[00:25] <|Prometheus|> hi... can someone offer me a little help please.... Whenever I startup the system (Ie. After Xfce Starts) Gimp loads twice... its a low ram system, so this is slowing everything down... its not listed in autostarted apps
[00:25] <somerville32> |Prometheus|: It sounds like Gimp is saved in your session.
[00:26] <zoredache> deleting the ~/.cache/sessions may help
[00:26] <|Prometheus|> so i should clear ~/.cache/sessions?
[00:27] <|Prometheus|> ok - thank you :)
[00:41] <shad> heya...all, my prob is zombies how do i kill them, they show up when choosing an e-book to read in evince, the only way i have found is to reboot my pc. that just seems wrong to me
[00:59] <sprauekraut> does anyone know exactly what all gstreamer plugins/codecs i need to properly burn mp3s as audio cds using brasero?
[01:00] <shad> good luck getting an answer :/
[01:01] <shad> guess i'll go googling
[01:10] <ron_o> sprauekraut, I just get all the codecs you can..
[01:10] <ron_o> they don't hurt anything if you have more than you need.
[01:11] <ron_o> and you run your application in your terminal it's likely that if you're missing codec then it will say so in an error message.
[01:12] <sprauekraut> hmm, thats a good idea
[01:12] <ron_o> too bad you left shad.. I might have had a good suggestion for your issue. :/
[01:12] <sprauekraut> yeah i get one error message that isn't very helpful, it just says "<name of file> can't be handled by gstreamer, Make sure you have the proper codec installed"
[01:12] <sprauekraut> or something along those lines
[01:12] <sprauekraut> i found a bug that is very similar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/191183
[01:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191183 in brasero "Brasero won't create audio CDs from movie files" [Undecided,New]
[01:13] <ron_o> hmm. in synaptic search for codecs and gstreamer and download what's appropriate.
[01:13] <sprauekraut> k, i'll try it out
[01:13] <ron_o> that could be it too, re: bug
[01:13] <sprauekraut> im going to try runing brasero from command line and see what errors I get as well
[01:14] <sprauekraut> nothing from command-line
[01:14] <sprauekraut> ron_o: in response to "just search for codecs and gstreamer and download what's appropriate" you mean search for packages using apt?
[01:15] <ron_o> no, use synaptic.. never used it before?
[01:15] <ron_o> applications >> system >> synaptic
[01:15] <sprauekraut> oh yeah i have, its just slow slow, yeah i'll give it a whorl
[01:15] <ron_o> then your computer must be old.. sorry about that.
[01:16] <sprauekraut> haha yeah so am i
[01:16] <sprauekraut> without xubuntu, i'd be up the creek
[01:16] <ron_o> it's the best way to search for applications however.
[01:16] <ron_o> yah, xubuntu is great.
[01:17] <ron_o> I think if I had an old computer fluxubuntu might be better. However, it's very geeky window manager .. just a shade above command line. :_)
[01:18] <sprauekraut> yeah, i used to use fluxbox, but xfce is fine for me
[01:24] <sprauekraut> ron_o: just installed like a ton of gstreamer plugins
[01:24] <sprauekraut> ron_o: the "good" the "bad" and the "ugly" and it seems to work fine now
[01:24] <ron_o> help out?
[01:24] <ron_o> great... see?
[01:25] <sprauekraut> yessir thanmk you
[01:25] <ron_o> when in doubt just frigging add applications. :)
[01:25] <ron_o> or plugins or whatnot.
[01:25] <sprauekraut> haha, yeah, im always reluctant because of conflicts, but they're just plugins right?
[01:25] <ron_o> let's hope so. :)
[01:26] <ron_o> 'you oculd just uninstall them one by one and see how it goes.
[01:28] <sprauekraut> not a bad idea
[01:33] <sprauekraut> aha, now I'm experiencing this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/158185
[01:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158185 in brasero "brasero won't burn with gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 installed" [Medium,Fix released]
[09:34] <gynterk> When trying to add battery-plugin or mixer-plugin I get those errors: http://pastebin.com/d570de0c7, Installed packages: http://pastebin.com/d95a6e8a, Distro: xubuntu 7.10 (gutsy)
[09:34] <gynterk> plugins to xfce4-panel
[09:36] <gynterk> is xubuntu-desktop essential package for xubuntu ?
[09:36] <gynterk> or only contains changelog and copyright?
[09:55] <TheSheep> !meta | gynterk
[09:55] <ubotu> gynterk: If you would like to help in #*ubuntu* but it just goes too fast to spot interesting questions, try joining #ubuntu-meta and watching for questions there (note that it is NOT a support channel, however, and questions should still be answered in #*ubuntu*)
[09:55] <TheSheep> sorry
[09:55] <TheSheep> wrong factoid
[09:56] <TheSheep> !metapackage | gynterk
[09:56] <ubotu> gynterk: A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[10:02] <gynterk> ahh okay
[10:02] <gynterk> but this xfce problem ?'
[10:03] <TheSheep> gynterk: what is the problem?
[10:03] <gynterk> When trying to add battery-plugin or mixer-plugin I get those errors: http://pastebin.com/d570de0c7, Installed packages: http://pastebin.com/d95a6e8a, Distro: xubuntu 7.10 (gutsy)
[10:04] <TheSheep> looks like a bug
[10:04] <TheSheep> !bugs | gynterk
[10:04] <ubotu> gynterk: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[10:04] <gynterk> this is not a bug
[10:04] <gynterk> battery was working fine, but it just dissapeared
[10:04] <gynterk> I can't recall what package did I remove or what config did I change :P
[10:05] <TheSheep> gynterk: you can check in /var/log/dpkg.log
[10:08] <LeAstrale> paultags site: http://www.paultags.com/index.php?p=etc
[10:17] <JoshuaRL> anybody here?
[10:20] <LeAstrale> TheSheep: ty for removing ban :) i posted in the wrong irc channel
[10:21] <LeAstrale> JoshuaRL: :)
[10:21] <JoshuaRL> woot!
[10:21] <JoshuaRL> alright, im out before they realize im in KDE
[10:21] <JoshuaRL> oop!
[10:25] <TheSheep> LeAstrale: sorry, a little trigger-happy :/
[10:26] <LeAstrale> TheSheep: its alright.. i was just thinking wtf!?
[10:36] <LeAstrale> any1 in here have any ideas why my Netgear WG111v3 works with WiCD on Kubuntu and doesnt work on Xubuntu ?
[10:46] <LeAstrale> sry my kubuntu crashed.. did anyone answer my question earlier?
[10:51] <gynterk> any logs ?
[10:51] <LeAstrale> hmm
[10:51] <LeAstrale> which logs would you like ?
[10:52] <LeAstrale> wb gynterk ;)
[10:53] <gynterk> :)
[10:53] <gynterk> wifi wins
[10:54] <LeAstrale> gynterk: huh?
[10:54] <gynterk> but still
[11:08] <LeAstrale> adios amigos
[13:55] <mino> anyone now how to configure the ipv6 netmask in the interfaces, must i use Network/Prefix or only /Prefix ?
[13:55] <mino> s/now/know
[16:35] <jarnos> I can start volume.app to system tray by command "kstart --tosystray volume.app &" but I see at most half of its icon there. What's wrong?
[16:37] <TheSheep> jarnos: neither kstart not volume.app are a part of xubuntu
[16:37] <TheSheep> nor
[16:38] <jarnos> TheSheep: Well, they are available through repositories.
[16:38] <jarnos> TheSheep: The system tray is part of Xubuntu.
[16:39] <jarnos> TheSheep: Additionally, I cannot make Xfce's own Volume Control work in Xubuntu Cutsy in my PC for some reason.
[16:40] <jarnos> TheSheep: Additionally, Volume.App has handy way of muting & unmuting and more flexible way to adjust volume.
[16:41] <TheSheep> jarnos: neither can I. I can only say that many kde apps don't implement the system tray protocol properly, so they only work right in kde's system tray
[16:42] <jarnos> TheSheep: So you think kstart causes the problem.
[16:42] <jarnos> TheSheep: Is there equivalent utility for Xfce?
[16:42] <TheSheep> I cannot say without actually finding the bug :)
[16:42] <TheSheep> but Ive heard that it's often a problem
[16:44] <jarnos> BTW kstart let's you start applications minimized by its --iconify option.
[16:44] <TheSheep> figures
[16:45] <jarnos> Sad that it doesn't work well with all applications including Firefox.
[16:45] <TheSheep> kde is a separate world
[16:47] <maxamillion> kde is an interesting organism
[16:56] <jarnos> So is there some way to tell system tray to use more space for one icon. Remeber that actually Volume.app is a dockapp.
[16:56] <jarnos> That has bigger icon than the other apps have in my tray icon.
[16:57] <TheSheep> jarnos: I guess it's up to the application
[16:59] <jarnos> TheSheep: I guess so. Actually xchat 2.8.4 uses bigger icon. But how should the application tell system tray it needs more space?
[17:00] <jarnos> TheSheep:  If the Volume.app is launched on desktop, it shows full icon.
[17:00] <TheSheep> jarnos: I think the protocol is described on http://freedesktop.org
[17:00] <TheSheep> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/systemtray-spec
[17:05] <jarnos> TheSheep: Is there any way to get volume.app to system tray by Xfce's means?
[17:06] <TheSheep> jarnos: what happens when you just run it?
[17:07] <jarnos> TheSheep: It puts its icon to left-top of leftmost screen.
[17:08] <TheSheep> !info alltray
[17:08] <ubotu> alltray (source: alltray): Dock any program into the system tray. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.69-1 (gutsy), package size 57 kB, installed size 224 kB
[17:09] <TheSheep> not sure how it works
[17:18] <jarnos> TheSheep: I tried it and couldn't get volume.app to tray.
[17:35] <jarnos> TheSheep: In the specification they say "Tray icons may be assigned any size by the system tray, and should do their best to cope with any size effectively."
[17:37] <jarnos> TheSheep: Does it mean that system tray should try to zoom tray icons? Volume.app is not just static icon as it changes according to volume adjustment.
[17:37] <jarnos> TheSheep: The size remains unchanged, thought,
[17:37] <jarnos> TheSheep: though
[17:37] <jarnos> TheSheep: .
[17:44] <TheSheep> jarnos: I'm not an expert with it, all I know I've heard on #xfce channel
[17:46] <jarnos> TheSheep: I see. Thanks anyway for the hints.
[17:54] <arrrghhh> hey all.  i have a strange issue with the panel disappearing and the plugins on the panel acting wonky.  believe it or not, it seems to be related to games... freecell was left running, and i've seen several other posts that say they were playing freecell when they had the issue
[19:56] <Jowi> hi, how can I set up a "keyboard" shortcut that is triggered by a mousebutton?
[19:57] <Jowi> for example launching an xterm when button8 on the mouse is pressed
[19:58] <daRu> hey...
[19:59] <daRu> does any1 know the password for the xubuntu live cd?
[19:59] <zoredache_> daRu: there is no password
[19:59] <daRu> ok
[20:00] <daRu> i have tried to install xubuntu from a live cd..
[20:00] <daRu> and it showed the login screen
[20:00] <daRu> the 7.10 gutsy
[20:00] <zoredache_> are you sure you are booted to your cd?
[20:00] <daRu> yes
[20:00] <daRu> it takes a very long time
[20:01] <daRu> it is an old laptop
[20:01] <zoredache> have you tried a username of 'ubuntu' with a password of 'ubuntu'?
[20:02] <daRu> yes
[20:02] <daRu> but didnt work
[20:02] <daRu> every time i reboot there is a different result
[20:02] <daRu> once i got to the login screen
[20:03] <daRu> then i saw the xcfe logo
[20:03] <zoredache> hrm... unfortunatly I am not very familar with the livecd... I strongly prefer using the alternate-installer cd
[20:03] <daRu> and now its just a blank screen
[20:03] <zoredache> It has always been far more reliable in my experience... plus it is a lot faster and gives me more control
[20:03] <chewit> quick question. I have recently switched from Ubuntu to Xubuntu by using synaptic. I have completly cleared ubuntu out. However, i still have a few gnome apps running in the background. Is this normal for a standard xubuntu pc?
[20:04] <zoredache> chewit: gnome apps like what?  The network manager for example is common to both
[20:05] <chewit> on the system monitor i have the following gnome background apps:
[20:05] <chewit> keyring-daemon
[20:05] <chewit> screensaver
[20:05] <chewit> vfs-daemon
[20:05] <chewit> thats it, should i have those
[20:06] <chewit> not sure if they were left on my pc when i switched to  xubuntu
[20:06] <zoredache> I am not too sure about the vfs-daemon.  I don't have that on my system
[20:06] <chewit> oh, but u have the rest?
[20:06] <zoredache> yes
[20:07] <chewit> ok
[20:07] <chewit> should i bothered with the vfs then
[20:07] <daRu> ok i dont know if it is the live cd..but i downloaded it from the xubuntu web page..i burnt it from poweriso..
[20:07] <zoredache> I think the vfs-daemon package is named 'libgnomevfs2-0'  xfce will never use it
[20:07] <chewit> oh
[20:08] <chewit> i will just leave, i would prefer not to mess with a system which runs fine
[20:08] <chewit> still a linux newbie
[20:08] <zoredache> chewit: you can leave it running if you like it probably won't hurt anything, or you can remove it..
[20:09] <chewit> ok, thanks zoredache
[20:09] <zoredache> daRu: what was the file name?  xubunt-nnn-deskto.iso?  I am suggesting you install with the xubuntu-nnn-alternate-i386.iso
[20:10] <daRu> ok its not the alternate cd..sorry
[20:11] <daRu> it is the desktop cd
[20:13] <chewit> zoredache: just gone on to synaptic and tried to remove the vfs thing, but it also removes any gnome application like the other gnome background apps and network manager
[20:13] <chewit> so i better not do it
[20:56] <Robin-NB> hello
[20:56] <Robin-NB> anyone there?
[20:57] <chewit> hi
[20:57] <Robin-NB> !help
[20:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[20:57] <Robin-NB> hi
[20:58] <Robin-NB> i have problems with my wireless network setup
[20:59] <uninvited> Whats the prob, Robin-NB
[21:00] <Robin-NB> consider this setup
[21:00] <Robin-NB> ..:
[21:00] <Robin-NB> machines A and B are connected the local network via wifi cards...
[21:00] <uninvited> ok
[21:01] <Robin-NB> machine c is connected via plain ethernet
[21:01] <Robin-NB> everything works fine with connecting to the internet and stuff..
[21:02] <Robin-NB> yet i cannot ping A from B or B from A
[21:02] <uninvited> Operating systems of A, B, C ?
[21:03] <Robin-NB> xubuntu on A and B
[21:03] <chewit> wifi is on able to do that using WiFi A
[21:03] <chewit> i have never been able to do that
[21:03] <chewit> both my pcs are wifi
[21:03] <Robin-NB> hm..
[21:03] <Robin-NB> do you know why that is?
[21:04] <chewit> it does to be wifi a
[21:04] <chewit> b & g can online recieve data from a router
[21:05] <Robin-NB> ??
[21:05] <Robin-NB> i never heard of that
[21:05] <Robin-NB> is wifi "a" like the lowest standard?
[21:05] <zoredache> no
[21:05] <zoredache> a is a different frequency, and actually has the potential for the same bandwidth as G
[21:06] <FreeFull> Microsoft is the lowest standard.
[21:06] <Robin-NB> hehe
[21:06] <uninvited> har har har , FreeFull that's something for quote heaven :)
[21:07] <Robin-NB> actually, microsoft is the most essential fail-safe
[21:07] <uninvited> I'd guess it's a routing problem.
[21:07] <Robin-NB> ...you only use it if theres no other way
[21:08] <zoredache> so what is the ip address of your two computers?
[21:08] <uninvited> try ping -R <yourrouter>
[21:08] <Robin-NB> btt, i can ping any machine from any other machine in the network, except between both wireless machines...
[21:08] <uninvited> to see the route
[21:08] <Robin-NB> 192.168.0.23 and .25
[21:09] <_CeleroN_> HI
[21:09] <_CeleroN_> hola
[21:09] <uninvited> Hi _CeleroN_
[21:09] <_CeleroN_> uninvited sorry but i need some help with ubuntu
[21:09] <_CeleroN_> any here can help me
[21:09] <zoredache> Robin-NB: are you running a firewall on your computers that are having problems?
[21:09] <uninvited> well sure, _CeleroN_ head on
[21:10] <Robin-NB> not that i know of
[21:10] <uninvited> Robin-NB: So, are A and B connected via wifi + with lan to the local network ?
[21:10] <zoredache> you could try running tcpdump while you do your pings... it might reveal something...
[21:11] <_CeleroN_> well i need a link about that how install the obuntu
[21:11] <zoredache> Robin-NB: the command 'tcpdump -qni any ' should let you see everything..
[21:11] <zoredache> !install | _CeleroN_
[21:11] <ubotu> _CeleroN_: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:11] <uninvited> Cool feature zoredache
[21:11] <_CeleroN_> ty very much
[21:12] <_CeleroN_> im new in linux and i wanna learn to use it, ty very much for your help uninvited
[21:12] <_CeleroN_> i apreciate that
[21:13] <philphoto> anyone using a thinkpad?  I run 7.10 on a T30 and if i connect a device into ultrabay while powered on it works fine.  After hibernate or reboot, T30 wifi will go down and no wireless devices will be recognized, requires one more reboot in order to see wireless lan.  iwconfig won't show any dev's
[21:13] <uninvited> Well, thank zoredache not me. He helped youout !
[21:13] <philphoto> this problem is just an annoyance, but I'd like to rectify it.
[21:14] <uninvited> philphoto: did you activate hotplug ?
[21:14] <FreeFull> philphoto, I use an R50e. The problem is that you hibernate. Stop it and it will work.
[21:14] <philphoto> FreeFull: even when doing normal reboot this happens.  i have only used hibernate once.
[21:14] <Robin-NB> tcpdump just gives my alot of crap as this machine runs some services plus irc, atm
[21:15] <philphoto> uninvited: no, i don't believe so
[21:16] <uninvited> philphoto: what happens if you remove your wireless card ?
[21:16] <FreeFull> philphoto, I can't help. Sorry.
[21:16] <uninvited> and plug it again ?
[21:18] <philphoto> uninvited: remove it?  it's onboard.
[21:19] <zoredache> Robin-NB: if you wanted to look at just ping traffic you could use the command 'tcpdump -qni any icmp'
[21:19] <uninvited> Well you talked about putting a device into ultrabay
[21:19] <uninvited> i was wondering, there is devices for Ultrabay :)
[21:21] <uninvited> I have an additional BATT in my A31
[21:21] <Robin-NB> well, I get a "host x.x.x.x unreachable"
[21:22] <Robin-NB> well, whatever...
[21:22] <Robin-NB> i guess, i have to switch to ethernet
[21:22] <Robin-NB> at least for the top box
[21:22] <philphoto> uninvited: sorry 'bout that.  i was speaking of the ultrabay battery,  or dvdrom
[21:23] <philphoto> for some reason I can't pin down the minipci card is disabled on boot after swapping devices.
[21:24] <Robin-NB> thanks anyway
[21:24] <Robin-NB> bye
[21:27] <uninvited> philphoto: Do you talk about after boot or after getting back from hibernate ?
[21:29] <AminemiuM> hey xubuntu's fans!!
[21:30] <uninvited> Hiya
[21:35] <philphoto> uninvited: either way it's both the same
[21:35] <uninvited> OKay, which minipci type is it ?
[21:36] <philphoto> uninvited: the chipset?  prism 2.5
[21:36] <uninvited> Cisco Aironet or IBM High Rate ?
[21:36] <philphoto> ibm I believe
[21:37] <uninvited> i see.
[21:40] <philphoto> uninvited: it only interferes if i hotswap though, so it's not too much of an issue.  during session after hotswap, everything still works fine.
[21:40] <uninvited> philphoto: Well T30 and my A31 both have UltraBay2000 - which are support hotswap.
[21:40] <philphoto> t30 is ultrabay plus, but I'm splitting hairs.  i haven't loaded a module for hotswap though.
[21:41] <philphoto> does 7.10 support it out of the box?
[21:45] <uninvited> lsmod | grep -i hot
[21:46] <philphoto> thanks!  i'm busy writing a paper & haven't even though of looking it up
[21:47] <philphoto> uninvited: it's there allright.  pci_hotplug            32704  1 shpchp
[21:49] <philphoto> there's a package with a GUI that supports IDE hotswap.  i might try that one out actually.
[21:58] <uninvited> philphoto: yeah - try that.
[21:59] <uninvited> I was looking up /proc for a way to echo a hotswap command, but haven't found anythin
[22:04] <philphoto> uninvited: hotswap = fail
[22:04] <carbonfreeze> Is there any way to set proxy settings for gnome apps which do not have their own proxy settings dialog (ex epiphany), without installing gnome-control-center? (Hardy)
[22:05] <uninvited> philphoto: where did you read that ?
[22:05] <philphoto> that is, I tried the hotswap program in the repository & it didn't detect the ide drive I have plugged in right now in the ultrabay.
[22:05] <philphoto> uninvited: i'm just being dramatic , sorry
[22:06] <uninvited> No prob.
[22:06] <uninvited> Go check /proc/acpi directory
[22:06] <uninvited> :)
[22:06] <philphoto> I just got a T23 off the bay!  sweet.
[22:07] <philphoto> sorry about off topic, but it's my next gutsy project
[22:07] <uninvited> What's that project, philphoto ?
[22:08] <Yashy> I'm trying to install xubuntu, but my max screen resolution is 800x600, and as such I can't see the "OK" button on the install window, and I can't resize/shrink the install window so that I'm able to see/click the button
[22:08] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: try using alt+left click to drag the window?
[22:10] <Yashy> I can drag the window around, but not "up" passed the title bar
[22:10] <Yashy> I can drag left/right/down no problem, but the install window is taller than my desktop vertical resolution
[22:12] <philphoto> uninvited: i scored a "parts" T23 that's complete & has a boot error which, according to the seller sounds like a bad dimm.  i've looked at the manual & decoded the beep string,but I'll find out in a few days when i get the machine.
[22:13] <uninvited> philphoto: sound cool to me. My colleague is a genius like you, repairing those "parts"...
[22:13] <philphoto> uninvited: worst case scenario, i paid just a few dollars for a perfect parts machine.  when i get it working, I'll send it to my little sister who just started college & needs a laptop for word processing apps
[22:14] <philphoto> uninvited: thanks for the genius props!   and wish me luck too.
[22:14] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: try Settings Manager ~> Window Manager ~> Advanced. Try turning down edge resistance. Thats about all I can think of
[22:14] <uninvited> ...we replaced our A30/A31 at work (replacment: Dell) and made 5 functional machines out of 7. That's what i call a genius :)
[22:15] <uninvited> .
[22:16] <philphoto> uninvited: this laptop i intend to be the linux intro for my family who is heavily invested in windows and that status quo.   they complain  a lot about security and the expense of windoze though so this is a safe way for them to try out bare-bones linux with a good GUI.
[22:16] <uninvited> Nice, on philphoto - i m trying that on my father right now.
[22:17] <uninvited> :)
[22:17] <Yashy> carbonfreeze: the Window manager window is also vertically taller than my desktop :/
[22:17] <philphoto> uninvited: making 5 from 7 is a really good ratio of success
[22:17] <uninvited> Well it is. We had mainly probs with the LCDs - he got 'em repaired.
[22:18] <uninvited> Wonderboy !
[22:18] <uninvited> :P
[22:18] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: Try right click ~> customize panel on the top panel. Make it freely moveable.
[22:19] <philphoto> we've got a running joke amongst us linux users at work/school.  the best way to get vista to run is to slick the hdd, load up linux & configure the widgets to look and act just like the microsoft product. = best "vista" install ever
[22:19] <uninvited> hehehe
[22:19] <philphoto> I could do that to my family and they would never notice the difference in look, but they'd think the computer was running too fast.
[22:20] <uninvited> har har har
[22:20] <philphoto> mom asks - where did Norton go?
[22:21] <philphoto> heh heh heh
[22:21] <uninvited> Oh my ***** !
[22:21] <uninvited> Call for Dr. Norton, Dr. Norton please report in...
[22:23] <philphoto> Norton got beat up in the back alley by the trojans he didn't see
[22:23] <Yashy> carbonfreeze: once I did that to top and bottom, I can now see half of the back/forward buttons, good enough, thanks :)
[22:23] <uninvited> Holy cow !
[22:23] <maxamillion> uninvited, philphoto: can you two please move to #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:24]  * Yashy is going to install xubuntu i386, as there are frequent random lockups with nvdia proprietary driver on amd64 xubuntu
[22:24] <philphoto> uninvited: do you have a long boot time on your thinkpad?
[22:24] <uninvited> Nope. Do you ?
[22:25] <philphoto> uninvited: inordinately long.
[22:25] <uninvited> check your /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[22:25] <philphoto> 2+ minutes.  no bootsplash either, strangely.
[22:25] <uninvited> look for the kernel which you boot.
[22:25] <philphoto> uninvited: wait one
[22:25] <uninvited> Remove "quiet" + "splash" from it, then reboot.
[22:26] <uninvited> Well, remove "splash" at least.
[22:27] <uninvited> maxamillion: We re on topic again ?
[22:27] <uninvited> :)
[22:27] <maxamillion> okies
[22:28] <maxamillion> thank you
[22:28] <uninvited> great :)
[22:28] <philphoto> uninvited: using text editor?
[22:28] <uninvited> sorry, i've been here many times, but it was like dead quiet in here.
[22:28] <uninvited> philphoto: yes, you best take the editor of your choice.
[22:28] <uninvited> you ll have to edit as root i guess.
[22:29] <philphoto> i hate messing with grub or kernel.  wish me luck
[22:29] <uninvited> well, it's just grub
[22:29] <uninvited> Check the default kernel entry. Just remove splash
[22:30] <uninvited> Seems to me, the framebuffer is needed for displaying the splash screen
[22:30] <uninvited> you could check out with "dmesg" how long it takes until login.
[22:30] <philphoto> remove splash?
[22:30] <uninvited> Aye.
[22:35] <philphoto> uninvited: all i find is defoptions=quiet splash
[22:39] <uninvited> remove splash - if you remove quiet it will show you which devices are detected, etc...
[22:40] <uninvited> my boot time went down from ca. 290 sec to 45 sec
[22:42] <philphoto> really?  so if i remove quiet I can watch the boot text?  I'm a control freak & love to see what's happening.
[22:43] <uninvited> Yes.
[22:43] <carbonfreeze> philphoto: IIRC its recommended to use nosplash to disable splash screen (has something to do with cryptsetup prompts & input)
[22:44] <uninvited> There is title...root...kernel...initrd lines.
[22:44] <philphoto> sweet.  trying it out now.  if you'll be around in 5 i'll see you on the flipside.
[22:44] <uninvited> quiet + splash should be there in the kernel line, as far as i remember
[22:44] <carbonfreeze> philphoto: and if you want more verbose (heh) kernel spamming on boot, you can replace quiet with verbose
[22:45] <uninvited> carbonfreeze: Now thats something i didn't try out :)
[22:45] <philphoto> carbonfreeze: replace quiet splash with nosplash?
[22:45] <Yashy> splash screen disappears when prompted for your luks passphrase even if you leave splash screen on with cryptsetup
[22:45] <Yashy> although an issue I've noticed is the passphrase is echoing back right now :/
[22:46] <philphoto> what I'm trying to fix is my excessive boot time.  about 3-4 minutes
[22:46] <carbonfreeze> philphoto: if you just want to see general info about daemon start (OK/FAIL), leave quiet there, but change splash to nosplash to disable the progress bar on bootup
[22:46] <philphoto> carbonfreeze: excellent.  thx
[22:47] <carbonfreeze> philphoto: if you want to see info reguarding kernel hardware detection and whatnot, replace quiet with verbose (its really verbose)
[22:47] <uninvited> try both , philphoto , i d like to know if there is a difference between removed splash an nosplash
[22:47] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: thats why I use nosplash for my laptop+LUKS
[22:48] <Yashy> What file do you turn off splash in?
[22:48] <uninvited> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:49] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: You can hose your boot loader messing with the grub menu, but you want to look for the defopts line in menu.lst
[22:49] <philphoto> uninvited: I just replaced splash with nosplash.  after boot I'll check demsg for time & post here when i can.  I'll let you know what putput I get re: pass/fail or none and time.
[22:49] <philphoto> I'm out for a few.
[22:49] <uninvited> philphoto: i have to leave.
[22:50] <uninvited> ok :)
[22:52] <Yashy> As soon as I install the nvidia driver, my fans in my computer run 100%
[22:54] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: CPU/chassis fans or just the video card?
[22:55] <Yashy> I'm not sure, and can't easily take off the case right now
[22:55] <Yashy> but if I remove the nvidia proprietary card, it doesn't happen
[22:56] <Yashy> but then I'm limited to 800x600 :/
[22:56] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: Are you using the *buntu supplied nvidia driver or installing via the nvidia installer?
[22:56] <Yashy> interesting, seems like every ~4th boot the fan is quiet
[22:56] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: on 7.10 I had to install a newer driver from nvidia to support the 7800gt in one of my boxes (it was limited to 800x600 with ubuntu supplied nvidia)
[22:57] <Yashy> the xubuntu provided NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver under restricted drivers, it popped up on first boot suggesting I use it
[22:57] <carbonfreeze> woops, I mean 8800gt
[22:57] <Yashy> This is just a 6150 LE (GeForce 6 series)
[22:58] <Yashy> with the driver I can do the full 1600x1200 for my monitor, without it xfce only lets me do 800x600
[22:58] <Yashy> I just have to power it on/off a few times until I hear the fans stay quiet after the bios
[22:59] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: thats an onboard card? Checked google?
[22:59] <Yashy> Although this reinstall is hopefully to fix the frequent random lock ups the same driver causes on amd64, hoping that doesn't happen on i386 or a lot more people would be complaining I'd imagine
[23:00] <Yashy> carbonfreeze: yeah onboard with the econo dells. Checked google for what?
[23:00] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: a solution, to see if anyone else has issue. Otherwise I'd post a bug report
[23:01] <Yashy> I did submit a bug report for it
[23:02] <Yashy> but it happens within a few minutes of booting, so it's not really usable as is, hence my reinstall to i386. Rather annoying as I have 4G ram that will now only be 3
[23:03] <Yashy> speaks volumes about the results of proprietary drivers...
[23:03] <carbonfreeze> It would be nice if ubuntu would update the nvidia driver as new versions became available (after some testing, ofcourse)
[23:03] <Yashy> I checked nvidia's site, it is the current version that comes with xubuntu
[23:04] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: your installing from 7.10 or 8.04 media?
[23:04] <Yashy> 7.10
[23:05] <Yashy> mind you, that was after an apt-get update/dist-upgrade
[23:05] <carbonfreeze> Yashy: Hmm. I'm going to have to reinstall the ubuntu supplied nvidia driver on my 8800gt box then, since it wasn't working with the version ubuntu had supplied about 2mo ago
[23:06] <uninvited> Good nite, time to take some sleep.
[23:07] <uninvited> Interesting channel, i'll be back <arnie>
[23:30] <philphoto> I'm back after editing /boot/grub/menu.lst to change splash and the like i saw no change in boot time
[23:30] <philphoto> still booting in 206 seconds.
[23:33] <philphoto> i didn't pay attention to the fact that i have two duplicate grub files as above, but one ends with ~
[23:34] <philphoto> what is the difference in the two?
[23:40] <philphoto> nevermind, found fault in my usplash.conf & I'm going to try that