[00:29] <Talon218> I'm recieving a core dump everytime I run a java gui
[00:29] <rsk> =(
[00:29] <rsk> how rude
[00:29] <Talon218> ??
[00:30] <rsk> to dump infront of you :P
[00:30] <Talon218> lol
[00:30] <rsk> no idea thou.
[00:30] <Talon218> *tear
[00:31] <Talon218> do you have any ideas on where to look for an answer
[00:31] <Talon218> I search for "hardy java" in the forums and got nothing
[00:33] <RAOF> Talon218: That'd be java 1.6, yes?
[00:33] <Talon218> i believe so
[00:33] <RAOF> Everyone loves stupid proprietary crap!
[00:33] <rsk> maybe try icedtea
[00:33] <RAOF> So, the best answer would be to try icedtea, but that's not yet complete.
[00:34] <Talon218> i installed netbeans and i saw netbeans install w/ it
[00:34] <Talon218> i saw icedtea install w/ it ^
[00:34] <RAOF> Failing that, you can export the LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 environment variable, which should mask the symptoms.
[00:35] <Linuturk> Wisdom teeth removal hurts
[00:35] <Talon218> ... wow way past me
[00:36] <Talon218> cool thanks... will this cause other problems though??
[00:36] <joejojo> hey everyone
[00:36] <joejojo> having a problem with libxklavier12
[00:37] <joejojo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57644/
[00:38] <joejojo> am i like residually stoned or something or just blind?
[00:38] <joejojo> =P
[00:43] <cdm10> Wow, the Alpha 5 CD is COMPLETELY broken.
[00:43] <Pici> in half?
[00:43] <cdm10> The installer goes to a manual partition-editor but it has no buttons enabled
[00:43] <cdm10> Pici: it doesn't do the normal thing where it asks how you want it partitioned, it just goes straight to the manual one, which, for some reason, is unresponsive
[00:43] <cdm10> this is running in a VM with a completely blank, unformatted disk
[00:55] <AtomicSpark> i have this old netserver, duel pII (unknown speed) 256 pc100 ram 2x 8gb scsi hd. any ideas of something nifty to do with it?
[01:08] <darrend> hi - just upgraded to hardy and appear to have a none-smp kernel on my dual core box.  How do I get smp back again?
[01:09] <credible> darrend: just use the -generic kernel
[01:09] <darrend> hmm.. thought that's what I was using.. it's switched to -386
[01:09] <darrend> must be the grub config - changed default?
[01:10] <willis_> Hmm.
[01:10] <credible> 386 is always prefered over -generic if it's installed
[01:10] <willis_> !find -generic
[01:10] <credible> I don't know how it got installed though
[01:10] <ubotu> Found: E:
[01:10] <willis_>  uname -a
[01:10] <willis_> Linux kitchen 2.6.24-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 14 20:40:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:11] <willis_> Am i missreading that - generic has 'smp'
[01:11] <willis_> i dont even see a -386  in the repos.
[01:12] <willis_> linux-386 - Complete Linux kernel on 386.
[01:12] <willis_> there it is. :)
[01:13] <credible> sorry, I was abbreviating :)
[01:16] <mEck0> Hi! when I try to start netbeans 6 (using hardy alpha 5) I get the following error: " java: xcb_xlib.c:82: xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed.
[01:16] <mEck0> ./../platform7/lib/nbexec: line 440: 30031 Aborted                 (core dumped) "
[01:17] <mEck0> how can I fix it? I fixed it in some way with help from a kind person here in alpha4, but since update manager upgraded to alpha5, it's not working again ;(
[01:19] <sarah__> i installed alpha 4, and just downloaded jockey-common, but wouldnt install because it said python-central was at too old of a version :( help?
[01:20] <sarah__> (cant do aptitude update yet; networking drivers broken)
[01:25] <RAOF> mEck0: Either use icedtea, which has that hideous bug fixed, or set the LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK environment variable to 1 to mask the symptoms.
[01:27] <mEck0> RAOF, how can I set the sentence in the env.variable? whats the name of the file?
[01:28] <RAOF> mEck0: Depends on the shell you're using and stuff.  "export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1" in a terminal before running the program you're after (from that same terminal) should work.
[01:28] <RAOF> System-wide, I think /etc/environment is what you want.
[01:29]  * credible suggests ~/.bashrc
[01:29]  * RAOF points out that ~/.bashrc will only work for running apps from a terminal
[01:29] <RAOF> Also, hi.
[01:29] <credible> oh :/
[01:29] <willis_> Hmm.. actually dosent .bashrc get ran by X when it starts up?
[01:30] <credible> it should affect everything indirectly
[01:30] <willis_> not sure how to test that heh heh...
[01:30] <willis_> I thought ive set env variables in .bashrc that were set for all the X apps befor.
[01:30] <RAOF> willis_: I don't see why .bashrc should be run by X on startup.  There's the xsession stuff, but those would be run with dash, not bash.
[01:30] <mEck0> RAOF, do I need to restart something after I added the line in /etc/environment?
[01:31] <RAOF> mEck0: A full restart should do it.
[01:31] <willis_> RAOF,  right.. But im not sure how to test/prove it one way or the other. :)  launch a shell  with dash i guess.
[01:31] <mEck0> ok, brb, thx
[01:34] <jworkman01> I just upgraded to hardy and am being shown a crash with the update-manager. When I try to fix it, it wont repair itself. I've used synaptic as well to fix it and still nothing. Any ideas?
[01:35] <Jordan_U> jworkman01, Broken package
[01:35] <jworkman01> Jordan: Yes
[01:35] <Jordan_U> jworkman01, Should be fixed in an update sometime soon
[01:35] <jworkman01> Jordan: But nothing can be done about it now on my end, right?
[01:35] <Jordan_U> jworkman01, Two packages are trying to overwrite the same file
[01:36] <mEck0> RAOF, netbeans 6 starts perfectly now! thx a lot!
[01:36] <Jordan_U> jworkman01, You can force one to overwrite the other's version, but I am not sure the side effects of that
[01:36]  * mEck0 writes down the solution immediately
[01:37] <jworkman01> Jordan: Can I do apt-get remove update-manager and install that portion?
[01:37] <jworkman01> reinstall rather
[01:38] <Jordan_U> jworkman01, You would not be removing update-manager
[01:38] <willis_> !info fuseiso9660
[01:39] <jworkman01> Jordan: I am trying to do the fix again but get the same thing, returned error code (1)
[01:40] <Jordan_U> jworkman01, Check launchpad, I am sure that someone has filed a bug report already, and likely there is a solution posted there
[01:40] <jworkman01> Jordan: Ok thanks!
[01:40] <DanaG> Wow, I just reminded myself of how cryptic ATI's naming is.
[01:40] <DanaG> Mobility Radeon X1350, X1250, x2300... what's the difference?
[01:42] <RAOF> DanaG: Number of kittens you need to sacrifice to get them working.
[01:43] <DanaG> I don't plan to get any IGP things for myself, ever.
[01:43] <rsk> IGP 9100 is pretty nice
[01:44] <DanaG> Isn't that the "forgotten child" one that has no support at all?
[01:47] <rsk> no
[01:47] <rsk> r100 and r200 has full support
[01:51] <RAOF> There's certianly *one* problem-child of the r100/200 era that barely has 2d, let alone 3d.  I can't remember what it is offhand, though.
[01:54] <Raspberry> anybody having issues with opengl / wine?
[01:54] <Raspberry> reboots X every time I try to run a Wine app that uses 3d
[02:05] <DanaG> Heh, my rt2500 cardbus card is only giving a 1-megabit connection.
[02:17] <hackeron> hey, I'm getting the following when I try to install the unichrome module:   xserver-xorg-video-unichrome: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 1:1.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:17] <hackeron> any ideas?
[02:22] <Arwen> PriceChild, um, yay for random bans?
[02:22] <PriceChild> Arwen, quit message
[02:30] <prasanna> hey guys, tryin to figure out this bug i keep getting
[02:30] <prasanna> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libxklavier12_3.4-2_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/libxklavier/xfree86.xml', which is also in package libxklavier11
[02:30] <prasanna> apparently its a known issue
[02:31] <prasanna> but cant seem to find the fix
[02:31] <Raspberry> prasanna: read the topic
[02:32] <prasanna> i hear ya, jus thought someoen might have experience with it since it seems to be an older problem
[02:32] <Raspberry> um
[02:32] <Raspberry> no
[02:32] <Raspberry> it's a new problem
[02:32] <Raspberry> as of today
[02:32] <Raspberry> and it's an easy fix my forcing the install using dpgk
[02:32] <Raspberry> dpkg rather
[02:32] <hischild> Jordan_U, that would be the alternate
[02:32] <prasanna> oh really? googled it thats why, makes sense
[02:33] <prasanna> how do i force the install? pretty new to all this
[02:33] <prasanna> appreciate any help
[02:33] <Raspberry> then you really shouldn't be running Hardy
[02:34] <prasanna> :S
[02:34] <Jordan_U> hischild, I would have tried the LiveCD first, but good luck :)
[02:34] <RAOF> prasanna: Basically, you can ignore it for now.  It'll be fixed by an update.
[02:34] <hischild> Jordan_U, i might try it ... but i knew most of the menu's it gave me ... and yeah, if it fails ... i'll get the live version and give it a shot
[02:34] <Raspberry> if you don't know how to resolve dependencies than running an unstable distribution is just going to be a long frustrating process for you and the people who try to help you :)
[02:35] <prasanna> actually i've had it installed for a while now, first bug i encountered
[02:35] <Raspberry> do a dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archive/libxklavier12_3-4-2_i386.deb
[02:35] <Raspberry> that'll probably do it
[02:36] <prasanna> hey thanks ROAF, appreciate it
[02:36] <prasanna> *RAOF
[02:37] <RAOF> prasanna: However, the comment "you probably don't want to be running Hardy" stands.  Problems like this (and worse) *will* come up until the Beta is released, and possibly after.
[02:38] <prasanna> yup
[02:38] <prasanna> and i understand their point of view
[02:38] <prasanna> probably is, u gotta start somewhere, and i was having issues with gutsy as well, more problems actually
[02:39] <Raspberry> same here -- that's why I installed Hardy
[02:39] <RAOF> Just as long as you don't need this computer to be working.
[02:39] <prasanna> yaaa
[02:39] <prasanna> not sure if this is a bug, but while i'm typing, pc has logged off a couple of times
[02:39] <Raspberry> So -- nobody else has the issue with X restarting whenever you try running a wine app
[02:40] <prasanna> i'm guessing i'm pressing a combination of keys thats causing this
[02:40] <RAOF> Raspberry: You shouldn't be able to run wine apps at the moment, it's broken :)
[02:40] <hischild> Jordan_U, so far ... it's actually running fine ... and the installation goes faster (twice as fast) then then 7.10 install did earlier this evening)
[02:41] <hischild> Jordan_U, i'm at the end of the install (cleaning up part)
[02:41] <Raspberry> RAOF: I know -- it has been for 2 weeks -- I installed the new .56 64-bit package :)   It works, but the 3d doesn't :)
[02:41] <prasanna> are there pre-installed keys that auto logs off?
[02:41] <prasanna> think i hit shift and something, has happened twice today
[02:43] <hischild> Jordan_U, moment of truth!
[02:44] <willis_> dang - getting some majer issues now. windows constantly greying out, lagg when typing and so forth..
[02:44] <willis_> wonder what casused that to suddently start.
[02:44]  * Jordan_U does a drum roll
[02:44] <hischild> hmm no reboot ... but a fullblown freezeup
[02:45] <Raspberry> I get full blown freeze ups too
[02:45] <hischild> but can you login? this is the first bootup after a fresh install
[02:45] <hischild> and it freeze before i can even login
[02:45] <Jordan_U> hischild, It's hardly ever "fullblown" frozen with linux, if your caps lock key light isn't flashing there is still hope :)
[02:46] <hischild> Jordan_U, lol ...
[02:46] <hischild> ok ok so maybe not fullblown frozen :p
[02:46] <Jordan_U> hischild, Did GDM start?
[02:47] <hischild> Jordan_U, yes! i was thinking ... shall i type, shall i wait, shall i type, shall i wait ... freezeup!
[02:47] <Jordan_U> hischild, Can you get to a console with ctrl+alt+F1 ?
[02:47] <hischild> at freeze?
[02:47] <Jordan_U> Yes
[02:47] <hischild> nope
[02:47] <Raspberry> my freezes are weird
[02:47] <Raspberry> I can't use the keyboard anymore
[02:48] <hischild> nothing responds, not even caps
[02:48] <Raspberry> but the mouse still moves around, just can't click on anything
[02:48] <hischild> Raspberry, you can switch terminals
[02:48] <hischild> ?
[02:48] <Raspberry> no
[02:48] <hischild> hmm :(
[02:48] <Raspberry> keyboard doesn't work
[02:49] <Raspberry> mouse moves, but the right / left clicks do nothing
[02:49] <Raspberry> CTRL+ALT+BKSP does nothing... CTRL+ALT+DEL does nothing
[02:49] <hischild> last time i had that i could switch from terminal to terminal
[02:49] <Raspberry> CTRL+ALT+F1 or anything else does nothing
[02:49] <Raspberry> pushing the power button does nothing
[02:49] <Raspberry> holding the power button powers it off
[02:50] <Jordan_U> hischild, try alt + sysrq + k ( sysrq is usually the same key as print screen )
[02:50] <hischild> sec
[02:50] <Raspberry> i'll have to try that next time
[02:51] <hischild> Jordan_U, effect = ? (does nothing that i can see)
[02:51] <hischild> maybe my psu isn't powerfull enough ... so sec while i switch it to my other one ...
[02:51] <Jordan_U> hischild, Should have killed X
[02:52] <hischild> Jordan_U, didn't :(
[02:54] <Jordan_U> hischild, Try ctrl+alt+sysrq
[02:54] <Jordan_U> ctrl+alt+sysrq+k that is :)
[02:56] <DanaG> Not ctrl, actually.
[02:56] <DanaG> alt-sysrq-k
[02:57] <DanaG> If it's a laptop, you may need to hold FN before pressing sysrq, and then let go of it before hitting 'k'.
[02:57] <DanaG> I love having magic sysrq, but I hate having to USE it.
[02:58] <Jordan_U> DanaG, I hate having a mac laptop with no sysrq key :)
[02:59]  * DanaG doesn't own any Apple stuff.
[02:59] <DanaG> None of their stuff does what I want in (that type) of device.
[02:59] <hackeron_> anyone? - I'm getting the following when I try to install the unichrome module:   xserver-xorg-video-unichrome: Depends: xserver-xorg-core (>= 1:1.1.1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:59] <DanaG> (that type) is laptop, desktop, portable media player.
[03:01] <DanaG> Heh:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Platypus
[03:01] <DanaG> I want a platypus on my desktop!
[03:03] <prasanna> not sure, but is there away i can disable auto log off?
[03:03] <prasanna> i mean if i press shift+backspace
[03:03] <RAOF> hackeron_: Right.  The unichrome package is broken.
[03:03] <prasanna> it logs me off, and i've been doing it by accident
[03:03] <RAOF> prasanna: That _shouldn't_ happen.  It used to be a bug in Xgl, but that got fixed.
[03:04] <RAOF> hackeron_: File a bug.  It's built against the wrong version of the X server.
[03:04] <hischild> DanaG, it's a desktop system that i'm having trouble on
[03:04] <prasanna> really
[03:04] <prasanna> hmmmm
[03:04] <prasanna> cause i've actually tested it just now
[03:04] <prasanna> and it did it again
[03:05] <hischild> Jordan_U, next attempt ... hooked up a more powerfull psu which can handle this box easily ...
[03:06] <hischild> failed :(
[03:07] <hischild> _anything_ any1 can think of to fix a gdm crashing for no apparent reason?
[03:08] <DanaG> I'm getting Xorg crashes when unmimizing Firefox with certain pages open.
[03:08] <Jordan_U> hischild, Try disabling gdm like you did with gutsy, see if it still freezes / reboots
[03:09] <hischild> aight
[03:09] <hischild> sec
[03:10] <DanaG> Example: this page.
[03:10] <DanaG> http://www.facilities.calpoly.edu/campusprojects/EngIV_Web_Cam.htm
[03:10] <DanaG> It has some Java applet.
[03:12] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Page isn't loading for me
[03:12] <DanaG> Hmm.
[03:12] <DanaG> Oh, and the crash only SOMEtimes happens.
[03:13] <hischild> Jordan_U, this is a new one.... i can see the cursor blink ... yet i can't type :S
[03:13] <Jordan_U> hischild, Try ctrl+alt+F1
[03:13] <hischild> unresponsive
[03:13] <hackeron_> RAOF: ok, filed, thanks
[03:13] <Jordan_U> hischild, Try threatening your computer
[03:14] <hischild> thinks i'm bluffing :(
[03:14] <hischild> amazing ... tech support with humor .... value: priceless
[03:16] <hischild> i got like 5 - 10 seconds before it freezes
[03:18] <hackeron_> hischild: definitely not a hardware problem? - tried memtest for a couple of hours?
[03:18] <DanaG> Odd, hard lock with black screen when I closed my lid.
[03:18] <hischild> hackeron_, i'm fairly sure that it isn't ... i've been running windows on it for like 1,5 weeks without reboot ... and games run great without any problem ...
[03:20] <Jordan_U> hischild, Try pinging it to see if it is still somewhat alive, if it is try installing ssh in recovery mode then ssh in to be hopefully able to troubleshoot after the freeze
[03:20] <hischild> i'll try ...
[03:20] <hackeron_> hischild: sorry, I missed the beginning of the problem, what do you have to do to reproduce the problem?
[03:21] <hischild> hackeron_, the easiest thing ever: power it on
[03:21] <hackeron_> hischild: ok, so ubuntu boots up, you see the login and it freezes?
[03:21] <hischild> yup
[03:21] <hackeron_> try booting as a single user mode and running startx - see if it happens then too
[03:21] <Jordan_U> hackeron_, Even with GDM disabled, so it's not likely an X problem
[03:22] <hackeron_> Jordan_U: ah, hmm
[03:22] <hackeron_> hischild: with gdm disabled, anything in the console before it locks up?
[03:22] <hischild> hackeron_, i have about 5 - 10 seconds before it locks up
[03:22] <hischild> i can login, type 2 commands ... lock up
[03:23] <hischild> if i'm lucky ...
[03:23] <DanaG> You could chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm to make it not start.
[03:23] <hackeron_> type tail -f /var/log/syslog :)
[03:23] <hischild> ill try
[03:23] <hackeron_> and have you tried as single user too?
[03:23] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Already tried, except I had him rename /etc/init.d/gdm
[03:24] <hischild> darn .... was so close :p
[03:24] <hackeron_> lol
[03:24] <hischild> hackeron_, yes ... which doesn't lock up
[03:24] <hackeron_> well, that's good news
[03:24] <hackeron_> now try starting hal :)
[03:24] <hischild> hackeron_, at least, not within the first like 5 minutes
[03:25] <P2502> livecd boot menu and grub boot menu useing legacy usb driver it seems, if i have no legacy usb support or disable it in bios, my keyboard stop work
[03:25] <hackeron_> hischild: what motherboard/chipset? - I heard some onboard network cards cause lockups
[03:25] <hischild> hackeron_, alright, i'm in single user thingy
[03:25] <hackeron_> hischild: maybe try disabling the network adaptor in bios?
[03:25] <hischild> hackeron_, uhm ... asus a8r mvp
[03:25] <hischild> disabled just about everything (inc onboard sound and network)
[03:25] <Jordan_U> hischild, hackeron_ That would make sense since single user mode works
[03:26] <hischild> i'm assuming that i have to select drop to root shell prompt when asked
[03:26] <hackeron_> yes
[03:26] <hischild> and no lock up so far
[03:27] <hackeron_> from there, try /etc/init.d/hal start
[03:27] <hackeron_> see if that makes it lock up
[03:27] <Jordan_U> hischild, See if it locks up when you do "invokerc.d networking start"
[03:27] <hischild> wait one at a time :p
[03:27] <hischild> hal won't start due to dbus not being started
[03:27] <Jordan_U> make that invoke-rc.d ( with a dash )
[03:28] <hischild> and what good will networking do me if i don't have a network that it can check on?
[03:28] <hackeron_> hischild: if it's a driver issue, you'll be able to reproduce the lockup :)
[03:28] <hischild> aaaaah
[03:28] <hischild> *tries*
[03:29] <hischild> no lockup, just a warning about ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[03:29] <hackeron_> so far so good
[03:29] <hackeron_> do you have any USB devices plugged in?
[03:29] <DanaG> sudo dhclient eth0 to bring it up.
[03:30] <hischild> yes, my keyboard, though i also have a ps2 keyboard hooked up (wanted to see if that made a difference)
[03:30] <hischild> DanaG, wouldn't do much good, i disabled it in bios
[03:31] <hackeron_> hmm, try startx
[03:31] <hischild> ok
[03:31] <hischild> running as privileged user --> continue?
[03:31] <hackeron_> no lock up?
[03:31] <hischild> took twice as long ... but locked
[03:32] <hackeron_> ok, so it seems to lock when you started x?
[03:32] <hischild> yes
[03:32] <hackeron_> sounds like display drivers
[03:32] <hackeron_> what graphics card?
[03:32] <hischild> nvidia geforce 8600 GT
[03:32] <hackeron_> in single user mode, with networking enabled
[03:32] <hackeron_> run apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:32] <hischild> ok
[03:32] <hischild> sec
[03:33] <hackeron_> if you haven't already :)
[03:33] <hischild> nope, it's a clean system, freshly installed
[03:33] <hackeron_> hoary, right?
[03:33] <hischild> yes
[03:33] <DanaG> hardy.
[03:33] <hischild> otherwise i'd be in the wrong channel
[03:33] <hackeron_> err, sorry, hardy, lol
[03:33] <DanaG> There's a bit of a naming collision there.
[03:33] <hischild> lol
[03:33]  * Jordan_U remembers hoary
[03:34] <Jordan_U> not good memories there
[03:34] <hackeron_> next step, horny
[03:34] <hischild> sounds epic
[03:34] <DanaG> What'll be for I (capital i)?
[03:34] <DanaG> Curse whoever made l look like I.
[03:34] <DanaG> L look like i (reverse case)
[03:34] <hackeron_> lol, change fonts
[03:34] <CarlFK> I'm trying to compile some code on hardy, got an error the dev has never seen before: /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output
[03:34] <hischild> wut? yeah I looks lik I :p
[03:35] <CarlFK> whole make dump: http://dpaste.com/37159/
[03:35] <hackeron_> hischild: how is the apt-get install nvidia-glx going?
[03:35] <Jordan_U> DanaG, ibus: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Capra_ibex_ibex_%E2%80%93_03.jpg
[03:36] <Jordan_U> *ibex
[03:36] <hischild> hackeron_, it's done
[03:36] <hischild> now a normal reboot or  ...
[03:36] <DanaG> Nice beard.
[03:36] <hackeron_> hischild: ok, now edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change driver to nvidia
[03:36] <hischild> ok
[03:36] <hackeron_> hischild: under section Device
[03:36] <hischild> hackeron_, any chance there's a diff way? cuz it's almost empty o.O
[03:36] <RAOF> DanaG: It's Intrepid Ibex.  Didn't you know? :)
[03:37] <hackeron_> hischild: lol, hmmm, probably, but I can't remember it - do you have section device?
[03:37] <hischild> hackeron_, yes ... just added it there
[03:37] <hackeron_> hischild: if so, put Driver "nvidia"
[03:37] <hackeron_> hischild: then startx :)
[03:37] <hischild> done
[03:37] <hackeron_> fingers crossed
[03:38] <hischild> server error :p
[03:38] <hackeron_> haha, no screens found?
[03:38] <hischild> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[03:38] <hischild> yeah
[03:38] <prasanna> hey RAOF, is there manual way of fixing that error?
[03:38] <hackeron_> hischild: yeah, try it
[03:38] <prasanna> the 'shift+backspace' = auto log off
[03:38] <hischild> framebuffer y/n
[03:38] <hackeron_> hischild: but in hardy it doesn't really ask you many questions
[03:38] <hackeron_> hischild: framebuffer no
[03:39] <RAOF> prasanna: I don't know.  I don't know what's causing it, so I can't tell you how to fix it.
[03:39] <hischild> good point ....
[03:39] <Jordan_U> hackeron_, hischild That's because in hardy it doesn't really make many decisions :)
[03:39] <prasanna> k
[03:39] <prasanna> back to google, tried a few things, none seem to work
[03:39] <hischild> hmm ... :( no screens error yeah
[03:39] <hischild> ooh wait
[03:39] <Jordan_U> prasanna, Are you using XGL?
[03:39] <prasanna> no
[03:40] <hischild> *count to 20*
[03:40] <hackeron_> Jordan_U: hmmm, I find the opposite - it makes practically all decisions and so far they have been wrong, lol
[03:40] <Jordan_U> prasanna, Can you pastebin the output from "glxinfo" ?
[03:40] <prasanna> k
[03:40] <prasanna> oh sorry yea i am using XGL
[03:40] <Jordan_U> hackeron_, No, it leaves the xorg.conf mostly empty and leaves the decision making to X.org
[03:40] <hischild> lockup <3 but it might have overwritten it to not use nvidia drivers
[03:40] <hackeron_> hischild: any luck?
[03:41] <DanaG> xorg log show anything interesting?
[03:41] <hischild> i'm always having luck :p
[03:41] <Jordan_U> prasanna, There are many tutorials on how to turn off the shift + backspace quitting XGL
[03:42] <prasanna> yea ive tried a few, let me keep trying
[03:42] <prasanna> i'll be back if i cant fix it
[03:42] <hackeron_> hischild: so.. no lockup?
[03:42] <hischild> hackeron_, without nvidia ... it locks up
[03:42] <hischild> and with nvidia, it just won't start
[03:42] <hackeron_> hischild: lol
[03:42] <hischild> reconfigure overwrote my old config
[03:42] <nemo> /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b3/plugins /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins /usr/lib/iceape/plugins /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b3/plugins /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins /usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins
[03:42] <hackeron_> hischild: before the no screens found, does it say anything about the nvidia kernel module?
[03:42] <nemo> ... this seems a little excessive
[03:43] <nemo> for one thing, my plugins seem to be ending up in different directories
[03:43] <nemo> often the wrong one
[03:43] <hackeron_> hischild: oh wait, I know
[03:43] <hischild> hackeron_,  no, i'll take a look in the log
[03:43] <nemo> why is ubuntu moving towards 7 different Gecko plugin directories, and are some of these junk and does anyone know how to get this under control?
[03:43] <hischild> hmm?
[03:43] <hackeron_> hischild: hardy is broken, lol - I forget -- apt-get install nvidia-glx-new-dev
[03:43] <hischild> hahahahahaha
[03:43] <hischild> np
[03:43] <hischild> remove the old one first?
[03:44] <hischild> that is quite a list it'll install
[03:45] <macogw> what setting that i dont know about makes it so that my laptop beeps when i open or close the lid?
[03:46] <prasanna> jordan i fixed it :D
[03:46] <prasanna> thanks
[03:46] <hischild> hackeron_, aight now startx?
[03:46] <Jordan_U> macogw, pcspkr beep?
[03:46] <DanaG> Easy fix for the beeps: chmod 0000 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/*lid*
[03:46] <DanaG> Makes the sound files not readable by anybody.
[03:46] <DanaG> s/fix/workaround/
[03:48] <Jordan_U> Didn't know about the beeping until now
[03:48]  * Jordan_U plays with opening and closing his screen :)
[03:48] <hackeron> hi, sorry back, stupid bulldog
[03:48] <macogw> hah i see it
[03:48] <hischild> hackeron, haha np :p wb
[03:48] <macogw> use sound to notify of event
[03:48] <hackeron> hischild: any luck?
[03:48] <macogw> it says "in event of an error"
[03:48] <hischild> hackeron, i installed nvidia-glx-new-dev ... and now doing ya attempt
[03:48] <macogw> closing the lid is not an error!
[03:48] <hischild> yet no luck :(
[03:49] <hackeron> hischild: hmm, is the nvidia kernel module loaded? -- check lsmod
[03:49] <hischild> aight sec
[03:49] <hackeron> hischild: and now that your device driver is set to nvidia - also try booting into multiuser mode
[03:49] <hackeron> (i.e. normal mode)
[03:50] <hischild> hackeron, multi user mode fails ... (just tried)
[03:50] <hischild> and ... lsmod should show nvidia in the list?
[03:50] <hackeron> yeah
[03:50] <hischild> isn't there
[03:50] <hackeron> well, if it's loaded
[03:50] <hackeron> if not, load it :)
[03:50] <hackeron> modprobe nvidia
[03:50] <hackeron> and if that's not found
[03:50] <CarlFK> "  onboard: Depends: python-virtkey (>= 0.50) but 0.42 is to be installed"  anyone here want details before I nuke the logs?
[03:50] <hackeron> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/volatile/nvidia-new.ko
[03:51] <hischild> "Not loading nvidia-new module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:51] <Jordan_U> hischild, Then you need to modify your xorg.conf :)
[03:51] <hischild> Jordan_U, i'm already doin that ...
[03:51] <hackeron> hmm, I just use driver "nvidia" here
[03:52] <hischild> hackeron, it got moved out again :(
[03:52] <hackeron> oh, lol
[03:52] <hischild> so ... put tha tback in ... modprobe'd ...
[03:52] <hackeron> dpkg-reconfigure is weird in hardy
[03:52] <hischild> loaded!
[03:52] <hackeron> with xserver-xorg anyway
[03:52] <hischild> hackeron, yeah :( *refuses to use it anymore*
[03:52] <hackeron> X started?
[03:53]  * DanaG uses a manual xorg.conf.
[03:53] <hischild> logo!
[03:53] <Jordan_U> hackeron, It's just that they are going for as minimal an xorg.conf as possible, letting X itelf deal with the rest
[03:53] <hackeron> lol
[03:53] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[03:53] <DanaG> Lots of nifty stuff for touchpad.
[03:53] <hischild> ooooh i lol'd ... once i click continue it drops back to console
[03:53] <hischild> but no freeze! (so far)
[03:53] <hischild> and just when i say that ... =,= it freezes
[03:53] <hackeron> lol, yeah, it does that
[03:53] <hackeron> bleh, lol, that sucks
[03:53] <RAOF> Until synaptics is modified to not need SHMConfig (and nouveau gets loaded by default), manual xorg for me too.
[03:53] <hackeron> ok, so it's not X
[03:54] <hackeron> hmm, so is it a kernel panic?
[03:54] <hackeron> someone suggested you try to ping the machine - have you tried that?
[03:54] <hischild> it sounds like my cpu is spiking now ... my cooler is working overtime once it freezes
[03:54] <hischild> no response
[03:54] <hischild> 100% loss
[03:54] <hackeron> hmm, that is very weird, the motherboard seems fully supported
[03:54] <Jordan_U> hischild, hackeron But that's with networking currently disabled right?
[03:55] <hischild> Jordan_U, i think i enabled it
[03:55] <hischild> i'll check :-)
[03:55] <Jordan_U> hischild, Make sure you can ping it before the freeze
[03:55] <hackeron> hischild: have you tried the typical acpi=off noapic commands in grub?
[03:56] <hischild> yes i have without luck
[03:56] <hackeron> what kernel?
[03:56] <hackeron> generic or i386
[03:56] <hischild> which one comes installed normally?
[03:57] <hischild> generic
[03:57] <hackeron> donno, lol - I've been dist-upgrading since dapper
[03:57] <hackeron> hischild: try i386 - generic doesn't work for me either
[03:57] <hischild> h2install?
[03:57] <hackeron> who?
[03:57] <hischild> how to install :p
[03:58] <hackeron> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-8-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-8-386
[03:58] <Jordan_U> BRB
[03:58] <hackeron> there's ubuntu-modules and some other stuff - but I only have those 2 installed
[04:00] <hischild> hackeron, i can't find the second module
[04:00] <hackeron> hischild: hmmmm? - did you enable universe and multiverse in sources.list?
[04:00] <hischild> let me see
[04:01] <hischild> nope :-) did that now
[04:02] <hischild> hackeron, seems there's only the 2.6.24-10-386 one and the generic for the 2.6.24-8
[04:02] <hackeron> hmmmmm, maybe it changed in the last hour, lol
[04:02] <hischild> lol
[04:02] <hischild> so grab the -10 kernel?
[04:02] <hackeron> yeah
[04:02] <hackeron> grab the latest 386 one
[04:03] <hischild> ok, dl'ing
[04:03] <Jordan_U> hischild, hackeron Why 386 ?
[04:04] <hackeron> Jordan_U: for me on athlon64 generic hangs on boot
[04:05] <hischild> aight attempt 2 at running x ...
[04:05] <hischild> nvidia is loaded
[04:05] <hackeron> new kernel?
[04:05] <hischild> ofcourse, after a reboot
[04:05] <RAOF> hackeron: At any point in particular?  -generic should totally work.
[04:05] <hischild> nope ... this time instead of a freeze it dies
[04:06] <hackeron> RAOF: yes, just after grub - I see
[04:06] <hackeron> sorry, stupid enter key, ol
[04:06] <hackeron> I see 4 lines of text
[04:06] <hackeron> just basically loading kernel, etc
[04:06] <hackeron> and it hangs
[04:06] <hackeron> doesn't even get to mounting the FS
[04:07] <hischild> mine gets a little further then that ... yet so far :( still go gnome
[04:07] <RAOF> hackeron: Hm... Is it anything like bug #184712?
[04:07] <hackeron> no luck with the 386 kernel?
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184712 in linux "[regression] Asus F3Jm fails to work correctly without acpi=off" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184712
[04:07] <hischild> hackeron, nope ...
[04:08] <hischild> i'll try the acpi=off
[04:08] <hackeron> RAOF: donno, I just switched to the 386 kernel, lol
[04:08] <hackeron> RAOF: I happened to have it installed from the dapper days
[04:08] <Jordan_U> hischild, It would be VERY useful to be able to examine the system via ssh after the "crash", have you confirmed that it does respond to pings before the crash but not after?
[04:09] <hischild> yes that is confirmed
[04:10] <hackeron> hischild: probably an unhelpful suggestion, but try with an IDE instead of a SATA hard drive, lol
[04:10] <hischild> hackeron, lol'd ... don't have one here :(
[04:10] <hischild> hmm ... wait it's still running?
[04:10] <DanaG> dagblasted Xorg died when I unminimized Firefox.
[04:12] <hischild> uhm
[04:12] <hischild> wtf
[04:12] <hackeron> hischild: works with acpi=off?
[04:12] <hischild> yeah o.O
[04:12] <hischild> so far it does
[04:12] <hackeron> hischild: lol, I thought you said you tried that!
[04:12] <hischild> i did!
[04:12] <hackeron> lol, then its the 386 kernel
[04:12] <hischild> Jordan_U said that, along with apci or sth like that ...
[04:13] <hischild> or the combi ;-)
[04:13] <hackeron> install enemy territory and enjoy your hardy
[04:13] <hischild> hahaha <3
[04:13] <hischild> oh i will
[04:13] <hischild> but i'll be more then likely coming back with trouble
[04:13] <hackeron> lol, probably, hardy is so broken right now
[04:14] <hischild> hahahaha
[04:14] <Raspberry> so so broken
[04:14] <hischild> epic
[04:14] <hischild> but it just works! <3 hugs for all !
[04:14]  * hischild hugs all
[04:15] <hackeron> right, it's after 4am, I'm going to sleep
[04:15] <hackeron> night night everyone
[04:15] <hischild> haha sounds like a plan :p i'm goin to enjoy this and keep on goin through the night (it's only 5 am here)
[04:15] <hischild> night
[04:18] <DanaG> I figured out a way to reliably crash Xorg.
[04:19] <hischild> DanaG, tell me
[04:19] <MFen> what's the main page for the heron package repository?
[04:19] <RAOF> DanaG: Always a good thing to have :)
[04:19] <hischild> i'm curious ... :p
[04:19] <DanaG> Go to the following page, then open a new tab and switch to it.  Minimize firefox, wait a few seconds, then unmimnimize firefox.
[04:19] <DanaG> http://www.facilities.calpoly.edu/campusprojects/EngIV_Web_Cam.htm
[04:19] <MFen> i need to download python2.5 directly, because some of my files went missing somehow
[04:20] <MFen> (and removing it and reinstalling it is out of the question for obvious reasons)
[04:20] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Which JVM?
[04:20] <DanaG> IcedTea, I think.
[04:20] <RAOF> MFen: aptitude reinstall python2.5 doesn't do what you want?
[04:21] <MFen> i didn't know there was a reinstall
[04:21] <RAOF> :)
[04:21] <RAOF> Tools are awesome!
[04:21] <hischild> setting time is broken? :P
[04:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I'm using compiz-fusion with nvidia.
[04:22] <MFen> RAOF: hmm. no, apparently it doesn't
[04:22] <MFen> apt-file search tells me that _bsddb.so is in python2.5
[04:22] <cwillu> !wine
[04:22] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[04:22] <MFen> and i have python2.5 installed
[04:22] <MFen> but _bsddb.so is not present
[04:22] <cwillu> !info wine
[04:22] <ubotu> wine (source: wine): Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.55-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 34871 kB, installed size 108000 kB
[04:22] <MFen> and reinstalling python2.5 did not bring it back.
[04:22] <RAOF> cwillu: Yes, it's still broken.
[04:22] <cwillu> thx :p
[04:23] <RAOF> You still want to have the winehq gutsy repository enabled, and have "aptitude forbid-version wine=0.9.55-0ubuntu1" set.
[04:23] <MFen> maybe i will apt-file update.  has it been moved into another package? foolish, if so. attempts to separate python from its stdlib will always annoy us python users.
[04:23] <cwillu> RAOF, I've just got the deb pinned
[04:24] <cwillu> but ya, thansk
[04:24] <RAOF> forbid-version is probably better; once a new (presumably working) package is uploaded, you automatically update :)
[04:24] <RAOF> cwillu: What's your actual problem?  _bsddb.so is in python2.5
[04:24] <MFen> RAOF: are you talking to me?
[04:24] <DanaG> update-manager ignores aptitude's holds!
[04:25] <cwillu> RAOF, automatically, eh?  there's something that's not gonna happen until hardy goes stable :p
[04:25] <MFen> RAOF: "import bsddb" fails, which should never happen.
[04:25] <RAOF> MFen: Not here it doesn't :)
[04:25] <RAOF> DanaG: That's awkward.  I only use aptitude, so it doesn't affect me :/
[04:25] <MFen> RAOF: well, maybe aptitude reinstall *really doesn't* work
[04:26] <MFen> RAOF: so, i still need to know where to download the deb. :)
[04:26] <RAOF> MFen: what does "dpkg -S bsddb.so" give for you?
[04:27] <MFen> RAOF: python2.4
[04:27] <MFen> only
[04:27] <RAOF> And you _definitely_ have python2.5 installed?  aptitude reinstall python2.5 won't do anything if you don't have the python2.5 package installed already.
[04:28] <hischild> why can't i use tabcompletion? :(
[04:28] <Jordan_U> DanaG, That applet won't display with Iced Tea for me
[04:29] <MFen> RAOF: i definitely have it installed, yes
[04:29] <MFen> moreover, aptitude reinstall very definitely seems to be reinstalling it
[04:29] <MFen> but the end result is the same, no _bsddb.so
[04:29] <RAOF> MFen: So downloading the deb manually is unlikely to do anything :)
[04:29] <RAOF> You're up to date?
[04:30] <RAOF> I mean, your apt lists are up to date?
[04:30] <MFen> would that matter? it's been in python since like 1990 :)
[04:30] <MFen> i have automatic updates on
[04:30] <MFen> so unless it was removed in the last update (and i don't recall python being upgraded) it should stil be there
[04:30] <MFen> it's entirely possible i accidentally removed it, but aptitude doesn't want to put it back
[04:30] <RAOF> MFen: I'd matter if there was a bug in the packaging which prevented bsddb.so from being built for one revision, and a fix has been pushed out :)
[04:31] <DanaG> Odd, perhaps java isn't really there.
[04:31] <DanaG> dpkg --force-depends --purge is a last-resort way to really purge stuff like that Python.  However, it can also severely break stuff!
[04:33] <MFen> well, i just downloaded the newest deb
[04:34] <RAOF> packages.ubuntu.com thinks that _bsdddb.so lives in python2.5 :)
[04:34] <MFen> well, it does.
[04:34] <MFen> apt-file agrees
[04:35] <MFen> ok, upgrading my python2.5, my python2.5-minimal and installing libdb4.2 fixed it
[04:36] <MFen> i think there may actually have been a packaging error, and i somehow caught it in the nuts
[04:38] <hischild> ouch ... that's gotta hurt
[04:39] <Jordan_U> hischild, Have you installed ssh yet?
[04:40] <hischild> Jordan_U, no ... was doin updates
[04:40] <Jordan_U> hischild, That's a good idea :)
[04:41] <hischild> they don't call em udpates for a reason now do they ;-) and considering it takes a blink of an eye compared to windows ...
[04:42] <hischild> i must say ... i do get to know my system rather well this way :p
[04:46] <nemo> sooo, anyone know why ubuntu has 7 different gecko plugin directories?
[04:47] <cwillu> historically, plugin authors have tended to hardcode paths
[04:47] <cwillu> so in order for the java installer, the flash installer, etc to all work, those paths still need to be supported
[04:48] <P2502> kubuntu-kde4 alpha is out
[04:55] <P2502> ho its on kubuntu.org already
[04:55] <nemo> cwillu: well, my problem was that, for example, the java plugin wasn't being found, 'cause it wasn't in the "right" path
[04:56] <nemo> cwillu: so clearly not all of them are being searched
[04:56] <nemo> I ended up moving it to the path of the plugins that were showing up in about:plugins - but that kind of thing disturbs me
[04:56] <nemo> don't like moving about system managed symlinks
[04:57] <wastrel> any thinkpad users having trouble with their integrated card reader?
[04:57] <nemo> cwillu: besides. even if the paths are hardcoded, why not symlink them all to one directory?
[04:57] <nemo> only the 2 versioned ones are symlinks on my system
[04:57] <nemo> /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b3/plugins -> /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/
[04:57] <nemo>  /usr/lib/firefox-3.0b3/plugins -> /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/
[04:57] <nemo>  /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b3/plugins -> ../xulrunner-addons/plugins
[04:57] <hischild> oooooohhhh lovely ... no reboot needed after updates ... (and yes Jordan_U, installed ssh :-))
[04:58] <P2502>  hischild: i always reboot
[04:58] <P2502> was having some problems if not reboot
[04:58] <hischild> P2502, why? if you don't have to ... :-)
[04:59] <hischild> i prefer to keep my box running :p after all the trouble it costs to get it running
[04:59] <P2502> well i once updated firefox while it was running and it started to act strange
[04:59] <cwillu> which makes me wonder why you'd want to run an unstable version :p
[04:59] <nemo> hischild: my gentoo box I just rebooted last week - after my aborted attempt to switch to evil lying Verizon
[05:00] <hischild> cwillu, that's easy ... there's nothing more fun then to keep an unstable system running :-)
[05:00] <nemo> hischild: before that it had had almost 7 months of uptime before my last kernel update
[05:00] <hischild> nemo, nice :-)
[05:00] <P2502> i turn off my pc every night
[05:01] <cwillu> bah, that's what suspend is for
[05:01] <DanaG> For me, suspend works only 2/3 of the time, or so.
[05:01] <P2502> and reboot many times a day if i made some changes to cnofiguration
[05:01] <DanaG> It works well enough to use, but I always make sure to save my work first anyway.
[05:01] <P2502> suspend to ram?
[05:02] <DanaG> Yeah.
[05:02] <hischild> there we go ... acpi=off edited into grub
[05:03] <P2502> my connections dosnt restore after suspend
[05:03] <nemo> cwillu: not going to suspend the machine. too many things running on it...
[05:03] <nemo> is basically a server. even if just my server.
[05:05]  * cwillu was talking about P2502 
[05:05] <DanaG> suspend + iwl3945 == ouch.
[05:05] <DanaG> suspend + pidgin also == ouch.
[05:09] <cwillu> oooo, gittorrent
[05:11] <hischild> ?
[05:12] <cwillu> http://gittorrent.utsl.gen.nz/rfc.html
[05:13] <DanaG> Banana-Splittorrent
[05:15] <hischild> aaaah sounds nice
[05:15] <hischild> oh btw ... small question: what's better ... to compile from source or a .deb?
[05:16] <P2502> ubuntu is not gentoo :)
[05:16] <cwillu> probably depends on the package
[05:16] <cwillu> I run git from source, as I haven't found a good repository that keeps up to date with their releases yet
[05:16] <RAOF> hischild: It depends on what you mean by "better", really.
[05:16] <hischild> hmm
[05:17] <hischild> well not all packages are already available for hardy ... so can i just take the ones from for example gutsy?
[05:18] <Raspberry> you can take them from wherever you want -- they'll all work the same :P
[05:18] <RAOF> Everything for Gutsy should be available for Hardy, unless it's been deliberately removed.  What are you looking at in particular?
[05:19] <hischild> i'd like to have gfire back ... but i'll have to compile that one anyway ... wine ofcourse (but i'm already compiling that one)
[05:19] <RAOF> I wouldn't bother compililng wine; it's huge.
[05:19] <DanaG> gfire?
[05:19] <hischild> i know
[05:19] <hischild> xfire for pidgin
[05:19] <RAOF> The gutsy winehq packages work just fine, until the Ubuntu ones are fixed.
[05:20] <DanaG> Aah.  None of my best friends use xfire, anyway.
[05:20] <hischild> hmm i'll add those then :-) tnx
[05:22] <Raspberry> so the gutsy packages work?
[05:23] <Raspberry> for wine
[05:23] <RAOF> Yes.
[05:23] <Raspberry> because they all seem to cause my system to restart X
[05:24] <Raspberry> which is the reason that I moved from gutsy to hardy
[05:24] <hischild> RAOF, i get a segmentation fault on winecfg :(
[05:24] <RAOF> hischild: With the winehq packages?
[05:24] <hischild> yush
[05:24] <hischild> freshly installed
[05:25] <RAOF> hischild: Note that just adding the repository & aptitude install wine-ing will result in the hardy package (which has a higher version number) being installed.
[05:25] <hischild> o.O
[05:25] <hischild> yeah ... sure ... so ... instead ... i should eehm?
[05:26] <P2502> http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/ubuntu/gutsy/wine_0.9.55~winehq0~ubuntu~7.10-1_i386.deb
[05:26] <P2502> hischild:
[05:26] <hischild> wait ... the version number of hardy is higher then the ones from gutsy?
[05:26] <RAOF> hischild: So, you "aptitude install wine=0.9.55~winehq0~ubuntu~7.10-1" to forcibly get the winehq version.
[05:26] <hischild> but the version number wine gives me is wine-0.9.55
[05:27] <P2502> Raspberry: it seems you have another problem with wine from what we have, it is just 0.9.55 version in hardy repo not work, it segfaults, over versions works
[05:27] <Raspberry> my hardy version segfaults :)
[05:27] <RAOF> hischild: Then you "aptitude forbid-version wine=0.9.55-0ubuntu1" to make sure that aptitude doesn't try to upgrade to the current, broken hardy version.
[05:27] <hischild> mkay :-)
[05:28] <Raspberry> direct rendering works
[05:28] <Raspberry> so I can't figure out why OpenGL wine apps don't work at all
[05:28] <P2502> RAOF: dont need to mess with gutsy repos, he may just download deb from link above
[05:28] <RAOF> P2502: Which will get upgraded to the Hardy version next time he runs aptitude upgrade :)
[05:30] <Raspberry> how can I determine what's causing the problem -- whne I tried to compile Wine 0.9.56 it told me that it couldn't find OpenGL or Direct3d libraries and that neither would be available
[05:31] <SlicerDicer> has anybody noticed that firefox runs terrible?
[05:31] <SlicerDicer> I get horrid scrolling... it will just freeze then jump and freeze and jump
[05:31] <SlicerDicer> makes me almost sick
[05:32] <P2502> SlicerDicer: yeah it was a same with 2 version for me, maybe turning of disk caching will fix it...
[05:32] <SlicerDicer> clicking between konversation and firefox is also lagged... I click to konversation BAM its there firefox takes about 5 seconds to render that its actually there
[05:34] <SlicerDicer> wow thats horrible lol I just did a test... I can scroll my wheel on my mouse
[05:34] <SlicerDicer> and release my hand and watch it move up-down-up-down etc not touching anything
[05:35] <hischild> SlicerDicer, that's gotta look funny (and be very annoying) ... but no ... at least one problem i don't have
[05:35] <SlicerDicer> yeah it is very very annoying
[05:35] <SlicerDicer> I cant read sites as I scroll whew there... ohh wait no i am not got to scroll back up down up down etc
[05:35] <P2502> SlicerDicer: i also dont like when page layout is changing during load, if page have images (i guess areas for images should be pre-made)
[05:36] <SlicerDicer> firefox 3 seems to be a bit of a step back imo
[05:36] <budmang> Hey what do I apt-get install for the desktop enchancedments in the administration menu?
[05:36] <SlicerDicer> I disabled that stupid url bar thing
[05:36] <SlicerDicer> drove me batty
[05:38] <P2502> SlicerDicer: well it should not be step back, at least they tried to implement ZOOM, which is was in opera for years
[05:38] <P2502> which involves rework of engine
[05:39] <P2502> lets call it beta
[05:39] <SlicerDicer> haha
[05:39]  * DanaG has keys get stuck.
[05:39] <SlicerDicer> I understand there is issues with beta no doubt about it
[05:40] <Raspberry> well I'm going to try and run something in Wine ... we'll see what happens
[05:40] <Raspberry> I have compiz installed
[05:40] <SlicerDicer> but P2502 some of the actual changes that I have seen I am kinda frustrated with.. like having to have a addon to switch the URL bar back to firefox 2 style
[05:41] <Raspberry> but my desktop effects are set to None
[05:41] <Raspberry> would that be effecting it/
[05:41] <SlicerDicer> what is it doing?
[05:41] <Raspberry> X restarts when I try and run an OpenGL Wine applicatin
[05:41] <SlicerDicer> nice
[05:41] <Raspberry> I get kicked out to the gdm login screen
[05:42] <Raspberry> it doesn't matter whether the app is run full screen or windowed
[05:42] <SlicerDicer> errm try running something else?
[05:42] <Raspberry> if I run an installer or an application that doesn't call any 3d libraries it's fine
[05:42] <SlicerDicer> are you running wine builds or the ubuntu repos?
[05:42] <Raspberry> example ... World of Warcraft ... installs fine -- starting WoW itself restarts X
[05:42] <Raspberry> Photoshop works fine
[05:43] <Raspberry> I've tried the Ubuntu Repos ... but 0.9.55 segfaults
[05:43] <Raspberry> so I tried a 0.9.56 that somebody compiled and that restarts
[05:43] <SlicerDicer> so your using the wine builds?
[05:43] <RAOF> Raspberry: That's going to be a problem with your 3d drivers.
[05:43] <SlicerDicer> not 100% sure on that RAOF
[05:44] <Raspberry> RAOF: glxgears works fine
[05:44] <Raspberry> glxinfo says Direct Rendering is on
[05:44] <RAOF> Raspberry: Not exactly a 3d stress-test.
[05:44] <RAOF> Raspberry: How about some other 3d app?  tuxracer?  OpenArena?
[05:44] <SlicerDicer> http://winehq.org/site/download-deb snag the gutsy ones :) give it a shot
[05:44] <Raspberry> SlicerDicer: just did
[05:45] <Raspberry> I've got an Intel X3100 card
[05:45] <Raspberry> it plays 3d stuff fine in Windows
[05:45] <Raspberry> 384MB of Shared Memory :P
[05:45]  * SlicerDicer runs away
[05:46] <Raspberry> oh -- and I can play World of Warcraft fine using CrossOver instead of the "free" wine
[05:46] <RAOF> Right.  So _this_ suggests that it may be a wine problem.
[05:46] <RAOF> Although it's really an X problem.  _Nothing_ should kill X.
[05:47] <P2502> or a way crossover interact with driver
[05:47] <SlicerDicer> RAOF: errrm
[05:47] <SlicerDicer> RAOF: are you insane?
[05:47] <SlicerDicer> I have seen X die so many times lol
[05:47] <RAOF> SlicerDicer: You've seen a bunch of bugs in X, yes.  My statement stands :P
[05:48] <SlicerDicer> LOL ok point taken but thats a really crazy way to look at it
[05:48] <Raspberry> ok I installed TuxRacer
[05:48] <Raspberry> I'm going to start it now
[05:49] <Raspberry> I may be back in a minute or 4 depending on if I have to log in again :p
[05:50] <Raspberry> it plays fine
[05:50] <Raspberry> runs like crap
[05:50] <Raspberry> but it runs
[05:51] <Raspberry> tux on a snowboard is very disappointing
[05:51] <Raspberry> 3fps
[05:51] <P2502> what you mean like crap? seems like drivers is really broken
[05:52] <P2502> it is too old game to run at 3 fps
[05:52] <Raspberry> it seems to be rendering everything properly
[05:52] <Raspberry> just running very poorly
[05:52] <Raspberry> In WoW I get over 20fps in Windows ... I can play Civ4 fine in Vista and HOMM5 plays alright at 800x600
[05:53] <Raspberry> I used to play OpenArena in Gutsy
[05:53] <Raspberry> and that played "ok"
[05:53] <Raspberry> probably 10-15fps
[05:53] <P2502> you may use crossover or learn what changes to wine configuration it does to work properly with your hardware
[05:53] <SlicerDicer> something is for sure FUBAR with 3fps...
[05:54] <Raspberry> it even runs at 3fps at 640x3xx in a window
[05:55] <SlicerDicer> Raspberry: why not get a video card thats decent?
[05:55] <SlicerDicer> I mean you can pick up a 512mb 8800GT for 200$
[05:55] <SlicerDicer> that thing screams
[05:55] <SlicerDicer> <--- has it
[05:55] <Raspberry> SlicerDicer: because it's in a laptop :)
[05:55] <SlicerDicer> ouch
[05:56] <Raspberry> It's a tablet
[05:56] <SlicerDicer> Well I guess this is where I say.. Thats why I lothe laptops ;-)
[05:56] <Raspberry> there are laptops with good video cards
[05:57] <P2502> Raspberry: not really "mobile" laptops huh?
[05:58]  * DanaG wonders which will be better by summer: NV 8600M or ATI HD2600 (or the successors of each)?
[05:59] <ethana3> Ok, so I'm trying to virtualize XP in qemu on a C2D under Hardy..
[05:59] <ethana3> ..I think I have to go into the bios, set it on, and pull out the battery and power for 8 seconds..
[06:00] <ethana3> forgot about that ;)
[06:00] <bazhang> the 9600NV looks nice ;]
[06:00] <ethana3> if I have a problem, I'll be back
[06:00] <P2502> bazhang: it will like nice when nvidia release driver for it
[06:00] <Raspberry> ok I'm trying to discover the entire human genome with my laptop ... it seems slow.  i want it fast.  i formatted the hard drive, but that didn't fix it.  I added a bigger hard drive and made the screen brighter, but it seems to go the same speed
[06:01] <Raspberry> i even tried plugging it into an external display
[06:01] <bazhang> P2502: heh true ;]
[06:01] <P2502> what bigger hard drive and screen brightness to do with speed?
[06:02] <CarlFK> P2502: it will seam better
[06:02] <Raspberry> I even waxed the case
[06:02] <CarlFK> notice it isnt slow, it just seems slow
[06:02] <Raspberry> i tried putting it in the freezer because my friend said computers run better when they're cooler
[06:02] <Raspberry> he thought it might have been overheating
[06:03] <CarlFK> bigger HD = newer, newer are often faster.  it all makes perfect sense
[06:03] <P2502> CarlFK: not exactly
[06:03] <Raspberry> yeah it's one of these SSD things it cost $2000
[06:03] <RAOF> Bigger HD = faster, because it's the same size :)
[06:03]  * DanaG has a Hitachi 7k200-200.
[06:03] <RAOF> Physical size, I mean.
[06:04] <P2502> lol@perfect sense
[06:04] <CarlFK> now you are catching on
[06:06] <Raspberry> i put speed holes in my first one, but the guy at the store I should do that to this one because they wouldn't honor the warranty twice
[06:06] <Raspberry> shouldn't do that to this one, i mean
[06:07]  * RAOF thinks Raspberry is just being silly, now.
[06:07] <CarlFK> hardy login pref dialog is too big for 800x600 - should that be bugged?
[06:08] <RAOF> CarlFK: Probably, if it isn't already.
[06:10] <Raspberry> the only thing I'm silly about is trying to fix this stupid 3d problem
[06:10] <RAOF> Raspberry: "Speed holes"?
[06:12] <DanaG> Ooh:  http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/11/3/103
[06:13] <DanaG> HP mobile data protection thingy.
[06:13] <ethana2> okay, the virtual machine machine won't let me use this C2D's hardware kernel virtualization acceleration
[06:13] <ethana2> I went into bios and set it enabled..
[06:13] <ethana2> how do I check the feature from within ubuntu?
[06:14] <RAOF> ethana2: Check out "aptitude show kvm".  The description contians a command you can run to check.
[06:14] <hischild> hmm ... virtualbox is broken?
[06:14] <ethana2> thanks
[06:14] <P2502> also cat /proc/cpuinfo -- look for vmx
[06:14] <Raspberry> heh
[06:14] <Raspberry> I've got IBM Mobile Data protection
[06:15] <Raspberry> aka ... remove the hard drive from this machine and the data is scrambled
[06:15] <Raspberry> hardware level encryption is built in
[06:15] <RAOF> P2502: Or Whatever the Intel one is.
[06:16] <Raspberry> so is KVM working in Hardy now?
[06:18] <ethana2> about to find out ;)
[06:19] <ethana2> ok got it
[06:19] <ethana2> excellent
[06:19] <ethana2> I guess that's a yes
[06:21] <hischild> why does tab completion not work in bash with apt-get
[06:22] <ethana2> it won't let me install from CD..
[06:22] <ethana2> the CD is in my drive..
[06:22] <ethana2> ..any suggestions?
[06:22] <hischild> ethana2, press the button to get a boot menu (it will usually tell you this, like f8 or f12) and then select your cd drive
[06:23] <ethana2> ...what?
[06:23] <ethana2> no, like, in virt-manager
[06:23] <hischild> ethana2, do the same thing
[06:23] <ethana2> the 'CD-ROM or DVD' option is greyed out
[06:23] <hischild> is it powered on?
[06:23] <ethana2> my boot priority is CD before hard drive alread
[06:24] <ethana2> this is the machine I speak of
[06:24] <hischild> virt-manager = .... ?
[06:24] <ethana2> well
[06:25] <ethana2> sudo apt-get install it and see?
[06:25] <hischild> ......
[06:25] <Raspberry> what's wrong with my 3d :P 59036 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11807.173 FPS
[06:25] <Raspberry> looks good to me!
[06:25] <hischild> Raspberry, aint that a little low? :P
[06:26] <RAOF> Oh, yay!  virt-manager works again :).
[06:27] <Raspberry> here we go ... wish me luck :)
[06:27] <ethana2> gahh
[06:28] <ethana2> the XP install disk is in my drive, nautilus sees it, but Apps->System->Virtual Machine Manager doesn't see it
[06:28] <ethana2> It won't let me use it as install media for the virtual machine and I don't know why
[06:30] <Raspberry> uh nope
[06:30] <Raspberry> heh
[06:30] <Raspberry> that didn't work
[06:30] <ethana2> ?
[06:30] <P2502> Could not initialize KVM, will disable KVM support
[06:30] <P2502> Ubuntu does not support running KVM without hardware acceleration. Sorry.
[06:30] <Raspberry> I think that there's a problem with the 3d libraries compiled into Ubuntu's WINE package
[06:30] <ethana2> you on a laptop?
[06:30] <Raspberry> yeah
[06:30] <ethana2> sorry
[06:30] <ethana2> P2502: laptop?
[06:30] <Raspberry> talking to P2502
[06:30] <P2502> no
[06:31] <ethana2> hmm
[06:31] <P2502> its E4300 cpu
[06:31] <ethana2> on this machine, here's what I just did
[06:31] <ethana2> I went into bios, went to virtualization
[06:31] <ethana2> and turned hardware acceleration on
[06:31] <ethana2> it's off by default I think
[06:31] <P2502> my cpu dosnt support it
[06:31] <Raspberry> how can I add opengl and direct3d support to wine?
[06:31] <ethana2> oh
[06:32] <ethana2> raspberry: I'd use wine from winehq apt
[06:32] <ethana2> correction: I /do/ use wine from winehq apt
[06:32] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> wine pkg is fixed?
[06:32] <Raspberry> ethana2: that's the Wine I'm using
[06:32] <Raspberry> because Hardy is broken
[06:32] <ethana2> oh
[06:32] <ethana2> I don't know then
[06:32] <Raspberry> it runs all non-3d apps
[06:32] <Raspberry> CrossOver works
[06:32] <Raspberry> but WINE doesn't
[06:32] <ethana2> anybody here using virtualization with kvm?
[06:33] <ethana2> I'm trying to create a vm..
[06:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Raspberry, edit the registry?
[06:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, like the vt stuff from intel?
[06:33] <ethana2> yes.
[06:33] <ethana2> I have it enabled
[06:33] <ethana2> kvm sees it
[06:33] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, i use vbox with it
[06:33] <Raspberry> this explains my issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=365484
[06:33] <ethana2> my problem is that virt-manager won't let me use my CD as install media
[06:34] <ethana2> and I have no clue why
[06:34] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> dont know about kvm
[06:34] <CarlFK> ethana2: tried qemu?
[06:34] <ethana2> no
[06:35] <ethana2> I want hardware acceleration
[06:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Raspberry, amd64?
[06:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ethana2, kvm support hardware acceleration with vcard?
[06:35] <Raspberry> yup .. amd64
[06:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Raspberry, sorry then, dont know about amd64
[06:36] <Raspberry> well let me tell you about it
[06:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> glad to listen
[06:37] <Raspberry> it slices it dices... it even makes julianne fries!
[06:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ok...
[06:37] <CarlFK> what is trackerd and why is it eating all my cpu?  load average: 2.14, 2.06, 1.44 0.3%us,  2.0%sy, 18.6%ni,  0.0%id, 78.7%wa,
[06:37] <Raspberry> apply directly to the forehead
[06:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, tracker, the search app
[06:38] <CarlFK> is there some way to disable it?
[06:38] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, uninstall it?
[06:38] <P2502> i started rsync, it says it downloading file, but file is not created?
[06:38] <hischild> most programs can be disabled yet i found out a very helpfull feature from vista lately
[06:38] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, or edit its config file, under ~/.tracker
[06:39] <hischild> did you notice, that whenever a program crashes, it gives you that lovely hint "If you cannot solve the problem with this program, you can solve it by removing this program"
[06:39] <CarlFK> awesome.  I can do that as part of the install process
[06:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, if u gonna remove tracker, it may ask u to remove ubuntu-desktop, which may bring some trouble later
[06:40] <P2502> haha
[06:41] <hischild> [Hardy]TuTUXG, you bring that so  .. gently ... 'may bring "some" trouble later'
[06:41] <CarlFK> removing it didn't stop the current process...
[06:41] <P2502> actually this thing have interface to disable itself, but it not work
[06:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> some troubles
[06:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, kill it
[06:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, it's in the memory
[06:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> P2502, i thought the frontend got fixed?
[06:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> maybe not
[06:42] <P2502> it seems not
[06:42] <bazhang> ubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage should be okay to remove
[06:43] <Sebastian> Is http://phpfi.com/299311 a known issue?
[06:43] <DanaG> You can chmod -x the tracker daemon.
[06:43] <DanaG> The big annoyance for me is the icon.
[06:43] <DanaG> Blink.  Blink.  Blink.  Blink.
[06:43] <DanaG> on and on and on.
[06:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Sebastian, i thought that one got fixed
[06:45] <DanaG> Hmm, HP has an accelerometer in some notebooks, too.
[06:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> actually if u edit tracker's config file properly, it wont use so much res
[06:45] <Sebastian> Looks like it's not fixed. At least not for me.
[06:46] <Raspberry> I guess the problem with WINE on AMD64 is that there are libraries that need to be symlinked from /usr/lib32... anybody else had to do this on amd64?
[06:46] <Raspberry> I should run 32-bit ... except that I actually like the extra performance since I do have 4gb of ram and do a lot of app development on this machine
[06:46] <P2502> Raspberry: why you dont want to use deb?
[06:47] <DanaG> here's the device ID for the mobile data protection thingy:   http://www.google.com/search?q=HPQ0004+linux
[06:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> P2502, the deb is broken afaik
[06:48] <RAOF> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Only the Hardy one.  The one from winehq works fine.
[06:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ah
[06:48] <Raspberry> P2502: because the amd64 hardy deb is broken ... segfault... and the WineHQ amd64 deb for 0.9.55 doesn't work -- it just restarts X when you try to run an application that wants to use OpenGL or Direct3d
[06:49] <DanaG> I'd love to see that patch in the Ubuntu kernel.
[06:49] <CarlFK> tracker.cfg - where is run=No ?
[06:49] <DanaG> (The HP accelerometer.)
[06:49] <RAOF> DanaG: Couldn't it hit linux-ubuntu-modules?
[06:50] <DanaG> I'm not sure.
[06:51] <CarlFK> InitialSleep=5 billion
[06:51] <Raspberry> you guys seriously think it'll take 40 minutes to compile Wine? :p
[06:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, u can just disable the indexing process
[06:51] <DanaG> http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2007/3/23/69696
[06:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Raspberry, probly
[06:51] <Raspberry> cool
[06:51] <P2502> Raspberry: well you have a point but you may try earlier versions also, not 0.9.56
[06:51] <DanaG> chmod -x trackerd.
[06:51] <DanaG> Easy workaround.
[06:52] <DanaG> er, sudo chmod a-x
[06:52] <CarlFK> EnableIndexing=false ?
[06:52] <Raspberry> people are saying that 0.9.56 fixed a ton of stuff for them
[06:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> CarlFK, sure
[06:52] <CarlFK> thanks
[06:53] <P2502> Raspberry: it may never work for you if its drivers problem
[06:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> after .9.54, wine won't work on my box
[06:54] <P2502> Raspberry: nvm
[06:54] <P2502> Raspberry: if crossover works, wine should too at some point
[06:54] <DanaG> http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/11/60   --- looks like it CAN be made a module.
[06:55] <Raspberry> yeah I'm crossing my fingers
[06:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, there are patches for hdaps
[06:55] <Raspberry> I live just a few miles from Codeweavers' office -- I might have to stop down there with my laptop and nag Robert :P
[06:56] <RAOF> DanaG: Or you could just uninstall tracker, of course.
[06:56] <DanaG> This is HP's thing, though.
[06:56] <P2502> Raspberry: any errors in logs? what wine say before restart?
[06:57] <Raspberry> it says SURPRISE! you're going to have to log in again!  I hope you saved your work.
[06:57] <Raspberry> :P
[06:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, right, and u have to patch the kernel in order to build that module
[06:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> DanaG, and i dont think it's easy to ask them to do that to the kernel
[07:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> that's y it's ubuntu, not gentoo
[07:00] <P2502> Raspberry: !bug 178292
[07:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178292 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "3D-Accelerated Games cause X to crash with Intel Driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178292
[07:00] <Raspberry> yay!
[07:00] <Raspberry> that's it
[07:01] <Raspberry> good to see it's stilll "undecided" in Hardy
[07:01] <Raspberry> that's why  I got away from Gutsy
[07:01] <Raspberry> because apparently the most popular mobile video card isn't supported :P
[07:02] <Raspberry> I can use Compiz
[07:02] <Raspberry> so it's like it's half-working
[07:03] <Raspberry> this has been broken since at least December
[07:03] <Assid> okay i noticed it shows the weather and temperature now in the locations
[07:03] <Raspberry> because 3d has never worked properly on this new laptop
[07:03] <Assid> however the timezones are messed up there
[07:03] <Assid> still a valid bug?
[07:04] <Raspberry> yeah except my interpretation is that they're kinda-sorta-not going to fix it
[07:05] <Assid> err it says click here to view your appointments and tasks
[07:05] <Assid> where the hell are the apptments and tasks?
[07:07] <Assid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/196385
[07:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196385 in ubuntu "[hardy]clock preferances shows wrong timezone" [Undecided,New]
[07:13] <Raspberry> !bug 182584
[07:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182584 in wine "[hardy] Wine makes X crash (dup-of: 178292)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182584
[07:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178292 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "3D-Accelerated Games cause X to crash with Intel Driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178292
[07:18] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i wonder if u can start another instance of NM in order to get both lan and wlan connected
[07:18] <Raspberry> this is my favorite currently open bug
[07:18] <Raspberry> !bug 177492
[07:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177492 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "EXA is balls-achingly slow" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177492
[07:19] <bazhang> !ohmy | ubotu
[07:19] <ubotu> ubotu: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:19] <hischild> hAhahaha
[07:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[07:26] <Raspberry> it seems like this might actualy be the bug.
[07:26] <Raspberry> !bug 178543
[07:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178543 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "i965 fails to render textures in 3D programs when DRI enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178543
[07:27] <Raspberry> the frustrating part of this problem is that it doesn't work in ANY version of Ubuntu :)
[07:30] <P2502> is it really ubuntu problem or intel problem?
[07:30] <P2502> well... since intel is open source now, you may say its intell community problem
[07:31] <Raspberry> they released new drives a month ago
[07:31] <ethana2> ok..
[07:31] <Raspberry> and last time I checked they weren't what the package was based on
[07:31] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> do other distros have this problem?
[07:31] <ethana2> I got some help on #kvm..
[07:31] <ethana2> what problem?
[07:32] <P2502> Raspberry: you mean ubuntu driver is outdated?
[07:33] <P2502> try one from upstream then
[07:35] <Raspberry> how can I get more upstream?
[07:36] <Raspberry> the only suse issue I can find is that people were running the i810 and updating to the Intel driver fixed it... http://suseforums.net/index.php?showtopic=39824
[07:37] <P2502> well this is site http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html
[07:37] <Raspberry> yeah I've been there
[07:37] <Raspberry> that just seemed a bit confusing
[07:37] <P2502> nvidia have new driver also, but not in ubuntu repo
[07:38] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> P2502, they do?
[07:38] <P2502> but nvidia released new driver, it was expected to fix some bugs and add support for 9600... why they even released it...
[07:39] <P2502> some bug like broken alpha textures in ut2004 and other games
[07:39] <Raspberry> what the heck is git-clone?
[07:39] <P2502> which worked fine in 100.14.19 but not in 169 series
[07:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> P2502, beta?
[07:39] <P2502> no
[07:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what's the ver number?
[07:39] <P2502> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=108879
[07:39] <P2502> 169.12
[07:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ut2004 runs fine here
[07:40] <P2502> what card?
[07:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> fx 570m
[07:40] <P2502> 169.09 driver?
[07:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ya.
[07:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> wait, it maybe 2003, let me check
[07:41] <P2502> they also have graphics corruptions of many kinds like with 4xAA
[07:41] <P2502> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=29425&d=1197751698
[07:42] <P2502> this is broken alpha textures in MANY games
[07:42] <bazhang> any broadcom 43xx support in Hardy?
[07:43] <P2502> this is from ut http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=29479&d=1198056440
[07:44] <P2502> i reported 4xAA artefacts but got no answer
[07:45] <Assid> P2502: new drivers out ?
[07:45] <Assid> we getting it?
[07:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> P2502, ya ut2004demo
[07:46] <Raspberry> hmm
[07:46] <Raspberry> some people are reporting xserver-xgl fixes the problem
[07:46] <Raspberry> but I can't believe that
[07:46] <Raspberry> seems like it's a MESA issue
[07:49] <savvas> The following packages have unmet dependencies: onboard: Depends: python-virtkey (>= 0.50) but 0.42 is to be installed
[07:49] <Raspberry> yeah
[07:50] <Raspberry> that's beeen hosed most of the night
[07:51] <savvas> ok, is the unknown types a known issue?
[07:51] <Raspberry> wow
[07:51] <Raspberry> MESA is HUGE
[07:52] <Raspberry> like 140MB
[07:52] <savvas> what's mesa?
[07:52] <Raspberry> it's the plateau that all drivers aspire to sit on
[07:53] <ethana2> wait, what?
[07:53] <ethana2> you mean gallium?
[07:53] <bazhang> so no clue on the broadcom 43xx issue?
[07:53] <Raspberry> no
[07:53] <Raspberry> broadcom does not play nicely with out
[07:53] <savvas> http://pastebin.ca/raw/921710
[07:53] <Raspberry> others
[07:54] <Assid> Raspberry: any chance we getting the new drivers?
[07:54] <bazhang> ah thanks Raspberry
[07:54] <Raspberry> Assid: new drivers for what?
[07:55] <Assid> nvidia
[07:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> nvidia
[07:56] <Raspberry> this photo is just kinda creepy... http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-12/34202595.jpg
[07:58] <klaxian> hello...can anyone help? i keep getting this error when trying to play dvds with ogle: failed opening the oss audio driver at /dev/dsp
[07:58] <klaxian> it's new since some recent upgrades
[07:58] <klaxian> /dev/dsp does exist and is readable/writable by my user
[07:58] <Raspberry> ok
[07:58] <Raspberry> I've wasted 10 hours trying to get 3d working
[07:59] <Raspberry> I should probably get some work done
[08:02] <TheInfinity> Raspberry: alphatesting is fun, hmm? ;)
[08:02] <Raspberry> better than doing my actual work
[08:02] <Raspberry> although I think my customers would beg to differ
[09:37] <Mohero|Work> l0l @ bazhang
[09:37] <qzio> [Hardy]TuTUXG: yeah, i've got texteditor there, but i still get the prompt. I guess edit -> pref -> behavior is what im looking for..
[09:38] <bazhang> preferred applications perhaps?
[09:38] <qzio> aha! it was +x thats why i got the dialog box. :) now im happy
[09:38] <Mohero|Work> qzio: is it asking if you want to run in terminal, Display, Cancel, or Run ?
[09:39] <Mohero|Work> yeah, +x will give you that
[09:39] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> time to try the new nv driver
[09:39] <qzio> Mohero|Work: yupp, that was the dialog, with -x on the file, i dont get it :)
[09:47] <cYmen> hi guys
[09:47] <cYmen> is it permitted to ask for support for hardy and kde4? :)
[09:54] <P2502> cYmen: just ask, if not be banned, big deal
[09:55] <P2502> actually this channel seems friendly
[09:55] <savvas> anyone has compiz enabled? do you also see a "disabled"-like colours on the titlebar when you mouse-over an active window?
[09:56] <cYmen> kde complains about missing shared libraries e.g. when trying to set a proxy - does anybody know how to fix that_
[09:56] <Mohero|Work> savvas: I have compiz at home, and no I don't think I do.....
[09:57] <P2502> savvas: its known bug
[09:57] <Mohero|Work> cYmen: I don't i'm afraid....
[09:58] <P2502> savvas: do you mean titlebar corruption?
[09:58] <P2502> cYmen: install libraries?
[09:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> just found out, with the new kernel, my laptop's power button doesnt work anymore
[10:01] <jussi01> cYmen: kde4 support is also in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[10:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> where to check the configuration for the login/out window?
[10:01] <Mohero|Work> [Hardy]TuTUXG: hey! mine doesn't either!!!
[10:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Mohero|Work, lol
[10:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what lap u have?
[10:02] <P2502> cYmen: you may find what packages provides required libraries at packages.ubuntu.com
[10:02] <Mohero|Work> [Hardy]TuTUXG: I couldn't say when it happened though, I never use it, I always keyboard shortcut FN + ESC to sleep.
[10:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Mohero|Work, ya, i always just lock the screen
[10:03] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> that button can still be recognized tho
[10:05] <Mohero|Work> [Hardy]TuTUXG: I can't remember the last time I turned my laptop off...
[10:06] <savvas> P2502: found it - Bug #194507 :)
[10:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194507 in firefox-3.0 "titlebar flashes and goes blank randomly and when moused over" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194507
[10:07] <Mohero|Work> savvas: confirm it - with your reasons :)
[10:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Mohero|Work, i have to since suspend/hibernate nver works on mine :(
[10:07] <savvas> done and done
[10:07] <savvas> I enriched it too :P
[10:08] <savvas> it looks like it happens in firefox when you enable compiz
[10:08] <savvas> firefox-2 and -3.0
[10:09] <savvas> ok, 5 bugs, enough for today hehe
[10:09] <Amaranth> who just exploding that bug with stuff?
[10:09] <Mohero|Work> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Suspend works fine one mine - it's funny though - it goes into suspend, when I open the lid, it recovers from suspend, displays the password box, and goes back into suspend, I press the power button to bring it out, it comes up with the password screen, I unlock the system, and i get a notice on the system tray saying "your computer failed to suspend" - err... no it didn't...
[10:10] <cYmen> P2502: trouble is, it doesn't tell me which libraries are the problem ;)
[10:10] <savvas> Amaranth: which bug?
[10:10] <Amaranth> savvas: Quality, not quantity
[10:10] <Amaranth> bug 194507 is half a page of nominations
[10:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194507 in firefox-3.0 "titlebar flashes and goes blank randomly and when moused over" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194507
[10:10] <Amaranth> and the bug is a dupe
[10:10] <savvas> er.. oops?
[10:11] <flipstar> its for 7.10..? doesnt work here..
[10:11] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Mohero|Work, better than mine, suspend just turns the power off, hibernate breaks my swap
[10:12] <P2502>  cYmen: what exact error you get? and what version of OS you useing? for example kubuntu-kde4 alpha shipped with mix of kde 3 and 4 software
[10:12] <savvas> Amaranth: I nominated it because it was happening since june 2007
[10:12] <savvas> since a gutsy tribe
[10:12] <P2502>  cYmen: and much kde3 software required porting to kde4 to work
[10:13] <Amaranth> savvas: it's bug 99508
[10:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99508 in compiz "Window titlebar displayed not right with compiz enabled" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99508
[10:13] <cYmen> P2502: i downloaded the image yesterday only installed and ran apt-get update/-grade
[10:13] <Amaranth> been around since feisty
[10:13] <cYmen> when i try to configure a proxy i get a message that shared libraries are missing and that i may have old versions installed or something
[10:14] <Mohero|Work> bag #132877 I reported back in august '07 when I got my 8 series, I think there's a couple of Dups, but it's STILL not sorted out.
[10:14] <ethana2> the bar In virt-manager with the run, pause, and shutdown buttons takes up way too much screen space
[10:14] <ethana2> I need it gone
[10:14] <Mohero|Work> and my screen saying "out of range" is seriousely annoying
[10:14] <Mohero|Work> * bug #132877
[10:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132877 in ubuntu "Gforce 8 series screen blanks "out of sync" during usplash boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132877
[10:15] <Amaranth> Mohero|Work: nvidia sucks, what else is new?
[10:15] <P2502> what monitor?
[10:15] <Amaranth> P2502: afaik this happens on all Geforce 8 cards
[10:15] <P2502> i have out of range to but in my case it is monitor issue and i use geforce 7
[10:15] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: no - works fine on my Gforce 6 and 7 series cards and the 8 works fine on my Gentoo install - so I won't accept that as an excuse.
[10:15] <Amaranth> Mohero|Work: hello, see the different numbers?
[10:16] <Amaranth> Mohero|Work: And laptop vs desktop
[10:16] <Amaranth> oh, you said gentoo :P
[10:16] <savvas> Amaranth: it's not corrupted, the titlebar in my case takes completely the colours of an inactive window
[10:16] <Amaranth> well, they use something different
[10:16] <Amaranth> savvas: yeah, that happens sometimes too
[10:16] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: yes, something that works ;)
[10:16] <Amaranth> savvas: or you get a mix of active and inactive
[10:16] <savvas> Amaranth: no, just inactive colours, and for firefox only, unless i've missed other applications :P
[10:17] <Amaranth> Mohero|Work: Something that breaks other machines and apparently screws up suspend on some machines
[10:17] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: what does?
[10:17] <P2502> my monitor claim it support 75 Hz but it is not (EDID bug), so if nvidia driver chooses 75 Hz, monitor show out of range error
[10:17] <Amaranth> savvas: It happens randomly to all maximized applications when you're using a clearlooks-based metacity theme
[10:17] <Amaranth> Mohero|Work: the thing gentoo uses for bootsplash
[10:18] <savvas> Amaranth: ok i'll mark it as duplicate
[10:18] <Amaranth> savvas: And cosmetic issues never get backports, dunno why you nominated it for gutsy
[10:18] <Amaranth> s/backports/updates/
[10:18] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: Gensplash? its' crap - but at least I can see it ;) - I actually don't use Gensplash, I like to see the boot process, but on Ubutnu I like the Usplash non-quiet
[10:19] <Amaranth> can't actually do a backport, compiz requires a new Xorg
[10:19] <savvas> Amaranth: quick faulty fingers, didn't notice it, until I saw the page refresh :\
[10:19] <Amaranth> Mohero|Work: the Geforce 8 works differently and either no one know how or has taken the time to make usplash work with it
[10:20] <Amaranth> I don't think anyone even works on usplash anymore
[10:20] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: also Ubuntu seem obsessed with using a horrid screen mode by default - why not allow me to have console mode (including boot) at 1024x726 at least - on 24" monitors the default is just far too big.
[10:21] <Amaranth> you can set this in your grub boot options
[10:21] <Amaranth> of course i think the kernel module needed for it got removed from gutsy's initramfs...
[10:21] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: if no one works on usplash - and no one fixes bugs in it, then something else should be used or someone should take over the fixing of it IMHO - we as Linux can't state we support XYZ Hardware if when booting up that happens
[10:22] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: yeah it has, and it never worked - I compile my own kernel - but not until after release.
[10:22] <Amaranth> Mohero|Work: but usplash works for all but this 1% or so of people and I can't think of anything that is all around better
[10:23] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: no - it works for all but those that have an up-to-date GeForce card - which is a fair amount of people....
[10:23] <Amaranth> no, not really
[10:23] <Amaranth> More people have Intel than all nvidia
[10:23] <Mohero|Work> sorry NV card actually, not just geforce, the Quadro's do it too
[10:23] <Amaranth> and then of nvidia cards i guarantee the majority don't have 8 series
[10:24] <Amaranth> the quadros that are based on the geforce 8 do it, sure
[10:24] <thoreauputic> the frame buffer support in both Gutsy and Hardy is broken. Apparently this is not considered a regression...
[10:24] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: let's not get into who has what, and what is better, point is - it's broken :)
[10:24] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: you mean vga= lines?
[10:24] <Amaranth> Mohero|Work: So fix it
[10:25] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: and there has been reports of people getting it to work with the 8 series cards, so it's possible to fix....
[10:25] <Amaranth> Mohero|Work: If you're not going to fix it then the problem is already known so there is no need to keep talking about it
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: anything that requires frame buffers without X is broken - yes vga= etc
[10:25] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: huh
[10:25] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: it's fixable iwth hacking initramfs etc
[10:26] <Mohero|Work> Amaranth: I'll have a go at fixing it, sure, it would just be nice to know sometimes that "by the way we don't work on this anymore" <- then something else should be used to replace it
[10:26] <thoreauputic> but it's interesting that this has worked in Linux for at least ten years and suddenly Ubuntu breaks it :)
[10:26] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: yeah, just edit a config file then rebuild the initramfs
[10:27] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: right - but in my case I am making non-X live CDs and don't know if that will work on other people's hardware
[10:28] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: I see Ben Collins has supposedly committed a change regarding vesafb, so we'll see
[10:34] <Raspberry> I'm interested in paying a developer to fix the 3d mesa / intel problem
[10:34] <Raspberry> who do I talk to
[10:34] <Raspberry> do I just pick a package maintainer at random or contact them all
[10:35] <Raspberry> it's been broken for 3 months+ and that's as much as my free heart can take
[10:36] <Mohero|Work> Raspberry: you could try contacting the "group" of maintainers, someone might be up for earning some money
[10:36] <thoreauputic> Raspberry: do you have a bug number?
[10:36] <Raspberry> thoreauputic: there are at least a dozen bugs that relate to this issue
[10:37] <Mohero|Work> if you have a bug and aren't funding it's fixing, or doing it yourself, then there's no telling when it wil be fixed...
[10:37] <thoreauputic> Raspberry: I was just looking for an example, so I could read about it
[10:37] <Raspberry> I posted about 4 or 5 earlier tonight
[10:37] <Raspberry> let me find them
[10:38] <Raspberry> i mean, I posted the bug #s in this channel, I didn't open the bugs
[10:38] <thoreauputic> I follow
[10:38] <Raspberry> here's one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/182584
[10:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182584 in wine "[hardy] Wine makes X crash (dup-of: 178292)" [Undecided,New]
[10:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178292 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "3D-Accelerated Games cause X to crash with Intel Driver" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:39] <thoreauputic> thanks, looking...
[10:39] <Raspberry> here's another -- which really isnt' my issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/173177
[10:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173177 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "intel video driver produces visual corruption on 945GM chipset" [Medium,Triaged]
[10:40] <Raspberry> this is kinda my issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/178543
[10:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178543 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "i965 fails to render textures in 3D programs when DRI enabled" [Medium,Confirmed]
[10:41] <thoreauputic> seems to be some action recently on #173177
[10:41] <Raspberry> i can reproduce all of those and have been able to since December
[10:41] <Raspberry> well since November / Dcember
[10:41] <Raspberry> December
[10:42] <Raspberry> if I try to run a native 3d app (besides glxgears) in linux I get ~3fps
[10:42] <P2502> we asked you... have you tried another distro btw?
[10:42] <Raspberry> if I try to run an app that requires direct3d or opengl in linux it just restarts X
[10:42] <Raspberry> yes
[10:43] <P2502> so?
[10:43] <P2502> i mean and?
[10:43] <Raspberry> I didn't really have the problems in SuSE
[10:43] <[CroX]> Is there an easy way to upgrade to Hardy before it's released?
[10:43] <P2502> wow
[10:43] <Raspberry> but I didn't do heavy testing in SuSE because
[10:43] <Raspberry> I couldn't stand it
[10:43] <Raspberry> it was so slow to update packages
[10:44] <thoreauputic> 3 fps in tuxracer... oops :(
[10:44] <Raspberry> oh and the kicker is
[10:44] <Raspberry> even in Hardy Ubuntu wine works fine no reboots in Crossover
[10:44] <Raspberry> so it's something specific to the intel driver and the way wine is being compiled
[10:45] <Raspberry> I think the apps would run faster not running crossover
[10:45] <Raspberry> so I'd rather run 0.9.56 wine
[10:45] <P2502> i have a fear... that linux may be more expensive... even if its free
[10:46] <Raspberry> Linux wiztech-tablet 2.6.24-10-generic #1 SMP Fri Feb 22 18:26:06 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:46] <Raspberry> and I don't care
[10:46] <popey> !hardy | [CroX] #
[10:46] <ubotu> [CroX] #: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[10:46] <Raspberry> I run my own company and being able to stay in linux rather than reboot into vista is worth a premium
[10:46] <popey> [CroX]: that page tells you how
[10:47] <Zambezi> I have a really, really odd problem now. For some reason Ubuntu is eating space on my harddrive.
[10:47] <[CroX]> popey: Ah, there it is. Thanks.
[10:47] <popey> Zambezi: baobab will tell you where it is eating space
[10:47] <Raspberry> like I said earlier -- I live about 10~12 miles north of the Codeweavers (wine developers) office
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Zambezi: logs? Checked /var/log/* ?
[10:48] <Raspberry> and I could just go in there and pester them, but I'd have to pay them too :p
[10:49] <Zambezi> thoreauputic: Just noticed it so haven't checked them.
[10:50] <thoreauputic> Zambezi: might be worth checking /tmp too - I once had a program dump debugging logs in /tmp and use Gigs of space :)
[10:50] <thoreauputic> my fault since I used the -d flag to qemu :)
[10:51] <flipstar> Zambezi: try filelight :=)
[10:51] <[CroX]> Will network-manager get support to "Create new wireless network" using WPA2? Currently it can only "Connect to other.." to such a network and therefor it doesn't seem to autoconnect.
[10:51] <thoreauputic> baobab > filelight :)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> [CroX]: does the driver for your card support wpa2 ?
[10:53] <Zambezi> Home only takes 1,5 GB, but still 0 bytes free.
[10:53] <[CroX]> thoreauputic: Yes. I can connect just fine but only using "Connect to other..". The dialog that pops up when selecting "Create new wireless.." doesn't contain WPA2 for some reason.
[10:54] <[CroX]> ..only WPA.
[10:54] <thoreauputic> [CroX]: not sure, but isn't "Create new... " for ad-hoc ? Doesn't work here either, but I'm on Feisty currently on my laptop ( PPC)
[10:54] <[CroX]> thoreauputic: I'm on Feisty too. :) Just wondering wether Hardy will fix that or not.
[10:55] <thoreauputic> I don't know, sorry
[10:55] <thoreauputic> I've stayed with Feisty on muy iBook, because it doesn't like anything more recent and I'm lazy :)
[10:56] <thoreauputic> s/muy/my
[10:56] <[CroX]> One other thing then. I tried beta 4 this weekend, not knowing b5 had been released, and Firefox3 was rendering some pages REAYLL wierd. It included its own repeated toolbar in the sites background and such. Is that a known problem or was it just me? :P
[10:57] <hischild> lol .. i join and they leave :(
[10:58] <[CroX]> hischild: Consider a shower. :>
[10:58] <Assid> Raspberry: i prefer virtualbox over wine
[10:59] <flipstar> [CroX]: it still has alpha status..not beta .. did you installed graphic drivers ?
[10:59] <hischild> [CroX], :(
[10:59] <hischild> [CroX], *dives into a shower* thar we go
[11:00] <Amaranth> Assid: but virtualbox is slower and needs a copy of windows
[11:00] <Assid> not that much slower.. and crashes less often
[11:00] <[CroX]> flipstar: The ones that were installed by default made X crash for me.
[11:00] <Assid> the apps work much better in that if you ask me
[11:01] <Amaranth> Assid: it can't be less than 30% slower
[11:01] <[CroX]> flipstar: So I gave up on that.
[11:01] <Amaranth> that's the "Unsafe Code Tax"
[11:01] <Assid> Amaranth: honestly, on my config i dont notice it 1 bit
[11:01] <Amaranth> basically all the overhead required for memory management
[11:02] <Amaranth> Assid: and then of course IO is like 10x slower
[11:02] <Assid> Amaranth: true at that..
[11:02] <Amaranth> but i suppose for lots of things if you have a fast computer and lots of RAM you won't notice
[11:02] <Assid> io .. not that much.. it was faster to load apps into virtualbox than native windows
[11:03] <Amaranth> that's because you have a nicely designed filesystem and sata subsystem feeding you data :P
[11:04] <Assid> hehe
[11:04] <Assid> i get the same 40-50MB/sec on each native io
[11:04] <Assid> i.e. ext3 on linux.. gives that speed.. ntfs on windows gives that speed
[11:05] <Assid> ntfs on linux however, drops to 1/2
[11:06] <nanonyme> well, you can't really rely on ntfs working Wine either though
[11:06] <Raspberry> Assid: virtualbox is a whole new environemnt
[11:06] <Raspberry> and I'd need a legitimate copy of windows
[11:06] <Assid> dont you have that?
[11:07] <Raspberry> i'm using all my licenses
[11:07] <nanonyme> and there are lots of people who actually have zero windows licenses :)
[11:07] <Raspberry> and I'd like to be one of those people
[11:07] <nanonyme> happens when you build your own computer
[11:08] <Raspberry> I have 5 machines and 2 windows licenses ... 1 for xp and 1 for vista
[11:08] <nanonyme> new bought machines usually come with Windows but the situation is completely different if you put it together from parts
[11:08] <Raspberry> all 5 machines have linux
[11:09] <Raspberry> man I am drinking this awesome Bourbon Stout
[11:09] <Raspberry> fantastic
[11:09] <Raspberry> I'm American... i don't know if you can tell by my lack of respect and complete disregard for rules :P
[11:09] <hischild> hahaha oh yesh ... very important when it comes to fix it :P
[11:09] <Assid> we have rules?
[11:10] <Raspberry> This bournon stout that my friend sent me from chicago is fantastic... and it's 13% alcohol and a beer :P
[11:10] <nanonyme> Assid, they're called laws? :)
[11:10] <hischild> what? Raspberry? uhhhhh ... rules?
[11:11]  * dencrypt rulez
[11:12] <Raspberry> I went to Canada last year for two weeks and hung out in all the major central and eastern cities minus Winnipeg and Halifax... and everybody seemed to like me :P  They said I'm nothing like the typical American they read about in the newspaper
[11:12] <Raspberry> :P
[11:13]  * Laser87 is glad to be German :-P
[11:13] <Raspberry> and the Canadian men were trying to hook  up with my g/f :P
[11:13] <Assid> i guess thats why they meant your nothing liekt he typical american
[11:13] <Raspberry> my uncle moved to Germany 30 years ago and I'm going over there this year / next year :)
[11:13] <Laser87> ur welcome
[11:14] <hischild> Raspberry, drop by :p you'll fly over me :p
[11:14] <Raspberry> now I have a German Aunt and Cousins
[11:15] <Laser87> where you're goin in Germany?
[11:15] <Raspberry> I'm fairly well known in ##php :P   I've been published in php magazine multiple times ... so I've got friends all over the globe :)   I need to stop in France, England, Egypt, Germany, Norway, Poland and a few other places
[11:16] <Laser87> :-D
[11:16] <Raspberry> Laser87: OsnaBruck
[11:16] <Raspberry> and then probably Black Forest and whever else
[11:17] <Laser87> that's about 300 mls from me - I live in Southern Germany
[11:17] <Raspberry> then the black forest should work :0
[11:17] <Laser87> ya - not too far
[11:17] <Raspberry> probably Hamburg too, but that doesn't help you :P
[11:18] <Raspberry> I live in Minnesota
[11:18] <Raspberry> we're heavily Germany and Scandinavian here
[11:18] <Laser87> then u know New-Ulm/Minnesota?
[11:18] <Laser87> I live in the original Ulm :-P
[11:18] <Raspberry> Yup been there, grew up about 60 miles from there...
[11:19] <Assid> Raspberry: thats a lie.. i dont know you in ##php
[11:19] <Raspberry> they still have Polka festivals there and in May they have the Maibock festival
[11:19] <Raspberry> Assid: ask TML, HolyGoat, Caffeine or any of the other regulars
[11:20] <Assid> hehehe
[11:20] <Raspberry> i've even hired some of them :P
[11:21]  * Laser87 cd /home/bathroom/shower
[11:21] <Assid> okay help me fix this bug in php 5.2.5
[11:21] <Raspberry> I want to head over to Deutschland, but I have to wait until this recession is over here
[11:21] <Raspberry> Assid: let's talk about it in ##php
[11:21] <savvas> i'd be going all over the world too if it weren't for bush trying to minimilise my country :-)
[11:21] <Raspberry> Assid: and I don't fix the php codebase
[11:22] <Assid> how about pm instead
[11:22] <Assid> err.. you know how to work valgrind?
[11:22] <Raspberry> savvas: well hopefully that'll change after November
[11:22] <Raspberry> savvas: he has a 19% approval rating in his own country....
[11:23] <savvas> they already took kosovo, god knows how many regions will be cut off in serbia
[11:23] <savvas> *from serbia even
[11:24] <Raspberry> so you're part of the group that would riot against the embasy :P
[11:24]  * savvas tcpspy Laser87 
[11:24] <savvas> eh
[11:24] <savvas> how would you feel it they cut off washington? :)
[11:25] <Raspberry> i'm not disagreeing
[11:25] <Laser87> savvas: ?
[11:25] <savvas> but i'm glad i wasn't part of that hooligans
[11:25] <Raspberry> I think the US is bullying too much
[11:25] <savvas> *those
[11:25] <savvas> Laser87: you were going for a shower..?
[11:25] <savvas> :P
[11:25] <napsy_> Anyone else having trouble with synaptics touchpad?
[11:26] <Laser87> savvas: have to... smelling... :-(
[11:26] <Raspberry> napsy_: no
[11:26] <savvas> Laser87: i thought it was a public showcase since you announced it, j/k :p
[11:26] <savvas> don't have a laptop, so no :)
[11:26] <napsy_> xorg doesn't recognise my touchpad
[11:27] <Laser87> savvas: sry - no webcam :-D
[11:27] <savvas> napsy_: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[11:27] <Raspberry> xorg doesn't really recognize my video card :P
[11:27] <napsy_> already reported the bug
[11:27] <savvas> napsy_: with lspci -nnv ?
[11:28] <napsy_> tpconfig sees the touchpad
[11:28] <napsy_> Found Synaptics Touchpad.
[11:28] <napsy_> Firmware: 8.96 (multiple-byte mode).
[11:28] <napsy_> just don't know what to put in xorg.conf
[11:30] <savvas> you could try using an entry from an older gutsy installation
[11:30] <napsy_> hm I lost the old xorg.conf
[11:30] <hischild> i can give you mine (touchpad :-))
[11:30] <savvas> you've got some wiki helpful tips in gentoo http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Synaptics_Touchpad#Automatic_Configuration
[11:31] <napsy_> hm i'll try
[11:31] <savvas> Raspberry: you're american, who's the favourite candidate now? obama? :P
[11:32] <hischild> napsy_, you want it or you goin to try a diff method
[11:32] <napsy_> hischild: please send it
[11:32] <savvas> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2006/12/10/tweaking-your-synaptics-touchpad-laptops-ubuntu-6061-610/
[11:33] <hischild> i hope your in the other channel as well :p
[11:33] <hischild> i posted it there by accident
[11:34] <savvas> heh :p
[11:36] <Joelio> I'm having trouble getting vmware player working in Heron amd64... I think the vmware player install needs patching as it's erroring when trying to create the modules.. anyone have a fix?
[11:36] <napsy__> arr uncool. my x just crashed
[11:37] <savvas> need someone to confirm Bug #196439 and bug #196441
[11:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196439 in apport "while uploading the reports apport lags the rest of the internet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196439
[11:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196441 in apport "cannot upload more than one apport crash reports at the same time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196441
[11:37] <napsy__> hischild: can you put your xorg file to pastebin
[11:37] <hischild> full pastebin? comin up
[11:37] <flipstar> savvas: does this happen whenever you upload something ?
[11:38] <savvas> flipstar: every time
[11:38] <savvas> oh you mean not just for apport ?
[11:38] <flipstar> yes
[11:38] <savvas> dunno, let me try it
[11:39] <iositd_> http://pastebin.com/m840686c
[11:40] <hischild> napsy_, ^
[11:40] <savvas> someone ping me please
[11:40] <hischild> ip?
[11:40] <napsy__> tnx
[11:40] <dencrypt> 12:40 [freenode] [ctcp(savvas)] PING 1204198833 718841
[11:40] <savvas> flipstar: you're right, it happens while uploading in general
[11:41] <flipstar> this shouldnt be a linux problem..do you use a modem ?
[11:41] <savvas> ethernet
[11:41] <savvas> an adsl router
[11:41] <flipstar> yes..cable modem maybe..?
[11:41] <savvas> i haven't noticed it before
[11:42] <savvas> i mean in gutsy or feisty
[11:42] <flipstar> linux generally uses traffic sharping.. i had the problem also once...i just did get a new modem and the problem dissapeared..
[11:43] <savvas> I'm going to buy a new router one of these days, I hope you're right
[11:44] <flipstar> my isp just sponsored one :)
[11:44] <savvas> hm ?
[11:44] <flipstar> i just told them i had problem with the old one
[11:44] <savvas> I did that twice this year :P
[11:44] <savvas> I think it's better to buy a good router and give it and them a rest :)
[11:45] <flipstar> if it wont work you still can give it back :P
[11:45] <savvas> I also experience some "choking" while I use the bittorrent network
[11:47] <savvas> um.. does anyone know if nvidia-glx-config is contained in any package ?
[11:48] <cwillu> sure you need it?
[11:48] <flipstar> nvidia-glx probably ..
[11:48] <savvas> $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-new
[11:48] <savvas> nvidia-glx-new: Installed: 169.09+2.6.24.9-10.27
[11:49] <savvas> Bug #196503
[11:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196503 in command-not-found "nvidia-glx-config command not found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196503
[11:49] <savvas> cwillu: just crashing bugs, i don't really need it
[12:03] <Laser87> re
[12:04] <Laser87> savvas: fyeo - http://capriv8.de/me.jpg
[12:04] <savvas> EWWWWWW
[12:04] <savvas> i was kidding!
[12:04] <savvas> :P
[12:05] <Laser87> :)
[12:06] <Oli``> hey does anybody have any issues installing avant-window-navigator in hardy? I keep getting errors from apt
[12:06] <Sliss> I use the curved awn without problems for a long time
[12:07] <Sliss> After todays upgrade Gnome doesn't startup, what can I do?
[12:08] <Oli``> does it give you any errors?
[12:10] <Sliss> nope.. just a yellow screen and a mouse
[12:11] <Sliss> in recovery mode I am able to enter gnome btw
[12:11] <Sliss> compiz error?
[12:13] <flipstar> does compiz run at startup ?
[12:13] <flipstar> then try glxinfo | grep direct
[12:14] <Sliss> I didnt check this time. but it normally does yes (I try next time I boot into Ubuntu)
[12:14] <flipstar> since when you occure this ?
[12:15] <Sliss> todays upgrade
[12:15] <Sliss> 2 hours agoo I think
[12:16] <Sliss> also it seams that my machine does not get an ip address
[12:16] <flipstar> hm dhcp3 was updated..
[12:16] <Sliss> so I cant run a next upgrade
[12:17] <flipstar> check if it run+you have nameservers..
[12:17] <flipstar> err dhcp server
[12:17] <Sliss> ;-)
[12:18] <Sliss> ok I reboot and see what I can do... could it be that a config file was overwritten?
[12:18] <Sliss>  /etc/dhcp3/..
[12:19] <flipstar> everything is possible..but shouldnt and btw it have to gather the dhcp server on his own..
[12:19] <Sliss> ok.. later..
[12:48] <qzio> i get an error when upgradeing onboard, pycentral is whineing
[12:49] <Milos_SD> qzio, Reload repos one again
[12:50] <Milos_SD> it is fixed
[12:50] <qzio> sweet
[12:50] <qzio> reloaded, still same error..
[12:51] <qzio> im going torwards the ftp.se repo
[12:51] <flipstar> main more is probably more up to date ..
[12:51] <flipstar> *mirror
[12:54] <qzio> main.. that is? just ftp.ubun or? ftp.uk?
[12:54] <qzio> im using se.archive.ubuntu.com ..
[12:55] <qzio> which version is it fixed in?
[12:55] <flipstar> just select main mirror from adept or synaptic..
[12:56] <Sliss> ok about the dhcp3 problem:
[12:57] <Sliss> in the /etc/dbus-1/system.d/dhcdbd.conf  it is prefilled with com.redhat.dhcp
[12:59] <Sliss> which is I guess could be the the cause? message said: message_handler not found under /com/redhat/eth0 for snb-path eth0.dbus.get.reason
[12:59] <Sliss> flipstar: did I discuss this with you?
[13:00] <flipstar> same thing here with /etc/dbus-1/system.d/dhcdbd.conf but here it is working i guess
[13:01] <flipstar>  /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf is the real interesting thing
[13:03] <flipstar> hm what does ifup say ?
[13:03] <qzio> hm, changed to main server, still same problem.
[13:03] <qzio> is there a bug report i can look at maybe :)
[13:04] <Milos_SD> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/onboard/+bug/196378
[13:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196378 in python-central "onboard fails to upgrade hardy heron" [Undecided,Fix released]
[13:05] <Mohero|Work> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/28/ps3s_put_to_use_simulating_blackholes/
[13:05] <Mohero|Work> cool!
[13:06] <Mohero|Work> i'm guessing it wasn't ubuntu that he used...
[13:07] <FreezeS> hey guys
[13:08] <Milos_SD> I think that Linux can not utilize all cpus in PS3
[13:08] <willis_> proberly using vista - since black holes suck so much... vista would be ideal.
[13:08] <willis_> :)
[13:08] <Frogzoo> ps3 is tricky
[13:08] <Mohero|Work> Milos_SD: it seems it can utilise it enough :)
[13:08] <flipstar> linux can handle more than 1024 cpu's ..
[13:08] <FreezeS> I upgraded from feisty on 64 bit and when upgrading update-manager it throws a python error
[13:08] <FreezeS> is this a known bug ?
[13:08] <Mohero|Work> willis_: it's using Linux :P
[13:09] <Mohero|Work> FreezeS: depends on the error, really
[13:09] <Mohero|Work> FreezeS: have you search Launchpad...?
[13:09] <willis_> theres been some but with pyton i recall hearing about.. so i havent updated in a few days. :)
[13:09] <qzio> i cant find a bug report about the onboard package in launchpad/ubuntu/hardy.. :/
[13:10] <qzio> traceback says it is pycentral that causes it..
[13:10] <qzio> onboard_0.91_all.deb
[13:10] <FreezeS> Mohero|Work: it's on the first page :)
[13:10] <FreezeS> I only googled for it
[13:10] <Mohero|Work> 196378
[13:11] <Mohero|Work> qzio: bug 196378
[13:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196378 in python-central "onboard fails to upgrade hardy heron" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196378
[13:11] <Mohero|Work> is that the on?
[13:11] <Sliss> flipstar: I setup a second windows system so I can check directly
[13:11] <qzio> doh, i tried and searched for "onboard" in launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy and didnt get the result..
[13:11] <Mohero|Work> FreezeS: Google is of no use, not for bugs - is it on Launchpad?
[13:12] <FreezeS> well, there are a lot of bugs that seem related to my problem
[13:12] <FreezeS> the latest was 3 hours ago
[13:13] <Mohero|Work> FreezeS: I don't know what problem you have, or what error you're getting - so I'm not sure I'm going to be of much help without more info.
[13:15] <FreezeS> Mohero|Work: it's the same error as the one from 196378, but it's happening on update-manager
[13:18] <FreezeS> solved it eventually by ignoring dependencies when forcing the removal of update-manager
[13:19] <Mohero|Work> bug #196378
[13:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196378 in python-central "onboard fails to upgrade hardy heron" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196378
[13:20] <Mohero|Work> FreezeS: was the problem with Update-Manager or with update manager trying to upgrade a package and failing - and what was that package?
[13:20] <FreezeS> Mohero|Work: the problem was with apt-get trying to update the "update-manager" package
[13:21] <willis_> Hmm. I just updated and upgraded from the terminal fine.
[13:21] <Mohero|Work> me too
[13:22] <willis_> Hmm.. the update tool says i have 44 updates however..
[13:22] <FreezeS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-central/+bug/81845
[13:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81845 in python-central "update-manager crashes when installing python uno while upgrading to feisty" [High,Incomplete]
[13:22] <Milos_SD> we have xorg update ... :)
[13:22] <Mohero|Work> FreezeS: look on Launchpad - see it there is a bug regarding what you're seeing (not the onscreenbug - you're looking for a problem with updating package manager) if there isn't one you can file the bug, see if anyone else has it
[13:22] <FreezeS> hmm, I think they meant "while upgrading to hardy"
[13:23] <Sliss> flipstar: turns out thqt the /etc/network/interfaces does not hold any eth0  so ifup eth0 gives an error
[13:23] <FreezeS> anyway, the problem seems to be from python-central and they are notified by it
[13:23] <Mohero|Work> FreezeS: no- that's TO Feisty the bug is dated January 2007
[13:24] <flipstar> theres an update for python-central ..
[13:24] <FreezeS> damn, my mind has hardcoded the year to 2008 and didn't read the digits after 200
[13:24] <Milos_SD> Sliss, yes ... that command didn't worked on Gutsy
[13:25] <Mohero|Work> FreezeS: if the problem you've got is with Update-Manager then it's not the same bug...
[13:26] <Milos_SD> FreezeS, did you uninstalled all packeges that you compiled or install from getdeb ?
[13:26] <heret1c> wop
[13:26] <Sliss> anyway... to get bqck to the core of my problem: dhclient runned by the user dhcp
[13:26] <Sliss> but no ip
[13:27] <Mohero|Work> sorry lots to do - must get back to finishing this work before tomorrow's release.
[13:27] <FreezeS> Milos_SD: excuse my lack of knowledge, but what is "getdeb" ?
[13:28] <Milos_SD> web site where you can download new versions of programs in .deb :)
[13:28] <FreezeS> Milos_SD: I don't think I installed packages from there
[13:30] <FreezeS> oh, and also my gnome broke down, I'm on KDE now. I need to investigate why this happened
[13:31] <Milos_SD> FreezeS, you say that when you try to dist-upgrade, package manager give you an error?
[13:31] <Milos_SD> update-manager -d ?
[13:31] <FreezeS> Milos_SD: yes
[13:31] <FreezeS> and the error was when upgrading the "update-manager" package
[13:32] <janjokela> Hello, how is bluetooth working for the rest of you?
[13:32] <janjokela> it's been broken for me for like 1 month now
[13:33] <Milos_SD> FreezeS, did you tried sudo apt-get install -f ?
[13:34] <FreezeS> Milos_SD: yes, but it also broke because update-manager had some dependencies problems
[13:34] <FreezeS> the fix was to do a dpkg --force-dependencies -r update-manager
[13:34] <FreezeS> and then installing it from cache
[13:36] <dencrypt> How come alsamixer allways starts at 0 volume on all channel when i login?
[13:37] <Sliss> does nobody have any dhcp problem after todays upgrade?
[13:38] <Milos_SD> Sliss, what updates?
[13:38] <Milos_SD> Kernel updates?
[13:38] <Sliss> there was a dhcp3 upgrade today
[13:39] <Sliss> and from then I do have no network on my Linux laptop
[13:39] <FreezeS> where can I set the default audio hardware ?
[13:40] <Milos_SD> Sliss, I don't have that update :S
[13:40] <Milos_SD> is it for Hardy ? :)
[13:40] <Sliss> yep
[13:41] <Sliss> (why else would I be on this channel? ;))
[13:41] <Milos_SD> interesting ... I didn't installed that package this days, and I don't have it in update manager :S
[13:41] <flipstar> i just had it today..
[13:42] <Milos_SD> well, I don't know how to help you ... :(
[13:42] <Milos_SD> maybe someone else can ...
[13:42] <Sliss> tell me how your /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf looks like
[13:44] <Sliss> at my side a few options are enabled   like send host-name "<hostname>" which I guess is wrong
[13:44] <Milos_SD> it is enabled here too
[13:44] <flipstar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57697/
[13:44] <Milos_SD> but, my ADSL is working ... :S
[13:45] <Sliss> prepend domain-name-servers is not set here
[13:45] <flipstar> same here ..
[13:45] <flipstar> doesnt matter for dhcp adress ..
[13:45] <Milos_SD> but, that may be becouse of that I am using Roaming mode ...
[13:46] <Sliss> I was under the impression I was on roamong mode too
[13:48] <BUGabundo> should bug 196564 be sent upstream? or does LP do that?
[13:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196564 in firefox-3.0 "FF3 autocomplete is NOT case sensitive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196564
[13:49] <flipstar> urls are not case sensitive anyway ..
[13:49] <flipstar> google also
[13:49] <BUGabundo> flipstar: but files and directories are!
[13:49] <BUGabundo> see example
[13:50] <flipstar> ff3 is a webbrowser..?
[13:50] <BUGabundo>  * http://www.example.com/DEMO.txt
[13:50] <BUGabundo> * http://www.example.com/demo.txt
[13:51] <Sliss> if it where IIS it would work though ;-)
[13:52] <BUGabundo> yep
[13:52] <BUGabundo> but not everything in the world is AM$FT
[13:52] <BUGabundo> *M$FT
[13:52] <Sliss> how does roming mode work anyway?
[13:53] <BUGabundo> it tries to autodetect where it is, Sliss
[13:53] <flipstar> okay..i agree makes a different..
[13:53] <Sliss> can I test it commandline?
[13:53] <Sliss> run the script in debug mode?
[13:55] <Sliss> i guess at the end it is still using the dhclient to obtain an ip right?
[13:55] <BUGabundo> don't know Sliss
[13:55] <BUGabundo> I use it, sure
[13:56] <Milos_SD> does anybody know when will linux-backports-modules-hardy be available for update ... I have it in update manger, but it is grayed and can not install ... I'am waiting for that to become available, and that do the update to 2.6.24.10 kernel :)
[13:56] <BUGabundo> Linux rhino 2.6.24-10-generic #1 SMP Fri Feb 22 19:08:18 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[13:56] <BUGabundo> humm
[13:56] <BUGabundo> let me check synaptic
[13:57] <Milos_SD> I know that I can update kernel, but I want to be able to update that packege too :)
[13:58] <Milos_SD> and yes... do you have problems with left mouse click with that kernel? I know that I had them while I had that kernel ...
[13:59] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: I have all the linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-10-* available
[13:59] <BUGabundo> great question
[13:59] <BUGabundo> a few days back, I really had probs with the right mouse button
[13:59] <BUGabundo> but it went way.
[14:00] <Milos_SD> I know that I had problems with left mouse click, one click was switch for two clicks :S
[14:00] <FreezeS> is there a need for sudo to resolve the hostname ?
[14:00] <Milos_SD> linux-backports-modules-hardy:
[14:00] <Milos_SD>   Depends: linux-backports-modules-generic (=2.6.24.10.8) but 2.6.24.8.8 is to be installed
[14:00] <BUGabundo> nope FreezeS
[14:00] <Pici> My right mouse button is sticky, but I think thats related to the soda that spilled on it.
[14:00] <FreezeS> I couldn't run sudo because I didn't have an entry in hosts for my hostname
[14:01] <FreezeS> it always complained that it can't resolve my hostname
[14:01] <nanonyme> well, do you?
[14:01] <FreezeS> after I switched to single mode and added the line it worked
[14:01] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: I too have linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic
[14:01] <Milos_SD> 2.6.24.10 or 2.6.24.8 version? :)
[14:02]  * BUGabundo goes to recover old emails from backup cds
[14:02] <BUGabundo> Milos_SD: 10
[14:02] <BUGabundo> as I said before
[14:02] <Sliss> there is a known bug about this sudo behavior
[14:02] <BUGabundo> linux-backports-modules-hardy-generic
[14:02] <BUGabundo> linux-backports-modules-2.6.24-10-*
[14:02] <FreezeS> thanks Sliss
[14:02] <Milos_SD> who knows what is messed up here :)
[14:03] <Milos_SD> I don't have that version ... here it is .8 :S don't know why ...
[14:04] <moomo1> my Wine dont work
[14:04] <moomo1> why?
[14:04] <P2502> FreezeS: known bug
[14:04] <Milos_SD> install the one from winehq.org ...
[14:04] <moomo1> there is a new release, why its not in repo?
[14:04] <P2502> FreezeS: but im not sure they will fix it
[14:04] <flipstar> !hardy > moomo1
[14:05] <FreezeS> so if someone messes up his hostname he will need to go to single mode to fix it. Very nice
[14:05] <Sliss> he will just need to change the /etc/hosts file
[14:06] <FreezeS> Sliss: yes, and how can you do that if you can't become root ?
[14:06] <Sliss> thats what I did at least
[14:06] <moomo1> milos, how get from winehq? its only for gutsy, feisty, edgy, dapper.. not hardy
[14:06] <Milos_SD> get it for gutsy
[14:06] <Milos_SD> it will work
[14:06] <Milos_SD> or compile it your self :)
[14:06] <flipstar> FreezeS: boot into recovery and add you to sudoers
[14:06] <moomo1> i dont copmile self, it sucks, then you cant unisntall
[14:06] <flipstar> use checkinstall then
[14:07] <FreezeS> flipstar: yes, a very simple solution to a very simple problem...
[14:07] <Milos_SD> moomo1, you can -> sudo make uninstall from the source folder ;)
[14:07] <flipstar> and btw you can uninstall self compiled software
[14:08] <moomo1> i can?
[14:08] <flipstar> see above
[14:08] <Sliss> flipstar, make uninstall?
[14:08] <Milos_SD> BUGabundo, I have two linux-backports-modules-hardy packages ... one is like that, and other is linux-backports-mogules-hardy-generic (and only this one have .10) :S
[14:09] <flipstar> Sliss: with sudo, yes :P
[14:09] <Sliss> hehe
[14:09] <P2502> something is wrong, gnome allow to cancel copy now, and this keep part of the file, but there is no option to append to file if you copy again
[14:10] <Sliss> can I see somewhere commandline the latest upgrades om my machine?
[14:10] <P2502> what part of the file for?
[14:11] <Sliss> u are not very clear to me P2502
[14:12] <moomo1> hardy is getting good
[14:12] <moomo1> in alpha4 it was sucks
[14:12] <moomo1> now with alpha5+updates, its rox
[14:12] <Sliss> ...but as I can't boot into gnome now I can't test for you...unfortunatly
[14:13] <P2502> keyb layout switching still not work, and still no local time setting
[14:13] <P2502> instead of UTC
[14:14] <P2502> and week start from sunday!
[14:14]  * P2502 cries
[14:15] <P2502> but something fixed my slow 5-10 mb/s copy, it is 30 mb/s now
[14:17] <moomo1> how can ubuntu servers be so fast that i download 8000 kbyte/s ?
[14:17] <moomo1> when i update
[14:17] <dencrypt> magic
[14:17] <moomo1> oh
[14:17] <P2502> its local mirror
[14:17] <P2502> easy
[14:18] <moomo1> yeah, but local mirror is very fast still, 8000 kbyte/s is 8 mbyte/s, its crazy
[14:18] <P2502> maybe this mirror even located in your ISP network
[14:20] <moomo1> oh
[14:20] <flipstar> i guess it was a very small file ?
[14:21] <moomo1> no i downloaded from alpha4 to alpha5, 400 megabyte
[14:21] <moomo1> it said it would take some hours, it took a minute
[14:21] <P2502> 8 mbytes is ADSL limit
[14:21] <moomo1> i dont have ADSL
[14:21] <P2502> what you use?
[14:21] <moomo1> 100 mbit Ethernet
[14:22] <Habbie> 8 mbits is adsl limit
[14:22] <flipstar> so whats the problem..?
[14:22] <P2502> omg
[14:22] <moomo1> well, its so fast
[14:22] <flipstar> you can slow down if you want..
[14:22] <moomo1> dont want
[14:22] <Derevko> (24 mbit with adsl2+)
[14:22] <moomo1> but i didnt think it could be so fast, cuz nowhere else i can download so fast
[14:23] <flipstar> moomo1: they dont use 1mbit servers to serve the updates..
[14:23] <moomo1> ya, but many people use those servers to get update
[14:23] <flipstar> yes
[14:23] <flipstar> many people many server
[14:23] <moomo1> hmm.. can i use ubuntu to automatically check my gmail?
[14:23] <flipstar> much bandwidh
[14:24] <moomo1> can the guy who make the wine package for ubuntu plz update it to 0.9.56 ?
[14:26] <P2502> Derevko: i have adsl2+ link but contract involves traffic shaping to 512 kbit
[14:26] <moomo1> oh, sucks
[14:26] <Milos_SD> moomo1, I think that you can install Gutsy version of wine from winehq repo. I don't know exactly, becouse I compiled wine (with 3DMark patch)
[14:26] <Pici> !bug | moomo1
[14:26] <ubotu> moomo1: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[14:26] <moomo1> P2502, maybe you live in third-world country like Africa, Middle East, Poland or USA, if you want fast internet come to Sweden or Japan
[14:26] <rsk> moomo1: it is already 0.9.56
[14:26] <rsk> moomo1: but it's broken and will be fixed in 0.9.57
[14:26] <flipstar> moomo1: please notice hardy alpha is an development release ..
[14:27] <moomo1> rsk, mine is 0.9.55 and i find no update in ubuntu
[14:27] <P2502> moomo1: usa is third-world? nice
[14:27] <P2502> but im from russia
[14:27] <rsk> moomo1: ok weird i have 0.9.56
[14:27] <rsk> and i use the hardy repo
[14:27] <rsk> not the wine one
[14:28] <moomo1> P2502, yes they have a horribly outdated crappy internet infrastructure with slow internet speed, high prices. also its an undemocratic oppressive authorian state, kinda like Iraq, Jemen, Iran, etc
[14:28] <flipstar> ubotu says 0.9.55-0ubuntu1 is availible ..
[14:29] <flipstar> rsk: you use some external repos ?
[14:29] <moomo1> 320 Swedish kronor = 51 U.S. dollars = 34 euro. that is what i pay for 100 mbit/s internet with 5 ip addresses
[14:29] <rsk> no
[14:29] <rsk> only ubuntu repos
[14:30] <flipstar> for me only 0.9.56 is availible .....
[14:30] <flipstar> err
[14:30] <flipstar> 0.55
[14:31] <Derevko> moomo1: vdsl ? fiber?
[14:31] <rsk> oh.
[14:32] <rsk> i was wrong
[14:32] <rsk> i only have 0.9.55
[14:32] <P2502> moomo1: EU kinda support US in its "undemocratic" decisions and wars
[14:32] <rsk> sorry
[14:32] <rsk> wine --version $$
[14:33] <moomo1> P2502, but i live in sweden the most democratic and free country in the world, we have The Pirate Bay - the worlds largest bittorrent tracker
[14:34] <Assid> i wanna move to sweden
[14:35] <moomo1> yeah, its great country, we also have semlor and prinskorv
[14:35] <Assid> ?
[14:35] <rsk> moomo1 dont forget the _babes_
[14:35] <moomo1> yes, the swedish girls are the worlds hottest chicks, everybody agrees
[14:35] <rsk> im going to tantolunden today to pickup some with a few mates :>
[14:38] <Derevko> moomo1: 100 mbit with? vdsl ? fiber?
[14:38] <P2502> ethernet he said
[14:38] <rsk> vdsl can't go that fast afaik
[14:38] <rsk> must be fiber
[14:38] <rsk> and 100mbit vdsl would be much more expensive
[14:39] <P2502> we have many ethernet ISPs in city, city covered by ethernet networks
[14:39] <Habbie> vdsl2 can do 100
[14:39] <moomo1> its ethernet
[14:39] <Derevko> rsk: yes, vdsl2 can
[14:39] <moomo1> yes, city covered by fiber
[14:39] <moomo1> we dont have any VDSL or *DSL crap, we have Ethernet!
[14:39] <flipstar> moomo1: you have 100mbit simultane? up&down ?
[14:41] <P2502> but as he said he never get 8 mbytes/s, only with ubuntu updates
[14:41] <moomo1> flipstar, no its 100 mbit down, 10 mbit up... but i think there are people who have 100 up too
[14:41] <rsk> yea
[14:41] <rsk> there are also 1000/1000mbit connections in some cities
[14:41] <P2502> and 100 mbit is 12.5 mbytes/s
[14:41] <rsk> lund and piteå at least
[14:41] <rsk> but that's costly 80euro per month in lund
[14:41] <rsk> for example
[14:42] <Sliss> the file /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases does have all good info.... grr
[14:42] <moomo1> sweden is best, we have IKEA, Alfred Nobel, falukorv, Janssons frestelse, ABBA, pyttipanna, Tre kronor, The Pirate Bay, dalahäst, Kalles kaviar, Små grodorna, Peter Forsberg, Pippi Långstrump, Karlsson på taket, Ronja Rövardotter, Astrid Lindgren, Dolph Lundgren, semlor, raggmunk, Volvo, Saab, Ericsson, Carl von Linné, rövarspråket, Ahlgrens bilar, Magnus Samuelsson, Victoria Silvstedt, Peter Stormare, Stellan Skar
[14:42] <rsk> hahah
[14:42] <rsk> :D
[14:42] <moomo1> :D
[14:43] <rsk> and we have dag, the greatst quakeworld player of all time
[14:43] <moomo1> semlor taste good, Dolph Lundgreen is very cool, and små grodorna is awesome
[14:43] <Milos_SD> Ok, I have found one bug in keyboard indicator :) When I configure it the way that I can change layouts by presing right super key, I doesn't react :S
[14:44] <rsk> Milos_SD:  i think that's reported actually
[14:44] <rsk> chek launchpad
[14:45] <P2502> and russia have boris berezovskiy...
[14:45] <moomo1> boris who?
[14:45] <P2502> :D
[14:45] <moomo1> well they have Kasparov, hes cool
[14:46] <flipstar> and vodka and ak-47 :P
[14:46] <moomo1> ya
[14:46] <rsk> hope kasparov wins the elections
[14:47] <moomo1> and USA has waterboarding, torture, domestic wiretapping, DMCA, PATRIOT ACT, george bush, extraordinary rendition, dick cheney, michael jackson, mcdonalds, etc
[14:47] <rsk> they also sends cool threatletters to TPB
[14:48] <moomo1> yeah, from those assholes at MPAA, RIAA, and BSA
[14:48] <rsk> only thing missing in sweden is.. linux in all schools and goverment
[14:49] <rsk> then i coldn't complain about anything
[14:50] <moomo1> yeah, and we could have less gipsys too
[14:51] <moomo1> linux in all schools and goverment would be awesome
[14:51] <moomo1> with mandatory use of OpenDocument Format (ODF), and PDF, and open formats such as TXT
[14:51] <P2502> not until they fix keyb layout switching bug
[14:51] <flipstar> err why dont you join #sweden-rocks!
[14:53] <moomo1> oh, i gonna do t hat
[14:54] <flipstar> maybe there is someone who cares..
[14:54] <moomo1> but someone asshole have murder our anna lindh :(( she was good, why dont nobody murder bush?
[14:56] <FreezeS> moomo1: you have gypsies in sweeden ?
[14:57] <moomo1> unfortunately, yes :(
[14:58] <FreezeS> and don't tell me.... they came from Romania ?
[14:58] <moomo1> i dont know
[14:58] <TheInfinity> FreezeS: i think this will depend on definition of "gypsie" ;)
[14:58] <FreezeS> semi-nomadic people with an inclination to criminality
[14:58] <moomo1> yes
[14:59] <FreezeS> we used to have lots and lots of them
[14:59] <FreezeS> but lots of them left
[14:59] <moomo1> and one of them threw a candy paper on my mom once!
[14:59] <FreezeS> and now we only have lots of gypsies
[14:59] <FreezeS> the other lot has spreaded through europe and now almost everybody thinks they are romanians
[15:00] <flipstar> omg
[15:02] <TheInfinity> FreezeS: you can find "gypsis" who just have no money to pay a place to live in
[15:03] <moomo1> but on the upside, we have no jews, and very few hard-core christians
[15:03] <moomo1> but the sucks thing is that all iraqis come to sweden
[15:03] <TheInfinity> moomo1: and some radical right idiots who sometimes swap over to here :/
[15:04] <moomo1> if iraqis dont stop come here, soon we will have censorship and stoning of gay people here too
[15:05] <Pici> !coc
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[15:05] <moomo1> oh
[15:05] <Pici> !o4o
[15:05] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1. Controversial topics, which always turn into flamewars: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space or time travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[15:05] <moomo1> oh okie, i must be good person who dont say bad things
[15:06] <moomo1> i use compiz, and have pink shadows :(
[15:06]  * Sliss giggles... how girly that must be :-)
[15:09] <moomo1> ya
[15:09] <moomo1> im a guy, so i cant have that
[15:09]  * Sliss grins
[15:09] <Sliss> sure dude
[15:13] <Pici> moomo1: I suggest you look for and/or log a bug if you are having issues with Hardy.
[15:13] <moomo1> ya, idid
[15:20] <P2502> dont you fell moving windows in compiz is kinda erratic?
[15:21] <P2502> and if i enable then disable it, i cant properly return to normal desktop... i see no desktop until switch consoles
[15:22] <moomo1> doesnt someone think the wobbly windows is good, but a bit too wobbly?
[15:23] <P2502> actually i heard discussions which involves statements "linux compiz is better than vista aero, you dont have cool wobbly windows and etc" but what these effects for?
[15:24] <P2502> sound like a toy of some kind
[15:24] <Sliss> it is
[15:24] <Sliss> but it is grafically quite nice
[15:24] <Sliss> moomo1: you can change the compiz settings
[15:25] <moomo1> sliss, ya i know, but i thinkt he default is abit too wobbly many? maybe someone agree
[15:25] <moomo1> like they made it much wobbly to show it off cool :p
[15:25] <P2502> well these wobbly windows not use cpu time at least, unlike minimize/maximize
[15:26] <moomo1> oh
[15:26]  * savvas wobbles about compiz-style
[15:27] <P2502> my games broken with compiz, no compiz for me
[15:27] <savvas> my games work with compiz :)
[15:27] <P2502> gnometris?
[15:27] <wastrel> any thinkpad users having trouble with their integrated card reader?
[15:27] <moomo1> i have a game (Tibia) that dont work well with Compiz (because of window decorator plugin), but i use compiz anyway with an regex exception to exclude the game window
[15:27] <savvas> enemy territory
[15:27] <wastrel> mine works once and then doesn't.
[15:28] <savvas> but gnometris works fine too
[15:28] <moomo1> savvas, you run Enemy Territory in fullscreen or window mode?
[15:28] <P2502> actually i think gnometris has major design flaw, it start having input lag more you play
[15:28] <moomo1> oh
[15:29] <moomo1> japanese can play tetris at lvl 100
[15:29] <savvas> fullscreen moomo1, there's no point in playing an action/firt person game in a window :P
[15:29] <moomo1> they play so fast
[15:29] <moomo1> savvas, true
[15:29] <moomo1> savvas, i asked because i have a game that works fine in fullscreen but behaves strange in window mode
[15:29] <Sliss> not true
[15:29] <Sliss> you can open up 2 windows :-)
[15:29] <savvas> moomo1: file the bug :)
[15:30] <moomo1> savvas, i did.. its the "window decorator" plugins fault
[15:30] <P2502> i really like Urban Terror = CS + Quake
[15:30] <savvas> i think compiz is disabled for fullscreen apps
[15:30] <P2502> no
[15:30] <savvas> well if it's not, the programmers have done a great job, at least from my point of view
[15:30] <moomo1> oh
[15:31] <moomo1> is there any reason to have compiz enabled in fullscreen mode?
[15:31] <P2502> not with defects like titlebar corruption
[15:31] <savvas> moomo1: no, that's why i thought it's automatically disabled :)
[15:31] <moomo1> savvas, i thought so too
[15:31] <moomo1> since my game works perfect in fullscreen, but strange in window
[15:31] <P2502> reason is not to switch effects every time you start a game
[15:31] <savvas> P2502: ok, you got me there :P the titlebar corruption haunts me since gutsy tribe
[15:32] <moomo1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/189746
[15:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189746 in compiz "Tibia behaves strange with "Window Decoration" plugin in Compiz" [Undecided,New]
[15:35] <Sliss> is ubotu able to seach too?
[15:36] <Sliss> like .search Tibia
[15:37] <moomo1> dont know
[15:37] <moomo1> oh seems it does, but found nothing
[15:38] <P2502> find work for looking for files in packages...
[15:39] <P2502> !find wine
[15:39] <ubotu> Found: wine, wine-dev, winefish
[15:41] <Sliss> ok
[15:41] <Sliss> !bug wine
[15:46] <Sliss> !info dhcp
[15:46] <ubotu> Package dhcp does not exist in hardy
[15:46] <Sliss> !info dhcp3
[15:46] <ubotu> Package dhcp3 does not exist in hardy
[15:47] <P2502> use query
[15:47] <Sliss> !query dhcp
[15:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about query dhcp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:47] <P2502> ./query ubotu
[15:47] <P2502> without dot
[15:47] <Sliss> .query dhcp
[15:47] <P2502> ...
[15:47] <TheInfinity> :D
[15:48] <Sliss> man.. its not my day ;)
[15:48] <P2502> try tomorrow, when ops will be here
[15:49] <Sliss> !search ops
[15:49] <ubotu> Found: ops-#ubuntu-ops*, desktops, joke-#ubuntu-ops*, opabuse, laptop, ops-#ubuntu-mozillateam, proxy-also*, ops-#kubuntu, desktopsearch, exploit
[15:49] <Pici> dont.
[15:49] <Pici> Why do you need an op?
[15:49] <Sliss> I have no clue
[15:50] <P2502> isnt this called flood?
[15:50] <Pici> !msgthebot
[15:50] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[15:50] <Sliss> there is no need for them, unless they can help me getting my laptop back in buseness
[15:51] <P2502> lol
[15:51] <P2502> ok nvm
[15:51] <Sliss> man after todays upgrade my pc is really broken... it takes > 5 min to reboot
[16:01] <Sliss> hmmm my hqrdware time was wrong... could this cause problems receiving an ip from a windows dhcp server?
[16:10]  * nDuff wonders why git-p4 was moved under /usr/share/doc/git-core/contrib
[16:11] <nDuff> ...ahh, the dependency on non-Free software. Isn't that acceptable in universe?
[16:15] <moomo1> non-free software is the devil
[16:15] <moomo1> I'm a Christian, and I believe in Jesus Christ, and I believe that Satan created proprietary software to divide humanity. Divide and conquer.
[16:18] <P2502> moomo1: do you work for free?
[16:19] <sveri> moomo1: cool saying :D
[16:19] <P2502> no, seems like brain-washed
[16:20] <moomo1> moomo1: i dont work, i live in my moms basement
[16:20] <P2502> cool
[16:20] <sveri> for me it sounded like a joke
[16:20] <moomo1> well you cant say "do you work for free?"
[16:21] <moomo1> cuz if i grow vegetables and sell them, they're gods vegetables, they're not proprietary vegetables
[16:21] <moomo1> nobody forbids me to share my vegetables with my neighbours
[16:21] <Pici> moomo1: Please keep it to yourself. You've already been asked to keep the discussion to Ubuntu support only.
[16:21] <moomo1> nobody has to sign any license or EULA to buy my vegetables
[16:21] <moomo1> oh ok
[16:21] <Pici> !ot
[16:21] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[16:21] <moomo1> sry
[16:33] <h3sp4wn> Is there anywhere with a test version of the 169.12 nvidia driver
[16:35] <h3sp4wn> (I won't use the nvidia.com installer - and lrm is too big)
[16:35] <h3sp4wn> I could build a Debian style version (don't want to if I don't have to
[16:36] <savvas> or you don't have to if you don't want to? :)
[16:37] <h3sp4wn> I don't really need to I guess
[16:38] <h3sp4wn> I suppose it would just be a case of a sed in lrm
[16:38] <h3sp4wn> to get it to work in a hacky way but there is tons of stuff in that one package
[16:40] <mattik> Could I rescue OS without reinstalling frOm CD
[16:41] <mattik> Is it possible. It is broken now
[16:41] <bazhang> what is the precise issue mattik
[16:42] <mattik> My gnome broke when I tried to install fglrx driver. I have reported it
[16:42] <bazhang> mattik could you be more specific than gnome broke?
[16:43] <mattik> I have white lines right side of text and window's and slow screen refresh
[16:43] <Pici> mattik: This is in hardy?
[16:43] <mattik> yes
[16:44] <bazhang> nvidia or ati mattik
[16:44] <Pici> ati I would think, for fglrx
[16:44] <mattik> fglrx installing didn't work. I got black screen. Ati.
[16:45] <mattik> and now I have errors on screen
[16:45] <bazhang> mattik tried uninstalling it yet?
[16:45] <P2502> do you used restricted manager to install?
[16:45] <mattik> yes
[16:45] <bazhang> heh
[16:45] <bazhang> yes to whom ;]
[16:46] <P2502> to me
[16:46] <mattik> :) restricted
[16:47] <mattik> Allways when I install from cd I have clean OS without errors
[16:47] <P2502> well you may try reinstall or removing (from synaptic) or manually...
[16:47] <P2502> try sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:47] <bazhang> or wait for an actual beta ;]
[16:47] <P2502> and comment line of your driver
[16:48] <P2502> it seems it installed but not functioning properly
[16:49] <mattik> P2502: I don't have any driver there
[16:49] <P2502> post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:50] <P2502> and check restricted manager
[16:50] <mattik> ok, Where I can paste
[16:50] <P2502> !paste
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[16:50] <P2502> also lsmod
[16:56] <mattik> P2502:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57714/
[16:57] <strabes> does anyone know the version of fglrx that is packaged in the hardy repos?
[16:57] <strabes> or how i would find that out?
[16:58] <mattik> I don't use fglrx just now
[16:58] <mattik> not in use in restricted manger
[16:59] <mattik> strabes: sorry I don't answer to you
[16:59] <mattik> answered
[16:59] <strabes> i have it blacklisted currently and am using mesa
[16:59] <strabes> because mesa supports suspend to ram
[16:59] <strabes> and apparetly the 8.2 release of fglrx also supports suspend to ram
[17:00] <bazhang> Version 1:7.1.0-8-02+2.6.24.9-10.27 (hardy) for xorg-driver-fglrx strabes
[17:00] <strabes> but the xorg-driver-fglrx package in the hardy repos breaks resuming, so my only conclusion is that the version in the hardy repos is not 8.2
[17:00] <strabes> bazhang: how did you find that out?
[17:01] <bazhang> strabes /msg ubotu info xorg-driver-fglrx hardy
[17:02] <strabes> so the 8-02 in there means that it is the 8.2 release of fglrx? the one on the AMD website?
[17:03] <moomo1> i like the hardy wallpaper, makes me feel so artistic and when ppl see it, they think im smart
[17:03] <strabes> haha
[17:04] <moomo1> im not
[17:04] <P2502> mattik: do you have normal resolution on your display?
[17:04] <strabes> P2502: I do and i'm not using fgrlx
[17:04] <moomo1> im a dumbass, only reason i installed ubuntu is so i can brag about my compiz desktop, call windows users bad names, and get porno without spyware
[17:05] <strabes> moomo1: those aren't very good reasons
[17:05] <moomo1> oh
[17:05] <moomo1> well what would be a good reason? it crashes all the time, apps crash all the time, its buggy as hell, its worse than Windows ME
[17:05] <mattik> I think so, but screen is very bright
[17:05] <strabes> moomo1: that's because you're running a DEVELOPMENT version
[17:06] <strabes> it is in its ALPHA stage
[17:06] <moomo1> im not sure i recall Gutsy being much more stable either though
[17:06] <bazhang> moomo1: read the topic or try gutsy ;]
[17:06] <strabes> mattik: if you run the command "xrandr" the top number of its output will be the native resolution of your display
[17:07] <strabes> mattik: you can then compare that with the resolution you are currently running.
[17:07] <strabes> mattik: the brightness of your screen has nothing to do with whether it's running at its native resolution
[17:07] <strabes> moomo1: gutsy was a ton more stable than the current state of hardy
[17:07] <moomo1> oh
[17:08] <strabes> instead of complaining, you should help report bugs!
[17:08] <moomo1> i have reported bugs
[17:08] <RyanPrior> If I enable my video driver using the Driver Manager and reboot my computer, the screen goes black and the computer becomes largely unresponsive. (I have to use magic SysRq spells to recover it.) How do I figure out what is going wrong and fix the problem?
[17:08] <moomo1> like many
[17:08] <mattik> 1400*1050
[17:08] <moomo1> and i still have pink shadows in compiz, its not fixed yet
[17:08] <moomo1> but well, they actually fixed apport to increase its privacy when i reported it
[17:09] <strabes> moomo1: then maybe you should use gutsy, or even dapper
[17:09] <bazhang> early days yet moomo1 still only alpha 5
[17:09] <moomo1> some numbnuts decided it was a good idea for apport to send peoples usernames and hostnames
[17:09] <moomo1> strabes: i dont want use old technology, its boring, i like new cool stuff
[17:09] <RyanPrior> moomo1: If you want to find bugs and you enjoy reporting and triaging them, then Hardy is for you. If you'd rather have stability, definitely stick with the other releases.
[17:09] <moomo1> strabes: if you seen Mac & PC commercial, im not the fat old PC guy, im the cool Mac guy with crazy hair
[17:10] <moomo1> i enjoy new stuff
[17:10] <RyanPrior> moomo1: Bad example. The PC guy is actually funny and talented, whereas the Mac guy is a boring hack. :-)
[17:10] <mattik> strabes: I tried 1024*768 but I still have errors
[17:11] <P2502> mattik: can you do screenshot of errors?
[17:12] <strabes> moomo1: well then if you can't wait for things to be released and must have them when they're in alpha stages, you'll get lots of bugs
[17:12] <moomo1> RyanPrior: oh i thought the PC guy was fat, old and nerdy and has suit and crashes all the time, while Mac guy was a hip youngster with skateboard and fancy hair
[17:12] <mattik> P2502: Bug 188725 I'll paste but not pastebin
[17:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188725 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[hardy + fglrx]Ati mobility radeon gives a black screen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188725
[17:12] <moomo1> also the Mouse plugin on compiz dont work
[17:12] <mattik> or?
[17:12] <moomo1> so fix it
[17:13]  * bazhang points moomo1 to the /topic
[17:13] <P2502> mattik: you may send it to me or use imageshack.us
[17:13] <P2502> screenshot
[17:13] <RyanPrior> moomo1: Obviously that's how the Apple commercials set them up, but if you look at those actors in real life, their personalities are sort of swapped. That's the quintessence of Apple: they put out this public image of being hip and young and open, while in fact their system is as cluttered and closed down as anybody's.
[17:14] <InYourBase> What's the website to file bugs?
[17:14] <Pici> !bug | InYourBase
[17:14] <ubotu> InYourBase: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[17:14] <InYourBase> Thanks
[17:14] <Pici> Sure
[17:14] <RyanPrior> Anyway, I've got a graphics driver problem. If I enable my video driver using the Driver Manager and reboot my computer, the screen goes black and the boot process halts. How do I figure out what is going wrong and fix the problem?
[17:15] <Pici> What driver?
[17:15] <P2502> mattik: nevermind, i see you posted screenshots on launchpad
[17:15] <RyanPrior> Pici: How do I find out? It's whatever one the Driver Manager installs.
[17:15] <Pici> RyanPrior: Nvidia? ATI?
[17:15] <RyanPrior> Pici: ATI.
[17:16] <P2502> omg
[17:17] <Talon218> ..??
[17:18] <P2502> RyanPrior: did you seen mattik report
[17:18] <P2502> ?
[17:18] <strabes> RyanPrior: have you followed the instructions here? http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#Method_1:_Install_the_Driver_the_Ubuntu_Way
[17:18] <RyanPrior> strabes: I did not follow those instructions.
[17:18] <RyanPrior> strabes: Should I follow them?
[17:19] <RyanPrior> P2502: I do not know what a mattik report is.
[17:19] <h3sp4wn> What is the most feature complete palm application in Ubuntu (Don't like gnome pilot - want to easily be able to copy files and install apps to my sdcard
[17:19] <mattik> P2502:http://img238.imageshack.us/content.php?page=done&l=img238/6559/screenshot1ad2.png
[17:19] <strabes> RyanPrior: yeah, just those four commands, then run "sudo aticonfig --initial -f && sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv" then restart your x server with ctrl+alt+backspace
[17:19] <RyanPrior> h3sp4wn: cp
[17:20] <h3sp4wn> RyanPrior: The card is inside the palm pilot I don't want to be taking it out all the time
[17:20] <mattik> sorry screen refreshing is very slow and because of this ubuntu is very slow
[17:20] <h3sp4wn> Don't even know what filesystem they have on it
[17:22] <P2502> mattik: do you have compiz enabled?
[17:23] <P2502> actually i doubt i may help but there are always things which you may try
[17:24] <mattik> P2502: I didn't enable it but sometimes I got compiz.real crashed
[17:24] <P2502> try to change it like disable, or enable...
[17:25] <P2502> wait
[17:25] <P2502> if it crashed it mean it enabled
[17:25] <P2502> and not working properly
[17:26] <RyanPrior> strabes: The packages it says to install are already intalled, and the aticonfig commands don't work because they're designed to work with the old Xorg which is in Gutsy, not the new one in Hardy.
[17:26] <mattik> I disabled it no errors :) thank you P2502. Do you want to add it to this bug or me. Problem was that
[17:26] <mattik> only fglrx-driver doesn't work yet
[17:27] <P2502> mattik: woohoo i'm bug buster
[17:28] <mattik> And the second bug what I reported about these errors was invalid
[17:28] <moomo1> how can i close port 631 TCP (IPP -  Internet Printing Protocol) =
[17:28] <moomo1> ?
[17:28] <RyanPrior> strabes: Plus, it says to use restricted-manager, which is in Gutsy, but the Hardy equivalent is jockey-gtk. Basically, that's a totally outdated set of instructions. :-(
[17:28] <P2502> moomo1: its xorg server
[17:29] <P2502> mm wait
[17:30] <P2502> its cups
[17:32] <P2502> I'd be guessing tcp:631 is cups. You can "turn-it-off" completely by removing the cups package or making /etc/rc.d/rc.cups non-executable. Yep, these two methods will kill the cups service and you won't be printing anything if you rely on cups for printing.
[17:32] <P2502> (c)not mine
[17:32] <mattik> P2502, strabes and others: Thank you very much :)
[17:34] <P2502> np
[17:34] <nemo> moomo1: is cups listening on anything except the loopback?
[17:34] <nemo> moomo1: I thought by default it only used loopback
[17:38] <moomo1> will UFW be enabled by default in Ubuntu sometmie?
[17:41] <P2502> i doubt about that, official word is firewall is not required for desktop
[17:41] <moomo1> Windows XP with SP2 comes with firewall enabled by default
[17:42] <P2502> this is becouse windows have viruses and linux not
[17:42] <nemo> P2502: even with port 111 open? :)
[17:43] <moomo1> ok
[17:43] <P2502> what 111 port to do with ubuntu? i dont see it enabled
[17:44] <P2502> ubuntu preconfigured to not have any ports open
[17:44] <CarlFK> getting a build error that others don't:  http://dpaste.com/37229/  "expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'size_t'"
[17:44] <moomo1> $ sudo ufw enable && sudo ufw default deny
[17:44] <moomo1> :D
[17:44] <moomo1> type that! :D
[17:46] <moomo1> no need thanks me :D
[17:50] <moomo1> i have another good command
[17:50] <moomo1> sudo apt-get check && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get autoremove
[17:51] <Assid> P2502: linux has viruses
[17:51] <Assid> its just that we "dont" run them
[17:52] <Assid> echo "#!/bin/sh\nrm -rf /" > runme.sh ; chmod +x runme.sh ; gksu ./runme.sh
[17:52] <Assid> ;)
[17:52] <Assid> NOBODY RUN THAT
[17:52] <Assid> with this channel .. you can never be too sure
[17:52] <strabes> Assid: Don't even ever mention that command
[17:53] <Assid> yeah i know thats why i wrote that line immediately after
[17:53] <P2502> dosnt look like a virus, more like malware
[17:53] <strabes> you could do the same thing on windows
[17:53] <CarlFK> Read Manual in Rich Format, starting at the root
[17:53] <Assid> well thats the thing.. you can make a virus for linux too
[17:54] <Assid> its just that people dont bother cause MOSTLY techies using it
[17:54] <Assid> the damage will be very very limited if any
[17:54] <strabes> !ubuntu-offtopic
[17:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-offtopic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:54] <P2502> well i will not insist
[17:55] <strabes> Assid: #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:55] <Assid> just saying they "do" exists.. thats all strabes
[17:55] <strabes> i understand
[17:56] <strabes> please don't ever mention that command though, you will instantly be considered a troll, especially on the forums
[17:56] <strabes> a few months ago there was a huge hullabaloo because trolls were telling people to run that command or similar commands on the forums
[17:56] <P2502> Assid: do you know the difference between virus and malware?
[17:56] <Assid> i understand.. a reason why i wrote the next line immediately after
[17:56] <strabes> additionally, this is the ubuntu+1 channel for hardy discussions
[17:56] <strabes> but i'm not a mod, what do i know?
[17:57] <Assid> P2502: yes.
[17:57] <Assid> if you can have malware.. you can have viruses..
[17:58] <P2502> until it reproduce itself come from system to system become hidden etc, its not virus but a stupid joke
[17:59] <P2502> but i will not insist that it is not possible
[17:59] <Assid> right.. proof of concept exists
[17:59] <moomo1> well they cant make virus on linux because linux is so horrible uncompatible that one application dont work on another distro
[17:59] <P2502> i read recently about virus that poisoned apache servers running on linux
[18:01] <P2502> Finjan Uncovers Insidious New Variant of Crimeware Toolkit Infecting More Than 10,000 US Websites in December http://www.finjan.com/Pressrelease.aspx?PressLan=1819&id=1820
[18:01] <Assid> hold.. client bugging me again
[18:03] <moomo1> crimeware? lolz they have nave new buzzword plz?
[18:04] <P2502> :)
[18:06] <Assid> updatemanagetr is messed
[18:07] <Assid> probably a new package issue
[18:08] <Assid> 7189 root      20   0 1015m  66m  10m S    2  3.3  30:46.57 Xorg
[18:08] <Assid> err. how much ram is that actually using
[18:08] <Assid> thats from top btw
[18:09] <Assid> hrmm thinking if i should call for 2GB ram more
[18:09] <void^> 66m physical memory, 1015m virtual (including things like video memory probably)
[18:14] <Assid> err that would be alot
[18:14] <Assid> i guess i should restartx
[18:15] <moomo1> cant Pidgin start at boot? many ppl use IM to chat with friends and expect it to start on bootup
[18:16] <Sliss> is launchpad down?
[18:18] <P2502> work for me
[18:20] <Assid> they still didnt fix the scanner issues
[18:20] <Assid> permissions
[18:21] <InYourBase> Does anyone have wireless working for broadcom cards?
[18:23] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[18:23] <nemo> InYourBase: yes
[18:24] <InYourBase> nemo: Using b43 or using ndiswrapper?
[18:24] <nemo> hm. lemme check
[18:24] <nemo> well. not ndiswrapper
[18:24] <s0u][ight> does ndiswrapper work with the hardy kernel?
[18:24] <nemo> InYourBase: I set it up a long time ago. still works in hardy though
[18:25] <nemo> InYourBase: ipw3945d
[18:25] <nanonyme> InYourBase, which broadcom do you have, exactly?
[18:25] <s0u][ight> i couldn't get ndiswrapper work with my bcm4311 card in hardy
[18:25] <InYourBase> Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI
[18:25] <nemo> $ lsmod  | grep 3945
[18:25] <nemo> iwl3945                89844  0
[18:25] <nemo> iwlwifi_mac80211      220004  1 iwl3945
[18:26] <nanonyme> hmm
[18:26] <nemo> $ lspci | grep BCM
[18:26] <nemo> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
[18:26] <nemo> ooops
[18:26] <nemo> sorry guys
[18:26] <nemo> my fault. I confused the cards
[18:26] <nemo> this is my mom's machine. is a loooong ways away
[18:26] <nemo> the wireless card was intel
[18:26] <nanonyme> ^^
[18:26] <nanonyme> i noticed
[18:26] <nemo> thus the different driver :-/
[18:26] <InYourBase> Yeah.
[18:27] <nemo> I did get it working on a friend's laptop
[18:27] <s0u][ight> InYourBase, what's ur problem?
[18:27] <nemo> unfortunately, that one is also a long ways away *and* I can't ssh into it
[18:27] <nemo> I have it working on another laptop at home but that one also has no ssh :(
[18:27] <nemo> is really pretty trivial these days.
[18:27] <InYourBase> Wireless doesn't work at all. The card isn't recognized w/ b43, and ndiswrapper doesn't seem to work either.
[18:28] <s0u][ight> u know what card it is?
[18:29] <InYourBase> s0u][ight: I mean, I have the output from lspci
[18:30] <s0u][ight> so u can't retrieve signals from networks right?
[18:30] <s0u][ight> did u extract any firmware?
[18:31] <nemo> InYourBase: tg3.c should recognise that card
[18:31] <nemo> InYourBase: do you have any notes in dmesg about it?
[18:31] <InYourBase> lemme check
[18:31] <nemo>         case PHY_ID_BCM5787:    return "5787";
[18:31] <s0u][ight> here is a good site for u http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[18:31] <nemo> BCM5787M would match that check
[18:32] <nemo> s0u][ight: that's for wrong card
[18:33] <nemo> s0u][ight: tg3 is for his model, there is also b44
[18:33] <s0u][ight> oops srry
[18:33] <s0u][ight> brb
[18:33] <nemo> if you have kernel sources, drivers/net/tg3.c
[18:34] <nemo> InYourBase: you're not doing anything silly like failing to have tripped a manual wireless switch on your laptop I hope ;)
[18:35] <InYourBase> nemo: No, that switch is on.
[18:35] <nemo> InYourBase: anyway. anything related to the card in dmesg?
[18:36] <moomo1> can i stop ubuntu from using PC SPAEKER to annoy mt?
[18:36] <moomo1> me
[18:36] <InYourBase> nemo: No, I grepped for b43 and for broadcom and got nothing
[18:36] <h3sp4wn> modprobe -r pcspkr (or remove the kernel module and depmod -a)
[18:36] <moomo1> in pidgin when no text is typed, and i press backspace, my pc speaker beep
[18:36] <h3sp4wn> !blacklist
[18:36] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add « blacklist <modulename> » to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type « sudo update-initramfs -u »
[18:36] <nemo> h3sp4wn: he could also just mute that channel if he's allowed by alsa :)
[18:37] <h3sp4wn> nemo: Alsa doesn't use pc spkr
[18:37] <nemo> h3sp4wn: pc speaker is listed in my volume control
[18:37] <nemo> I have it muted
[18:37] <nanonyme> although the best option probably would be to config pidgin
[18:37] <h3sp4wn> nemo: On a laptop ?
[18:37] <nanonyme> it's likely it has choices for pc speaker
[18:37] <nemo> moomo1: also System->Preferences->Sound  - there are options under System Beep
[18:38] <nanonyme> yups
[18:38] <nemo> moomo1: I like to use visual beep personally
[18:38] <h3sp4wn> I don't trust gnome apps to not be stupid (if it doesn't exist it cannot get loaded again)
[18:38] <h3sp4wn> and it would still beep on a vt anyway
[18:38] <nemo> h3sp4wn: when offering support, is usually best to offer simplest option first :-p
[18:38] <nemo> h3sp4wn: blacklisting a kernel module ain't the simplest :)
[18:39] <nemo> and most users don't use vt, and vt beeps are rare
[18:39] <nanonyme> virtual terminal beeps? i think that's good, you should know when you're doing stuff wrong...
[18:40] <h3sp4wn> I don't want a beep everytime there is no tab completion
[18:40] <h3sp4wn> I can see that
[18:40] <nemo> h3sp4wn: the gnome option also overrides gnome-terminal
[18:40] <nemo> h3sp4wn: folks switching using ctrl-alt-Fx might actually still want that beep :-p
[18:41] <nanonyme> ctrl+alt+Fx <3
[18:41] <h3sp4wn> nemo: people might want tons of stuff - how can anyone predict what they want
[18:41] <moomo1> the pc speaker can be useful sometimes, but should not be used much
[18:41] <moomo1> like in gedit, you press backspace when there is no text, it uses pc speaker, it shouldnt do that
[18:42] <nanonyme> you also shouldn't press backspace when there is no text :P
[18:42] <h3sp4wn> You could just move it somewhere else and insmod it if required
[18:42] <nanonyme> it can cause buffer overflows on badly coded software
[18:42] <nemo> moomo1: uncheckin Enable System Beep under Sound prefs will disable that...
[18:43] <h3sp4wn> You shouldn't use badly coded software
[18:43] <nanonyme> h3sp4wn, right, let's drop ff3. it probably has badly coded parts in it since it's beta ;)
[18:43] <moomo1> nemo: yeah but maybe i should have system beep, because it can be good sometimes, but for gedit its not
[18:43] <h3sp4wn> nanonyme: Fine by me
[18:43] <nemo> rebuild gedit then :-p
[18:44] <moomo1> hehe
[18:44] <nanonyme> h3sp4wn, some ubuntu users would skin you alive though if you tried to push that decision through...
[18:44] <moomo1> well dont you agree that gedit shouldnt beep because you press backspace when there is no text?
[18:44] <nanonyme> i don't
[18:44] <nanonyme> you shouldn't press backspace when there is no text
[18:44] <bardyr> hey, i have some problems with grub, i installed grub2 a while back but uninstalled it because it bugged out with the 2.6.24-10 kernel update, but now even with the 10 kernel installed and showing up in menu list, when grub is booting it shows the old kernel and no new ones, how can i reinstall the mbr?
[18:45] <h3sp4wn> nanonyme: I wonder about the ones that actually pay canocial for support
[18:45] <InYourBase> s0u][ight: that site mentions patches for 2.6.24 with my card (bcm4311rev2)
[18:47] <prasanna> anyone get coverart working on songbird?
[18:47] <h3sp4wn> nanonyme: I am not that bothered but ff3 has some really annoying things it does
[18:48] <nanonyme> h3sp4wn, you probably noticed ff3 is *the* firefox that's in ubuntu-desktop?
[18:48] <h3sp4wn> nanonyme: yep - one of my laptops uses it - (the other uses firefox 2 in /opt)
[18:49] <h3sp4wn> If a firefox32 was provided that was properly integrated I would use it
[18:49] <h3sp4wn> (Don't want nspluginwrapper it makes firefox more unreliable)
[18:51] <nemo> hm. I wonder if gedit --disable-sound would solve moomo1's "problem"
[18:51] <h3sp4wn> I do want the new nvidia drivers though (now the channel is more busy) do test deb's exist anywhere
[18:51] <Raspberry> sshfs is junk :)  crashes whenever you try to use it for a large size or volume of files
[18:52] <h3sp4wn> yep it messed up the only big transfer I tried with it
[18:52] <nemo> gio sshfs connections crash nautilus for me every time I close the window to the remote server
[18:52] <nemo> largest transfer I've tried so far, 350MiB, has worked fine though
[18:52] <h3sp4wn> I fixed it with rsync + ssh
[18:52] <h3sp4wn> nemo: Did you check the md5sum's of the files ?
[18:53] <Raspberry> I was just trying to access my mp3 collection and load it into amorak so I can listen when out of the office w/o having to open up samba shares to the orld
[18:53] <Raspberry> world
[18:53] <h3sp4wn> openvpn ?
[18:53] <nemo> h3sp4wn: hm. one-sec
[18:53] <void^> i've had problems with nautilus crashing in various ways when copying a lot of data over sshfs recently
[18:54] <Raspberry> h3sp4wn: openvpn is broken in ubuntu :)
[18:54] <Raspberry> if it's useful it's broken
[18:54] <void^> cp did a good job though, so it doesn't appear to be sshfs' fault.
[18:55] <nemo> h3sp4wn: match.
[18:55] <h3sp4wn> I got wrong md5sums for loads of 4gb+ files (and then it was right after using rsync so I can only guess it was sshfs's fault)
[18:55] <Raspberry> yeah scp works fine
[18:55] <nemo> h3sp4wn: ah. 4GiB is a magic number
[18:55] <nemo> just like 2GiB
[18:55] <nemo> h3sp4wn: I haven't tested that large
[18:55] <Raspberry> I can't even get the sshfs share to stay up that long
[18:56] <h3sp4wn> Can you not use sftp
[18:56] <Raspberry> not if I want to have an open structure that I can directly access from other applications
[18:56] <Raspberry> I want to stream from it... maybe?
[18:57] <Raspberry> 1000G     0 1000G   0% /home/raspberry/shares/multimedia
[18:57] <Raspberry> that doesn't look good
[18:57] <h3sp4wn> I would use nfs and a vpn
[18:57] <Raspberry> I don't have a terrabyte and it's not full :P
[18:58] <nemo> /dev/sdb2             412G  164G  228G  42% /media/disk
[18:58] <void^> sftp doesn't support statfs so sshfs can't easily show proper values
[18:59] <Raspberry> shares/multimedia is a sshfs volume
[18:59] <Raspberry> I just disabled it
[19:01] <Raspberry> openvpn doesn't work for me in Ubuntu
[19:01] <Raspberry> anybody else running it ?
[19:01] <Assid> http://assid.pastebin.com/d1cc4ab7f
[19:01] <h3sp4wn> You could make an ipsec one
[19:02] <Assid> i need more space
[19:02] <h3sp4wn> Or just setup static point to point encryption with ipsec - what exactly is wrong with openvpn
[19:02] <h3sp4wn> (If the networkmanger plugin is broken thats a seperate thing)
[19:02] <Raspberry> it doesn't route
[19:03] <Raspberry> I'm not at the box ATM, but I'm going to reinstall the machine with SuSE or Debian to see if their implementation works properly
[19:04] <Raspberry> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-openvpn/+bug/194487
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194487 in openvpn "OpenVPN 2.1_Rc7: Does not route properly in Ubuntu 8.04 " [Undecided,New]
[19:04] <Raspberry> yeah, I'll have to try it without network-manager
[19:05] <h3sp4wn> You really don't want network manager on the server
[19:05] <Raspberry> but that's a hardy bug and I'm on Gutsy on that box
[19:06] <Raspberry> this is my new second favorite bug
[19:06] <Raspberry> !bug 128414
[19:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128414 in openvpn "OpenVPN + NetworkManager + FireStarter = Crap" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128414
[19:07] <h3sp4wn> I think even the network manager documentation says don't run it on a server
[19:08] <Raspberry> I should probably read that :)   the only thing the server is serving is a point connection for openvpn
[19:09] <h3sp4wn> I dunno its not very useful (other than that one bit)
[19:09] <savvas> does anyone have a test vnc? :) i'd like to see how vinagre is working
[19:10] <h3sp4wn> Why do people use vnc over NX
[19:10] <Milos_SD> Hi all... What is the default time gksudo expires?
[19:10] <savvas> h3sp4wn: nx ?
[19:10] <h3sp4wn> *instead of NX or Citrix
[19:11] <savvas> h3sp4wn: well it's installed by default in ubuntu..? :P
[19:11] <Milos_SD> when I open synaptic, it doesn't ask me for password ... but I didn't use it for couple of hours
[19:11] <Milos_SD> :S
[19:11] <h3sp4wn> savvas: www.nomachine.com
[19:11] <Arwen> oh yeah, in ff3 what's the "applications" tab supposed to do?
[19:11] <Arwen> it's blank here
[19:11] <Raspberry> because citrix breaks other stuff and nx has flash on their homepage that crashes my plugin :P
[19:11] <rambo3> any soulution to configuring linux-restricted-modules ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57729/
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> any citrix I used other than winframe was rock solid
[19:12] <h3sp4wn> (haven't used it recently but it is expensive)
[19:13] <Raspberry> it's all better than M$ attempt ... can't use USB printers for the first 8+ years of the product... have to have the printer drivers installed on the client and remote host
[19:13] <savvas> h3sp4wn: pardon for being ignorant, but don't you pay for services like that?
[19:14] <h3sp4wn> savvas: no machine is free for 2 users
[19:14] <savvas> vnc is free for millions :P
[19:14] <h3sp4wn> (You can publish one app and one desktop)
[19:15] <h3sp4wn> Doesn't integrate single apps properly though (like ssh -X but using hardly any bandwidth)
[19:16] <h3sp4wn> savvas: So you would run a terminal server using vnc ?
[19:16] <h3sp4wn> (I hate vnc almost as much as pcanywhere and remotely possible)
[19:17] <Arwen> anyone - is wine still broken?
[19:18] <Raspberry> yes
[19:19] <rambo3> gfxboot on hardy was borked
[19:19] <Assid> hrmm
[19:19] <Assid> brb
[19:28] <Greentea> Can i burn a dics 8.04 alpha 5 and install it into an empty hard drive?
[19:29] <Pici> Greentea: If you have to ask, you probably shouldnt be doing it. Hardy is an Alpha and isn't fit for general usage.
[19:30] <Pici> See /topic
[19:31] <bazhang> Greentea: hehe sure if you like breakage ;]
[19:31] <zeeble> bazhang: thanks man. started the 8.04 alpha install via that netinstall 8mb image :)
[19:32] <bazhang> zeeble they have one for hardy already? nice ;]
[19:33] <zeeble> bazhang: no they dont :p
[19:33] <zeeble> bazhang: its easy to coax the earlier one to install the cli stuff, then change and do a dist-upgrade :p
[19:33] <bazhang> zeeble aha--going the full gutsy-hardy route then ;]
[19:34] <bazhang> or that even better ;]
[19:35] <zeeble> my only issue is this laptop has a screwed up chipset that always gets the screen at 640x480 in the middle of the lcd. needs a patch to the kernel.
[19:35] <bazhang> ouch
[19:40] <savvas> hm..
[19:40] <savvas> vinagre allows me to view windows xp machines with remote desktop enabled?
[19:41] <zeeble> bazhang: haha. cool. i dont have to worry. someone has posted a xorg.conf for this laptop model with breezy
[19:57] <mooboos> can anyone fix this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/194214
[19:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg "Keys get "stuck" down" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:07] <xtknight> !hardy
[20:07] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:09] <savvas> !softy
[20:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about softy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:10] <rrva> update-manager package does not unpack in dist-upgrade gutsy->hardy. Is it a known issue?
[20:10] <savvas> hardy will be supported for 5 years right?
[20:10] <henkjan> savvas: server edition, yes.
[20:10] <henkjan> savvas: desktop edition 3 years afaik
[20:10] <savvas> ah.. still good :)
[20:11] <rrva> /usr/bin/pycentral has an exception when installing the update-manager package
[20:12] <jussi01> savvas: not kubuntu though
[20:12] <rrva> ah it was, i'll try removing the package with synaptic
[20:12] <savvas> i'm a faithful gnome user jussi01 :)
[20:12] <jussi01> :)
[20:13] <jussi01> Does anyone know how to fix the system settings bug (orphaned modules)?
[20:21] <Mohero> 'lo all
[20:21] <Mohero> what problems have we got this evening?
[20:21] <s0u][ight> hello did anyone have any bugs with ndiswwrapper in hardy?
[20:22] <Mohero> not that I know but I can try...
[20:22] <Mohero> I have wireless with Native drivers, but I have another that i've been meaning to setup...
[20:24] <Mohero> s0u][ight: give me a moment, I'll have a go...
[20:24] <macogw>  Hardy has made some *amazing* strides in power efficiency and battery life.  Just look at this!
[20:24] <macogw>               http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4503/longbatterylifebu0.png
[20:24] <s0u][ight> ok i'm waiting but plz if you say something to me use my name too
[20:25]  * macogw snickers
[20:25] <Mohero> macogw: LMFAO!
[20:25] <macogw> should i believe the gui (see screenshot) or acpi -b?
[20:26] <Mohero> macogw: go with your instincts ;)
[20:29] <Mohero> s0u][ight: currently installing....
[20:29] <s0u][ight> ok
[20:29] <s0u][ight> tnx for using my name otherwise i wouldn't see it :D
[20:29] <Mohero> s0u][ight: tab autocompletion ;)
[20:30] <s0u][ight> :|
[20:30] <Mohero> macogw: do you suspend all the time?
[20:31] <macogw> ive hibernated and resumed twice
[20:31] <macogw> ive never suspended
[20:31] <macogw> i only installed 2 days ago
[20:31] <Mohero> ok, that could be it, it thinks its still in the same session...
[20:33] <macogw> well its obviously not pulling data from acpi
[20:33] <macogw> because its not 97% full
[20:34] <macogw> it's 47% full when that was taken
[20:34] <s0u][ight> Mohero, i have to go
[20:34] <s0u][ight> cyaa
[20:34] <savvas> macogw: what happens when you disable services? :)
[20:34] <macogw> savvas: what services?
[20:34] <savvas> would that increase the battery life?
[20:34] <macogw> savvas: probably
[20:34] <savvas> system services, like bluetooth etc
[20:35] <macogw> disabling apache definitely does
[20:35] <macogw> disabling your wireless card (turning it off in *hardware*) gives more battery life
[20:35] <Mohero> ok, ndis seems ok to me, but he's gone
[20:36] <savvas> how about apport? :P
[20:36] <macogw> apport?
[20:36] <macogw> the bug report thing? dunno
[20:36] <macogw> never tried it
[20:37] <Mohero> 55 seconds to boot my machine... AND it's loading Mailscanner 6 times during that.... (I get alot ofspam :P)
[20:38] <macogw> wow
[20:39] <savvas> Mohero: you were the one with the mailscanner problem right? :p
[20:39] <Mohero> savvas: yup
[20:39] <savvas> why don't you use gmail?
[20:40] <savvas> i mean use a pop3 in a gmail, and pop3 from gmail to you :)
[20:40] <Mohero> savvas: because I have my own domain, and I like to have the from address as my domain and not mydomain <curtasy of ....@gmail.com>
[20:40] <Mohero> oh, because I have no pop3 on my domain unless I host it somewhere :P
[20:40] <savvas> you can use gmail to receive/send as @domain.com
[20:40] <savvas> ah
[20:40] <Mohero> savvas: no, it puts the gmail address in ASWELL as your domain
[20:40] <macogw> you can use GMail for Domains
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> Why not just setup a mailserver (vps's are really cheap these days ) I use slicehost
[20:41] <Mohero> I don't want to use Gmail :P
[20:41] <Mohero> I use my machine as my mail server.....
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> Have you got decent reverse dns
[20:42] <h3sp4wn> (and in a decent netblock) without that no chance
[20:42] <savvas> he has a spam problem apparently, not mail receiving problems :p
[20:42] <savvas> i guess the problem would be he receives a LOT of emails haha
[20:42] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: not here, but on the server I send from I have ;)
[20:43] <Mohero> yeah it is, 98% spam....
[20:43] <h3sp4wn> Its usual for those to be the same machine
[20:43] <Mohero> and if I followed the spam I'd have a PHD by now... :)
[20:44] <savvas> :P
[20:44] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: when it's your own domain, you can send wherever, as long as it's setup - I send through another server.
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> Mohero: You can - I just prefer mail to be sent from mail.domainname.org.uk
[20:45] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: so do I but until I get an ISP that is a little better than the one I have - it won't happen
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> I like just stuff like user@machinename to work as well
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> Get a VPS or colocation
[20:46] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: my current ISP comes with the corperate flat, and the land-lord set it up....
[20:46] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: and he won't change it, so I'm with a very cheep, very crap service...
[20:47] <niklasv> anyone know of an alternate server for kubuntu hardy alpha? ie not cdimage.ubuntu.com
[20:47] <h3sp4wn> Mohero: Having a VPS or colo is seperate from whatever isp you have connectivity from
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> mine is $25 a month 256mb ram 10gb disk
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> (You can get more for more money but thats nothing to be able to just do stuff normally)
[20:49] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: I have colo for my work system, which is what I send through, it's my own system running 2 ITX systems each with 500GB disk 1GB mem, all in a 1u server for £70 / month :D
[20:49] <Arwen> anyone on Firefox 3? There wouldn't be a way to change the awesomebar would there? Make it smaller and less obtrusive?
[20:50] <h3sp4wn> Mohero: How much BW ?
[20:50] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: well, it's my own server, the colo costs £70 / month
[20:50] <h3sp4wn> as in bandwidth
[20:50] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: it's 2 systems in a 1u case
[20:51] <h3sp4wn> It wouldn't be an umeterred port for that price
[20:51] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: well, the connection to the net is faster than the Gigabit ethernet on the system
[20:51] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: i'm running dual ethernet from each system, but it's on the UK Backbone at Telehouse, UK
[20:52] <h3sp4wn> Good stuff - I had a box there when I worked for DIrect Connection years ago
[20:52] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: :) I've had a few there. I like the support the guys there give - nice and fast
[20:53] <nandemonai> Hiya guys. Is the old 'edit sources.list' apt-get dist-upgrade way of updating supported in Hardy? I'd like to use my isp mirror for the upgrade is all..
[20:54] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: the bandwidth limit on that is 320GB / month - which is plenty for us...
[20:54] <Mohero> nandemonai: I've not used that method.
[20:54] <savvas> probably nandemonai, without knowing for sure, try it out :)
[20:54] <nandemonai> I'll just backup my sources file and give it a go then ;)
[20:54] <savvas> nandemonai: how about update-manager -d ?
[20:55] <savvas> ah wait, you need custom sources.list to get it from your isp
[20:55] <nandemonai> Yeah, unmetered :)
[20:56] <h3sp4wn> Mohero: Yeah thats not bad - depends who you are working for but I like my non work stuff seperate
[20:56] <savvas> bah i envy you lot, in serbia maximum download speed is still 1.5mbps :(
[20:56] <Mohero> nandemonai: always useful to have the updates unmetered...
[20:57] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: yeah, I really don't send out personal emails.... maybe 1 or 2 a month.... and the company I work for a very good :)
[20:57] <Mohero> savvas: you're in serbia too are you?
[20:58] <Mohero> savvas:
[20:58] <Mohero> 20:57 <@Mohero> !bofh 119
[20:58] <Mohero> 20:57 <@Simon|PFY> BOFH excuse #119:evil hackers from Serbia.
[20:58] <Mohero> ;)
[20:58] <h3sp4wn> savvas: what is that in KB/s
[20:59] <h3sp4wn> (I can never get why people quote speeds in anything other than MB/s or KB/s
[20:59] <h3sp4wn> when its the actual speed you get
[20:59] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: it's called Marketing...
[21:00] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: MB is a MAX of 192KB/s
[21:00] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: Marketing people use mbps or kbps because it sounds more than MB/s / KB/s
[21:01] <nemo> 192KiB/s :)
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> I get 1.1/MBs here - its a 10 mbps switch port
[21:01] <Mohero> nemo: heh yep :P
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> (The network has more capability))
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> what is KiB ?
[21:01] <Mohero> I want to move house, my friend lives in Canterbury, UK and she has ethernet to the Uni...... University of Kent host the UK Mirror Service....
[21:02] <h3sp4wn> This is a uni network I am on
[21:02] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibibyte
[21:03] <h3sp4wn> Marketing trying to redefine stuff that doesn't make sense
[21:03] <h3sp4wn> again - did you know back in history they tried to legislate pi to be 3
[21:03] <Mohero> h3sp4wn: that's what they do best ;)
[21:03] <Arwen> man amarok visualizations are... unimpressive
[21:04] <nandemonai> Yay! Update seems to be going through. *fingers crossed*
[21:07] <savvas> Mohero: yeah, but believe me, the hacking days are over
[21:08] <savvas> h3sp4wn: around 150-192 KB/s
[21:11] <frank23> I'm running kubuntu hardy in VirtualBox and I installed the guest addons (drivers). How do I set a higher resolution? xorg.conf doesn't specify resolutions at all.
[21:12] <savvas> frank23: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:13] <savvas> in section "screen" add these:
[21:13] <savvas> 	Defaultdepth	24
[21:13] <savvas> 	SubSection "Display"
[21:13] <savvas> 		Depth 24
[21:13] <savvas> 		Modes "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[21:13] <savvas> 	EndSubSection
[21:13] <savvas> (sorry for spam)
[21:13] <frank23> savvas: ok
[21:21] <frank23> savvas: I edited xorg.conf but I still get a maximum resolution of 800x600 as reported by xrandr
[21:21] <Mohero> frank23: it might be worth asking someone that uses / develops virtualbox...
[21:22] <frank23> yeah
[21:22] <savvas> frank23: it might be because you're using vesa driver
[21:23] <frank23> (II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: VirtualBox VBE Adapter
[21:23] <savvas> virtual machines usually support generic drivers like vesa, not other
[21:23] <frank23> I get that in xorg log
[21:23] <savvas> well.. that's it, vesa supports 800x600 only I think :)
[21:24] <frank23> there is nowhere to change the driver in hardy's xorg.conf either ;(
[21:24] <savvas> frank23: why don't you give hardy a live spin? it is a live cd, you'd be even helping out in bug reporting :)
[21:25] <savvas> there is, but virtual machines don't use hardware graphics
[21:25] <savvas> (correct me if i'm wrong)
[21:25] <frank23> yeah but I wanted to help with kubuntu documentation
[21:25] <daef> everybody: hi
[21:26] <savvas> not much you can do from a virtual machine frank23, sorry :)
[21:27] <savvas> submit a bug to make them increase the allowed resolution, maybe it's possible
[21:28] <frank23> savvas: VirtualBox supports higher resolution. they have their own X drivers for the guest
[21:29] <savvas> hm..
[21:29] <savvas> vboxvideo driver?
[21:30] <frank23> something like that
[21:30] <savvas> give me a sec
[21:31] <Mohero> 1
[21:31] <savvas> :P
[21:32] <savvas> frank23: do you have a Section "Device" in your xorg.conf ?
[21:32] <savvas> what does it say next to the Driver?
[21:32] <daef> is it worth to wait for 8.04 LTS or should i start with 7.10 ??? i used debian for a few years and don't know where the main differences will be ;)
[21:33] <frank23> savvas: only line in Device is Identifier "Configured Video Device"
[21:33] <savvas> daef: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/ - happy reading :P
[21:33] <frank23> savvas: xorg.conf changed alot in hardy
[21:34] <daef> savvas: ty
[21:34] <savvas> frank23: ok let's try from terminal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:34] <frank23> savvas: did that already and there is not option to select the driver
[21:35] <savvas> hrm.. i noticed that as well here
[21:35] <savvas> okay then
[21:35] <frank23> savvas: yeah the driver name is vboxvideo
[21:36] <savvas> frank23: add a line after the Identifier line
[21:36] <savvas> add this: Driver "vboxvideo"
[21:36] <frank23> savvas: ok
[21:37] <frank23> savvas: it worked
[21:38] <frank23> savvas: thanks
[21:40] <savvas> no frank23 thank you, i didn't know there is a video driver :P
[21:40] <frank23> savvas: yeah.. vmware makes its own video driver too for the same purpose
[21:41] <assid2> man
[21:41] <assid2> evertythings messed up after the last 2 updates
[21:41] <assid2> apparently it wants to use xgl now
[21:42] <Mohero> assid2: define "Everything" ;)
[21:43] <assid2> well the ui is slow as hell
[21:43] <assid2> fonts are a bit off
[21:43] <assid2> has a bold effect. not a prolem.. i think its aliasing messed up
[21:43] <assid2> system goes 1/2 the speed it should
[21:44] <assid2> brb
[21:44] <assid2> if i can
[21:44] <assid2> ati on hardy = BAD IDEA
[21:44] <assid2> brb.. if i can
[21:46] <assid2> okay
[21:46] <assid2> this is totally horrible
[21:47] <nicolah> is there a way to install hardy heron from a usb stick ?
[21:47] <assid2> err.. any suggestion?
[21:47] <assid2> ati support is messed big time
[21:48] <assid2> weird is.. was working earlier
[21:49] <assid2> someone wanna report this for me
[21:49] <nicolah> what do you developers think about new brainstorm website ?
[21:49] <nicolah> (don't reply if you're busy)
[21:49] <assid2> i saw someone  have an issue like this
[21:49] <assid2> where they had lines on the scrreen
[21:50] <assid2> okay thats it.. this box is going back to windows
[21:50] <assid2> ati needs better support
[21:51] <muszek> lol... I was wondering why I run out of space on / for the second time in two days (yesterday I freed 1.8GB).  /var/log takes 5.7GB
[21:52] <muszek> 99% of which is syslog, debug and kern.log... which have almost identical sizes
[21:53] <muszek> respectively 591.6, 591.6 and 591.5 MB... plus 3 archives (1.1GB each)
[21:53] <muszek> I tail'ed syslog and it's going like crazy with lines like this:
[21:53] <muszek> Feb 28 21:53:25 bobek kernel: [70681.176235] wmaster0_rename: TKIP decrypt failed for RX frame from 00:18:3f:45:b6:e1 (res=-2)
[21:53] <muszek> is there any way to turn it off?
[21:57] <Mohero> assid2: sorry I was reading the news....
[21:57] <Mohero> assid2: same effect with open drivers or proprietry?
[21:57] <assid2> err. i got an old laptop
[21:57] <assid2> dell d600
[21:57] <assid2> the new drivers are just messed uop
[21:58] <assid2> http://pastebin.ca/922601
[21:59] <Mohero> assid2: using the old "ATI" driver? I hav a Dell C610 and that has an old ATI Radeon, that seems fine after the latest updates...
[21:59] <assid2> http://pastebin.ca/922604
[21:59] <assid2> nah
[21:59] <assid2> this is totally messed
[21:59] <assid2> i thought it was the profile.. hence assid2 instead of assid
[22:00] <Mohero> hmmm
[22:01] <Mohero> can we get a screenshot of what you're seeing?
[22:01] <Mohero> I'm guessing this is readable...
[22:01] <assid2> well.. compiz is outta the question.. the lag is horrible
[22:02] <assid2> sometimes i get lines left over from previous windows
[22:02] <Mohero> assid2: Compiz has never worked on my laptop
[22:02] <assid2> "used to" work decnetly well in alpha 4 iso
[22:02] <assid2> just been downhill from there
[22:03] <Mohero> mine actually worked in 7.04.... 7.10 no longer :(
[22:03] <assid2> hrmm
[22:03] <Mohero> but that's ok I don't use Compiz on my laptop anyway
[22:04] <assid2> hrmm i used to
[22:04] <assid2> its hard to mimick but i will try
[22:05] <assid2> cpu usage also never goes down :(
[22:05] <assid2> always 10% and higher
[22:06] <assid2> err aiglx is bad right
[22:07] <Mohero> yep
[22:08] <assid2> coredum whenever i try glxinfo or fglrxinfo
[22:08] <assid2> core dump
[22:12] <assid2> lets see what happen
[22:12] <assid2> s
[22:13] <xtknight> what was the justification for separating "Try ubuntu" from "Install ubuntu"? (hardy alpha 5)
[22:13] <xtknight> does install goto a prompt?
[22:14] <assid2> live vs installing
[22:14] <assid2> i am guessin
[22:14] <xtknight> in the previous livecd you could install by double clicking a shortcut on desktop
[22:14] <assid2> okay i m outta here
[22:14] <xtknight> im about to check it out
[22:14] <assid2> Mohero: moving the desktop to windows.. i do have a license lyin around
[22:15] <Mohero> assid2: no no no no no no
[22:15] <assid2> this card doesnt perform too well here
[22:15] <assid2> its going down hill
[22:15] <assid2> and i must have submitted 20-30 reports or so from this laptop
[22:15] <ethana2> gah... how do i use optical disks with virtual machines?
[22:16] <assid2> and i still see it going downhill
[22:16] <Mohero> assid2: option 1) don't use an unstable build - any problems you encounter - report them option 2) change linux's each has their benefits, just, don't go back to the dark side!!
[22:16] <ethana2> i shut it down, swapped out the .iso it was pointed at...
[22:16] <ethana2> miserable fail
[22:16] <assid2> Mohero: i like debian based
[22:16] <Mohero> assid2: so use Debian ;)
[22:16] <assid2> Mohero: too "old"
[22:16] <Mohero> assid2: I like Gentoo :)
[22:16] <Mohero> what's too "old"?
[22:16] <assid2> thinking of tinkering with linux mint
[22:17] <assid2> also my gprs modem works out of the box w/ windows
[22:18] <Mohero> assid2: but..... it's M$..... it's the dark side.... you know that, right?
[22:18] <Mohero> (I never used to be, but I'm very Bias against MS these past couple of months)
[22:18] <assid2> Mohero: yep
[22:19] <nemo> assid2: funny. I've had exact opposite problem
[22:19] <nemo> assid2: I've spent past 2 weeks tracking down drivers to get XP installed on this laptop
[22:19] <assid2> weord
[22:19] <nemo> I keep having to reboot into ubuntu just to get a network connection.
[22:19] <assid2> weird
[22:19] <assid2> my wifi keeps getting cut on linux
[22:19] <nemo> the frustrating thing was once I had a network connection, I still couldn't get the drivers from microsoft
[22:20] <nemo> you'd think it'd just recognise my HW
[22:20] <assid2> what i dont like is the suppport just went down for ati
[22:20] <assid2> i mean yes i understand its alpha and all
[22:20] <nemo> oh. and their stupid stupid device install screens give 0 details - that's why I had to reboot into ubuntu, just to find out what my devices *were*
[22:20] <assid2> but last 4 updates;; it feels worse and worse
[22:20] <nemo> I mean. WTH
[22:20] <assid2> my desktop.. okay goes up and down.. fast slow fast slow
[22:20] <nemo> assid2: you *are* in an alpha release channel. what-do-you-expect? :)
[22:20] <assid2> to go up and down ?!?!
[22:21] <assid2> not ONLY down
[22:21] <nemo> *shrug*
[22:21] <assid2> my desktop goes up /down/up/down
[22:21] <assid2> gui performance that is
[22:22] <Sonicadvance1> I'd have to say that the ubiquity version in hardy Alpha 5 looks quite nice
[22:22] <Sonicadvance1> Entire live CD loads up faster as well
[22:22]  * assid2 preferred 4
[22:22] <assid2> things worked back then
[22:23] <Sonicadvance1> The new timezone selector threw me off :P
[22:23] <Sonicadvance1> wasn't expecting it to zoom and pan
[22:24] <Sonicadvance1> Although, when it was loading, it didn't have a loading bar on my screen
[22:24] <Sonicadvance1> kind of a pain
[22:24] <assid2> the weather /timezone has a bug. it things asia/calcutta is in asia/karachi
[22:24] <Sonicadvance1> hehe
[22:24] <assid2> err.. bombay/calcutta is in asia/karachi
[22:24] <assid2> bah
[22:24] <nandemonai> Wow, I love the new 'world clock' built into gnome. I've been wanting that feature for ages :)
[22:25] <assid2> try adding bombay/santacruz
[22:25] <Sonicadvance1> The locations thing has never really worked for me
[22:25] <assid2> it thinks thats in karachi
[22:25]  * assid2 cant think striaght at 4 am
[22:26] <Sonicadvance1> oh wait, new one in Alpha 5 works, I was using Alpha 4 before
[22:27] <assid2> it works "better" than 4.. but still broken..
[22:27]  * assid2 now reports bugs with videos
[22:27] <Sonicadvance1> bugs in videos? what types of videos and in what program?
[22:27] <assid2> no no
[22:27] <assid2> when i find a bug.. i dont screenshot
[22:27] <assid2> i send a damn video file
[22:27] <assid2> how i got to it
[22:27] <Sonicadvance1> ah
[22:27] <Sonicadvance1> I see
[22:28] <assid2> you cant dispute something like that ..
[22:28] <Sonicadvance1> seriously
[22:29] <Sonicadvance1> Posting them on Youtube? :d
[22:29] <assid2> nah
[22:29] <assid2> launchpad directly
[22:29] <Sonicadvance1> ah
[22:29] <assid2> or .. sometimes on my webhost box..
[22:29] <assid2> depends
[22:29] <Sonicadvance1> on your mood? :P
[22:30] <Sonicadvance1> Anyway, I'm going with the 64Bit version this time. seems like a good time to switch from 32 to 64
[22:30] <assid2> mood.. bandwith..  what im reporting.. etc
[22:30] <Sonicadvance1> :D
[22:30] <assid2> Sonicadvance1: not much of a difference honestly
[22:30] <Sonicadvance1> exactly
[22:30] <assid2> although certain 32bit apps have issues
[22:31] <assid2> i think flash and something else
[22:31] <Sonicadvance1> screw those certain 32bit apps
[22:31] <assid2> but i think gnash fixed that
[22:31] <Sonicadvance1> takes forever to configure system locales
[22:32] <assid2> get faster hardware ;)
[22:32] <Sonicadvance1> Will be getting a quad core in a bit
[22:32] <Sonicadvance1> ;)
[22:32] <Sonicadvance1> eh... did it crash? o_O
[22:33] <assid2> i got a Q6600 desktop
[22:33] <assid2> not bad
[22:33] <Sonicadvance1> I'm going with the new Phenoms
[22:34] <Sonicadvance1> because I like the name
[22:34] <assid2> overlocked it to 3.2 or something on air..
[22:34] <assid2> hehehee
[22:34] <Sonicadvance1> hehe
[22:34] <ArthurArchnix> uhh.. has hardy fixed it so that when you plug a mouse in the touchpad is disabled, and vise-versa?
[22:34] <ArthurArchnix> just wondering if that's enabled by default yet.
[22:35] <assid2> we need better divx/xvid encoding tools
[22:36] <nemo> ArthurArchnix: that's an odd one. you'd want that behaviour?
[22:36] <nemo> that would be something I absolutely would *NOT* want
[22:36] <assid2> i used to get > 120fps on windows while encoding
[22:36] <assid2> here i get 65 odd
[22:37] <assid2> ad i need to know a huge mencoder line
[22:37] <Sonicadvance1> There should be a setting! :D "Disable Touchpad when mouse inserted"
[22:37] <nemo> assid2: you could just use one of the several divx/xvid mencoder wrapper scripts :)
[22:37] <ArthurArchnix> nemo: really? Oh... I mean, why would you want to mouseseses connected at once?
[22:38] <nemo> ArthurArchnix: touchpad has more features
[22:39] <ArthurArchnix> nemo: I agree. Circular scrolling rocks. But under the mouse config, a simple button that said "disable when mouse connected". Something to check.
[22:39] <assid2> nemo: i guess so
[22:39] <ArthurArchnix> Apparently not.
[22:39] <nemo> assid2: the speed thing... that sounds like you are doing something else? playing a game?
[22:40] <nemo> assid2: why don't you just set your aforementioned divx/xvid wrapper script to run mencoder reniced to 19?
[22:40] <nemo> assid2: oh, and there are some mencoder guis
[22:40] <assid2> there are ?
[22:41] <nemo> assid2: also, I'm partial to avidemux2
[22:41] <nemo> nice frontend for basic video editing
[22:41] <nemo> filters, cropping, reencoding.
[22:41] <assid2> yeah has some limitations i checked
[22:41] <nemo> audio filtering.
[22:41] <assid2> and was slower
[22:41] <assid2> wasnt doing justice to my hardware
[22:41] <nemo> gbDVDenc   for example
[22:42] <assid2> hrmm wil check it in the am
[22:42] <assid2> its 4.15 now
[22:42] <assid2> am just getting ready to packup
[22:42] <nemo> assid2: for fully optimised video encoding perhaps you should consider gentoo ;)
[22:42] <assid2> gentoo?
[22:42] <assid2> how does the distro make a differnece
[22:42] <nemo> given that video encodings are often math intensive and can benefit from processor optimisation :)
[22:42]  * Mohero loves gentoo...
[22:42] <nemo> assid2: gentoo can build optimised to your processor's capabilities
[22:43] <assid2> right
[22:43] <nemo> assid2: if you are an obsessive speed tweaker, can be helpful
[22:43] <nemo> the machine I do most of my vid encoding on runs gentoo actually.
[22:43] <assid2> but you need the divx6 codec to get any real advantage
[22:43] <nemo> assid2: xvid is open source
[22:44] <nemo> and when put head to head, the two algorithms work a little differently, but compare favourably
[22:44] <assid2> i know.. but divx peforms a whole lot better on my box
[22:44] <assid2> and i do mean WHOLE LOT better
[22:45] <nemo> ... at what, encoding?
[22:45] <nemo> vid quality?
[22:45] <assid2> both
[22:45] <assid2> quality/compression
[22:45] <nemo> vid quality is highly subjective and depends both on the video being encoded and what you are encoding
[22:45] <assid2> mainly encoding performance actually
[22:45] <assid2> playback depends on whats done
[22:45] <nemo> encoding performance... dunno
[22:45] <nemo> I'd have to do some timing tests.
[22:45] <nemo> lets see...
[22:46]  * nemo runs a quick timing test
[22:46] <assid2> try it
[22:46] <assid2> native windows + latest divx
[22:46] <assid2> vs linux w/ xvid
[22:46] <assid2> works better on a quad system
[22:48] <nemo> hm
[22:48] <nemo> assid2: well, I don't have any native windows systems, so won't be able to test that one
[22:49] <assid2> hrm k
[22:49] <assid2> alrite im outta here
[22:49] <assid2> but seriously tho. am thinkin win on this mainly cause my gprs works better. and my wifi
[22:50] <assid2> lets see
[22:50] <assid2> im outta here
[22:50] <assid2> 4.20 am
[22:50] <assid2> gnight
[22:52] <assid2> err anyne know which version of divx comes with w32codecs?
[23:06] <DanglyBits> how do i get nvidia drivers working for hardy?
[23:07] <RAOF> DanglyBits: "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[23:08] <RAOF> DanglyBits: Same way as in all the other Ubuntu releases :)
[23:09] <xtknight> i love the new task manager
[23:09] <DanglyBits> which nvidia drivers are the nvidia-glx?
[23:09] <xtknight> looks so...dapper
[23:09] <xtknight> ;)
[23:10] <xtknight> so i guess they still dont have 64-bit paravirt support?
[23:11] <DanglyBits> i have nvidia 6600 and tried nvidia-glx-new and hardy would not not go above 480x320
[23:11] <xtknight> DanglyBits, what kind of connection.  VGA/DVI?
[23:11] <DanglyBits> vga
[23:11] <xtknight> vga even on my new monitor and card misrecognizes resolutions sometimes
[23:11] <xtknight> i had to add manual modes
[23:11] <DanglyBits> how?
[23:12] <xtknight> first, do you see the resolutions if you go in "gksu nvidia-settings" ?
[23:12] <DanglyBits> i have reloaded hardy no restricted drivers yet.
[23:12] <DanglyBits> should i install the nvidia-glx-new?
[23:13] <xtknight> ah i see
[23:13] <xtknight> yea try that
[23:13] <xtknight> i think new supports 6600
[23:15] <RAOF> Yes, it does.
[23:16] <RAOF> New supports everything > geforce 4, IIRC.
[23:17] <cdm10> So, none of the Alpha 5 CDs are working for me... and it seems they've removed the Alpha 4 ISOs from the site.
[23:17] <cdm10> Any way I can get an Alpha 4 ISO? Or a .torrent?
[23:18] <xtknight> cdm10,  not sure..maybe try a daily?
[23:18] <xtknight> or you can find a mirror for the alpha4s maybe
[23:19] <xtknight> for example, http://mirror.ne.gov/ubuntu-iso/DVDs-Ubuntu/hardy/alpha-4/?C=S;O=A
[23:19] <cdm10> ok
[23:19] <cdm10> thanks
[23:24] <agroker> when I issue "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" I get the "authentication failed" message with some missing python scripts output, what to do?
[23:26] <agroker> my gnupg was broken, sorry for trouble
[23:35] <Arwen> um, why do I have a /dev/nvidia0 when all my hardware is either Intel or ATI?
[23:35] <RAOF> This does seem odd, yes :)
[23:36] <CorruptTerrorist> finally on linux!!!
[23:39] <nicolah> guys using hardy heron alpha 5 desktop which one is the password to "unlock" some features ?
[23:40] <jacob> nicolah: there is no secret password, everything available is wide out in the open
[23:40] <nicolah> jacob: I'm running it as a live and it ask for a password to edit wlan configuration
[23:41] <nicolah> it ask me to auhenticate
[23:41] <jacob> nicolah: if you set a password in the installer, use that one, otherwise try "ubuntu"
[23:42] <jacob> nicolah: also try to see if it lets you leave the password dialog empty
[23:42] <nicolah> I didn't set any password because I didn't install it, but "ubuntu" does not work
[23:42] <nicolah> I'll try with empty
[23:43] <nicolah> empty field did the trick
[23:43] <nicolah> (thanks)
[23:55] <mrunagi> does hardy have a live cd in the alpha release?
[23:56] <ethana2> yes
[23:57] <mrunagi> where can i find it?