[00:29] <ryanakca> yuriy_: I have the same problem!
[00:30] <ryanakca> I want to skim to die, but removing / uninstalling it makes KDE4 hang when you log in.
[00:31] <ryanakca> yuriy_: it also insists on starting up moments after I go killall -9 `ps aux | grep scim | grep -v grep | awk '{ print $11 }'`
[00:45] <yuriy_> ryanakca: nareshov's suggestion worked for me. install skim and im-switch, remove scim.  I don't think i actually did anything else, and i don't have skim running
[00:50] <nareshov> both of you aren't logged into English desktops, that's why scim starts up by default
[00:51] <yuriy> nareshov: well, yeah, i guess it's part of my other problem. something i did seems to have unset the locale
[00:51] <yuriy> i don't know how to set it manually and the gui tools don't seem to do it
[00:52] <yuriy> qt-language-selector --mode select shows nothing, an empty list
[00:53] <nareshov> dpkg-reconfigure locales ?
[00:53] <yuriy> nareshov: thanks i think that did it
[00:54] <nareshov> np
[02:20] <nosrednaekim> yuriy» hey..... I think they are putting the KDE3 system settings on there for the kde3 settings modules such as the displayconfig and the mountconfig
[02:25] <Nightrose> re
[02:26] <Nightrose> nixternal: hehe no prob @ planet
[02:26] <Nightrose> the more promo the better ;-)
[02:27] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: those aren't the ones that are in there, i guess i should have listed them
[02:27] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: it's a couple keyboard settings ones and a couple window management ones
[02:27] <nixternal> I am so bored right now building KDE trunk/
[02:27] <yuriy> and in any case, they shouldn't be in lost+found
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> yuriy» hum, yeah, cause I immediately though of those (which made seinse to me)
[02:27] <nixternal> I need to get our decibel package fixed because for some reason there was a crack sync from Debian
[02:48] <ScottK> I think I got the last of the Kubuntu specific Alpha-6 bugs done.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> yay!
[02:48] <Hobbsee> did you get the kdesudo upload?
[02:48] <ScottK> No.
[02:48]  * ScottK looks
[02:48] <ScottK> I did just upload skim though.
[02:49] <Nightrose> nixternal: yay @ us for getting the subscriber count to the list from 8 this morning to 47 right now :)
[02:49] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Do you know why Tonio didn't upload it?
[02:49] <Nightrose> correction: 50
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ScottK: nope
[02:49] <Hobbsee> that's why i milestoned
[02:50] <ScottK> OK.  Well there's no draft package there either, so I don't know what we can do except wait for Tonio.
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> Nightrose» plenty of people from other distros?
[02:50] <ScottK> Unless someone else wants to do it.
[02:50] <Nightrose> nosrednaekim: seems so yea
[02:51] <ScottK> Other than that, the user config failure and the skim FTBFS were the only Kubuntu ones I saw.
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> when is alpha 6?
[03:03] <nixternal> while (world != end) { decibel->kickAss(nixternal); }
[03:03] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: free is thursday, so a couple of days after that I would guess
[03:04] <Jucato> while (1) all.kickAss(nixternal);
[03:04]  * Jucato thinks the {} might be unnecessary..
[03:04] <nixternal> actually no
[03:04] <nixternal> err, ya
[03:04] <nixternal> read that as 'might be necessary'
[03:04]  * Nightrose snoozes
[03:04] <Jucato> :P
[03:04] <Nightrose> nini :)
[03:04] <nixternal> k'nite
[03:05] <Jucato> g'night nixternal
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> I hope Riddell updated desktop-effects-kde, it was seriously screwed up before.
[03:05] <nixternal> actually, the way to do the cheater while, or heartbeat, is 'while (true)
[03:05] <nixternal> I am not going to sleep, Nightrose is
[03:05] <Jucato> ah right...it's C++;
[03:05] <nixternal> heck it is only 21:05 here
[03:05] <Jucato> oh sorry. good night Nightrose! :)
[03:05] <Nightrose> hehe yea
[03:05] <Nightrose> but it is 4 am here :P
[03:05] <Nightrose> afk
[03:05] <Jucato> brunch here
[03:06] <nixternal> jeesh you geek :)
[03:06] <Jucato> laters :)
[03:06] <nixternal> only geeks stay up that late :p
[03:07]  * nixternal goes and finds the girl scout cookies
[03:08] <nixternal> you know, the US might have a screwed up government, but we have something the world only wishes they had
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> hum.... this guy has a decent point https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-kde4-meta/+bug/197404
[03:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197404 in kubuntu-kde4-meta "Kubuntu-kde4 application integration" [Undecided,New]
[03:08] <nixternal> Girl Scout Samoas Cookies!
[03:09] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: no not really, past the title
[03:09]  * yuriy checks if that's the one that wants gtk apps
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> yuriy» yeah
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> same one.
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> well, I agree that kde4 and gtk look far better than kde4 and kde3
[03:10] <nixternal> (Konsole crashes dbus for some reason (I'm on amd64))
[03:10] <nixternal> I think that was part of my freeze issue
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> that we should replace things with the gtk programs...no.
[03:11] <nixternal> it only occurred I figured out when Konsole or Yakuake was open
[03:11] <yuriy> he has a few bugs like that in there
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» yeah, some other guy was complaing about that... nice to know what it is
[03:11] <yuriy> it is a nice screenshot though
[03:12] <yuriy> we should get that gtk engine in by default
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> yeah....i'm grabbing that thing immediately :)
[03:14] <nixternal> actually, we just need the qt4 theme, we don't even need to use that gtk-qt4 utility
[03:14] <nixternal> and it only works on some gtk apps, not all
[03:14] <nixternal> at least I couldn't get it work on gimp
[03:15] <nixternal> I marked the bug as Triaged/Wishlist btw
[03:15] <nixternal> and then asked if he got the theme working with gimp :)
[03:15] <nixternal> also note that the CD images aren't finished yet and still have some tweaking to go I believe
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> heh..... I downloaded that theme... any idea where it should be un-tarred to?
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» do you need to have some special priveledges to mak things as wishlist, etc?I can't do it.
[03:16] <nixternal> I think you have to be a dev or on the bugsquad
[03:17] <nixternal> dev as in motu, core-dev, and/or qa
[03:17] <nixternal> maybe it is qa
[03:17] <nixternal> let me see if brian is around
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> ah....ok
[03:18] <yuriy> ok i'm a little confused how to get this thing to work
[03:18] <yuriy> and what the program is for
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> which thing?
[03:19] <yuriy> the qt4-gtk theme
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> oh.. the actual program? I couldn't figure it out either
[03:20] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugControl
[03:20] <yuriy> nosrednaekim: i think it's supposed to change the gtk theme for you, but it doesn't seem to work
[03:20] <nixternal> it doesn't work, that is why you can't figure it out...I mean it does, but you never know because it is so poorly written
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> nixternal» how do you set the gtk theme maually then?
[03:21] <nixternal> yuriy: there is a directory to install the qt4 theme to
[03:22] <nixternal> you need to install the qt4 theme that is on kde-look first and then run the gtk-qt4 thing
[03:22] <nixternal> you do need it actually I think..I can't remember if I got the theme to work by setting up the gtk stuff in systemsettings-kde3
[03:23]  * nixternal goes for a cookie :)
[03:24] <yuriy> ok if i understand correctly, the program generates a gtk theme from your kde theme/color scheme
[03:25] <yuriy> is that what gtk-engine-qt does too?
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> thanks nixternal, reading that now..... I am no where nearly as involved with bugs as I should be.
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> haha... what is a "long" second? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/197254
[03:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197254 in pidgin "pidgin often freezes for long seconds" [Undecided,New]
[03:31] <Hobbsee> yuriy: that exists?  neat!
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> I think he meant for kde3
[03:34] <yuriy> Hobbsee: i was referring to the kde3 one, but it looks like somebody made something similar for kde4 which we are discussing: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=74689&forumpage=2
[03:34]  * Hobbsee drools
[03:34] <Hobbsee> that's one of my problems against switching back to kde4
[03:35] <nixternal> gtk apps look like crap with gtk, so don't install them! :p
[03:36] <yuriy> hmm it did some funky stuff to firefox and doesn't seem to work at all for pidgin
[03:36] <Hobbsee> i don't mind them.  wiht the right theme, they look like kde used to.
[03:37] <nixternal> yuriy: ya, I only noticed it work for firefox, it didn't work with gimp either
[03:37] <Hobbsee> well, kinda like it still does, for kde3.
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> can't even figure out how to compile the stupid thing...
[03:44] <yuriy> i used the binary
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> amd64 <_<
[03:45] <yuriy> heh, me too, it runs
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> not for me... it complains about missing libraries or something
[03:48] <yuriy> huh, i can't even extract the source
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> bleh w/e... I only use Firefox....
[03:48]  * nosrednaekim goes to bed
[11:21] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ping
[11:21] <toma> Riddell: ping
[11:30] <mhb> there's some very nasty memory leak in kopete
[11:30] <mhb> in the current hardy one
[11:30] <mhb> just after launch, it eats all the CPU and starts allocating memory wildly
[11:50] <Nightrose> nixternal: *lol* yea I think there is no doubt about the geek thing :P though I went to a house warming party of a friend this time and got to bed that late because of this
[14:15] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Pong
[14:17] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'm headed out for several hours and will read your response when I get back (insert the usual contentless ping kvetching here).
[15:02] <sboden> Is there a trick for patches you make yourself for defects in launchpad to be committed somehow ... via REVU, ...?
[15:03] <Nightrose> patches for launchpad?
[15:03] <Nightrose> probably #launchpad
[15:03] <sboden> I added a few over there, but I see little follow action
[16:04] <jpatrick> Jucato: eddieftw was looking for you earlier
[17:55] <apachelogger> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/03/kickoff-improvements.html
[17:56]  * nosrednaekim <3 the inability of linux multimedia.... I can't watch screen casts, and pictures work just fine :)
[18:21] <steveire> nixternal: ping?
[18:41] <nixternal> steveire: pong?
[18:41]  * nixternal is loving the KDE 4 from trunk/ BIG time!
[18:42]  * nixternal has a small plasma panel now, soon will have some dashboard widgets, webkit love, and then some
[18:42] <nixternal> and you can make your desktop snow! :p
[18:42] <steveire> Hi, I was wondering about the edits to the kde4/kubuntu page regarding lib{un}gif. Why is it the kubuntu users should use libgif? Is it something everyone should use?
[18:42] <hunger> nixternal: Does not work for me:-/ No plasma is showing up.
[18:42] <steveire> The page is inconsistent now.
[18:42] <steveire> can someone confirm a bug for me? It's a toolbar bug in kolourpaint and kjots(though not committed yet). Launch kolourpaint and enable the text toolbar. Close and open the app a few times and watch the text toolbar move left, taking space from the main toolbar. This doesn't happen when the main toolbar is on the right of the text toolbar to begin with.
[18:43] <steveire> That's kde4 by the way. It happens in trunk, not sure about branch.
[18:43] <nixternal> steveire: we migrated away from libungif4 to libgif a month or so back
[18:43] <steveire> Is 'we' kde or kubuntu?
[18:43] <nixternal> kubuntu
[18:43] <nixternal> I don't know if Debian changed or not
[18:44]  * nixternal looks in debian svn
[18:44] <hunger> steveire: libungif was necessary since libgif had patent issues. THey provide the same API, with libungif removing the patented stuff.
[18:44] <steveire> I think the cmake response asks for libungif. When you say migrated do you mean libungif is not in hardy?
[18:44] <hunger> steveire: The patent is no longer relevant, so the libgif can get used now.
[18:45] <nixternal> actually, every instance of libungif on that wiki page should be changed to libgif, as Debian converted as well
[18:45] <hunger> steveire: They are drop-in replacements of each other. Use whatever you prefer.
[18:45] <steveire> OK, I'll fix the page a bit. nixternal, yeah, that's what I mean
[18:45] <nixternal> exactly what I was going to say hunger
[18:46] <steveire> Does anyone know why libpam is needed. It was added by anon without commen
[18:46] <steveire> t
[18:46] <nixternal> libpam0g-dev is needed for workspace
[18:47] <steveire> nixternal: Is it required/optional?
[18:48] <nixternal> required
[18:49] <steveire> I've not recompiled in a while. I'll  try this evening. Can anyone try my toolbar bug?
[18:49] <nixternal> I would but my system just locked up
[18:49] <nixternal> the fglrx driver we have sucks in hardy btw
[18:50] <nixternal> you can't use any type of konsole/yakuake w/o the system locking up
[18:50] <nixternal> even from svn build
[18:50] <steveire> heh. My new laptop has intel graphics. They've worked fine. Funnily enough the intel wireless is tempermental.
[18:53] <neversfelde> Riddell: ping
[18:58] <steveire> nixternal: I also removed your note for kubuntu users to use libgif. It's all libgif now.
[18:58] <nixternal> groovy steveire
[19:21] <nixternal> bryce is the x guy right?
[19:21] <mhb> right
[19:23] <kwwii> well, he is still a man, but he does handle the problems well
[19:30] <nixternal> by chance, is anyone using fglrx with hardy?
[19:34] <ScottK> Note to self: Install the updated version of the package before testing to see if the fix worked.
[19:35] <nixternal> steveire: when I had the text toolbar and close, when I restart kolourpaint, the toolbar isn't there anymore
[19:35] <nixternal> ScottK: I know the feeling
[19:35] <steveire> nixternal: enable the toolbar, save a file and reopen
[19:38] <nixternal> gotcha
[19:38] <nixternal> steveire: my toolbar isn't staying
[19:38] <steveire> nixternal: Drifting left?
[19:39] <steveire> Oh, you mean disappearing
[19:39] <nixternal> ya, totally gone
[19:40] <nixternal> it isn't remembering its setting for some reason, this is a trunk build from this morning too
[19:41] <steveire> Try adding text to a file before saving and closing.
[19:45] <nixternal> k
[19:46] <nixternal> ok, that saved it..now I should open/close it a couple of times and it should drift to the left you say?
[19:46] <steveire> Should do,
[19:47] <nixternal> steveire: oh ya, it is drifting to the left
[19:47] <steveire> nixternal: Cheers.
[19:47] <nixternal> took me a few times to actually notice the drift cuz it wasn't a big one
[19:47] <nixternal> and that is with the latest branch checkout
[19:47] <steveire> Yeah, the main toolbar starts to hide itself.
[19:47] <steveire> What's the most meaningful place for a bug about that?
[20:05] <nixternal> kcolourpaint I would guess unless it happens in other apps
[20:06] <santiago-ve> nixternal, the next meeting its on march 8th?
[20:08] <nixternal> @schedule
[20:08] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 05 Mar 07:00: Platform Team | 08 Mar 11:00: Kubuntu Developers
[20:08] <nixternal> yup
[20:09] <nixternal> 11:00 UTC == sleep for me :)
[20:13] <jjesse> hrmmm need to get started on my 5 for a day
[20:13] <jjesse> what time is 11 UTC
[20:14] <jjesse> for you nixternal
[20:14]  * jjesse is too easy too look it up
[20:14] <nixternal> jjesse: come on, -1 from you :p
[20:14] <jjesse> nixternal: i didn't see what time you said it was
[20:15] <Riddell> neversfelde: pong
[20:15] <neversfelde> hi Riddell
[20:15] <neversfelde> we sold 4 of these terrible green! tshirts at our booth in Chemnitz
[20:15] <nixternal> 11:00 UTC == 05:00 here until the hours jump forward an hour this month
[20:15] <jjesse> oh
[20:16] <jjesse> hrmmm that's way too early for me then :)
[20:16] <jjesse> actually i have two 5:30 am flights this week :(
[20:16] <nixternal> that is definitely way to early :)
[20:16] <nixternal> anything prior to 12:00 is to early for me :)
[20:16] <neversfelde> Riddell: : I do not know where to send the money?
[20:16] <nixternal> neversfelde: send it to me :p
[20:17] <neversfelde> hehe
[20:18] <neversfelde> I wonder if it is possible to reinvest it in another kubuntu rollup poster?
[20:18] <Riddell> neversfelde: the green/blue ones from seaLne?
[20:19] <neversfelde> sending this poster costs about 20 euro each time and a new one will be at 80 euro
[20:19] <neversfelde> Riddell: I do not remember who send them to FroSCOn last summer
[20:19] <Riddell> neversfelde: money from those t-shirts needs to go to seaLne
[20:20] <Riddell> neversfelde: if you need another kubuntu poster give me a justification and a quote and I can quite likely get Canonical to pay for it
[20:21] <neversfelde> would be great, I will talk to Czessi about this, he knows where to get one
[20:21] <neversfelde> seaLne: are you around?
[20:21] <seaLne> lo
[20:21] <neversfelde> hi
[20:22] <neversfelde> we sold 4 green tshirts, each one for 15 euro
[20:22] <seaLne> Riddell: there is alos the big kubuntu banner from akademy2006
[20:22] <neversfelde> Riddell told me to send the money to you?
[20:22] <seaLne> hmmf they are blue
[20:22] <neversfelde> no, they are green ;)
[20:23] <seaLne> how many did you have i can't remember
[20:23] <neversfelde> I think 4 was all, but I was not in Chemnitz
[20:23] <seaLne> sounds like a possible number
[20:24] <seaLne> Riddell: if you are getting another poster stand thing can you see if you can get replacement plastic bits for the top? one is missing from a kde stand
[20:25] <Riddell> seaLne: mm, good idea
[20:25] <seaLne> and nearly lost another at fosdem
[20:27] <seaLne> neversfelde: i'm in no great rush for the money if you are likely to see Riddell or myself in the next few months handing over in person would probably be simplest
[20:27] <neversfelde> are you at Linux Tag in Berlin?
[20:27] <seaLne> nope
[20:27] <seaLne> coming to akademy?
[20:28] <neversfelde> no :(
[20:28] <neversfelde> probably apachelogger?
[20:28] <Nightrose> neversfelde: I am going to be at linuxtag and akademy
[20:28] <apachelogger> I dunno yet
[20:29] <neversfelde> Nightrose: great
[20:29] <neversfelde> I will send the money to you?
[20:29] <neversfelde> or Czessi will give it to you in Berlin
[20:30] <Nightrose> czessi can send it to me before akademy
[20:30] <Nightrose> I think that is best
[20:30] <neversfelde> ok, I will tell him
[20:31] <Nightrose> k
[20:32] <ScottK2> I remember that Riddell talked with some of the Debian KDE developers about coming to UDS.  Does anyone know if any are coming?
[20:32] <ScottK2> I'd like to work on a Debian/Kubuntu KDE4 packaging alignment spec, but if they aren't going to be there, that's probably not the best venue.
[20:34] <nixternal> KTurtle is addicting
[20:35]  * robotgeek looks
[20:45] <Trigger7> ScottK: i don't know about any plans. i can just talk about me, but i'll be in china in june, so i have to hold my money together ;)
[20:48] <ScottK> Trigger7: OK.  I can ask in #debian-qt-kde too.  I was hoping someone would come so we could sit down in the same room and get things aligned (or at least understand where the differences are and if they make sense).
[20:49] <Trigger7> feel free to ask. maybe there are plans i don't know about...
[20:51]  * ScottK is about to head out for a bit, so I'll ask later.
[20:58] <blizzzek> mhm, in kde-devel was no answer, forgive me, but: i saved my application icon in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/ as $appname.svg. in kde3 it seems to work, but not in kde4 (it is neither displayed in the taskbar nor in the window). i apply it via self.setWindowIcon(kdeui.KIcon(self.icon)) (python) do i do something wrong? if so, what?
[21:05] <toma> ping Riddell
[21:06] <toma> or nixternal
[21:07] <nixternal> toma: pong
[21:08] <toma> nixternal: hi, i've a problem with hardy
[21:08] <toma> nixternal: or rather akonadi
[21:09] <nixternal> what's up with it?
[21:09] <toma> nixternal: akonadi launches a mysqld with sepearated dababases and settings in ~/.local
[21:09] <toma> nixternal: now it looks like apparmor is preventing that launch
[21:09] <toma> nixternal: any idea how we can tackle that?
[21:10] <nixternal> you build kdepim from svn?
[21:10] <toma> nixternal: yeah
[21:10] <fdoving> toma: hi,  i actually reported a bug about that yesterday. - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/197476
[21:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197476 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "akonadi  does not work with the apparmor rules introduced for /usr/sbin/mysqld on hardy." [Undecided,New]
[21:10] <toma> nixternal: but it will become a problem when you are going to create packages for kdepim
[21:11] <nixternal> ya, I was going to say fdoving filed a bug I think on it :)
[21:11] <toma> fdoving: ah great
[21:11] <nixternal> I knew the issue sounded familiar...started search LP..thanks fdoving for speaking up on that one
[21:11] <toma> nixternal: i trust you guys are going to fix it for the 4.1 packages, but i'm worried about users that will try svn
[21:12] <fdoving> not sure how stupid apparmor is, but one could probably just make a hardlink to /usr/sbin/mysqld with some other name.
[21:12] <toma> nixternal: especially since there is no error message
[21:12] <nixternal> put up a blog post letting the users know maybe?
[21:12] <fdoving> to work around modifying the mysql-package.
[21:12] <nixternal> or put a note up on techbase for those reading that for building svn
[21:12] <nixternal> I was just getting ready to build mailody and play with akonadi too
[21:13] <toma> nixternal: cool
[21:14] <nixternal> now that I removed that stupid fglrx driver
[21:14] <nixternal> I just noticed to with svn, using the free ati/r300/radeon driver works great, except for one little quirk now
[21:14] <nixternal> on our packages, the r300 driver and composite is a nightmare
[21:14] <toma> fdoving: blog sounds interesting
[21:14] <fdoving> toma: yep. 'APPARMOR SUX.' :)
[21:15] <nixternal> hahaha
[21:15] <toma> but i rather have a solution in hardy before it is released
[21:15] <nixternal> at least I don't get the apparmor messages anymore during boot up
[21:15] <nixternal> probably need to poke the apparmor/security people and get them on it
[21:15] <fdoving> poke the mysql-guys first.
[21:16] <fdoving> they introduced the rules in their package.
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> is the ufw the same thing as apparmor?
[21:16] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: no, ufw is a firewall.
[21:16] <fdoving>  apparmor is something more similar to SE Linux.
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> ah.ok
[21:16] <fdoving> one can define rules for which directories/files a binary can access.. etc.
[21:17] <toma> nixternal: great
[21:17] <fdoving> type of access, write, append, read, link, lock, etc. and some network stuff too, but i didn't read up on that. i just disabled the annoying thing. :)
[21:17] <nixternal> haha
[21:17] <nixternal> I need to read up on it as well
[21:18] <nixternal> probably cause a lot of bugs to just disappear :)
[21:18] <fdoving> you find the rules in /etc/apparmor.d/ - man apparmor.d for instructions on how to modify/write rules :)
[21:18] <fdoving> that is 'man apparmor.d' to be clear.
[21:18] <hunger> How do I get rid of that damn skim thingy that was recently introduced?
[21:18] <fdoving> bbl, i'm in the middle of baking breads.
[21:18] <hunger> It keeps switching to random input methods:-(
[21:21] <nosrednaekim> hunger» talk to ryanacka
[21:21] <nixternal> haha, everyone is having that issue
[21:22]  * hunger removed every deb matching *scim*.
[21:23] <hunger> ... and *skim*
[21:24] <nixternal> I think it only affects those who don't use 'en'
[21:24] <hunger> nixternal: Why use en.
[21:24] <hunger> nixternal: Why should I waste RAM on scim anyway?
[21:25] <hunger> The good thing is that nothing important depends on scim or skim.
[21:25] <nixternal> I am not even familiar with scim/skim all that much...except for people complaining about the random input stuff
[21:25] <nixternal> yesterday someone was typing and all of a sudden I guess scim/skim switched to arabic on them and you could see it in irssi..it was kind of funny I have to admit
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> haha
[21:26] <hunger> nixternal: I had that as well... I had to kill the X session to get out of that mode.
[21:27] <jjesse> intersting on the alpha release of kde4 hardy and also on the last alpha of kde3 my network card isn't detected
[21:27] <jjesse> my wireless network card isn't
[21:27] <nixternal> jjesse: that is because the new Ubuntu plan is to force you to go and buy a new one :p
[21:27] <jjesse> awesome what a great plan
[21:27] <nixternal> hahahaha
[21:27] <jjesse> at least my audio is detected
[21:28] <nosrednaekim> Canonical has some for sale BTW...
[21:28] <jjesse> what information should i grab to start troubleshooting this?
[21:29] <nosrednaekim> iwconfig and lshw
[21:30] <jjesse> ok, cool the live cd didn't detect it, wonder if the install will?
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> usually it can be forced to :)
[21:32] <nixternal> jjesse: ahh, I noticed the same thing with the Live CD, and after installation it was fine
[21:32] <jjesse> nixternal: hopefully that's the case
[21:32] <jjesse> i'm working w/ a bunch of laptops this week, all dell latitude d830s :)
[21:33] <nixternal> ahh, you just using the LiveCD to get your Kubuntu love in? )
[21:33] <jjesse> nixternal: no i'm looking to reload my main laptop to hardy kde4 and i have all of work's training laptops that are the same model to mine
[21:33] <nixternal> as long as you don't have to use the fglrx drivers, all is well :)
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> I'm gonna load hardy and force those drivers to work....
[21:36] <fdoving> i guess the intel drivers in hardy sux too, my X freezes on every logout, i've tried kdm, gdm, and plain startx. freezes on logout. hardy does not look promising so far, in my eyes that is.
[21:37] <nixternal> fdoving: I have the 945 chipset and the Intel drivers have been a charm..I have heard of some issues with Intel's newer chipsets
[21:37] <ScottK> Hmmm.  I've got Gutsy on a Dell D430 laptop and that installed flawlessly.
[21:38] <nixternal> ScottK: we are talking Hardy, LTS, standing for LoTS of bugs
[21:38] <fdoving> nixternal: i hve the 954 too, but still freezes on every logout with hardy. gusty works fine of course.
[21:38] <fdoving> 945 that is.
[21:38] <nixternal> hrmm, I just had that issue with the fglrx drivers and I removed them on my desktop and went back to the free drivers, which work great with trunk/
[21:39] <ScottK> Hmmm.   I'm wondering how Lenny's going ...
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> fdoving» do you have kdm to restart X on logout? that fixes that usually
[21:39] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: i haven't changed any kdm config at all. except removed the userlist.
[21:39] <fdoving> nosrednaekim: but it happens with gdm too, and plain startx.
[21:40] <nixternal> ScottK: not to shabby, I have been using my Lenny/testing on my debian box and it has been great
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> oh... plain startx?then thats probably not it.
[21:40] <ScottK> nixternal: If they decide to stick with 3.5.x for Lenny, I'm seriously thinking about switching.
[21:40] <fdoving> yeah, i have just stopped logging out for now. rebooting instead.
[21:40] <ScottK> OTOH, KDE 4.1 may totally stun me.
[21:41] <nixternal> ScottK: I have to say the current trunk build of KDE 4 is quite nice
[21:41] <nixternal> functionality is really catching up
[21:41] <ScottK> Hows kdepim?
[21:41] <nixternal> I have a nice small plasma panel, customized plasma theme
[21:41] <nixternal> kdepim is actually working which suprised me
[21:41] <nixternal> but it isn't complete yet
[21:41] <ScottK> Right.
[21:42] <nixternal> 4.1 will have a Qt4/KDE4 version of the kdepim in 3.5.9 I think...though toma or fdoving would know better since they are kdepim folks
[21:42] <nixternal> and if you use IMAP, Mailody is the way to go anyways :)
[21:42] <ScottK> The whole idea of shoving all my data into a mysql database is very scary (thinking 4.2).
[21:43] <toma> we chatted yesterday already
[21:43]  * ScottK doesn't.
[21:43] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:43] <ScottK> toma promises me it'll be wonderful.
[21:43] <toma> even better
[21:43] <fdoving> currently i'd keep a backup of anything pushed into akonadi :)
[21:43] <nixternal> hehe
[21:44] <jjesse> hrm what did i need out of lshw ?
[21:44] <nixternal> I wish kmail/kontact had the akonadi stuff working so I could check it out with my awesome POP3 love! :)
[21:44] <jjesse> iwconfig shows "no wireless extension"
[21:45] <fdoving> nixternal: go write a pop3-resource for akonadi. then you can atleast read them with mailody .)
[21:45] <nixternal> no thank you :)
[21:45] <nixternal> I have been following the code commits and already my eyes are crossed
[21:48] <jjesse> ok this is frustrating, seems like there is a ton that i can't do in system settings kde4 and there is no system settings kde3 that allows me change
[21:49] <jjesse> system settings problem on kde4/hardy alpha under "connection problems"  getting "orphaned control modules"
[21:53] <nixternal> ya, system settings is still a mess
[21:53] <jjesse> so is system settings/kde3 going to be included w/ system settings/kde4?
[21:56] <nixternal> I couldn't tell you..I feel out of the loop on that
[21:57] <nixternal> s/feel/fell
[22:12] <jjesse> awesome o'hare is closed today
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> why?
[22:13] <jjesse> wind conditions
[22:13] <jjesse> no one is currently allowed to fly in or out
[22:13] <nosrednaekim> wow...must be really windy!
[22:14] <jjesse> i guess, but they do call it the "windy city"
[22:18] <nosrednaekim> BRB... gotta get out of this stone-age dapper
[22:29] <Riddell> toma: hi
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> Riddell» did you include the latest fixes I had for desktop-effects-kde? it was seriously broken in the last relase (my fault)
[22:32] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: nope
[22:32] <Riddell> but I can put it on my todo, or you can poke other people into updating the package
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> alright, thanks.
[22:34] <toma> hi Riddell, i already talked to nixternal about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/197476/
[22:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197476 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "akonadi  does not work with the apparmor rules introduced for /usr/sbin/mysqld on hardy." [Undecided,New]
[22:36] <Riddell> toma: it may help to poke keescook about that
[22:37] <toma> ok
[22:40] <nixternal> Riddell: when can we upload 4.0.2 stuff?
[22:40] <nixternal> tomorow?
[22:40] <Riddell> nixternal: what do you have?
[22:40] <nixternal> extragear except for the new libkscan
[22:41] <Riddell> tomorrow evening I guess, but I havn't started on the main packages yet
[22:41] <nixternal> ooh, ya good point, I need 4:4.0.2 first :)
[22:41] <Riddell> volunteers welcome :)
[22:42] <nixternal> if anyone doesn't want to hop on I will see if I can get kdelibs, kdepimlibs, and kdebase at least started
[22:44] <Riddell> nixternal: you have about 10 hours before I'll start, if you do start any make sure to tell me on channel so we don't duplicate and make any .debs available somewhere
[22:49] <nixternal> Riddell: 10 hours, hrmm....In about 4 hours I would be able to start on them and work for a couple of hours, so if I do any, I will link to you the files on my site so we don't duplicate
[22:59] <nixternal> I need a higher resolution than 1280x800...it just doesn't cut it for me anymore
[22:59] <nixternal> on my laptop that is
[23:00] <nixternal> 1440x900 on the desktop is nice, but it isn't cutting it anymore either
[23:01] <yuriy> nixternal: i made sure to get 1400x1050 when buying a laptop, deciding there's no way i'm going to go *down* from 1280x1024. expensive though
[23:01] <nixternal> ya, my next lappy will be insane like that
[23:02] <nixternal> what I do to cheat, or what I did with KDE 3, was shrink everything down, the fonts and all
[23:02] <nixternal> and then squished the bars at the top of windows down as well
[23:02] <nixternal> made it look like a bigger display that way
[23:02] <nixternal> now that would be a nice feature...have KDE fake a higher resolution
[23:02] <nixternal> or any DE for that matter
[23:11] <toma> nixternal: isnt that what zoom out does in plasma
[23:14] <nixternal> heh, zoom takes it to a little 640x480 box in the top left hand corner for me
[23:15] <nosrednaekim> :)
[23:15] <toma> nixternal: aha, i couldn't check, i removed the box ;-)
[23:16] <nixternal> 17" UltraSharp™ Wide Screen UXGA (1920x1200) display with TrueLife™
[23:16] <nixternal> now we are talking
[23:16] <nixternal> 1920x1200 on a laptop, that is insane
[23:16] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[23:16] <nosrednaekim> is that HP dv9000?
[23:17] <nixternal> that is a Dell
[23:17] <nixternal> only $799 USD too
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> not bad...
[23:17] <nosrednaekim> I hate big laptops though.
[23:17] <yuriy> nixternal: i don't think you want to carry that thing around though
[23:17] <nixternal> I hate the fact that when I bought my laptop not even 2 years ago, it was a deal, but was only $300 cheaper than that dell with half the specs
[23:18] <nixternal> yuriy: I will hire someone to carry it around for me :p
[23:18] <nixternal> they also have a 20.1" Laptop
[23:18] <nixternal> now that is a beast
[23:18] <yuriy> with the money you save over a lighter one?
[23:18] <nixternal> I would have to have a backpack for my backpack
[23:18] <nixternal> I want super high resolution and screaming speed
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> get a desktop
[23:19] <nixternal> like my desktop, I can do 'make -j5' and watch it scream in a KDE 4 build
[23:19] <yuriy> desktop + eeepc + ssh
[23:19] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: I have more desktops than I really need
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> isn't that "listen to it scream"?
[23:19] <nixternal> the build goes so fast, Konsole/Yakuake looks like a blur :)
[23:25] <yuriy> hmm anybody else with an audigy on kde4?
[23:25] <yuriy> i occasionally get popups about phonon falling back to another device, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on the sound
[23:44] <jjesse> dog fell asleep on my foot.... looks like i won't be moving for awhile
[23:44] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[23:48] <Nightrose> Riddell: http://amarok.kde.org/d/en/index.php?q=gallery&g2_itemId=8976 ;-)
[23:48] <Nightrose> some of Myriams pics
[23:48] <Nightrose> she will upload more tomorrow
[23:49] <jjesse> ooo its lightning outside
[23:49] <jjesse> hopefully a nice thunderstorm
[23:50] <Nightrose> hehe probably why your dog lay down under the table by your feed
[23:54] <jjesse> probablly
[23:54] <jjesse> he's funny