[00:59] <seele> Riddell: I saw that and almost posted.  Then I remembered it was slashdot and let the trolls answer for me :)
[01:42] <ryanakca> woah, why does gnome's scim / pannel applet automatically start when you login to KDE4 since the upgrade an hour or so ago? My keyboard keeps on getting switched to Amharic... really annoying.
[01:42]  * ryanakca digs into it
[01:50] <nixternal> man, KDE 4 will not stop locking up on amd64 box that I installed using the new kubuntu-kde4 cds
[01:50] <nixternal> s/KDE\ 4/my\ system/
[01:50] <nixternal> and there is nothing in the logs either
[01:50] <ryanakca> hmmm
[01:51] <ryanakca> nixternal: like, lock up even when you're using a vt?
[01:51] <nixternal> lock up just looking at it
[01:51] <ryanakca> heh
[01:51] <nixternal> and it is random as all hell
[01:52] <nixternal> I just ran a virtual box session for at least 6 hours and the system doesn't lock up...
[01:52] <ryanakca> know if anything is hogging all the ressources? maybe log ressource consumption every 10s... then whenever it locks up, reboot and check if/what was hogging everything?
[01:52] <nixternal> I made a mistake by thinking I could ctrl+alt+backspace in vbox to restart X, but it restarts the systems X, which then locks up
[01:52] <nixternal> the resources look good
[01:54] <nixternal> virtualbox is using 100% CPU
[01:54] <nixternal> hahah, nice
[01:54] <ryanakca> lol
[01:54] <nixternal> 102%
[01:54] <nixternal> wth
[01:54] <nixternal> my CPU is working overtime
[01:54] <nixternal> but that only happens when vbox starts up
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» dual core CPU
[01:54] <ryanakca> lol, so I'm guessing if you killed vbox, it wouldn't lock up?
[01:55] <nixternal> after that it settles in under 6%
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> you can go up to 200
[01:55] <nixternal> that's when the lights start dimming :)
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> whew..... i'm on Dapper. this seems so stone age :)
[01:56] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:57] <nixternal> and it just locked up
[01:57] <nixternal> ARGH!
[01:57]  * nixternal goes back to the KDE 3 install
[01:57] <ryanakca> lol
[01:57] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: I still have a Dapper shipit CD ኪችኪንግ አሮኡን
[01:58] <nixternal> hrmm, I don't even have kde 3 disc
[01:58] <ryanakca> woah, CD kicking around
[01:58] <nixternal> ኪችኪንግ አሮኡን
[01:58] <nixternal> what was that?
[01:58]  * ryanakca curses the gnome crap starting up at KDE4 login. I've never even used it, but it refuses to quit and randomly switches the keyboard to amharic on me
[01:58] <nixternal> hahahaha
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> we're gonna see how a dapper to hardy upgrade goes :)
[01:59] <nixternal> call in the military first
[01:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: it looks like its amharic characters... and ርርግ!@$#%^&@#$
[01:59]  * ryanakca curses and tries to figure out why it /refuses/ to quit
[02:00] <ryanakca> I right click it, -> Quit, and then as soon as I type a character, it opens/appears again
[02:01] <nixternal> OH NOOOOOOO
[02:01] <nixternal> I am out of damn blank CDs
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> live usb key?
[02:01] <nixternal> hrmm
[02:02] <nixternal> is there a howto that I can use to install from a USB key?
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> !installusb
[02:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about installusb - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:02] <ryanakca> !usb
[02:02] <ubotu> For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> yeah.. there is.... somewhere
[02:03] <nixternal> w00t found it
[02:03] <ryanakca> there :P
[02:03] <DaSkreech> back again
[02:03] <ryanakca> DaSkreech: wb :)
[02:04] <DaSkreech> Thankke :
[02:09] <nixternal> OH NO!
[02:09] <nixternal> I can't find a spare 1GB usb stick now
[02:09] <nixternal> when I am not looking for one, there are 100 in front of me, now I can't find one
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[02:13] <ryanakca> nixternal: *wonders if that would be a murphy's law*... You always have an abundance of storage media when you don't need it, but always run out when you need it....
[02:14] <nixternal> I found some blank CDs
[02:14] <nixternal> I had 2 stacks of 100 that I got for xmas, and now I have like 10 at the most
[02:15] <nixternal> I found my usb keys
[02:15] <nixternal> I forgot I put them in a case a few weeks back when cleaning up my work area
[02:15] <nixternal> hrmm, downloading Kubuntu Hardy alternate at 8k/s isn't going to cut it
[02:16] <nareshov> What's the package's name which contains the default wallpaper for kde3 on hardy?
[02:16] <nixternal> the Internet gods are against me tonight
[02:17] <ryanakca> nareshov: kubuntu-default-settings iirc
[02:17] <nixternal> yup
[02:17] <nareshov> k
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> !info kubuntu-default-artwork (hardy)
[02:17] <nareshov> btw, how do I move to hardy from gutsy using adept?
[02:17] <ubotu> Package kubuntu-default-artwork does not exist in hardy
[02:18] <nareshov> I remember someone telling me to do that instead of the traditional '%s/gutsy/hardy/' on sources.list && dist-upgrade
[02:19] <ryanakca> nareshov: for the record, I always do the traditional s/gutsy/hardy/g && apt-get update && aptitude dist-upgrade ... but its recommended to do the upgrade with Adept. Don't know how though :)
[02:19] <ryanakca> !dist-upgrade
[02:19] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:19] <ryanakca> nareshov: ^^
[02:19] <nixternal> grr, and there aren't any Hardy mirrors
[02:20]  * ryanakca doesn't think he's used adept more than a dozen times... *wonders if its any better than it was*
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> !torrent
[02:20] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Transmission (GTK and terminal-based), Deluge-Torrent, Freeloader, BitStormLite, BitTornado-GUI (GTK), KTorrent (KDE), QTorrent (Qt), Azureus (Java), TorrentFlux (web-based), bittornado, rTorrent, cTorrent, bittorrent, aria2 (terminal-based) - FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html - See also !P2P
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> bleh
[02:21]  * nixternal checks Windows partition to see if there is still a hardy iso image
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Windows sucks
[02:23] <nixternal> ahhh damn
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> !nixternal
[02:23] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[02:23] <nixternal> I have a hardy-alternate-i386 but not an amd64
[02:24] <nixternal> time to check bittorrent and see if I can get a decent speed...if I am lucky there might be 2 seeders
[02:25] <nixternal> 1 freakin' seeder
[02:25] <nixternal> BAH!
[02:27] <ScottK2> ryanakca: It's not.
[02:28] <nixternal> there we go, 700+ K
[02:33] <DaSkreech> nixternal: I know same thing for me was like 12 for a while then suddenly jumped waaay up
[02:41] <ryanakca> nixternal: ooh, free money? :P
[02:41] <ryanakca> ScottK2: heh
[02:43] <DaSkreech> and that's my call to install KDE4
[02:44] <nixternal> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-anti-spam-law,0,1597403.story
[02:44] <nixternal> ahh ya, 1 down millions more to go
[04:30] <nixternal> my god, brainstorm.ubuntu.com is the new cesspool of etardation
[04:30] <nixternal> interesting to see all of the Kubuntu ideas being shot down in rank
[04:35] <alteroo> nixternal: Ok It froze again
[04:35] <alteroo> 7 times :0
[04:35] <nixternal> wth
[04:35] <alteroo> I sshed in from before :)
[04:35] <nixternal> skreech? :p
[04:35] <alteroo> so I can watch it now
[04:35] <alteroo> Yeah
[04:35] <alteroo> It froze while I was talking to you
[04:35] <nixternal> I was wondering why you quit talking to me
[04:36] <alteroo> Xorg is using 99.1 % of the CPU
[04:36] <nixternal> that is awesome!
[04:36] <nixternal> VBox was using 102% of mine today
[04:36] <nixternal> until you hit 102% or higher, you aren't in my crash league :p
[04:36] <alteroo> nixternal: can you kill vbox?
[04:37] <nixternal> it locks up to where only one of the 2 buttons on the front of the PC work
[04:37] <alteroo> Yeah that's me
[04:37] <alteroo> I'm sshed in now and I can run commands
[04:37] <alteroo> but on the actual machine only the power button works
[04:38] <alteroo> mouse keyboard all lights even the HDD light has stopped
[04:39] <alteroo> So any ideas on how to get Xorg to stop taking up so much CPU?
[04:39] <nixternal> if (pc->getDE() == 'KDE' && pc->getDEVer() >= 4 && pc->getUserName() == 'nixternal') { pc->setLock(); }
[04:39] <nixternal> that is how I feel
[04:39] <nixternal> err, that logic isn't correct
[04:39] <alteroo> rand() ; Lock ()
[04:39] <alteroo> ^^^^ that would be me
[04:39] <nixternal> forgot AMD64, and I forgot pc->installFrom() == 'kubuntu-kde4*.iso' :p
[04:40] <alteroo> But enough about you I'm far more interesting :)
[04:40] <nixternal> lol
[04:41] <alteroo> I wonder If I could renice it
[04:41] <nixternal> forget about you, I have a chicken caeser salad in the fridge screaming for part 2
[04:42] <alteroo> we came not to braise caeser but to cherry him
[04:42] <alteroo> ok renicing it made it take more CPU
[05:04] <ScottK2> I think I may have the KDE3 user management bug figured out.
[05:12] <ScottK2> or not ...
[09:21] <hunger> Since upgrading to kde 3.5.9 konqui got really unstalble:-(
[11:55] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping?
[13:16] <blizzzek> is there somewhere a pykde channel or something? #pykde is empty, actually
[13:17] <jpatrick> blizzzek: maybe #kde-devel can help?
[13:18] <blizzzek> jpatrick: maybe, ty :)
[13:20] <Jucato> !ask | blizzzek
[13:20] <ubotu> blizzzek: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:20] <Jucato> (sorry couldn't help echoing pinotree :P)
[13:22] <blizzzek> Jucato: i do not want to ask questions in the wrong place, that's why i thought to ask that first of all
[13:23] <Jucato> yeah, just kidding about that :)
[13:23] <Jucato> (but you don't trust jpatrick? :P)
[13:24] <jpatrick> aww :-(
[13:24] <blizzzek> sure i trust him...
[13:24] <blizzzek> ...but we have the saying "vorsicht ist die mutter der porzellankiste" or so, but dunno how to say that in englisch
[13:27] <Nightrose> Riddell, nixternal, apachelogger: I promissed to get the crossdistro mailinglist done - waited for it for a long time and never got a reply... - now it is done but I never got any mail about it and just stumbled upon it by chance a few minutes ago
[13:27] <Nightrose> Riddell, nixternal, apachelogger: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/distributions
[13:28] <Nightrose> nixternal: you had a list of people to contact at other distros right? can you do that now?
[13:28]  * Nightrose grummles @ fdo
[13:31]  * Nightrose ponders blogging about it
[13:31] <nosrednaekim> when in doubt... blog!
[13:32] <jpatrick> Jucato, blizzzek: you can always /whois me for trust :p
[13:32] <Nightrose> nosrednaekim: ;-)
[13:32] <Jucato> jpatrick: I don't trust you, no matter /whois you are :P
[13:32] <Jucato> j/k
[13:36]  * blizzzek does not trust /whois either^^
[13:53] <xRaich[o]2x> Hi, looks like there is a problem with umbrello in KDE4. The GUI looks pretty broken. Is this a known problem?
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> xRaich[o]2x» i'd ask in kde-devel
[13:55] <xRaich[o]2x> Ok, let's see if they'll send me back ;)
[13:56] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[14:10] <Nightrose> ok blogged
[14:10] <Nightrose> :)
[14:11] <nosrednaekim> :)
[14:14] <jpatrick> hallo emonkey
[14:15] <emonkey> hi jpatrick
[16:48] <ScottK2> I just uploaded pykdeextensions with the libpythonize0 deb on python-dev added back (again).  This should solve the user management problems we've been having.
[17:51]  * yuriy frowns at the xrandr configuration posts, assuming this isn't going into guidance-backends
[17:52] <nareshov> Does the screen-configuration utility work at all? I've had NO luck with my laptop + extra LCD >_>
[17:52] <yuriy> nareshov: displayconfig? not that i know of, but i haven't tested in a while :(
[18:00] <nixternal> ScottK2: do we have a FFe for KDE 4 stuff?
[19:02] <yuriy> uhoh, i tried kde4's display kcm
[19:03] <nixternal> not good?
[19:04] <yuriy> nixternal: kwin crashed and now i have a blank screen with some garbled stuff
[19:05] <yuriy> anybody know how to log out blind w/ keyboard?
[19:06] <nosrednaekim> yuriy» ctrl+alt+delete.... enter
[19:06] <nosrednaekim> (in KDE4)
[19:07] <yuriy> well strangely enough, that made my screen come back
[19:07] <yuriy> or that could have been that kwin finally restarted (i accidentally used kwin3 though)
[19:10] <nosrednaekim> :)
[19:10] <nixternal> Nightrose: oops, I just noticed you posted the mailing list on your blog for the KDE planet...oops, oh well, 2x == love :p
[19:14] <yuriy> ok, time to test this kde4 cd thing
[19:21] <ryanakca> rawr! that bleepety bleep GNOME SCIM start without me wanting you to, restart even though you've been kill -9'd, switch my keyboard to amharic utility doesn't want to go away
[19:24] <nosrednaekim> ryanakca» wipe gnome:)
[19:25] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: I'm on the verge of doing that.
[19:27] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: /mode nosrednaekim +i
[19:27] <nosrednaekim> whats that do?
[19:28] <jpatrick> !modes | nosrednaekim
[19:28] <ubotu> nosrednaekim: There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[19:28] <ryanakca> makes you invisible iirc
[19:28] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: makes you invisible so people who whois you don't see your channels, unless they're in them
[19:29] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick» haha... I don't care if peoplewant to follow me around
[19:29] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: it can be a nuisance sometimes tho ;)
[19:29] <ryanakca> nosrednaekim: you might already have it on.... go     /mode nosrednaekim
[19:30] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I just turned it off
[19:31]  * ryanakca wonders how long ubuntu youth has been around
[19:31] <jpatrick> ryanakca: couple of months
[19:32] <ryanakca> jpatrick: heh, november
[19:32]  * ryanakca wonders if jenda is really a bot that idles on every channel
[19:33] <jpatrick>  /whois jenda
[19:33] <jpatrick> don't think so
[19:34] <ryanakca> he/she has +i on
[19:35] <ryanakca> hmm... couldn't ubuntu-youth be an open team?
[19:38] <jpatrick> ry	Menza said CoC - limit
[19:40] <ryanakca> jpatrick: ah, yes, sorry
[19:41] <jpatrick> ryanakca: not my choice but...
[19:56] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping ? :)
[19:57] <jpatrick> _StefanS_: haha
[19:57] <_StefanS_> jpatrick: what ? :D
[19:58] <_StefanS_> jpatrick: I've been trying to get hold of him for the entire day
[20:02] <jpatrick> !weekend | (maybe, _StefanS_)
[20:02] <ubotu> (maybe, _StefanS_): It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[20:05] <steveire> nixternal: ping?
[20:07] <_StefanS_> jpatrick: thanks, but I we agreed to meet up during the weekend
[20:07] <jpatrick> _StefanS_: ah, cool
[20:11] <yuriy> ok i'm trying the kde4 live cd and it's dropping me to busybox, saying hdc: drive not ready for command
[20:24] <yuriy> hmm disk seems good
[20:27] <fdoving> anyone have akonadi running on hardy with mysql-server-5.0 ?
[20:32] <yuriy> same thing with alpha 5 i386. i guess hardy doesn't like my desktop hardware
[20:48] <yuriy> ah, bug 181561
[20:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181561 in linux "Hardy alpha 2/3/4 daily-live i386 don't boot" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181561
[21:19] <ebrahim> Hi all. Please add http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/478/ to http://kubuntu.org
[21:19] <ebrahim> Any of kubuntu.org webmasters here?
[21:20] <jpatrick> ebrahim: we already have that kind of support (shipit, web hosting, etc)
[21:20] <ebrahim> jpatrick, don't joke about having as much resources (e.g developers) as Ubuntu/Gnome!
[21:21] <jpatrick> ebrahim: we may be small, but powerful!
[21:22] <ebrahim> jpatrick, of course, but what does jriddel say about that?!
[21:23] <jpatrick> ebrahim: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3256
[21:23] <ebrahim> jpatrick, I've read that
[21:27] <jpatrick> ebrahim: well, I can't see it coming onto kubuntu.org...
[21:31]  * ebrahim was disconnected and didn't get your responses
[21:31] <jpatrick> < jpatrick> ebrahim: well, I can't see it coming onto kubuntu.org...
[21:32] <ebrahim> Riddell, what about you?! ^^^
[21:34] <ebrahim> jpatrick, this is what Ubuntu has done to KDE for years!
[21:35] <jpatrick> !weekend > ebrahim
[21:36] <ebrahim> Ubuntu seems to be on weekend whenever KDE is mentioned
[21:37] <apachelogger> ebrahim: Ubuntu does support KDE the way it supports gnome
[21:37] <apachelogger> everyone saying something different is insulting the peeps in here IMHO
[21:38] <ebrahim> apachelogger, I'm not new to Ubuntu ;-)
[21:38] <jpatrick> apachelogger++
[21:39] <ScottK> nixternal: If it's just bugfixes no FFe needed.  It might make sense to write a standing one just in case.
[21:39] <jpatrick> ebrahim: you know Canonical is sponsering a bunch of us for the Ubuntu Developer summit?
[21:40] <ebrahim> jpatrick, yes
[21:41] <jpatrick> ebrahim: good
[21:43] <nixternal> ScottK: what I did was file a bug with the upstream changelog, and then closed it with the debian/changelog like it says to do on the FFe page for a paper trail
[21:44] <ScottK> nixternal: That's great.
[21:44] <nixternal> yakuake-kde4...it was nothing but bug fixes
[21:44] <nixternal> went from ~beta to stable
[21:51] <ebrahim> good time friends
[21:51] <ebrahim> and good bye!
[21:51] <jpatrick> (finally)
[21:52] <nixternal> wtf
[21:52] <nixternal> I wish I had ops, that was ridiculous
[21:52] <jpatrick> so do I, but..
[21:55] <jpatrick> we rock, that's the buttom line :)
[21:55] <apachelogger> well
[21:55] <apachelogger> at least nixternal does :P
[21:55] <apachelogger> not sure about jpatrick
[21:55] <apachelogger> rock ftw!
[21:55]  * jpatrick hugs apachelogger back
[21:56] <apachelogger> hehe
[21:56]  * apachelogger is pretty close to a neon build with the all new script
[22:02] <ryanakca> heh, unprofessional website. I'm guessing he isn't aware of the plan for the new website?
[22:03] <jpatrick> ryanakca: he didn't say anything about the webiste apart from posting a link there :p
[22:04] <ryanakca> jpatrick: I was quoting the link he pasted "And it shows. Kubuntu web site looks quite poor and unprofessional compared to ubuntu"... oh well :)
[22:04] <nixternal> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/478/
[22:04] <nixternal> there, now I added my response that hocus pocus
[22:04] <jpatrick> ryanakca: ah, I did not read all the posts
[22:05] <ryanakca> jpatrick: nah, it was in the "idea" description
[22:06] <ryanakca> ++nixternal
[22:06] <jpatrick> nixternal->boostKarma(500);
[22:07] <nixternal> careful, my karma is 0, don't want a divide by zero error :p
[22:07] <nixternal> even if you are adding :)
[22:09] <ScottK> nixternal: I see you are channelling jono's BS now.
[22:10] <ScottK> There's only one person different in the level of support for Kubuntu versus Ubuntu is complete hogwash.
[22:11] <nixternal> ScottK: it is true though
[22:11] <ScottK> Who are the two people you count as the only one's working on Gnome?
[22:11] <nixternal> have no idea, but somebody else told me, not Jono, since I don't think he likes me much
[22:12] <ScottK> OK.  That's basically a quote from jono's blog that really didn't hold up very well.
[22:12] <nixternal> oh
[22:12] <nixternal> I did not realize that, or I totally forgot about that
[22:12]  * jpatrick notes that jono hangs out in #kubuntu and not #ubuntu
[22:12] <nixternal> even if we had another paid developer, we are still 50+ community members shy
[22:13] <jpatrick> ah, he does now..
[22:13]  * apachelogger would be happy with some server to run uploads from :)
[22:15] <ScottK> nixternal: There's a significant difference between the level of support that Ubuntu gets versus Kubuntu and trying to pretend there isn't doesn't help anyone.
[22:15] <nixternal> and it doesn't help anyone to think differently either
[22:15] <nixternal> people who bitch aren't working and helping, so I turn on my fan to block their hot air
[22:15] <nareshov> hehe
[22:16] <ScottK> That's fine.  I thought the 2nd half of what you wrote was very good.
[22:16] <nixternal> I think I stole that line from Comedy Central
[22:16] <nixternal> hopefully next month my big talk and board talk with Bruce Perens and John Hall can spark up some interest
[22:16] <nixternal> if it doesn't, I am switching to Ubuntu! :p
[22:16] <nixternal> NOOOOOOOOOO
[22:17] <nixternal> hahaha, my buddy who is a Slackware dev said "come back to Slackware, we don't have people bitching about support"
[22:18] <jpatrick> yes, but does the term exist to them?
[22:18] <nixternal> haha, exactly
[22:19] <nixternal> he said "if people don't like Slackware, who cares, there are other distros to bottle feed them"
[22:19] <nixternal> hahahahaha, I can't believe that attitude has made them survive this long
[22:24] <ScottK> nixternal: One of the really odd things between Ubuntu and Debian is that the Ubuntu CoC says I have to be nice, but the Debian Social Contract says I have to care about users.
[22:27] <nixternal> heh, good point
[22:29] <blizzzek> so what is the nice way to say "i don't care about you"? ^^
[22:30] <blizzzek> m, that's not funny, forget about that
[22:31] <nixternal> lol
[22:32] <ScottK> Mine goes along the lines of: "I've fixed the bugs that really annoyed me.  If you would like some help getting involved in development so you can do the same, let me know.  I'll be glad to help."
[22:34] <nixternal> ScottK: I like that!
[22:35] <ScottK> It's positive and nice (totally CoC compliant), but adds up to if you don't like it, fix it yourself.
[22:40] <yuriy> why is this GTK scim applet starting up on login
[22:40] <jpatrick> yuriy: I think ryanakca was asking about that earlier on
[22:41] <nareshov> there should be a file in ~/.xinput.d/ , install skim and replace scim with skim
[22:43] <yuriy> nareshov: i have no such file/directory
[22:43] <nareshov> install im-switch
[22:44] <yuriy> also i don't want/need skim/scim at all
[22:44] <nareshov> oh
[22:44] <nareshov> press ctrl+space
[22:44] <nareshov> heh
[22:49] <yuriy> i guess it probably got installed with pidgin
[22:51] <fdoving> man, apparmor is a pain.
[22:52] <ScottK2> Yes, but sitting next to SE Linux, apparmor is pure beauty and simplicity.
[22:53] <fdoving> it still is a pain.
[22:55] <fdoving> try to make it allow running mysql as a user, with datadir, socket and config in your homedir. (like akonadi does).