[00:00] that's me wearing a polo [00:00] nixternal: xdg-dirs probably not installed [00:00] Riddell: ya, no biggy...I don't want it, but I am sure others might :) [00:01] ah we call that a polo shirt here... a breed between a polo (the one that has buttons all the way down to the bottom) and a T-shirt :) [00:01] http://blog.nixternal.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/ubuntuchicago.jpg [00:01] and that's me wearing a GPL v3 shirt :) [00:01] gooooooooo version 3 [00:02] haha, with eddie and freddy [00:02] hahah [00:02] the only Ubuntu Member twins! [00:02] how scary === Pricey is now known as PriceChild [01:04] evening [01:05] evening [01:05] how's it going nosredna_ekim [01:05] not bad. [01:06] rbrunhuber: we often get heavy storms :) [01:06] hello Hobbsee [01:06] hey jjesse [01:06] not usually that heavy though [01:09] grumble burn is locked [01:09] wonder if it will mess up my cd [01:21] oh hi hobbsee [01:22] heya [01:22] it was wet, and thundering and lightning, but no hail [01:22] just was a bit concerned made in the news a gazillion miles away ;-) [01:24] heh [01:24] my car got written off due to hail a few months ago, though [01:25] is it really wrecked or just wrecked in the books? [01:32] rather wrecked [01:32] see hobbsee.mailbolt.com/Car [01:32] p/w is sarah [01:33] Hobbsee link is not working [01:33] sorry, photos.hobbsee.mailbolt.com/Car [01:35] they make those dents in the golf balls so they fly faster. So your car should be a real dragster now. [01:36] lol [01:37] And Hobbsee if you go fast enough nobody will notice the dents. So your are on the winner side. [01:37] hehe [01:39] hobbsee sorry i didn't write back last time. did one of the dumbest things ever. So i could'nt. really. Have written down everything though. [01:40] it's fine :) [01:41] locked me out on 3am! [02:12] can anyone tell me if you can set the boot manager option to Grub for KDM now? [02:13] nevermind, I found the option, just was never set as default [02:15] nixternal: wathc out i'm working on documentation tonight :) [02:15] * jjesse ducks [02:15] go go go [02:15] I am working on my 25+ a day boogs list [02:15] 25+ bugs? [02:15] wow [02:16] i just setup the 5-a-day app for myself [02:16] nixternal» whew.... [02:16] I'm trying to get my loco to do a 100 a day :) [02:17] damn, that is impressive nosredna_ekim [02:17] hmm i don't think my loco is intersted in contributing technically [02:17] mine is, they just aren't technical [02:17] I have to hold their hands when it comes to burning a CD :p [02:18] nixternal» dunno if we are going to do it... but its an idea. [02:18] they always want to learn how to do technical stuff, and when I set it up to teach them, they don't show up..so I gave up on them and only hang with the geeks now [02:18] our LUG is doing good though [02:24] hardy kernel and vmware not compatiable? [02:26] openoffice makes plasma really wacky [02:27] I thought I just had hardy and vmware working together...you are talking about running hardy inside of vmware right? [02:27] yuriy: how so? [02:28] no running hardy and then trying trying to run vmware [02:31] nixternal: it makes random pieces flicker black [02:31] before it was just the clock and occasionally the taskbar, now the wallpaper and other plasmoids too [02:33] anyone know which package we get our keymap configurations from? [02:35] heh, my LUG is non existant, and the loco comes out to about one person per 130199.595 square KM [02:36] nixternal: for KDE or for the terminal/console? [02:36] kde [02:36] kmilo right? [02:36] I am trying to find the package that has a list of the keyboards and their special keys/functions [02:36] I swore it was in /etc/ but I can't find it [02:37] /usr/share/X11/xkb/keymap [02:37] the one in /etc/X11 is a link to there [02:38] as for the package, packages.ubuntu.com claims that no such file/dir exists in suite hardy, all sections, and all architectures. [02:39] nixternal: could it be xserver-xorg-input-kbd - X.Org X server -- keyboard input driver ? [02:40] guess not... [02:41] nixternal: you want xkb-data [02:41] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/xkb-data/filelist [02:41] nixternal: does help now get installed w/ kde4 hardy ? last time i tested it didn't [02:41] it still doesn't [02:42] KHelpCenter in KDE4 is a mess [02:42] you won't see it working until 4.1 probably [02:42] ryanakca: thanks! [02:42] awesome so how are users going to access help in hardy kde4? [02:43] well, someone is complaining that their keys on their laptop worked in Ubuntu but not Kubuntu [02:43] * nosredna_ekim guesses #kubuntu-kde4 [02:43] jjesse: help:/ still works I think [02:43] nixternal» yeah.. I found that if you install kubuntu after installing ubuntu, they keys are not detected perfectly [02:43] I konqi [02:43] nixternal: what keys? like, whole keyboard? [02:43] ryanakca: no, certain special function keys [02:44] oooh, I know someone who has this laptop model [02:44] I will ask him [02:45] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_hardy_kde4&num=1 [02:45] * nosredna_ekim loves the press [02:46] cause if you can't use help then its pointless to write documentation [02:47] nixternal: ah. do they have the same keyboard model set in gnome and KDE? [02:48] ya, help:/ works in KDE 4 when you have you documentation under the /usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/docs/kde/HTML/en directory [02:48] ryanakca: I have no clue, I will wait for them to respond if they do...the bug is 2 years old with out one comment [02:48] lol [02:48] nosredna_ekim: Well I think putting the screenshots of the crash dialogue was a nice touch. [02:48] so the kde4 docs i'm working on changing right now is going to be installed in that location? [02:48] ^_^ [02:52] argh is the live-cd nhow going to ask for my language on booting [02:53] migt have to edit the chpt on that [02:56] hey, we don't ship a qtrc file do we? [02:57] !info libqt3-mt [02:57] libqt3-mt (source: qt-x11-free): Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version), Version 3. In component main, is optional. Version 3:3.3.8really3.3.7-0ubuntu11.1 (gutsy), package size 3222 kB, installed size 8920 kB [02:57] ahh, so we don't [03:00] hmm... I'm guessing it's safe to rm /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-10-generic since we're at initrd.img-2.6.24-8-generic ;) [03:01] * ryanakca thinks that upgrades should only keep the past 10 kernels, instead of keeping them untill /boot fills up [03:01] I am at 2.6.22-10 [03:02] anyone done a kde4/gutsy -> hardy/kde4 upgrade? [03:02] running at the moment, hardy, desktop? [03:02] nope [03:20] kicker's been replaced w/ krunner right? [03:20] o_O [03:20] no, with plasma's panel [03:39] santiago-ve, are you doing 5-a-day? [03:39] err... [03:40] * santiago-ve runs... [03:40] nope... been a bit busy with ROMBO :/ [03:57] nixternal: lots of commits tonight also robotgeek is working on kde-menus-C.ent to verify things are current and al set [03:59] for kde4 [03:59] * jjesse beds [04:00] night jjesse === david_a is now known as krawek [05:22] I would rather watch grass grow for the rest of my life than wait for bughelper to attempt to complete its job [05:27] That or waiting for a launchpad page to load. Whichever comes first [05:30] LP is a billion times faster than bughelper [06:01] nixternal: What do you actually use bughelper for? [06:01] searching for duplicates [06:01] and thus far, it hasn't worked a bit for me [06:02] When filing bugs against launchpad itself, I never bother to look for duplicates. I figure if they get to many dupes they've earned it. [06:03] hehe [06:07] so, it apperas that my reputation preceedes me. [06:07] it's kinda scary! [06:08] * Jucato is not surprised :) [06:11] people remember my name, from when they saw the console input in a unit last year. [06:15] Remember you where? [06:15] Good morning, friends! [06:15] scottk uni [06:15] anyone heard of the icon not showing up for basket after installing it? [06:21] man, solaris is weird! [06:26] lala [06:26] hm [06:26] Hobbsee: whoa, you using Gnome right now? [06:26] I can quit asking around if you are :) [06:32] nixternal: Did you see my message on kdepim4 to kubuntu-devel? [06:33] not yet...my email isn't even open [06:33] I was wondering why I didn't see anything :) [06:33] That'll do it. [06:35] nixternal: heh, yeah. [06:35] Hobbsee: if possible, can you try to recreate bug #190462 [06:36] Launchpad bug 190462 in basket "[hardy] Basket Can't setup DCOP communication" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190462 [06:36] hrmm, that says in hardy, so if you aren't in Hardy it may not be worth the hassle [06:36] nixternal: i will be in hardy when i get home. i'm 'at uni atm [06:36] roger that [06:37] I would install VBox, but there aren't any new modules just yet [07:32] nixternal: special box :-P its ok, I don't mind if I don't get free stuff (nothing new actually) [07:37] did you get any type of confirmation email at all? [07:38] it could be one of those "takes 6 to 8 weeks" type of deals as well [07:53] seele: you are the only one I can pick out in the KFemmes pic, and what is Riddell doing in a picture of the MD LoCo :) That will be my new team soon!! woohoo [07:56] * nixternal beds [07:56] g'nite [11:15] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping? [11:54] _StefanS_: pong, but I am going to smoke a cig, bbiab [11:57] <\sh> kwwii: smoking kills [12:05] <_StefanS_> kwwii: just msg me when you get back [12:34] nixternal: did i mess up the tags? [13:00] <_StefanS_> kwwii: so, how many cigarettes do you need ? :) [13:01] <\sh> _StefanS_: I think he just got caught by something more nicer then an irc client [13:01] <_StefanS_> \sh: probably :) [13:02] <_StefanS_> \sh: like normal life for instance. [13:19] stdin: ping [13:22] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping pong ping ? [13:23] Nightrose: can you reproduce bug #196450 [13:23] Launchpad bug 196450 in dragonplayer "dragon player can't play .mp4 files" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196450 [13:24] will try [13:26] apachelogger: worksforme - but I have 2.0 here and not 2.0.1 as said in the bigreport [13:27] but everything is updated here so I don´t know where he got that package from [13:27] 2.0.1 only includes a bugfix for the mute button [13:27] k [13:27] Nightrose: hardy alpha I guess [13:27] well ok then worksforme [13:27] in gutsy [13:27] same here, in gutsy [13:28] Riddell: might that bug be an issue with the CD? [13:28] --Service 'dragonplayer_part.desktop' is malformatted.-- sounds pretty strange to me [13:34] _StefanS_: sorry, meeting and then lunch....back now [13:35] _StefanS_: i will have some free time tomorrow evening and on the weekend so I can help with any bits that still need working on [13:43] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ok good, because I'm not sure how we should push these changes [13:43] _StefanS_: which changes are those? [13:43] <_StefanS_> kwwii: the wallpaper, windeco buttons and qtcurve style [13:43] _StefanS_: well, we just need to put them in kubuntu-default-settings [13:44] <_StefanS_> kwwii: oh ok, good then [13:44] <_StefanS_> kwwii: lets do that tomorrow [13:44] apachelogger: works for me fine in konqueror-kde4 [13:44] apachelogger: possibly he's using desktop-file-validate to validate, which has a very strict and gnome-centric view of what's valid [13:44] _StefanS_: ok, I should be back at home sometime in the late evening [13:44] around 20-21 [13:45] <_StefanS_> kwwii: sounds good, I will be online there tomorrow night [13:45] cool [13:45] <_StefanS_> I'm off [13:45] <_StefanS_> see you all [13:46] apachelogger: on the other hand mp4 is missing from /usr/share/applications/kde4/dragonplayer.desktop for no good reason [13:46] Riddell: well, it happens when trying to play the file [13:47] which is already strange by the fact that it's not in the mime list [13:47] also I myself did all the desktop files for dragonplayer, so they are perfect ;-) [13:47] apachelogger: get him to paste the file maybe, I can't recreate any problem [13:48] yeah [13:53] will dapper be easily upgradeable to hardy? I know we aren't doing LTS... but are we doing easy upgrade from dapper? [13:54] no [13:55] ah..ok. === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [14:00] we aren't doing an upgrade from dapper to hardy? [14:00] if the problem is not enough testers, I'll test it.... [14:01] no, it's actually one of the main time syncs for LTS [14:01] sinks :-) [14:01] nosrednaekim: please do :) [14:01] sebas: too much archive admin :) [14:01] Riddell: means it takes too much time to get in plac? [14:01] Riddell: no hard feelings here ;-) [14:01] will ubuntu support dapper -> hardy [14:02] jjesse: testing upgrades takes a long time, you have to install dapper, do the upgrade, see what breaks. takes half a day each iteration [14:02] jjesse: yes [14:02] i bet it does [14:02] just curious [14:04] Riddell» would it be fine to start testing now?or should I wait for some later alphas. [14:04] nosrednaekim: I think now is fine since ubuntu desktop are doing so [14:05] ok.... I'll go grab a dapper CD. [14:06] nosrednaekim: well [14:06] nosrednaekim: main problem is we don't have an upgrade tool for KDE [14:06] not in dapper [14:06] hum.... how about dist-upgrade? is that good enough? [14:07] it's not the same [14:07] so adept has to be backported? [14:08] to do it properly, patches to adept, patches to kde, patches to pykde, and test the upgrader tool kde frontend [14:08] alternativly you could just use the gtk tool [14:09] oh..... [14:09] as I say, time sink [14:09] I think the gtk tool sounds like a good idea ^_^ [14:10] nosrednaekim: ask heno or someone where the current testing instructions are [14:10] ok [14:18] Riddell: ping [14:18] hi mok0 [14:18] Riddell: Hi! I've made a page summarizing the missing icons i kde. [14:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDEMissingIcons [14:20] Riddell: I thought it would be good to have an effort to populate all the menu entries for hardy [14:20] Riddell: But I won't announce it unless you guy support it [14:20] guys [14:26] mok0: kde 3 or 4? [14:26] kde3 [14:27] mok0: settings/ shouldn't exist for most of those, they should only be in systemsettings app [14:27] mok0: or do they come from Gnome? [14:27] Riddell: OK, I just wrote what's on the menu on my machine === _czessi is now known as Czessi [14:29] Riddell: from Gnome? [14:29] mok0: the k-menu items there look to be problems in gnome apps [14:30] that is worth fixing, it just means lots of patches to gnome packages [14:30] Riddell: yikes [14:30] mok0: the menu items in the bottom three tables I don't think need fixing, not all menu items have icons and that's no bad thing [14:31] Riddell: Yeah, perhaps, I just wrote down everything with no icons. There ARE some icons in those menus [14:32] Riddell: please feel free to edit the document if you have the time [14:33] not every menu item needs an icon, they get one if there's an already existing icon for the action but there's no big problem if some or most menu items don't have icons [14:33] Riddell: I agree [14:33] Riddell: I just didn't know if it's intentional or not [14:35] (I know some people would like to get rid of icons in menus altogether) [14:38] mostly artists :) [14:38] Ah, these aesthetic types... [14:39] * mok0 likes lots of icons everywhere :) [14:39] hey everyone [14:40] hi dragon76 [14:40] does anyone know what happened to guidance powermanager? [14:40] it's still there [14:41] Riddell: In the K menu, I only have Octave in the science and math menu. All the other science and math programs are in "Edutainment" (horrible title) [14:41] <\sh> Octave has an Icon? [14:41] Yes [14:41] mok0: so sure, go ahead, but it's mostly patches to gnome packages to put the icons in the standard place (or symlink) [14:41] it no longer updates the battery state unless ac power state is changed or guidance powermanager is stopped and restarted... [14:42] I'm running hardy of course [14:42] mok0: it's probably the only app to not have Education; in Categories= [14:42] <\sh> mok0: what does it start? a terminal with the octave interpreter? [14:42] Riddell: I think multilevel menus should be deprecated [14:42] mok0: I agree [14:42] amen on the menus riddell [14:43] ... which means edutainment should be abandoned ? [14:43] Or is that not up to us [14:44] guidance-powermanager was fine until updates about a week ago. [14:44] dragon76: it hasn't changed since then, likely an issue in linux or hal [14:44] the values are still being updated to /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state [14:45] /proc is obsolete [14:45] mok0: or just add Education; to Octave [14:46] the kernel update last night didn't help... I didn't remember hal being updated when it broke [14:46] mok0: or edit the menu file to put all Science in Education [14:46] I assume hal is being used in place of /proc? [14:46] sorry just trying to learn so I can better help out [14:47] dragon76: /sys in place of /proc, hal is just a nice dbus way to make sense of /sys [14:47] ok [14:47] dragon76: try gnome-power-manager and see if it's equally broke [14:47] dragon76: if it is, report a bug on linux [14:47] Riddell: I will take a look [14:47] I'll do that right now [14:53] Riddell: gnome-power-manager is also broken. I also tried kima to see if it is updating the bat state and it isn't. I will go change my bug report on launchpad since I listed the wrong package... Thanks [14:55] I guess I didn't post the bug yet... think I've been getting sleep deprived [15:06] does anyone know how quickly kde4 is coming along? [15:06] I found it missing too many things for my use at this point. [15:07] I'm not too impressed with everything being a widget either... I don't want vista [15:10] dragon76: this is kernel/hal issue and I think it is already reported [15:10] dragon76: new /sys interface is not reliable on lots of laptops :-( [15:11] Lure: thanks [15:13] it's unfortunate it got broke as all of the other things that were broke in gutsy kernels regarding kernel/hal issues have been fixed on the laptops I am testing with... I'm sure they'll get it fixed soon enough [15:21] uhhh [15:22] suse is having a special splash when sending the machine to hibernation [15:22] we should have such a thing as well [15:22] looks good IMHO [15:25] apachelogger: Why? [15:29] daSKreech: because black screens suck [15:29] how do I know it not just died? [15:29] how do I know it is switched off yet [15:30] So while it's in hibernation it shows the screen? [15:31] daSKreech: nah, while it is hibernating [15:31] hibernation = todisk [15:31] * daSKreech nods === santiago-z is now known as santiago-ve === santiago-ve is now known as santiago-vea === santiago-vea is now known as santiago-ve [15:51] ha! [15:52] Riddell: http://www.webbalert.com/ please right click on 'Download' and select preview in dragonplayer [15:52] that shouldn't work [15:52] however, it doesn't cause the report either for me [15:52] Nightrose: can you reproduce? [15:52] trying [15:53] oO [15:53] seems like it killed konqui [15:53] just opening it [15:54] lovely [15:54] * apachelogger reboots [15:58] * Mez pokes anyone with main access [15:58] Anyone wanna patch katapult ;) [15:59] if you give us the debdiff [16:00] Riddell, yeah - I'm just creating the patches first ;) [16:05] Nightrose: can you please try with kaffeine? [16:05] what? [16:05] the video? [16:05] Nightrose: previewing [16:05] I can´t even open the page honey [16:05] Oo [16:05] oh [16:06] ah [16:06] flash :P [16:06] right [16:06] this needs a fix [16:06] indeed [16:06] * apachelogger grabs dragonplayer's svn [16:13] ah no more update in amarok2....tablib is now 1.5 [16:17] Riddell, how would you like the debdiff sent to you [16:17] http [16:19] Riddell, http://katapult.kde.org/files/katapult.debdiff [16:30] Mez: what's BCBreakse? [16:30] BC Breaks = Backwards compatibility breaks [16:30] if there was an e at the end, that wasnt meant to be there [16:47] Hmmm, does anyone know about the +1 update to language-pack-kde-en-base that came today? is it the fix for !langpack ??? (or is my mirror behind) [16:49] probably a fix for the en_CA issue [16:50] Riddell: yeah, thats what I was referring to :) [16:50] Mez: uploaded [16:50] Riddell, sweet [16:50] I do acutally have a debian version coming [16:50] but It's a pain in the ass... cause of the new lintian [17:04] Riddell: pong [17:06] stdin: odbc fails to build in qt4 on amd64 [17:06] * stdin has a look [17:06] stdin: I'll have to disable its build until that gets fixed [17:16] I wonder why that same code compiles on 32bit but not 64bit [17:17] Riddell: status update on ksniffer: I have an updated package - installs fine - thing is it b0rks your system pretty badly - apachelogger and I think it is not at all FFe worthy right now - I will work on it but it will take me some time to figure it out [17:17] I am building it from source right now to see if the problem is in packaging or upstream [17:19] !kdesudo | Nightrose (what aplg means) [17:19] Nightrose (what aplg means): In KDE, use « kdesudo » (Gutsy) or « kdesu » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why) [17:19] hmmm [17:19] apachelogger: did kdesu or kdesudo work for you? [17:20] technically they should be the same thing, kdesu is symlinked to kdesudo [17:20] oh I think it did but it was unable to sniff [17:21] meh [17:21] b0rkage [17:24] stdin: because it involves things of a specific length of bits [17:24] Nightrose: thanks, good luck [17:25] Riddell: yeah, I'm just reading through all of it now. doen't look like something easy to fix === \sh is now known as \sh_away [17:53] stdin, nixternal: kde 4.0.2 extragear tars are up if either of you want to start packaging it [17:53] also kde 4.0.2 proper if you fancy (I'm about to leave now for a long weekend) === luka74 is now known as Lure [18:24] Riddell: w00t, grabbing them now from ktown [18:25] do we need to file FFe for the packages as well? [18:29] nixternal: shouldn't have to, they're bug fix only [18:40] nixternal: I believe Scott got a global exception for us anyway [18:56] Riddell: they are new upstream releases too, ScottK you are the MOTU-Release dude, what is your policy on this? :) [18:56] jpatrick: rock on, just noticed that :) [19:04] hrmm anyone else having problems accessing brainstorm.ubuntu.com? [19:05] I can access it [19:05] hell, how come I never knew of this? [19:06] nixternal: because you are a mushroom :P [19:06] hey, I am growing up in the world then :) [19:06] I have never been called a mushroom before, I kind of like that one [19:06] i just get page can't be displayed [19:06] I can see it fine jjesse [19:07] hrm i bet its cause i am running vista [19:07] an evil plan to make me reboot back to ubuntu [19:07] nixternal: because it is new? [19:07] ;-) [19:07] who exactly is the Ubuntu QA team made up of? [19:07] they are the ones that put it together [19:08] Riddell: have you compiled anything with qt 4.4? i'm getting very annoyed by http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158523 [19:08] KDE bug 158523 in general "Drawing artifact, last line doesn't update" [Normal,New] [19:08] nixternal: mushroom = live in the dark, fed $h*t :P [19:11] ooh, I did not know that [19:11] see, you learn something new every day [19:11] and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, boy are they wrong [19:12] heheh [19:16] mythbusters on discovery channel busted that myth, they made two old dogs do a bunch of new tricks in under a week :) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [19:29] \sh: for our linuxtag booth: http://www.czessi.de/de/files/weblog/poster/cimg0316.jpg [19:32] <\sh> Czessi: strike :) [19:33] man polyester has a weird bug in it, and it is only the polyester style that has it [20:03] does anybody get suspend/hibernate options in Kickoff's Leave tab? [20:04] nope - I only get them in the logout dialog then [20:04] but they don´t work here [20:05] Nightrose: same here [20:05] code is there, just does not seem to work... [20:05] hmm [20:06] Lure» I get them, but they don't work [20:07] actually, even guidance-power-manager doesn't work in kde4 [20:07] nosrednaekim: also in Kickoff (Leave tab) or just in logout dialog? [20:07] (suspend)... the oter stuff works [20:07] you get them in kickoff? [20:07] Lure» ah... hum, the log-out dialog.... I don't use kickoff [20:12] * Nightrose is currently browsing launchpad looking for a nice little bug to fix while she waits for the ksniffer guy to answer her mail - if anyone got something lying around please tell [20:14] * jussi01 cries at sysinfo still being broken [20:19] Riddell» desktop-effects-kde is in main [20:19] Riddell» and I guess it needs to be a dependency of kubuntu-desktop.... [20:20] <\sh> Nightrose: bug #999999999 : i need pizza,-) [20:21] \sh» /me marks it as invalid and incomplete [20:21]