=== neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [00:14] so do you Jucato :) [00:14] not anymore though :) [00:16] hello, any here? [00:28] Riddell: I have just tested the 'Print Head Cleaner' and it is making the printer in class go crazy :) [00:28] so the button worked!!! [00:29] Note to self: "You cannot clean print heads on a LASERJET printer" :) [00:31] Riddell: simply copy the maintenance_command(self, command) stuff from the gtk version, and then add the following code for the button: [00:31] def on_btnCleanHeads_clicked(self): [00:31] self.maintenance_command ("Clean all") [00:31] that is all you need, and comment out the .hide() on self.btnCleanHeads.show() === jelmer_ is now known as jelmer [02:39] If it's bugfix only, go for it. [02:39] Just file a bug to document what you're doing === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [03:02] nixternal: copy stuff from the gtk version? they're not using a common backend? :O === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [03:39] yuriy: there is a common, but that isn't in it [03:39] that whole thing is a mess, the worst thing I have ever looked at [03:43] nah, there's far worse. [03:44] or should I say "there are far worse" === krawek1 is now known as krawek [04:57] ryanakca: gahahahahahahha, you need to see this email I just got with your email addy in the To: field...it is great [05:07] hi nixternal, i've printed some kubuntu posters. the documents are only available in the german A0 (841mm x 1189mm) format. are you interested for an pdf in an us format? [05:25] sure [05:32] I think ANSI E is the right format? [05:36] oh man, I really don't know [05:36] do you have the source of the posters? [05:38] the source is the svg from the kubuntu marketing wiki page [05:38] oh [05:38] wikipedia says, ANSI E is the right format ;) [05:39] * Hobbsee wonders when kde4 will become usable. [05:39] well I will just grab that then, unless you have it all funkdafied and what not :) [05:39] KDE 4 has been usable for me now for a couple of months [05:39] I will say it isn't the greatest on an amd64 system [05:39] hmm [05:39] it is always locking up and crashing, but I can't blame that on KDE 4 just yet [05:39] I installed from the new kde 4 cd [05:40] I had hardy kde4, didn't lock up or crash [05:40] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuMarketing/Material [05:40] (amd64) [05:40] except that it's just unusable without proxy support [05:40] nixternal: does the gtk qt engine work yet? [05:40] not that I have seen thus far [05:40] so Gtk apps look a little ugly, so does gnome, but that is still usable :p [05:41] you can always enable "apply kde4 colours to non-kde apps" in system settings :P [05:42] that's not enough :) [05:42] ya :p [05:42] only gtk app I use is Gimp, so it doesn't bother me [05:42] you don't use firefox?! [05:42] I hate firefox [05:42] hmm [05:43] it is a bloated turd just like internet explorer [05:50] OMG, nixternal blasphemes. [05:51] i guess it is okay in #kubuntu-devel , lol [05:52] hehe [05:57] !visternal [05:57] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [06:12] Hey! [06:24] hey! [07:07] Hobbsee: do I need to file an FFe for a sync from Debian that just incorporates a couple of fixes for some bugs? [07:09] nixternal: any features? [07:09] no [07:09] it is Gwenview, in main [07:10] hrmm [07:10] there are the 2 patches I want, and then the only changes made int he Debian package is bump to 3.7.3 and and compat to 6, which may be an issue [07:13] w/2006m3610 [07:13] really? :) [07:14] sorry, wrong input field. Early in the morning :) [07:14] hehe [07:14] now we all know your password for your bank account [07:15] not so bad ;) [07:15] you can be admin in forum kubuntu-de.org [07:16] Hobbsee: I think I will just go ahread and create a debdiff for Riddell with those 2 patches from Debian...we don't need compat 6 in case we want to backport it to >= Dapper [07:16] I think I should change the password now^^ [07:16] hehe [07:16] now that you told us what it was for [07:17] nixternal: right [07:17] nixternal: then you can just upload [07:18] well I can't, but you can :) [07:18] muhehe === hunger_t is now known as hunger [07:55] Hobbsee: do you want to do this debdiff for gwenview really quick? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:34] Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/ <- gwenview and polyester debdiffs to fix some bugs - gwenview fixes 2 bugs and polyester fixes 1 bug [08:34] * nixternal beds [08:34] g'nite [08:34] bye nixternal [08:34] :) [08:44] Why can't I download the kde4.0.1 stuff from the archive? [08:56] Ah, now the debs finally showed up:-) [09:28] KDE4 will not start up: Splash screen appears, last icon flashes there. It vanishes after a while and nothing more happens. Any idea how to debug this? [09:29] hunger: it takes you back to the login screen? [09:29] nareshov: nope. [09:29] try sudo mv /etc/kde4rc /etc/kde4rc_do_not_use [09:29] nareshov: I just sit there with an empty screen that will only respond to ALT-CTRL-Backspace. [09:32] nareshov: That helped! Thanks! [09:33] np [09:34] Any idea what was in the file? I rm-ed it;-) [09:35] heh [09:35] it was supposed to go anyway [09:35] nareshov: Well, if I cared I could just check it out again;-) [09:36] removing that file improves my kde 4.1 build, unfortunately it does not fix it. [09:38] hunger: any idea if anyone is working on the proxy-support bug at all? [09:38] nareshov: Which proxy support bug? [09:39] hunger: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155707 [09:39] KDE bug 155707 in general "proxy settings are not followed" [Major,New] [09:40] Oh, it's assigned to someone now [09:42] nareshov: No idea, sorry. [09:42] but it is good to see it assigned;-) [09:42] ya [09:43] * hunger sighs. Soprano is borked in SVN since yesterday evening already. [09:57] * hunger grumbles. KDE 3 is no fun anymore... konqui got so damn crashy since the last update:-( [10:02] <_StefanS_> hunger: desktop icons in kde4 isn't exactly amazing either.. I cant figure out why they're made like applets [10:02] add the taskbar to that [10:02] hmmm, is it possible to not have the temp files ending in ~ left in the folder after use? ie. the ones created when you edit a picture or document? [10:02] <_StefanS_> nareshov: agreed. [10:02] + KDE3 is like < 500MB ram on my laptop, KDE4 is about 800MB, plasma is heavy :\ [10:02] The taskbar sucks, I agree. [10:04] I do understand the icons as applets approach from an engineering point of view. I don't have icons on the desktop, so I do not care from a user POV;-) [10:05] <_StefanS_> hunger: well, kde4 is not finished yet, so it will be improved along the way.. [10:05] <_StefanS_> I hope. [10:05] * nareshov too sincerely hopes [10:06] _StefanS_: Well, it will pick up Decibel and other stuff, so it will improve;-) [10:06] _StefanS_: Let's just hope that the stuff that is annoying right now will improve as well. [10:07] <_StefanS_> hunger: yep I think it will. I just hope they will optimize the UI for general usage along the way, and not wait ~3-4years. I think it so unusable in its current state (and thats without window animations, fades and that). [10:07] I hope that butt-ugly menu thingy will vanish as well... I always hated suse's menu in KDE3, now I have to see it on every distribution in KDE4. [10:08] we need a Finder kind of thing [10:08] And it even got more ugly in the conversion (cramped icons and everything). [10:09] <_StefanS_> hunger: yep that menu is definitely not good.. but then again I dont have anything else that the regular "start"-menu approach to suggest either. [10:09] THe good ol' K-menu was good enough for years. I want it back;-) [10:10] the old style menu is there in kde4 [10:10] <_StefanS_> hunger: cant you change that btw? [10:10] I hardly ever need a menu anyway. [10:10] you can [10:10] <_StefanS_> oka, I might want to try that sometime [10:11] <_StefanS_> ScottK2, ScottK: did you succeed with the patch? [10:13] <_StefanS_> hunger: what gfx card are you using? [10:14] <_StefanS_> hunger: I have a Nvidia Quadro 570M, but I cant get it to perform decently in 2d.. [10:17] _StefanS_: A ATI card... it basically is a very expensive framebuffer in linux. [10:18] <_StefanS_> hunger: yep i recently got rid of ATI in my house. But this quadro thingy is just amazingly slow... i can see the webpages, windows repaint from top and down. [10:18] <_StefanS_> pretty b0rked. [10:18] _StefanS_: I have a laptop, so replacing the graphics card is not that easy. [10:20] <_StefanS_> hunger: I replaced my laptops. [10:20] <_StefanS_> hunger: using new thinkpads now [10:21] <_StefanS_> ah I think i found something... dynamic clocks is ruining performance in 2d.. [10:24] _StefanS_: you mean dynamic cpu frequency policy? [10:25] <_StefanS_> nareshov: nope the gpu frequency policy [10:25] nareshov: That or dynamic clocks on the GPU. [10:25] <_StefanS_> nareshov: the cpu has not effect, I tried it. [10:25] <_StefanS_> not/no [10:26] k [11:08] here we go again :/ http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/247/ [11:08] more spam? [11:09] hmmm, [11:09] Hobbsee: no the we need more paid canonical employees on kubuntu [11:09] ah yeah [11:10] then... the lovely gnome vs kde... [11:10] sigh [11:11] * Jucato sighs with jussi01 [11:21] some nice stuff on there [11:38] * hunger is looking for a "clean up the base system idea".... [11:39] I really hate those errors visible when usplash is disabled. [11:45] hiya! [11:47] * hunger wonders which account is needed to access brainstorm... [11:48] hunger: QA account [11:48] like the one for iso testing [11:48] that is the one i used [11:48] That is a different one from launchpad, the wiki, mailman and whatnot? [11:48] jep [11:48] when you register a new account there it lists all the services you can use it at [11:49] just above the registration form [11:49] The ubuntu website is so sucky! Launchpad is so annoying and confusing, you need different accounts all over the place, the ubuntu.com site has hardly any info at all. [11:50] there was a wish @ brainstorm for access with open id for everything ;-) [11:50] I think you want to give that a + [11:50] There are lots of cool sites, but you need to find out about them one by one. [11:50] :P [11:50] Nightrose: Nope, can't be bothered to create yet another account for yet another system where I'll get ignored;-) [11:51] well I gave all the kubuntu stuff a + [11:51] we need more kubuntu there after all [11:51] at least there is a slight chance it helps [11:52] If something bothers me enough I'll just write some bugreport in launchpad. At least I have an account for that;-) [11:53] well once you got an account there you can use it for iso testing as well... [11:53] so it is not entirely useless [11:53] Iso testing is useless to me. I aptitude upgrade;-) [11:54] useless to you... - not useless to kubuntu ;-) [11:55] Nightrose: Sorry, I just do not care enough anymore to bother. I got work to do and there is lots of more interesting stuff out there to do in my spare time. [11:55] yea sure [11:56] I do write bugreports (when something annoys me enough), I even try to fix stuff and append patches to those reports, but that is all I am willing to contribute back. [11:56] which is more than a lot of other people do [11:58] And I do read the bugreports on the stuff I wrote, so that I may help those guys that package it. But that is not "helping ubuntu" but doing the more interesting stuff;-) [12:02] nixternal: lol :P [12:02] * ryanakca wonders how many other distros get spammed [12:03] the popular ones [12:03] heh [12:34] good afternoon friend [12:34] friends [12:39] hiya [12:40] hi mhb [12:41] looks like someone successfully made a kcron kcm :) [13:03] Jucato: groovy === allee_ is now known as allee === Pricey is now known as PriceChild === manchicken_ is now known as manchicken === \sh is now known as \sh_away [16:22] is it so silent these days? [16:22] yeah.... silent.... [16:23] actually, is it too late to change something in the desktop-effect-kde? the descriptions of the different levels need serious help :) [16:23] seems like that [16:23] .oO(I spoke about the silence) [16:24] nosrednaekim: I hope they still accept bug fixes [16:24] it's not even March, after all [16:25] ok, i'll hurry up and change that then === alleeHol is now known as allee === \sh_away is now known as \sh [18:32] mornin' [18:32] nixternal: don't worry, we all got killed from OFTC [18:32] hey nixternal :) [18:32] heh [18:33] jpatrick: any idea what that was all about? [18:33] bug in services turning something into a *@* kline. [18:33] Rock on! [18:33] ahhh [18:33] nice [18:33] Bug 1, OFTC 0 [18:33] evenin' nonetheless :) [18:33] bug in services == we got hax0red [18:38] yeah, that would explain it... [19:00] heh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57857/ [19:09] * nixternal puts the core-dev lu*re into the water and checks to see if they are biting [19:10] hax0red? [19:10] aww [19:10] ya, I had to 1980s 1337 on it [19:10] what was hacked again? [19:10] I'm not sure I follow [19:11] nothing probably, but OFTC crashed earlier giving everyone a *@* kline === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [19:41] anyone else experiencing problems with archive.ubuntu.com? [19:43] worksforme [19:43] for me too [19:51] now its working [19:58] <_StefanS_> evening [19:58] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey [19:59] evening _StefanS_ [19:59] <_StefanS_> hey jp === \sh is now known as \sh_away [20:16] hrmm, there aren't many updates to kde 4.0.2 extragear packages [20:16] mostly just strings [20:30] where can I find a list of .patch files used in the Ubuntu Gutsy kernel? [20:30] ARGH! [20:30] NthDegree: http://patches.ubuntu.com/ [20:31] NthDegree: apt-get source PackageNameYouWant [20:34] jpatrick: it doesn't seem to give me a list of .patch files unless i'm missing something [20:34] just one big clump of a patch [20:39] jpatrick: what i'm meaning to look for are things like the individual patch file ubuntu uses for dazuko or for apparmor for example [20:40] NthDegree: you'll have to fetch the source package then [20:40] i've got the package known as linux-source but that has kernel sources which are already patched right? [20:41] and the sources to kernel-sources are a bunch of linux-meta bits which are just confusing the hell outta me :( [20:41] maybe #ubuntu-kernel could help better? [20:41] ah, didn't know there was such a channel.. thanks =] [21:29] come on, it's friday night, let's have a flame war! [21:30] is this a regular thing? I must have missed it until now :P [21:30] ok do we go for the usual vi vs emacs? or something more advanced? [21:32] we could have a "linux is a no good unix" [21:32] I've heard that a lot of times [21:33] from the lecturers at "Introduction to UNIX" [21:34] sounds good [21:34] also [21:34] is there a command-not-found app for man pages? [21:34] when I need a man pages I never seem to find one [21:34] we could also do a nice kubuntu vs suse [21:34] or are command liners not in favour anymore? [21:35] Nightrose: I would have to know suse [21:35] true [21:35] ok then a kubuntu vs whatever [21:36] what do you think of that brainstorm think? [21:36] thing [21:36] I don't find it very helpful [21:36] ideas has never been a problem [21:37] well if it helps making these ideas heard then I am all for it [21:37] have [21:37] just not sure it does help with that [21:37] I really hope though [21:37] * Nightrose voted for all the good kubuntu stuff [21:39] I'd vote for [21:39] * more automation in package management [21:39] * more automation in configuration tool building [21:39] * more automation in testing [21:39] * spending more time code reviewing so the code isn't slow as hell [21:40] I've never understood how can you people tinker with packaging [21:40] but that's my very personal opinion [21:42] I'd be happy if we could just let packaging to the machines [21:42] and concentrate on bug fixes and coding [21:43] I suppose a lot of people would be happy with that [21:43] then why aren't they trying to make it reality? [21:44] iDunno [21:45] * Nightrose gets something to eat [21:56] in certain situations, my xserver freezes the system. thist afternoon while playing freeciv, now having amarok frontend open :-/ [22:10] Err http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe klipper-kde4 4:4.0.1-0ubuntu6 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.31 80] [22:10] among others, that's after running 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' [22:11] ryanakca: nixternal was experiencing similiar problems earlier [22:11] seele: possibly interesting question for you http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/08/02/29/1745230.shtml [22:12] jpatrick: hmm... archive.u.c seems to go into laps of trouble... same thing happened last week. [22:24] Riddell: did you get my link to the 2 debdiffs I did for gwenview and polyester? [22:24] ryanakca: ya, I was getting that earlier as well [22:26] * kwwii makes it back from a very delayed flight [22:26] howdy kwwii [22:28] nixternal: nope [22:28] http://www.nixternal.com/~rj [22:28] kwwii: enjoyed london? [22:28] both of those are just minor fixes to close out some bugs [22:29] the polyester one might be a good backport candidate [22:29] Riddell: oh, package training was *so* much fun [22:30] kwwii for MOTU! [22:30] +1 :) [22:30] and having a flight delayed so that I miss my connection in Zurich (spent 11 hours underway) was the cherry on top of it all [22:30] Riddell: lol, trust me, you do not want that (but others at the company do!) [22:38] nixternal: uploaded, thanks [22:46] man, I feel lonely :o) [22:46] aanyway [22:46] Riddell: thank you! [22:46] Riddell: hi, have you tried fixing any of the jockey-kde bugs? [22:46] * nixternal goes and does some quick chores before getting back to bug destruction [22:49] hrm. [22:51] howdy raphink === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger [23:02] <_StefanS_> kwwii: hey [23:02] <_StefanS_> kwwii: you awake? [23:03] <_StefanS_> kwwii: just read the scrollback... seems like some flight delays catched up with you :) [23:03] mhb: I've not really look at it at all === kewark is now known as krawek [23:25] * txwikinger is amused about nixternal's comment to a bug [23:26] txwikinger: the confuzius one? *g* [23:26] the one where the guy told me about opening my mouth or something? [23:27] Nightrose: yep [23:27] oh that one [23:27] lol [23:27] hehe yea that was a good one [23:27] nixternal++ [23:27] link? [23:27] someone used a bug report to document how to compile the kernel for a grub issue or something [23:27] Confuzius confuses many very confused people [23:27] I was like, put it on the wiki not here [23:27] nosrednaekim: sec [23:27] that was for kmahjongg [23:27] yes nixternal [23:28] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kdegames/+bug/181152/comments/5 [23:28] Launchpad bug 181152 in kdegames-kde4 "KMahjongg generates non-solvable boards (at least when pressing shuffle)" [Undecided,Won't fix] [23:28] someone in here said "oh so we should add a gnome-mode to kmahjongg" [23:28] right that one [23:28] hahaha [23:28] :P [23:29] or like a vista mode to Minesweeper (keep the same game next timecause I think I have good short term memory and want to amaze my freinds) [23:29] hahahahah [23:30] * Nightrose had quite a few "interesting" bugs today as well when triaging some amarok bugs [23:31] !info lmms (hardy) [23:31] lmms (source: lmms): Linux Multimedia Studio. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 2529 kB, installed size 6428 kB [23:31] !info lmms (gutsy) [23:31] lmms (source: lmms): Linux Multimedia Studio. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 2525 kB, installed size 6436 kB [23:31] my freind is singing that app's praises right now ^^ [23:32] nixternal» hahaha.... [23:46] who's buying dinner? [23:47] * Nightrose votes for blizzzek [23:47] I think I am going to make me a Chicken Caeser salda with a bit of wine [23:48] ya, I can speeel, salad! [23:48] Yes, we can! [23:49] the question is, should I bread and fry the chicken breast a bit or be totally healthy and broil it? [23:50] * nixternal goes for the unhealthy breaded and fried [23:51] deep-fry nixternal [23:51] * txwikinger has lived far too long in the South :D [23:52] * blizzzek does not participate in this terrible consumption [23:53] blizzzek: vegetarian? [23:53] yepp :) [23:54] * nosrednaekim chops off a chicken's neck in front of blizzzek [23:54] oO [23:54] * nosrednaekim sees its only a rubber chicken [23:54] Ain't chicken vegetable? [23:54] txwikinger: it isn't green, is it? [23:55] blizzzek: still paying for dinner for nixternal and me? ;-) [23:55] well.. you can put spinach in the breading [23:56] * txwikinger goes to breed green chicken [23:56] Nightrose: http://www.comics.com/comics/herman/archive/images/herman2008073346229.jpg [23:57] Oo [23:58] enjoy...