[01:41] <nixternal> man is it warm in Chicago tonight
[01:42]  * Hobbsee dumps ice on nixternal 
[01:45] <nixternal> no doubt..I just went outside and messed around in the yard with the dog, and I started to sweat...totally unheard of
[01:45] <nixternal> we have severe weather tonight turning into yet another snow storm tomorrow
[01:45]  * nixternal throws a snowball at jjesse 
[03:39] <nixternal> Riddell: are we going to apply for GSoC this year?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> he's probably way asleep by now....
[03:40] <nixternal> oh I know, but when he wakes up he can respond :)
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> but I hope so! I want to do a project :)
[04:22] <yuriy> nixternal: idea page is in the topic, i would think that's a yes
[04:40] <ScottK> Debian is doing it.  You could always apply through Debian and then Kubuntu gets it too.
[04:43] <ScottK> Any of you see my mail to kubuntu-devel?
[04:45] <nixternal> the qt3 email?
[04:46] <ScottK> Yeah
[04:46] <ScottK> More precisely the please test my mountconfig changes in my PPA email.
[04:46] <nixternal> I would need KDE 3.5.9 to test that right?
[04:47] <ScottK> KDE3 something.
[04:47] <ScottK> Yeah.
[04:47] <nixternal> guess I would have to install KDE 3 then
[04:47] <ScottK> You're probably no help then.
[04:47] <nixternal> since I just accidentally wiped it
[04:47] <ScottK> Bah.
[04:47] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:47]  * ScottK will just upload the changes next week.
[04:47] <nixternal> oh wait, I still have KDE 3 on this laptop
[04:47] <nixternal> how do I go about testing mountconfig
[04:47] <nixternal> I forget about this laptop still having KDE 3
[04:48] <ScottK2> Install be version from my PPA (linkage in the mail) and run mountconfig.  See if it works OK for you.
[04:48] <nixternal> roger that
[04:52] <nixternal> OK, before I install this, I just ran mountconfig and it opened the Disks & Filesystems window
[04:52] <nixternal> will I notice any difference between the old and new?
[04:52] <ScottK2> If you do, it's a problem.  It should be just the same.
[04:52] <nixternal> survey says
[04:53] <nixternal> its the same
[04:53] <nixternal> so I guess it works then
[04:53] <nixternal> but it worked for me prior to the update
[04:53] <nixternal> don't know how good of a test case I was
[04:54] <ScottK2> Right, but the package you just tested removed some code that was driving bogus changes in the Py QT3 package.
[04:54] <nixternal> gotcha
[04:54] <ScottK2> So it's not a change to fix mountconfig but to allow me to fix Py QT3
[04:54] <nixternal> Guidance has never worked for me anyways
[04:54] <ScottK2> It does well enough for me in Gutsy/Hardy.  Feisty wasn't so fun.
[04:55] <nixternal> it did work for me a long time ago, maybe Edgy, but all of the dist-upgrades since then and has been useless
[04:55] <ScottK2> BTW, I read the MC call minutes.  Did Kmos make a new LP account for himself?
[04:55] <nixternal> reports 2 batteries, doesn't do CPU scaling or show my CPU speed
[04:55] <nixternal> ya he did
[04:55] <ScottK2> Someone turned him in?
[04:56] <nixternal> someone noticed the similarities
[04:56] <nixternal> and then he set himself out with one of his commits under the other account
[04:56] <ScottK2> On my Dell D430 the battery/cpu stuff is perfect.
[04:56] <ScottK2> I'm not suprised.
[04:56] <nixternal> I am sure there is a configuration somewhere that stuck between dist-upgrades during development cycles
[04:56] <ScottK2> Actually I predicted that if he made a new account it'd be noticed before long.
[04:57] <nixternal> he committed an example of the end of pbuilder and it had his gothicx shell info in it
[04:57] <nixternal> what a moron
[04:57] <nixternal> he has me so pissed off it isn't even funny
[04:58] <crimsun_> nixternal: 2 batteries seems like hal and not guidance*.
[04:59] <ScottK> Well he's staying out of my bugmail, so I'm happy.  Glad it's you on the MC and not me.
[04:59] <nixternal> I swore I looked at hal and it was OK
[04:59] <ScottK2> He seems to managing to stay out of my bugmail, so I'm happy.
[04:59] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:59] <nixternal> wrong button?
[04:59] <nixternal> must be switching puters
[04:59] <crimsun_> note that hardy's current hal has fixed that but has introduced regressions in power reporting.  I have posted test fixes with ~3 at http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/hal/ .  This affects #194052 and #194719.
[04:59] <ScottK> No.  I typed the ScottK2 comment on my laptop about 30 seconds before and gave up on IRC through it.
[05:00] <ScottK> Laggy as heck.
[05:01] <nixternal> is there a simple package that will give me xorg and what not for ubuntu-server
[05:01] <nixternal> don't want any de stuff as I will build it from trunk/
[05:01] <ScottK> My standard ubuntu-server answer is as soon as you install X, it's not a server any more.
[05:02] <nixternal> well I use server for my KDE 4 builds so I don't get all of that old qt3 stuff and kde3 apps
[05:02] <ScottK> Makes sense.  I always build in a chroot of some kind.
[05:02] <nixternal> ya, trying to get qtwebkit to play nicely on a Kubuntu Hardy install isn't fun
[05:03] <nixternal> but it worked flawlessly on a server install
[05:03] <nixternal> and our qtwebkit package is so out of date
[05:03] <ScottK> Sounds like you need to write an FFe ...
[05:03] <nixternal> plus our decibel doesn't build, and that is because someone decided to sync it from Debian with their KDE 4 configurations
[05:03] <nixternal> thank god it FTBFS
[05:04] <nixternal> hrmm, does Debian use apparmor on their default installs?
[05:04] <nixternal> I just might go with Debian instead of Ubuntu server
[05:05] <ScottK> No.  Debian has no apparmor packages at all.
[05:06] <nixternal> damn...trying to find a lenny net install iso
[05:06] <nixternal> it always takes me an hour to find it on their site
[05:08] <nixternal> my god our daily isos suck
[05:16] <ScottK> Good night all.
[05:16] <ScottK> Thanks for testing nixternal.
[05:16] <nixternal> g'nite, no prob
[06:29] <nixternal> someone hold me, I am scared
[06:46] <nixternal> Riddell: just so you know, I didn't get a chance to work on any of the kde4 packages this evening...got stuck reparing my booboo on my buildbox :)
[07:57] <apachelogger> yuriy: I think you should create some bug reports about the kde4 alpha5 issues
[09:04] <hunger> Where does this damn scim applet come from again?! I killed everything containing scim and skim and then purged all packages that contained those two strings. Yet the damn applet keeps popping up and switching languages.
[09:10] <Tonio_> hi
[09:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: the translation for kde apps just broke
[09:10] <Tonio_> it only concerns the menu bar, are you aware of the problem ?
[09:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: no idea
[09:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: maybe bug 196106 ?
[09:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196106 in language-pack-kde-de "context menu entry "Paste File" [and other dialogs] not translated into German (anymore)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196106
[09:18] <Riddell> 08:58 < carlos> pitti: it's related with some data migration when we added native kde plural forms support
[09:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: same bug looks like....... I'll investigate toonight
[09:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah oki
[09:26]  * hunger had to log out again to get his keyboard settings back.
[10:11] <Hub441> hi!
[10:14] <Hub441> is there any reason why there is no fix for a simple packaging mistake for almost 5month now? see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146145
[10:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146145 in kdebluetooth "Can't recive files from cell phone" [Undecided,Fix released]
[10:17] <Tm_T> Hub441: "fix released" ?
[10:18] <Hub441> Tm_T: fixed released for hardy not for gutsy
[10:18] <Tm_T> interesting
[10:19] <Hub441> Tm_T: i appreaciate the efforts the dev took to update the package between the last rc and the final release but doing a packaging mistake and not fixing it any more just.. well, sucks
[10:26] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_
[10:26] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping?
[10:27] <kwwii> _StefanS_: pong
[10:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: finally :)
[10:29] <kwwii> I looked for you last night...was gone most of sat
[10:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: oh, I was having some friends over last night, so I werent online
[10:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: oh well, do you want me to email the settings to you?
[10:30] <kwwii> _StefanS_: can't you commit them yourself?
[10:30] <_StefanS_> kwwii: to bzr? yes maybe I can
[10:31] <kwwii> _StefanS_: to be honest, it has been awhile since I commited anything to that package...I'd probably ask a Riddell or someone as well :-)
[10:35] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I just thought that you maybe was going approve it before it got comitted
[10:35] <_StefanS_> kwwii: what about the wallpaper, does it need adjustments besides that you did initially?
[10:36]  * apachelogger is super informed about any package
[10:36] <apachelogger> omg, coffee on the keyboard
[10:36]  * apachelogger starts crying
[10:36] <kwwii> _StefanS_: I think that it is quite light, but I like it
[10:36] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: keep typing until its dry :)
[10:36] <kwwii> _StefanS_: we should probably talk about these changes at the next meeting
[10:36] <kwwii> get some feedback
[10:37] <_StefanS_> kwwii: err.. so you want me commit them to k-d-s and then activate after the meeting?
[10:37] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: just don't push the changes until post-meeting
[10:38] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: alright..
[10:39] <_StefanS_> be back in 30mins
[10:40] <kwwii> _StefanS_: branch the package, commit your changes, push them...add this as in item for the next meeting
[10:53]  * serega waves
[11:05] <serega> darn, kubuntu-kde4 is very good!
[11:07] <_StefanS_> serega: how is it good ? - just curious
[11:08] <serega> _StefanS_: it is really promising, imho
[11:08] <_StefanS_> oh ok
[11:09] <_StefanS_> serega: does the search in the kde4 kickoff menu work for you? my session crashes
[11:09] <_StefanS_> serega: when using it
[11:11] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:11] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: is there a bug report?
[11:11] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: uhm I'm still investigating it, I just saw the bug now
[11:11] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: err.. now it works
[11:11]  * apachelogger likes it when other people track down issues :P
[11:12] <apachelogger> nice
[11:13] <serega> _StefanS_: didn't try to search. I can just boot it at laptop and answer any your questions
[11:14] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: well its not a crash... its a looong wait. It happens if you're too impatient when logging in. I start typing search keywords in kickoff before the startup sound is done playing. It will hang for 40-50 secs
[11:15] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: guess its just a matter of some services not being all ready
[11:18] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: actually, I think this is a very deep going issue
[11:18] <apachelogger> for some reason knotify can't be started at login
[11:19] <apachelogger> ...first try...
[11:19] <_StefanS_> ah
[11:19] <apachelogger> and I think the reason for knotify being unstartable is exactly the same source of this search problem
[11:19] <_StefanS_> hmm might be
[11:20] <_StefanS_> ah well.. its probably something that will be looked at in the future, if its something deeper
[11:20] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: anyway, that kubuntu-kde4 package, is that on ppa?
[11:21] <serega> very strange... numerous read errors on laptop, I can't boot :-\
[11:21] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: dunno, but considering stdin didn't backport, and I didn't backport either recently ... I doubt it
[11:21] <_StefanS_> serega: maybe your harddrive is b0rked
[11:21] <serega> _StefanS_: thanks god no :) CD read errors
[11:21] <apachelogger> ktorrent is also out-of-date in the ppa
[11:22] <serega> it can be a kernel issue
[11:23] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: hmm what is that SKIM thingy that appeared on the recent kde3 update?
[11:26] <hunger> _StefanS_: input method applet for strange languages.
[11:26] <hunger> s/strange/east asian/. Sorry.
[11:27] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: what defines a strange language ? :D
[11:28] <hunger> _StefanS_: strange as in "with more characters than can comfortably fit on a keyboad".
[11:30] <apachelogger> ^_^
[11:32] <hunger> Anyway that skim thingy is highly annoying.
[11:32] <_StefanS_> yep, its gone now.
[11:32] <_StefanS_> from my machine atleast
[11:32] <hunger> _StefanS_: How did you do that?
[11:32] <_StefanS_> apt-get remove
[11:33] <hunger> I did that as well... but it still pops up occassionally. Only stopped after logging out/in.
[11:33] <hunger> s/pops/poped/
[12:00] <serega> does anybody know how to fix such situation? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/925905
[12:02] <Hobbsee> serega: what happens if you try to apply kubuntu_03_ioslaves_protocols.diff manually?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> and why do you want to reverse patch it, anyway?
[12:03] <serega> Hobbsee: Hi, Sarah.
[12:03] <serega> Hobbsee: I just want do perform debuild -S
[12:04] <serega> Hobbsee: I wonder why debuild tries to reverse all patches
[12:04] <Hobbsee> serega: i see that.  your patch is broken.  is it already applied?
[12:05] <serega> Hobbsee: I did no changes in source, the only changes in ./debian/sime_script
[12:05] <serega> *some
[12:06] <Hobbsee> does that modify what the script then modifies?
[12:08] <serega> Hobbsee: not sure I follow you... The script is just for installing to target system it is not for package building/installation.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> serega: can you put the source somewhere?
[12:10] <serega> Hobbsee: sure. But it will be ok if you make 'apt-get source kaffeine' and update that script and kaffeine. Current broken state of the package is the result of some my faulty actions.
[12:10] <Hobbsee> ah right
[12:11] <Hobbsee> so the rest of the package doesn't need fixing.  don't worry then
[12:11] <serega> Hobbsee: if this is not common problem of newbies I can just refresh the source and dig into manuals
[12:12] <serega> Hobbsee: thank you for your attention
[12:12] <Hobbsee> patches don't tend to break, unless you do things to the directories they patch
[12:12] <Hobbsee> no problem
[12:49] <_StefanS_> anyone know if file deletion in ext4 is faster than ext3?
[13:24] <ScottK> _StefanS_: I saw your question about my Klamav patch the other day, but haven't seen you since.
[13:25] <ScottK> _StefanS_: I sort of got it to work, but could use some more help if you have the time.
[13:26] <_StefanS_> ScottK: I pinged you a few times :) anyway, what do you need help with ?
[13:27] <ScottK> _StefanS_: I got the U/I looking like I wanted it.  The problem I have is that if you try and enable automatic update or if you have it (or the removed autoscanning function) enabled from a previous version, klamav will crash.
[13:27] <ScottK> _StefanS_: I never had any luck with getting a nostrip version to produce a useful traceback.
[13:28] <_StefanS_> ScottK: like previously, make a screenshot of where the automatic update is
[13:28] <ScottK> _StefanS_: I was wondering if you would have another look at it and see if you can point me in the right direction (or maybe make a traceback I can use).
[13:28] <_StefanS_> ScottK: I will have a look tonight
[13:28] <ScottK> _StefanS_: Will do.  Is there an email address I can send this screenshot too?
[13:29] <ScottK> _StefanS_: Thanks again.  I really appreciate the help.
[13:29] <_StefanS_> ScottK: its no problem :)
[13:30] <_StefanS_> ScottK: I like these small things
[13:30] <ScottK> Small maybe for someone with the right knowledge ...
[13:30] <_StefanS_> ScottK: btw, I'm a bit puzzled as to why 'use export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip' and debuild after that, dont make you see the lines in the krash dialog (?!)
[13:30]  * ScottK too.
[13:31] <ScottK> I'm suspecting I lacked another debug package for KDE, but I'm not sure.
[13:32] <_StefanS_> uhm, you should see the symbols anyways.. but we can always look at that another time
[13:33] <_StefanS_> ScottK: btw I need the download url again for the dget
[13:33] <_StefanS_> ScottK: so I'll be working with your patched package
[13:33] <ScottK> _StefanS_: It's the one in Hardy.  I uploaded it to make U/I freeze
[13:33] <ScottK> Bad me, I know.
[13:34] <_StefanS_> hehe
[13:34] <_StefanS_> thats fine
[13:34] <_StefanS_> (for me atleast)
[13:35] <ScottK> This has the added bonus of forcing me to actually get this worked out.
[13:35] <_StefanS_> yes, and you can always just pretend you're working overtime on something important for your work ;)
[13:36] <_StefanS_> to get time off from the kids + wife hehe
[13:52] <jjesse> morning
[13:52] <Jucato> moin jjesse!
[13:54] <jjesse> evening Jucato
[13:54] <nareshov> heh
[13:54] <Jucato> yay! he didn't mistake me for jussi01!
[13:54]  * jussi01 whacks Jucato 
[13:54] <jussi01> I still got hilighted...
[13:54] <jussi01> LOL
[13:54] <Jucato> that was my intention :)
[13:55] <nareshov> :P
[13:55] <jjesse> :P
[14:00]  * ryanakca wonders if Kubuntu has a color palette
[14:01]  * ryanakca wonders using the oxygen one for the website
[14:01] <Jucato> ryanakca: we seem to change color palettes every release anyway :)
[14:02] <ryanakca> Jucato: I know... *wonders what the hardy one is*
[14:02]  * ryanakca doesn't think he's used KDE3 since early january :)
[14:03] <Jucato> heh
[14:05] <Riddell> ryanakca: we don't, oxygen one is good
[14:06] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies
[14:13] <aos101> I've put a patch on the KDE bug tracker for bug 93878.  It's only a minor GUI bug, but do you think it could make it into Hardy or is it not worth it for something so minor?
[14:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93878 in kdeadmin "The "up" and "down" buttons in the DNS configuration have very low quality icons" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93878
[14:16] <Riddell> hi aos101
[14:16] <Riddell> that should be fine
[14:16] <Riddell> the best fix is to not to embedded images but use the normal icon loader but that's a KDE 4 job (if the issue is still relevant there)
[14:18] <aos101> Yeah I thought it would be better if it would use the icon from the current theme also, but I didn't know how to do that.  Presumably that would involve some code instead of just changing the .ui file.
[14:19] <aos101> Do I need to do anything or will someone upload the change sometime?  (I'm a bit new to all this)
[14:21] <Riddell> aos101: I'm uploading it now
[14:22] <Riddell> aos101: or I can take you through making a debdiff if you want the launchpad karma
[14:23] <aos101> I'm not bothered either way.  I've played with debdiffs a little before, and I think they're fairly straight forward.
[14:23] <aos101> Whatever is easier for you guys really.
[14:26] <Riddell> aos101: I'll just upload then, thanks
[14:27] <Riddell> there she goes
[14:27] <aos101> Cool, thanks.  I'm just glad to see my (very simple) fix make into the OS I use :-)
[14:45] <Riddell> so dudes, what do we want on our CD covers?
[14:46] <nosrednaekim> I think the should have "kubuntu" on it:)
[14:47] <sebas> THey won't do naked girls again, I suppose?
[14:47] <davmor2> Riddell: A background image ;)
[14:48] <nosrednaekim> sebas» they'd probably do naked dragons....
[14:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: is our moto the same as the Ubuntu one? I'd pass on having people's faces on them (like Ubuntu has every year). Also, if I'm not mistaken, we've had a gear on them since 6.06 (no way of verifying, I gave all my CDs away), so maybe try something different?
[14:51]  * ScottK would suggest a Kubuntuized version of some of the KDE4 promotion artwork.
[14:51]  * ScottK thought some of that was pretty good.
[14:51] <ryanakca> ScottK: yeah
[14:52] <nosrednaekim> can we have a screenshot of a kde4 desktop for the kde4 one?.... thats more beautiful than any artwork :)
[14:56] <ryanakca> For the website. Should a, a:visited be darker, lighter; lighter, darker; or same color? Colors are pulled from http://www.oxygen-icons.org/wp-content/themes/oxy/images/figure4.png . darker = 6th row, 2nd from right on Normal. lighter = 6th row, furthest right on Normal
[14:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: I'd use default web colours unless there's a reason not to
[15:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: if I'm not mistaken, different browsers might have slightly different default colors for links. Also, a:visited as purple (IE jumps to mind) would clash with our pretty blue :)
[15:01] <davmor2> Riddell: why not turn Konq into nessie for the cover :)
[15:01] <ryanakca> lol
[15:04] <Jussio1> apachelogger: hei, you around?
[15:04]  * Jussio1 is playing with quassel
[15:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you OK with what I proposed on kubuntu-devel for mountconfig and Py QT3 (assuming no one reports problems)?
[15:06] <Riddell> hi ScottK, thanks for looking into that, let me read it over again
[15:08] <ScottK> I didn't mention it in the mail, but I'll take care of Debian/upstream bug reporting too.
[15:08] <apachelogger> Jucato: ahoy
[15:08] <Jucato> oy! :)
[15:08] <Riddell> ScottK: does anything use kdedesigner?
[15:08] <jpatrick> apachelogger: try Jussio1
[15:09] <Jussio1> lol
[15:09] <apachelogger> hm
[15:09] <apachelogger> Jussio1: sup?
[15:09] <apachelogger> Jucato: how are you?
[15:09] <Jucato> :D
[15:09] <Jucato> doing ok. except for the fact that Jussio1/jussi01 and I are mostly mistaken for each other :)
[15:09] <Jussio1> apachelogger: are you one of the quassel devs, or just packager/maintainer?
[15:10] <apachelogger> Jucato: huh, who does do such things?
[15:10] <Jucato> :D
[15:10] <apachelogger> Jussio1: just packag0r
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> #quassel is VERY helpful
[15:11] <Jussio1> nosrednaekim: tanks, just joined
[15:11]  * apachelogger is pushing a new neon builds
[15:12] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: pffft, that sounds like I wasn't helpful :P
[15:12] <Jussio1> apachelogger: ahh, ok, just had a small bug or 2
[15:12] <apachelogger> uhh, they probably are features :P
[15:12] <Jussio1> lol
[15:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Not as far as I can tell.
[15:17] <ScottK> Riddell: I grepped the source for references to it and didn't find any.
[15:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Since upstream doesn't have the same -dev package splits we do, I doubt they ever notice.
[15:19] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead then
[15:20] <ryanakca> hmm, for a cheesy CD cover, we could have a pretty semi see through globe, made in KDE colors, and have a heron flying across it...
[15:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Will do (after the Alpha).
[15:20] <Riddell> alpha?
[15:20] <ScottK> The Alpha 6 milestone sched for Thursday.
[15:21] <ScottK> I figure on waiting until that to do it since I'm touching two packages in Main for non-alpha milestoned bugs.
[15:21]  * ryanakca crunches so that we can get the website at about the same time as release
[15:21] <Riddell> oh jings, we're onto two week alpha
[15:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: that'll need coordination with sysadmin
[15:22] <ryanakca> Release is the last Thursday of April, correct?
[15:22] <davmor2> Riddell: ah yes :)
[15:22] <Riddell>  April 24th
[15:22] <davmor2> thursday alpha 6 :)
[15:23] <ScottK> OTOH, since I just updated my Hardy laptop displayconfig crashes for me, so I can actually work on that one and may have something before the alpha for that.
[15:23] <Riddell> ScottK: well   I"developers are asked to refrain from
[15:23] <Riddell> uploading packages between Tuesday and Thursday"
[15:23] <Riddell> so quick quick!
[15:24] <ryanakca> Riddell: yes, it won't be up the day of release, because the sysadmins are going crazy with the increase of traffic, etc. But I'm hoping within a week of release. If I can get it done soon, I can tarball the document root, run a mysql dump and send it to them for whenever they get a chance to install it.
[15:24] <ScottK> Hopefully tonight.  I'm about to head out for a $WORK Meeting.
[15:24] <davmor2> Riddell: It's amazing how quickly this release cycle is going...
[15:25] <ryanakca> worse comes to worse they only put it up after UDS, but I can live with that too :)
[15:25] <Riddell> ryanakca: week before would be better if possible
[15:25] <Riddell> davmor2: I agree!
[15:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies. The theming part is done I think... I'm just looking for things that might be leftover from ubuntu.com ... if you know of somebody who wants to help port content, that would be helpful :)
[15:27] <Riddell> must of the content can be consolidated
[15:27] <Riddell> much
[15:27] <ryanakca> ?
[15:28] <Riddell> I think the new package announcements can all go on one page
[15:29] <jpatrick> Riddell: http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/effects/ - new version as requested by nosrednaekim
[15:32] <Riddell> ooh, thanks jpatrick
[15:33] <Riddell> uploaded
[15:34] <jpatrick> awesome, thanks
[15:47]  * jpatrick is off till... his ISP brings back his connection
[15:56] <TommyH> hallo everybody! congrats for the work! As soon as I'll have some time, I'll try to help you if it's needed
[15:57] <Riddell> hi TommyH!
[15:57] <TommyH> :-)
[15:58] <TommyH> don't know if I can help... I coded in C, now mostly php-asp... once upon a time, ASM...
[16:34] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:35] <manchicken> http://manchicken.com/gallery/albums/userpics/hpim0167_resized.jpg
[16:36] <manchicken> Oh yeah.
[16:37] <Riddell> manchicken: blog it!
[16:37] <Riddell> that child is going to be so embarraced in 15 years time :)
[16:37] <manchicken> Will do.
[16:38] <manchicken> No way.  Kubuntu is nothing to be ashamed of.
[16:38] <davmor2> Riddell: that or in your job :)
[16:43] <nixternal> manchicken: I should take a picture of me wearing that same outfit :)
[16:43] <nixternal> groovy pic
[16:44] <manchicken> heh
[16:44] <manchicken> It are blogged.
[16:51] <Riddell> manchicken: wherever did you get that?
[16:51] <ryanakca> manchicken: you're missing a y to gallery in your post.
[16:52] <nixternal> Riddell: probably cafepress
[16:52] <manchicken> Am I?
[16:52] <manchicken> Yeah, I got it from cafepress
[16:54] <manchicken> found it, fixed it.
[16:54] <ryanakca> lol, common sense is an obsolete skill :)
[17:23] <Riddell> hunger: does anything use libdecibel0.6.0 except decibel and kdenetwork?
[17:26] <hunger> Riddell: I doubt it.
[17:26] <hunger> Riddell: I would be surprised if kdenetwork used it already.
[17:27] <Riddell> ./CMakeLists.txt:macro_optional_find_package(Decibel)
[17:28] <Riddell> "Used by the Kopete telepathy protocol."
[17:28] <hunger> Riddell: Oh, didn't know that.
[17:29] <nixternal> Riddell: have you seen the Decibel FTBFS we have in Hardy right now?
[17:29] <nixternal> for some reason we attempted to sync from Debian
[17:30] <hunger> Riddell: I'd just disable decibel in kde 4.0.x in your place.
[17:30] <hunger> Riddell: It is not offically supported there.
[17:30] <Riddell> nixternal: yeah, I'm looking at that now
[17:31] <hunger> Riddell: If somebody complains (which I doubt) you can send them over to #decibel;-)
[17:32] <nixternal> Riddell: I was looking at it and it was giving me a headache
[17:33] <nixternal> I thought the original package installed normally and didn't do the KDE4 install
[17:33] <serega> Riddell: Hey, Jonathan. I have found that the kubuntu_03_ioslaves_protocols.diff patch of kaffeine is -p1 and it breaks package build in some cases (on clean). Should I fix it?
[17:33] <Riddell> original package?
[17:33] <hunger> Riddell: The kde4 integration had a problem for a while.... maybe that is killing you? Try setting INTEGRATION_OVERRIDE_DIR to simplistic to fix it.
[17:34] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, I did the initial package for decibel last year I thought..though I might be thinking of something else
[17:34] <hunger> s/fix/work around/.
[17:34] <Riddell> hunger: what does that do?
[17:34] <Riddell> serega: I would expect the problem is the added translation domain lines
[17:34] <hunger> It turns off kde4 integration in favour of using the simplistic file based stuff.
[17:35] <hunger> If the package is older than a couple of weeks that this is the problem, then kde4 and simplistic will not differ anyway;-)
[17:35] <hunger> s/that/and/
[17:36]  * hunger is heading home... see you later/tomorrow.
[17:36] <Riddell> thanks hunger
[17:41]  * Riddell hugs kde 4.0.2 for fixing kded4 and the konsole control-q annoying thing
[17:42] <Riddell> hmm, control-s control-q thing is still there
[18:06] <serega> Riddell: can I fix all such patch warnings? (Hunk #1 succeeded at 2859 (offset 96 lines).
[18:10] <serega> Riddell: what the changelog entry should be if I can?
[18:14] <Riddell> serega: I tend not to bother but you can if it annoys you, I'm not sure of the easiest way to do it, maybe just cdbs-edit-patch
[18:15] <Riddell> changelog is just "rebuild patches" or similar
[18:15] <serega> Riddell: thank you
[18:28] <Riddell> nixternal: I've uploaded a quick fix that doesn't include the kde bits
[18:29] <Riddell> I don't think there's an easy way to do anything else
[18:29] <Riddell> installing to /usr/lib/kde4 would be an option but it didn't want to compile forme
[18:32] <nixternal> Riddell: same here
[18:32] <nixternal> issue with QtTapioca right?
[18:34] <nixternal> I think the only way I got it to compile for installation into /usr/lib/kde4 was I commented out DEB_CMAKE_PREFIX, hard coded the paths up top
[18:34] <nixternal> or maybe it was something with RPATH in the CMake files...can't remember now
[18:37] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[18:38] <Riddell> doesn't link to QtTapioca even though it is told to
[18:38] <nixternal> ya, I couldn't figure that one out
[19:18] <serega> god, cdbs-edit-patch rocks! this are MUCH easier with it :)
[19:19] <Riddell> it can be handy yes
[19:20] <Riddell> pitti is the one to hug there
[19:22]  * serega hugs pitti strongly
[20:05] <hunger> ho
[20:06] <DaSkreech> yo
[20:06] <jussi01> hunger: now now you shouldnt go round calling people that :P
[20:07] <hunger> jussi01: ?
[20:07] <DaSkreech> Matt stil rubbing raw on Decibel?
[20:07] <hunger> DaSkreech: I guess so:-)
[20:07] <hunger> But I have not seen a reply to my mail from this morning yet.
[20:08] <DaSkreech> It's kinda tricky though since it's a shared process if you have already gotten over the pain it's little utility to port right now
[20:08] <hunger> DaSkreech: you go round spending lots of time building a cool and and then there shows up some guy and says he'll do everything differently;-)
[20:08] <DaSkreech> a cool what? :)
[20:08] <DaSkreech> Cause that can be from Matt's point of view as well
[20:08] <hunger> a cool chat app. Sorry.
[20:09] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know Sho is having the same issue as well
[20:09] <DaSkreech> What's the groovy goodness for him to port Konversation to Decibel
[20:09] <hunger> Anyway, I have been telling about the app starting and filtering and stuff at two akademies now, so it is nothing new.
[20:09] <seele> DaSkreech: you pinged me?
[20:09] <DaSkreech> seele: All the time :)
[20:09] <seele> hey now, hehe
[20:09] <seele> whats up
[20:09] <hunger> DaSkreech: The greater good. What else?
[20:10] <DaSkreech> seele: Wanted to kontinue the diskkusion on kard sorting
[20:10] <DaSkreech> When you have time :-)
[20:13] <seele> what did you want to know?
[20:13] <DaSkreech> Do I have to limit it?
[20:13] <seele> well i'm not an ebook!
[20:13] <DaSkreech> seele: since you seem to be in mix of eternal busy do you have any links?
[20:13] <DaSkreech> mmm eBook
[20:14] <DaSkreech> seele: not with DRM at least :)
[20:15] <DaSkreech> We are being asked at work to do some Govt FOSS training
[20:15] <DaSkreech> I'm wondering if Card sorting might help
[20:15] <seele> card sorting of what?  training topics?
[20:16] <DaSkreech> Well they are a) kinda dumb when it comes to IT and b) of really varied jobs so that we may need to figure out the expectations they have
[20:17] <DaSkreech> From what you described I think that may be helpful for us
[20:19] <DaSkreech> Most of our training is more short term so I was interested in card sorting but didn't have a grasp of where we would use it in out workflow
[20:20] <DaSkreech> They asked us to train on Openoffice and "open Source Adminstration" for front and backend
[20:20] <seele> what is it exactly you are doing?
[20:20] <DaSkreech> So I don't know what they want I don't know if they do either
[20:20] <seele> i'm not sure i see where card sorting fits in.
[20:21] <seele> what are you building/designing?
[20:21] <DaSkreech> me either :)
[20:21] <DaSkreech> seele: systems for differnt depts
[20:22] <DaSkreech> No idea what for yet
[20:22] <DaSkreech> We do FOSS consultation for companies which need a better workflow or cheaper solutions
[20:23] <DaSkreech> so we build things to go along with or strengthen the organizations workflow
[20:23] <DaSkreech> Normally that comes along with training
[20:24] <DaSkreech> this is perhaps the first time I can think of us being called in to do training and then later build a system
[20:25] <seele> so do you need help organizing the training?  card sorting is sortof a librarian method to help organize stuff
[20:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, just sent you the updated buttons
[20:29] <DaSkreech> well I was thinking of the way of splitting the groups into training classes based on what they need to learn
[20:31] <ryanakca> woah, KDE4 is slow all of a sudden
[20:33] <DaSkreech> seele: Plus I'm kinda just interested in having it explained :)
[20:36] <jussi01> ryanakca: all of a sudden? its always been slow here :(
[20:39] <ryanakca> jussi01: hmmm... I guess uninstalling a program while its still running wasn't so good an idea :)
[20:42] <fdoving> ryanakca: check if kded4 uses alot of cpu. i find that nepomuk server is a cpu hog sometimes.
[20:44] <ryanakca> fdoving: konsole is using the most CPU, 5.3%
[20:44] <fdoving> oh. that's not much.
[20:44] <ryanakca> however, Xorg and kwin are using lots of MEM. 13.2% and 11.9% respectively
[20:45] <ryanakca> nixternal: oooh, I see. that ugly grey box in KDE4 is because compositing was off :)
[20:46] <fdoving> ryanakca: my kwin only use 57M. or 0.8% of 2G.
[20:47] <ryanakca> fdoving: lol, I only have 512M of ram, so 11.9% of 512M... about 43M
[20:47] <fdoving> oh, not that much then.
[20:47] <fdoving> go buy more, it's not that expensive now.
[20:48] <DaSkreech> seele: if you are uplater I can try and poke atta you
[20:48] <DaSkreech> assuming the money market is flat
[20:48] <ryanakca> fdoving: my net worth is < 600$... I've only recently turned the legal working age over here... I'm going to go job hunting next week, so I guess I'll be able to get more ram in a few weeks :)
[20:49] <fdoving> ryanakca: nice :)
[20:49] <fdoving> 1G is way better than 512. that's a noticeable upgrade, imho.
[20:50]  * ryanakca nods. I think I can get 2x1G for ~ 125$
[20:50] <fdoving> 1G - 2G is not that much a difference. only thing i've noticed is that hibernation is slower. :)
[20:50] <ryanakca> hmm...
[20:51] <ryanakca> okies :)
[20:51] <nixternal> Riddell: should the new extragear package be renamed to libksane-kde4-x.x.x?
[20:51]  * ryanakca debates on going for XHTML 1.0 Strict or HTML 4.01 Strict
[20:52] <DaSkreech> btw are we divorcing KATE in KDE4 ?
[20:52] <nixternal> no
[20:52]  * DaSkreech hugs kate :)
[20:52] <nixternal> why would we do such a thing?
[20:52]  * jussi01 huggles kate
[20:53] <nixternal> Kate is the greatest
[20:53] <DaSkreech> It's no longer KDE4's default text editor
[20:53] <ryanakca> whats the default? kwrite?
[20:53] <nixternal> just like konqi isn't the default file manager
[20:53]  * DaSkreech puts ina vote for Katie ;)
[20:53] <nixternal> simplicity was chosen for default
[20:53]  * nosrednaekim <3 KATE
[20:53] <nixternal> and kate moved from base to kdesdk
[20:54] <Riddell> nixternal: we don't seem to have an existing libksane package, so I don't much mind
[20:55] <nixternal> OK, just wanted to make sure first
[21:52] <serega> goodnight all
[21:59] <nixternal> note to self: when creating new KDE 4 packages, remember to not forget cmake in the build-depends
[22:04]  * ScottK boggles.
[22:04] <ScottK> We moved from Kate to Kwrite for simplicity?
[22:05] <nixternal> looks like it...for simple text editing, all anyone needs is KWrite
[22:05] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Define We
[22:05] <nixternal> those who are doing coding and what not will open up Kate
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> eh.. what?
[22:05] <nixternal> Kate has become a little stronger in KDE 4 than it was in KDE 3
[22:05] <nixternal> s/stronger/more powerful I guess
[22:06] <ScottK> OK.  On KDE3 Kwrite never struck me as simpler than Kate.
[22:07] <nixternal> well, simpler as in it doesn't have all of the options that Kate has
[22:07] <nixternal> a notepad is a notepad is a notepad, and I guess that is the role KWrite fulfills with a smaller footprint I guess
[22:07] <nixternal> I use KWrite all of the time, only use Kate for a couple of things now
[22:08] <DaSkreech> !info glest hardy
[22:08] <ubotu> glest (source: glest): A free 3D real-time customizable strategy game. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.0.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 436 kB, installed size 1252 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 ia64 mipsel arm alpha kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> but is Kate going to be on the liveCD?
[22:09] <ScottK> Maybe I'm just odd, but Kate made immediate sense to me and Kwrite just confuses me (in KDE3).
[22:12] <DaSkreech> I'm thinking you may not be the arget audience :)
[22:14] <nixternal> ScottK and Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=libksane  <- ack it and lets go! :)
[22:15] <nixternal> err, only one of you has to ack it, first come first serve then!
[22:15] <ScottK> Got FFe?
[22:15] <nixternal> thought we had an open one for KDE 4?
[22:15] <nixternal> if not, then you need to tell your MOTU-Release people to stop telling us otherwise
[22:15] <ScottK> Actually no.  No one ever asked for one.  I've suggested it several times
[22:16] <ScottK> Maybe I missed it.
[22:16] <nixternal> ya, why nobody answered your request was beyond me
[22:16] <nixternal> I can whip up one really quick, or you can just use the bug report I created that the package will close..granted it is a needs packaging boog, but it answers the questions you will have I am sure
[22:17] <nixternal> that is my first library package too, so be gentle
[22:17] <nixternal> though it is a small but important library for anything dealing with kipi
[22:18] <nixternal> before it can be uploaded though, the kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.0.1) needs to be changed to (>= 4:4.0.2)
[22:19] <nixternal> ScottK: how should I go about filing an open FFe for KDE 4 stuff? I am going to need it in 5 minutes to upload all of these new extragear packages for 4.0.2
[22:20]  * DaSkreech should file a kipi SoC
[22:21] <ScottK> nixternal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-sounds/+bug/192535 is a good sample.
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192535 in usplash-theme-ubuntustudio "FF: General exception for Ubuntustudio packages." [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech» a what?
[22:23] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: SoC is open KDE has a wiki page up for projects
[22:23] <hunger> Oh, cool. Decibel has build.
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> oh... summer of code...right :)
[22:24] <hunger> nosrednaekim: There are a couple of really nice decibel projects up there;-)
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> I don't know C++ so thats out for me
[22:25] <DaSkreech> I'm out
[22:32] <ScottK> Is skim starting automagically now on purpose (in en-US)?
[22:33] <hunger> ScottK: Everybody else has purged the damn thing already...
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> ok.... this is getting annoying... search this : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=mYy&q=kubuntu+summerofcode+ideas&btnG=Search
[22:33] <nosrednaekim> and see what it suggests!
[22:34] <ScottK> hunger: I suspect we ought to find out why it's running and get it stopped.
[22:35] <hunger> ScottK: It keapt randomly switching to some strange input method. I have no time for that stuff.
[22:37] <jjesse> is it bad if i'm just starting to work on a presenation i'm giving tomorrow on a subject i know nothing about
[22:39] <nixternal> ScottK: roger that, I will go ahead and file one for KDE 4 then for us
[22:39] <hunger> jjesse: The worst preparation I had was when a coworker asked me whether I could take over a presentation for him. I said sure, when. He replied in 25min.
[22:39] <ScottK> nixternal: Great.  I'll ack it no problem.  I don't imagine the 2nd one will be hard to get either.
[22:43] <jjesse> hunger: that's awesome
[22:43] <jjesse> at least i have tomorrow
[22:43] <jjesse> and an early flight at 5:30am :(
[22:45] <ScottK> Once I was preparing a presentation for a customer (this is back when we still had to print them on acetate and project them) and the printer was slow and things were running late.
[22:45] <ScottK> It was time to go and it wasn't done.
[22:45] <jjesse> wow that's crazy
[22:45] <ScottK> So I handed him the stuff that was done and said "Here's the first half.  Talk slow."
[22:45] <jjesse> the person i'm co-presenting with caleld me today and had no clue what he was supposed to present on
[22:46] <ScottK> I once had to give a presentation I'd never seen before.
[22:46] <ScottK> I was familliar with the topic, so it wasn't hard to improvise, but it was interesting.
[22:58] <jjesse_> wow wirelesses is crappy today
[23:11] <nixternal> ScottK: you want me to go ahead and Confirm/Wishlist each package affected?
[23:11] <nixternal> I am going to add a *-kde4 in the comments so I don't have to list every KDE 4 package if that is OK
[23:11] <ScottK> nixternal: No.  Need two motu-release acks.
[23:11] <nixternal> we have a bunch of KDE 4 packages already
[23:11] <nixternal> OK then
[23:12] <ScottK> Fine with me.  As long as it's clear what's covered.
[23:13] <nixternal> any special tags needed for FF report
[23:14] <nixternal> and we will need the 2 motu-release acks asap, as we need to get these packages all complete within in next few hours, which some have already been uploaded :)
[23:15] <jjesse_> you don't ask for much do you?
[23:15] <jjesse_> nixternal: you are a motu now right?
[23:15] <nixternal> ya
[23:17] <nixternal> ScottK: bug 198178 is all you I think :)
[23:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198178 in kdewebdev-kde4 "FF: General Exception for KDE 4 packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198178
[23:17]  * nixternal notes that motu-release need better documentation
[23:18] <nixternal> hrmm, Henrik said I have been registered on the QA site for 38 weeks...I thought I just signed up for the brainstorm stuff...interesting
[23:19] <ScottK> nixternal: It's a wiki.  Go for it.
[23:19] <nixternal> I knew you would say that
[23:19] <nixternal> I hate wikis just for that reason :p
[23:20] <ScottK> nixternal: Ack #1 done.
[23:20] <nixternal> heh, if the bossman tells me to upload, do I still need an FF? :p
[23:24] <nixternal> I was just going to do something and now I can't remember
[23:24] <nixternal> oh ya, revu that libksane people :p
[23:58]  * nixternal points that revu has a cool new feature...it is called libksane :p