| bspencer | someone have a link to the hardy PPA? | 00:40 |
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| StevenK | In terms of what? | 00:44 |
| bspencer | hey StevenK | 00:45 |
| bspencer | if I want to browse the hardy PPA, what's the link? | 00:45 |
| bspencer | https://ppa.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile | 00:45 |
| bspencer | ? | 00:45 |
| StevenK | Hey. The link is https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile/+archive | 00:45 |
| bspencer | th | 00:46 |
| bspencer | x | 00:46 |
| * bspencer bookmarks | 00:46 | |
| bspencer | StevenK, I see you updated marquee-plugins | 00:47 |
| StevenK | I think Bill did too | 00:48 |
| bspencer | I just built ahardy image and was trying it. The screen is all white. | 00:48 |
| bspencer | but the marquee-plugins that got installed were v0.21, not v0.22 (latest from you) | 00:48 |
| StevenK | Were you pulling from the PPA or a mirror of the PPA? | 00:48 |
| bspencer | good Q | 00:49 |
| bspencer | http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports hardy main | 00:49 |
| bspencer | btw, are these changes back in the moblin version, or if I re-push a new version will it be broken again? | 00:50 |
| StevenK | That's not the PPA, that's Hardy | 00:56 |
| StevenK | bspencer: You have to be pulling from the PPA - marquee-plugins is 0.4 in Hardy, but 0.22 in the PPA | 01:03 |
| StevenK | (Was 0.21 until I uploaded it) | 01:03 |
| bspencer | StevenK, ok. Where is the location of the PPA stored ? /etc/apt/...? | 01:04 |
| StevenK | bspencer: It's probably /etc/apt/sources.list.d/um-ppa.list ? | 01:04 |
| bspencer | so I can answer the Q of whethre I'm using a PPA or a mirror of the PPA? | 01:04 |
| bspencer | ok. perhaps I just built the target before you made the updates. | 01:05 |
| StevenK | Yeah. Bill also made some updates to the PPA, so I'd suggest a new target | 01:05 |
| bspencer | ok | 01:09 |
| bspencer | StevenK, if you make changes to marquee-plugins, did you send me those changes? | 01:12 |
| bspencer | or am I supposed to monitor those apps in the PPA and figure out what is going on? | 01:12 |
| StevenK | bspencer: I can send you a patch | 01:16 |
| bspencer | StevenK, cool. I was going to update marquee-plugins and mobile-basic-flash, but now I can't because my version seems to be broken per your changes. | 01:17 |
| StevenK | bspencer: There's a marquee-plugins.patch in my home directory on moblin.org. You'll need to use patch -p3 to apply it | 01:20 |
| bspencer | StevenK, ok | 01:22 |
| bspencer | is this hardy-specific? | 01:22 |
| bspencer | Use Type=default rather than Type=link in the .desktop files. | 01:22 |
| StevenK | I suspect it is | 01:22 |
| bspencer | asac, ping | 02:00 |
| dholbach | good morning | 06:33 |
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| bjakob | . | 14:23 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| bjakob | hello? | 15:22 |
| Thecks | Hi. | 15:38 |
| kyleN | rusty_out: question on moblin-media. can't launch it now from command line or moblin home UI. "Error: application is disabled while in docking mode". Do you know anything about this? | 16:50 |
| patm | kyleN, they are all at the open source conference | 16:58 |
| kyleN | ah | 16:58 |
| GrueMaster | so there's no meeting today? | 16:58 |
| kyleN | (hope springs eternal ; ) | 16:59 |
| GrueMaster | heh | 16:59 |
| patm | there is a meeting planned, not sure who is attending yet | 16:59 |
| agoliveira | GrueMaster: We do have it AFAIK. | 16:59 |
| GrueMaster | well, until then... patm, still seeing slow issues with webcam capture? | 17:00 |
| lool | (davidm is coming) | 17:02 |
| davidm | #startmeeting | 17:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 17:02. The chair is davidm. | 17:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:02 |
| davidm | Sorry in different TZ | 17:02 |
| ToddBrandt | oy | 17:02 |
| davidm | OK here we go | 17:03 |
| davidm | ChickenCutlass to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB. (carryover) | 17:03 |
| davidm | [Topic] ChickenCutlass to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB. (carryover) | 17:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ChickenCutlass to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB. (carryover) | 17:03 |
| davidm | ChickenCutlass, any status? | 17:03 |
| patm | he's coming | 17:04 |
| davidm | OK | 17:04 |
| ChickenCutlass | sorry | 17:04 |
| davidm | NP | 17:04 |
| ChickenCutlass | no -- I was on vacation and have not gotten to it yet | 17:04 |
| davidm | OK, I'll carry over until next week | 17:04 |
| davidm | [action] ChickenCutlass to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB. (carryover) | 17:04 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ChickenCutlass to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB. (carryover) | 17:04 |
| davidm | [topic] cwong1, attempt to create an lang pack to report back next week with results | 17:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: cwong1, attempt to create an lang pack to report back next week with results | 17:05 |
| cwong1_ | I was able to patched the firefox chinese lang pack and made it work with midbrowser. All I had to do was to add midbrowser's guid and version number to the install.rdf. So creating a debian install package for the lang. pack should be fairly straight forward. | 17:05 |
| davidm | great news | 17:05 |
| cwong1_ | btw, most of us are in a confierence | 17:05 |
| cwong1_ | and has limited internet access | 17:06 |
| lool | cwong1_: For the whole of this meeting? | 17:06 |
| davidm | lool, I think they are off site. | 17:06 |
| cwong1_ | y | 17:06 |
| patm | cwong1_, is bspencer available? | 17:06 |
| lool | cwong1_: The two people I see in the list of actions from last week would also be ToddBrandt and mawhalen | 17:06 |
| ToddBrandt | lool: I'm here | 17:07 |
| lool | Cool | 17:07 |
| cwong1_ | I dont thnk mawhalen or bspecer wil be online. | 17:07 |
| davidm | [topic] asac) report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this and report back next week. | 17:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: asac) report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this and report back next week. | 17:07 |
| lool | cwong1_: Please wave hello to them and suggest that read the meeting notes then | 17:07 |
| lool | cwong1_: (and have fun!) | 17:07 |
| kyleN | davidm: can you please carry over mawhalen's action then? | 17:07 |
| cwong1_ | ok | 17:07 |
| davidm | kyleN, I will | 17:08 |
| davidm | asac, you about? | 17:08 |
| davidm | Looks like I'll have to carry that forward | 17:08 |
| davidm | [action] davidm to contact asac and get status of asac) report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this. | 17:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: davidm to contact asac and get status of asac) report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this. | 17:09 |
| davidm | [action] asac report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this and report back next week. (carry over) | 17:09 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: asac report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this and report back next week. (carry over) | 17:09 |
| davidm | [topic] kyleN will sum the executive steps for i18n for GMA and lool to review them before posting. | 17:09 |
| lool | asac: Are you around? | 17:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: kyleN will sum the executive steps for i18n for GMA and lool to review them before posting. | 17:10 |
| kyleN | lool and I independently wrote up wiki pages on i18n code for Mobile. There are some differences in content and some overlap. Mine is somewhat broader scope; lool's has additional programming details, such as setting up configure.in/.ac and Makefile.am. Where the technical content overlaps, defer to lool. I hope to merge them when/if I get the chance. For now, here are the two URLs... | 17:10 |
| kyleN | mine: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nMobileCode | 17:10 |
| lool | NB: these are temporary URLs | 17:10 |
| kyleN | lool's: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nQuickstart | 17:10 |
| davidm | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nMobileCode | 17:10 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nMobileCode | 17:10 |
| lool | We'll merge them in one page | 17:10 |
| davidm | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nQuickstart | 17:10 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/I18nQuickstart | 17:10 |
| davidm | OK | 17:10 |
| davidm | [topic] ToddBrandt to continue building i18n infrastucture to match the gnome-control-center one by next week. | 17:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ToddBrandt to continue building i18n infrastucture to match the gnome-control-center one by next week. | 17:11 |
| davidm | ToddBrandt, I saw your email looks like this has happened? | 17:11 |
| ToddBrandt | davidm: moblin-applets 0.41 has the same level of internationalization as gnome-control-center now | 17:11 |
| ToddBrandt | yea | 17:11 |
| asac | davidm: sorry ... i am here | 17:11 |
| lool | I pulled moblin-applets from git and reviewed the intltool integration; it looks way better and ToddBrandt reported success anyway :) | 17:11 |
| ToddBrandt | it just has a few strings that aren't translated | 17:11 |
| davidm | OK | 17:11 |
| lool | ToddBrandt: I sent a few hints on your issues to the mailing list in reply to your report | 17:12 |
| davidm | asac, wait one please and I'll reopen your topic | 17:12 |
| asac | davidm: thx | 17:12 |
| ToddBrandt | lool: ok thanks, I'll take a look | 17:12 |
| lool | ToddBrandt: I think only technical details are remaining; the bulk is done | 17:12 |
| lool | You even cd po; intltool-update -p on build, so technically your package is ready for Launchpad imports | 17:13 |
| kyleN | yahoo! | 17:13 |
| ToddBrandt | lool: yea, IO just haven't been able to test it, that's my biggest hurdle | 17:13 |
| lool | ToddBrandt: You can now be official i18n counselor for moblin folks :) | 17:13 |
| ToddBrandt | :) | 17:13 |
| davidm | We OK to move on? | 17:14 |
| * lool is ok | 17:14 | |
| davidm | [topic] asac) report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this and report back next week. | 17:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: asac) report on code to create XPI from LP exports or look around for help to complete this and report back next week. | 17:14 |
| asac | ok the discussion looked good and i think we figured a viable way to get this for hardy | 17:14 |
| asac | if possible i would like to get help from someone writing some tiny piece of software | 17:15 |
| asac | that basically converts .po files to xpi structures. i have an algorithm for that in mind. so its just a matter of parsing | 17:15 |
| asac | sedding and testing | 17:15 |
| lool | asac: We need a similar piece of software for the rest of the mobile langpack strategy | 17:15 |
| lool | asac: In fact Hildon + OpenOffice.org + Firefox should all be handled by langpack-o-matics hooks, and I had the same discussion as yours with pitti | 17:16 |
| asac | i expect that the work needed for this script that produces xpis from .po about 1-2 days development up front and then another day or two for bug fixes | 17:16 |
| lool | asac: The only part I'm not confortable with is the actual XPI format reading/writing | 17:16 |
| asac | and shaking out any issues | 17:16 |
| asac | yes, all mozilla translations will be hooked into langpack-o-matic | 17:17 |
| lool | asac: Do you think pitti can help with this or are you looking for help in the mobile team? | 17:17 |
| asac | i talked to pitti about that | 17:17 |
| asac | he will provides the hooks | 17:17 |
| agoliveira | I would like to help but I reallysuck at things good for parsing and regular expressions | 17:17 |
| lool | the hook support I guess, but not the actual hooks? | 17:17 |
| asac | launchpad teams makes the required changes to the xpi import/po export | 17:17 |
| asac | lool: depends on how you define it | 17:17 |
| asac | we should provide a script that can transform .po files to xpi directories | 17:18 |
| lool | He's going to change lang-o-matic to call into code we have to write or that he writes? | 17:18 |
| lool | Right | 17:18 |
| lool | We have to write :) | 17:18 |
| asac | and might need to adjust what arguments that script gets | 17:18 |
| asac | pitti will than hook that in | 17:18 |
| asac | well ... its simple | 17:18 |
| asac | i just need someone to code what i say ;) | 17:18 |
| asac | 1-2 days development i think PLUS another day for fixes later | 17:18 |
| lool | Ok; is anyone willing to take this? | 17:18 |
| lool | Probably involves python or at least perl I'd guess | 17:19 |
| asac | you just need some shell scripting experience or perl or python | 17:19 |
| asac | doesn't matter much i guess | 17:19 |
| davidm | asac, just script (bash) or does it have to be python? | 17:19 |
| agoliveira | lool: As I said, I would love to but this is really my weak spot. | 17:19 |
| lool | (Not at it couldn't be done in shell or something else, but langpack-o-matic is in python and I'd guess perl is available) | 17:19 |
| asac | davidm: its really straight foward. even bash should be enough | 17:19 |
| davidm | I can help if in bash, not python | 17:19 |
| davidm | lets take it off line in email, and we will get it covered somehow. | 17:20 |
| lool | davidm: So you want to put the 1/2 days of dev + 1 day of fixes? | 17:20 |
| asac | ok ... i can write the general algorithm down and provide you with example input files | 17:20 |
| davidm | Yea, no one else has time | 17:20 |
| davidm | asac, OK | 17:20 |
| agoliveira | I volunteer to do it, just don't know how yet :) | 17:20 |
| asac | davidm: agoliveira ok ... just say who :) | 17:20 |
| lool | [action for second week of march?] | 17:21 |
| davidm | [action] asac to proivide the general algorithm down and provide you with example input files to mobile list email | 17:21 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: asac to proivide the general algorithm down and provide you with example input files to mobile list email | 17:21 |
| asac | thanks | 17:21 |
| lool | cool | 17:21 |
| asac | one more point. this will likely work for all mozilla packages | 17:21 |
| asac | no idea about hildon | 17:21 |
| lool | asac: Next topics might interest you as they are about the same issue | 17:21 |
| asac | lool: we should probably talk to that later | 17:21 |
| davidm | [action] davidm & agoliveira to look at same and get script written by next week | 17:21 |
| asac | ok | 17:21 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: davidm & agoliveira to look at same and get script written by next week | 17:21 |
| agoliveira | asac: Who can be me, how it's the problem :) | 17:21 |
| agoliveira | I guess this is my clue force myself to learn python | 17:22 |
| agoliveira | s/clue/clue to | 17:23 |
| asac | :) | 17:23 |
| davidm | agoliveira, bash :-) no python | 17:23 |
| * ToddBrandt wonders why everything can't just be in C | 17:23 | |
| asac | ToddBrandt: you volunteer? | 17:23 |
| asac | :) | 17:23 |
| agoliveira | ToddBrandt: I rather chew glass to parse stuff in C. | 17:23 |
| * lool wonders whether ToddBrandt would like his airbag segfaulting | 17:23 | |
| davidm | [topic] lool to reformat detailed notes user interface string changes post freeze and post to Ubuntu wiki. | 17:23 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lool to reformat detailed notes user interface string changes post freeze and post to Ubuntu wiki. | 17:23 |
| lool | (assembly for the win) | 17:24 |
| GrueMaster | ToddBrandt: I agree | 17:24 |
| * ToddBrandt apparantly wonders alone | 17:24 | |
| lool | So, I actually did my two actions in a single shot! :-P | 17:24 |
| lool | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack | 17:24 |
| agoliveira | I can do it in Pascal very quickly ;) | 17:24 |
| lool | The story is that we want langpacks if we want to use launchpad translations on that scale anyway | 17:24 |
| lool | So, I documented known issues and TODOs to implement langpacks | 17:24 |
| davidm | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack | 17:25 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack | 17:25 |
| lool | And also how to continue working with launchpad after the freezes | 17:25 |
| kyleN | way to go lool! | 17:25 |
| davidm | OK next | 17:25 |
| davidm | [topic] lool kyleN to research if need to configure the seed into the LP Ubuntu export to get tarballs for the mobile seed, then update the rules. | 17:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lool kyleN to research if need to configure the seed into the LP Ubuntu export to get tarballs for the mobile seed, then update the rules. | 17:26 |
| lool | So I discussed this with misc people and documented how to achieve this on the same wiki page | 17:27 |
| lool | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack | 17:27 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/MobileLangpack | 17:27 |
| davidm | Great | 17:27 |
| kyleN | when will we decide whether we will use mobile lang packs? | 17:27 |
| lool | There's a lot of work to do for langpacks | 17:27 |
| lool | I also documented the space savings which I asked Arne | 17:27 |
| lool | He says we would win in the 10 MBs on the installed system | 17:28 |
| lool | (But you have to take compression into account) | 17:28 |
| kyleN | lool, was that space savings just for one language? | 17:28 |
| kyleN | german | 17:28 |
| lool | kyleN: I don't understand | 17:28 |
| lool | Oh, yes, for one language | 17:29 |
| lool | Less if you want multiple languages obviously | 17:29 |
| lool | One big issue we discovered is that Hildon misses many po/pot files in our archive because these are split weirdly upstream | 17:29 |
| kyleN | if the choice is put all languages on board vs use lang packs to download, tehn teh space savings is more | 17:29 |
| kyleN | maybe 10M per language | 17:29 |
| lool | So there are many TODOs at the bottom of the wiki page to build maps of where to find pot, and we then have to package or merge these sources | 17:29 |
| lool | kyleN: I don't think so; I think it's 10 MB uncompressed if you install german alone for our apps instead of german for gnome langpack + common langpack | 17:30 |
| patm | so if I have an install with two languages, I save 20MBs | 17:31 |
| lool | So it's 10 MB less than using the standard langpacks, but it's not compared to how much it would use to not use langpacks at all | 17:31 |
| patm | thats not a lot of disk | 17:31 |
| lool | patm: Depends what you compare to; but if you compare to the common + gnome langpacks, yes | 17:31 |
| lool | langpacks are a huge effort because of Hildon | 17:32 |
| patm | lool, what other comparison is there to consider? | 17:32 |
| lool | patm: Well we could for example ship all translations of cheese in cheese itself if it's in universe or in our ppa | 17:32 |
| lool | patm: Is 10 / 20 MB worthwhile to fight for? | 17:33 |
| lool | Or even 30 MB in the best case | 17:33 |
| patm | lool I am thinking not | 17:33 |
| lool | We still have to do the work as Hildon is in main and will be langpacked | 17:33 |
| lool | But the part of the work requiring to change l-o-m to use seeds or to have a special "copy" behavior for mobile could be skipped | 17:34 |
| lool | saving some 1.5 days of Martin Pitt | 17:34 |
| lool | Ok; so there's a long list of TODOs; the consensus is that we might not need to spend time creating mobile specific langpacks | 17:35 |
| * agoliveira agrees | 17:35 | |
| lool | The other TODOs to have Hildon langpackable are still open; do we have to assign them now, or is the research enough for our current state? | 17:35 |
| lool | Who has some resources to build e.g. the Hildon module => needed gettext domains map? | 17:36 |
| lool | Or to package the remaining hildon modules carrying translations? | 17:36 |
| lool | Or to write the scripts similar to the XPI ones which will convert Hildon pots into normal pots? | 17:36 |
| bfiller | lool: maybe needs to get added to the other remaining hildon tasks (next topic) | 17:36 |
| davidm | makes sense | 17:37 |
| lool | Hmm | 17:37 |
| kyleN | i can find and list the domains used by current hildon packages we use | 17:37 |
| lool | Mithrandir: What do you think? Should we assign the Hildon langpacks action I prepared to the same people as Hildon 2.0 modules? | 17:37 |
| lool | kyleN: cool | 17:38 |
| lool | davidm: Can you action kyleN to prepare a mapping of hildon source packages to gettext domains? | 17:38 |
| lool | kyleN: Oh and can you please list where the gettext domains are in maemo too? | 17:38 |
| kyleN | I'll try ;) | 17:38 |
| davidm | [action] kyleN to prepare a mapping of hildon source packages to gettext domains, and list where the gettext domains are in maemo. | 17:39 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: kyleN to prepare a mapping of hildon source packages to gettext domains, and list where the gettext domains are in maemo. | 17:39 |
| davidm | [topic] Mithrandir to split up remaining Hildon packages that need to be upgraded amongst everybody except people who claim they are busy with other things. (carryover) | 17:39 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Mithrandir to split up remaining Hildon packages that need to be upgraded amongst everybody except people who claim they are busy with other things. (carryover) | 17:39 |
| lool | Let's discuss the other actions here | 17:39 |
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| bfiller | Mithrandir: you around? | 17:40 |
| lool | giving a phone call | 17:42 |
| davidm | lool, is phoning him. Today is a phone day.... | 17:42 |
| bfiller | davidm: doesn't look like the wiki page with the hildon task list has been updated | 17:42 |
| agoliveira | davidm: Not really, my is mute now despite my adsl is ok. Go figure. | 17:42 |
| bfiller | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2.0 | 17:42 |
| mjg59 | Tollef was feeling unwell earlier | 17:42 |
| lool | No reponse, and can't leave a message | 17:42 |
| agoliveira | s/my/mine | 17:42 |
| lool | mjg59: Oh indeed, I completely forgot | 17:43 |
| lool | He mentionned feeling half sick | 17:43 |
| lool | So, I propose we carry on and reassign to me next week if we fail again? | 17:43 |
| davidm | OK, will do | 17:43 |
| bfiller | lool: the clock is ticking and it's been over two weeks now.. | 17:44 |
| bfiller | just concernered there is a lot of work to do and we need to start | 17:44 |
| davidm | [action] Mithrandir to split up remaining Hildon packages that need to be upgraded amongst everybody except people who claim they are busy with other things. (carryover address this wek in email) | 17:44 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Mithrandir to split up remaining Hildon packages that need to be upgraded amongst everybody except people who claim they are busy with other things. (carryover address this wek in email) | 17:44 |
| lool | Ok, reassign to me; I might defer til monday though, I'll try catching Tollef tomorrow or do it tomorrow/monday | 17:44 |
| lool | davidm: I'll try to do it nevertheless | 17:44 |
| lool | Ok, next topic | 17:45 |
| davidm | lool, geeo enough | 17:45 |
| bfiller | lool: thanks, I'll help with some if needed and I believe moblin guys will too | 17:45 |
| davidm | [action] lool to follow up and take over for Mithrandir if necessary. | 17:45 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to follow up and take over for Mithrandir if necessary. | 17:45 |
| * agoliveira too if necessary. | 17:45 | |
| davidm | OK next topic | 17:45 |
| davidm | [topic] mawhalen to followup on when theme tools are updated, and then gen a new theme using the tools with sabotage (Shane Bryan) | 17:46 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mawhalen to followup on when theme tools are updated, and then gen a new theme using the tools with sabotage (Shane Bryan) | 17:46 |
| davidm | carryonver | 17:46 |
| davidm | [action] carryover mawhalen to followup on when theme tools are updated, and then gen a new theme using the tools with sabotage (Shane Bryan) | 17:46 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: carryover mawhalen to followup on when theme tools are updated, and then gen a new theme using the tools with sabotage (Shane Bryan) | 17:46 |
| davidm | [topic] bfiller to file bug on gutsy/hardy dbus problems. | 17:46 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bfiller to file bug on gutsy/hardy dbus problems. | 17:46 |
| bfiller | done LP: 196280 | 17:47 |
| davidm | any action so far? | 17:47 |
| bfiller | davidm: not yet, but I didn't have a chance to file it until yesterday. I assigned to moblin-image-creator, but not sure if this is the right package | 17:48 |
| davidm | OK, thanks | 17:48 |
| lool | bfiller: Against MIC? | 17:48 |
| bfiller | lool: yes | 17:48 |
| lool | Why not, but we might want to poke dbus people | 17:48 |
| bfiller | lool: who are the dbus people exactly? | 17:49 |
| lool | Done | 17:49 |
| lool | bfiller: I know some Debian folks and pitti for Ubuntu | 17:49 |
| lool | Dunno who else | 17:49 |
| lool | (At least down to the dbus message issues level) | 17:49 |
| lool | Otherwise, desktop people know about general dbus packaging and usage | 17:50 |
| davidm | lool, will you poke the dbus folks then? | 17:50 |
| lool | I just did | 17:50 |
| lool | I added the dbus package | 17:50 |
| davidm | ah :-) | 17:50 |
| bfiller | lool: thanks | 17:50 |
| davidm | Thanks | 17:50 |
| lool | Discussion to continue in the bug | 17:50 |
| davidm | OK that is all the old business, now on to new | 17:50 |
| davidm | [topic] (lool) Cebit attendance | 17:51 |
| MootBot | New Topic: (lool) Cebit attendance | 17:51 |
| lool | So, some informed person reminded us that Cebit is approaching fast | 17:51 |
| lool | Is anyone from community or Canonical attending? | 17:51 |
| lool | I know a non-mobile Canonical person is going unofficially | 17:51 |
| davidm | We can check the canonical internal wiki to see who if any are attending | 17:52 |
| lool | We might have some demoes of images derived from UME Community Edition (or whatever we call it) | 17:52 |
| bfiller | patm: does Fenario have plans to go? | 17:52 |
| patm | no, I am not aware of any official canonical presence | 17:52 |
| davidm | Looks like Matt Barker is attending | 17:53 |
| lool | Ok; topic closed for me | 17:53 |
| GrueMaster | on a similar note. | 17:53 |
| davidm | [topic] (lool) version numbers in the ppa | 17:53 |
| MootBot | New Topic: (lool) version numbers in the ppa | 17:53 |
| GrueMaster | LinuxFest NW is coming in April | 17:53 |
| lool | So, please please please don't use Debian/main Ubuntu version numbers for ppa uploads | 17:54 |
| lool | We should have ONE version number for ONE source tree | 17:54 |
| lool | If there's any chance that someone else uses the same version number, don't use it! :) | 17:54 |
| lool | One recent example in the ppa were the grub uploads | 17:55 |
| agoliveira | lool: Maybe will be clearer if you provide an example. | 17:55 |
| davidm | GrueMaster, can you send the info to the mailing list please, I don't know about that show. | 17:55 |
| GrueMaster | roger that. | 17:55 |
| lool | The problem with bumping version numbers with -2, -3 etc. in the ppa is that if someone uploads a high urgency fix to hardy with -1ubuntu2, -1ubuntu3 etc as expected, we wont get it | 17:55 |
| lool | I'll try to document this properly on our wiki or look for existing doc | 17:56 |
| lool | If you have a doubt, append "um1" to the version | 17:56 |
| lool | or "+um1", it's the same | 17:56 |
| lool | The only case where you should use um1 is when backporting between dists (hardy sources into gutsy) | 17:56 |
| lool | Where you should use ~; that's the only case, at the moment appending "um1" and incrementing should work! | 17:57 |
| lool | Thanks for your attention | 17:57 |
| lool | I can get an action for the doc part | 17:57 |
| bfiller | lool: does this apply to moblin packages as well? i.s. should marquee-plugins_24 be marquee-plugins-24um1? | 17:57 |
| lool | Technically, we shouldn't use native versionning for Ubuntu uploads | 17:57 |
| davidm | [action] lool to document versioning in the ppa into wiki | 17:57 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: lool to document versioning in the ppa into wiki | 17:57 |
| lool | But at the moment, moblin apps are not really "released" | 17:58 |
| lool | So we can't really distinguish between Ubuntu versions and upstream versions because moblin/upstream folks upload one upstream version to Ubuntu | 17:58 |
| lool | But Ubuntu folks can't always do this, so it's a bit of a problem | 17:58 |
| bfiller | are all of the moblin packages going into universe or main for Hardy? | 17:58 |
| bfiller | or just staying in PPA? | 17:58 |
| lool | We should try to push most I guess | 17:58 |
| lool | But this requires MOTUs or core devs which we have little of | 17:59 |
| davidm | I believe all going into mail were possible | 17:59 |
| agoliveira | bfiller: PPA is just temporary and test AFAIK. | 17:59 |
| lool | StevenK and I can do both | 17:59 |
| davidm | OK next topic? | 17:59 |
| lool | Yes | 17:59 |
| lool | Which is closely related :) | 17:59 |
| bfiller | thanks for clarification | 17:59 |
| davidm | [topic] (lool) overwriting changes in ppa packages | 17:59 |
| MootBot | New Topic: (lool) overwriting changes in ppa packages | 17:59 |
| lool | (We would have to discuss proper releases with moblin, but for now I guess we'll have to live on with moblin native versions in the ppa) | 18:00 |
| lool | So, when uploading changes to the ppa, please make sure you don't regress the packages by simply overwriting with whatever you want to upload | 18:00 |
| lool | Usually, we want to merge the changes in the ppa with the new upstream release | 18:00 |
| lool | Say, StevenK did some fixes to a package in the ppa, don't just push your source over it, you should check what's in the ppa and merge with your upload | 18:01 |
| lool | This is again a bit problematic because if StevenK has a fix, he might not be able to commit it to the upstream source tree for moblin modules | 18:01 |
| davidm | very true | 18:01 |
| bfiller | lool: I just ran into this problem | 18:01 |
| lool | For non-moblin modules, it should be pretty straightforward though: grab the source from the ppa, do your changes, and upload | 18:01 |
| bfiller | lool: I grabbed source from PPA, made changes, uploaded, and sent moblin the patches | 18:02 |
| lool | For moblin projects, we need to fix it one way or the other: either we all commit to the autoritative git (but then we would need access) | 18:02 |
| lool | Or we all push to the ppa and moblin keeps moblin commit right, but moblin folks need to carefully merge the ppa changes with their new upstreams | 18:02 |
| bfiller | would be great if we could get commit priveleges | 18:02 |
| davidm | I think we need to have this conversation next week with more of Intel here too. | 18:03 |
| lool | So would there be foo 2.0-0ubuntu2 in the ppa, they would have to fetch it, merge it into 2.1-0ubuntu1, and upload this instead of pushing 2.1-1 | 18:03 |
| lool | davidm: definitely | 18:03 |
| davidm | [action] revisit this topic next week with Intel developers present. | 18:03 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: revisit this topic next week with Intel developers present. | 18:03 |
| lool | We need to decide what's the autoritative place for moblin modules (git or ppa) and everybody uses that | 18:03 |
| davidm | OK are we safe to move on. | 18:04 |
| davidm | ? | 18:04 |
| lool | Yes | 18:04 |
| agoliveira | If at least a few of us have comit access there, would be a bit of PITA but at elast would end the confusuon | 18:04 |
| GrueMaster | One problem you will run into is there are two moblin source trees. | 18:04 |
| davidm | [topic] (bfiller) testing packages on Hardy before promoting to PPA | 18:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: (bfiller) testing packages on Hardy before promoting to PPA | 18:04 |
| GrueMaster | One internal and one external. | 18:04 |
| bfiller | folks need to make sure they test against Hardy (not GUTSY) before pushing to the PPA | 18:05 |
| davidm | That is an issue that we need to solve next week for sure. GrueMaster thanks | 18:05 |
| lool | GrueMaster: Ah, that's interesting; if you can think of a solution, could you expose it next week when more Intel people are around? | 18:05 |
| lool | GrueMaster: As an insider, you might have a clearer idea of what needs fixing here | 18:06 |
| davidm | bfiller, I plan on bringing this up on my call with Intel later today. | 18:06 |
| GrueMaster | I think the solution was already hit upon. Patch the PPA and send the patch to the moblin mailing list. | 18:06 |
| bfiller | moblin guys pushed packages that broke the image (mobile-basic-flash, marquee-plugins). Clearing didn't test first | 18:06 |
| bfiller | davidm: great, thanks | 18:06 |
| agoliveira | Gutsy for us is dead meat a long time agoa lready. | 18:06 |
| GrueMaster | but I'll bring it up next week. | 18:06 |
| davidm | GrueMaster, thanks | 18:06 |
| lool | GrueMaster: Thanks | 18:06 |
| ToddBrandt | bfiller: which of these is the correct platform for building a target and testing? mccaslin-lpia-ubuntu-hardy or mccaslin-lpia-ubuntu-hardy-ppa | 18:06 |
| davidm | Ok we are out of new topics and over time. so...... | 18:07 |
| lool | bfiller: Thanks for bringing this up | 18:07 |
| bfiller | ToddBrandt: not sure actually, I'll have to check out nightly build scripts. Anyone else know? | 18:07 |
| lool | bfiller: This all comes up to the same best practices to follow topic | 18:07 |
| ToddBrandt | I've been using the latter: mccaslin-lpia-ubuntu-hardy-ppa | 18:07 |
| lool | ToddBrandt: I think the second one, it includes the ppa where most people push | 18:08 |
| bfiller | ToddBrandt: I think that is correct, Hardy + PPA | 18:08 |
| ToddBrandt | I hope my push of mobil-basic-flash didn't break the image :( | 18:08 |
| bfiller | ToddBrandt: nope, wasn't yours. bspencer :) | 18:08 |
| ToddBrandt | cool ;) | 18:08 |
| GrueMaster | I do a daily build for menlow-lpia-ubuntu-ppa, and smoke test it weekly. I have noticed this problem for quite a while. | 18:08 |
| ToddBrandt | I'll make fun of him later | 18:08 |
| lool | ToddBrandt: If it pushes him to test his packages, please do :) | 18:09 |
| davidm | The upload of last week broke stuff | 18:09 |
| agoliveira | May I bring in a dunce hat? | 18:09 |
| davidm | It was tested against gutsy and not hardy | 18:09 |
| davidm | Ok bringing the meeting to a close. Going once....... | 18:10 |
| ToddBrandt | you should make a list of packages that break the build, then bring it up in the meeting, that'll improve testing guaranteed | 18:10 |
| davidm | OK | 18:10 |
| lool | Salary indexed on critical bugs count | 18:10 |
| davidm | Ok bringing the meeting to a close. Going twice..... | 18:10 |
| davidm | #closemeeting | 18:11 |
| davidm | #endmeeting | 18:11 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 18:11. | 18:11 |
| lool | davidm: Thanks | 18:13 |
| davidm | lool, thank you for the call | 18:13 |
| GrueMaster | patm: Back to my question prior to the meeting, are you still seeing issues with video capture via webcam in cheese? | 18:13 |
| patm | GrueMaster, hey, no, with the latest graphics drivers things seem ok | 18:13 |
| HappyCamp | Mithrandir, do you know where bugs for the kernel in Ubuntu Mobile would go? | 18:14 |
| GrueMaster | cool | 18:14 |
| patm | GrueMaster, different question... | 18:14 |
| GrueMaster | Last chance I had to do any research on it was early January. | 18:14 |
| GrueMaster | shoot | 18:14 |
| patm | GrueMaster, in the latest Flash for Linux it supports hw acceleration.... | 18:14 |
| GrueMaster | Does it? | 18:14 |
| patm | is this in any way supported under menlow | 18:14 |
| patm | acc to adobe | 18:14 |
| patm | http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/ | 18:15 |
| GrueMaster | I'll check into it. You may need the 3D drivers installed, which AFAIK aren't released for general consumption yet. | 18:15 |
| GrueMaster | I do know that you need the 3d drivers for Helix support. | 18:16 |
| patm | Well we have those | 18:16 |
| GrueMaster | which release? | 18:16 |
| patm | GrueMaster, appreciate it if you can find anything out | 18:16 |
| patm | beta 6? | 18:17 |
| GrueMaster | ok. Beta 7 "should" be out soon (I think). I've tested it here, but didn't see any major changes to Beta 6. I think it was more for D0 support. | 18:17 |
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| GrueMaster | As to the flash HW acceleration, I think it will only help for movies and streaming video, not the flash animations that some GUI environments do. | 18:19 |
| GrueMaster | But I'll check it out here this week. | 18:20 |
| patm | GrueMaster, thanks | 18:20 |
| patm | GrueMaster, as far as beta 7, I was hoping for an update later today, but do you know what was fixed? We have some flaky D0's right now | 18:21 |
| GrueMaster | No, I don't. | 18:21 |
| GrueMaster | I just get them and build them. | 18:21 |
| patm | ok | 18:21 |
| GrueMaster | Who do you usually get them from, Don Johnson or Chris Watkins? Or someone else? | 18:22 |
| patm | yes, via ARMs | 18:23 |
| patm | GrueMaster, or packaged from moblin guys | 18:24 |
| patm | but not the proprietary parts | 18:24 |
| GrueMaster | I'll ping them and let them know the packages are available. There may be other holdups that are out of my control. | 18:24 |
| patm | GrueMaster, again, thanks | 18:25 |
| GrueMaster | Remember, I'm just a lowly peon here (who just happens to have a brain). | 18:25 |
| GrueMaster | :P | 18:25 |
| atlas95 | hello | 21:25 |
| atlas95 | How to test ubuntu mobile? I have a nokia n810 , is it possible to install UM on it in the future? | 21:25 |
| GrueMaster | UM is geared towards Intel 32bit architecture currently. In the future, other platforms may be included, but for now, no. | 21:26 |
| agoliveira | atlas95: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ | 21:26 |
| atlas95 | yes ok | 21:26 |
| atlas95 | I have just find it scuse :( | 21:26 |
| atlas95 | What can I buy for install UM on it in the futur | 21:27 |
| atlas95 | I will sell my n810 i think :( | 21:27 |
| atlas95 | Samsung Q1 Ultra is very expensive :( | 21:33 |
| GrueMaster | You could check out the Asus Eee. $399 at best buy online. It has a different flavor of Linux, but this will run on it. New platforms will be out later this year that UM will take full advantage of. | 21:35 |
| atlas95 | ho cool | 21:52 |
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