[00:54] <wbrady> ffm: ayt?
[00:55] <ffm> wbrady: yepper.
[00:55] <wbrady> is there anything you can do with that question i put up in launchpad itself?
[00:56] <ffm> wbrady: what'cha need?
[00:56] <ffm> keep in mind I'll be AFK in 5 min for 10 mins
[00:56] <ffm> wbrady: url?
[00:57]  * ffm is afk
[00:57] <wbrady> url of project or question?
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #196320 in malone "Bug reporting page asks for package when distribution has no packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196320
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #196322 in soyuz ""All source packages" page empty when distribution doesn't use Launchpad for packaging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196322
[01:14] <ffm> wbrady: the question.
[01:16] <ffm> so much for taht.
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #196329 in launchpad "Queries are using random() when config sets them False" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196329
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #196331 in malone "Possible to subvert Importance permissions using retargeting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196331
[02:04] <jjesse> trying to commit branch and getting error message bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-hardy/.bzr/repository/lock): Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
[02:07] <spiv> jjesse: you cannot commit to a http:// URL.
[02:09] <jjesse> spiv: so how do i make it commit to an bzr+ssh url?
[02:09] <spiv> jjesse: if you are a member of the ubuntu-core-doc team, then you can use "bzr bind bzr+ssh://YOUR_LP_USERNAME@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core/kubuntu-hardy" (possibly using "bzr unbind" first) to switch your checkout to use the writeable location for that branch.
[02:09] <jjesse> bzr commit bzr+ssh and then the locatioN?
[02:10] <spiv> Hmm, or just "bzr switch bzr+ssh://..."
[02:11] <jjesse> spiv: thanks i think it worked
[02:13] <jjesse> yup that worked thanks spiv
[02:14] <spiv> jjesse: glad I could help.
[02:25] <mpt> GO LAUNCHPAD GO
[02:25] <Hobbsee> it won't.
[02:26] <spiv> That's right, you're stuck with it ;)
[02:27] <mpt> Hobbsee, your relentless optimism is delightful
[02:27] <Hobbsee> mpt: or maybe it's already gone...
[02:28] <Hobbsee> mpt: it's a slight habit of playing devil's advocate, i'm afraid
[02:29] <jml> *you're* afraid?
[02:29] <jml> ;)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> jml: sure, i'm afraid a lot.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> i just don't show it on irc :)
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #196344 in launchpad ""Programming language:" vs. "...list of programming languages..."" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196344
[03:55] <mwhudson> bug 88286
[03:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 88286 in loggerhead "Loggerhead does not escape special characters when embedding a revision ID in a URL" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88286 - Assigned to Robey Pointer (robey)
[04:07] <jamesh> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/displayconfig-gtk/+bug/144641 <- that's a lot of dupes
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144641 in displayconfig-gtk "displayconfig-gtk should generate an randr 1.2 configuration where possible" [Critical,In progress]  - Assigned to Bryce Harrington (bryceharrington)
[04:08] <RAOF> jamesh: That's because displayconfig-gtk is utterly broken, and quite prominent :)
[04:08] <jamesh> and they decided to dupe all the bugs against the one I filed ...
[04:24] <mpt> BjornT, what do you think of the idea of including CVEs as rows in the "Affects" table?
[04:42] <mwhudson> can i change which series a milestone is targeted for?
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #196364 in rosetta ""Upload a file" link available when I don't have permission" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196364
[05:01] <mtaylor> launchpad down? 
[05:07] <mwhudson> mtaylor: no?
[05:08] <mtaylor> mwhudson: mmm. working again
[05:15] <mtaylor> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/memcached/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[05:38] <icculus> Hey there, does anyone happen to know how long it takes to get a translation imported into launchpad? Days? Weeks? I've got one that's sitting there on "Needs Review" and I was curious how long they tend to stay in that state...
[05:39] <icculus> (for future time management planning, if nothing else.)
[05:40] <jamesh> icculus: the first time needs to be approved manually, but after that it should go through automatically
[05:41] <jamesh> icculus: the translations developers work on European time, so should be around in a few hours if you want to speak to them directly
[05:41] <icculus> cool; I'll stick around.   :)
[05:41] <icculus> thanks
[06:43] <jamesh> danilos: icculus was asking about a translation template in the import queue earlier.  Are you able to help him?
[06:53] <icculus> danilos: ...specifically, I think I'm here to beg someone to approve my .pot file import.  :)
[06:53] <danilos> icculus: it's very early in the morning here (8am), so I am not fully awake yet, but I can try to help if it's a non-controversial case :)
[06:55] <icculus> danilos: I don't think it's controversial, mostly I was curious how long it usually takes to get a .pot approved for import.
[06:55] <icculus> https://translations.launchpad.net/mojosetup/+imports
[06:56] <icculus> (specifically: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12247041/localization.pot )
[06:56] <danilos> icculus: usually less than a week (this is basically about approving your project)
[06:56] <icculus> danilos: okay, thanks
[06:57] <icculus> danilos: go back to sleep, 8am is too early to be awake.   :)
[06:58] <danilos> icculus: you aware of the https://help.launchpad.net/TranslationsImportPolicy ?
[06:58] <icculus> danilos: I was not, but I'll read it now.
[06:59] <danilos> icculus: hehe, will do so in a minute, approving this is short, I just want to make sure you understand what you are getting into :) specifically, it means that you should have all translators do the translations over Launchpad so there is no duplicate work, or at least lock-down some languages (using translation groups, which requires us to create them again :)
[06:59] <danilos> 'over Launchpad' can also mean downloading a PO file, translating offline, and uploading back
[07:00] <icculus> danilos: I'm not planning to have external translators, just launchpad.
[07:01] <danilos> icculus: cool, thanks for clarifying, I've approved the file, it should be imported in a few minutes, so you can direct translators at https://translations.launchpad.net/mojosetup/ as soon as that is done and you marked mojosetup as officially using LP for translations
[07:01] <icculus> danilos: great, thank you very much!
[07:01]  * danilos crawls back to bed :)
[07:02] <icculus> :)
[07:03] <danilos> icculus: btw, the import failed, likely due to a missing PO header (i.e. a msgid "" and a special msgstr "", see gettext documentation to see how it looks like, or generate one with xgettext)
[07:04] <icculus> hhm, okay.
[07:04] <icculus> Is there a way to figure out which part it doesn't like?
[07:04] <danilos> icculus: further approvals should not be necessary if you use the same path name or upload directly at https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/mojosetup/trunk/+pots/mojosetup
[07:04] <danilos> icculus: you should have gotten an email I think
[07:05] <icculus> okay, thanks
[07:05] <icculus> I don't want to make you stay awake any longer.   :)
[07:06] <danilos> icculus: yeah, I'll be back later, so if there are any problems, just ping me :)
[07:06] <icculus> danilos: thank you again
[07:06] <danilos> icculus: np
[07:42] <mithro> how does one go about getting a project converted to a project group?
[07:56] <mithro> well it appears the correct way is to post a question on Launchpad - I have done so now - https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/25816
[10:44] <BUGabundo> hi guys and galls
[10:44] <BUGabundo> can an LP admin look at bug 150900?
[10:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150900 in apt "apt_preferences man page typo" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150900
[10:45] <BUGabundo> malone aint reading my email messages properly!
[10:46] <BUGabundo> hi Hobbsee. how is life been treating you?
[10:46]  * BUGabundo this is not a sexual harassment!
[10:46]  * BUGabundo just simple chit chat!
[10:47] <TFKyle> lies!
[10:47] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[10:47] <BUGabundo> envy are we, TFKyle?
[10:48] <TFKyle> nope
[10:48] <BUGabundo> ok
[10:49] <BUGabundo> so, how is life treating YOU, TFKyle?
[10:50] <Hobbsee> hey BUGabundo 
[10:50] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: been at uni.  was fun :)
[10:50] <BUGabundo> hey girl
[10:50] <BUGabundo> classes start again next week....
[10:50] <BUGabundo> can't wait to be there until 23.30 at night 
[10:50]  * BUGabundo irony
[11:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[11:01] <mwhudson> mpt: practising for when you're back in the uk?
[11:02] <mpt> No, it really is the morning
[11:02] <Fujitsu> Just.
[11:02] <Fujitsu> Very just.
[11:02] <mwhudson> hm, i guess
[11:03] <mpt> Ok, I'm confused about how to change the status of a bug report
[11:03] <mpt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/127895
[11:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127895 in launchpad "Title of artefact too far from the content of the artefact" [Medium,Confirmed]  - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[11:03] <mpt> I want to set it as In Progress
[11:03] <mpt> but not for the 1.2 series
[11:03] <mpt> 1.2 milestone, rather
[11:04] <mpt> Is that a milestone, or a series, or a release? I can't tell
[11:04] <Fujitsu> It's not the first, at any rate.
[11:04] <Fujitsu> Is it possible to remove the conjoinedness of them? I've never seen an option.
[11:04] <mithro> Is there a way to either disable the code button or point it to our git code repository?
[11:05]  * Fujitsu doesn't believe so.
[11:05] <Fujitsu> Until Launchpad can import git, that is.
[11:06] <mpt> mithro, good point, no there isn't
[11:06] <mpt> You can say that a project doesn't use Launchpad for bug tracking
[11:06] <mpt> you can say that a project doesn't use Launchpad for translations
[11:06] <mpt> but you can't say that it doesn't use Launchpad for code hosting
[11:06] <mithro> mpt: dang :/
[11:07] <Fujitsu> There doesn't need to be an option for that, because the code hosting functionality already allows hosting elsewhere.
[11:07] <Fujitsu> Just not git.
[11:07] <mpt> hmm
[11:07] <mpt> right
[11:07] <Fujitsu> Ideally there would be an option for some arbitrary URL.
[11:07] <Fujitsu> Or to import every conceivable VCS, but that's unlikely...
[11:07] <mpt> and Launchpad would poke the URL and auto-detect what kind of VCS it was
[11:07] <mpt> like for bug trackers
[11:08] <spiv> Well, some URLs are self-evident.  "git://..."
[11:08] <mpt> bug 104564
[11:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104564 in launchpad-bazaar "git based import for projects inaddition to cvs and svn import" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104564
[11:08] <Fujitsu> That would be goo.
[11:08] <mpt> Launchpad is all goo
[11:08] <mpt> That's why it's lime green :-)
[11:08] <Fujitsu> (my d key is pretty much dead, sorry)
[11:09] <mwhudson> you could register a remote branch, mayhap
[11:09] <mwhudson> though, uh, the constraints probably wouldn't allow git://
[11:18] <mpt> BjornT, how do I get rid of the 1.2 series from the bug report?
[11:21] <bigon> Hi, I get a timeout error when trying to access https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu with id error OOPS-789EA33
[11:21] <Fujitsu> There's a bug on that.
[11:21]  * Fujitsu hunts.
[11:22] <Fujitsu> Bug #196257
[11:22] <ubotu> Bug 196257 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/196257 is private
[11:22] <mpt> If there is, it's not one with the 'timeout' tag
[11:22] <Fujitsu> Baah.
[11:22]  * Fujitsu stabs.
[11:22] <Fujitsu> Seriously guys, is it necessary?>
[11:22] <mpt> Is what necessary?
[11:22] <Fujitsu> Making such things private.
[11:23] <Fujitsu> I guess you need private comments...
[11:23] <mithro> can anyone deal with https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/25816 ?
[11:23] <spiv> I don't see anything in that bug that makes it worth being private.
[11:23] <Fujitsu> Hmm, that's not private.
[11:23] <Fujitsu> It isn't private. I can see it.
[11:23] <Fujitsu> But ubotu can't.
[11:24] <Fujitsu> That is strange.
[11:24] <mpt> oh rly?
[11:24] <spiv> Oh, hmm.  It's probably a bug in ubotu then...
[11:24] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[11:24] <Fujitsu> The dupe is private.
[11:24] <Fujitsu> Sorry, the thing it's a dupe of.
[11:24] <Fujitsu> And ubotu always tries to look that up as well.
[11:24] <spiv> Ah, that'd be the bug.
[11:25] <spiv> ubotu could handle that better, I think.
[11:25] <BjornT> mpt: you can't get rid of the series altogether. you have to mark it as won't fix
[11:25] <mpt> and yes, the duplicate target does need to be private, probably
[11:25] <spiv> mpt: yeah
[11:25] <Fujitsu> BjornT: But you can't unconjoin the original task, can you?
[11:25] <mpt> BjornT, it's already marked as Invalid for the series, but now I'm actually fixing the bug, and I want to mark it as In Progress, and I can't
[11:26] <mpt> because it still says "Status tracked in 1.2"
[11:28] <BjornT> Fujitsu: if you mark it as won't fix, it will unconjoin the original task
[11:29] <Fujitsu> Ah, that could be documented.
[11:29] <BjornT> yeah...
[11:29] <mpt> So Won't Fix does that, and Invalid doesn't?
[11:29] <mpt> iiiiiinteresting
[11:29] <mpt> Thanks BjornT!
[11:29] <Fujitsu> It's good to require the extra privilege.
[11:30] <Fujitsu> But please, document that somewhere obvious. It does make sense, which is probably why nobody's worked it out before...
[11:30] <BjornT> mpt: right. if the bug is invalid in the current development series, it's considered to be invalid overall. it it's "won't fix", the bug is still valid, and may be fixed in a later series.
[11:31] <mpt> Hmm, that might be news to the Launchpad developers who've been using them synonymously :-)
[11:35] <Fujitsu> Is there still no way to switch contexts in a bug without manually constructing the URL?
[11:36] <Fujitsu> And are distribution bugs meant to lack a +nominate? They have a link to the page, but it isn't actually there...
[11:37] <mpt> Fujitsu, the answer to your first question is yes
[11:38] <mpt> Can you give an example URL for your second question?
[11:38] <Fujitsu> https://staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/190004
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190004 in xf86-input-evtouch "Please merge xf86-input-evdev 0.8.7-3 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] 
[11:38] <Fujitsu> THe nomination link in the actions portlet.
[11:41] <Fujitsu> I have to say that it's probably more appropriate for the pillar field in the bug task table to link to the task.
[11:41] <Fujitsu> Once there, one can easily click on Overview.
[11:41] <BjornT> Fujitsu: why do you need to switch the context in the bug?
[11:41] <Fujitsu> BjornT: Because of that bug, for one.
[11:42] <Fujitsu> Also, if on one context, I can't nominate for a series in another context, can I?
[11:42] <Fujitsu> Or maybe I can, but I shouldn't be able to.
[11:42] <Fujitsu> I think I filed a bug on that.
[11:42] <Fujitsu> Because it means we often have 4x as many tasks as we need.
[11:43] <BjornT> Fujitsu: ok. i think the correct fix there is to allow you to nominate from any context. it's easier if you don't have to care about the context.
[11:43] <BjornT> Fujitsu: oh. you're talking about source packages in the same distro here, right?
[11:43] <Fujitsu> BjornT: Correct.
[11:44] <Fujitsu> If context in fact ends up not mattering, why show the current context at all?
[11:44] <BjornT> Fujitsu: that's a bit special. there has been some discussions about that; some people want one nomination per package, some prefer how it works today.
[11:44] <Fujitsu> Bug #110195
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110195 in malone "Nomination for a release on one source package shouldn't affect any others" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/110195
[11:44] <BjornT> Fujitsu: it still matters today, but i don't think it should matter.
[11:47] <mpt> Fujitsu, how often and how well do people use nominations in Ubuntu?
[11:47] <Fujitsu> mpt: We use them extensively for every stable release update and security update.
[11:47] <mpt> Like 6.06.2, for example?
[11:47] <Fujitsu> Perhaps it would make sense to have the nomination link somewhere under +editstatus.
[11:47] <Fujitsu> No.
[11:47] <Fujitsu> That's a point release, which rolls up multiple stable release updates.
[11:48] <Fujitsu> SRUs are single package fixes.
[11:49] <mpt> oh, ok
[11:49] <mpt> like how Gimp was updated in 7.10
[11:49] <Fujitsu> That's an SRU, right.
[11:50] <Fujitsu> A very special one, I must say.
[11:51] <Fujitsu> For a security update bug example, see the last comment in that bug I referenced before.
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #196500 in malone "Unexplained that only "Won't Fix" series status makes main bug status changeable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196500
[12:01] <mpt> I see
[12:03] <mpt> It took me a looong time, looking at that bug report, to realize how it was possible for a bug to be "Fix Released" for python 2.5 but not for any of that item's child items (Dapper, Edgy, Feisty, Gutsy)
[12:03] <mpt> because it's fixed in Hardy (though Hardy isn't Released, but that's a separate issue)
[12:03]  * Hobbsee no longer feels bad about how it takes so long for 8her8 to understand how to use variosu bug statuses, and other pieces of launchpad
[12:04] <Fujitsu> That should have been nominated for Hardy too, sorry.
[12:04] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: X restart time?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah.  again ;9
[12:04] <Fujitsu> Some people have different uses of release nomination. Some nominate for the current release, others don't.
[12:05] <mpt> well, that's not good
[12:05] <Fujitsu> Launchpad doesn't provide a single way to do it.
[12:06] <Fujitsu> A bug task by default represents the current release.
[12:06] <Fujitsu> But there's also the option of nominating it for the current release.
[12:07] <mpt> What happens if it's a Critical bug that has never occurred in the development release, but occurs in the last LTS?
[12:07] <mpt> "Ubuntu" shouldn't represent the development release in that case, should it?
[12:07] <Fujitsu> Then you mark the bug as Invalid, and nominate it for that release.
[12:08] <Fujitsu> It would all make a lot more sense if we had version tracking.
[12:10] <mpt> How would that work better than the status quo?
[12:10] <Fujitsu> You could eliminate the Ubuntu task entirely.
[12:11] <Fujitsu> There's no need for it if you know which version of the package it's found in.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you forgot to mention the dealing with the flames, as the zomgcritical bug was marked invalid.
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: and the users confusion, etc
[12:13] <Hobbsee> ;0
[12:14] <Fujitsu> Ah yes.
[12:14] <mpt> Fujitsu, but a bug can be fixed in package version x.y.z in Ubuntu Kvetchy while remaining unfixed in the same version x.y.z in Ubuntu Jumpy, right?
[12:14] <Fujitsu> mpt: They're not the same version.
[12:14] <mpt> Never?
[12:15] <Fujitsu> That's a limitation of the package pool system. Package versions are unique.
[12:15] <Fujitsu> (within the distribution archive, that is)
[12:15] <Fujitsu> Version x.y.z in Kvetchy is identical to that in Jumpy.
[12:15] <Fujitsu> No matter what.
[12:16] <mpt> Same in Debian?
[12:16] <Fujitsu> Correct.
[12:16] <mpt> Same in Fedora?
[12:16] <Fujitsu> No idea.
[12:16] <Fujitsu> They're very, very different.
[12:16] <mpt> hm
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: you only patch one or the other, though
[12:16] <Hobbsee> or, can only do that
[12:17] <Hobbsee> ie, fixing it in one doesn't automatically fix it in the other
[12:19] <mpt> I wonder how well this would work for end users
[12:19] <mpt> they know which version of Ubuntu they're using
[12:19] <Fujitsu> Right, you have to do it seperately for both, though it would be possible to add a feature to avoid that.
[12:19] <mpt> but they don't know which version of a particular package they're using
[12:20] <mpt> (where by "end users" I mean "the 0.01% who are willing and able to report bugs")
[12:21] <Fujitsu> I guess.
[12:21] <Fujitsu> There aren't many possible versions they could have, but your point still stands.
[12:23] <BUGabundo> since now there so much moviment around here
[12:24] <BUGabundo> can any LP dev look at
[12:24] <BUGabundo> bug 150900?
[12:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150900 in apt "apt_preferences man page typo" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150900
[12:24] <BUGabundo> and see why malone aint reading my email messages properly!
[12:24] <Fujitsu> What's the problem?
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Your status syntax is wrong. Is that it?
[12:25] <BUGabundo> I don't so
[12:25] <BUGabundo> I wrote status: new
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Pardon?
[12:25] <Fujitsu> Also wrong.
[12:25] <BUGabundo> as it was in the example
[12:25] <Fujitsu> `  status new'
[12:25] <BUGabundo> hummm
[12:25] <BUGabundo> typo on the example then?
[12:26]  * Fujitsu looks.
[12:26] <Fujitsu> No colon or caps that I can see.
[12:30] <mpt> Fujitsu, is bug 125994 a duplicate of bug 114766?
[12:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125994 in malone "Privileges required for release nomination approval/declination are relaxed to those of the lowest involved component" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125994
[12:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114766 in malone "Only bug contacts should be able to nominate a bug for a release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114766
[12:31] <BjornT> mpt: no. one is about nominating bugs. the other is about approving/rejecting existing nominations
[12:32] <mpt> ah, so they are
[12:32] <Fujitsu> #125994 is rather related to #110195
[12:32] <BUGabundo> ok Fujitsu. I'll try better next time
[12:33]  * BUGabundo Lunch Time
[12:35] <mpt> Fujitsu, Hobbsee: for bug 152878, what do you think of putting the information in a tooltip for the package in the "Affects" table?
[12:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152878 in malone "Source package details box hampers bug page context-independence" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152878
[12:36] <Fujitsu> That might work.
[12:36] <mpt> e.g. "Latest version x.y.z-ubuntu-1 in main, uploaded by Petunia Flowers, maintained by Universe Team"
[12:41] <Hobbsee> mpt: define tooltop here?
[12:42] <mpt> Hobbsee, HTML title=
[12:44] <Hobbsee> mpt: of that panel, or?
[12:44]  * Hobbsee is dense, apparently.
[12:44] <mpt> of just the package name
[12:45] <mpt> e.g. <td><a href="..." title="Latest version x.y.z-ubuntu-1 in main, uploaded by Petunia Flowers, maintained by Universe Team">firefox</a></td>
[12:45]  * Hobbsee is still dense.
[12:45] <Hobbsee> oh right
[12:45] <mpt> so (in a graphical browser) when you hover over the package name, you get the info about that package
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #196510 in rosetta ""Hardware Drivers" untranslatable" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196510
[12:45] <Hobbsee> i wasn't aware that launchpad even *did* tooltips..
[12:46] <Fujitsu> Lots of things have tooltips.
[12:46] <Fujitsu> Datetimes being some of the more useful ones.
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hmm.  hadn't seen that one before
[12:47] <Hobbsee> i kinda expect tooltips to appear for different coloured text
[12:48] <Hobbsee> mpt: i dont' really see how that helps, tbh
[12:48] <Hobbsee> mpt: is that supposed to replace the panel?
[12:48] <mpt> yes
[12:49] <mpt> so we can make the bug page (very nearly) the same regardless of context
[12:49] <Fujitsu> The panel definitely needs to go, but it's going to be difficult to replace.
[12:49] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[12:49] <mpt> and, so we can show the info for every package, not just the one whose context you happen to be looking at the bug in.
[13:12] <ubotu> New bug: #196527 in malone "Current series is represented inconsistently in multi-target distribution bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196527
[13:30] <BUGabundo> fast question OT: what should I do instead of "cat http://pt.cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/MD5SUMS" that actully works?
[13:32] <Fujitsu> BUGabundo: wget -O - http://some/uri?
[13:34] <BUGabundo> nope, Fujitsu
[13:34] <Fujitsu> Doesn't that work?
[13:34] <BUGabundo> it just saves it, won't chow it
[13:34] <BUGabundo> *show
[13:34] <Fujitsu> -O -
[13:34] <Fujitsu> That sends it to stdout.
[13:34] <BUGabundo> wait!
[13:34]  * BUGabundo looks closer!
[13:34] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhh
[13:34] <BUGabundo> font letters was too small
[13:34] <BUGabundo> two ctrl+'+' did the trick
[13:35] <Fujitsu> You may want to throw in a -q somewhere to shut it up, too
[13:35] <BUGabundo> eheh
[13:35] <BUGabundo> I've reported a bug against wget
[13:35]  * Fujitsu heads to bed.
[13:35] <Fujitsu> Why?
[13:35] <BUGabundo> because it would write a file
[13:35] <BUGabundo> even if you told him not to
[13:35] <BUGabundo> back in the days...
[13:36] <BUGabundo> its still there on LP and gnu tracker
[13:36] <Fujitsu> WFM
[13:36] <BUGabundo> enh??
[13:36] <Fujitsu> -O - doesn't create a file.
[13:37] <BUGabundo> bug 135063
[13:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135063 in wget "wget --quite --background leaves a wget.log file" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135063 - Assigned to Micah Cowan (micahcowan)
[13:37] <Fujitsu> Ahh.
[13:37] <Fujitsu> Anyway, night.
[13:37] <BUGabundo> what? already?
[13:37] <BUGabundo> I've just add lunch
[13:37] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:18] <wbrady> can anybody help me with question #25833 or #25435 in launchpad itself?
[14:36] <ubotu> New bug: #196590 in malone "bug expiry: inactive users vs inactive developers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196590
[14:41] <ubotu> New bug: #196595 in rosetta "Remove restricted translation handling" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196595
[16:28] <andrei_> hey guys. I'm new at this and I have a quick question. I'm planning to use bazaar and launchpad together for a project, and I want to keep the development branch hosted on launchpad. How can I give someone else permission to "push" to that branch?
[16:29] <intellectronica> andrei_: yes, you can use a team
[16:29] <andrei_> so all the people who have push rights have to be members of the same team?
[16:29] <intellectronica> andrei_: just add everyone you want to be able to push to the team, and host the branch as that team
[16:29] <intellectronica> andrei_: yes
[16:30] <andrei_> aha, 10x
[16:34] <andrei_> sorry to ask this, but how do I manage the team that I've created (e.g. add members)?
[16:35] <andrei_> got it, sorry
[16:35] <intellectronica> andrei_: cool. and don't be sorry :)
[16:40] <andrei_> and another one :). When pushing to launchpad, using bzr+ssh:// is the same as lp:// ?
[16:45] <andrei_> and is it normal for a push of a 1 line change to take minutes to complete?
[17:44] <wbrady> I really need some help as soon as possible if anybody can: question #25833 and #25435 in launchpad itself
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #196661 in launchpad-answers "Email reply triggered a ProgrammingError" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196661
[17:59] <Rinchen> anyone want to have a meeting in #launchpad-meeting? ;-)
[18:06] <ubotu> New bug: #196669 in launchpad "Change mirror owner to someone who doesn't have a preferred email set crashes the +review form" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196669
[18:22] <ffm> I need a project made into a super project, can someone help me with that?
[18:22] <thumper> ffm: ask a question on the launchpad project, and an admin can help
[18:22] <ffm> thumper: an admin hasn't responded for a while. its been days.
[18:23] <thumper> ffm: which question?
[18:23] <ffm> thumper: #25833 and #25435.
[18:24] <ffm> thumper: on the latter, the former was just made.
[18:24] <ffm> 25435 is old, and more important.
[18:25] <thumper> ffm: ack
[18:26] <ffm> thumper: much appricated. Funny thing is, when I ask, it is answered, but when my friend asks (wbrady)...
[18:26] <thumper> ffm: it depends who is listening at the time
[18:26] <thumper> ffm: it's nothing personal
[18:27] <kiko> ffm, I'm busy all this week, ping me monday to sort it out for you
[18:27] <ffm> kiko: will do.
[18:27] <ubotu> New bug: #196679 in rosetta "ValueError on +language-packs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196679
[18:33] <moomo1> any admin here?
[18:38] <thumper> moomo1: yes but he's busy
[18:38] <thumper> moomo1: feel free to ask away
[18:43] <thumper> moomo1: so did you have a question or were you just curious?
[18:43] <Rinchen> next meeting changed
[18:46] <moomo1> thumper: i need data removed from a bugreport
[18:46] <thumper> moomo1: you need to be more explicit
[18:47] <thumper> moomo1: like what data on which bug report and why
[18:49] <moomo1> thumper, i only say to admin, cuz my bug report contain private data, so he need remove it
[18:49] <moomo1> so i can only talk to admin so only he knows
[18:49] <moomo1> i accidently put private data in it
[18:49] <moomo1> username, hostname, etc
[18:49] <kiko> moomo1, ask a question on answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[18:51] <cbx33> hey BjornT 
[18:51] <cbx33> still busted
[18:51] <moomo1> i did, admin dont reply to it
[18:53] <kiko> hey cbx33 
[18:53] <kiko> moomo1, that's because I'm really busy this week
[18:54] <moomo1> kiko: you're the only admin on launchpad?
[18:54] <kiko> moomo1, no, mthaddon can also help;.
[18:55] <moomo1> oh
[18:55] <moomo1> mthaddon: you there?
[18:55] <mthaddon> moomo1, here
[18:55] <moomo1> its ok to priv msg you?
[18:55] <mthaddon> sure
[19:00] <mthaddon> moomo1, whenever you're ready - or you can email me if you like 
[19:00] <moomo1> mthaddon, but i have PM you, didnt you see it?
[19:00] <mthaddon> don't see anything...
[19:00] <moomo1> oh
[19:01] <mthaddon> I've just PM-ed you - you see it?
[19:01] <moomo1> yes i saw it
[19:01] <moomo1> and i replied to it
[19:01] <mthaddon> weird, I don't see your reply
[19:01] <moomo1> ok, pm me a channel to join with a random name, and we both join it
[19:01] <LarstiQ> moomo1: is your nick registered?
[19:01] <moomo1> no
[19:02] <mthaddon> aha
[19:03] <moomo1> ok i mail
[19:03] <mthaddon> cool
[19:05] <moomo1> okay, i have mailed it to you now
[19:15] <mthaddon> moomo1, have edited, rather than deleting the original - let me know if that's what you had in mind
[19:17] <moomo1> okie
[19:17] <moomo1> mthaddon: ok perfect, you removed all private data, its good, thats what i had in mind
[19:17] <mthaddon> cool
[19:17] <moomo1> very much appreciated!
[19:17] <mthaddon> no problem
[19:17] <moomo1> mthaddon++
[19:18] <moomo1> !karma mthaddon +
[19:18] <moomo1> oh no bot here
[19:26] <ubotu> New bug: #196703 in launchpad "Incorrect registration attribution after changing owner of mirror" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196703
[20:00] <BjornT> cbx33: right. we have a fix for it, though, so it should work better tomorrow.
[20:23] <bdmurray> BjornT: where does "Binary package hint:"? come from in a bug report?
[20:38] <ffm> mthaddon: ping
[20:38] <mthaddon> ffm, hi
[20:39] <ffm> mthaddon: can you make a project into a superproject?
[20:39] <ffm> mthaddon: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/25435
[20:39] <mthaddon> ffm, technically speaking I can, but kiko would need to approve it - I'll make sure he takes a look at it for you
[20:40] <ffm> mthaddon: thanks. can you delete projects?
[20:40] <ffm> s/projects/groups
[20:40] <mthaddon> ffm, yep
[20:40] <ffm> mthaddon: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/25833
[20:40] <mthaddon> ok, will take care of that one
[20:49] <BjornT> bdmurray: it's when people try to file bugs on binary packages. it gets automatically filed on the corresponding source package, and the "Binary package hint:" specifies which package the user tried to file the bug on.
[20:53] <bdmurray> BjornT: Great, that clears things up.  Thanks.
[21:25] <blueyed> PPA uploads (after building successfully) are failing?! http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12279737/pMIqfg7anXtPOsFIO6lefoOov8D.txt
[21:28] <Fujitsu> blueyed: Did you leave a description field off any of your sources or binaries?
[21:29] <geser> wasn't this fixed in dpkg?
[21:33] <geser> blueyed: virtualbox-ose-modules-{386,generic,server,virtual} meta packages are missing a Description
[22:19] <blueyed> Fujitsu, geser: thanks.. missed that obviously.
[22:21] <james_w> Hi. I'm trying to push the first package to my PPA and it won't build, as it can't download the Packages.gz for the PPA, as there isn't one, as this is the first package. Is this a known issue?
[22:21] <james_w> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12280155/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.hello_2.2-2ubuntu1_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[22:25] <Fujitsu> james_w: It is known. Just retry the build.
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[22:27] <james_w> Fujitsu: can I just dput the same packages, or do I need to bump the version number?
[22:28] <stdin> james_w: just retry the build, click on it and choose the "retry" link
[22:29] <james_w> stdin: sorry, I can't see where to click.
[22:29] <james_w> I'm on my +archive page.
[22:30] <Fujitsu> james_w: Find the page for the build which failed.
[22:30] <stdin> from your +archive/+builds page
[22:31] <stdin> https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all should show it
[22:32] <james_w> got it now, thanks.
[22:32] <james_w> I can't see a bug for this issue, should I file one?
[22:33] <Fujitsu> james_w: I thought there was one. /me looks.
[22:35] <james_w> I'm looking at everything on soyuz tagged ppa, so I might have missed it.
[22:40] <Fujitsu> james_w: I was sure there was one, but can't find it. I suggest filing one.
[22:49] <ubotu> New bug: #196777 in launchpad-bazaar "Typing a wrong value into a branch field gives unhelpful error message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196777
[22:51] <ubotu> New bug: #196779 in blueprint "Hard to find linked branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196779
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #196782 in soyuz "First build in a new PPA fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196782
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #196783 in malone "X-Launchpad-Bug header reports component=None for packages not in Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196783
[23:01] <james_w> thanks Fujitsu.
[23:19] <Daviey> erm, build fail, unsure why it was trying to reference my ppa - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12281053/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.bongo_20070203-2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz
[23:20] <james_w> Daviey: that's the same problem I just had.
[23:21] <james_w> it references your PPA so that you can build packages against libraries you have just updated in there and similar.
[23:21] <james_w> Daviey: go to https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all and click on a record and select retry.
[23:26] <Daviey> james_w: done
[23:26] <james_w> Daviey: you should now get successful builds.
[23:26] <Daviey> looking good!
[23:26] <Daviey> thanks
[23:35] <macogw> er im not sure this is the right place to ask, but im trying to add my blog to Planet Ubuntu, and it said it was locked, so i did bzr break-lock and answered yes, then tried to commit my blog to it and still says its locked, but now it says i locked it, and every time i break the lock, it just re-locks
[23:35] <macogw> how do i fix that and join the Planet?
[23:41] <Fujitsu> Someone's patient.