[00:12] <ubotu> bod_ called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[00:21] <bod_> LjL, can i be a pain and ask for another adjustment on !gq  ?
[00:22] <LjL-Temp> yes
[00:23] <bod_>  Please be aware your question, either, fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood, or, could you please be more specific and supply more information. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[00:23] <LjL-Temp> isn't it getting like overly long?
[00:24] <LjL-Temp> i propose
[00:24] <LjL-Temp> Are you sure your question allows us to help you? Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question.
[00:25] <bod_> LjL-Temp, good point,. i ike it,.and its polite,.,.yer
[00:26] <jdong> !gq
[00:26] <ubotu> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[00:26] <bod_> ???
[00:26] <LjL-Temp> !no goodquestion is <reply> Are you sure your question allows us to help you? Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question.
[00:26] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL-Temp
[00:26] <jdong> bod_: just wanted to see what it said.
[00:26] <bod_> ok,,.;~)
[00:27] <jdong> bod_: I don't have a in-brain mirror of the factoid database yet ;-)
[00:27] <LjL-Temp> jdong: losah
[00:27] <bod_> jdong, this one was my idea, added and edited in the last 30 mins or so
[00:27] <jdong> LjL-Temp: at least I'm not a temp!
[00:27] <bod_> LjL-Temp, cheers
[00:27] <bod_> haha,.,.owned
[00:27] <jdong> should !ask and such reference !gq?
[00:27] <LjL-Temp> jdong: i'm only a temp when i decide to. and i'm mobile too
[00:28] <LjL-Temp> !ask
[00:28] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[00:28] <LjL-Temp> hm it's already got a bit long
[00:28] <LjL-Temp> these is factoids that are used in-channel all the time
[00:29] <bod_> true,.!ask is frequently seen,.,. but !patience !coc !etiquette !repeat    are big hitters aswell
[00:29] <jdong> length_of_factoid(t) = init_length*sin(usage_frequency*2*pi*t+phi)
[00:30]  * jdong calls that the jdong law of factoid length
[00:30] <nickrud> LjL: I'd suggest 'better' instead of 'good' question
[00:30] <bod_> 'usefull'
[00:31] <bod_> nickrud, whats the url in your out message?
[00:31] <nickrud> bod_: just changed it to http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[00:32] <bod_> fair enough ;~)
[00:32] <LjL-Temp> !no goodquestion is <reply> Are you sure your question allows us to help you? Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'better' question.
[00:32] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL-Temp
[00:32] <nickrud> bod_: a 'better' link ;)
[00:32] <LjL-Temp> !betterquestion is <alias> goodquestion
[00:32] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL-Temp
[00:32] <bod_> Pirate_Hunter  in #ubuntu thought that the original   !gq was rude
[00:32] <LjL-Temp> why?
[00:33] <LjL-Temp> seemed ok to me
[00:33] <bod_> he suggested i 
[00:33] <bod_> !ellaborate
[00:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ellaborate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:33] <bod_> damn,.
[00:33] <Pici> !elaborate
[00:33] <ubotu> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[00:33] <bod_> thats the one
[00:33] <jdong> that's a bit too long too
[00:34] <LjL-Temp> rarely used
[00:34] <bod_> yer,. i find people ignore longwinded ones ,.,. mind you, they ignore all of them usually ;~)
[00:34] <LjL-Temp> more often used in PM (or at least should)
[00:34] <bod_> LjL-Temp, thats because noone can spell it
[00:34]  * jdong spawns PriceChild 
 Good golly, it should read 'elabourate'
[00:35] <nickrud> Please elaborate. Give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly links to configuration files. See !gq for suggestions.
[00:35] <PriceChild> What'd I do now?
[00:35] <jdong> PriceChild: I talked for you.
[00:35] <jdong> you can despawn now
[00:35] <bod_> i like nickruds suggestion
[00:36] <Pici> See GQ for fashion suggestions. 
[00:36] <bod_> !GQ
[00:36] <ubotu> Are you sure your question allows us to help you? Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'better' question.
[00:36] <nickrud> I like that how to ask page, it should be referenced often :)
[00:36] <LjL-Temp> PriceChild: been annoyingly british
[00:36] <jdong> I'd replace elaborate with a less repetitive word
[00:36] <nalioth> are we not ever gonna talk to anyone directly again?
[00:36] <nickrud> !no | nalioth
[00:36] <ubotu> nalioth: Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[00:36] <jdong> Like "Your problem/question is too vague for us to provide advice" or something.
[00:36] <Pici> No nalioth 
[00:37] <jdong> nalioth: it's the 21st century.
[00:37] <Pici> The !future !will !be !answered !in !factoids.
[00:37] <bod_> i suppose !vague would be good (instead of !elaborate)
[00:37] <nickrud> Your problem/question is too vague for us to provide useful advice. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly links to configuration files. See !gq for suggestions.
[00:37] <bod_> Pici, i think you missed !The
[00:38] <Pici> I dont know anything about The
[00:38] <nickrud> is Pici a bot?
[00:38] <Pici> 3rd time I've been asked that in as many days.
[00:38]  * nalioth eyes Pici 
[00:38] <bod_> Pici, The !future !will !be !answered !in !factoids. should be. !The !future !will !be !answered !in !factoids.
[00:39] <jdong> Pici: Type in the letters you see: "²AÇÂ≠ª¦"
[00:39]  * jdong sends his resume to Windows Live Mail
[00:39] <bod_> "²AÇÂ≠ª¦"
[00:39] <bod_> im confused
[00:39] <Pici> Thats okay, jdong has that effect.
[00:40] <jdong> see !jdong :P
[00:40]  * bod_ looks at jdong in a *scared* sort of manner
[00:40] <bod_> !jdong
 jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[00:40] <bod_> hahah
[00:41] <bod_> so jdong and ompaul have factoids,.,.who else?
[00:41] <nickrud> !nalioth
[00:41] <ubotu> Sorry, nalioth's repository is no longer available.
[00:41] <nickrud> heh. what a waste of a good factoid
[00:41] <jdong> so nalioth's a bot.
[00:41] <Amaranth> !amaranth
[00:41] <ubotu> *taptap* Is this thing on?
[00:42] <Pici> !pici
[00:42] <ubotu> pici is stuck in a factoid factory! Send help!
[00:42] <bod_> hahahahah ;~)
[00:42]  * bod_ wishes he had a factoid about himself.............................................................................................................(hint hint)..................................................................................
[00:43] <Pici> anyway
[00:43] <bod_> whats the package name for nvidia restricted driver?
[00:43] <jdong> bod_: that's a weighted question
[00:44] <jdong> inaccurate answer is nvidia-glx
[00:44] <jdong> semiaccurate answer is nvidia-glx* + linux-restricted-modules-generic
[00:44] <jdong> yay Ubuntu's terribly complicated modules system
[00:44] <bod_> jdong, someone in #ubuntu,. cant login because gdm crashes,. needs to install restricted driver for nvidia geforce 8000gt 
[00:45] <jdong> bod_: if he's installed binary nvidia drivers before, there's a much more involved uninstall procedure
[00:45] <bod_> ok,. well that hurts my head so,.lets not go there,.,.;~)
[00:45] <jdong> lol yeah
[00:46] <bod_> oh i almost forgot ,.,.all hail Pici's irc stats (because im near the top!!!)
[00:53] <bod_> ok, quick question,. i go to http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi to learn the factoids,. but it doesnt tell me what they say,.,. is there a site that shows what they do, or do i have to test them all myself?
[00:54] <PriceChild> bod_, the words on the left, trigger what is in the second column
[00:54] <Pici> The left column has the trigger, the middle column has the text.
[00:54] <nalioth> ubotu: tell bod_ about msgthebot
[00:54] <bod_> PriceChild, midlle column only has a few of the command responses
[00:55] <bod_> nalioth, is it possible for me to add joke/useless factoids?
[00:55] <nalioth> bod_: nope
[00:56] <bod_> nalioth, is that part really necessary in the msgthebot factoid then?
[00:56] <PriceChild> bod_, allll the ones on the left are "alias"s... they all trigger the same thing
[00:56]  * Pici wonders if bod_ is looking at the same website the rest of us are
[00:56] <Pici> !-pastebin
[00:56] <ubotu> pastebin aliases: paste, flood, flooding, pb, pasting - added by LjL on 2006-06-24 18:47:46
[00:57] <bod_> ah, got ya,.,.didnt study the page enough,.,. feel free to tell me im stupid,.,.;~)
[00:58] <nalioth> bod_: if you try to add instructions for bestiality, it will echo in here and you will be dealt with
[00:58]  * bod_ thinks nalioth has something other than irc on his mind
[00:59] <Pici> o.O
[00:59] <bod_> nalioth, is that just for bestiality or all associated word?
[00:59] <bod_> s*
[00:59] <nalioth> bod_: we've banned folks for what they put in the bot
[00:59] <bod_> 'cant' put things in the bot?nalioth, but i thought you said i c
[01:28] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[01:50] <Hobbsee> ubotu: foobar
[01:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about foobar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <Jordan_U> DeepB's quit message is a fork bomb
[02:07] <PriceChild> where?
[02:09] <Jordan_U> PriceChild, #ubuntu+1
[02:10] <PriceChild> Thankyou Jordan_U.
[02:11] <Jordan_U> PriceChild, np
[02:29] <PriceChild> Hey there DeepB.
[02:31] <DeepB> #ubuntu-ops? where is the +1 channel?
[02:31] <PriceChild> DeepB, any idea why I banforwarded you after you quit?
[02:32] <DeepB> no idea
[02:33] <nalioth> DeepB: why would you be here? think a bit
[02:34] <DeepB> i swear, no idea
[02:35] <nalioth> why would we ban you _after_ you left . . .
[02:38] <DeepB> feb 28 02:54:09 <Raspberry>	reboots X every time I try to run a Wine app that uses 3d
[02:38] <DeepB> **** FINALIZANDO CONEXIÓN EN Thu Feb 28 03:02:40 2008
[02:38] <DeepB>  tail -f #ubuntu+1
[02:38] <PriceChild> DeepB, quit message.
[02:40] <DeepB> ah, fork bomb :)
[02:40] <nalioth> ah.
[02:42] <DeepB> thanks, i have changed it :)
[02:42] <PriceChild> !guidelines | DeepB 
[02:42] <PriceChild> Please read those, the ban has been lifted
[02:43] <ubotu> DeepB: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:56] <DeepB> PriceChild: nalioth: i have read those irc guidelines, thanks... but i do not broke the rules, tell me what i done wrong
[02:57] <nalioth> DeepB: a fork bomb is not welcome here
[02:58] <DeepB> change it, it's esay
[02:58] <DeepB> *easy
[03:32] <mneptok> DeepB: a fork bomb in a /quit message is certainly against the spirit of the CoC, if not the letter
[03:46] <DeepB> mneptok: thanks
[03:48] <mneptok> yes, dear.
[04:27] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo all
[04:27] <bodhi_zazen> One of my team members is asking me about cloaks for the beginners team
[04:27] <bodhi_zazen> is this possible ? 
[04:27] <bodhi_zazen> if so, how ?
[04:28] <bodhi_zazen> thanks
[04:28] <vorian> bodhi_zazen, they need to be ubuntu members
[04:28] <bodhi_zazen> oh, that makes sense
[04:28] <vorian> and hello :)
[04:28] <bodhi_zazen> then, if they are members, the get one automatically
[04:29] <vorian> the only ubuntu cloak is the membership cloak
[04:29] <bodhi_zazen> good to see ya vorian 
[04:29] <vorian> ditto :)
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> vorian: and the official bot cloak
[04:30] <vorian> oops, yes
[04:30]  * vorian should know that one
[04:31] <PriceChild> and the super special shiny one for me
[04:33] <vorian> the elementary school one?
[04:33]  * vorian hides
[04:38] <bodhi_zazen> PriceChild, you deserve you are like always on IRC
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> vorian: PriceChild [i=pricechi@ubuntu/member/with.shiny.red.star.sticker.PriceChild]
[04:39] <vorian> tonyyarusso, hahah!
[04:39] <PriceChild> bodhi_zazen, I always 'appear' to be on irc
[04:49] <bodhi_zazen> PriceChild, he he he, tis true
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: re: perl modules on DreamHost, what's stopping you from installing them yourself?  gcc is available.
[05:55]  * tonyyarusso is attempting such silliness now
[07:09] <otherss> hello i got a question regarding paypal
[07:09] <otherss> maybe somebody can give me  straight up anwser
[07:09] <otherss> say i wnt to buy somethin and the way  i want to do it is by a PAYPAL to PAYPAL direct transfer
[07:09] <Myrtti> and how does it relate to the #ubuntu irc channels?
[07:09] <otherss> noting it as a purchase of goods
[07:09] <otherss> if i get frauded
[07:10] <otherss> would i be protected 
[07:10] <otherss> i know it works like that with ebay
[07:10] <Myrtti> you've been forwarded to this channel because you've got a bad ident
[07:10] <otherss> shut the fuck up
[07:10] <otherss> go away
[07:10] <Myrtti> change it and you'll be permitted to join the channels you actually tried to join
[07:10] <otherss> some degenerate
[07:10] <otherss> waiting for people to join
[07:11] <otherss> go away
[07:11] <otherss> fuckin gnat
[07:11] <Myrtti> erhm
[07:11] <otherss> the flys keep coming
[07:11] <Myrtti> that was nice
[07:12] <PriceChild> Myrtti, :/
[07:13] <Myrtti> nothing new
[13:31] <jpatrick> hmm, i=xoris
[13:31] <PriceChild> rumbled
[13:31] <Pici> I had a dream about someone being banned in #kubuntu... how depressing.
[13:32] <LjL-Temp> mirc here
[13:32] <LjL-Temp> Pici: ...
[13:32] <jpatrick> Pici: that could be arranged
[13:34] <jpatrick> arg, missed the someone there :)
[15:14]  * Pici grinds his teeth
[15:18] <_FReeZ> Hi, who decides whether a word is good or bad?
[15:18] <PriceChild> Hey there _FReeZ.
[15:18] <_FReeZ> PriceChild, hi
[15:18] <_FReeZ> What about, for example $hit
[15:18] <tritium> There are societal norms, _FReeZ.
[15:19] <_FReeZ> $hit += 2; // assign 2 to variable hit
[15:19] <_FReeZ> tritium, ok, where are these norms?
[15:20] <tritium> _FReeZ: you've been warned
[15:21] <_FReeZ> tritium, yes, that's right. I've been warned at #ubuntu, but still don't know what's so wrong with some words I enjoy to use when I don't like something. How can I say that using the non-forbidden words, when I don't know them, because nobody uses them?
[15:22] <tritium> Try using common sense, _FReeZ.
[15:22] <_FReeZ> tritium, can you please tell me how to say "Windows is piece of crap" ?
[15:22] <tritium> If you're lacking in that area, we can't help you.
[15:23] <tritium> No, I have more important things to do.  Good day.
[15:23] <_FReeZ> So don't complain, then. Thanks
[15:23] <tritium> No, you'll have to be responsible for your own actions, I'm afraid.
[15:24] <tritium> As much as that may bother you, it's a fact of life you'll learn as you mature.
[15:24] <_FReeZ> Words != actions, right?
[15:24] <tritium> using words is an action
[15:25] <_FReeZ> I know the suitable polite words in my native language only, in English I know only a few of them and they're not so good.
[15:25] <tritium> Then don't use them, since you know they're "not so good."
[15:25] <tritium> See, and you thought you needed help knowing what words not to say, but you knew all along.
[15:27] <_FReeZ> ok, I was kidding dude. It's so extremely funny to tell the people you share the anti-m$ anger with them... =)
[15:28] <_FReeZ> As far as I know *buntu is indended to use by the total newbies, I came here to laught with the others because I'm bored
[15:29] <_FReeZ> ...is intended to be used... right?
[15:29] <PriceChild> _FReeZ, trundle off please.
[15:30] <_FReeZ> PriceChild, what does it mean trundle? Is that a simile for the F-word?
[15:31] <_FReeZ> lol, it's quite like roll :-D
[15:32] <_FReeZ> THX PriceChild 
[15:45] <Pici> Wow, I'm glad I missed that.
[16:05] <Gary> you do get some odd folks here
[16:24] <Pici> nalioth, Seveas: ping
[16:24] <Seveas> ?
[16:24] <Pici> Seveas: pm?
[16:24] <Seveas> k
[16:49] <nalioth> Pici: pong
[16:49] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: do you not think i tried to install them?
[16:50] <Pici> nalioth: I was wondering about getting op access in #ubuntu+1
[16:50] <nalioth> you were?
[16:50] <Pici> I am still.
[16:51] <Pici> Sev deferred me to the IRC council. You and he were the only ones around with >10 access anyway though.
[17:05] <PriceChild> k
[17:05] <Pici> k
[17:05] <PriceChild> I'm happy with it.
[17:06]  * PriceChild hits his stupid typing fingers, somehow.
[17:10] <Pici> Thanks :)
[17:35] <jpatrick> evening ompaul 
[17:42] <ompaul> jpatrick, hi
[17:42]  * ompaul departs to a POTD with de lug
[17:42] <ompaul> cheers
[17:44] <Seeker`> POTD?
[17:46] <jpatrick> Photo of the Day?
[17:47] <ompaul> pint
[17:47] <nalioth> pig? prig? phlebotomist?
[17:47] <ompaul> dinner is at 6:30 I am now time challenged :)
[17:47]  * ompaul departs to a POTD with de lug
[18:18] <Gary> omg it's a tsmithe 
[18:19] <Seeker`> :O
[18:29] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, __mikem said: !forget girls
[18:33] <LjL-Temp> might want to follow his own advice
[18:52] <PriceChild> xchat-gnome was fixed in hardy to use 8001 by default
[18:52] <Pici> yay
[18:52] <LjL-Temp> what about other clients
[18:53] <PriceChild> xchat was fixed a little ago
[18:54] <PriceChild> i'm 'reasonably' sure pidgin is fine
[18:54] <PriceChild> irssi is ok
[18:54] <PriceChild> i haven't checked any others
[18:54] <Pici> I'm doing an update right now, but I'll take a look in a few.
[18:54] <LjL-Temp> no one with kde installed?
[18:54] <Pici> I think I have it here...
[18:55] <LjL-Temp> could you check kopete and konversation
[18:55] <jussi01> I have it if you bear with me a few mins
[18:55] <jussi01> (got to restart)
[18:55] <Pici> update-initramfs is running here. /me waits
[18:56] <Pici> Konversation is on 8001 for irc.ubuntu.com, the default
[18:57] <Pici> Kopete still appears to be pointing towards 6667
[19:04] <LjL-Temp> hm i think i see konversation is more widely used than kopete
[19:04] <LjL-Temp> (konversation being installed by default, as opposed to xchat on ubuntu, probably helps with that)
[19:04] <Pici> Kopete didn't have a default irc server either, you had to choose 'freenode' from the list.
[19:05] <jussi01> kopete just has arcnet there as its first on the list
[19:05] <LjL-Temp> Pici: yes. isn't it the same with pidgin?
[19:05] <Pici> I don't know
[19:34] <Myrtti> would you terribly mind if I cursed a bit here in Finnish :->
[19:35] <Myrtti> "atleast you'd know which words are bad in Finnish and would know to reprimand people using them"
[19:35] <Myrtti> I'll actually take the painkillers now
[19:36] <jussi01> hehehe
[19:37] <Myrtti> today's been a bad day for my sciatica again, well I've had worse but this is also awful
[19:37] <Myrtti> bathroom light bulb went dead the day before and I don't know how to change it
[19:38]  * jussi01 thinks ouch, but still doesnt know what sciatica is
[19:38] <Myrtti> yesterday my ex promised to come and see it today but he didn't
[19:38] <Pici> I had to look it up :/
[19:38] <Myrtti> jussi01: iskias in Finnish
[19:38] <jussi01> Myrtti: is it one of the fluorescent ones?
[19:38] <Pici> People suck.
[19:38] <Myrtti> jussi01: no, just a light bulb, but the cover on it is glass and I don't know how to take it off without using excess force
[19:39]  * Pici had a busy stressfull day, but at least wasn't in physical pain
[19:39] <jussi01> Myrtti: ahhh
[19:39] <Myrtti> well actually there's two lightbulbs and the other is still fine, but it's still dark there
[19:39]  * jussi01 had a busy day, but no pain either
[19:39] <Myrtti> GODDAMMIT THE PAIN
[19:40] <Myrtti> ok, just sit and wait for the medication to kick in
[19:40] <jussi01> Myrtti: its probably the same or similar as we have here
[19:41] <Myrtti> VISAHEPAPEJU
[19:41] <Myrtti> grrr
[19:41] <Pici> :(
[19:41] <Myrtti> /me gnarls
[19:41]  * jussi01 waits for p**** v**** and the rest....
[19:43] <Myrtti> I just lost the feeling on my foot.
[19:43] <Myrtti> jolly nice
[19:44] <Pici> Maybe a pinched nerve?
[19:44] <Pici> I'm hoping
[19:44] <Myrtti> Pici: that's basically what sciatica *IS*
[19:44] <Pici> Myrtti: Well, yes. I but I mean to the point where nothing gets through.
[19:44]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti 
[19:44] <Myrtti> yup
[19:57] <jussi01> !langpack
[19:57] <ubotu> A recent update broke some KDE language packs, leaving the user unable to login. (http://launchpad.net/bugs/195647) This has now been fixed and an updated package is in the -updates repo.
[19:57] <jussi01> comments?
[19:58] <Pici> jussi01: May want to include the package names for the people who removed them.
[19:58] <Pici> Unless they're being pulled in again.
[19:58] <jussi01> Pici: sure
[20:01] <jussi01> !langpack
[20:01] <ubotu> A recent update broke some KDE language packs, leaving the user unable to login. (http://launchpad.net/bugs/195647) This has now been fixed and an updated package is in the -updates repo. If you removed the packages with the interim fix you can reinstall them with: << sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-en language-pack-kde-en-base >>
[20:02] <Pici> I like it.
[20:02] <jussi01> great :)
[20:19] <jussi01> what is the policy on sysinfo scripts? ok in -offtopic ?
[20:19] <LjL-Temp> hm?
[20:20] <jussi01> os[Linux 2.6.11-xenU - Debian lenny/sid] up[ 92 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes] cpu[Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU            3050  @ 2.13GHz, 2133.472 MHz (4613.73 bogomips)] mem[ 441.34/503.93 MB (87.6%)] video[ at  ( bits)]
[20:20] <jussi01> I know they arent appreciated in support channels
[20:20] <jussi01> but I assume its ok in -offtopic?
[20:21] <jussi01> well I know they arent appreciated in #ubuntuforums anyway
[20:22] <LjL-Temp> ah
[20:22] <LjL-Temp> hm i guess if it isn't just gratuituous
[20:23] <jussi01> sure, just people wanting to swap sysinfo scrits - general chat type stuff
[20:23] <nalioth> swapping scripts is one thing, spamming your info is another
[20:24] <jussi01> yeah, thats how I thought of it. 
[20:31] <Seeker`> there should be a period (like an hour or so) where certain words are banned, and anyone using these words will be kicked, just to keep people on their toes
[20:33] <Gary> Seeker`: and for the word of the hour to not be published \o/
[20:33] <Gary> and sometimes the word "a" to be chosen
[20:33] <Seeker`> Gary: something like that
[20:33] <jussi01> ehehheheh
[20:33] <Seeker`> Gary: But with a few words, so it is difficult to work out
[20:34] <Gary> I thought we did that anyways in -ot?
[20:34] <Gary> random kickings that is
[20:34] <Seeker`> I thought that happened anywhere you were Gary
[20:34] <LjL-Temp> Gary: not random kickings based on a programme of banning specific words
[20:36] <Gary> LjL-Temp: thats just a technicallity
[20:36] <nalioth> random kicking?
[20:36] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: no, never
[20:36] <Gary> s/banning specific words/picking on the victim of the day
[20:37] <LjL-Temp> Gary: which happens to be the same for several consecutive days
[20:37] <Gary> normally mc44
[20:37] <LjL-Temp> yes, normally him
[20:38] <LjL-Temp> but no
[20:38] <LjL-Temp> we were talking about random kickings
[20:38] <LjL-Temp> mc44 deserves them
[20:38] <Gary> no, doing things like that would be cruel and evil, and that never happens
[20:38] <LjL-Temp> of course
[21:35] <ompaul> sysinfo there is no policy
[22:48] <jussi01> ompaul: except for in #ubuntuforums :P
[22:51] <ubotu> In ubotu, gshie said: who is stdin?
[22:52] <stdin> ...
[22:52] <jussi01> hehe
[22:52] <ompaul>  /msg ubotu stdin is the standard input so you can't see 
[22:53] <ompaul>  /msg ubotu stdin is the standard input so you can't see you may only infer
[22:53] <jussi01> hehe
[22:53] <ompaul> stdin, will I tell gshie this fact?
[22:53] <ompaul> via the bot?
[22:54] <stdin> he only asked "who is stdin?" because I did !bot > gshie
[22:56] <ompaul> DrDerek, you don't abuse others
[22:56] <DrDerek> I didn't know you were an op. I was only having fun.
[22:56] <ompaul> it does not matter what I am 
[22:56] <ompaul> you abused others 
[22:56] <ompaul> using stfu is ooo
[22:56] <DrDerek> ooo?
[22:56] <ompaul> out of order
[22:59] <ompaul> DrDerek, me being an op is just the wrong reason to behave
[22:59] <ompaul> you should do it cos you are in company and you don't know the people there
[22:59] <DrDerek> aye, I wasn't thinking much of it.
[23:00] <DrDerek> I dunno, I figured most of us were in good spirits, so didn't think it'd been too much of an ordeal.
[23:00] <ompaul> well ubuntu channels can be enjoyed without going out of your way to annoy others
[23:00] <DrDerek> I wasn't aiming to annoy -
[23:00] <ompaul> !guidelines
[23:00] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:00] <ompaul> tell you what - read those 
[23:00] <ompaul> I'll lift the ban in 10 
[23:00] <DrDerek> all right, thank you.
[23:01] <ompaul> so that will give you something to think about
[23:01] <DrDerek> aye.
[23:01]  * ompaul goes to find something to do for 10 mins
[23:01] <ompaul> ssh -C work :-/
[23:01] <DrDerek> what's -C do
[23:01] <jdong> compress
[23:01] <ompaul> read the page
[23:02] <DrDerek> I am.
[23:02] <jdong> it's really great for when you feel ssh updating every keystroke is boring or helps you type too well
[23:02] <jdong> cough.
[23:02] <Seeker`> sneeze?
[23:02] <jussi01> hello jdong...
[23:03] <jdong> hello jussi01 :)
[23:04] <ompaul> jdong, ever run a box on a live usb stick - shut down the kdm/gdm and then do something mad like on that box X :0 -query someOtherBox?
[23:04] <jdong> I'm not crazy enough to trust my subnet and run XDMCP, but... go ahead?
[23:04] <ompaul> jdong, hehe - I have to I run the subnet
[23:07] <jdong> ompaul: hehe. Since my subnet is 18.96.0.0/16 (i.e. public).... I tend not to trust it much :D
[23:08] <ompaul> jdong, actually that raises the obvious how could I do xdmcp over ssh
[23:08] <ompaul> jdong, /me will now insult two good books back soon
[23:08] <jdong> hmm interesting.
[23:09] <jdong> XDMCP is a UDP protocol right?
[23:09] <jdong> I'm guessing your answer will lie in either some weird socks/tccat hack, or with (more enticingly) openssh tun VPNs
[23:09] <ompaul> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/XDMCP-HOWTO/
[23:10] <ompaul> hmm
[23:10] <ompaul> the latter would be strange on the server side
[23:10] <ompaul> i.e. it would require huge overhead on a server serving 40 people
[23:10] <ompaul> but xdmcp is low for values of it
[23:11] <jdong> yeah SSH is definitely very very mean to a server
[23:12]  * ompaul wonders about doing something clever like "desktop/server running some strange stuff .. router/ssh box --static route to desktop -- nasty big box
[23:12] <ompaul> where nasty big box supplies the 40 or so desktops for that building 
[23:13] <ompaul> jdong, I already do some very very strange stuff on openvpn
[23:13] <jdong> :)
[23:14] <ompaul> jdong, I think that is the only sensible way - get the SSH tackled by a cheap router but with a stack of ram and PROC if needs be get another one
[23:16] <ompaul> DrDerek, that ban is lifted - please note the guidelines
[23:16] <ompaul> DrDerek, is there anything else?
[23:17] <jdong> ompaul: mmm interesting, one of those hardware encryption chips... or I've heard AMD64 OpenSSH is significantly more tuned too
[23:18] <ompaul> jdong, noted
[23:18] <jdong> also, have you considered NX compression? Its benefits in terms of bandwidth/response are significant, though not everyone is that confident about its codebase
[23:19] <ompaul> jdong, well I have seen it work but it does cost per seat
[23:19] <jdong> no no, almost all of it is GPL'd
[23:20] <jdong> you can easily build from the GPL'd components, with or without FreeNX
[23:28] <ompaul> !search troll
[23:28] <ubotu> Found: troll*, don't feed the troll, nl-troll, feeding the troll, nl-troll in een internetomgeving, feedthetroll, atroll, a troll*
[23:29] <ompaul> atroll
[23:29] <ompaul> !atroll
[23:29] <ubotu> trolling / trollish behaviour is behaviour that is considered annoying by other channel users, this includes going offtopic, asking the same question time and again getting answered and not acknowledging the answer, and these are not the only ways behaviour can be considered trolling, please see /msg ubotu guidelines - if this applies to you, you may find yourself outside the channel
[23:29]  * nickrud sulks
[23:29] <ompaul> Seeker`, you could remember that ;-)
[23:29] <Seeker`> hmm
[23:31] <ompaul> Seeker`, you could fire it into the channe;
[23:31] <ompaul> in question
[23:31] <ompaul> far be it from me to do anything other than advise ;-)
[23:31] <Seeker`> I think I'll leave it for now, see what he does
[23:31] <Gary> whats up?
[23:31] <Seeker`> Gary: Darkmystere lolling a bit too much
[23:32] <Gary> lollercoaster
[23:32]  * Gary hides
[23:32] <Gary> in -uk?
[23:32] <ompaul> Gary, yeap that would be about the strength of it - yes
[23:34] <Gary> a soft ignore works for me in that situation Seeker` 
[23:34] <mneptok> oh, i got your "soft ignore" *right here*, baby
[23:34]  * mneptok bats his eylashes
[23:34] <nickrud> !language | mneptok 
[23:34] <ubotu> mneptok: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:34] <Seeker`> I tend not to ignore people
[23:35] <Seeker`> Gary: So i can see if they do something really silly
[23:35] <Gary> Seeker`: not /ignore
[23:35] <ompaul> !mneptok | mneptok 
[23:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mneptok - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:35] <mneptok> ubotu: you and me both
[23:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you and me both - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:35] <Gary> soft ignore, ie just ignore his rabblings, like we do with mneptok 
[23:36] <Gary> oh hi mneptok 
[23:36] <Seeker`> Gary: and ompaul? :P
[23:36] <nickrud> hi jack
[23:36] <ompaul> @lart mneptok 
[23:36] <mneptok> !jazzpants ompaul
[23:37] <Gary> !pity 10 mneptok 
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pity 10 mneptok - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:37] <mneptok> !iloveyou
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iloveyou - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:39] <mneptok> ubotu iloveyou is <reply>was it good for \you? - http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1310/909342308_325d9c384e.jpg
[23:39] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, mneptok said: ubotu iloveyou is <reply>was it good for \you? - http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1310/909342308_325d9c384e.jpg
[23:39] <mneptok> %login
[23:40] <mneptok> %btlogin
[23:40] <mneptok> gtrkjh ewrnbwt ebi
[23:46] <Gary> ompaul: added to #ubuntu-uk access list
[23:46] <ompaul> Gary, ack
[23:46] <Gary> ack = eeek ?
[23:47] <ompaul> no 
[23:47] <Gary> oh ack = woo hoo
[23:47] <ompaul> syn, broadcast, ack, acknowledge
[23:47] <Gary> lol
[23:47] <ompaul> synack - dinner :)
[23:48] <Gary> mneptok: were you really going to add that!
[23:48] <mneptok> Gary: i'm not that drunk yet
[23:49] <Gary> awww
[23:49] <mneptok> you could probably talk me into it in a few hours
[23:49] <mneptok> well, if we can login
[23:51] <Seeker`> is there a difference between @btlogin and %btlogin