=== santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [01:41] man is it warm in Chicago tonight [01:42] * Hobbsee dumps ice on nixternal [01:45] no doubt..I just went outside and messed around in the yard with the dog, and I started to sweat...totally unheard of [01:45] we have severe weather tonight turning into yet another snow storm tomorrow [01:45] * nixternal throws a snowball at jjesse [03:39] Riddell: are we going to apply for GSoC this year? [03:39] he's probably way asleep by now.... [03:40] oh I know, but when he wakes up he can respond :) [03:40] but I hope so! I want to do a project :) [04:22] nixternal: idea page is in the topic, i would think that's a yes [04:40] Debian is doing it. You could always apply through Debian and then Kubuntu gets it too. [04:43] Any of you see my mail to kubuntu-devel? [04:45] the qt3 email? [04:46] Yeah [04:46] More precisely the please test my mountconfig changes in my PPA email. [04:46] I would need KDE 3.5.9 to test that right? [04:47] KDE3 something. [04:47] Yeah. [04:47] guess I would have to install KDE 3 then [04:47] You're probably no help then. [04:47] since I just accidentally wiped it [04:47] Bah. [04:47] hahaha [04:47] * ScottK will just upload the changes next week. [04:47] oh wait, I still have KDE 3 on this laptop [04:47] how do I go about testing mountconfig [04:47] I forget about this laptop still having KDE 3 [04:48] Install be version from my PPA (linkage in the mail) and run mountconfig. See if it works OK for you. [04:48] roger that [04:52] OK, before I install this, I just ran mountconfig and it opened the Disks & Filesystems window [04:52] will I notice any difference between the old and new? [04:52] If you do, it's a problem. It should be just the same. [04:52] survey says [04:53] its the same [04:53] so I guess it works then [04:53] but it worked for me prior to the update [04:53] don't know how good of a test case I was [04:54] Right, but the package you just tested removed some code that was driving bogus changes in the Py QT3 package. [04:54] gotcha [04:54] So it's not a change to fix mountconfig but to allow me to fix Py QT3 [04:54] Guidance has never worked for me anyways [04:54] It does well enough for me in Gutsy/Hardy. Feisty wasn't so fun. [04:55] it did work for me a long time ago, maybe Edgy, but all of the dist-upgrades since then and has been useless [04:55] BTW, I read the MC call minutes. Did Kmos make a new LP account for himself? [04:55] reports 2 batteries, doesn't do CPU scaling or show my CPU speed [04:55] ya he did [04:55] Someone turned him in? [04:56] someone noticed the similarities [04:56] and then he set himself out with one of his commits under the other account [04:56] On my Dell D430 the battery/cpu stuff is perfect. [04:56] I'm not suprised. [04:56] I am sure there is a configuration somewhere that stuck between dist-upgrades during development cycles [04:56] Actually I predicted that if he made a new account it'd be noticed before long. [04:57] he committed an example of the end of pbuilder and it had his gothicx shell info in it [04:57] what a moron [04:57] he has me so pissed off it isn't even funny [04:58] nixternal: 2 batteries seems like hal and not guidance*. [04:59] Well he's staying out of my bugmail, so I'm happy. Glad it's you on the MC and not me. [04:59] I swore I looked at hal and it was OK [04:59] He seems to managing to stay out of my bugmail, so I'm happy. [04:59] hahaha [04:59] wrong button? [04:59] must be switching puters [04:59] note that hardy's current hal has fixed that but has introduced regressions in power reporting. I have posted test fixes with ~3 at http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/hal/ . This affects #194052 and #194719. [04:59] No. I typed the ScottK2 comment on my laptop about 30 seconds before and gave up on IRC through it. [05:00] Laggy as heck. [05:01] is there a simple package that will give me xorg and what not for ubuntu-server === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [05:01] don't want any de stuff as I will build it from trunk/ [05:01] My standard ubuntu-server answer is as soon as you install X, it's not a server any more. [05:02] well I use server for my KDE 4 builds so I don't get all of that old qt3 stuff and kde3 apps [05:02] Makes sense. I always build in a chroot of some kind. [05:02] ya, trying to get qtwebkit to play nicely on a Kubuntu Hardy install isn't fun [05:03] but it worked flawlessly on a server install [05:03] and our qtwebkit package is so out of date [05:03] Sounds like you need to write an FFe ... [05:03] plus our decibel doesn't build, and that is because someone decided to sync it from Debian with their KDE 4 configurations [05:03] thank god it FTBFS [05:04] hrmm, does Debian use apparmor on their default installs? [05:04] I just might go with Debian instead of Ubuntu server [05:05] No. Debian has no apparmor packages at all. [05:06] damn...trying to find a lenny net install iso [05:06] it always takes me an hour to find it on their site [05:08] my god our daily isos suck [05:16] Good night all. [05:16] Thanks for testing nixternal. [05:16] g'nite, no prob [06:29] someone hold me, I am scared [06:46] Riddell: just so you know, I didn't get a chance to work on any of the kde4 packages this evening...got stuck reparing my booboo on my buildbox :) === r0uzic is now known as r0uzic_ausente [07:57] yuriy: I think you should create some bug reports about the kde4 alpha5 issues [09:04] Where does this damn scim applet come from again?! I killed everything containing scim and skim and then purged all packages that contained those two strings. Yet the damn applet keeps popping up and switching languages. [09:10] hi [09:10] Riddell: the translation for kde apps just broke [09:10] it only concerns the menu bar, are you aware of the problem ? [09:17] Tonio_: no idea [09:18] Tonio_: maybe bug 196106 ? [09:18] Launchpad bug 196106 in language-pack-kde-de "context menu entry "Paste File" [and other dialogs] not translated into German (anymore)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196106 [09:18] 08:58 < carlos> pitti: it's related with some data migration when we added native kde plural forms support [09:21] Riddell: same bug looks like....... I'll investigate toonight [09:21] Riddell: ah oki [09:26] * hunger had to log out again to get his keyboard settings back. === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:11] hi! [10:14] is there any reason why there is no fix for a simple packaging mistake for almost 5month now? see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/146145 [10:14] Launchpad bug 146145 in kdebluetooth "Can't recive files from cell phone" [Undecided,Fix released] [10:17] Hub441: "fix released" ? [10:18] Tm_T: fixed released for hardy not for gutsy [10:18] interesting [10:19] Tm_T: i appreaciate the efforts the dev took to update the package between the last rc and the final release but doing a packaging mistake and not fixing it any more just.. well, sucks [10:26] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ [10:26] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ping? [10:27] _StefanS_: pong [10:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: finally :) [10:29] I looked for you last night...was gone most of sat [10:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: oh, I was having some friends over last night, so I werent online [10:29] <_StefanS_> kwwii: oh well, do you want me to email the settings to you? [10:30] _StefanS_: can't you commit them yourself? [10:30] <_StefanS_> kwwii: to bzr? yes maybe I can [10:31] _StefanS_: to be honest, it has been awhile since I commited anything to that package...I'd probably ask a Riddell or someone as well :-) [10:35] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I just thought that you maybe was going approve it before it got comitted [10:35] <_StefanS_> kwwii: what about the wallpaper, does it need adjustments besides that you did initially? [10:36] * apachelogger is super informed about any package [10:36] omg, coffee on the keyboard [10:36] * apachelogger starts crying [10:36] _StefanS_: I think that it is quite light, but I like it [10:36] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: keep typing until its dry :) [10:36] _StefanS_: we should probably talk about these changes at the next meeting [10:36] get some feedback [10:37] <_StefanS_> kwwii: err.. so you want me commit them to k-d-s and then activate after the meeting? [10:37] _StefanS_: just don't push the changes until post-meeting [10:38] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: alright.. [10:39] <_StefanS_> be back in 30mins [10:40] _StefanS_: branch the package, commit your changes, push them...add this as in item for the next meeting [10:53] * serega waves === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:05] darn, kubuntu-kde4 is very good! [11:07] <_StefanS_> serega: how is it good ? - just curious [11:08] _StefanS_: it is really promising, imho [11:08] <_StefanS_> oh ok [11:09] <_StefanS_> serega: does the search in the kde4 kickoff menu work for you? my session crashes [11:09] <_StefanS_> serega: when using it [11:11] Oo [11:11] _StefanS_: is there a bug report? [11:11] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: uhm I'm still investigating it, I just saw the bug now [11:11] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: err.. now it works [11:11] * apachelogger likes it when other people track down issues :P [11:12] nice [11:13] _StefanS_: didn't try to search. I can just boot it at laptop and answer any your questions === \sh is now known as \sh_away [11:14] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: well its not a crash... its a looong wait. It happens if you're too impatient when logging in. I start typing search keywords in kickoff before the startup sound is done playing. It will hang for 40-50 secs [11:15] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: guess its just a matter of some services not being all ready === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:18] _StefanS_: actually, I think this is a very deep going issue [11:18] for some reason knotify can't be started at login [11:19] ...first try... [11:19] <_StefanS_> ah [11:19] and I think the reason for knotify being unstartable is exactly the same source of this search problem [11:19] <_StefanS_> hmm might be [11:20] <_StefanS_> ah well.. its probably something that will be looked at in the future, if its something deeper [11:20] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: anyway, that kubuntu-kde4 package, is that on ppa? [11:21] very strange... numerous read errors on laptop, I can't boot :-\ [11:21] _StefanS_: dunno, but considering stdin didn't backport, and I didn't backport either recently ... I doubt it [11:21] <_StefanS_> serega: maybe your harddrive is b0rked [11:21] _StefanS_: thanks god no :) CD read errors [11:21] ktorrent is also out-of-date in the ppa [11:22] it can be a kernel issue [11:23] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: hmm what is that SKIM thingy that appeared on the recent kde3 update? [11:26] _StefanS_: input method applet for strange languages. === smarter_ is now known as smarter [11:26] s/strange/east asian/. Sorry. [11:27] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: what defines a strange language ? :D [11:28] _StefanS_: strange as in "with more characters than can comfortably fit on a keyboad". [11:30] ^_^ [11:32] Anyway that skim thingy is highly annoying. [11:32] <_StefanS_> yep, its gone now. [11:32] <_StefanS_> from my machine atleast [11:32] _StefanS_: How did you do that? [11:32] <_StefanS_> apt-get remove [11:33] I did that as well... but it still pops up occassionally. Only stopped after logging out/in. [11:33] s/pops/poped/ === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:00] does anybody know how to fix such situation? http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/925905 === \sh is now known as \sh_away [12:02] serega: what happens if you try to apply kubuntu_03_ioslaves_protocols.diff manually? [12:03] and why do you want to reverse patch it, anyway? [12:03] Hobbsee: Hi, Sarah. [12:03] Hobbsee: I just want do perform debuild -S === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:04] Hobbsee: I wonder why debuild tries to reverse all patches [12:04] serega: i see that. your patch is broken. is it already applied? [12:05] Hobbsee: I did no changes in source, the only changes in ./debian/sime_script [12:05] *some [12:06] does that modify what the script then modifies? [12:08] Hobbsee: not sure I follow you... The script is just for installing to target system it is not for package building/installation. [12:08] serega: can you put the source somewhere? [12:10] Hobbsee: sure. But it will be ok if you make 'apt-get source kaffeine' and update that script and kaffeine. Current broken state of the package is the result of some my faulty actions. [12:10] ah right [12:11] so the rest of the package doesn't need fixing. don't worry then [12:11] Hobbsee: if this is not common problem of newbies I can just refresh the source and dig into manuals [12:12] Hobbsee: thank you for your attention [12:12] patches don't tend to break, unless you do things to the directories they patch [12:12] no problem [12:49] <_StefanS_> anyone know if file deletion in ext4 is faster than ext3? [13:24] _StefanS_: I saw your question about my Klamav patch the other day, but haven't seen you since. [13:25] _StefanS_: I sort of got it to work, but could use some more help if you have the time. [13:26] <_StefanS_> ScottK: I pinged you a few times :) anyway, what do you need help with ? [13:27] _StefanS_: I got the U/I looking like I wanted it. The problem I have is that if you try and enable automatic update or if you have it (or the removed autoscanning function) enabled from a previous version, klamav will crash. [13:27] _StefanS_: I never had any luck with getting a nostrip version to produce a useful traceback. [13:28] <_StefanS_> ScottK: like previously, make a screenshot of where the automatic update is [13:28] _StefanS_: I was wondering if you would have another look at it and see if you can point me in the right direction (or maybe make a traceback I can use). [13:28] <_StefanS_> ScottK: I will have a look tonight [13:28] _StefanS_: Will do. Is there an email address I can send this screenshot too? [13:29] _StefanS_: Thanks again. I really appreciate the help. [13:29] <_StefanS_> ScottK: its no problem :) [13:30] <_StefanS_> ScottK: I like these small things [13:30] Small maybe for someone with the right knowledge ... [13:30] <_StefanS_> ScottK: btw, I'm a bit puzzled as to why 'use export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip' and debuild after that, dont make you see the lines in the krash dialog (?!) [13:30] * ScottK too. [13:31] I'm suspecting I lacked another debug package for KDE, but I'm not sure. [13:32] <_StefanS_> uhm, you should see the symbols anyways.. but we can always look at that another time [13:33] <_StefanS_> ScottK: btw I need the download url again for the dget [13:33] <_StefanS_> ScottK: so I'll be working with your patched package [13:33] _StefanS_: It's the one in Hardy. I uploaded it to make U/I freeze [13:33] Bad me, I know. [13:34] <_StefanS_> hehe [13:34] <_StefanS_> thats fine [13:34] <_StefanS_> (for me atleast) [13:35] This has the added bonus of forcing me to actually get this worked out. [13:35] <_StefanS_> yes, and you can always just pretend you're working overtime on something important for your work ;) [13:36] <_StefanS_> to get time off from the kids + wife hehe [13:52] morning === _czessi is now known as Czessi [13:52] moin jjesse! [13:54] evening Jucato [13:54] heh [13:54] yay! he didn't mistake me for jussi01! [13:54] * jussi01 whacks Jucato [13:54] I still got hilighted... [13:54] LOL [13:54] that was my intention :) [13:55] :P [13:55] :P [14:00] * ryanakca wonders if Kubuntu has a color palette [14:01] * ryanakca wonders using the oxygen one for the website [14:01] ryanakca: we seem to change color palettes every release anyway :) [14:02] Jucato: I know... *wonders what the hardy one is* [14:02] * ryanakca doesn't think he's used KDE3 since early january :) [14:03] heh [14:05] ryanakca: we don't, oxygen one is good [14:06] Riddell: okies [14:13] I've put a patch on the KDE bug tracker for bug 93878. It's only a minor GUI bug, but do you think it could make it into Hardy or is it not worth it for something so minor? [14:13] Launchpad bug 93878 in kdeadmin "The "up" and "down" buttons in the DNS configuration have very low quality icons" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93878 [14:16] hi aos101 [14:16] that should be fine [14:16] the best fix is to not to embedded images but use the normal icon loader but that's a KDE 4 job (if the issue is still relevant there) [14:18] Yeah I thought it would be better if it would use the icon from the current theme also, but I didn't know how to do that. Presumably that would involve some code instead of just changing the .ui file. [14:19] Do I need to do anything or will someone upload the change sometime? (I'm a bit new to all this) [14:21] aos101: I'm uploading it now [14:22] aos101: or I can take you through making a debdiff if you want the launchpad karma [14:23] I'm not bothered either way. I've played with debdiffs a little before, and I think they're fairly straight forward. [14:23] Whatever is easier for you guys really. [14:26] aos101: I'll just upload then, thanks [14:27] there she goes [14:27] Cool, thanks. I'm just glad to see my (very simple) fix make into the OS I use :-) [14:45] so dudes, what do we want on our CD covers? [14:46] I think the should have "kubuntu" on it:) [14:47] THey won't do naked girls again, I suppose? [14:47] Riddell: A background image ;) [14:48] sebas» they'd probably do naked dragons.... [14:50] Riddell: is our moto the same as the Ubuntu one? I'd pass on having people's faces on them (like Ubuntu has every year). Also, if I'm not mistaken, we've had a gear on them since 6.06 (no way of verifying, I gave all my CDs away), so maybe try something different? [14:51] * ScottK would suggest a Kubuntuized version of some of the KDE4 promotion artwork. [14:51] * ScottK thought some of that was pretty good. [14:51] ScottK: yeah [14:52] can we have a screenshot of a kde4 desktop for the kde4 one?.... thats more beautiful than any artwork :) [14:56] For the website. Should a, a:visited be darker, lighter; lighter, darker; or same color? Colors are pulled from http://www.oxygen-icons.org/wp-content/themes/oxy/images/figure4.png . darker = 6th row, 2nd from right on Normal. lighter = 6th row, furthest right on Normal [14:59] ryanakca: I'd use default web colours unless there's a reason not to [15:00] Riddell: if I'm not mistaken, different browsers might have slightly different default colors for links. Also, a:visited as purple (IE jumps to mind) would clash with our pretty blue :) [15:01] Riddell: why not turn Konq into nessie for the cover :) [15:01] lol [15:04] apachelogger: hei, you around? [15:04] * Jussio1 is playing with quassel [15:06] Riddell: Are you OK with what I proposed on kubuntu-devel for mountconfig and Py QT3 (assuming no one reports problems)? [15:06] hi ScottK, thanks for looking into that, let me read it over again [15:08] I didn't mention it in the mail, but I'll take care of Debian/upstream bug reporting too. [15:08] Jucato: ahoy [15:08] oy! :) [15:08] ScottK: does anything use kdedesigner? [15:08] apachelogger: try Jussio1 [15:09] lol [15:09] hm [15:09] Jussio1: sup? [15:09] Jucato: how are you? [15:09] :D [15:09] doing ok. except for the fact that Jussio1/jussi01 and I are mostly mistaken for each other :) [15:09] apachelogger: are you one of the quassel devs, or just packager/maintainer? [15:10] Jucato: huh, who does do such things? [15:10] :D [15:10] Jussio1: just packag0r [15:10] #quassel is VERY helpful [15:11] nosrednaekim: tanks, just joined [15:11] * apachelogger is pushing a new neon builds [15:12] nosrednaekim: pffft, that sounds like I wasn't helpful :P [15:12] apachelogger: ahh, ok, just had a small bug or 2 [15:12] uhh, they probably are features :P [15:12] lol [15:16] Riddell: Not as far as I can tell. [15:17] Riddell: I grepped the source for references to it and didn't find any. [15:17] Riddell: Since upstream doesn't have the same -dev package splits we do, I doubt they ever notice. [15:19] ScottK: go ahead then [15:20] hmm, for a cheesy CD cover, we could have a pretty semi see through globe, made in KDE colors, and have a heron flying across it... [15:20] Riddell: Will do (after the Alpha). [15:20] alpha? [15:20] The Alpha 6 milestone sched for Thursday. [15:21] I figure on waiting until that to do it since I'm touching two packages in Main for non-alpha milestoned bugs. [15:21] * ryanakca crunches so that we can get the website at about the same time as release [15:21] oh jings, we're onto two week alpha [15:22] ryanakca: that'll need coordination with sysadmin [15:22] Release is the last Thursday of April, correct? [15:22] Riddell: ah yes :) [15:22] April 24th [15:22] thursday alpha 6 :) [15:23] OTOH, since I just updated my Hardy laptop displayconfig crashes for me, so I can actually work on that one and may have something before the alpha for that. [15:23] ScottK: well I"developers are asked to refrain from [15:23] uploading packages between Tuesday and Thursday" [15:23] so quick quick! [15:24] Riddell: yes, it won't be up the day of release, because the sysadmins are going crazy with the increase of traffic, etc. But I'm hoping within a week of release. If I can get it done soon, I can tarball the document root, run a mysql dump and send it to them for whenever they get a chance to install it. [15:24] Hopefully tonight. I'm about to head out for a $WORK Meeting. [15:24] Riddell: It's amazing how quickly this release cycle is going... [15:25] worse comes to worse they only put it up after UDS, but I can live with that too :) [15:25] ryanakca: week before would be better if possible [15:25] davmor2: I agree! [15:26] Riddell: okies. The theming part is done I think... I'm just looking for things that might be leftover from ubuntu.com ... if you know of somebody who wants to help port content, that would be helpful :) [15:27] must of the content can be consolidated [15:27] much [15:27] ? [15:28] I think the new package announcements can all go on one page [15:29] Riddell: http://alioth.debian.org/~jpatrick-guest/effects/ - new version as requested by nosrednaekim [15:32] ooh, thanks jpatrick [15:33] uploaded [15:34] awesome, thanks [15:47] * jpatrick is off till... his ISP brings back his connection [15:56] hallo everybody! congrats for the work! As soon as I'll have some time, I'll try to help you if it's needed [15:57] hi TommyH! [15:57] :-) [15:58] don't know if I can help... I coded in C, now mostly php-asp... once upon a time, ASM... [16:34] mornin' [16:35] http://manchicken.com/gallery/albums/userpics/hpim0167_resized.jpg [16:36] Oh yeah. [16:37] manchicken: blog it! [16:37] that child is going to be so embarraced in 15 years time :) [16:37] Will do. [16:38] No way. Kubuntu is nothing to be ashamed of. [16:38] Riddell: that or in your job :) === kewark is now known as krawek [16:43] manchicken: I should take a picture of me wearing that same outfit :) [16:43] groovy pic [16:44] heh [16:44] It are blogged. [16:51] manchicken: wherever did you get that? [16:51] manchicken: you're missing a y to gallery in your post. [16:52] Riddell: probably cafepress [16:52] Am I? [16:52] Yeah, I got it from cafepress [16:54] found it, fixed it. [16:54] lol, common sense is an obsolete skill :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away [17:23] hunger: does anything use libdecibel0.6.0 except decibel and kdenetwork? [17:26] Riddell: I doubt it. [17:26] Riddell: I would be surprised if kdenetwork used it already. [17:27] ./CMakeLists.txt:macro_optional_find_package(Decibel) [17:28] "Used by the Kopete telepathy protocol." [17:28] Riddell: Oh, didn't know that. [17:29] Riddell: have you seen the Decibel FTBFS we have in Hardy right now? [17:29] for some reason we attempted to sync from Debian [17:30] Riddell: I'd just disable decibel in kde 4.0.x in your place. [17:30] Riddell: It is not offically supported there. [17:30] nixternal: yeah, I'm looking at that now [17:31] Riddell: If somebody complains (which I doubt) you can send them over to #decibel;-) [17:32] Riddell: I was looking at it and it was giving me a headache [17:33] I thought the original package installed normally and didn't do the KDE4 install [17:33] Riddell: Hey, Jonathan. I have found that the kubuntu_03_ioslaves_protocols.diff patch of kaffeine is -p1 and it breaks package build in some cases (on clean). Should I fix it? [17:33] original package? [17:33] Riddell: The kde4 integration had a problem for a while.... maybe that is killing you? Try setting INTEGRATION_OVERRIDE_DIR to simplistic to fix it. [17:34] Riddell: ya, I did the initial package for decibel last year I thought..though I might be thinking of something else [17:34] s/fix/work around/. [17:34] hunger: what does that do? [17:34] serega: I would expect the problem is the added translation domain lines [17:34] It turns off kde4 integration in favour of using the simplistic file based stuff. [17:35] If the package is older than a couple of weeks that this is the problem, then kde4 and simplistic will not differ anyway;-) [17:35] s/that/and/ [17:36] * hunger is heading home... see you later/tomorrow. [17:36] thanks hunger [17:41] * Riddell hugs kde 4.0.2 for fixing kded4 and the konsole control-q annoying thing [17:42] hmm, control-s control-q thing is still there [18:06] Riddell: can I fix all such patch warnings? (Hunk #1 succeeded at 2859 (offset 96 lines). [18:10] Riddell: what the changelog entry should be if I can? [18:14] serega: I tend not to bother but you can if it annoys you, I'm not sure of the easiest way to do it, maybe just cdbs-edit-patch [18:15] changelog is just "rebuild patches" or similar [18:15] Riddell: thank you [18:28] nixternal: I've uploaded a quick fix that doesn't include the kde bits === uga|away is now known as uga [18:29] I don't think there's an easy way to do anything else [18:29] installing to /usr/lib/kde4 would be an option but it didn't want to compile forme [18:32] Riddell: same here [18:32] issue with QtTapioca right? [18:34] I think the only way I got it to compile for installation into /usr/lib/kde4 was I commented out DEB_CMAKE_PREFIX, hard coded the paths up top [18:34] or maybe it was something with RPATH in the CMake files...can't remember now [18:37] nixternal: yes [18:38] doesn't link to QtTapioca even though it is told to [18:38] ya, I couldn't figure that one out === smarter_ is now known as smarter [19:18] god, cdbs-edit-patch rocks! this are MUCH easier with it :) [19:19] it can be handy yes [19:20] pitti is the one to hug there [19:22] * serega hugs pitti strongly === smarter__ is now known as smarter [20:05] ho [20:06] yo [20:06] hunger: now now you shouldnt go round calling people that :P [20:07] jussi01: ? [20:07] Matt stil rubbing raw on Decibel? [20:07] DaSkreech: I guess so:-) [20:07] But I have not seen a reply to my mail from this morning yet. [20:08] It's kinda tricky though since it's a shared process if you have already gotten over the pain it's little utility to port right now [20:08] DaSkreech: you go round spending lots of time building a cool and and then there shows up some guy and says he'll do everything differently;-) [20:08] a cool what? :) [20:08] Cause that can be from Matt's point of view as well [20:08] a cool chat app. Sorry. [20:09] Yeah I know Sho is having the same issue as well [20:09] What's the groovy goodness for him to port Konversation to Decibel [20:09] Anyway, I have been telling about the app starting and filtering and stuff at two akademies now, so it is nothing new. [20:09] DaSkreech: you pinged me? [20:09] seele: All the time :) [20:09] hey now, hehe [20:09] whats up [20:09] DaSkreech: The greater good. What else? [20:10] seele: Wanted to kontinue the diskkusion on kard sorting [20:10] When you have time :-) [20:13] what did you want to know? [20:13] Do I have to limit it? [20:13] well i'm not an ebook! [20:13] seele: since you seem to be in mix of eternal busy do you have any links? [20:13] mmm eBook [20:14] seele: not with DRM at least :) [20:15] We are being asked at work to do some Govt FOSS training [20:15] I'm wondering if Card sorting might help [20:15] card sorting of what? training topics? [20:16] Well they are a) kinda dumb when it comes to IT and b) of really varied jobs so that we may need to figure out the expectations they have [20:17] From what you described I think that may be helpful for us [20:19] Most of our training is more short term so I was interested in card sorting but didn't have a grasp of where we would use it in out workflow [20:20] They asked us to train on Openoffice and "open Source Adminstration" for front and backend [20:20] what is it exactly you are doing? [20:20] So I don't know what they want I don't know if they do either [20:20] i'm not sure i see where card sorting fits in. [20:21] what are you building/designing? [20:21] me either :) [20:21] seele: systems for differnt depts [20:22] No idea what for yet [20:22] We do FOSS consultation for companies which need a better workflow or cheaper solutions [20:23] so we build things to go along with or strengthen the organizations workflow === smarter is now known as smarter__ [20:23] Normally that comes along with training === smarter__ is now known as smarter [20:24] this is perhaps the first time I can think of us being called in to do training and then later build a system === smarter is now known as smarter__ === smarter__ is now known as smarter [20:25] so do you need help organizing the training? card sorting is sortof a librarian method to help organize stuff [20:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, just sent you the updated buttons [20:29] well I was thinking of the way of splitting the groups into training classes based on what they need to learn [20:31] woah, KDE4 is slow all of a sudden [20:33] seele: Plus I'm kinda just interested in having it explained :) [20:36] ryanakca: all of a sudden? its always been slow here :( [20:39] jussi01: hmmm... I guess uninstalling a program while its still running wasn't so good an idea :) [20:42] ryanakca: check if kded4 uses alot of cpu. i find that nepomuk server is a cpu hog sometimes. [20:44] fdoving: konsole is using the most CPU, 5.3% [20:44] oh. that's not much. [20:44] however, Xorg and kwin are using lots of MEM. 13.2% and 11.9% respectively [20:45] nixternal: oooh, I see. that ugly grey box in KDE4 is because compositing was off :) [20:46] ryanakca: my kwin only use 57M. or 0.8% of 2G. [20:47] fdoving: lol, I only have 512M of ram, so 11.9% of 512M... about 43M [20:47] oh, not that much then. [20:47] go buy more, it's not that expensive now. [20:48] seele: if you are uplater I can try and poke atta you [20:48] assuming the money market is flat [20:48] fdoving: my net worth is < 600$... I've only recently turned the legal working age over here... I'm going to go job hunting next week, so I guess I'll be able to get more ram in a few weeks :) [20:49] ryanakca: nice :) [20:49] 1G is way better than 512. that's a noticeable upgrade, imho. [20:50] * ryanakca nods. I think I can get 2x1G for ~ 125$ [20:50]