[00:01] the new theme looks pretty cool [00:01] * jdong backports it [00:02] Because running Hardy is pointless if you can just backport the lot? [00:02] StevenK: not nearly enough is backported to draw that comparison :) [00:04] jdong: Heh. [00:28] <_MMA_> jdong: I wouldnt backport it yet as it still needs some work. [00:29] _MMA_: only personally for now [00:29] I just wanted it on my gutsy machine [00:29] call it greed [00:29] <_MMA_> Sure. [00:29] * StevenK is content to wait. [00:36] and what is about my bug report? [00:36] well be fix it? === jelmer_ is now known as jelmer [01:17] Should a package remove obsolete config files when it get's upgraded? They seem to stay in /etc and get listed as "obsolete" in "dpkg -s". [01:18] oops.. I've meant to ask in #ubuntu-motu.. === greeneggsnospam is now known as jsgotangco === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [03:30] * Hobbsee waves [03:30] can some admin ban the spammers at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/search?ordering=new [03:30] they are screwing up the site [03:31] Heya Hobbsee! [03:31] hey RAOF! [03:31] Heya Hobbsee [03:31] * Hobbsee deals with gio. [03:31] * TheMuso waves to RAOF and Hobbsee. [03:31] With a hammer? [03:32] And a howdie to you too, TheMuso. [03:32] Hmmm. Spammers messing up a site where users come up with work they think we should do... Bug or feature? [03:32] Heh. [03:33] I was thinking a bit about that. [03:33] It should have been tied to Launchpad User IDs. [03:33] IMO [03:33] Oddly enough Ubuntu is the distro where I have to agree to play nice and Debian is the distro where I have to agree to care about the users. [03:37] hi TheMuso [03:37] TheMuso: I was advised that it will be soon. [03:37] RAOF: no, not really. trouble is, i have conflicting dates on when my rego was *actually* cancelled. [03:38] so they want a fax, etc, etc, etc. nyah nyah nyah. [03:39] Hobbsee: Aaaah. gio, not gio :) [03:39] RAOF: which were you thinking of? [03:39] GIO, the new gnome IO subsystem. [03:39] * Fujitsu initially thought of the GVFS-related GIO. [03:39] That one. [03:39] Since we are, after all, in #ubuntu-devel :) [03:40] Not #cars-are-expensive [03:40] Haha [03:40] RAOF: oh. [03:40] :P [03:40] no, this is #Hobbsee-hates-making-phone-calls-that-are-overdue [04:06] blink? [04:06] Netsplit? [04:07] oh [04:07] was about to say - i shouldnt' be timing out from there [04:08] hurrah. done my 5 today. [04:08] * mpt applauds [04:08] should have got the spangly new code to do with it, though [04:13] ScottK: nuked one of yours (can't reproduce) [04:16] Hmmm. Looks for bugmail. [04:17] ScottK: get-build-deps on !bash [04:17] Ah [04:17] I think he fixed that one. [04:18] It's OK. I filed 10 bugs on ubuntu-dev-tools in one day. Even if one falls out, I'm still well over 5. [04:18] heh [04:18] heh [04:18] I thought it was fix 5, not file 5 [04:19] if you file 5, you have to fix 10. [04:19] Heh [04:19] If people would stop uploading without thinking, I'd be fixing, not filing. [04:19] bah. bzr curled up it's toes and died. [04:19] Oh? [04:19] bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(lp--1217675668:///~5-a-day/5-a-day-data/main/.bzr/branchlock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport [04:19] bzr failed with error code 768 [04:19] Delete the checkout and re-checkout, I think [04:19] Hobbsee: That looks like you're trying to push to an http branch? [04:20] My favorite ubuntu-dev-tools bug was that the AUTHORS file was executable. [04:20] RAOF: no idea. i'm just using whta's in haryd [04:20] ScottK2: What did it do when you executed it? :-P [04:20] It wouldn't have done anything much, but I didn't execute it. [04:20] It's just symptomatic of a lack of care. [04:20] How does that happen? [04:21] I often chmod +x random files. Surely you do too? :? [04:22] I'm on a different tack now anyway. I'm going to see how well I survive without ever logging into LP. [04:22] I should learn the mail-based LP interface, yeah. [04:23] Well I'm seriously looking at Lenny right now. I've pretty well had it up to my eyeballs with LP for a while. [04:24] oh, meh. it doesn't create ~/.5-a-day-data, so dies [04:24] and then still dies [04:25] ScottK2: so be producive, and find ways of diong ubuntu without LP [04:26] Hobbsee: I'm planning on it. I've been looking into actually teaching bughelper to report Ubuntu bugs instead of just whining to a mailing list. [04:26] that'd be handy [04:27] I think all the relevant bits of code exist, it's just a matter of pulling them together. [04:30] The other thing is that Lenny with KDE 3.5.9 may be a better desktop for my than the Ibex. [04:31] I'm still waiting for a reassuring answer to my comment on kubuntu-devel ML about us being over a year away from a stable/reliable kde4pim. [04:31] * ScottK2 goes back to filing klamav bugs with upstream. [04:33] Wow, over a year? How does that happen? [04:33] It's like this... [04:33] KDE4.0 - No kdepim for kde4. [04:33] KDE4.1 - Initial kdepim port to qt4 [04:33] kubuntu will carry kde 3.5.9 [04:34] KDE4.2 - Initial integration with the new Akdondi data engine back end [04:34] KDE4.3 - I figure this is the first shot at a stable/reliable one. [04:34] Releases happen every 6 months. [04:35] Hobbsee: True, but how much attention is it going to get? [04:35] Unless the Debian KDE people pull a miracle out of their hats Lenny will release with 3.5.9 and KDE4 will stay in experimental. [04:36] but don't we get whatever work Debian does? [04:37] Probably. Assuming someone does the merges. [04:37] I'm not saying which way I'm going. I've not decided. It's just that I'm looking into it. [04:39] speaking of KDE, any kubuntu folks want to rebuild kdebase-workspace for libxklavier12? [04:39] ScottK2: how much is gnome going to get? [04:39] What is from my perspective declining usability in our main tool set and developers that don't care is my main concern. [04:39] slangasek: i;ll do it [04:39] Hobbsee: I've no idea. [04:40] Hobbsee: cheers; fyi, there's a dep and a build-dep that each need changed [04:41] come on, pull faster tahn 700 kbps. [04:41] er, kBps [04:41] The straw that broke the camel's back today was finding out after a long disucssion about a bug that it was known before the last LP release and neither documented nor fixed. [04:42] that happesn for a lot of bugs. [04:42] just watch a few that get marked for critical cherry picking, after sitting there for 3 months. i find that sadly amusing. [04:42] You would think if being able to include attachments in new email bug reports was being announced as a major feature it would actually work (or at least have it's limitations documented) [04:43] not really. i'm afraid i've seen a little too much of launchpad to expect such things. [04:43] especially after seeing ppa release without a delete function, for months. [04:43] Everyone over there claims it's getting better, but I don't see it. [04:44] it is. it's getting more code, more features, and more bugs. [04:44] I'm also seeing more and more replies along the lines of "we know it's not ideal, but that's what sabdfl said he wanted. nothing to do about it." [04:45] * Hobbsee suspects a lot of companies operate around "it's because the boss said so" [04:45] is a ubuntu qa password different than lp or the wiki? [04:45] Yes. [04:45] fun [04:45] that being said, with all their time, and all their features, and all their new people, i would have hoped for better QA - which, at least for some parts, hasn't happened. [04:45] Hobbsee: But very few FOSS projects do. [04:45] ScottK2: and launchpad is not FOSS. [04:46] Exactly. [04:46] So I'm not going to play free QA for them any more. [04:47] i'm actually not sure how much their "free QA", as it were, is helping them, seeing as they appear to get important bugs filed, then either ignore, or not understand the importance to people in the real world (or class them as not important) [04:47] and yet do very little with them [04:48] Hobbsee: actually, im not certain a delete feature is a good idea. technically the gpl requires you to provide the source code to people for some number of months after distribution, upon request [04:48] Yes. Even more encouragement to quit. [04:49] pwnguin: ah yes - now i'm waiting for that bug to hit critical status, but it doesn't mention that it's violating the gpl, and kiko has already said "oh please...", so i'm guessing it will take a few more months, and a few more people going "uh...." [04:49] pwnguin: feel free to comment about the violation on the bug. [04:49] Hobbsee: I'm not sure that's a very fair assessment [04:49] pwnguin: but it's nice to actually have control over the binaries that are ther.e [04:49] there's certainly a lot of improvements that need to be made [04:49] but there are a lot of bugs getting fixed [04:50] and we certainly don't do much better with our bugs [04:50] LaserJock: how do you disagree? i'll freely admit, iv'e seen more improvements in some areas than others, and i suspect i'm seeing some of the worse ends of LP, as most outside people don't see them [04:50] yeah well. i have various things to say about that too. [04:50] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/196859 <-- please notify admin asap, site is under spam attack [04:50] Launchpad bug 196859 in ubuntu "Brainstorm is susceptible to spam" [Undecided,Invalid] [04:50] LP has a lot of functionality and is quite usable, not perfect, but it gets the job done [04:51] ionstorm: they're not awake. [04:51] LaserJock: But it's getting worse not better. [04:51] ScottK2: I wouldn't say that [04:51] ionstorm: oh, that admin [04:52] there are some regressions here and there for sure [04:52] Hobbsee, we need to wake them [04:52] no doubt [04:52] view http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/search?ordering=new [04:52] Personally I think the web site U/I peaked just before the beta and it's been getting more complex and less usable since. [04:52] ionstorm: good luck in finding people who work for canonical at this time of day [04:52] but they've also made progress [04:52] they are massively spam attacking them [04:52] StevenK: can you call someone? [04:52] well canonical needs to be on irc [04:52] LaserJock: Sure. It's some good and some bad. IMO the balance is to the bad. [04:53] stgraber: ping? [04:53] ionstorm: someone needs to not sleep, yeah [04:53] hrm. i wonder if i can delete thru here [04:54] no, i can only edit [04:54] how useful [04:56] yes! it's even worse than LP, in that you can't clear a dupe! [04:57] ionstorm: you'll need someone on https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel [04:57] * mpt works for Canonical [04:58] mpt: But you live on a sane side of the world at the moment. [04:58] mpt: oh, i forgot to specify "who could do something about it" [04:58] So you're not someone that we're looking for, as they're logically going to be in the wrong timezone when you need them. [04:58] My side of the world is *always* sane :-P [04:58] unless you'r eoffering calling [04:59] Call someone about what? [04:59] Fujitsu: you mean everyone doesn't operate on UK time? [04:59] mpt: recent backscroll is your friend :) [04:59] Hobbsee: What? Impossible! [04:59] and it relaly helps if i actually increment the changelog [04:59] Oh. [04:59] oh, hee hee [05:00] * ScottK2 finds it help if I upload to Hardy instead of Gutsy (last night anyway). [05:00] hah [05:00] Oh that bastard. [05:00] yeah, that too. i got that one right htough [05:00] Erm, sorry. [05:00] But, the spammer rejecting the bug. [05:00] WTF. [05:00] heh [05:00] Bug was invalid against Ubuntu anyway. [05:01] I can't access the bug report, I get an offline message [05:01] Hm, edge looks dead. [05:01] So do I. [05:01] Try !ege. [05:01] *!edge [05:01] It worked for me a couple of minutes ago :( [05:01] !edge must work, as it redirects me... [05:01] ouch [05:02] This is an example of why I don't think edge should be a separate hostname [05:02] Doesn't the code update run around now? [05:02] It's back now. [05:02] That must have been it. [05:02] BTW, I do find mpt is an exception to my broad generalizations I was making a few minutes ago. [05:03] Well, I confirmed the bug report, but there's not much more I can do at this time of day [05:05] We have yet to learn the lesson of planning for spam before releasing something publicly [05:05] Mhm. [05:05] Hopefully this will be an object lesson [05:05] Hopefully. [05:05] it's too bad it didn't even make it like more than 1 day [05:05] Having some kind of coverage of multiple timezones would be good too. [05:05] Having admins sitting on one side of the world is ++ungood. [05:06] Fujitsu: It's not that. It's the combination of sitting on one side of the world AND letting them sleep that's the problem. [05:06] LaserJock: Slashdot and Digg do that to websites. [05:06] ScottK2: Good point. Canonical needs to sponsor caffeine IVs. [05:06] mpt: i live in hope. [05:06] Hobbsee, I live in a settlement that is actually called Hope [05:07] mpt: it does actually have admins in most timezones, so it is getting better. [05:07] mpt: nevertheless, with a GUI for delete, and a gui for 'mark as spam', that's not overly helpful [05:07] Gaaaah. [05:07] * Fujitsu stabs repeatedly. [05:08] He rejected it. [05:08] * Fujitsu kills. [05:08] hah [05:08] now now Fujitsu. you can't kill people, otherwise people inside and otuside of canonical will whinge about you being heavy handed. [05:08] Apparently this is after "months of planning and development" what was come up with (reading planet). [05:08] ScottK, Launchpad has its problems, but if you say that the pre-1.0 UI was better than the post-1.0 UI, people may have difficulty taking your other issues seriously [05:09] Even Launchpad has beta test phases, whereas this came from nowhere! [05:09] mpt: That's how I find it, but I'm old and I like text. [05:09] The old U/I also worked via my smartphone. New one doesn't. [05:09] * Hobbsee shudders [05:09] I also clicked on the wrong thing a lot less before. [05:09] ScottK2: you ran launchpad over your *smartphone*???? [05:10] I agree the newer one is prettier. [05:10] Hobbsee: I have an all you can use data plan. [05:10] you really are a masochist. how long did the pageloads take? [05:10] Long time. [05:10] i'll bet [05:10] There aren't any LP admins on this side of the world either, are there? [05:10] They take a lot longer now and I can't change stuff, so I quit doing it. [05:10] Yay for status wars. [05:11] Fujitsu: nope [05:11] Fujitsu: You could try to get his account cancelled, but you'll have to warn him, take him in front of some council somewhere, warn him again, and then maybe. [05:11] ScottK2: And that requires an admin. [05:12] He's just done it for the third time. [05:12] Fujitsu: By the time you get the other stuff done, the admin will be awake. [05:12] ScottK2: no you don't. [05:12] ScottK2: for actual spam, they'll nuke it. sometimes they'll try an email first. [05:13] * ScottK2 confesses to engaging in hyperbole and sarcasm. [05:13] really?? [05:13] ;-) [05:14] The part about thinkin LP is getting less and less usable was dead serious though. [05:15] We need a system to vote users out, damnit! [05:16] "Survivor: Ubuntu Edition" [05:17] s/Ubuntu/Launchpad/ [05:20] ScottK, does your phone browser try to do Launchpad's multi-column CSS layout? [05:20] mpt: Yes. [05:20] I think [05:20] Let me try it. [05:21] non-Opera/iPhone browsers are often execrably bad at CSS [05:21] It's a Palm Treo 600, so it's not precisely obscure. [05:21] Wouldn't suprise me. [05:21] but a phone that ignores CSS altogether should be much happier with post-1.0 Launchpad than with the -ridden pre-1.0 Launchpad. [05:21] Their included mail client qualifies as excerable. [05:22] The thing that got me was the switch to the current approach for the status/importance/etc section. The old one worked. [05:23] hurrah. finally made all the phonecalls for the day. [05:23] ScottK2: This is what the mail interface is for. [05:24] Fujitsu: This is true. There is an alternative, but it's still a regression from my perspective. [05:25] ScottK, if you can send me a screenshot, that might help a lot [05:25] mpt: I'll see if I can figure out how to get a decent one. [05:27] Actually it's gotten a lot worse than the last time I tried it. On a package page I just get the 'table' of releases. I don't even get the tabs to go to the bugs page. [05:28] ScottK2: Oh, people use the tabs? [05:28] Fujitsu: I don't usually. I usually type in the urls on my computers, but on the phone it's a bit harder. [05:28] Ah, true. [05:29] * lamont uses the tabs [05:29] much easier that remembering the magic hidden URLs for stuff [05:29] Fujitsu: Alternative answer is: No. That's why clicking on the package name in the status section of a bug now takes to you the package page instead of giving you the chance to change the affected package. [05:29] so I don't even bother trying to remember even the simple ones [05:29] And it can't be changed. [05:29] * Hobbsee has aliases [05:30] * ScottK2 doesn't remember them either. The browser knows where I've been before. [05:30] Hobbsee: I have an alias for getting to a source package (which still has /distros in it, iirc), and maybe an lpbug alias [05:30] lamont: pity the url's aren't always shown on the gui [05:30] yeah [05:31] I just type the urls by hand mostly [05:31] * ScottK2 needs to get to bed. Good night all. [05:31] * Fujitsu does the same as LaserJock. [05:31] Night ScottK2. [05:32] * StevenK has an alias for source package, person and bug [06:34] hrm. how do i get firefox-2 to work? [06:38] loading that, i appear to get firefox3, as usual [06:39] is there a separate .desktop? [06:39] i was using the terminal [06:39] ie, sarah@saturn:~% /usr/bin/firefox-2 5:39PM [06:48] Good morning [06:49] Morning pitti [06:50] jdstrand: nut bzr> thanks [06:54] morning pitti [06:54] Good morning [06:54] hey Hobbsee! [06:54] moin StevenK [06:55] bon giorno warp10 [06:55] morgen pitti! [06:55] hiya pitti [07:22] slangasek, according to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/mythbuntu/hardy/daily-20080229.log the ISO generated, but it looks like some error with the md5sum template that may be out of my control? [07:25] oh nvm, just took a sec to show up on cdimages.ubuntu.com [07:26] ok :) === hunger_t is now known as hunger === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:10] superm1: ping? [08:10] (nothing urgent) [08:12] pitti: you remember we do that thing in ubuntu-docs where translations that are less than 40% don't get included? I'm just working on updating translations in the gutsy package; can I drop that a bit now that iso space is no longer a consideration? [08:15] hi [08:18] hello seb128 [08:18] hi kagou [08:19] hey dholbach [08:19] good morning [08:19] hi seb128 [08:19] morning seb128 [08:20] hey dholbach [08:20] dholbach: your shiny is borken :( [08:20] hey Hobbsee [08:20] hi kagou, hi Hobbsee [08:20] shiny? [08:20] dholbach: http://pastebin.ca/923001 [08:20] morning dholbach [08:20] hi mdke [08:21] Hobbsee: seems we need to transition it from "all commit to one branch" to "everybody commits to their own branch" [08:21] dholbach: i'm just doing some updates for the gutsy package of ubuntu-docs, with updated translations. Is it appropriate for me to remove the packaging guide from that, or do we just do that in hardy and going forward? [08:21] mdke: it'll make it still quite ugly to read, and CDs are still full, as always [08:21] that'll make statistics a bit hairy, but it'll fix the issues [08:21] dholbach: what's the problem with all committing to one branch? [08:21] mdke: I'd just do it in hardy and keep the changes to gutsy as small as possible [08:21] pitti: are CDs still being regenerated for gutsy? [08:21] also, it doesnt' seem to create the ~/.5-a-day-data [08:21] dholbach: fine, thanks [08:22] Hobbsee: it should run bzr checkout [08:22] at least it did for a lot of other people :) [08:22] dholbach: this is a stock install of it. no changes. [08:23] can you move .5-a-day-data away and try to run add-5-a-day 194631 190050 150577 140612 178903 196786 again? [08:23] and paste the output? [08:26] dholbach: http://rafb.net/p/6xkuJL96.html [08:27] readonly transport? [08:27] do you have the right SSH key in LP? [08:27] yes [08:27] * Hobbsee only has one ssh key. [08:27] hrmhrmhrm [08:28] Have you run "bzr launchpad-login hobbsee"? [08:28] RAOF: nope [08:28] * RAOF presumes that's your lp id. [08:28] dholbach: i get promped for a ssh p/w, and put that in... [08:29] RAOF: same problem after doing so [08:29] There goes my guess :) [08:31] Hobbsee: where's the 'hobbsee' file? [08:31] is it in ~/.5-a-day-data/? [08:31] pitti: steve gave his ack to the dbus update ;-) [08:31] seb128: oh? didn't see it by mail [08:32] sarah@saturn:~/.5-a-day-data% ls -la hobbsee 7:32PM [08:32] -rw-r--r-- 1 sarah sarah 204 2008-02-29 19:28 hobbsee [08:32] dholbach: so, yes [08:32] pitti: he added a comment on the bug some hours ago [08:32] Hobbsee: but the branch seems to be in ~/.5-a-day-data/main ? [08:32] seb128: ah, indeed! /me uploads [08:33] pitti: danke [08:34] ah no, nevermind [08:34] Hobbsee: what happens if you run cd ~/.5-a-day-data; bzr update; bzr commit -m "updated log for 'hobbsee'" ? [08:35] if that makes it work,we should look into splitting up the branch quickly :) [08:35] dholbach: same problem on that commit [08:35] dholbach: you mean bzr doesn't handle big things? [08:36] Hobbsee: no, if lots of people hammer the same branch, you can always get out of sync in a few seconds :) [08:36] dholbach: right, but this has happened multiple times today? :) [08:37] morning pitti, seb128, dholbach and Hobbsee [08:37] hi glatzor [08:37] hi glatzor [08:38] morning glatzor! [08:41] hi glatzor [08:47] Hobbsee: can you pastebin bzr info -v somewhere? [08:48] dholbach: http://rafb.net/p/LKucRO74.html [08:53] Hobbsee: dholbach: as a workaround, hobbsee should be able to "bzr switch sftp://hobbsee@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7E5-a-day/5-a-day-data/main/" [08:54] Hobbsee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/196913 [08:54] Launchpad bug 196913 in launchpad-bazaar "Cannot lock LockDir(lp--1218658708:///~5-a-day/5-a-day-data/main/.bzr/branchlock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport" [Undecided,New] [08:55] hey mvo [08:55] hey dholbach! [08:55] hello mvo! [08:55] mvo: back to germany? [08:56] hey mvo, welcome back [08:56] pitti: yeah, thanks :) [08:56] seb128: yes, arrived last night (later, flight was slightly delayed) [08:56] * seb128 hugs mvo [08:56] dholbach: btw, suggestion: could update-signature do a 'bzr update ~/.5-a-day-data/'? [08:57] dholbach: so that I can call it on all my machines [08:57] * mvo hugs seb128 dholbach pitti [08:57] dholbach: could you namespace update-signate btw? 5aday-update-signature or something? [08:58] pitti: bug 196914 [08:58] Launchpad bug 196914 in five-a-day " dholbach: btw, suggestion: could update-signature do a 'bzr update ~/.5-a-day-data/'?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196914 [08:59] dholbach: wow, do you have an irc2lpbug script? :) [08:59] seb128: bug 196915 [08:59] Launchpad bug 196915 in five-a-day " dholbach: could you namespace update-signate btw? 5aday-update-signature or something?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196915 [08:59] * seb128 hugs dholbach [09:00] pitti: no, I'm just quick today [09:00] no time until end of next week to hack on 5-a-day stuff though [09:00] dholbach: that's like inbox handling, do it now and switch to something else? ;-) [09:00] so if somebody else wants to get started on those bugs.... :) [09:00] seb128: ah, I know why I didn't get bug mail for the dbus FF request, ubuntu-release wasn't sub'ed [09:01] pitti: I did! [09:01] seb128: ah, so slangasek unsub'ed ubuntu-release after ack'ing apparently [09:01] likely [09:01] * dholbach -> dogwalk [09:01] that's annoying you don't get a bug in such cases [09:01] a mail rather [09:01] that's the same when somebody reassign a bug to an another package [09:02] you have mails about the bug [09:02] but nothing suggesting it has been moved on somebody's else plate [09:17] * pitti hugs seb128 [09:21] seb128: I just put my wife's new audio CD into the CD-ROM drive [09:21] seb128: RB popped up, offered me a button "copy into music collection" [09:21] and did all the rest [09:22] pitti: yes, it's the only way I see to manage our queue of FFes [09:22] pitti: nice ;-) [09:22] (unsubbing u-release, that is) [09:22] this is *sooo* mindbogglingly well integrated!! [09:22] slangasek: right, I understand [09:23] seb128: I noticed that g-v-m also started sound-juicer; I think it should stop doing that then? [09:23] (and do we still need s-j at all? [09:23] Keybuk: ^ WDYT? [09:23] pitti: I though we dropped this tab, from gvm? [09:24] seb128: not for playing audio CDs, that's still s-j [09:24] pitti: oh, I though you used the fedora patch I pointed to you some time ago which masks the tab [09:24] oh, did you? I just disabled the gconf keys [09:25] ah, I remember [09:25]