[00:00] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Window moves are more CPU intensive, I guess
[00:00] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Lazy positioning doesn't move the window, it moves the texture. Only once you stop moving does it tell the window
[00:00] <Amaranth> So of course when using Xv overlay the video keeps getting drawn at the old place until you stop moving
[00:01] <Amaranth> with textured video (which we can use in hardy thanks to some intel hackery) we can move it along with the window
[00:01] <PriceChild> coolios
[00:02] <PriceChild> Amaranth, doing what you suggested is very, very artifacty... doesn't distort the window at all with wobbly for example, flickering etc.
[00:02] <PriceChild> doesn't distort video sorry
[00:02] <Amaranth> you're using overlay video, you can't transform it _at all_
[00:03] <Amaranth> it gets painted on to the screen in a completely separate step from everything else, compiz just sees a window with a blue background or whatever
[00:03] <PriceChild> yup
[00:06] <PriceChild> our favourite friend in -offtopic
[00:06] <PriceChild> well mine anyway
[00:17] <mneptok> PriceChild: hold me.
[00:20] <Gary> and me too :p
[00:24]  * PriceChild huggles mneptok and Gary 
[00:47] <Hobbsee> Pici: the way of "you need to not be an idiot to use this"?  yeah, i like that too :)
[00:48] <Pici> Hobbsee: I dont know what you're referring to (I had a very busy day at work), but I agree.
[00:49] <Hobbsee> Pici: comment on #ubuntu+1, liking it during the early alphas
[00:49] <Pici> Ah, definitely 
[00:59] <PriceChild> fuck earthquake
[01:03] <LjL> PriceChild: ?
[01:03] <LjL> in the UK?
[01:04] <Gary> not here in essex
[01:04] <PriceChild> that was weird
[01:04] <PriceChild> and yes LjL 
[01:06] <PriceChild> LjL, Gary http://geofon.gfz-potsdam.de/db/eqinfo.php
[01:06] <LjL> PriceChild: everything ok?
[01:06] <PriceChild> yup
[01:07] <Gary> awww, I did nto feel a thing here
[01:07] <PriceChild> 5.5 supposedly
[01:12] <LjL> i need to reboot, i cannot browse the web :|
[01:25] <LjL> i'm rebooting
[01:45] <LjL> PriceChild: http://www.inloughborough.com/news/2008/02/10547_earthquake.php
[01:45] <LjL> eek
[01:45] <LjL> i wronged my crontab
[01:47] <PriceChild> Is launchpad working for others?
[01:47] <LjL> PriceChild: yes
[01:50] <PriceChild> Hmm I think there's just something wrong with my internet connection.
[01:50] <LjL> PriceChild: it's shaken
[01:50] <PriceChild> :)
[01:51] <PriceChild> ff2 to the rescue, silly ff3
[02:10] <LjL> PriceChild: i'm reminded of the, uhm, one of two earthquakes i rememeber experiencing
[02:11] <LjL> PriceChild: was in my alps home with my parents, watching Apollo 13
[02:11] <PriceChild> lol
[02:11] <LjL> PriceChild: *precisely* at the time the rocket was launching, i remember thinking, wow, how can this 14" thing have such stunning audio
[02:11] <LjL> then i noticed my parents grabbed the table, and i thought, oh, earthquake
[02:12] <PriceChild> :)0
[02:27] <mneptok> last earhtquake i was in threw me 2 feet into the air
[02:28] <LjL> you jumped?
[02:28] <no0tic> mneptok, where were you?
[02:28] <mneptok> no0tic: Portland, OR USA
[02:29] <mneptok> brick building with wood floors. shook like a Bond martini.
[02:29] <no0tic> mneptok, mount helens?
[02:29] <no0tic> *st.helens
[02:30] <no0tic> may 18, 1980?
[02:31] <mneptok> no0tic: no, i was in high school in New York then
[02:31] <mneptok> this was ... 2000? 2001?
[03:14] <emma> Hello are there any ops here?
[03:14] <Pici> Always.
[03:15] <emma> Cool. An ubuntu-op has joined my channel, made some terse comments, seemed hostile when I asked what brought him in there, and then has gone silent.  
[03:15] <emma> He also made some strange comments about not having any signs that ask people not to commercially log. 
[03:16] <emma> If this person does not respond, and I am worried that he is logging in my channel, and I kick him, will I ask him to leave, will I suffer some kind of retaliation in the #ubuntu channels?
[03:20] <emma> sorry my last post had a typo: 
[03:20] <emma> If the ubuntu op that joined my channel but isn't responding to me, is logging my channel and I ask him to leave, will I suffer some kind of retaliation in the #ubuntu channels?
[03:20] <mneptok> emma: ## channels are not official. you are free to do with them what you please, without fear of it affecting your ability to /join official channels.
[03:21] <mneptok> emma: of course, your demeanor may affect how others perceive you. being polite and asking someone to leave before kicking/banning them is good netiquette.
[03:21] <emma> mneptok - That's extremely refreshing. I'm tremendously glad to hear something that renews some faith in this whole establishment.
[03:22] <emma> I have no intention of kicking or banning anyone. That was a typo. And I don't even plan on asking the person to leave. I just feel unnerved when an Ubuntu op comes in, makes some terse statements about logging and then goes silent. 
[03:22] <mneptok> emma: of course, overt netiquette abuses (e.g. discussing DDoS attacks) in *any* channel will have repercussions.
[03:22] <emma> Where did that come from? 
[03:22] <mneptok> just being thorough
[03:23] <emma> That kind of thing is strange, honestly.
[03:23] <mneptok> what kind of thing?
[03:23] <emma> You guys remind me of the police some times the way you could solve so many more problems if you weren't over doing it and creating them in the first place.
[03:24] <mneptok> am i Sting or Andy Summers?
[03:24] <Pici> mneptok: +1
[03:24] <emma> I am not a difficult person to get along with. I have to think that a lot of you, as tech type people who support open source, at some level might even share my philosophy when it comes to free speech and related ideas.
[03:25] <emma> Things don't have to be so antagonistic but when you start reading people the riot act and pushing them around, even the perception of that, you force a reaction.
[03:25] <emma> Why am I telling you this? To be helpful actually. 
[03:26] <mneptok> i thought it was to confuse the living fark out of us.
[03:26] <emma> I could actually name several Ubuntu ops who are models of dealing with people. 
[03:26] <emma> But I can't say that about all of you, and certainly I realize that's true about any group of human beings.
[03:27] <emma> For my part, I am happy to hear this: <mneptok> emma: ## channels are not official. you are free to do with them what you please, without fear of it affecting your ability to /join official channels.
[03:27] <emma> I didn't even name this op who is sitting in my channel. Why? Because I am not trying to start some kind of trouble for him. 
[03:28] <emma> But you can certainly imagine it is unnerving if an Ubuntu op shows up, hardly says a word, is short with you when you ask what brought them here, makes some ambiguous comments about logging, and then refuses to say another word.
[03:29] <jdong> emma: I don't want to get myself involved with this discussion, but many of the ubuntu ops have to deal with a great deal of network abuse, and it's only natural that over time their statements could come across as terse to those not experienced with dealing with so many channels and users
[03:29] <jdong> emma: I've only partly read the scrollback, but it sounds like this issue being taken out of proportion
[03:29] <mneptok> probably as unnerving as a user that consistently /joins the ops channel and makes poorly veiled insults to volunteer staff.
[03:29] <Pici> jdong: well put, I was trying to come up with a way to say that.  It has been a long day :/
[03:30] <Pici> mneptok: And thanks, now I'm listening to The Police.
[03:30] <emma> mneptok --- I don't think I make insults to staff.
[03:30] <mneptok> emma: and that's a problem.
[03:30] <emma> I think that this is becoming some kind of antagonistic relationship. I would like to cut that off before it get's bad.
[03:31] <mneptok>  /part is an easy 5 keystrokes away
[03:32] <emma> I'm not talking about this particular exchange. I'm talking about the over all course of things. 
[03:32] <jdong> emma: is the op that entered your channel available right now? I think the best course of action at this point is to seek clarification from him/her as to the statement made in your channel?
[03:39] <emma> How should I interpret having an Ubuntu op sitting in my channel, not responding to me? 
[03:39] <emma> My preliminary interpretation is that I have become a target because I've been outspoken about my opinions concerning free speech and privacy. 
[03:40] <jdong> emma: there's no need to feel so paranoid
[03:40] <jdong> emma: he's most likely there just watching out for network abuse, or forgot to log out. Many of these operators are in hundreds of channels simultaneously
[03:40] <jdong> there's no reason to believe you're the target of some sort of logging or monitoring operation
[03:41] <nalioth> jdong: #ubuntu operator
[03:41] <nalioth> jdong: not me or my peers
[03:42] <jdong> ah ok
[03:42] <emma> Now another ubuntu op joined the channel
[03:43] <jdong> is there any particular reason you feel that Ubuntu ops are not welcome in your channel?
[03:43] <mneptok> emma: and i parted
[03:44] <emma> None at all. I'm serious about being an advocate of freedom. I'm not going to push anyone around, ubuntu op or not.
[03:44] <mneptok> emma: if you don;t want me /join'ing, ban me or set the channel +i
[03:44] <emma> mneptok - I would never do that. 
[03:44] <emma> Frankly I'm honored if an op actually came there to chill
[03:44] <nalioth> emma: then don't worry about it  :)
[03:46] <emma> Okay well, I hope we are all on a friendly note then. 
[03:48] <jdong> I hope so too, we're all on the same side
[03:49] <mneptok> which sucks, as the locker room gets *really* crowded.
[03:49] <emma> Okay that's great. 
[03:49] <emma> :)
[03:50] <emma> I just want to tell everyone in #ubuntu-ops then that you are all welcome to join my unofficial ubuntu channel.  It's a channel for people who love Ubuntu and also love Freedom. 
[03:52] <emma> I have a policy of no public logging in my channel. But as long as none of you do that, you will never have anyone trying to control you there. 
[03:56] <mneptok> the unstated implication being that anyone not on that channel does not love freedom.
[05:14] <htns> Hi
[05:14] <htns> Can somebody unban me from #ubuntu?
[05:14] <htns> I really need some real-time help
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[05:15] <htns> What?
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> nvm
[05:15] <tonyyarusso> it helps if the server is up...
[05:15] <htns> Are you talking to me?
[05:15] <nalioth> htns: why are you banned?
[05:16] <htns> nalioth: Well it was a long time ago.
[05:16] <htns> Had an argument with some guy in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:16] <nalioth> ah
[05:16] <htns> And he banned me from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:16] <htns> ;_;
[05:17] <tonyyarusso> I'm guessing I was involved - trying to find out how.
[05:18] <nalioth> i'm afraid it wasn't that long ago
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> okay, bantracker just fails entirely
[05:20] <htns> So can I be unbanned?
[05:20] <htns> I mean either way, I'll be getting into #ubuntu
[05:21] <htns> I can always reset my IP by spoofing my MAC address on my router
[05:21] <htns> So...
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> aaaaaaaand there goes any hopes you had.
[05:21] <htns> Actually
[05:21] <htns> I was just kidding
[05:21] <nickrud> hah. htns that was pretty stupid.
[05:21] <htns> no seriously
[05:21] <htns> you cant really do that can you?
[05:21] <htns> :3
[05:22] <nickrud> htns: ban evasion is grounds for banning from freenode completely, the staff take it very seriously
[05:22] <htns> Oh....
[05:23] <htns> seriously though
[05:23] <htns> what do I have to do
[05:23] <htns> to get back into #ubuntu
[05:23] <htns> how long do I have to wait?!
[05:23] <tonyyarusso> Find LjL 
[05:23] <nickrud> htns: I suggest you take your issue to the forums for now. 
[06:25] <Hobbsee> mneptok: hah.  that was me.  oddly enough, she ignored the "away" status
[06:27] <Hobbsee> jdong: or we run a proxy
[06:27] <Hobbsee> so are connected 24/7
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: through where?
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> I'd love a more reliable always-on than my home connection...
[06:28] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: through a server i have in a californian data center.
[06:28] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: so would i, but dreamhost won't install all the perl modules i need
[06:28] <Myrtti> you folks need something like Kapsi here in Finland
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: such as?
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: ah.
[06:29] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: all the perl modules i need to run all my 744t scripz
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: does DH's TOS allow idle irssi sessions?  I know bots are a no-no
[06:29] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: afaik, no
[06:29] <Myrtti> a non-profit organisation that has the yearly membership fee of 30e and with that you get 1G space, mysql, two servers with another one eggdrop rights, bitlbee...
[06:29] <Myrtti> nameservers...
[06:30] <Myrtti> mail
[06:30] <Myrtti> of course irssi too
[06:30] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: not bad
[06:31] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: they do
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: Really?  Nifty.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> oh neat, i didn't realise
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> Now I just need them to okay a supybot and I'd be happy.  Doubt that's going to happen though.
[06:35] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: dreamhost? hell no
[07:11] <Myrtti> htns is querying me
[07:11] <Myrtti> should I bring him here?
[07:14] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso: opinions?
[07:15] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: only if you think it would actually be useful?
[07:15] <Myrtti> not really
[07:15] <Myrtti> I just don't know what to tell him
[07:15] <Myrtti> a week?
[07:16] <Myrtti> a week.
[09:24] <icesword> hi
[09:25] <icesword> i find www.ubuntu.org.cn is responding slowly
[09:26] <elkbuntu> this isnt the place to discuss the websites, sorry.
[09:26] <icesword> but i do notice they enable telnet service
[09:27] <elkbuntu> !cn
[09:27] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[09:27] <elkbuntu> see the first of those for issues with chinese services
[09:27] <icesword> okay
[10:11] <leoquant> hi i have got a cloak/hostmask, but iam not on: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-cloaks  how come?
[11:19] <andyp_> hello i was banned some months ago from ubuntu for saying a command line by mistake i think i was bliss_ nick at that time my IP is    [80.195.177.165]  can you please consider  lifting the ban?
[11:20] <andyp_> a command line command
[14:43] <LjL> i'm leaving for some days. as usual, seveas should be able to login to the bots machine if required, or just kick
[14:43] <Pici> LjL: Okay, taking a vacation?
[14:44] <LjL> yeah, going to my alps home to ski a little
[14:44] <Pici> Sounds like fun
[14:44] <jpatrick> LjL: have fun!
[14:44] <LjL> i'll be on irc anyway, just little less than usual
[14:45] <LjL> and can't access my server so
[14:46] <Pici> :)
[15:06] <Seeker`> have fun LjL 
[15:42] <jpatrick> !staff | < By_Turkey> - porn spam
[15:42] <Pici> n=TR@88.237.2.188
[15:42] <jpatrick> ubotu: live!!
[15:42] <Pici> !staff
[15:42] <Pici> !ping
[15:43] <jpatrick> !comeback
[15:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about live!! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:43] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[15:43] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[15:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about comeback - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:43] <jpatrick> poor thing
[15:45] <PriceChild> Hmmm leoquant saying he's not in the ubuntu-irc-cloaks team...
[15:45] <PriceChild> i'm sure i added him
[15:46] <PriceChild> fixed
[15:46] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, bod_ said: !gq is Your question fails to put your point accross and could easily be misinterperated, to learn how to ask 'good' questions please visit http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[15:48] <jpatrick> bod_: no idea, mate, just have to wait
[15:49] <bod_> ok,.cheers
[16:02] <nalioth> y'all go ahead and ban my_turkey (if ya aint already)
[16:04] <jpatrick> jrib did
[16:07] <nalioth> did anyone else get forged spam from themselves@ubuntu.com ?
[16:07] <jpatrick> yep, @ubuntu.com addresses get hit by loads of spam
[16:08] <no0tic> I'll take a look
[16:09] <nalioth> jpatrick: no
[16:09] <no0tic> no spam from there
[16:09] <nalioth> this was forged to appear to be _from_ me
[16:09] <nalioth> who would i send the raw email to for suitable blockage?
[16:20] <jpatrick> the guy's ISP?
[16:20] <Pici> Check the abuse contact on the ISP's whois
[16:20] <PriceChild> nalioth, yeah i've had some in the past
[16:20] <PriceChild> also had stuff from other existing ubuntu members
[16:21] <jussi01> Isnt elmo responsible for that sort of thing?
[16:22] <PriceChild> jussi01, responsible for which?
[16:22] <jussi01> @ubuntu addresses
[16:23] <PriceChild> jussi01, you could send from billgates@ubuntu.com if you wanted...
[16:23] <jussi01> PriceChild: aye, I misread... sorry
[16:24] <jussi01> PriceChild: I read themselves@ubuntu.com was sending spam... (as if themselves was the user) :P
[16:24] <jpatrick> PriceChild: do we have mr gates cloaked?
[16:26] <nalioth> jussi01: yes, i got a spam from [my name]@ubuntu.com
[16:29] <jpatrick> anon32 is banned from #kubuntu, yet he has just joined recently..
[16:31] <jdong> billgates has a launchpad account? :D
[16:31] <jpatrick> ah, no, the bantrack meant /kick and the ban has been removed..
[16:44] <PriceChild> Strange one in #ubuntu-unregged, "Aranel" cannot join #ubuntu, just gets forwared to unregged. Can anyone figure it out? :)
[16:45] <Pici> I'm guessing some sort of server sync issue
[16:50] <jpatrick> #ubuntu:+JLcfnt 2,5 #ubuntu-unregged ?
[16:50] <jpatrick> too many joins and thus forwarded?
[16:51] <PriceChild> can't be
[16:51] <Pici> Its just this person
[16:51] <PriceChild> it happened when we were -J
[16:51] <PriceChild> Could someone else humour me and check the banlist?
[16:53] <Pici> I dont see anything.
[16:54] <jpatrick> me neither
[16:59] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[17:01] <no0tic> probably an IP ban?
[17:01] <PriceChild> it could be
[17:01] <PriceChild> but why would that forward to -unregged?
[17:01] <PriceChild> and I don't think it is in keeping with the forwarding message either
[17:02]  * jpatrick is starting to dislike people from *.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com
[17:02] <PriceChild> :/
[17:02] <Pici> Can someone try connecting directly to kubrick?
[17:02] <PriceChild> Pici, i did earleir
[17:02] <Pici> aranel is registered and ID'd
[17:03] <Seeker`> jpatrick: why?
[17:04] <jpatrick> Seeker`: cos loads of trolls I've had to deal with come from there appartently
[17:06] <PriceChild> Erm... his forwarding message doesn't quite match up with a message I get? Its missing a : ?
[17:06] <PriceChild> guessing its just client formatting?
[17:06] <PriceChild> #ubuntu-ops #ubuntu-unregged :Forwarding to another channel
[17:06] <PriceChild> #ubuntu #ubuntu-unregged Forwarding to another channel
[17:07] <Pici> I got it.
[17:08] <PriceChild> What is it? :)
[17:08] <Pici> Ip ban.
[17:08] <Pici> *!*@88.232.*!#ubuntu-unregged 
[17:08] <PriceChild> hehe I told you to check the banlist again
[17:08] <PriceChild> lets blame jpatrick 
[17:08] <Pici> It was nalioth though
[17:09] <jpatrick> PriceChild: I didn't know his IP
[17:09] <PriceChild> :P
[17:09] <Pici> grep 88.232 on my logs gave me aranel, amongst others.
[17:09] <PriceChild> I tried grepping for that but never found anything :(
[17:10] <PriceChild> Well done Pici.
[17:10] <Pici> Thanks :)
[17:18] <bod_> any news on my factoid request !gq    ??
[17:21] <PriceChild> i'm pretty sure we have one similar *searches*
[17:22] <bod_> thanks
[17:30] <Pricey> Hmm I didn't mean to do that.
[17:38] <Pricey> grrr didn't mean to do that... *smacks screen*
[17:57] <bod_> PriceChild, any joy on the similar factoid search?
[17:58] <PriceChild> ah sorry forgot about that, didn't find one myself, must have been imagining it :)
[17:59] <bod_> ;~) ok,.,.well im off now, but if you do find the similar one, could i please request that the link in my suggestion be added to it,.thanks
[18:44] <ompaul> how generous of Chanserv
[18:46] <Seeker`> ompaul: I thought I was special when I got one, but it seems that chanserv gives them to almost anyone :(
[18:50] <Pici> Nah, we have a few boarders in here without them
[18:51] <Seeker`> Pici: About 80% of the channel atm has them though
[18:55] <Gary> thats how it is supposed to be isn't it?
[19:02] <ompaul>  /cs k Gary some with some without expect no mercy!
[19:02] <Gary> merci
[19:10] <ompaul> ;-)
[20:39] <jpatrick> LjL-Mobile: skiing and ircing? Cool
[20:40] <LjL-Mobile> Jpatrick: heh not *so* mobile
[20:41] <Seeker`> LjL-Mobile: Watch out for that tree!
[20:42] <LjL-Mobile> i avoid trees
[20:42] <LjL-Mobile> what i have i history of not avoiding is chairlifts
[20:42] <Seveas> Happy Tree LjLs
[20:42] <Seeker`> LjL-Mobile: How many chairlifts have you hit?
[20:43] <Seveas> Seeker`, half a dozen
[20:43] <Seveas> could be more by now
[20:43] <Seeker`> ouch, doesn't it hurt?
[20:44] <LjL-Mobile> I haven't skid yet now :s but yes chairlifts on the head hurt
[21:18] <ph0rensic> Is saying crap a swear word? and if so why would some dude single me out for saying it and not others? I don't want to be a jerk in the channel but i guess the person is too cowardly to pm me to talk about it
[21:19] <PriceChild> ph0rensic, would you say it to my grandmother?
[21:19] <ph0rensic> I don't know your grandmother.. I would say it to mine!
[21:19] <PriceChild> ph0rensic, would you say it to my grandmother?
[21:20] <ph0rensic> it really depends on the situation... would you single one person out of a group who is doing something "wrong" and let everyone else have at it?
[21:21] <PriceChild> You're meeting her for the first time tomorrow, she's such a lovely lady. Would you say 'crap' to her?
[21:21] <PriceChild> Lets forget everyone else and just talk about you for now.
[21:22] <ph0rensic> Wow thats a very easy way to minimize the circumstances
[21:22] <nalioth> ph0rensic: please answer the questoin
[21:23] <PriceChild> ph0rensic, other people's actions do not ever excuse your own. In my opinion its similar to a child in a classroom. If you think someone else is doing something wrong, then do something about it, don't copy it.
[21:23] <ph0rensic> It all depends on where the conversation leads, possibly yes i may
[21:23] <PriceChild> Is that a 'yes' you would say crap to my dear old grandmother?
[21:23] <PriceChild> What about my very impressionable 3 year old child?
[21:24] <PriceChild> gah typo... 5 yo
[21:25] <LjL-Mobile> is there such thing as an impressionable 5 years old?
[21:25] <ompaul> bottom line looking for barriers to slide up against is annoying for others to deal with and thus the use and overall context can be noted and tic when the analysis is done and then the original judgement found to be sound 
[21:25] <ompaul> tic taken into consideration
[21:27] <ph0rensic> PriceChild, to spare us all from a tortuous theoretical debate.. I'll just resign and refrain from using such abrasive and vulgar terms such as c#@p
[21:27] <nickrud> wow ompaul you must write for academic publication ;)
[21:27] <ph0rensic> Thank you for your consideration
[21:27] <ph0rensic> sup nickrud 
[21:28] <PriceChild> ph0rensic, I haven't stated my opinion on it at all. It is probably best that you don't use that word if you believe others may have problems with it.
[21:28] <ompaul> nickrud, only on Fridays - telling the waters this evening
[21:28] <nickrud> ph0rensic: not much. Just passing through. Coffee break. (I wouldn't say crap to PriceChild 's grandmother, myself. I wanna live)
[21:29]  * nickrud rubs his buttocks
[21:30] <ph0rensic> well that certainly is something to consider... I haven't a clue if Pricechild is a known member of the Hells Angels or other notorious organized crime establishment. 
[21:31] <ompaul> so is there anything else?
[21:31] <ph0rensic> But if I met his grandmother and said it, she would most likely politely ask me to express myself in a different manner and I would respect her wishes. 
[21:31] <nalioth> ph0rensic: our point is: why should she even have to ask?
[21:31] <nalioth> why should anyone?
[21:32] <nalioth> courtesy costs nothing
[21:32] <elkbuntu> especially when you're wanting assistance from the person you're communicating with or about
[21:32] <elkbuntu> courtesy saves you time in such situations
[21:32] <ph0rensic> elkbuntu, usually Im on here to offer my assistance, anything that I believe I can help with
[21:32] <PriceChild> Hey andyp_, how can I help?
[21:33] <andyp_> yes please
[21:33] <elkbuntu> ph0rensic, then why are you here debating about a word instead of helping?
[21:33] <ompaul> ph0rensic, the fact that someone uses it on one person they may give up on the next person 
[21:33] <ph0rensic> nalioth, but courtesy is a matter of mind, one persons vision of courtesy can be percieved as fowl insults to another
[21:34] <nalioth> ph0rensic: i doubt it.
[21:34] <elkbuntu> ph0rensic, you're now wasting our time
[21:34]  * PriceChild wonders if ph0rensic came to talk about whether the word is allowed, or complain about how he was treated.
[21:34] <ph0rensic> nalioth, I'll give you an example.. would you think it is ok to offer your hand when you meet someone (to shake it)
[21:34] <elkbuntu> andyp_, please, ignore this other conversation and state how we can help
[21:34] <andyp_> About 2/3 months ago i said a command line command in ubuntu by mistake i was banned can you please reseting my ip please i think i was a diffrent nick then but same ip address
[21:35] <PriceChild> andyp_, little over 1 month.
[21:35] <andyp_> was it not sure
[21:36] <PriceChild> andyp_, 23rd jan. It didn't seem like a mistake either... "to get rid of everything rm -rf /* as root"
[21:36] <PriceChild> andyp_, that's seconds after joining the channel.
[21:36] <andyp_> well ok i am sorry
[21:36] <nalioth> ph0rensic: did you have anything further?
[21:36] <andyp_> no i was a diffrent nick for a long time ompaul knoews me
[21:36] <PriceChild> andyp_, If you're not going to contest my suggestion there, it seems the only thing you were right about, was the different nick.
[21:37]  * ompaul wonders what the other nick was
[21:37] <ompaul> cyx?
[21:37]  * ompaul wonders
[21:37] <PriceChild> ompaul, bliss
[21:37] <andyp_> ompaul bliss_
[21:37] <andyp_> ompaul; evening
[21:37] <ompaul> night more like 
[21:38] <ompaul> hehe
[21:38] <andyp_> ok noght
[21:38] <andyp_> night
[21:38] <ompaul> back in a mo
[21:38] <elkbuntu> ph0rensic, thanks for discontinuing the pointless discussion. you have no further need to be here.
[21:39] <andyp_> ompaul" you still have a beard i seem to remember in the skype picture you have one
[21:40] <ompaul> andyp_, it is a looooooobnnnnnng time since (A) I used skype and (B) had a beard
[21:40] <nalioth> now he's got a knee-length face carpet
[21:40]  * nalioth runs
[21:40] <andyp_> ompaul: ok six months maybe a yesr
[21:40] <andyp_> year
[21:41] <ompaul> andyp_, I have not had a beard for 2 years
[21:41] <LjL-Mobile> ompaul is trying to get a distance to rms
[21:41] <andyp_> last time we spoke your skype pic you had a beard
[21:42] <andyp_> PriceChild: i promise to be good
[21:42] <ompaul> I don't know when I last had skype with a picture let alone skype that worked
[21:42] <ompaul> then I got religion
[21:42] <PriceChild> andyp_, pardon?
[21:43] <LjL-Mobile> andyp_: i'd like to know what you had in mind when you posted that command
[21:43] <andyp_> ompaul: you told me to buy so headphones which i did but we never spoke but chatted
[21:43] <ompaul> that is going back a long time
[21:43] <ompaul> now I have some vague recollection 
[21:44] <ompaul> andyp_, however LjL and PriceChild way out rank me in terms of the current issue /me is just a helper more or less
[21:44] <andyp_> ompaul_ think it was breezy badgeri was a new ubuntu then 
[21:44] <ompaul> and I strongly suggest you deal with them on this what I would call serious matter
[21:45] <andyp_> look a am have said it for some silly reason which is not me all we sometimes make mistakes as i did
[21:46] <LjL-Mobile> one thing is a mistake, another is something deliberate. What did you have in mind?
[21:46] <PriceChild> What kind of mistake are we talking about here?
[21:47] <PriceChild> mistake == copy paste in wrong channel? mistake == decided it would be funny to wipe user data?
[21:47] <andyp_> Ljl.Mobile: yes it was uncalled for
[21:48] <LjL-Mobile> andyp_: i think so, but what did you have in mind
[21:49] <andyp_> PriceChild: i am not sure I think it was to get rid of everyting with one command silly really
[21:49] <LjL-Mobile> yes that's what it does, but why did you post it
[21:50] <PriceChild> Not sure you understood the question.
[21:50] <andyp_> ok i relly can't remember 
[21:50] <PriceChild> both questions are basically about the same thing.
[21:51] <andyp_> do you have the log?
[21:51] <andyp_> really
[21:51] <PriceChild> http://pastebin.ca/921213
[21:52] <andyp_> look this is a serious matter and yes i was wrong but i am sorry
[21:52] <PriceChild> you've said that several times already
[21:53] <PriceChild> Please answer LjL's question, why did you do it? What was in your mind?
[21:53] <andyp_> pk i must not say anything more then 
[21:53] <LjL-Mobile> andyp_: is it possible that you posted the command in order for people to run it, somehow finding the result of that funny?
[21:53] <andyp_> no not that
[21:54] <PriceChild> So then what?
[21:54] <andyp_> iit was near christmas i had to much at the christmas party on that day
[21:54] <PriceChild> late january
[21:54] <PriceChild> just answer the question please :/
[21:56] <andyp_> i was on a on a imac with triple boot and loop-aes problems 
[21:56] <PriceChild> andyp_, the ban will not be lifted at this time.
[21:57] <PriceChild> andyp_, i suggest you go away and think about why you did what you did. You should think about what you need to change about yourself so that you don't do it again. You should then come back to us some time to discuss it.
[21:58] <andyp_> thankyou but i will just come back when your ready
[21:59] <PriceChild> We don't want to ban people in #ubuntu. We would have been more than willing to unban you today. Next time please don't dodge questions, and be straight about it.
[22:00] <LjL-Mobile> Come back when you can answer a direct question and do it honestly :)
[22:00] <andyp_> not sure what you want me to say i suppose
[22:01] <nalioth> andyp_: "au revoir" or "asta luego" would be ok  (maybe 'sayonara' would work, too)
[22:02] <andyp_> ok bye new ip i suppose
[22:02] <PriceChild> andyp_, stop
[22:02] <ompaul> wooooooo
[22:02] <ompaul> there is die die
[22:02] <PriceChild> if he hasn't managed a new ip in the past month...
[22:39] <ubotu> In ubotu, elky_work said: lolops is the lolops r in ur chanelz, wotchin u mizbehav
[22:40] <ubotu> In ubotu, elky_work said: lolops is <reply>Teh lolops r in ur chanelz, wotchin u mizbehav
[22:41] <ompaul> hehehehehe
[22:41] <ompaul> bod_, how can we help you?
[22:41] <LjL-Mobile> We're in your chan bannin your ass
[22:41] <LjL-Mobile> whoops didn't see join
[22:42] <ompaul> been there a while
[22:42] <mneptok> *assban*
[22:43] <ompaul> !lolops
[22:43] <ubotu> Teh lolops r in ur chanelz, wotchin u mizbehav
[22:43] <ompaul> hmm
[22:43] <ompaul> !botabuse
[22:43] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[22:43] <ompaul> !opabuse
[22:43] <ubotu> Leave the ops alone!
[22:43] <ompaul> bod_, ehh is there anything we can do to help you?
[22:45] <PriceChild> ompaul, gah this is the factoid
[22:45] <PriceChild> ompaul, you make the decision :)
[22:45] <ompaul> I didz
 In #ubuntu, bod_ said: !gq is Your question fails to put your point accross and could easily be misinterperated, to learn how to ask 'good' questions please visit http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[22:46] <ompaul> ahhhhh
[22:46] <ompaul> PriceChild, it would need the word Please in there more than once
[22:46] <ompaul> PriceChild, I edit
[22:46] <Seveas> !lolops | ompaul
[22:46] <ubotu> ompaul: Teh lolops r in ur chanelz, wotchin u mizbehav
[22:47] <Seveas> /cs k ompaul Teh lolops r in ur chanelz, kickn yur azz
[22:49] <ompaul> !gq is <reply> Please be aware your question and could easily be misunderstood, please check this, to understand how to ask 'good' questions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html  Cheers!
[22:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, ompaul
[22:49]  * ompaul now hands to the master
[22:49] <ompaul> Pici, ^^ ideas on improving that please
[22:56] <bod_> sorry guys, was afk,.,.just a quick thing on the !gq that ompaul did,.,.it reads "Please be aware your question and could easily be misunderstood" (which doesnt make sense it should read "Please be aware your question fails to put your point accross and could easily be misunderstood
[23:23] <bod_> anyone alive?
[23:24] <LjL-Mobile> yes but i can't change bot facts right now
[23:24] <bod_> damn,.,.ok, ta
[23:29] <mneptok> !gq
[23:29] <ubotu> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood, please check this, to understand how to ask 'good' questions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html  Cheers!
[23:29] <bod_> cheers guys,.,.wow, my factoid!!!!!!
[23:34] <Seeker`> Should there be a full stop between misunderstood and please
[23:34] <bod_> !gq
[23:34] <ubotu> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood, please check this, to understand how to ask 'good' questions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html  Cheers!
[23:35] <bod_> its a comma
[23:35] <bod_> seeker ^^
[23:35] <Seeker`> I know there is a comma ther atm, but it doesn't sound quite right as I ma reading it
[23:36] <bod_> please check this, to understand               that comma needs to be removed
[23:37] <Seeker`>  Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHtlpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:38] <Seeker`> That sounds better IMP
[23:38] <Seeker`> *IMO
[23:38] <Seeker`> gah, my typing is rubbish tonight
[23:38] <bod_> i agree it is better
[23:38] <bod_> thanks
[23:39] <Seeker`> Now, is anyone able to change it?
[23:39] <bod_> i thought only priviliged ops could edit factoids?
[23:40] <Seeker`> bod_: that is correct. I was wondering if any of them are around,
[23:40] <bod_> oh, you havent changed it,.,.
[23:41] <bod_> mneptok, are you still about?
[23:41] <Seeker`> bod_: They dont let me play with the bots
[23:41] <bod_> Seeker`, theres probably a good reason for that ;~)
[23:44] <LjL-Mobile> i'm on a cellphone, don't ask me to find out how to copypaste :p
[23:45] <Seeker`> LjL-Mobile: Who else can edit the factoids?
[23:46] <bod_> LjL-Mobile, what? can anyone edit it
[23:46] <Seeker`> bod_: They let LjL play with the bots
[23:46] <bod_> thats because he's got a 3 letter name and bot is 3 letters,.,.see simple
[23:47] <Seeker`> Not sure it works like that, how do you explain ompaul
[23:47] <bod_> !ompaul
[23:47] <ubotu> ompaul is well ompaul, don't get me started about that guy
[23:47] <bod_> like that
[23:47] <LjL-Mobile> seeker`: a few people. I'll poke one about it when one is around
[23:47] <bod_> LjL-Mobile, cheers
[23:47] <Seeker`> LjL-Mobile: cool.
[23:48] <bod_> my internet will be cut off in the next 10-20 mins ,.,.just a heads up
[23:50] <LjL-Temp> ok paste the factoid again please
[23:51] <bod_> !gq
[23:51] <ubotu> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood, please check this, to understand how to ask 'good' questions: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html  Cheers!
[23:51] <bod_> needs to read
[23:51] <LjL-Temp> %whoami
[23:51] <bod_> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHtlpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:52] <LjL-Temp> !goodquestion is <reply> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHtlpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:52] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL-Temp
[23:52] <LjL-Temp> !no gq is <alias> goodquestion
[23:52] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL-Temp
[23:52] <Seeker`> ah, there is a typo in the URL
[23:53] <bod_> url needs to be     http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[23:53] <Seeker`>  !goodquestion is <reply> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said:  !goodquestion is <reply> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:53] <bod_> wicked
[23:53] <LjL-Temp> !no goodquestion is <reply> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[23:53] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL-Temp
[23:54] <bod_> yep,.all seems to work ,.,.cheers
[23:55] <bod_> LjL-Temp, thanks alot,.,.
[23:55] <LjL-Temp> welcome
[23:56] <LjL-Temp> i was missing a real keyboard anyway
[23:56] <Seeker`> LjL-Temp: How did you get hold of one?
[23:57] <LjL-Temp> Seeker`: i have a laptop, but dialup is pretty expensive for just idling around on irc (which GSM is pay-by-traffic so as long as y'all aren't oververbose :P)
[23:57] <LjL-Temp> s/which/while/
[23:58] <Seeker`> TLA FTW
[23:58] <bod_> TLA FTW?? please un abreviate for the less-knowledgeable
[23:59] <LjL-Temp> three letters acronyms for the win
[23:59] <bod_> thankin you