[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #196835 in ubuntu-doc "broken links" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196835
[05:07] <robotgeek> updated this page with information about ssh keys, and the "correct" way to update to a working bzr install in Advanced Methods
[05:07] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Repository
[05:25] <robotgeek> nixternal: updated kde-menus-C.ent file
[05:25] <nixternal> groovy, were there a lot of updates for it?
[05:26] <robotgeek> just 2
[05:26] <nixternal> wow, then jjesse did a good job with that, because he changed everyone of them
[05:26] <nixternal> and I know there were a lot of them
[05:26] <robotgeek> yup, he got to them before i did. he did a good job
[05:27] <j1mc> go jjesse
[05:27] <nixternal> finally, vbox on hardy amd64
[05:28] <robotgeek> nixternal: how else can i help?
[05:29] <nixternal> umm, I really don't know yet..I haven't had a chance to really look at the docs...you could go through and see if there needs to be anything added or removed...maybe pick one document and then get it all setup for kde4
[05:30] <nixternal> that's what I was thinking of doing..just grab one of the documents and see what pertains to KDE 4, change stuff, add stuff, remove stuff and so on
[05:31] <robotgeek> nixternal: okay. will do, as soon as i get the live cd downloaded
[05:36] <nixternal> good deal
[05:37] <j1mc> nixternal: all my docs validate now.  now i need to make them less crappy.
[05:37] <j1mc> s/my/our
[05:37] <nixternal> hehe, that is the easy part
[05:37] <j1mc> the less crappy, or the validate?
[05:37] <nixternal> the less crappy
[05:37] <j1mc> heh.
[05:37] <nixternal> you did the hard part
[05:39] <j1mc> :)
[08:10] <mdke> morning all
[08:11] <dencrypt> morning
[08:13] <nixternal> morning mdke, long time no see :)
[08:15] <mdke> nixternal: hi, how's it going?
[08:15] <nixternal> not to shabby, how about yourself?
[08:17] <mdke> very well thanks
[22:52] <dencrypt> give me something to do.
[22:52] <dencrypt> :)
[22:54] <sommer> run around the block
[22:54] <sommer> :-)
[22:55] <sommer> dencrypt: any interest in server?
[22:55] <dencrypt> I run a 7.10 server
[22:55] <dencrypt> in my clauset :)
[22:56] <sommer> cool, one thing that needs doing before String Freeze is to read through the Server Guide and make sure all the commands work
[22:56] <sommer> basically double check that the package names and path names are correct
[22:56] <sommer> for instance I believe the current PostgreSQL section lists version 8.2 and 8.3 is released with hardy
[22:57] <sommer> small things like that are a great way to get started
[22:58] <mdke> there are a few bugs open on the server guide still which can be fixed too
[22:58] <sommer> mdke: what's happenin
[22:59] <mdke> hmm?
[22:59] <sommer> just saying hi
[22:59] <mdke> ah, hi
[23:01] <dencrypt> I will take a look and see if it's something I can manage. :)
[23:01] <dencrypt> Any links to those bugs? launchpad?
[23:01] <mdke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs
[23:02] <mdke> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc
[23:02] <mdke> whoops, remove "edge" from that last one, if you don't use it
[23:02] <mdke> have a sift through the two lists on those pages and see if you find something you like
[23:04] <dencrypt> confirmed. :) Perfect. A project without time-pressure. wooo :D
[23:04] <dencrypt> Gotta get to sleep now. cya.
[23:05] <mdke> night
[23:05] <mdke> on the time pressures, our string freeze is on 20 March, so there are some :)
[23:06] <dencrypt> well, I only work 80% så I have plenty time.
[23:06] <dencrypt> :)
[23:06] <sommer> mdke: on the generic/server question, that I totally messed up, I'm all for maintaining the one directory
[23:06] <sommer> until you brought it up I thought they were the same :-)
[23:07] <mdke> sommer: ok, thanks
[23:07] <mdke> sommer: one more question for you since you're here
[23:07] <sommer> sure
[23:07] <mdke> there appears to be a stray directory in generic/server/c (as opposed to "C")
[23:08] <mdke> i didn't want to delete it since there is some content in there (mail.xml)
[23:08] <mdke> any ideas what that is?
[23:08] <sommer> ya, I believe that was a mistake by jjesse... made because I asked him to review the new section
[23:08] <sommer> it was right after I was given commit access
[23:09] <sommer> I can clean that up if you want
[23:09] <mdke> can it be safely deleted or is there material there which isn't also in C/mail.xml?
[23:09] <sommer> yep, it can be removed... the content should actually be older than C/
[23:10] <mdke> i'll do that
[23:10] <sommer> cool, thanks
[23:35] <mdke> sommer: is the question of how/whether the serverguide will be included in the server edition going to be resolved soon?
[23:36] <sommer> mdke: heh... I'm not entirely sure
[23:36] <sommer> I'd say not at this point
[23:37] <sommer> I asked at the last server meeting about the motd bug, and since FF is past that one probably won't be solved
[23:37] <sommer> at least for Hardy
[23:37] <sommer> and the serverguide install question, I think has been postponed as well
[23:38] <mdke> sommer: geez
[23:38] <sommer> my take is that the amount of work at this point out weighs the importance of installing it by default
[23:38] <sommer> since it's already on the CD, just not installed
[23:39] <mdke> no one will install it if it isn't brought to their attention
[23:39] <mdke> it should clearly be installed by default... I find it astonishing that it isn't
[23:39] <mdke> oh well
[23:40] <sommer> for me as long as the content is availabe some how, I'm satisfied
[23:40] <sommer> but I look at the net first ;-)
[23:40] <mdke> that's only half the battle though; you need people to be aware of the existence of the content in order to be able to look at it
[23:41] <mdke> the net is all well and good, but people might not realise there is a comprehensive guide to their server system there either
[23:41] <mdke> I would have thought it's trivial to add something to a default server motd
[23:41] <sommer> sure, but I think the google page rank bug will help that
[23:41] <sommer> heh... me too, but I think if we should have added it a while back
[23:42] <mdke> not completely; people will still need to know that the guide exists in order to google it
[23:43] <mdke> otherwise they will just google what they need (like "apache Ubuntu"
[23:43] <sommer> that's exaclty how I do it, usually "ubuntu apache" though
[23:43] <sommer> if the first link when they do that is the official docs we'll be home free
[23:44] <mdke> I have some doubt about that
[23:44] <sommer> if it's possible?
[23:45] <sommer> that's my question anyway
[23:45] <mdke> well yes, because searches like that don't necessarily only turn up documentation
[23:45] <sommer> ya, I'm hoping for the first link though
[23:45] <sommer> or the first link for "hardy apache"
[23:46] <sommer> but I see where you're coming from... I'll bring up the motd bug again at the next meeting
[23:46] <mdke> hrm. It would be so easy just to install the package by default
[23:47] <mdke> and the motd, as you say
[23:47] <sommer> I think that's the issue though, it's not easy?
[23:47] <mdke> bah
[23:47] <mdke> people can do anything with technology
[23:47] <sommer> hehheheh
[23:47] <sommer> true
[23:47] <mdke> installing a package by default on the server edition just seems so trivial
[23:48] <sommer> I don't think I know enought about how the ISOs are created
[23:48] <mdke> well,you said before that it's already on the cd, so that isn't the issue
[23:48] <mdke> it just needs to be installed
[23:49] <mdke> not that there is any point to having it on the cd if it doesn't get installed
[23:49] <sommer> I think it's more the seed thing... from what I understand server uses the same seed as desktop and tasksel to install additional packages
[23:50] <sommer> if you don't have a network connection you'd need to rely on the CD for additional packages :-)
[23:50] <mdke> a server without a network connection?
[23:50] <mdke> pretty rare I would have thought
[23:50] <sommer> or aren't allowed a network connection...
[23:51] <sommer> internet connection rather, heh
[23:51] <mdke> even that must be immensely rare
[23:51] <mdke> anyway, past my bedtime
[23:51] <mdke> goodnight
[23:51] <sommer> later on, have a good one