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| nixternal | man is it warm in Chicago tonight | 01:41 |
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| * Hobbsee dumps ice on nixternal | 01:42 | |
| nixternal | no doubt..I just went outside and messed around in the yard with the dog, and I started to sweat...totally unheard of | 01:45 |
| nixternal | we have severe weather tonight turning into yet another snow storm tomorrow | 01:45 |
| * nixternal throws a snowball at jjesse | 01:45 | |
| nixternal | Riddell: are we going to apply for GSoC this year? | 03:39 |
| nosrednaekim | he's probably way asleep by now.... | 03:39 |
| nixternal | oh I know, but when he wakes up he can respond :) | 03:40 |
| nosrednaekim | but I hope so! I want to do a project :) | 03:40 |
| yuriy | nixternal: idea page is in the topic, i would think that's a yes | 04:22 |
| ScottK | Debian is doing it. You could always apply through Debian and then Kubuntu gets it too. | 04:40 |
| ScottK | Any of you see my mail to kubuntu-devel? | 04:43 |
| nixternal | the qt3 email? | 04:45 |
| ScottK | Yeah | 04:46 |
| ScottK | More precisely the please test my mountconfig changes in my PPA email. | 04:46 |
| nixternal | I would need KDE 3.5.9 to test that right? | 04:46 |
| ScottK | KDE3 something. | 04:47 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 04:47 |
| nixternal | guess I would have to install KDE 3 then | 04:47 |
| ScottK | You're probably no help then. | 04:47 |
| nixternal | since I just accidentally wiped it | 04:47 |
| ScottK | Bah. | 04:47 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 04:47 |
| * ScottK will just upload the changes next week. | 04:47 | |
| nixternal | oh wait, I still have KDE 3 on this laptop | 04:47 |
| nixternal | how do I go about testing mountconfig | 04:47 |
| nixternal | I forget about this laptop still having KDE 3 | 04:47 |
| ScottK2 | Install be version from my PPA (linkage in the mail) and run mountconfig. See if it works OK for you. | 04:48 |
| nixternal | roger that | 04:48 |
| nixternal | OK, before I install this, I just ran mountconfig and it opened the Disks & Filesystems window | 04:52 |
| nixternal | will I notice any difference between the old and new? | 04:52 |
| ScottK2 | If you do, it's a problem. It should be just the same. | 04:52 |
| nixternal | survey says | 04:52 |
| nixternal | its the same | 04:53 |
| nixternal | so I guess it works then | 04:53 |
| nixternal | but it worked for me prior to the update | 04:53 |
| nixternal | don't know how good of a test case I was | 04:53 |
| ScottK2 | Right, but the package you just tested removed some code that was driving bogus changes in the Py QT3 package. | 04:54 |
| nixternal | gotcha | 04:54 |
| ScottK2 | So it's not a change to fix mountconfig but to allow me to fix Py QT3 | 04:54 |
| nixternal | Guidance has never worked for me anyways | 04:54 |
| ScottK2 | It does well enough for me in Gutsy/Hardy. Feisty wasn't so fun. | 04:54 |
| nixternal | it did work for me a long time ago, maybe Edgy, but all of the dist-upgrades since then and has been useless | 04:55 |
| ScottK2 | BTW, I read the MC call minutes. Did Kmos make a new LP account for himself? | 04:55 |
| nixternal | reports 2 batteries, doesn't do CPU scaling or show my CPU speed | 04:55 |
| nixternal | ya he did | 04:55 |
| ScottK2 | Someone turned him in? | 04:55 |
| nixternal | someone noticed the similarities | 04:56 |
| nixternal | and then he set himself out with one of his commits under the other account | 04:56 |
| ScottK2 | On my Dell D430 the battery/cpu stuff is perfect. | 04:56 |
| ScottK2 | I'm not suprised. | 04:56 |
| nixternal | I am sure there is a configuration somewhere that stuck between dist-upgrades during development cycles | 04:56 |
| ScottK2 | Actually I predicted that if he made a new account it'd be noticed before long. | 04:56 |
| nixternal | he committed an example of the end of pbuilder and it had his gothicx shell info in it | 04:57 |
| nixternal | what a moron | 04:57 |
| nixternal | he has me so pissed off it isn't even funny | 04:57 |
| crimsun_ | nixternal: 2 batteries seems like hal and not guidance*. | 04:58 |
| ScottK | Well he's staying out of my bugmail, so I'm happy. Glad it's you on the MC and not me. | 04:59 |
| nixternal | I swore I looked at hal and it was OK | 04:59 |
| ScottK2 | He seems to managing to stay out of my bugmail, so I'm happy. | 04:59 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 04:59 |
| nixternal | wrong button? | 04:59 |
| nixternal | must be switching puters | 04:59 |
| crimsun_ | note that hardy's current hal has fixed that but has introduced regressions in power reporting. I have posted test fixes with ~3 at http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/hal/ . This affects #194052 and #194719. | 04:59 |
| ScottK | No. I typed the ScottK2 comment on my laptop about 30 seconds before and gave up on IRC through it. | 04:59 |
| ScottK | Laggy as heck. | 05:00 |
| nixternal | is there a simple package that will give me xorg and what not for ubuntu-server | 05:01 |
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| nixternal | don't want any de stuff as I will build it from trunk/ | 05:01 |
| ScottK | My standard ubuntu-server answer is as soon as you install X, it's not a server any more. | 05:01 |
| nixternal | well I use server for my KDE 4 builds so I don't get all of that old qt3 stuff and kde3 apps | 05:02 |
| ScottK | Makes sense. I always build in a chroot of some kind. | 05:02 |
| nixternal | ya, trying to get qtwebkit to play nicely on a Kubuntu Hardy install isn't fun | 05:02 |
| nixternal | but it worked flawlessly on a server install | 05:03 |
| nixternal | and our qtwebkit package is so out of date | 05:03 |
| ScottK | Sounds like you need to write an FFe ... | 05:03 |
| nixternal | plus our decibel doesn't build, and that is because someone decided to sync it from Debian with their KDE 4 configurations | 05:03 |
| nixternal | thank god it FTBFS | 05:03 |
| nixternal | hrmm, does Debian use apparmor on their default installs? | 05:04 |
| nixternal | I just might go with Debian instead of Ubuntu server | 05:04 |
| ScottK | No. Debian has no apparmor packages at all. | 05:05 |
| nixternal | damn...trying to find a lenny net install iso | 05:06 |
| nixternal | it always takes me an hour to find it on their site | 05:06 |
| nixternal | my god our daily isos suck | 05:08 |
| ScottK | Good night all. | 05:16 |
| ScottK | Thanks for testing nixternal. | 05:16 |
| nixternal | g'nite, no prob | 05:16 |
| nixternal | someone hold me, I am scared | 06:29 |
| nixternal | Riddell: just so you know, I didn't get a chance to work on any of the kde4 packages this evening...got stuck reparing my booboo on my buildbox :) | 06:46 |
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| apachelogger | yuriy: I think you should create some bug reports about the kde4 alpha5 issues | 07:57 |
| hunger | Where does this damn scim applet come from again?! I killed everything containing scim and skim and then purged all packages that contained those two strings. Yet the damn applet keeps popping up and switching languages. | 09:04 |
| Tonio_ | hi | 09:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the translation for kde apps just broke | 09:10 |
| Tonio_ | it only concerns the menu bar, are you aware of the problem ? | 09:10 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no idea | 09:17 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: maybe bug 196106 ? | 09:18 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 196106 in language-pack-kde-de "context menu entry "Paste File" [and other dialogs] not translated into German (anymore)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196106 | 09:18 |
| Riddell | 08:58 < carlos> pitti: it's related with some data migration when we added native kde plural forms support | 09:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: same bug looks like....... I'll investigate toonight | 09:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah oki | 09:21 |
| * hunger had to log out again to get his keyboard settings back. | 09:26 | |
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| Hub441 | hi! | 10:11 |
| Hub441 | is there any reason why there is no fix for a simple packaging mistake for almost 5month now? see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146145 | 10:14 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 146145 in kdebluetooth "Can't recive files from cell phone" [Undecided,Fix released] | 10:14 |
| Tm_T | Hub441: "fix released" ? | 10:17 |
| Hub441 | Tm_T: fixed released for hardy not for gutsy | 10:18 |
| Tm_T | interesting | 10:18 |
| Hub441 | Tm_T: i appreaciate the efforts the dev took to update the package between the last rc and the final release but doing a packaging mistake and not fixing it any more just.. well, sucks | 10:19 |
| _StefanS_ | hey Tonio_ | 10:26 |
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: ping? | 10:26 |
| kwwii | _StefanS_: pong | 10:27 |
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: finally :) | 10:29 |
| kwwii | I looked for you last night...was gone most of sat | 10:29 |
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: oh, I was having some friends over last night, so I werent online | 10:29 |
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: oh well, do you want me to email the settings to you? | 10:29 |
| kwwii | _StefanS_: can't you commit them yourself? | 10:30 |
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: to bzr? yes maybe I can | 10:30 |
| kwwii | _StefanS_: to be honest, it has been awhile since I commited anything to that package...I'd probably ask a Riddell or someone as well :-) | 10:31 |
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: I just thought that you maybe was going approve it before it got comitted | 10:35 |
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: what about the wallpaper, does it need adjustments besides that you did initially? | 10:35 |
| * apachelogger is super informed about any package | 10:36 | |
| apachelogger | omg, coffee on the keyboard | 10:36 |
| * apachelogger starts crying | 10:36 | |
| kwwii | _StefanS_: I think that it is quite light, but I like it | 10:36 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: keep typing until its dry :) | 10:36 |
| kwwii | _StefanS_: we should probably talk about these changes at the next meeting | 10:36 |
| kwwii | get some feedback | 10:36 |
| _StefanS_ | kwwii: err.. so you want me commit them to k-d-s and then activate after the meeting? | 10:37 |
| apachelogger | _StefanS_: just don't push the changes until post-meeting | 10:37 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: alright.. | 10:38 |
| _StefanS_ | be back in 30mins | 10:39 |
| kwwii | _StefanS_: branch the package, commit your changes, push them...add this as in item for the next meeting | 10:40 |
| * serega waves | 10:53 | |
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| serega | darn, kubuntu-kde4 is very good! | 11:05 |
| _StefanS_ | serega: how is it good ? - just curious | 11:07 |
| serega | _StefanS_: it is really promising, imho | 11:08 |
| _StefanS_ | oh ok | 11:08 |
| _StefanS_ | serega: does the search in the kde4 kickoff menu work for you? my session crashes | 11:09 |
| _StefanS_ | serega: when using it | 11:09 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 11:11 |
| apachelogger | _StefanS_: is there a bug report? | 11:11 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: uhm I'm still investigating it, I just saw the bug now | 11:11 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: err.. now it works | 11:11 |
| * apachelogger likes it when other people track down issues :P | 11:11 | |
| apachelogger | nice | 11:12 |
| serega | _StefanS_: didn't try to search. I can just boot it at laptop and answer any your questions | 11:13 |
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| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: well its not a crash... its a looong wait. It happens if you're too impatient when logging in. I start typing search keywords in kickoff before the startup sound is done playing. It will hang for 40-50 secs | 11:14 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: guess its just a matter of some services not being all ready | 11:15 |
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| apachelogger | _StefanS_: actually, I think this is a very deep going issue | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | for some reason knotify can't be started at login | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | ...first try... | 11:19 |
| _StefanS_ | ah | 11:19 |
| apachelogger | and I think the reason for knotify being unstartable is exactly the same source of this search problem | 11:19 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm might be | 11:19 |
| _StefanS_ | ah well.. its probably something that will be looked at in the future, if its something deeper | 11:20 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: anyway, that kubuntu-kde4 package, is that on ppa? | 11:20 |
| serega | very strange... numerous read errors on laptop, I can't boot :-\ | 11:21 |
| apachelogger | _StefanS_: dunno, but considering stdin didn't backport, and I didn't backport either recently ... I doubt it | 11:21 |
| _StefanS_ | serega: maybe your harddrive is b0rked | 11:21 |
| serega | _StefanS_: thanks god no :) CD read errors | 11:21 |
| apachelogger | ktorrent is also out-of-date in the ppa | 11:21 |
| serega | it can be a kernel issue | 11:22 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: hmm what is that SKIM thingy that appeared on the recent kde3 update? | 11:23 |
| hunger | _StefanS_: input method applet for strange languages. | 11:26 |
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| hunger | s/strange/east asian/. Sorry. | 11:26 |
| _StefanS_ | apachelogger: what defines a strange language ? :D | 11:27 |
| hunger | _StefanS_: strange as in "with more characters than can comfortably fit on a keyboad". | 11:28 |
| apachelogger | ^_^ | 11:30 |
| hunger | Anyway that skim thingy is highly annoying. | 11:32 |
| _StefanS_ | yep, its gone now. | 11:32 |
| _StefanS_ | from my machine atleast | 11:32 |
| hunger | _StefanS_: How did you do that? | 11:32 |
| _StefanS_ | apt-get remove | 11:32 |
| hunger | I did that as well... but it still pops up occassionally. Only stopped after logging out/in. | 11:33 |
| hunger | s/pops/poped/ | 11:33 |
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| serega | does anybody know how to fix such situation? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/925905 | 12:00 |
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| Hobbsee | serega: what happens if you try to apply kubuntu_03_ioslaves_protocols.diff manually? | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | and why do you want to reverse patch it, anyway? | 12:03 |
| serega | Hobbsee: Hi, Sarah. | 12:03 |
| serega | Hobbsee: I just want do perform debuild -S | 12:03 |
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| serega | Hobbsee: I wonder why debuild tries to reverse all patches | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | serega: i see that. your patch is broken. is it already applied? | 12:04 |
| serega | Hobbsee: I did no changes in source, the only changes in ./debian/sime_script | 12:05 |
| serega | *some | 12:05 |
| Hobbsee | does that modify what the script then modifies? | 12:06 |
| serega | Hobbsee: not sure I follow you... The script is just for installing to target system it is not for package building/installation. | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | serega: can you put the source somewhere? | 12:08 |
| serega | Hobbsee: sure. But it will be ok if you make 'apt-get source kaffeine' and update that script and kaffeine. Current broken state of the package is the result of some my faulty actions. | 12:10 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 12:10 |
| Hobbsee | so the rest of the package doesn't need fixing. don't worry then | 12:11 |
| serega | Hobbsee: if this is not common problem of newbies I can just refresh the source and dig into manuals | 12:11 |
| serega | Hobbsee: thank you for your attention | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | patches don't tend to break, unless you do things to the directories they patch | 12:12 |
| Hobbsee | no problem | 12:12 |
| _StefanS_ | anyone know if file deletion in ext4 is faster than ext3? | 12:49 |
| ScottK | _StefanS_: I saw your question about my Klamav patch the other day, but haven't seen you since. | 13:24 |
| ScottK | _StefanS_: I sort of got it to work, but could use some more help if you have the time. | 13:25 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: I pinged you a few times :) anyway, what do you need help with ? | 13:26 |
| ScottK | _StefanS_: I got the U/I looking like I wanted it. The problem I have is that if you try and enable automatic update or if you have it (or the removed autoscanning function) enabled from a previous version, klamav will crash. | 13:27 |
| ScottK | _StefanS_: I never had any luck with getting a nostrip version to produce a useful traceback. | 13:27 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: like previously, make a screenshot of where the automatic update is | 13:28 |
| ScottK | _StefanS_: I was wondering if you would have another look at it and see if you can point me in the right direction (or maybe make a traceback I can use). | 13:28 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: I will have a look tonight | 13:28 |
| ScottK | _StefanS_: Will do. Is there an email address I can send this screenshot too? | 13:28 |
| ScottK | _StefanS_: Thanks again. I really appreciate the help. | 13:29 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: its no problem :) | 13:29 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: I like these small things | 13:30 |
| ScottK | Small maybe for someone with the right knowledge ... | 13:30 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: btw, I'm a bit puzzled as to why 'use export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip' and debuild after that, dont make you see the lines in the krash dialog (?!) | 13:30 |
| * ScottK too. | 13:30 | |
| ScottK | I'm suspecting I lacked another debug package for KDE, but I'm not sure. | 13:31 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm, you should see the symbols anyways.. but we can always look at that another time | 13:32 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: btw I need the download url again for the dget | 13:33 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: so I'll be working with your patched package | 13:33 |
| ScottK | _StefanS_: It's the one in Hardy. I uploaded it to make U/I freeze | 13:33 |
| ScottK | Bad me, I know. | 13:33 |
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 13:34 |
| _StefanS_ | thats fine | 13:34 |
| _StefanS_ | (for me atleast) | 13:34 |
| ScottK | This has the added bonus of forcing me to actually get this worked out. | 13:35 |
| _StefanS_ | yes, and you can always just pretend you're working overtime on something important for your work ;) | 13:35 |
| _StefanS_ | to get time off from the kids + wife hehe | 13:36 |
| jjesse | morning | 13:52 |
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| Jucato | moin jjesse! | 13:52 |
| jjesse | evening Jucato | 13:54 |
| nareshov | heh | 13:54 |
| Jucato | yay! he didn't mistake me for jussi01! | 13:54 |
| * jussi01 whacks Jucato | 13:54 | |
| jussi01 | I still got hilighted... | 13:54 |
| jussi01 | LOL | 13:54 |
| Jucato | that was my intention :) | 13:54 |
| nareshov | :P | 13:55 |
| jjesse | :P | 13:55 |
| * ryanakca wonders if Kubuntu has a color palette | 14:00 | |
| * ryanakca wonders using the oxygen one for the website | 14:01 | |
| Jucato | ryanakca: we seem to change color palettes every release anyway :) | 14:01 |
| ryanakca | Jucato: I know... *wonders what the hardy one is* | 14:02 |
| * ryanakca doesn't think he's used KDE3 since early january :) | 14:02 | |
| Jucato | heh | 14:03 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: we don't, oxygen one is good | 14:05 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: okies | 14:06 |
| aos101 | I've put a patch on the KDE bug tracker for bug 93878. It's only a minor GUI bug, but do you think it could make it into Hardy or is it not worth it for something so minor? | 14:13 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 93878 in kdeadmin "The "up" and "down" buttons in the DNS configuration have very low quality icons" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93878 | 14:13 |
| Riddell | hi aos101 | 14:16 |
| Riddell | that should be fine | 14:16 |
| Riddell | the best fix is to not to embedded images but use the normal icon loader but that's a KDE 4 job (if the issue is still relevant there) | 14:16 |
| aos101 | Yeah I thought it would be better if it would use the icon from the current theme also, but I didn't know how to do that. Presumably that would involve some code instead of just changing the .ui file. | 14:18 |
| aos101 | Do I need to do anything or will someone upload the change sometime? (I'm a bit new to all this) | 14:19 |
| Riddell | aos101: I'm uploading it now | 14:21 |
| Riddell | aos101: or I can take you through making a debdiff if you want the launchpad karma | 14:22 |
| aos101 | I'm not bothered either way. I've played with debdiffs a little before, and I think they're fairly straight forward. | 14:23 |
| aos101 | Whatever is easier for you guys really. | 14:23 |
| Riddell | aos101: I'll just upload then, thanks | 14:26 |
| Riddell | there she goes | 14:27 |
| aos101 | Cool, thanks. I'm just glad to see my (very simple) fix make into the OS I use :-) | 14:27 |
| Riddell | so dudes, what do we want on our CD covers? | 14:45 |
| nosrednaekim | I think the should have "kubuntu" on it:) | 14:46 |
| sebas | THey won't do naked girls again, I suppose? | 14:47 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: A background image ;) | 14:47 |
| nosrednaekim | sebas» they'd probably do naked dragons.... | 14:48 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: is our moto the same as the Ubuntu one? I'd pass on having people's faces on them (like Ubuntu has every year). Also, if I'm not mistaken, we've had a gear on them since 6.06 (no way of verifying, I gave all my CDs away), so maybe try something different? | 14:50 |
| * ScottK would suggest a Kubuntuized version of some of the KDE4 promotion artwork. | 14:51 | |
| * ScottK thought some of that was pretty good. | 14:51 | |
| ryanakca | ScottK: yeah | 14:51 |
| nosrednaekim | can we have a screenshot of a kde4 desktop for the kde4 one?.... thats more beautiful than any artwork :) | 14:52 |
| ryanakca | For the website. Should a, a:visited be darker, lighter; lighter, darker; or same color? Colors are pulled from http://www.oxygen-icons.org/wp-content/themes/oxy/images/figure4.png . darker = 6th row, 2nd from right on Normal. lighter = 6th row, furthest right on Normal | 14:56 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: I'd use default web colours unless there's a reason not to | 14:59 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: if I'm not mistaken, different browsers might have slightly different default colors for links. Also, a:visited as purple (IE jumps to mind) would clash with our pretty blue :) | 15:00 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: why not turn Konq into nessie for the cover :) | 15:01 |
| ryanakca | lol | 15:01 |
| Jussio1 | apachelogger: hei, you around? | 15:04 |
| * Jussio1 is playing with quassel | 15:04 | |
| ScottK | Riddell: Are you OK with what I proposed on kubuntu-devel for mountconfig and Py QT3 (assuming no one reports problems)? | 15:06 |
| Riddell | hi ScottK, thanks for looking into that, let me read it over again | 15:06 |
| ScottK | I didn't mention it in the mail, but I'll take care of Debian/upstream bug reporting too. | 15:08 |
| apachelogger | Jucato: ahoy | 15:08 |
| Jucato | oy! :) | 15:08 |
| Riddell | ScottK: does anything use kdedesigner? | 15:08 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: try Jussio1 | 15:08 |
| Jussio1 | lol | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | hm | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | Jussio1: sup? | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | Jucato: how are you? | 15:09 |
| Jucato | :D | 15:09 |
| Jucato | doing ok. except for the fact that Jussio1/jussi01 and I are mostly mistaken for each other :) | 15:09 |
| Jussio1 | apachelogger: are you one of the quassel devs, or just packager/maintainer? | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | Jucato: huh, who does do such things? | 15:10 |
| Jucato | :D | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | Jussio1: just packag0r | 15:10 |
| nosrednaekim | #quassel is VERY helpful | 15:10 |
| Jussio1 | nosrednaekim: tanks, just joined | 15:11 |
| * apachelogger is pushing a new neon builds | 15:11 | |
| apachelogger | nosrednaekim: pffft, that sounds like I wasn't helpful :P | 15:12 |
| Jussio1 | apachelogger: ahh, ok, just had a small bug or 2 | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | uhh, they probably are features :P | 15:12 |
| Jussio1 | lol | 15:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Not as far as I can tell. | 15:16 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I grepped the source for references to it and didn't find any. | 15:17 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Since upstream doesn't have the same -dev package splits we do, I doubt they ever notice. | 15:17 |
| Riddell | ScottK: go ahead then | 15:19 |
| ryanakca | hmm, for a cheesy CD cover, we could have a pretty semi see through globe, made in KDE colors, and have a heron flying across it... | 15:20 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Will do (after the Alpha). | 15:20 |
| Riddell | alpha? | 15:20 |
| ScottK | The Alpha 6 milestone sched for Thursday. | 15:20 |
| ScottK | I figure on waiting until that to do it since I'm touching two packages in Main for non-alpha milestoned bugs. | 15:21 |
| * ryanakca crunches so that we can get the website at about the same time as release | 15:21 | |
| Riddell | oh jings, we're onto two week alpha | 15:21 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: that'll need coordination with sysadmin | 15:22 |
| ryanakca | Release is the last Thursday of April, correct? | 15:22 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: ah yes :) | 15:22 |
| Riddell | April 24th | 15:22 |
| davmor2 | thursday alpha 6 :) | 15:22 |
| ScottK | OTOH, since I just updated my Hardy laptop displayconfig crashes for me, so I can actually work on that one and may have something before the alpha for that. | 15:23 |
| Riddell | ScottK: well I"developers are asked to refrain from | 15:23 |
| Riddell | uploading packages between Tuesday and Thursday" | 15:23 |
| Riddell | so quick quick! | 15:23 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: yes, it won't be up the day of release, because the sysadmins are going crazy with the increase of traffic, etc. But I'm hoping within a week of release. If I can get it done soon, I can tarball the document root, run a mysql dump and send it to them for whenever they get a chance to install it. | 15:24 |
| ScottK | Hopefully tonight. I'm about to head out for a $WORK Meeting. | 15:24 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: It's amazing how quickly this release cycle is going... | 15:24 |
| ryanakca | worse comes to worse they only put it up after UDS, but I can live with that too :) | 15:25 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: week before would be better if possible | 15:25 |
| Riddell | davmor2: I agree! | 15:25 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: okies. The theming part is done I think... I'm just looking for things that might be leftover from ubuntu.com ... if you know of somebody who wants to help port content, that would be helpful :) | 15:26 |
| Riddell | must of the content can be consolidated | 15:27 |
| Riddell | much | 15:27 |
| ryanakca | ? | 15:27 |
| Riddell | I think the new package announcements can all go on one page | 15:28 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/effects/ - new version as requested by nosrednaekim | 15:29 |
| Riddell | ooh, thanks jpatrick | 15:32 |
| Riddell | uploaded | 15:33 |
| jpatrick | awesome, thanks | 15:34 |
| * jpatrick is off till... his ISP brings back his connection | 15:47 | |
| TommyH | hallo everybody! congrats for the work! As soon as I'll have some time, I'll try to help you if it's needed | 15:56 |
| Riddell | hi TommyH! | 15:57 |
| TommyH | :-) | 15:57 |
| TommyH | don't know if I can help... I coded in C, now mostly php-asp... once upon a time, ASM... | 15:58 |
| nixternal | mornin' | 16:34 |
| manchicken | http://manchicken.com/gallery/albums/userpics/hpim0167_resized.jpg | 16:35 |
| manchicken | Oh yeah. | 16:36 |
| Riddell | manchicken: blog it! | 16:37 |
| Riddell | that child is going to be so embarraced in 15 years time :) | 16:37 |
| manchicken | Will do. | 16:37 |
| manchicken | No way. Kubuntu is nothing to be ashamed of. | 16:38 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: that or in your job :) | 16:38 |
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| nixternal | manchicken: I should take a picture of me wearing that same outfit :) | 16:43 |
| nixternal | groovy pic | 16:43 |
| manchicken | heh | 16:44 |
| manchicken | It are blogged. | 16:44 |
| Riddell | manchicken: wherever did you get that? | 16:51 |
| ryanakca | manchicken: you're missing a y to gallery in your post. | 16:51 |
| nixternal | Riddell: probably cafepress | 16:52 |
| manchicken | Am I? | 16:52 |
| manchicken | Yeah, I got it from cafepress | 16:52 |
| manchicken | found it, fixed it. | 16:54 |
| ryanakca | lol, common sense is an obsolete skill :) | 16:54 |
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| Riddell | hunger: does anything use libdecibel0.6.0 except decibel and kdenetwork? | 17:23 |
| hunger | Riddell: I doubt it. | 17:26 |
| hunger | Riddell: I would be surprised if kdenetwork used it already. | 17:26 |
| Riddell | ./CMakeLists.txt:macro_optional_find_package(Decibel) | 17:27 |
| Riddell | "Used by the Kopete telepathy protocol." | 17:28 |
| hunger | Riddell: Oh, didn't know that. | 17:28 |
| nixternal | Riddell: have you seen the Decibel FTBFS we have in Hardy right now? | 17:29 |
| nixternal | for some reason we attempted to sync from Debian | 17:29 |
| hunger | Riddell: I'd just disable decibel in kde 4.0.x in your place. | 17:30 |
| hunger | Riddell: It is not offically supported there. | 17:30 |
| Riddell | nixternal: yeah, I'm looking at that now | 17:30 |
| hunger | Riddell: If somebody complains (which I doubt) you can send them over to #decibel;-) | 17:31 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I was looking at it and it was giving me a headache | 17:32 |
| nixternal | I thought the original package installed normally and didn't do the KDE4 install | 17:33 |
| serega | Riddell: Hey, Jonathan. I have found that the kubuntu_03_ioslaves_protocols.diff patch of kaffeine is -p1 and it breaks package build in some cases (on clean). Should I fix it? | 17:33 |
| Riddell | original package? | 17:33 |
| hunger | Riddell: The kde4 integration had a problem for a while.... maybe that is killing you? Try setting INTEGRATION_OVERRIDE_DIR to simplistic to fix it. | 17:33 |
| nixternal | Riddell: ya, I did the initial package for decibel last year I thought..though I might be thinking of something else | 17:34 |
| hunger | s/fix/work around/. | 17:34 |
| Riddell | hunger: what does that do? | 17:34 |
| Riddell | serega: I would expect the problem is the added translation domain lines | 17:34 |
| hunger | It turns off kde4 integration in favour of using the simplistic file based stuff. | 17:34 |
| hunger | If the package is older than a couple of weeks that this is the problem, then kde4 and simplistic will not differ anyway;-) | 17:35 |
| hunger | s/that/and/ | 17:35 |
| * hunger is heading home... see you later/tomorrow. | 17:36 | |
| Riddell | thanks hunger | 17:36 |
| * Riddell hugs kde 4.0.2 for fixing kded4 and the konsole control-q annoying thing | 17:41 | |
| Riddell | hmm, control-s control-q thing is still there | 17:42 |
| serega | Riddell: can I fix all such patch warnings? (Hunk #1 succeeded at 2859 (offset 96 lines). | 18:06 |
| serega | Riddell: what the changelog entry should be if I can? | 18:10 |
| Riddell | serega: I tend not to bother but you can if it annoys you, I'm not sure of the easiest way to do it, maybe just cdbs-edit-patch | 18:14 |
| Riddell | changelog is just "rebuild patches" or similar | 18:15 |
| serega | Riddell: thank you | 18:15 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I've uploaded a quick fix that doesn't include the kde bits | 18:28 |
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| Riddell | I don't think there's an easy way to do anything else | 18:29 |
| Riddell | installing to /usr/lib/kde4 would be an option but it didn't want to compile forme | 18:29 |
| nixternal | Riddell: same here | 18:32 |
| nixternal | issue with QtTapioca right? | 18:32 |
| nixternal | I think the only way I got it to compile for installation into /usr/lib/kde4 was I commented out DEB_CMAKE_PREFIX, hard coded the paths up top | 18:34 |
| nixternal | or maybe it was something with RPATH in the CMake files...can't remember now | 18:34 |
| Riddell | nixternal: yes | 18:37 |
| Riddell | doesn't link to QtTapioca even though it is told to | 18:38 |
| nixternal | ya, I couldn't figure that one out | 18:38 |
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| serega | god, cdbs-edit-patch rocks! this are MUCH easier with it :) | 19:18 |
| Riddell | it can be handy yes | 19:19 |
| Riddell | pitti is the one to hug there | 19:20 |
| * serega hugs pitti strongly | 19:22 | |
| === smarter__ is now known as smarter | ||
| hunger | ho | 20:05 |
| DaSkreech | yo | 20:06 |
| jussi01 | hunger: now now you shouldnt go round calling people that :P | 20:06 |
| hunger | jussi01: ? | 20:07 |
| DaSkreech | Matt stil rubbing raw on Decibel? | 20:07 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: I guess so:-) | 20:07 |
| hunger | But I have not seen a reply to my mail from this morning yet. | 20:07 |
| DaSkreech | It's kinda tricky though since it's a shared process if you have already gotten over the pain it's little utility to port right now | 20:08 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: you go round spending lots of time building a cool and and then there shows up some guy and says he'll do everything differently;-) | 20:08 |
| DaSkreech | a cool what? :) | 20:08 |
| DaSkreech | Cause that can be from Matt's point of view as well | 20:08 |
| hunger | a cool chat app. Sorry. | 20:08 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah I know Sho is having the same issue as well | 20:09 |
| DaSkreech | What's the groovy goodness for him to port Konversation to Decibel | 20:09 |
| hunger | Anyway, I have been telling about the app starting and filtering and stuff at two akademies now, so it is nothing new. | 20:09 |
| seele | DaSkreech: you pinged me? | 20:09 |
| DaSkreech | seele: All the time :) | 20:09 |
| seele | hey now, hehe | 20:09 |
| seele | whats up | 20:09 |
| hunger | DaSkreech: The greater good. What else? | 20:09 |
| DaSkreech | seele: Wanted to kontinue the diskkusion on kard sorting | 20:10 |
| DaSkreech | When you have time :-) | 20:10 |
| seele | what did you want to know? | 20:13 |
| DaSkreech | Do I have to limit it? | 20:13 |
| seele | well i'm not an ebook! | 20:13 |
| DaSkreech | seele: since you seem to be in mix of eternal busy do you have any links? | 20:13 |
| DaSkreech | mmm eBook | 20:13 |
| DaSkreech | seele: not with DRM at least :) | 20:14 |
| DaSkreech | We are being asked at work to do some Govt FOSS training | 20:15 |
| DaSkreech | I'm wondering if Card sorting might help | 20:15 |
| seele | card sorting of what? training topics? | 20:15 |
| DaSkreech | Well they are a) kinda dumb when it comes to IT and b) of really varied jobs so that we may need to figure out the expectations they have | 20:16 |
| DaSkreech | From what you described I think that may be helpful for us | 20:17 |
| DaSkreech | Most of our training is more short term so I was interested in card sorting but didn't have a grasp of where we would use it in out workflow | 20:19 |
| DaSkreech | They asked us to train on Openoffice and "open Source Adminstration" for front and backend | 20:20 |
| seele | what is it exactly you are doing? | 20:20 |
| DaSkreech | So I don't know what they want I don't know if they do either | 20:20 |
| seele | i'm not sure i see where card sorting fits in. | 20:20 |
| seele | what are you building/designing? | 20:21 |
| DaSkreech | me either :) | 20:21 |
| DaSkreech | seele: systems for differnt depts | 20:21 |
| DaSkreech | No idea what for yet | 20:22 |
| DaSkreech | We do FOSS consultation for companies which need a better workflow or cheaper solutions | 20:22 |
| DaSkreech | so we build things to go along with or strengthen the organizations workflow | 20:23 |
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| DaSkreech | Normally that comes along with training | 20:23 |
| === smarter__ is now known as smarter | ||
| DaSkreech | this is perhaps the first time I can think of us being called in to do training and then later build a system | 20:24 |
| === smarter is now known as smarter__ | ||
| === smarter__ is now known as smarter | ||
| seele | so do you need help organizing the training? card sorting is sortof a librarian method to help organize stuff | 20:25 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hey, just sent you the updated buttons | 20:26 |
| DaSkreech | well I was thinking of the way of splitting the groups into training classes based on what they need to learn | 20:29 |
| ryanakca | woah, KDE4 is slow all of a sudden | 20:31 |
| DaSkreech | seele: Plus I'm kinda just interested in having it explained :) | 20:33 |
| jussi01 | ryanakca: all of a sudden? its always been slow here :( | 20:36 |
| ryanakca | jussi01: hmmm... I guess uninstalling a program while its still running wasn't so good an idea :) | 20:39 |
| fdoving | ryanakca: check if kded4 uses alot of cpu. i find that nepomuk server is a cpu hog sometimes. | 20:42 |
| ryanakca | fdoving: konsole is using the most CPU, 5.3% | 20:44 |
| fdoving | oh. that's not much. | 20:44 |
| ryanakca | however, Xorg and kwin are using lots of MEM. 13.2% and 11.9% respectively | 20:44 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: oooh, I see. that ugly grey box in KDE4 is because compositing was off :) | 20:45 |
| fdoving | ryanakca: my kwin only use 57M. or 0.8% of 2G. | 20:46 |
| ryanakca | fdoving: lol, I only have 512M of ram, so 11.9% of 512M... about 43M | 20:47 |
| fdoving | oh, not that much then. | 20:47 |
| fdoving | go buy more, it's not that expensive now. | 20:47 |
| DaSkreech | seele: if you are uplater I can try and poke atta you | 20:48 |
| DaSkreech | assuming the money market is flat | 20:48 |
| ryanakca | fdoving: my net worth is < 600$... I've only recently turned the legal working age over here... I'm going to go job hunting next week, so I guess I'll be able to get more ram in a few weeks :) | 20:48 |
| fdoving | ryanakca: nice :) | 20:49 |
| fdoving | 1G is way better than 512. that's a noticeable upgrade, imho. | 20:49 |
| * ryanakca nods. I think I can get 2x1G for ~ 125$ | 20:50 | |
| fdoving | 1G - 2G is not that much a difference. only thing i've noticed is that hibernation is slower. :) | 20:50 |
| ryanakca | hmm... | 20:50 |
| ryanakca | okies :) | 20:51 |
| === uga is now known as uga|away | ||
| nixternal | Riddell: should the new extragear package be renamed to libksane-kde4-x.x.x? | 20:51 |
| * ryanakca debates on going for XHTML 1.0 Strict or HTML 4.01 Strict | 20:51 | |
| DaSkreech | btw are we divorcing KATE in KDE4 ? | 20:52 |
| nixternal | no | 20:52 |
| * DaSkreech hugs kate :) | 20:52 | |
| nixternal | why would we do such a thing? | 20:52 |
| * jussi01 huggles kate | 20:52 | |
| nixternal | Kate is the greatest | 20:53 |
| DaSkreech | It's no longer KDE4's default text editor | 20:53 |
| ryanakca | whats the default? kwrite? | 20:53 |
| nixternal | just like konqi isn't the default file manager | 20:53 |
| * DaSkreech puts ina vote for Katie ;) | 20:53 | |
| nixternal | simplicity was chosen for default | 20:53 |
| * nosrednaekim <3 KATE | 20:53 | |
| nixternal | and kate moved from base to kdesdk | 20:53 |
| Riddell | nixternal: we don't seem to have an existing libksane package, so I don't much mind | 20:54 |
| nixternal | OK, just wanted to make sure first | 20:55 |
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| serega | goodnight all | 21:52 |
| nixternal | note to self: when creating new KDE 4 packages, remember to not forget cmake in the build-depends | 21:59 |
| * ScottK boggles. | 22:04 | |
| ScottK | We moved from Kate to Kwrite for simplicity? | 22:04 |
| nixternal | looks like it...for simple text editing, all anyone needs is KWrite | 22:05 |
| DaSkreech | ScottK: Define We | 22:05 |
| nixternal | those who are doing coding and what not will open up Kate | 22:05 |
| nosrednaekim | eh.. what? | 22:05 |
| nixternal | Kate has become a little stronger in KDE 4 than it was in KDE 3 | 22:05 |
| nixternal | s/stronger/more powerful I guess | 22:05 |
| ScottK | OK. On KDE3 Kwrite never struck me as simpler than Kate. | 22:06 |
| nixternal | well, simpler as in it doesn't have all of the options that Kate has | 22:07 |
| nixternal | a notepad is a notepad is a notepad, and I guess that is the role KWrite fulfills with a smaller footprint I guess | 22:07 |
| nixternal | I use KWrite all of the time, only use Kate for a couple of things now | 22:07 |
| DaSkreech | !info glest hardy | 22:08 |
| ubotu | glest (source: glest): A free 3D real-time customizable strategy game. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.0.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 436 kB, installed size 1252 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 ia64 mipsel arm alpha kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64) | 22:08 |
| nosrednaekim | but is Kate going to be on the liveCD? | 22:09 |
| ScottK | Maybe I'm just odd, but Kate made immediate sense to me and Kwrite just confuses me (in KDE3). | 22:09 |
| DaSkreech | I'm thinking you may not be the arget audience :) | 22:12 |
| nixternal | ScottK and Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=libksane <- ack it and lets go! :) | 22:14 |
| nixternal | err, only one of you has to ack it, first come first serve then! | 22:15 |
| ScottK | Got FFe? | 22:15 |
| nixternal | thought we had an open one for KDE 4? | 22:15 |
| nixternal | if not, then you need to tell your MOTU-Release people to stop telling us otherwise | 22:15 |
| ScottK | Actually no. No one ever asked for one. I've suggested it several times | 22:15 |
| ScottK | Maybe I missed it. | 22:16 |
| nixternal | ya, why nobody answered your request was beyond me | 22:16 |
| nixternal | I can whip up one really quick, or you can just use the bug report I created that the package will close..granted it is a needs packaging boog, but it answers the questions you will have I am sure | 22:16 |
| nixternal | that is my first library package too, so be gentle | 22:17 |
| nixternal | though it is a small but important library for anything dealing with kipi | 22:17 |
| nixternal | before it can be uploaded though, the kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.0.1) needs to be changed to (>= 4:4.0.2) | 22:18 |
| nixternal | ScottK: how should I go about filing an open FFe for KDE 4 stuff? I am going to need it in 5 minutes to upload all of these new extragear packages for 4.0.2 | 22:19 |
| * DaSkreech should file a kipi SoC | 22:20 | |
| ScottK | nixternal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-sounds/+bug/192535 is a good sample. | 22:21 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 192535 in usplash-theme-ubuntustudio "FF: General exception for Ubuntustudio packages." [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 22:21 |
| nosrednaekim | DaSkreech» a what? | 22:23 |
| DaSkreech | nosrednaekim: SoC is open KDE has a wiki page up for projects | 22:23 |
| hunger | Oh, cool. Decibel has build. | 22:23 |
| nosrednaekim | oh... summer of code...right :) | 22:23 |
| hunger | nosrednaekim: There are a couple of really nice decibel projects up there;-) | 22:24 |
| nosrednaekim | I don't know C++ so thats out for me | 22:24 |
| DaSkreech | I'm out | 22:25 |
| ScottK | Is skim starting automagically now on purpose (in en-US)? | 22:32 |
| hunger | ScottK: Everybody else has purged the damn thing already... | 22:33 |
| nosrednaekim | ok.... this is getting annoying... search this : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=mYy&q=kubuntu+summerofcode+ideas&btnG=Search | 22:33 |
| nosrednaekim | and see what it suggests! | 22:33 |
| ScottK | hunger: I suspect we ought to find out why it's running and get it stopped. | 22:34 |
| hunger | ScottK: It keapt randomly switching to some strange input method. I have no time for that stuff. | 22:35 |
| jjesse | is it bad if i'm just starting to work on a presenation i'm giving tomorrow on a subject i know nothing about | 22:37 |
| nixternal | ScottK: roger that, I will go ahead and file one for KDE 4 then for us | 22:39 |
| hunger | jjesse: The worst preparation I had was when a coworker asked me whether I could take over a presentation for him. I said sure, when. He replied in 25min. | 22:39 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Great. I'll ack it no problem. I don't imagine the 2nd one will be hard to get either. | 22:39 |
| jjesse | hunger: that's awesome | 22:43 |
| jjesse | at least i have tomorrow | 22:43 |
| jjesse | and an early flight at 5:30am :( | 22:43 |
| ScottK | Once I was preparing a presentation for a customer (this is back when we still had to print them on acetate and project them) and the printer was slow and things were running late. | 22:45 |
| ScottK | It was time to go and it wasn't done. | 22:45 |
| jjesse | wow that's crazy | 22:45 |
| ScottK | So I handed him the stuff that was done and said "Here's the first half. Talk slow." | 22:45 |
| jjesse | the person i'm co-presenting with caleld me today and had no clue what he was supposed to present on | 22:45 |
| ScottK | I once had to give a presentation I'd never seen before. | 22:46 |
| ScottK | I was familliar with the topic, so it wasn't hard to improvise, but it was interesting. | 22:46 |
| jjesse_ | wow wirelesses is crappy today | 22:58 |
| nixternal | ScottK: you want me to go ahead and Confirm/Wishlist each package affected? | 23:11 |
| nixternal | I am going to add a *-kde4 in the comments so I don't have to list every KDE 4 package if that is OK | 23:11 |
| ScottK | nixternal: No. Need two motu-release acks. | 23:11 |
| nixternal | we have a bunch of KDE 4 packages already | 23:11 |
| nixternal | OK then | 23:11 |
| ScottK | Fine with me. As long as it's clear what's covered. | 23:12 |
| nixternal | any special tags needed for FF report | 23:13 |
| nixternal | and we will need the 2 motu-release acks asap, as we need to get these packages all complete within in next few hours, which some have already been uploaded :) | 23:14 |
| jjesse_ | you don't ask for much do you? | 23:15 |
| jjesse_ | nixternal: you are a motu now right? | 23:15 |
| nixternal | ya | 23:15 |
| nixternal | ScottK: bug 198178 is all you I think :) | 23:17 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 198178 in kdewebdev-kde4 "FF: General Exception for KDE 4 packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198178 | 23:17 |
| * nixternal notes that motu-release need better documentation | 23:17 | |
| nixternal | hrmm, Henrik said I have been registered on the QA site for 38 weeks...I thought I just signed up for the brainstorm stuff...interesting | 23:18 |
| ScottK | nixternal: It's a wiki. Go for it. | 23:19 |
| nixternal | I knew you would say that | 23:19 |
| nixternal | I hate wikis just for that reason :p | 23:19 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Ack #1 done. | 23:20 |
| nixternal | heh, if the bossman tells me to upload, do I still need an FF? :p | 23:20 |
| nixternal | I was just going to do something and now I can't remember | 23:24 |
| nixternal | oh ya, revu that libksane people :p | 23:24 |
| === nosredna_ekim is now known as nosrednaekim | ||
| * nixternal points that revu has a cool new feature...it is called libksane :p | 23:58 | |
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