[01:54] <philphoto> evening folks.  last night I was troubleshooting my excessive boot time & by simply shutting off services at boot i got the time from bios post to xubuntu login down to 47 seconds.  I'm liking that much more than the 200 seconds it booted in previously.
[01:55] <philphoto> I'm still having the problem of my onboard wifi device intermittently disappearing on boot.
[01:57] <philphoto> this happens on reboot after changing an ultrabay device (IBM T30) or also after the system completeing a big upgrade.  on reboot after the dev has disappeared, the issue rectifies itself and wifi is back.
[05:54] <Breakage> hey, anyone know how to get gmrun to pickup urxvt or xfce terminal as default terminal to run term apps in? i've changed it to urxvt from gnome-terminal in .gmrunrc but urxvt loads the dissapears. anyone using gmrun?
[07:37] <skull-DT> hi
[07:37] <skull-DT> I have a question
[07:37] <skull-DT> I have a old ibook g4 700mhz  128ram I decided to install Xubuntu for the low requirements and it worked fine. I decided to format the HD to install the latest version only to realize that the cdRom was busted. is there any other way to install xubuntu or am I screwd?
[07:40] <ron_o> install over network..
[07:40] <ron_o> or internet
[07:41] <ron_o> however, you still are required to have a cd-rom drive for that.. or some drive. Do you have a floppy? maybe that will work.
[07:41] <skull-DT> nop
[07:41] <skull-DT> thats the problem
[07:41] <skull-DT> its an ibook so it only came with a cdrom
[07:41] <skull-DT> thats it
[07:42] <ron_o> you'll have to have some way of installing it on your harddrive or system. I think you're screwed.
[07:42] <skull-DT> and since it only has 120 ram I had to use the Alternative CD
[07:42] <ere4si> this might help - http://lubi.sourceforge.net/unetbootin.html
[07:42] <ron_o> ask around. I really can't help.
[07:42] <skull-DT> ok thanx ron
[07:42] <skull-DT> let me check that link
[07:42] <ron_o> ere4si, the problem is even if you he could try a network boot, but how?
[07:43] <ron_o> he can't even install anything on his system or in RAM.
[07:43] <ere4si> !I'd go for a usb stick set up on another comp
[07:43] <ere4si> !realplayer
[07:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:44] <skull-DT> hmmm
[07:44] <ron_o> then network to that computer. However, I still won't know how he can get his computer to try anything.
[07:44] <skull-DT> of course it is a power pc
[07:44] <skull-DT> CPU
[07:44] <ere4si> prob won't boot from usb...
[07:44] <ron_o> not a chance. :)
[07:44] <ron_o> :/
[07:44] <ere4si> it's a mac - just set it on fire :)
[07:45] <skull-DT> well I just thought I would put it to office use
[07:45] <ron_o> if you had another macintosh similar to that one then you might be able to get away with installing it on that machine then replacing harddrives..
[07:45] <ron_o> but who'd know how that would work out.
[07:45] <skull-DT> true
[07:46] <ron_o> it's all touch and go.. but at least with a Mac it might be able to configure itself to work on the new machine.
[07:46] <ron_o> you could do that with Intel and linux, but you'd need to configure things manually which is quite hard.
[07:47] <skull-DT> but its a power pc cpu, requires a special version
[07:47] <ron_o> oh, wait.. duh.. you'd be using linux on the Mac. :/... you'd still have to configure things manually.
[07:47] <ron_o> yah.. sorry skull-DT. I can't help you much. :/
[07:47] <skull-DT> yep
[07:47] <skull-DT> thanx for trying man
[07:48] <ron_o> get a new cdrom if it's worth it.
[07:48] <skull-DT> the truth is that I dont even know if I can open this things
[07:48] <ron_o> heh, yah.. I bet.
[07:48] <skull-DT> thery are like sealed, have you seen one?
[07:48] <ere4si> and gutsy doesn't support power pc
[07:48] <skull-DT> yeah
[07:49] <ron_o> I've seen some Macs that are sealed.
[07:49] <skull-DT> it does
[07:49] <ron_o> they were never meant to be messed around with.
[07:49] <ere4si> thought I saw that on the ubuntu site
[07:49] <skull-DT> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/gutsy/release/
[07:49] <ere4si> k
[07:49] <skull-DT> ppc version is right there
[07:49] <ron_o> Good luck skull-DT ... nite
[07:49] <skull-DT> ok bye
[07:50] <skull-DT> oh well, I think I have the coles paper weight in the block thats for sure
[07:50] <skull-DT> haha
[07:50] <skull-DT> thanx guys
[07:50] <skull-DT> appreciate the help
[07:50] <ere4si> got a friend with an external cd drive?
[07:51] <skull-DT> would that work
[07:51] <skull-DT> ?
[07:52] <skull-DT> I dont know much about macs
[07:52] <skull-DT> so they boot from external drives?
[07:52] <ere4si> if the mac can use it - I don't know anything about macs except they're overpriced and underpowered :)
[07:53] <skull-DT> im not much of a fan ether but I have it, might as well try to put it to work
[07:53] <ere4si> you might have to google about that
[07:53] <ere4si> I'm all for using it if you have it
[07:53] <skull-DT> because mac os sure ass hell did not work well I tell you that
[07:54] <ere4si> :) = trying for humor
[07:55] <ere4si> as an aside - why didn't you upgrade the old install?
[07:56] <skull-DT> well actually that was the problem, I did try but the upgrade failed and screwd eveything up. so I had to format
[07:56] <skull-DT> after the upgrade nothing worked even the display looked like crap
[07:57] <skull-DT> so I decided to go for a fresh install
[07:58] <ere4si> fair enough and a common enough prob that it should be looked into by those that offer these things
[07:58] <skull-DT> to my surprise the cd rom died, so some files could not be red from the install cd
[07:58] <skull-DT> yeah that would be cool
[07:58] <ere4si> did you do the md5 check on the cd?
[07:58] <skull-DT> yep
[07:58] <skull-DT> 11 different cds man
[07:58] <skull-DT> not only one
[07:59] <skull-DT> burned in different machines and everything
[07:59] <ere4si> was it burnt on another comp? - and at a slow speed e.g. 4x
[07:59] <ere4si> k
[07:59] <skull-DT> I did went for 4X a couple of times
[07:59] <skull-DT> had to be the mac drive
[07:59] <ere4si> all os's should be burnt at a very slow speed
[08:00] <ere4si> gtg - bbl :)
[08:00] <skull-DT> yeah
[08:01] <skull-DT> I might do of thouse smash my Ibook and put it on youtube
[08:02] <skull-DT> lol
[08:16] <gynterk> what font does xubuntu logo use and where to get it ?
[09:53] <Ven]n> hey, is nautilus a part of xubuntu?
[09:58] <ere4si> Ven]n, no - xubuntu uses thunar - it is lighter on resources but still thorough
[09:59] <Ven]n> yeah..
[09:59] <Ven]n> its just that i also have nautilus installed in my xubuntu
[09:59] <ere4si> I like it :)
[09:59] <Ven]n> but i guess it came from when i installed gnome-desktop-environment
[09:59] <ere4si> yep it wouldhave
[10:00] <Ven]n> so thats where it came from
[10:00] <Ven]n> heh
[10:00] <ere4si> :)
[10:00] <Ven]n> gah.. probably alot that didnt get removed when i removed gnome-desktop
[10:03] <ere4si> if you open synaptic package manager you can click an installed package and select to remove it and the other progs it needs will be shown - if xfce is not one then it might be safe to remove - if you've installed lots
[10:04] <ere4si> and you can select cancel to not remove it
[10:04] <Ven]n> good suggestion :p
[10:04] <ere4si> it lets you search for dependencies and stuff :)
[10:11]  * ere4si wonders what dramas bloodboy  is having?
[10:55] <ceacy> Hi
[10:55] <ceacy> I've got a problem under Xubuntu, with quodlibet (and dbus hotkeys)
[10:55] <ceacy> it used to work, but i uninstalled a few packages, without any problem in dependencies, and now Quodlibet doesn't recognize my hotkeys anymore
[10:55] <ceacy> unfortunately, i don't know which package is supposed to interact with the dbus system, in xfce
[10:56] <TheSheep> python-dbus probably
[10:57] <ceacy> I've already the latest version
[10:57] <ceacy> oh, and quodlibet message is :
[10:57] <ceacy> "DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service file"
[10:58] <ceacy> (btw, the xfce hotkeys work fine ; it's just the quodlibet's dbusmmkeys plugin which fails)
[10:59] <TheSheep> looks like it equires gconf
[10:59] <TheSheep> requires
[11:01] <ceacy> i just reinstalled it, but the error is stille the same : do i have to login/logout, in order for the changes to apply ?
[11:01] <TheSheep> you shouldn't have to
[11:02] <ceacy> well, gconfd isnow running :
[11:02] <ceacy> ceacy     5095  0.0  0.1   5680  2752 ?        S    11:45   0:00 /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconfd-2
[11:02] <ceacy> but the error still occurs
[11:03] <TheSheep> I really don't know how gconf and other gnome apps organize these things
[11:03] <ceacy> In the plugin script dbus*.py, this is the commentary :
[11:03] <ceacy> # This plugin is needed for quod libet to handle multimedia keys properly in
[11:03] <ceacy> # GNOME 2.18. gnome-settings-daemon grabs all keys and publish it as dbus
[11:03] <ceacy> # signals, thus preventing applications like quod libet to grab the key
[11:03] <TheSheep> maybe there is a gnome-settings-daemon package?
[11:03] <ceacy> But i guess i never had gnome-control-center installed in xubuntu, so ... (gnome-settings-daemon is provided by gnome-control-center, if i remeber correctly)
[11:04] <TheSheep> no, it's a deparate package
[11:04] <TheSheep> !info gnome-settings-daemon
[11:04] <ubotu> Package gnome-settings-daemon does not exist in gutsy
[11:04] <TheSheep> at least in Hardy :/
[11:05] <ceacy> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=gnome-settings-daemon
[11:07] <TheSheep> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/gnome-settings-daemonhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/gnome-settings-daemonhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/gnome-settings-daemon
[11:07] <TheSheep> sorry
[11:08] <TheSheep> ceacy: well, you've seen the code. It uses g-s-d.
[11:08] <ceacy> yep
[11:08] <ceacy> but i don't understand why it worked before, and not now
[11:08] <TheSheep> no idea how it could have worked before, maybe earlier version of the plugin?
[11:08] <ceacy> well, i'll install gnome-control-center, just to see
[11:09] <ceacy> (don't think so : i'm brand new to xubuntu, i installed it yesterday ; it worked this night ; i removed packages this morning :p)
[11:10] <ceacy> Thank you, anyway !
[13:09] <Altelier> Hello everyone, anyone knows how to add/change a mime type icon on xfce?
[13:10] <TheSheep> Altelier: yes
[13:11] <Altelier> Is it hard?
[13:11] <TheSheep> no
[13:11] <Altelier> Could you explain it to me?
[13:11] <TheSheep> Altelier: yes :)
[13:12] <TheSheep> Altelier: you just put it in your /.icons/hicolor/<size>/mimetypes
[13:12] <TheSheep> with apropriate name
[13:12] <TheSheep> so, an icon for text/plain would be called text-plain
[13:13] <Altelier> Size will be the icon size right?
[13:13] <TheSheep> see /usr/share/icons/gnome/<size>/mimetypes for some examples
[13:13] <TheSheep> yes, like 48x48 or scalable
[13:14] <TheSheep> the system will pick the icon that is closest in size to the required
[13:15] <Altelier> So for an application/x-cbr
[13:15] <Altelier> I should put a x-cbr , right?
[13:16] <TheSheep> I think it's application-x-cbr
[13:16] <Altelier> Ok I'll try
[13:17] <Altelier> Does it need to restart the windows manager?
[13:17] <TheSheep> the problem is, cbr and cbz will be recognized as application/x-rar and application/x-zip, respectively
[13:17] <TheSheep> or archive/rar and archive/zip
[13:17] <TheSheep> not sure
[13:18] <TheSheep> ah, no, it's fixed
[13:18] <TheSheep> cool!
[13:19] <TheSheep> I can now us my thumbnailer on them!
[13:19] <Altelier> Yes its fixed
[13:19] <Altelier> That's why I asked
[13:19] <TheSheep> that's great news
[13:20] <TheSheep> you think they will also fix .gbc.zip and .gba.zip? :)
[13:21] <Altelier> Will be an improvement for sure
[13:22] <Altelier> I think that should be fixed too
[13:52] <Altelier> TheSheep, thank you, it worked fine ^^
[13:53] <TheSheep> great
[13:53]  * TheSheep reuses the 'irc chat' icon
[15:03] <ere4si> !ping
[15:03] <ubotu> ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore
[15:03] <ere4si> !pong
[15:03] <ubotu> pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[15:05] <jarnos> I just had my pc freeze using gqview. Actually 100% of CPU power was used and best that I could alt-sysRq-s alt-sysRq-u alt-sysRq-b
[15:06] <jarnos> ^best that I could do to reboot
[15:06] <jarnos> was
[15:11] <ere4si> !gqview
[15:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gqview - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:12] <ere4si> jarnos: installed from source?
[15:12] <ere4si> !gtkrc
[15:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtkrc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:13] <jarnos> No, from repository.
[15:13] <jarnos> ere4si: No, from repository.
[15:13] <ere4si> jarnos: from the bot gqview isn't in the repos - what version are you using?
[15:14] <ere4si> the bot works of gutsy atm
[15:15] <jarnos> ere4si:  2.0.4-0ubuntu1, I am using Gutsy
[15:16] <ere4si> !info gqview
[15:16] <ubotu> gqview (source: gqview): A simple image viewer using GTK+. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.4-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 454 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[15:16] <ere4si> k
[15:16] <ere4si> jarnos, that rules out dependencies :)
[15:17] <jarnos> ere4si: what do you mean?
[15:19] <ere4si> jarnos, if you didn't have a needed lib that might have ramped cpu while it searched - but as a xubuntu package all dependencies are taken care of
[15:19] <jarnos> ere4si: I see.
[15:19] <ere4si> jarnos, simple solutions first in my book :)
[15:21] <ere4si> jarnos: can you type   gqview in a terminal and check any output ?
[15:22] <tomd123> does anyone know of an applet kind of like the weather one for the network? I would like to be able to view my total bandwidth usage with in the past 24 hours. Any suggestinos would be appreciated :P
[15:24] <ere4si> tomd123, there is a network applet that shows real time usage - right click the panel - for usage over a day...not that I know
[15:25] <jarnos> I tried to rename a file in gqview when the window was maximized and tried to move the window right because I couldn't get the name visible. I can't reproduce the crash.
[15:26] <jarnos> ere4si: I started it now from terminal and no text there.
[15:27] <ere4si> jarnos, k - might have been a mem address issue at that moment or something similar - s#$% happens
[15:27] <ere4si> :)
[15:28] <jarnos> ere4si: There is a bug in gqview anyway. It didn't show the rename field wholly.
[15:29] <ere4si> jarnos, there are other image viewers as well
[15:33] <LeAstrale> wow a lot of activity in here :)
[15:34] <ere4si> people use - people ask - people answer - stuff happens :)
[15:34] <LeAstrale> ere4si: still a little more than usual, dont you think so ?
[15:36] <ere4si> LeAstrale, yep - that's why I spend time here trying to help - can be like a desert sometimes except for TheSheep and others
[15:36] <LeAstrale> ere4si: ahh The trigger happy Sheep :P
[15:37] <ere4si> LeAstrale, that bloke should have a wage :)
[15:37] <LeAstrale> ere4si: i think most people using Xubuntu actually goes to the #ubuntu channel.
[15:38] <LeAstrale> ere4si: he banned me some days ago because i accidentally posted a link to a website in the wrong tab in Konversation
[15:38] <ere4si> LeAstrale, they might get a complex if they only asked here :)
[15:38] <ere4si> oops to you hen
[15:38] <ere4si> *then :)
[15:38] <LeAstrale> i meant to post in #ubuntuforums-beginners but i accidentally wrote it in here instead
[15:38] <LeAstrale> thats were i usually feel at home
[15:38] <ere4si> He's young - he'll get over it
[15:39] <LeAstrale> heh.. i guess so
[15:39] <LeAstrale> ere4si: do you know much about wifi ?
[15:39] <ere4si> didn't know there was a #ubuntu-forums-beginners
[15:40] <ere4si> LeAstrale, never use it - found a linux distro that will crack any wifi security so...
[15:41] <LeAstrale> ere4si: its for the Ubuntu Forums beginners team
[15:41] <LeAstrale> generally a very helpful channel :)
[15:41] <LeAstrale> and very universal
[15:42] <LeAstrale> ere4si: i wasn't talking about wifi security.. just getting it to work on Xubuntu
[15:42] <ere4si> LeAstrale, I don't use it - link is all I know
[15:42] <ere4si> !wireless
[15:42] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[15:42] <ere4si> sorry
[15:42] <LeAstrale> ere4si: no need to sorry :)
[15:43] <ere4si> LeAstrale, I like to help but for wireless that's all I know :)
[15:43] <LeAstrale> ere4si: im considering pulling cables througout the house to get rid of the wireless aspect of my network
[15:44] <ere4si> LeAstrale, my whole house runs wires for 5 comps - the only way imho
[15:44] <LeAstrale> ere4si: yes it is.. wireless is just no good for the backup solution im making here
[15:45] <ere4si> LeAstrale, speed was my reasoning
[15:46] <LeAstrale> ere4si: speed and stability is the reason of Linux in general (and ethernet btw)
[15:46] <ere4si> LeAstrale, can't get gigabit wireless anywhere...
[15:47] <ere4si> LeAstrale, wireless is new and trendy but slow and insecure
[15:47] <LeAstrale> ere4si: do you have a huge RAID array since you're considering gigabit ?
[15:48] <ere4si> LeAstrale, no - but transfer 700mb files regularly
[15:48] <LeAstrale> to fully use a one gigabit LAN line you would need to have disc setups capable of 128MB/s reading
[15:48] <LeAstrale> ere4si: on a regurlar HDD you won't note the difference
[15:49] <LeAstrale> between 100mbit and 1000mbit
[15:49] <ere4si> LeAstrale, noticed the diff going from 10/100 to gigabit
[15:49] <LeAstrale> it cant have been much
[15:50] <LeAstrale> because a regurlar desktop disc has read speeds about 35MB/s and write at some 20MB/S
[15:50] <ere4si> from nearly 2 min to 30 sec for 700 mb
[15:50] <ere4si> onboard lan to nic cards
[15:51] <LeAstrale> if you had a RAID Array of 4 discs like i have you would however note the difference between 100mbit and gigabit
[15:51] <ere4si> raid in linux is still immature
[15:51] <LeAstrale> that is if the host has the same amount
[15:51] <LeAstrale> ere4si: RAID isn't inmature... it has always been meant to be made in Hardware to get the true performance
[15:52] <LeAstrale> i have a pretty expensive Raid card with 8 IDE slots in it
[15:52] <ere4si> and linux works best with software raid
[15:52] <LeAstrale> i got 4 7,200 rpm discs right now
[15:52] <LeAstrale> ere4si: a good hw raid the OS wont even now exists..
[15:52] <ere4si> k - don't need it atm
[15:53] <LeAstrale> ere4si: im fiddling with it for the backup solution ;)
[15:53] <ere4si> LeAstrale, it's great for that
[15:53] <LeAstrale> yes with the redundancy and everything :)
[15:54] <LeAstrale> i got a RAID 5..
[15:55] <LeAstrale> and i tested it manually some time ago by just unplugging a cable while the server was running... it just kept going.. a little box popped up about a HDD failure that i needed to replace ASAP
[15:55] <LeAstrale> and when i plugged the cable back in the disc it ran a consistency check and then integrated it into the RAID array again
[15:55] <LeAstrale> that was a nice feeling  :)
[15:58] <LeAstrale> hmm... i think ill take a nab.. nice taking to you ere4si
[15:58] <LeAstrale> ttyl
[17:10] <tech404> so I have just installed xubuntu-desktop... now I need to remove all my old gnome stuff.. I thought that removing ubuntu-desktop followed by autoremove'ing would do the job but it seems to have missed quite a bit... any ideas on the best way to make this happen?
[18:12] <nazdalf> hello ppl....i hav xubuntu 7.10 and the screenlock has ceased to work.....it has xscreensaver-gl installed in linux...can some1 pls help me with it....
[18:13] <TheSheep> I thought that 7.10 used gnome-screensaver
[18:13] <nazdalf> well probably ubuntu does...i have xubuntu
[18:21] <nazdalf> well....can ne1 tell me why my screenlock stopped working on xubuntu.......did ne1 else not get the same problem??
[18:25] <zoredache> look at the autostarted applications and see if the screen saver is listed there
[18:28] <nazdalf> zoredache: no it is not....
[18:32] <zoredache> nazdalf: try running the command sudo apt-get install gnome-screensaver xscreensaver-data xscreensaver-gl
[18:34] <zoredache> if that is installed then make a new autostarted application.. the name and program should be 'gnome-screensaver
[18:36] <nazdalf> zoredache: oops....i ws wrong....turns out gnome screensaver is instald on my system.....
[18:37] <nazdalf> zoredache: the other two packages are installed as well.....
[18:37] <nazdalf> zoredache: i ll do the autostarted thingy....
[18:44] <nazdalf> zoredache: its wrking now!! thanks a lot!! ....i ws trying to get it to run by 'xscreensaver-gl' since yest....lollll
[18:47] <zoredache> your welcome
[19:01] <nicolah> will xubuntu hardy heron use xfce 4.4.2 ?
[19:14] <TheSheep> nicolah: yes, it will use 4.4.2 the same as Gutsy
[19:15] <nicolah> gutsy did ? so the bug about the usb stick removal and the trash will remain
[19:15] <nicolah> d'oh
[19:15] <nicolah> thanks for the answer
[19:15] <TheSheep> nicolah: if the bug was reported, it will probably be fixed
[19:16] <nicolah> now I can't find the page but it was well reported
[19:16] <nicolah> thunar daemon wouldn't let unmount a usb stick
[19:16] <TheSheep> nicolah: it definitely doesn't happen for me
[19:16] <TheSheep> nicolah: so I guess it's fixed
[19:17] <nicolah> TheSheep: I'm installing hardy heron and I'll try
[19:17] <nicolah> I don't really care about that bug but being my girlfriend laptop it's pretty annoying
[19:18] <TheSheep> yeah, I can imagine that being a laptop can be annaoying if you don't have apropriate features
[19:18] <TheSheep> like a keyboard and a display, for example
[19:18] <nicolah> as far as the trash in removal drive ?
[19:19] <nicolah> will it still create a .trash folder and never delete it ?
[19:19] <TheSheep> nicolah: I think that's what the standard specification says
[19:20] <nicolah> the standard specification says it's cool getting usb device full withouth even being prompted to empy the trash ?
[19:21] <TheSheep> you can read it at http://freedesktop.org
[19:22] <nicolah> well I mean I *love* xfce but gnome at least prompt for emptying the trash when umounting a usb drive
[19:23] <TheSheep> it would be pretty annoying to me
[19:24] <nicolah> assuming your hidden files are not showed, what do you do when your usb device is full and you don't even know why ?
[19:26] <TheSheep> I empty the trash
[19:28] <nicolah> which one ?
[19:28] <gabkdlly> doesn't thunar automatically remove files from the trash if you run out of space?
[19:29] <nicolah> never happened, btw I'll test
[19:30] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: no, as far as I know
[19:31] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: thunar won't ever remove anything it didn't create
[19:31] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: without an explicit command
[19:32] <gabkdlly> well, I usually remove stuff on the command line if I don't want it to hang out in the trash
[19:33] <gabkdlly> but I can see how it would be a pain if you are used to doing that with a GUI
[19:34] <TheSheep> gabkdlly: just hold down shift if you want to remove permanently
[19:34] <gabkdlly> oh, that's handy to know, thanks :)
[19:35] <TheSheep> sigh, it's in the manual :)
[19:48] <gabkdlly> TheSheep: I am actually not seeing it in the F1 help manual. Maybe I should file a bug.
[21:02] <qsrv> hi
[21:02] <ere4si> !hi
[21:02] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[21:02] <qsrv> has anyone had problems with brasero freezing when burning audio cds?
[21:02] <qsrv> it freezes for something like 5 minutes
[21:02] <qsrv> then starts burning the cd
[21:03] <ere4si> I don't use iy - sorry
[21:03] <ere4si> *it
[21:03] <qsrv> what do you use to burn data and audio discs?
[21:03] <ere4si> k3b
[21:03] <ere4si> it's the most recommended
[21:04] <zoredache> for data disks I use cdrecord directly... I don't make audio disks...
[21:06] <qsrv> hm
[21:06] <qsrv> k3b depends on KDE, so it's not an option - I'm running on a rather limited system
[21:07] <ere4si> it will load some dependencies but not all - won't load kde
[21:17] <ere4si> !vino
[21:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vino - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:18] <Shinjin> Is .msi a linux file extension?
[21:24] <ere4si> that's a windows installer file - no good in xubuntu
[21:24] <Shinjin> Okay
[21:24] <ere4si> MicroSoft Installer
[21:30] <ere4si> !version
[21:30] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[22:07] <ere4si> !sensors
[22:07] <ubotu> You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[22:07] <Mikademus> Anybody who knows why my 64-bit 7.10 live CD won't boot on my Core 2 Duo?
[22:09] <Mikademus> I get to the "Kernal is alive" message, then the monitor turns off and nothing happens
[22:09] <ere4si> what's the brand and model pls - helps with a google search
[22:09] <Mikademus> e6600 2.4ghz
[22:09] <Mikademus> Intel
[22:10] <Mikademus> I have Googled for 2 days :-/
[22:10] <Mikademus> Am new to Linux, and want to switch from Windows, but I just run into obstacles
[22:11] <ere4si> and the brand? - toshiba acer...
[22:11] <Mikademus> Ah, home built. Not a laptop
[22:11] <Mikademus> Desktop computer
[22:11] <ere4si> k - m/board maker and model?
[22:11] <ere4si> and vid card
[22:12] <Mikademus> MB is an Abit DH7-Deluxe, Video is ATI Radeon X850X
[22:13] <ere4si> k - brb
[22:13] <Mikademus> Sorry, Asus
[22:15] <Mikademus> Hold, I gave you the name of the wrong MB
[22:15] <Mikademus> Sorry
[22:15] <Mikademus> It is Asus P5W DH-Deluxe, I mixed it up with my old one
[22:16]  * Mikademus feels like a n3wblar
[22:18] <ere4si> ok - seems there is no issues with that setup so maybe the cd - did you do the md5 check on it? - did you burn it at a slow speed?
[22:20] <Mikademus> On slow speed, yes, I haven't done the MD5 check, but I have exactly the same issue with the 64-bit Ubunto LiveCD I also tried
[22:21] <Mikademus> Are there some "safe mode" or similar parameters I can switch on, since I get to the boot loader?
[22:21] <ere4si> press F6 I think
[22:22] <ere4si> this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=376713 - talks about the success people have with the core 2
[22:22] <Mikademus> Ok, thanks, will read the thread. F6 is the key to enable options, but I have no clue *which* options to set... I'm quite virgin in the ways of *nix
[22:24] <Mikademus> Thing is, I really want to run a Xubunto install, pereferably 64-bit, but it won't boot at all, and the i386 version fails on 15% of installation, which apparently is a quite common problem
[22:24] <ere4si> been so long since I ran the live cd - there is an option for safe graphics
[22:24] <Mikademus> So the GFX is a common source of issues?
[22:25] <ere4si> not from what I read - that's why I asked about the cd
[22:25] <ere4si> is your burner oldish?
[22:26] <ere4si> I had lots of dramas with burnt cds then tried an os burn on another comp and it worked - seems the one drive was on its' way out
[22:27] <ere4si> wasted alot of cds finding that out...
[22:28] <Mikademus> Well, it is not very old, but it's still worth checking. I'll simply do the MD5 test in the installer.
[22:28] <Mikademus> Btw, I always burn with "verify data" on, just for that reason.
[22:29] <Mikademus> Still, your experience sounds like a bummer too... :P
[22:32] <ere4si> I've got a large stack of coasters - something to be aware of...
[22:35] <Mikademus> Bah, I'd gladly waste a few CDs if I could get the 64 bit version to install
[22:35] <Mikademus> ;)
[22:40] <ere4si> the 64 bit is troublesome from what people are saying - needs work to get apps happn'n 'cause they're 32bit written etc
[22:46] <LeAstrale> ere4si: discussing 64bit atm are we ?
[22:46] <ere4si> LeAstrale, and booting probs with it...
[22:47] <LeAstrale> with the 64bit :O ?
[22:47] <LeAstrale> i haven't had any such at all with Xubuntu
[22:47] <LeAstrale> except when i played around with alpha 3
[22:47] <LeAstrale> ere4si: i have updated my wireless thread now :)
[22:47] <LeAstrale> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4403380#post4403380
[22:47] <LeAstrale> please take a look at the above thread if you have knowledge in wireless under Xubuntu
[22:48] <Mikademus> LeAstrale, aye, booting probs with the 64bit Ubuntu and Xubunto LiveCDs on a Core2Due
[22:48] <ere4si> LeAstrale, I don't do wireless - sorry :)
[22:49] <Mikademus> And the i386 version won't get past the lockup at 15% done problem
[22:49] <LeAstrale> ere4si: i know it was just so that i could post it out load in here if anyone had any ideas
[22:49] <LeAstrale> Mikademus: tried the alternate discs ?
[22:56] <Mikademus> No, I haven't, as I understand the main difference is the installer program?
[22:57] <LeAstrale> Mikademus: yes.. which could solve your 15% issues of the install... i have however heard of cases where that step took extremely long time
[23:00] <Mikademus> I searched and found some threads where the 15% issue was discussed, and it seems to be a relatively common if not directly widespread issue
[23:00] <Mikademus> So the i386 install issue is not isolated to my particular config
[23:01] <LeAstrale> Mikademus: i would however recommend you download the alternate.. its not that different.. a little harder to partitionate that should be the only thing
[23:01] <LeAstrale> Mikademus: i dont know
[23:01] <Mikademus> Well, I'll give the alternative a try. I just wish I had some rewriteable CDs :)
[23:02] <LeAstrale> how do i format my WD external HDD from within Kubuntu ?
[23:03] <zoredache> well if you are a cli type person you would drop down to a shell, then use something like 'sudo cfdisk' to make your partitions, followed by something like 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdnn'
[23:09] <Mikademus> Alternative 64 bit gibbon on its way. Thank the Powers for a reasonably broad band, though a band broad would be adequate too. Anyway, wish me luck with this version.
[23:10] <LeAstrale> zoredache: and if i would like it with a smaller NTFS partition on it (which should hold the driver to access EXT3 from windows)
[23:10] <Mikademus> I have a nagging feeling Shub-Nuggorath don't want me to leave the dark side
[23:11] <uno> hey
[23:12] <ere4si> my cows eat hay :)
[23:12] <uno> when i tried to burn xubuntu to a cd it didnt work it had 3 errors... and i really dont want to keep waisting cd's so is there any way to boot from an external hdd to install xubuntu on my internal hdd?
[23:14] <zoredache> uno: there are ways, but they are tricky...
[23:14] <bitform> did you verify the MD5 of your ISO image?
[23:14] <zoredache> !install | uno
[23:14] <ubotu> uno: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[23:20] <ere4si> !cisco
[23:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cisco - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:24] <Mikademus> !sillywordgame
[23:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sillywordgame - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:32] <Mikademus> Ok, here goes. Wish me luck. Mikademus signing off
[23:33] <ere4si> k lol
[23:38] <beautifulsnow> Hello, I would like to know to trim my dekstop down to the core, I mean, I don't want games, extra applications, etc etc, just the core (like with kde, you can have kde core.. if that makes any sense...).... anyone know how to
[23:40] <ere4si> I used this and am impressed - http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[23:41] <ere4si> but you can open synaptic and select packages to remove
[23:42] <beautifulsnow> man, that site seems to have everything I need >_> *thumbs up*
[23:43] <ere4si> using fluxbox I halved mem usage and saved a third of the disk space used by the "normal" install :)
[23:44] <beautifulsnow> Yes, that's what I'd like to do too :)
[23:47] <beautifulsnow> See, I just installed Ubuntu a week ago, and I'm using 40Gb on my hard drive already.
[23:47] <ere4si> next I'm using the server install and flux to see if hd space is further reduced
[23:48] <beautifulsnow> Granted, 10Gb is for virtual box ;)
[23:48] <ere4si> 40G - how - avi's?
[23:48] <ere4si> k
[23:48] <beautifulsnow> No. I have an external hard drive that I use for media
[23:48] <ere4si> what uses the 30G?
[23:48] <beautifulsnow> You tell me :P
[23:49] <ere4si> ???
[23:49] <beautifulsnow> OOPS sorry, thats 35gb total, not 40 ;p
[23:49] <ere4si> doesn't seem right...
[23:49] <ere4si> still
[23:49] <beautifulsnow> yeah
[23:50] <beautifulsnow> Too bad I already love my setup too much, or I'd do a barebones install ;___;
[23:50] <beautifulsnow> Maybe saving my home folder would be enough? :-/
[23:50] <ere4si> I set up with 5G for / and the rest for /home - the / uses 1.2G
[23:51] <beautifulsnow> Lovely
[23:51]  * beautifulsnow ponders
[23:52] <ere4si> yep - with a /home you can reinstall and keep data and most settings - e.g. firefox has a .firefox folder in /home with your bookmarks etc in
[23:52]  * beautifulsnow starts making a list of the programs she will want to install ^____^
[23:52] <beautifulsnow> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, if I reinstall, and keep my /home, I should be ok, no?
[23:53] <ere4si> I do that - don't upgrade but reinstalll so my /home is great idea for me :)
[23:54] <beautifulsnow> I forgot to make a /home partition, been using Linux on and off since '97, I should know better >_>
[23:54] <ere4si> I've gone from dapper to gutsy with same /home partition
[23:55] <ere4si> well - it's got to be on its' own partition - you can install a window manager that is light then start removing apps