[00:22] <asac> Using saved location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient.dev/
[00:22] <asac> Pushed up to revision 64.
[00:26] <Ubulette> you need to update src/Makefile (and README)
[00:26] <asac> Ubulette: well ... not yet active ;)
[00:26] <asac> probably will need a few more checkins
[00:26] <Ubulette> k
[00:34] <Ubulette> mozilla-devscripts was a good idea after all
[00:36] <Ubulette> hmm http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2008/02/platform_tilt.html
[00:36] <Ubulette> "The source to the WK wrappers is not available; the implementations are in a binary blob library that you download with the Webkit sources. It appears the sole purpose of closing the source to this library is to conceal the signatures of the undocumented framework APIs used by Webkit, presumably so that ISVs like us can't use them. "
[00:38] <asac> is that true?
[00:38] <asac> i don't think that debian would have let webkit in if it had binary blobs
[00:38] <asac> ah its mac only
[00:38] <asac> ok
[00:39] <Ubulette> donno if it's mac only or not
[00:41] <asac> Ubulette: how to match all whitespaces in plain grep?
[00:42] <Ubulette> [:space:]
[00:43] <asac> \s ?
[00:43] <asac> ok let me try
[00:43] <asac> doesn't work :(
[00:43] <Ubulette> \s would be perl, not grep
[00:43] <asac> that sucks
[00:44] <asac> whats going on :(
[00:44] <Ubulette> [[:space:]]
[00:44] <Ubulette> fta@ix:~ $ echo "a   b\nab" | grep '[[:space:]]'
[00:44] <Ubulette> a   b
[00:44] <asac>  good
[00:44] <asac> thats better
[00:45] <asac> same for sed?
[00:45] <Ubulette> yes
[00:46] <asac> hmm
[00:46] <asac> not
[00:47] <asac> ok
[00:47] <asac> typo
[00:48] <Ubulette> fta@ix:~ $ echo "a   b\nab" | sed -e 's/[[:space:]][[:space:]]*/+/'
[00:48] <Ubulette> a+b
[00:48] <Ubulette> ab
[00:49] <asac> lol
[00:49] <asac> tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive
[10:48] <asac> Ubulette_: i contacted john a while back. i received a reply yesterday. apparently his health is still pretty bad (internal bleeding) and he needs another surgory that will hopefully fix it
[10:48] <asac> Ubulette_: i thought you would like to know
[10:57] <[reed]> :(
[11:20] <asac> carlos: ok i have written a generic .xpi mangler .mk file for our mozilla builds systems. I will try to hook this into ubufox and firefox-3.0 + xulrunner-1.9 today and provide you with the resulting .xpi files
[11:21] <asac> carlos: do you need something else for your local import to happen? .e.g. like the .changes file of a build?
[11:21] <asac> or can you say: this is xulrunner.po while importing manually?
[11:22] <asac> carlos: further i have acquired scarce resources from the mobile project that will write the .po -> .xpi transformation based on an outlined algorithm
[11:22] <asac> so ... all in all: things move!
[11:28] <carlos> asac: I only need the .xpi files
[11:28] <carlos> because I will do a manual upload
[11:28] <asac> carlos: yes ... i just wondered if the project-id would still be firefox for ubufox?
[11:29] <asac> (like what you pasted yesterday)
[11:29] <carlos> asac: and yes, I can upload the xpi file as many times I want and with as many names I want
[11:29] <asac> if we could get that right for these demo imports it should be enough
[11:29] <carlos> asac: no, for ububox it will be ububox
[11:29] <asac> carlos: good
[11:29] <carlos> or whatever you ask me to be
[11:30] <carlos> asac: it was firefox because I didn't take the time to create an ububox product in my local launchpad
[11:30] <carlos> and reused a firefox one we have around
[11:30] <asac> carlos: my mangler thing is pretty smart ... we could also sort out multiple translations: like en-US.xpi + de-DE.xpi if the install tree ships translations for other languages
[11:30] <asac> would that be of use for auto importing translations?
[11:30] <asac> (some extension packages have translations in the main binary)
[11:30] <carlos> that would be perfect to handle translations for extensions
[11:31] <carlos> that include multiple languages inside the tarball
[11:31] <asac> ok ... not my primary objective, but certainly something we should keep in mind
[11:31] <carlos> asac: I have a question for you. What happen for those translations in the package build?
[11:31] <asac> thats still open ... for now we just do en-US ... in that case it will stay in the package
[11:31] <carlos> remember that if we install them, that will conflict with the one from language packs
[11:31] <asac> later when we do translation exports we should remove them from the package
[11:32] <asac> (but just the translations)
[11:32] <asac> is that ok?
[11:32] <carlos> yes, that would be perfect
[11:32] <asac> carlos: yes. lets for now focus on get the initial use case right
[11:32] <carlos> anyway, we sent a request to Mozilla developers to know whether there is any way to override translations
[11:32] <carlos> so you don't need to remove them from hte package
[11:32] <asac> carlos: you can ask [reed] in this channel
[11:33] <asac> he is our mozilla liason ;)
[11:33] <[reed]> hehe
[11:33] <asac> the one shielding the efficient mozilla devs from stupid questions from ubuntu ;)
[11:33] <carlos> asac: we were talking with Seth Bindernagel who is supposed to forward our questions to someone else
[11:33] <carlos> which I guess may be [reed] ;-)
[11:33] <carlos> [reed]: btw, hi
[11:33] <[reed]> hiya
[11:34] <asac> carlos: maybe try [reed] to get more instanteanous answers or irc nicks suitable for certain kind of questions
[11:34] <asac> i think works better than writing mails
[11:34] <[reed]> so, what's the question?
[11:34] <carlos> I guess :-)
[11:34] <asac> carlos: anyway ... in the long run we don't need this "overwrite translations" feature
[11:35] <asac> the mangler should just remove the translations from the chrome
[11:35] <asac> i think that should be possible. its just one more step
[11:35] <carlos> [reed]: is there any way to have two directories for the same Firefox extension with translations for the same locale?
[11:35] <carlos> so one would be translations that come from the package itself
[11:35] <carlos> and another one with extra translations from Ubuntu language-packs
[11:36] <[reed]> mmm
[11:36] <asac> i think its possible ... but its undefined in which order they are loaded/applied (so you don't know which package wins)
[11:36] <[reed]> yeah, maybe... I'll ask around when people are awake
[11:36] <carlos> asac: yeah, that's what you told me before, just wanted to get a confirmation :-)
[11:36] <carlos> [reed]: cool, thank you
[11:37] <asac> carlos: but if we have the import/export, we won't that anymore, right?
[11:37] <asac> as we can just export everything?
[11:37] <asac> s/won't/won't need/
[11:37] <[reed]> I should just go to bed
[11:38] <[reed]> it's 5:38am
[11:38] <[reed]> hmm
[11:38] <carlos> asac: well, if you keep removing translations on package build, that's ok
[11:38] <[reed]> working on some assembly programs, though
[11:38] <carlos> [reed]: or maybe start waking up and have breakfast :-P
[11:38] <[reed]> lol
[11:38] <asac> haha
[11:38] <asac> [reed]: yeah, take a nap
[11:38] <asac> i know you will be back in 3 hours anyway ;)
[11:38] <[reed]> hah
[11:39] <asac> life is too exciting to sleep that long
[11:39] <[reed]> yay, it's Friday at least
[11:39] <[reed]> weekend
[11:39] <[reed]> woo
[11:39] <carlos> asac: take in mind that you should remove translations only in packages that are in mind. But anyway, nothing that should be done yet in that field
[11:39] <asac> hehe ... i will do lunch now instead
[11:39] <carlos> :-)
[11:40] <asac> carlos: he? yes. we enable the translation support on a per package basis. if a package is not translated by launchpad, we just don't do any mangling for it
[11:40] <[reed]> I do wish launchpad didn't dominate my Google search results
[11:40] <[reed]> hmmz
[11:40] <carlos> asac: cool
[11:40] <asac> ubuntu community is *HUGE*
[11:41] <asac> i mean really huge. if you have an issue for windows you usually end up in ubuntuforums.org :) ... thats what a friend told me who uses XP
[11:41] <[reed]> no, I mean if you search for "Reed Loden", you get tons of launchpad results
[11:41] <[reed]> lol
[11:41] <[reed]> I'm not even that active on launchpad!
[11:41] <asac> haha ... how did you get your name into launchpad?
[11:42] <[reed]> well, I have an account, but that's about it
[11:42] <asac> for me there is not a single result on the first result page
[11:42] <asac> won't call it "dominating"
[11:42] <asac> ;)
[11:43] <[reed]> really?
[11:43] <[reed]> oh
[11:43] <[reed]> for "Alexander Sack" ?
[11:43] <asac> yeah ;)
[11:43] <asac> no for "reed loden" :)
[11:43] <[reed]> well, other people have your name, too :)
[11:43] <[reed]> my name is pretty unique
[11:43] <asac> for me that is true
[11:44] <asac> ok headinf for lunch
[12:28] <asac> if you have a test xul app, i can try for you
[12:29] <asac> oh wrong channel
[12:31] <armin76> fail
[12:32] <elprofe> hi people
[12:37] <elprofe> i cant browse in firefox flash pages from a user of my linux system, but yes from another users
[12:37] <elprofe> any body can helpme?
[12:45] <asac> elprofe: hardy?
[12:47] <elprofe> I dont understand asac
[12:48] <asac> what ubuntu version are you running
[12:49] <asac> Ubulette_: the UI of branch listing in launchpad has been changed. maybe we should consider to use the APPNAME. prefix from all branches again
[12:49] <elprofe> gutsy, asac
[12:50] <asac> elprofe: don't install things from adobe, but use flashplugin-nonfree package from ubuntu instead. then look in the user directory: "$HOME/.mozilla/plugins/" and remove anything "flash" related from there
[12:50] <asac> if that doesn't help => #ubuntu
[12:50] <asac> or ask on ubuntuforums.org or on answers.launchpad.net
[12:52] <elprofe> I can browse with another users in same machine
[12:52] <elprofe> but in this new user, i cant do it
[12:57] <asac> yes, do what i said
[13:44] <Ubulette_> hi
[13:48] <asac> hi Ubulette
[13:48] <Ubulette> thanks for the news about John
[14:08] <asac> Ubulette: ok i enabled the lp-locale-export.mk helper in mozilla-devscripts and inserted a stub to README.
[14:09] <asac> final documention will follow once initial issues are flashed out
[14:10] <asac> http://www.chevrel.org/fr/carnet/index.php?2008/02/28/696-ubuntu-breakpad-firefox-3#co
[14:10] <asac> Ubulette: can you translate that?
[14:11] <Ubulette> which part ?
[14:11] <asac> is there any valid point in there?
[14:11] <asac> in text + comments ... i don't want a translation, just if there is anything in that matters
[14:11] <asac> a guy pasted that through pmsg to me
[14:12] <Ubulette> they are talking about breakpad not able to send crash report to mozilla
[14:12] <asac> do we support that at all?
[14:12] <Ubulette> nope
[14:12] <Ubulette> we disable breakpad
[14:12] <asac> ok then don't bother i guess ;)
[14:13] <asac> its just crash submission what we are disabling? or are there other features that users still might want to use?
[14:28] <Ubulette> we use --disable-crashreporter = Disable breakpad crash reporting
[14:36] <Ubulette> http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/?date=20080229
[14:44] <Ubulette> asac, yep, that was mac only: http://browsing.justdiscourse.com/2008/02/29/browsers-and-commoditization/
[14:55] <asac> damn thing ... lp bzr+ssh push is broken somewhat
[14:56] <Ubulette> worked for me 30min ago
[14:56] <asac> yeah for me too
[14:56] <asac> now it doesn't :(
[14:56] <asac> bzr push --create-prefix bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/gnash/ubuntu.0.8.2
[14:57] <asac> that doesn't work
[14:57] <asac> is there a typo or something?
[14:57] <asac> Ubulette: did you look how the branch name looks like on launchpad now?
[14:57] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/gnash/+branches
[15:01] <Ubulette> ugly
[15:01] <asac> well ... you complained about missing project context :)
[15:02] <asac> now we have ~USER + project + name
[15:05] <jetsaredim> so i need a new engimail package for the new tb release?
[15:06] <Ubulette> asac, I prefer https://code.edge.launchpad.net/firefox
[15:06] <Ubulette> except that "Recent revisions" lists old branches
[15:09] <asac> jetsaredim: you need?
[15:09] <asac> jetsaredim: for it worked
[15:09] <jetsaredim> it workie
[15:09] <asac> jetsaredim: i didn't do lots of QA on hardy, but its the same version as we have in gutsy - and that i QAed
[15:10] <jetsaredim> yea
[15:10] <jetsaredim> i'm planning on upgrading my machine tonight or tomorrow
[15:10] <asac> ok
[15:11] <asac> Ubulette: well ... you now prefer, because we fixed the branch name due to the missing project context :)
[15:11] <asac> we have firefox. in everywhere now
[15:11] <asac> but that was more a fix than a feature i guess
[15:11] <asac> but its still ok for now
[15:12] <asac> Ubulette: can you test on some branch if you can still push a revision?
[15:15] <Ubulette> ix:~/bzr/mozclient.dev$ bzr pull
[15:15] <Ubulette> Using saved location: bzr+ssh://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient.dev/
[15:15] <Ubulette> nada
[15:15] <asac> ok
[15:15] <asac> thanks
[15:17] <Ubulette> hmm, ff3 is no longer able to detect the proper app to view a pdf
[15:18] <Ubulette> Open With is empty
[15:18] <armin76> you broke it
[15:18] <Ubulette> but the type is correct
[15:18] <Ubulette> I didn't touch that
[15:21] <Ubulette> hm, i have nothing registered for pdf in the prefs
[15:21] <asac> in gnome?
[15:22] <Ubulette> no, ff3 prefs / Applications
[15:22] <Ubulette> in gnome, it works fine
[15:24] <Ubulette> try: http://www.ladefense.fr/publications_esplanade.php and click on "Télécharger ce numéro"
[15:24] <Ubulette> (just below the flash viewer)
[15:25] <asac> suggests Document Viewer here
[15:25] <asac> but i think there were some gnome upgrades  and i should restart X
[15:25] <asac> let me try
[15:27] <Ubulette> i like that flash viewer, funny what you can do with pages :)
[15:27] <asac> i have gnash ;)
[15:27] <asac> but works great
[15:27] <asac> (at least the not yet released 0.8.2)
[15:28] <asac> still Document Viewer
[15:28] <Ubulette> hm
[15:28] <asac> so either you trashed your settings somehow
[15:28] <asac> or its beta4
[15:28] <asac> or do you run gnome head?
[15:29] <asac> (self built)?
[15:29] <Ubulette> not at the moment.
[15:42] <Ubulette> asac, <poolie> bazaar.launchpad.net is down; it's being addressed urgently
[15:44] <asac> yep ... i prodded them too
[15:50] <asac> ok fixed
[16:31] <armin76> nspr and nss doesn't respect LDFLAGS :(
[16:31] <armin76> asac: fix!
[17:37] <Ubulette> asac, i've replied to the breakpad thing
[17:37] <asac> thanks
[17:37] <asac> armin76: i can live with that
[17:38] <Ubulette> i've explained we prefer bug reports on lp, preferably using ubufox, rather than breakpad
[18:18] <Ubulette> asac, bazaar broken here
[18:18] <asac> still? works for me
[18:19] <asac> Ubulette: thats a good answer ;)
[18:19] <Ubulette> it did but just now, it's dead
[18:23] <Ubulette> asac, [15:36] <Ubulette> http://kazehakase.sourceforge.jp/?date=20080229
[18:23] <Ubulette> not sure you go that
[18:23] <Ubulette> got
[18:26] <asac> hmm ... posted a comment and told them to come here if they want to do it in a real environment
[18:26] <asac> last time i looked they did it completely wrong :)
[18:26] <asac> well ... appeared like they did it for some archaic pre alpha xul
[18:37] <Greenery> you guys have tested firefox pgo for linux?
[18:53] <asac> no
[18:53] <asac> why would we want that?
[18:53] <asac> its only useful if you want to optimize specific use-cases
[18:54] <Greenery> i just read that they gonna push firefox pgo for linux soon
[18:54] <Greenery> mozilla Bug 418866
[18:55] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 418866 in Build & Release "turn on profile-guided optimization on fx-linux-tbox" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418866
[19:02] <[reed]> not for b4
[19:02] <Ubulette> what is that? the patch mentions tinderbox only
[19:03] <Greenery> it's going to be pushed for b4 i think
[19:03] <[reed]> profile-guided optimization
[19:03] <[reed]> Greenery: it's not
[19:04] <[reed]> only for Windows
[19:04] <asac> folks ... please add some random comment to: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gnash/+bug/197061
[19:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197061 in gnash "test bug for gnash-dev email" [Low,Fix committed]
[19:04] <asac> we need to test something ;)
[19:04] <Ubulette> i don't use gnash
[19:04] <asac> Ubulette: it doesnt matter
[19:04] <asac> just post "HAllo"
[19:04] <asac> thanks ;)
[19:05] <Ubulette> done
[19:06] <asac> thanks
[19:08] <asac> i hate dch
[19:09] <Ubulette> don't use it ;)
[19:09] <asac> if i provide a comment at command line it should not refuse to safe if i didn't edit :(/
[19:09] <asac> well ... why reinvent the well ... how do you create automatic changelog entrie?
[19:09] <asac> manually?
[19:10] <Ubulette> most of the time yes, now I have scripted all that.
[19:10] <asac> yeah ... but dch already does that ... it should just not die if don't change the temp file :)
[19:10] <Ubulette> fix it :)
[19:13] <asac> i think ill construct on my own :(
[19:15] <Ubulette> it's quite trivial
[19:16] <Ubulette> here are the scripts I use to update the package and push to my ppa
[19:16] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/update-pkg.sh.txt
[19:16] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/sync-ppa.pl.txt
[19:16] <Ubulette> dirty but efficient
[19:17] <asac> lets see
[19:17] <asac> i do it even dirtier now :)
[19:36] <asac> Ubulette: can you send another comment to the bug above?
[19:38] <Ubulette> done
[19:38] <asac> gratias
[20:03] <asac> bug 194486
[20:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194486 in firefox-3.0 "printing in Firefox 3 Beta 3 is broken" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194486
[20:07] <Ubulette> asac, the blog in french is not talking about our builds, it's about ubuntu running nightlies
[20:48] <Ubulette> damn, sm2 needs nss HEAD since mozilla bug 403563 landed
[20:49] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 403563 in Libraries "Implement the TLS session ticket extension (STE)" [Enhancement,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403563
[20:49] <Ubulette> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/349394
[20:50] <Ubulette> strangely, xul doesn't fail there
[21:09] <Ubulette> cairo 1.5.12 is out
[21:10] <Ubulette> "This snapshot includes the long-awaited change from 16.16 to 24.8 fixed-point values"
[21:10] <Ubulette> http://cairographics.org//news/cairo-1.5.12/
[22:11] <armin76> Ubulette: it uses 24.8 now
[22:11] <armin76> rofl
[22:11] <armin76> sorry, didn't read :D
[22:51] <Ubulette> armin76, i've patched it already: https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[22:53] <Ubulette> i meant, packaged it