[00:00] <Daviey> Fujitsu: my thought exactly
[00:55] <ubotu> New bug: #196814 in malone "searching for bugs needing forwarding returns one that doesn't" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196814
[02:32] <icculus> Hey, I just wanted to stop in and say that the launchpad translation services are awesome. My project has been available for less than a day and it's already got people working in 13 languages on it. I'm very impressed.
[02:32] <icculus> So if any of the translation crew are around: you guys rule. This was a great idea. Thanks!
[02:49] <USN1520> hello, looking to remove my email from launchpad projects, please help
[02:52] <USN1520> sorry about that, found it in the docs
[02:59] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[03:54] <synic> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/exaile/release-0.2.12/+translations  <-- why does this show that there are no translatable strings?  I uploaded a messages.pot for it
[03:59] <Fujitsu> synic: Has the POT been approved yet?
[03:59] <Fujitsu> Looks like it hasn't.
[03:59] <Fujitsu> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/exaile/release-0.2.12/+imports
[03:59] <synic> I guess not :)  Ok.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> SteveA: ping
[04:51] <Hobbsee> hm, wrong admin.  unping
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #196882 in launchpad "Not obvious how to unsubscribe from launchpad-users@" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196882
[06:22] <Hobbsee> the "unsubscribe" at the bottom of the email isn't clear enough, apparently
[08:18] <carlos> morning
[08:20] <Hobbsee> morning carlos 
[08:23] <mdke> morning carlos 
[08:23] <carlos> mdke: hi, I was not able to handle your request yet
[08:24] <carlos> I hope I will be able to do it today
[08:25] <mdke> carlos: no worries, that will be great. was the email clear enough?
[08:25] <carlos> mdke: I hope ;-)
[08:26] <carlos> at least it looks clear 
[08:26] <mdke> carlos: feel free to send me an email if there are any issues
[08:26] <carlos> I will know it when I start with it :-D
[08:26] <mdke> sure
[08:26] <carlos> mdke: sure
[08:26] <carlos> mdke: btw, do you think there is any way to validate the messages automatically?
[08:26] <carlos> we have the infrastructure in Launchpad to prevent that broken translations are added
[08:27] <carlos> so we just need to tag those messages and execute a validation for it
[08:27] <mdke> carlos: I think it would be quite difficult. unless Lauchpad could check the docbook tags in the original template against the translations
[08:28] <mdke> it would have to have some kind of docbook plugin
[08:28] <mdke> danilos is the guy who should be able to tell you if it's possible
[08:28] <carlos> so the problem is not just with the msgid and msgstr
[08:28] <mdke> he wrote the tool which we use to turn the docbook into a po file and back again
[08:29] <carlos> I mean, if we have all the information in the msgid to validate msgstr, that's doable
[08:29] <mdke> carlos: the problem occurs when translators make spelling errors on tags in the string. so, instead of writing <application>, they write <apllication>
[08:29] <mdke> there is no such tag as <apllication> in docbook, so it breaks the resulting docbook xml file
[08:29] <carlos> ok, that's more or less easy to handle
[08:30] <carlos> we could check that the same tags in msgid appear in msgstr
[08:30] <carlos> would that be enough?
[08:30] <carlos> anyway, if is that kind of errors, danilo should be able to give me that input ;-)
[08:30] <mdke> yes, if some subtelty was added
[08:30] <mdke> so, translators should be able to modify urls inside tags if they want
[08:30] <mdke> so that they can localise links
[08:31] <mdke> but broadly, checking tags would be enough
[08:31] <carlos> mdke: well, the tag is the same, the attributes in that tag would be different
[08:31] <mdke> or at least it would eliminate the vast majority of the errors
[08:31] <mdke> carlos: yes. Although often a problem is that attributes change when they shouldn't ;)
[08:32] <carlos> ok, let's see whether we could start with the tag validation
[08:32] <carlos> and try to fix attributes later
[08:32] <carlos> ;-)
[08:33] <mdke> carlos: that rocks
[08:33] <mdke> I can help with providing details of common errors if you like
[08:34] <mdke> you can probably also fine some in the last 3 or 4 commits to the ubuntu-doc/gutsy branch in my email yesterday
[08:34] <mdke> fine/find
[08:35] <mdke> look for any changes to po files
[08:42] <carlos> mdke: could you file a bug about adding such validator?
[08:43] <carlos> mdke: we still need to schedule that feature
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #196913 in launchpad-bazaar "Cannot lock LockDir(lp--1218658708:///~5-a-day/5-a-day-data/main/.bzr/branchlock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196913
[09:52] <danilos> carlos, mdke: one thing we'd need to have done first is to have xml2po (and maybe intltool in XML mode) set 'xml-format' on such XML strings (it's not hard for xml2po, except that gettext tools would remove them, so we could work around it by checking the file extension to be .xml or .xml.in, but that's not very nice imo)
[09:53] <carlos> danilos: does gettext remove it?
[09:53] <danilos> carlos: yeah, at least some tools do, the last time I checked :(
[09:53] <carlos> danilos: anyway, for us is not a problem
[09:53] <danilos> carlos: maybe not any more, I've had a discussion with Bruno Haible (gettext maintainer) long time ago
[09:53] <carlos> given that the .pot file is the one adding those tags in Launchpa
[09:53] <carlos> Launchpad
[09:54] <danilos> carlos: right
[09:54] <danilos> carlos: (but I'd like this to work with intltool extracted XML files as well :)
[09:55] <carlos> danilos: still, if intltool adds the tag
[09:55] <carlos> is not a problem for us
[09:55] <carlos> :-)
[09:55] <danilos> carlos: intltool can't add the tag because it leaves actual extraction to xgettext
[09:56] <carlos> hmmm, right, intltool creates a .h file, I forgot that...
[09:56] <danilos> carlos: I think using extension would work for now though, what do you think?
[09:56]  * danilos restarts skype :)
[09:57] <carlos> danilos: sure, that should also work
[10:34] <HighNo> Hi there, how long should svn imports from sourceforge need?
[10:36] <HighNo> I registered my project with launchpad (blueproximity) and want to import the source from sourceforge's svn repository. It takes about two weeks now...
[10:52] <HighNo> I hope this answer does not take as long as the import... :-)
[11:03] <HighNo> Can anybody help me please at least to tell me if I am doing something wrong here?
[11:08] <lifeless> HighNo: did you file a question on launchpad?
[11:10] <HighNo> lifeless: no, should I?
[11:10] <lifeless> HighNo: yes, the documentation for getting imports says to :)
[11:10] <HighNo> lifeless: ok, just an ordinary question or a bug?
[11:11] <lifeless> https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/BranchImports
[11:11] <lifeless> please read that :)
[11:11] <HighNo> lifeless: thanks
[12:42] <muszek> hi
[12:43] <muszek> I found a bug @ launchpad that my machine suffers from (using hardy).  The status was changed to "fix commited" yesterday @ 20:24... I have fresh packages and rebooted after upgrading (it's related to kernel)... but the bug still exists.  Is there some regular lag from "fix released" to "released to users"?
[12:43] <muszek> I'm not quite sure which timezone that 20:24 is from
[12:50] <Hobbsee> muszek: it gets fixed in the development release.
[12:50] <muszek> Hobbsee: I am using dev release (hardy)
[12:51] <muszek> all I'm asking is: does this bug still exist in my case because it hasn't really been fixed or is it just it takes time from "fix commited" to "I get fixed packages via apt-get"
[12:52] <Hobbsee> muszek: fix committed != fix released
[12:52] <Hobbsee> (which bug?)
[12:55] <muszek> Hobbsee: that answered my question, thanks :).  it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/190475
[12:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190475 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 "iwl3945 produces a lot of error messages in syslog" [Medium,Fix committed]  - Assigned to Tim Gardner (timg-tpi)
[12:56] <muszek> a lot = ~3GB daily in my case
[12:56] <Hobbsee> muszek: committed is "there is a patch"
[12:56] <Hobbsee> muszek: release is "it's in the archive"
[12:56] <muszek> yeah, now I get it (sorry, I'm not familiar with those dev processes)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> no problem
[13:46] <HighNo> hm, does anyone know how to 'invite' translators from the official translation groups to translate your package?
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #196997 in blueprint "blueprint registration page should have more explanation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196997
[14:27] <wbrady> I'm still looking for some help with question #25833 and #25435 in launchpad itself if anybody can help
[14:29] <matsubara> wbrady: kiko will take a look on those next week
[14:30] <matsubara> wbrady: kiko is one of the LP admins.
[14:30] <matsubara> wbrady: also it helps getting an answer if you outline the questions here instead of only giving the numbers.
[14:33] <wbrady> matsubara: so I should discuss my two questions here?
[14:37] <wbrady> question #25833 is just asking to remove the group intro+to+it+developers
[14:37] <matsubara> wbrady: I've assigned your question about the super-project to kiko. He can take care of it, but only next week.
[14:38] <wbrady> question #25435 is asking to make the project intro2it a super-project and I included 2 projects that would be sub-projects
[14:38] <wbrady> ok
[14:38] <matsubara> wbrady: I'm asking another LP admin to take care of removing the intro+to+it+developers team
[14:38] <wbrady> thank you
[15:18] <HighNo> Hm, I'm having a strange behaviour with rosetta: I uploaded a translation, get the import mail with the correct number of entries but the translation does not show up in launchpad - it still shows an old version...
[15:18] <HighNo> did that twice already
[15:31] <Ubulette> I can no longer push/pull my brz branched using bzr+ssh:// uri, is this a known issue ?
[15:40] <mattva01> hey is anyone else having trouble with doing a bzr push to launchpad
[15:40] <HighNo> mattva01: yes, Ubulette
[15:41] <matsubara> Ubulette: what's the error?
[15:41] <poolie> bazaar.launchpad.net is down; it's being addressed urgently
[15:41] <Ubulette> timeout after a long while
[15:42] <Ubulette> ix:~/bzr/mozclient.dev$ bzr pull
[15:42] <Ubulette> Using saved location: bzr+ssh://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient.dev/
[15:42] <Ubulette> ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
[15:42] <Ubulette> Connection closed by 91.189.94.254
[15:42] <Ubulette> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[15:42] <poolie> Ubulette: the machine is having trouble
[15:42] <poolie> it will be back as soon as we can 
[15:42] <Ubulette> oh; ok :)
[15:42] <poolie> sorry
[15:42] <matsubara> thanks poolie 
[15:44] <poolie> matsubara: can you change the topic or something?
[15:44] <poolie> mrevell: ping?
[15:44] <mrevell> hi poolie
[15:45]  * mrevell reads up
[15:45] <poolie> mrevell: is there any way to make a service announcement about this?
[15:46] <mrevell> poolie: I can write a blog post and a launchpad-users post right now. I think anything in the LP UI itself would require a cherrypick.
[15:47] <poolie> :-/
[15:47] <poolie> i don't think they're necessary unless this takes a while to fix
[15:47] <poolie> it's back now
[15:48] <poolie> !!!
[15:48] <poolie> wtg lifeless
[15:50] <mrevell> Ah, cool.
[15:50]  * mrevell disengages announcement-helmet
[15:53] <Ubulette> thanks
[15:56] <poolie> mrevell: however, i really think you need a faster way to do such things on the site
[15:56] <poolie> squeaky wheel me
[15:56] <mrevell> poolie:  I agree. I'm pretty sure we have a bug report. Let me check the latest status.
[16:05] <tdoggette> I'm a dev for GASP, a Launchpad featured project. We just redid the branding, and were wondering if the link on the featured list could be changed from launchpad.net/gasp-code (the location of the API) to launchpad.net/gasp (our superproject).
[16:07] <mrevell> poolie: We have two related bugs and two related blueprints (whats-new and system-status-page) but nothing that quite matches what we want. So, I've filed a new bug 197029
[16:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197029 in launchpad "Announcements in UI without code roll-out or cherry pick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197029
[16:08] <mrevell> Kiko are you able to change the link for GASP in the featured projects list as per tdoggette's request above?
[16:15] <ubotu> New bug: #197029 in launchpad "Announcements in UI without code roll-out or cherry pick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197029
[17:39] <wbrady> matsubara: thanks for answering the question about deleting the group
[17:40] <matsubara> wbrady: thanks to herb :-)
[17:40] <wbrady> herb: thank you too
[18:04] <ffm> wbrady: you there?
[18:04] <wbrady> ffm: yes
[18:05] <ffm> wbrady: An admin will look over your superproject request by monday.
[18:05] <wbrady> awesome
[18:05] <ffm> wbrady: and the introtoit old group will be deleted.
[18:05] <wbrady> it has already been deleted
[18:05] <wbrady> matsubara and herb helped me with it earlier today
[18:05] <ffm> wbrady: mhm. I asked in irc yesterdat,
[18:05] <ffm> day
[18:06] <wbrady> thank you
[18:06] <ffm> wbrady: np.
[18:15] <Ubulette> Is bazaar.launchpad.net broken once again ? I have a push frozen
[18:17] <Ubulette> poolie, ^^
[18:21] <lifeless> Ubulette: checking
[18:21] <lifeless> Ubulette: it seems ok to me
[18:21] <lifeless> Ubulette: I suggest giving it a few minutes
[18:23] <matsubara> lifeless: is it ok to remove the notice about bazaar.launchpad.net being down from the topic?
[18:24] <lifeless> matsubara: oh sure
[18:24] <lifeless> matsubara: didn't realise it was there.
[18:26] <Ubulette> lifeless, ok, i had to interrupt it, it works now.
[20:27] <jcastro> kiko_: you can rename gc -> do if you want. upstream would like that
[20:28] <kiko_> jcastro, so, not gnome-do?
[20:29] <jcastro> kiko: no, just do.
[20:29] <jcastro> he might drop the "gnome" part
[20:29] <jcastro> so this is more future proof
[20:30] <kiko> jcastro, "do" is kinda a bad name (think google)
[20:30] <jcastro> ok, let me ask him
[20:31] <jcastro> kiko: he's pretty sold on just "do"
[20:32]  * kiko shrugs
[20:32] <jcastro> cool, thanks!
[20:32] <kiko> he should think more about it
[20:32] <kiko> not even gdo?
[20:32] <jcastro> heh, I'll ask
[20:35] <mdke> carlos_: ok, will file a bug about it some time
[20:39] <kiko> jcastro, https://edge.launchpad.net/do, but I do think it's a bad name
[20:39] <kiko> and that's it!
[20:39] <jcastro> kiko: yeah he's set on it
[20:40] <jcastro> thanks though. 
[20:40]  * jcastro throws a dollar in the tip jar
[20:45] <tormod> hi, I got a "chroot" error on a PPA build. Is this a known issue? Will the build be restarted automatically?
[20:53] <HighNo> Can anybody help me with a broken translation import - launchpad does not import it though I get the success mail...
[21:49] <jcastro> statik: around?
[21:50] <statik> jcastro: nope, I'm at Future of Web Apps in Miami right now, listening to Kevin Marks from google and simultaneously trying to fork gTwitter
[21:50] <jcastro> http://ethos.battleaxe.net/~jorge/launchpad-do.ogg
[21:50] <jcastro> file that away for later.
[21:50] <statik> cool
[21:50] <jcastro> also, try gwibber, he just moved it to launchpad
[21:50] <statik> ooh, thanks for the tip
[22:04] <mdke> is there any plan to have commits to Launchpad branches which are registered under a product series automatically fix bugs with a certain syntax in the commit message? A bit like with the Ubuntu uploads?
[22:04] <mdke> at least, "fix committed"