[00:00] <nosrednaekim> !info libnss-ldap
[00:00] <phix> http://security.ubuntu.com
[00:00] <phix> from those repos
[00:00] <ubotu> libnss-ldap (source: libnss-ldap): NSS module for using LDAP as a naming service. In component main, is extra. Version 255-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 79 kB, installed size 204 kB
[00:00] <nosrednaekim> x89x» yeah.. should work the same
[00:01] <Jucato> phix: can you try running "sudo apt-get update" or "sudo aptitude update", then try again? it might be an error with the server
[00:02] <james_> hey guys :)
[00:02] <james_> can anyone help me with webfusion hosting
[00:02] <x89x> nosrednaekim : does ANY linux have drivers for Via ??
[00:02] <james_> i can not figure out where subdomains are located
[00:02] <x89x> the chrome drivers i mean
[00:02] <james_> its a ubuntu dedicated host
[00:03] <nosrednaekim> x89x» not that I know of
[00:04] <x89x> nosrednaekim : Ok . And can i run SQL server 2005 on my ubuntu ?
[00:04] <NickPresta> james_, you can find support for your host at: http://www.webfusion-support.co.uk/cgi-bin/webfusion.cfg/php/enduser/home.php
[00:04] <nosrednaekim> x89x» not familiar with that. you can run MySQL easily though
[00:05] <james_> thanks nick but their support pages are terrible :(
[00:05] <james_> its like no subdomain config i have ever seen ,you make it in the admin panel but then its not added to the ftp account
[00:05] <Jucato> james_: unfortunately this is not the place to ask for help about that
[00:06] <james_> ok i was just hoping someone else had use it
[00:06] <james_> *used it
[00:06] <NickPresta> james_, I would ask on their support forums or find a host that has proper documentation :)
[00:06] <james_> they have no support fourms lol :(
[00:06] <james_> thanks anyway
[00:07] <james_> ttyl guys :)
[00:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> no support forums and poor documentation.  sounds like a great project :D
[00:08] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Laptop, heh
[00:10] <klobster> ok, I have a nvidia 6800 XT that I have recently set up to run across two screens (one dvi, one rgb) using twinview.  Since then my systems seems to run considerably slower.  Is this normal?>
[00:11] <NickPresta> klobster, I run a 7900 GS in twinview mode (both DVI) and I don't notice any slowdowns or anything strange.
[00:11] <aleksandar> hi there...
[00:11] <Dominic> klobster: I second NickPresta.  I used to run that configuration on much, much smaller cards without a problem.
[00:12] <klobster> do you think that because only one is DVI it would cause issue?
[00:12] <Dominic> nah, I've done DVI and VGA on nvidia drivers.  Perhaps not TwinView, maybe just Xinerama
[00:12] <klobster> or possibly configuration error in Xorg.conf?
[00:14] <Antkin> aleksandar Welcome do you have a problem?
[00:15] <aleksandar> http://aleksandar.sytes.net/
[00:15] <aleksandar> maby... dont realy know... :?
[00:16] <Dr_willis> klobster,  ive not noticed twinview slowing things down.
[00:16] <nosrednaekim> that could be a problem ;)
[00:16] <NickPresta> aleksandar, I wouldn't allow your phpinfo to be publicly viewable.
[00:16] <nosrednaekim> klobster» you aren't running compiz or anything are you?
[00:16] <Dr_willis> using  a 5500 , 6800, and now a 8800
[00:16] <Dr_willis> compiz may slow things down a bit.
[00:17] <aleksandar> i do have one em I!<
[00:17] <aleksandar> :)
[00:17] <Antkin> aleksandar so it links to Welcome to Kubuntu 7.04, Feisty Fawn! what is your Problem?
[00:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> Antkin: attitude much?
[00:18] <pushax> which version of Apple os is the one that is linux based?
[00:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> pushax: none.
[00:18] <aleksandar> kinda new around... maby someone can see the phpinfo ant talk me trough my mistakes?
[00:19] <nosrednaekim> pushax» none of them... os X is based on BSD
[00:19] <pushax> Daisuke_Laptop: I thought they hacked a kernel
[00:19] <nosrednaekim> aleksandar» probably better to go to #php
[00:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> loosely, i might add
[00:19] <pushax> BSD...
[00:19] <pushax> yep sorry BSD
[00:19] <NickPresta> pushax, OS X Leopard is now fully POSIX-compliant. http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/unix.html
[00:20] <bobby5> Isn't the unix variant called Darwin that the Apple OS is based on ?
[00:20]  * Dr_willis wonders what posix compliant really means.. with relation to apple.
[00:20] <Dr_willis> Guess the  stuff other then the GUI is complient?
[00:20] <pushax> Canon release drivers for OSX for my 600F scanner.  I was wondering if there would be any luck getting it working with kububtu?
[00:20] <nosrednaekim> pushax» nope.
[00:20] <Dr_willis> pushax,  doubtfull.
[00:21] <nosrednaekim> (not via that method at least)
[00:21] <Dr_willis> Check the SANE web site - to see how well spported the scanner is.
[00:22] <NickPresta> pushax, http://www.sane-project.org/sane-backends-1.0.17.html#S-CANON The 600 is supported. Not sure about 600F
[00:22] <draik> Hello all. How do I setup the keyboard on a Dell SmartStep 200N?
[00:22] <draik> I have an Internet, email and 3 action buttons that don't do a thing.
[00:22] <pushax> NickPresta: the 600 is different.  thanks for looking though
[00:22] <x89x> nosrednaekim : HOw do i enable NTFS write on my fiesty ??
[00:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> !ntfs-3g | x89x
[00:23] <ubotu> x89x: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[00:23] <pushax> x89x: ntfs-3g
[00:23] <draik> !keyboard
[00:23] <ubotu> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[00:24] <pushax> x89x: Hardy Heron does it automatically. but it's a Alpha stage release
[00:24] <NickPresta> draik, http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/. Install the keytouch and keytouch-editor packages
[00:24] <draik> NickPresta: I have. It doesn't recognize it.
[00:24] <Jucato> !shortcuts
[00:24] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[00:25] <NickPresta> Yeah. I would then try using KDE's functionality to bind shortcuts
[00:28] <draik> NickPresta: :( Nope. Not working, either.
[00:29] <x89x> pushax : Ok now i'm trying to USE VirtualBOx.I need to make a virtual hard drive. Its only allowing to choose the Home hard drive. I want to choose a drive thats NTFS. How do i do that ??
[00:30] <pushax> x89x: I'm no expert but I think VB only allows virtual drive files, not literal HD's/
[00:30] <pushax> x89x: also the drive has to be writeable to make the dynamic file.
[00:30] <x89x> Ya but its asking for 10 GB (recommended) but i have only 3 GB in that drive !!
[00:31] <x89x> the other NTFS one has about 30 GB (and i am able to write to it nbow)
[00:31] <pushax> x89x: not sure.
[00:31] <x89x> nosrednaekim : you there ?
[00:32] <pushax> x89x: maybe it doesn't lilke picking drives that are mounted for default OS use.  bi use.
[00:33] <nonewmsgs> hey guys.  i was builing a computer today and it would start run for 40seconds and turn off.  it seems to post.  any ideas?
[00:34] <nonewmsgs> it is using all highend brandname parts ie quadcore 2.4ghz asus mb
[00:35] <crackhead_25_> hey guys, anyone know why i can't see my applications from the toolbar, when i click it, no application menu pops up? it just highlights, but nothing else.. i tried restarting x.. no luck... it was working the other day... wtf?
[00:36] <NickPresta> nonewmsgs, if you didn't make it into Kubuntu, this might not be the best place to ask. I would imagine it is a heating issue or loose connection somewhere.
[00:36] <nonewmsgs> try a full reboot
[00:36] <nonewmsgs> nick thanks.  no it isnt running kubuntu yet but i appriciate the couple ideas and ill try to find a more appropriate chanel
[00:44] <imaginenetx> is there any easy way to update my kubuntu to the newest version without having to download the ISO and all that? Is there some type of apt-get I can use to get the newest release?
[00:45] <windvogel> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -> should update your complete system, imaginenetx
[00:46] <imaginenetx> thanks man
[00:46] <imaginenetx> im going to give it a try
[00:46] <windvogel> of course if your /etc/apt/sources is ok
[00:47] <dthacker> imaginenetx: always a good idea to back up your critical files first, of course
[00:47] <imaginenetx> havent been on the kubuntu in a while, now I am hell bent on getting an MS virtual machine running so I can drop my XP all together..i am tired of having to format every 6months
[00:47] <imaginenetx> i have almost nothing on here atm, and I use google apps for most all my important stuff...
[00:48] <imaginenetx> my xp partition has some pdf's and such, but that shouldn't be affected would it?
[00:48] <dthacker> imaginenetx: I've never used a dual boot setup, so I couldn't say.
[00:49] <windvogel> while updating your system? don't think so... ;)
[00:50] <imaginenetx> yea, i will give it a try. I will hop back in if it doesn't take too long and let you know how it turned out...then my next project..virtual machine for I.E. 6 (because too much network gear requires i.e. for configuring)
[00:52] <imaginenetx> wow, not bad..only need to d/l 268mb
[00:52] <hellop> hi, can a ubuntu/kubuntu live cd play DVD's?
[00:53] <hellop> My Friend's DVD play is skipping in windows, and I'd like to use a linux live CD to see if the DVD player works.
[00:53] <epimeth> hi everyone!
[00:53] <hellop> DVD player*
[00:54] <epimeth> hellop: kaffeine is the dvd player installed by default
[00:54] <pedro> !wine
[00:54] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[00:54] <hellop> epimeth, cool, so I don't have to get any third party DVD decryptor software?  Live CD alone works?
[00:54] <imaginenetx> i know DSL can do that with some additions to the live CD...I would think k/ubuntu could too
[00:54] <pedro> i i need help on wine
[00:54] <dent-42> wouldn't Mint linux play it from live cd ?
[00:54] <epimeth> pedro what do you need wine for?
[00:55] <pedro> i installed the steam
[00:55] <epimeth> hellop: no, you'll need to install the codecs from medibuntu
[00:55] <NickPresta> pedro, steam (and Counter-Strike, Half Life, etc) work pretty well. There are detailed instructions on the AppDB page for each title.
[00:55] <epimeth> !restricted-formats | hellop
[00:55] <Jucato> pedro: #winehq for more WINE-related help
[00:56] <epimeth> ~win32codecs
[00:56] <epimeth> !win32codecs
[00:56] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[00:56] <epimeth> there... hellop ^
[00:56] <pedro> i went to that page but i don't see any details there
[00:56] <NickPresta> pedro, which game?
[00:57] <hellop> epimeth, weird, why would ubuntu use Win32 codecs to play DVD's instead of DECSS?
[00:57] <epimeth> pedro installation of wine or installation of programs using wine?
[00:57] <pedro> say of defeat
[00:57] <imaginenetx> Day of defeat rules! gj pedro!
[00:57] <pedro> i installed it is instaleld i just can't run it
[00:57] <imaginenetx> wish I had time to play...
[00:57]  * Jucato points once more to #winehq
[00:57] <hellop> epimeth oh nevermind
[00:58] <hellop> I see you were talking to someone else
[00:58] <epimeth> hellop: thats a good question.  I might be wrong.  Last time I watched a dvd was a while ago.  I don't know if they work in 7.10 out of the box.
[00:58] <NickPresta> Jucato, yep, sorry. Let me give him the link and I'm done :)
[00:58] <Jucato> NickPresta: sure ;)
[00:58] <hellop> !restricted-formats
[00:58] <NickPresta> pedro, check this out: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=4571 Then join #winehq for specific information
[00:59] <hellop> <- confused
[00:59] <epimeth> hellop: I *was* talking to you :-)  and you are right.  They probably will work out of the box.
[00:59] <BluesKaj> !iso
[00:59] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[00:59] <epimeth> hellop: though you might want to read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs?highlight=%28dvd%29
[00:59] <hellop> Rephrase: How do you play DVD's using kubuntu?
[00:59] <ramera_maligna> hello
[00:59] <ramera_maligna> i am trying the kubuntu live CD and i wanna know how can i mount my hard disk so that i can browse it. It ts NTFS
[01:00] <hellop> epimeth ok thanks you've answered my question, "No, kubuntu won't play DVD's out of the box"  Thanks
[01:00] <epimeth> Jucato: what up amigo?
[01:00] <x89x> anyone know a C# GUI for ubuntu :???
[01:00] <epimeth> x89x: kdeveloper
[01:00] <regeya> !dvd | hellop
[01:00] <ubotu> hellop: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:00] <epimeth> x89x: oh... C#
[01:00] <x89x> epimeth : I cant find that option threre in that
[01:00] <x89x> ya
[01:01] <epimeth> x89x: C# is dotnet... I'm not even sure you can compile that in linux
[01:01] <hellop> thanks for the links guys
[01:01] <epimeth> hellop: no worries :-)
[01:01] <ramera_maligna> i am trying the kubuntu live CD and i wanna know how can i mount my hard disk so that i can browse it. It ts NTFS
[01:01] <hellop> x89x, Eclipse!
[01:01] <hellhound> can someone help me setup my wireless card on my kubuntu machine.  The card is a netgear wpn311 and the Kununtu is a fresh install of gutsy gibbon
[01:01] <x89x> Eclipse ?
[01:01] <Jucato> epimeth: nothing much :)
[01:02] <regeya> I'm surprised that ubotu advocates dvd backup software...though I suppose that in USia *playing* DVDs isn't kosher in linux either (like that stops me from playing DVDs)
[01:02] <hellop> x89x, it's a little programmers IDE...  ;)
[01:02] <hellop> U should check it out
[01:02] <epimeth> ramera_maligna: it didn't mount automagically?  check if it is in /media
[01:03] <epimeth> x89x: eclipse is a java based IDE.  Not sure if it has C# tho.
[01:03] <hellop> epimeth, you probably can't compile, but it will probably syntax highlight the code
[01:03] <x89x> what about sql server 2005 ?>
[01:04] <epimeth> regeya: it is totally legal to make backups of your DVDs in the US
[01:04] <epimeth> regeya: its just not legal to let others have them
[01:04] <hellop> x89x, that's like saying I need a diesel glow-plug for my gasoline car   There is not C# in linux! There is Java.
[01:05] <epimeth> x89x: are you having a laugh?
[01:06] <x89x> hellop : Google monodevelop :-)
[01:06] <ramera_maligna> hello ppl
[01:06] <epimeth> ramera_maligna: hi
[01:06] <hellop> I'll stick to ASM
[01:06] <ramera_maligna> wanna mount NTFS volumes on kubuntu
[01:06] <hellhound> can someone help me setup my wireless card on my kubuntu machine.  The card is a netgear wpn311 and the Kununtu is a fresh install of gutsy gibbon
[01:07] <x89x> waht about SQL server ??? epimeth any ideas ?
[01:07] <epimeth> x89x: I repeat what I said before.  are you having a laugh?
[01:07] <ramera_maligna> someone willing to help me
[01:07] <ramera_maligna> pm me
[01:07] <ramera_maligna> plz
[01:07] <epimeth> ramera_maligna: whats the problem?
[01:07] <hellop> x89x, do you just need SQL compatible DB or do U need MS SQL Server?
[01:07] <ramera_maligna> i dunno nuffin bout this linux thingie
[01:07] <ramera_maligna> wanna mount NTFS volumes
[01:08] <epimeth> ramera_maligna: reading or writing?
[01:08] <ramera_maligna> so that i can convince myself that ubuntu is good enough for me
[01:08] <ramera_maligna> reading and writing,
[01:08] <ramera_maligna> yeah full access
[01:08] <NickPresta> !ntfs > ramera_maligna
[01:08] <x89x> epimeth : :D
[01:08] <epimeth> Jucato: my mp3s won't work... can you help me out?
[01:08] <x89x> hellop : Am learning SQl server 2005. So i want that
[01:08] <rickest> ramera_maligna: happened automatically on my recent install
[01:08] <NickPresta> !ntfs-3g > ramera_maligna
[01:08] <naught101> anyone know what package the kdf panel applet comes in?
[01:09] <Jucato> epimeth: how doesn't it work?
[01:09] <rickest> ramera_maligna: actually it doesn't mount automatically but once mounted it does have RW access
[01:09] <hellop> x89x, ok, so you need a Windows install, and a copy of MS SQL server..
[01:09] <x89x> ramera_maligna : go to synaptic manager and search ntfs-3g
[01:10] <rickest> ramera_maligna: auto mounting is a single line in /etc/fstab
[01:10] <epimeth> x89x: C# and MS SQL are both microsoft products.  they use MS drivers and libraries to work.  AFAIK wine does not yet support .NET libraries, which are required for both.
[01:10] <x89x> hellop : /:)
[01:10] <epimeth> Jucato: amarok opens them and pretends to play them, but no sound comes out
[01:10] <Jucato> epimeth: can you play them in kaffeine or in any other player?
[01:10] <x89x> epimeth : monodevelop people say is cool and is as good as VS.net
[01:11] <epimeth> ramera_maligna: if you really want to know if linux is good for you, you should install it.  the live cd is reallllllly sloooowwwwwwww.  And with the install you get a lot more things automagically.  Like automounting your filesystems
[01:11] <x89x> ramera_maligna : or adept if you have that
[01:11] <Jucato> !info kdf | naught101
[01:11] <ubotu> naught101: kdf (source: kdeutils): disk space utility for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 339 kB, installed size 988 kB
[01:11] <epimeth> Jucato: haven;t tried, actually.  one sec
[01:12] <naught101> thanks Jucato
[01:12] <hellop> x89x, if you want to develop for windows why inconvience yourself by using linux?  Just use windows and get MS SQL server express, free d/l
[01:12] <x89x> ramera_maligna : me installed fiesty today itself
[01:12] <naught101> oh, not that's not it...
[01:12] <naught101> I have kdf installed, I just don't have the kicker applet
[01:12] <epimeth> Jucato: nope.  also pretends to play them... no sound
[01:12] <x89x> hellop : I wnat to get used to linux for a better life :D I dont want SQL server 2005 in future. I will use oracle or MYSQL something liek that
[01:13] <hellop> x89x, if this is for school,  I just did DB stuff in mysql and then ran it on a windows machine before submitting.
[01:13] <Jucato> epimeth: hm.. it might be a deeper problem than mp3's... not really sure. sorry.. (have you tried playing OGG's? some samples in /usr/share/sounds)
[01:13] <hellop> But I have to say, the Erwin program for windows is pretty great for rapid development of SQL create table statements.
[01:14] <epimeth> x89x: I could be wrong then. I've never tried.  Also, for C# and MS SQL, I feel I would *prefer* to use VS.net in windows.  It just seems wrong to do it in linux :-)
[01:15] <x89x> epimeth : okk i have a dualboot. so no worries :)
[01:15] <hellop> epi  very wrong, you can't friggen replace Visual Studio  well... unless you're an Eclipse master... you may be able to drag and drop a calendar into your online web application ;)
[01:15] <epimeth> Jucato: great... my speakers are spewing static.  damnit damnit
[01:15] <epimeth> Jucato: thanks anyway
[01:15] <Jucato> epimeth: right... sorry about that... but at least you know the problem isn't the MP3's :)
[01:16] <epimeth> Jucato: yup.  its weird tho.  the startup sound worked just fine earlier
[01:17] <regeya> whoa...vs.net runs on linux?
[01:17] <epimeth> hellop: whadaya mean I'm wrong?
[01:17] <regeya> also, though I'm no db expert, I heartily recommend postgres
[01:17] <epimeth> mysql all the way, baby!!!
[01:18] <epimeth> regeya: postgre, btw :-p
[01:19] <epimeth> regeya: I think you misunderstood the conversation.  I don't think any of us said that VS works in linux.
[01:19] <regeya> ok, I was just asking based on this comment:  epimeth> x89x: I could be wrong then. I've never tried.  Also, for C# and MS SQL, I feel I would *prefer* to use VS.net in windows.  It just seems wrong to do it in linux :-)
[01:19] <regeya> unbunch your undies now, I was just asking a question :->
[01:19] <epimeth> regeya: ahh.  yes.  out of context :-)  I meant that I would prefer VS.net + windows over eclipse/kdevelop/whateveryouwant in linux
[01:20] <hellhound> can someone help me setup my wireless card on my kubuntu machine.  The card is a netgear wpn311 and the Kununtu is a fresh install of gutsy gibbon
[01:20] <epimeth> regeya: but my panties feel so nice bunched up :-(
[01:20]  * epimeth unbunches them anyway
[01:20] <x89x> regeya : monodevelop can do for C# cant it. But i cant figure out how to make a visual C# application in it
[01:21] <epimeth> anybody use cisco vpn to connect to the office?
[01:21] <epimeth> I'm having.... difficulties... configuring it
[01:22] <regeya> and I've never seen anyone say 'postgre', seriously, except for just now.
[01:22] <imaginenetx> how can I see what version of kubuntu I am running?
[01:23] <hellop> epimeth, I didn't say U were wrong, I was a agreeing with you.  .Net in linux is just wrong.
[01:23] <Bizzeh> hey, why cant kubuntu use my full resolution of 1680x1050?
[01:23] <regeya> 'Postgres' however is the original name of the project, before it became 'PostgreSQL'
[01:23] <epimeth> hellop: oh... lol
[01:23] <epimeth> hellop: surry
[01:24] <epimeth> regeya: consider me corrected :-)
[01:24] <Bizzeh> hellop: your saying that because microsoft are actualy paying people to port .net clr to nix
[01:24] <Bizzeh> if they where trying to stop them... you would be one of the people porting it
[01:25] <hellop> Bizzeh, I didn't know that.   anyways, I like ASM.  .Net.....  just more MS FUD campaign to lock everyone into windows and get them to pay $500 every 3 years  <--whoops big troll
[01:26] <Bizzeh> hellop: .net was designed from the ground up to be portable
[01:26] <Bizzeh> ms even paid for a c# compiler, that builds to java binaries while the other projects write the nix versions of the clr
[01:26] <hellop> Bizzeh, portable to your MS IIS server...  not really open-ish
[01:27] <hellop> Whats clr?
[01:27] <epimeth> Bizzeh: and by 'portable' you mean 'only able to be used on the latest and greatest windows machines', right?
[01:27] <Bizzeh> portable as in, open spec, as in, they are hiring people to write the code for other operating systems
[01:27] <Bizzeh> common language runtimes
[01:27] <Bizzeh> anyway
[01:27] <hellop> lets stop please, we're opening perprtual can of worms
[01:27] <epimeth> because if they meant it to be portable they would have released the .net libraries a long time ago
[01:28] <x89x> Bizzeh : you a .net developer ?/
[01:28] <hellop> .NET = awesome calendar!
[01:28] <Bizzeh> why cant i use my full resolution on kubuntu
[01:28] <hellop> .NET + Linux... not so awesome IMHO
[01:28] <intelikey> can /dev/stdin be used to grab a key stroke ?
[01:28] <Bizzeh> x89x: i have developed in .net
[01:28] <x89x> Bizzeh : Can you change the refresh rate btw ??
[01:28] <epimeth> instead, we have the poor overworked wine fellas desperately trying to reverse engineer them so that we nix users can actually use applications that use .net
[01:29] <Bizzeh> x89x: only allows me to choose 60hz
[01:29] <x89x> Bizzeh : What video card do you have ?
[01:29] <Bizzeh> and max res it allows me is 1400x1050, even though the max res of the monitor is 1680x1050, and the card supports WAY more than that
[01:29] <Bizzeh> ati sapphire hd3870 xt
[01:29] <epimeth> so nobody uses vpnc to connect to the office from home?
[01:30] <x89x> Bizzeh : maybe you need to install the drivers
[01:30] <Bizzeh> tried the latest fglrx package, no luck
[01:30] <dent-42> Bizzeh: When i had my Ati X850XT card, i used to have to manually edit the x.org file to input the max resolution
[01:31] <x89x> Bizzeh : yeah manually edit it and chage hte refresh rates too !
[01:31] <Bizzeh> thats not user friendly now is it
[01:31] <x89x> Bizzeh : its very easy
[01:31] <Bizzeh> x89x: for me yes... because i have done it 100's of times before
[01:31] <Bizzeh> but if my dad was to do this
[01:31] <Bizzeh> he would have taken the monitor and the card back
[01:31] <Bizzeh> and claimed they where broke
[01:31] <yaron__> I think adept just busted my Grub config could anyone help me?
[01:31] <x89x> its easy believe me. I installed fiesty today itslef lol and am trying to help
[01:31] <x89x> lmao
[01:32] <Bizzeh> if your gonna ship an os and claim its better, holier, and mightier than windows... at least make it so
[01:32] <Bizzeh> not trying to start a war, im just saying
[01:33] <Bizzeh> if you want the users, you need to keep it working, and keep it simple
[01:33] <hellop> I'm sick of computers in general.  Computers should have never become mainstream.  VCRs/TIVOs  That's what people really need, not computers.
[01:33] <dent-42> i think the problem still lies with AMD/Ati drivers.  they have started to open up, but i dont think it covers your card... im probably wrong
[01:33] <Bizzeh> my card was covered in the catalyst 7.12
[01:33] <Bizzeh> which is available from ati/amd
[01:33] <Bizzeh> tried that
[01:33] <Bizzeh> no dice
[01:33] <x89x> Bizzeh you know that wizard that runs in the terminal right ?
[01:34] <x89x> the Xorg wizard
[01:34] <Bizzeh> yes, it doesnt let met select 1680x1050
[01:34] <Bizzeh> isnt even listed, skips from 1400x1050 to 1920x1080
[01:34] <x89x> does your driver lista at start ?
[01:34] <Bizzeh> fglrx? yes
[01:36] <intelikey> Bizzeh :)    "if your gonna ship an os and claim its better, holier, and mightier than windows"  <<< that doesn't take much on some of those points.   namely the "holier" for one.
[01:36] <Bizzeh> intelikey: well, since the entire of linux is based on a lie
[01:36] <Bizzeh> claiming to be free, yet uses the gpl
[01:37] <intelikey> Bizzeh and what lie is that ?
[01:37] <Bizzeh> gpl has "forbidden" "restricted" "required" and other such words in it
[01:37] <yaron__> Could someone give me a hand.  I tried to run Adept-Package manager to update my computer and it had a problem.  As a result the menu.lst file in /boot/grub doesn´t have my xp partition in it.  The last time this happened I had to reinstall KUbuntu and I really don want to do that
[01:37] <Bizzeh> those arnt very free words
[01:37] <Bizzeh> your being told what you can and cannot do
[01:37] <Bizzeh> not being offered a choice
[01:37] <intelikey> Bizzeh did you actually read the gpl ?
[01:38] <Bizzeh> yes
[01:39] <intelikey> Bizzeh you're being told that you can't claim sole ownership(propritary rights) of the origenal code.      like duh.
[01:39] <intelikey> it belongs to all of us.   </shrugs>
[01:39] <Bizzeh> your being told you cannot use the code under certain circumstances
[01:39] <Bizzeh> your being forbidden from doing certain things to it
[01:39] <Dragnslcr> Bizzeh- that's not true
[01:39] <Bizzeh> your required to keep certain things as they are
[01:40] <Dragnslcr> The GPL doesn't restrict use at all, only distribution
[01:40] <intelikey> nope.
[01:40] <Bizzeh> read it properly
[01:40] <Bizzeh> anyway
[01:40] <Bizzeh> i need sleep
[01:40] <intelikey> Bizzeh you also need to read the M$ EULA !
[01:41] <Bizzeh> i have
[01:41] <intelikey> it says you don't own even the right to use what you have to pay for, that they own your hardware because their code tuched it.
[01:41] <Bizzeh> i also realised that when i got windows, i paid for a licence, not for the software, so i expected and understood
[01:41] <Bizzeh> windows in no way has any claims to be free
[01:41] <Bizzeh> linux does, and its not
[01:42] <Bizzeh> its the hypocracy of linux that anoys me
[01:42] <intelikey> so don't use!
[01:42] <Bizzeh> no choice
[01:42] <Bizzeh> work forces me to do
[01:42] <intelikey> you didn't pay for it either.
[01:42] <Bizzeh> i didnt pay for linux, because it claims to be free software
[01:42] <intelikey> :)
[01:43] <Bizzeh> yet it says i must and am forbidden to do certain things
[01:43] <bobby55> BSD license
[01:43] <yaron__> anyone know of a way to force grub to search for other os
[01:43] <intelikey> update-grub
[01:44] <Bizzeh> bobby55: i do use bsd as one of my primary os's
[01:44] <Bizzeh> but i cant use it at work, because linux is required to keep a perfect mirror of the server
[01:45] <bobby55> ah ok.. i'm not the most tech savvy of people.  Did use PC-BSD, quite nice i thought
[01:45] <intelikey> so windows can't do it and you have to use linux to get the job done .....
[01:45] <draik> How do I make the drive size for VMware bigger?
[01:45] <Bizzeh> intelikey: windows cant be linux... no
[01:45] <draik> intelikey: Isn't that usually the idea? ;)
[01:45] <Bizzeh> i need to use linux, because our production servers are linux...
[01:45] <intelikey> Bizzeh :)    "if your gonna ship an os and claim its better, holier, and mightier than windows"  <<< that doesn't take much on some of those points.   namely the "mighter" for one.
[01:46] <Bizzeh> and for me to make a 100% mirror, the mirrors have to run linux
[01:46] <bobby55> to be fair to Bizzeh i think he was refering to his problems with the ATi card and not getting the max resolution...
[01:46] <bobby55> i think so.. sorry for putting words in ur mouth in thats wrong
[01:46] <Bizzeh> intelikey: its a proven fact, from many a place, NT is vastly faster and more powerfull, and in general, does things better, than linux... (as a kernel/arch)
[01:46] <intelikey> bobby55 yes i know.
[01:47] <bobby55> ah ok
[01:47] <bobby55> quite tired at this end.. i should probably keep out of this, lol
[01:47] <Bizzeh> im gonna end this now
[01:47] <Bizzeh> by going to bed
[01:47] <Bizzeh> since its nearly 2am
[01:47] <Bizzeh> and i need to be up at 7
[01:47] <intelikey> bobby55 actually both Bizzeh and intelikey should keep out of it. :)
[01:47] <bobby55> lol
[01:48] <draik> Where do I go to get VMware help? What is the channel?
[01:48] <yaron__> intelikey update-grub ran, but it didn´t find my xp partition.  The kubuntu installer found it.  any ideas?
[01:49] <intelikey> yaron__ ummm add by hand ?
[01:49] <yaron__> think you could walk me through the process?
[01:50] <intelikey> yaron__ kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst    there is an example.
[01:50] <yaron__> thanks
[01:51] <bsundsrud> anyone have experience with ksyanaptics? (touchpad)
[01:51] <intelikey> yaron__ i don't have grub on this box so i can't tell you which line  but scroll down and there is an example for a windows partition.    it's pretty streight forward.   the lable and the  (hd0,0)  may need to be adjusted.
[01:52] <yaron__> thats the problem, I don know how to find which hardddrive it is on
[01:53] <intelikey> yaron__   less /proc/partitions
[01:53] <yaron__> thanks
[01:53] <intelikey> yaron__    also of interest     sudo fdisk -l
[01:53] <Roey> yaron__:  you know there's an #israel here too
[01:54] <intelikey> but do remember that you are looking at partitions not file systems    i.e. could be listed as a win95 partition and have a ntfs fs on it.
[01:56] <crackhead_25_> hey guys, i need help getting my audio to work. i am trying to install the audigy drivers in alsa, but i'm kind of lost...
[01:57] <intelikey> anyway what that guy ^ didn't seem to grasp was  FOSS == Free Open Source Software     open source means you can read edit copy share the code,  and free means it doesn't cost you anything.
[01:57] <crackhead_25_> intelikey: can you helpme get my alsa drivers working?
[01:58] <intelikey> crackhead_25_ i can point you at   #alsa   where if you'll be patient you'll get really good help.
[01:58] <bobby55> intelikey: why i didnt get involved that much in that FOSS conversation
[01:58] <intelikey> or show you the standard bot reply
[01:58] <crackhead_25_> intelikey: is that alsa channel going to be as slow as the cups channel? i tried asking a question there days ago, and i still haven't heard back
[01:58] <intelikey> !sound | crackhead_25_
[01:58] <ubotu> crackhead_25_: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:59] <crackhead_25_> intelikey: yeah my sound system is enabled. it was fine the other day. i did a feisty to gutsy upgrade. now it doesn't work.
[01:59] <intelikey> crackhead_25_ some times it is.  but some times you ask and get an answer about this quick.
[01:59] <intelikey> crackhead_25_ the trouble shooting page "might" help... ^
[01:59] <yaron__> ok going to reboot, hopefully everything works, wish me luck
[02:00] <crackhead_25_> intelikey: i think i went through all the troubleshooting, though
[02:00] <intelikey> crackhead_25_ ok   join the alsa channel and read the topic
[02:00] <intelikey> they have a script for you to run.
[02:03] <crackhead_25_> intelikey: i'm trying that channel. we'll see. let you know.
[02:03] <intelikey> k
[02:03] <yulprand> hola
[02:04]  * intelikey isn't really very good with sound.  i do usually manage to get my own working... but that doesn't mean much.
[02:04] <intelikey> !es | yulprand hola
[02:04] <ubotu> yulprand hola: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:04] <yulprand> gracias mi pana
[02:05] <yulprand> ;)
[02:05] <hellop> FOSS at least once a day preferably after each meal.
[02:05] <bobby55> LOL
[02:06] <bobby55> hellop: i'll have to remember that one
[02:06] <hellop> feel free to quote me!
[02:08] <hellop> But since most IRC is logged, we're all famous.
[02:09] <hellop> Which makes me regret my many drunken rantings.
[02:10] <rewati> hey i am not gettin sound on my laptop i tried the link i was given to correct it i installed alsa but still i am not gettin sound smbody help me
[02:12] <yaron__> intelikey: that worked out well for me thanks
[02:12] <intelikey> yaron__ tov
[02:12] <rewati> hey i am not gettin sound on my laptop i tried the link i was given to correct it i installed alsa but still i am not gettin sound smbody help me
[02:13] <yaron__> ok I got work tomorrow morning.  Lets hope I don break anything else :)
[02:13] <yaron__> bye all
[02:13] <yaron__> exit
[02:13] <intelikey> rewati if no one in here helps  /join #alsa
[02:16] <Daisuke_Laptop> or pray that hardy's released on time, as it includes the new version by default
[02:17] <bobby55> speaking of Hardy, whats the benefits of Pulse Audio  ??
[02:18] <imaginenetx> anyone able to explain how to run an install script? I downloaded vmplayer, and extracted it...but now I don't know how to install the app
[02:19] <intelikey> !vmware
[02:19] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[02:19] <bobby55> Image: there should be a file in there something lime vmware-installer.pl    use sudo ./vmware-installer.pl
[02:19] <intelikey> imaginenetx did you try    sh install_script_name
[02:20] <bobby55> sorry ./ or sh  at the beginning as Intelikey said
[02:20] <imaginenetx> rgr, i will try that
[02:20] <intelikey> bobby55 yeah it probably does need sudo tho
[02:20] <kiefer> Is there a good midi player for kubuntu?
[02:20] <imaginenetx> i had no idea how to even run a script! lol
[02:21] <bobby55> Imagine: and when installing it'll ask you many questions.. just press return to use the default settings
[02:21] <intelikey> kiefer timidi ?
[02:21] <intelikey> !midi
[02:21] <bobby55> well i did anyway
[02:21] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[02:22] <kiefer> intelikey: cheers
[02:22] <intelikey> imaginenetx default ubuntu does not have  ./ in the path   i.e. things that you are looking at are not seen as commands unless you happen to be looking in *bin/
[02:22] <imaginenetx> thanks intelikey
[02:24] <imaginenetx> so...how would I know if that just worked? it gave me some feedback, but some was "command not found" and such
[02:24] <intelikey> imaginenetx the second thing to know is that file names are not used in linux to denote executability    i.e.   blah.exe  or  blah.sh  is no more thought of as executable than blah.txt is    it's the permissions bit that marks it executable or not.
[02:24] <imaginenetx> ahhhh
[02:25] <imaginenetx> should I have done a sudo sh ./vm***
[02:25] <imaginenetx> ?
[02:25] <intelikey> imaginenetx well.  normally "no error means no error"   so if you are seeing error messages then you probably have errors.
[02:25] <imaginenetx> hahah
[02:26] <imaginenetx> rgr, its got some errors on a few lines...I will read the vmware docs to see if they are relevant to what I am doing
[02:27] <intelikey> imaginenetx path is only needed if it's not in the $PWD.   i.e.  sudo sh /exact/path/to/file     or sudo sh path/to/file  <(relitive path)     if you are in /exact/
[02:28] <imaginenetx> $PWD = present working directory right?
[02:28] <biovore> pwd
[02:28] <intelikey> yeah
[02:28] <biovore> Print Working Directory
[02:29] <intelikey> biovore pwd is a command   $PWD is a shell variable
[02:29] <biovore> $PWD=`pwd`
[02:29] <biovore> :-P
[02:29] <intelikey> usually
[02:31] <intelikey> hmmm windows viste  wont boot.   it keeps saying i have to accept their license, which of course there is no way i'm going to...
[02:31] <bobby55> lol
[02:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> um
[02:31] <bobby55> lovely MS EULA..... "we own you and your content!"
[02:32] <bobby55> lol
[02:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, that's pretty standard...  if you don't accept the license you don't use the software
[02:33] <intelikey> it's pretty standard for me to drop a linux cd in and issue    cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda    too
[02:34]  * intelikey is like "partitions? what partitions?"
[02:36] <imaginenetx> damn...installing this virtual machine is a bit over my head =/
[02:36] <imaginenetx> i found a good walk-thru, but i lack some of the basic skills to get it going real quick
[02:36] <bobby55> whats the matter Imagine ?
[02:37] <belladonna> i have two monitors and two graphics cards (nvidia) how do i setup xorg to recognize the second monitor/graphics card?
[02:37] <helge_> In xp I get 70 fps when doing a stress test of Half-Life 2, In kubuntu Gutsy (same machine) I get 21 fps. Anything I can do to improve the situation?
[02:37] <NickPresta> helge_, turn off Compiz, if it is running
[02:38] <helge_> it is off
[02:38] <rewati> hey i am not gettin sound on my laptop i tried the link i was given to correct it i installed alsa but still i am not gettin sound smbody help me
[02:38] <intelikey> can't resize the partition because of the page file.  can't turn off the paging because of the license agreement    so the partition that the recovery disk made will simply have to go...
[02:41] <Frederick> hi folks
[02:42] <Frederick> can I have some support with setting up x and nvidia?
[02:42] <hellop> intelikey   wait wait what?
[02:42] <Frederick> ive installed nvidia glz nvidia kernel was not found :/
[02:42] <hellop> intelikey, you can turn off page file in windows
[02:43] <intelikey> hellop no.  not without accepting the license
[02:43] <hellop> intelikey, if your set of recovery disks makes the partition, then it seems you don't "need" the partition
[02:43] <intelikey> can't be done.
[02:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> oiy, if you want to use it, accept the license.
[02:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> if not, blow it away
[02:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> and forget about the license
[02:43] <hellop> huh??  your morals won't allow you to accept a license agreement?
[02:44] <intelikey> hellop the recovery disk made the partition   because it installed windows
[02:44] <hellop> Who even reads those?
[02:44] <hellop> After purchase contracts are not even legal.
[02:45] <NickPresta> hellop, people who care about freedom, the legality of their actions, etc. Why not?
[02:45] <bobby55> i did once when i was bored.. read the MSN messenger EULA.. was quite worried with some of the detials
[02:45] <intelikey> hellop actually no.  but morals is only secondary in that case, i wouldn't accept a M$ license for $.*
[02:45] <hellop> intelikey, yes but don't let the choice of clicking accept/decline inconvience you.
[02:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, if you don't like it, don't accept it - and then don't use the product that's covered by the EULA
[02:46] <intelikey> hellop i'm not.  i deleted the partition table.
[02:46]  * intelikey doesn't generally use partitions anyway.
[02:46] <hellop> intelikey, well I'm confused as to why you needed recovery media just to delete the HD
[02:46] <crusader_> hello everyone, can someone please help me with installing LTSP on edubuntu?
[02:47] <intelikey> hellop "need"  ???
[02:47] <hellop> intelikey "used"
[02:47] <intelikey> did i say need at any time ?
[02:48] <intelikey> yeah i used it.   thought i might put the other os back on the lappy in case someone else wanted to give the hardware to M$   not that i was ever going too
[02:48] <crusader_> hello can someone please help me with LTSP installation?
[02:48] <hellop> intelikey, I assumed you wanted to dual boot and were deciding if you needed to keep the "recovery" partition...  sorry if I butted in
[02:48] <intelikey> hellop that was the idea.
[02:49] <intelikey> but seeing that i can't set it up,  the idea is scraped.
[02:49] <hellop> intelikey, oh well, then delete the recovery partition because it seems your disks can recreate can install Windows without it
[02:50] <intelikey> you are behind.   i said way up there 6
[02:50] <intelikey> i have already deleted the partition table.
[02:50] <intelikey> i.e. all partitions.
[02:50] <hellop> ut oh, am I drunken ranting again?    so...   Kubuntu looks kinda sad compared to Ubuntu.  What gives?
[02:51] <intelikey> :)
[02:51] <bobby55> well Ubuntu is the flagship version isn't it ? guess they put more effort in.. im running Kubuntu first thingi do is change reskin the whole thing, lol
[02:52] <bobby55> sorry for bad spelling, rather tired here
[02:53] <hellop> bobby55, well... for me, thank god for Kubuntu as the apps I need require KDE..
[02:54]  * regeya mutters something about kde apps running outside of kde, but also thanks god for kubuntu
[02:54] <bobby55> yes most app's i prefer are KDE ones, and i prefer the layout of the contral centre etc over Gnome
[02:55] <bobby55> but personal preferencs
[02:55] <regeya> anyone been around long enough to remember people on the forums threatening to 'leave ubuntu' if there was ever a kubuntu?
[02:55] <bobby55> how long ago was that ? i've only been a linux/ubuntu user for a year
[02:55] <hellop> regeya,   lol  I guess there's good and bad points to forking projects
[02:56] <intelikey> regeya they could be doing that now and i wouldn't know.
[02:56] <intelikey> but i have been around long enough
[02:57] <intelikey> bobby55 ubuntu hached in 03
[02:57] <bobby55> how long was it untill Kubuntu came along ?
[02:57] <frank23> regeya: that was before my time and I think there has a been a kubuntu since hoary (5.04)
[02:57] <intelikey> the next year
[02:57] <Strangework> I accidentally changed some settings in knetworkmanager, I can no longer connect to the internet through that computer. How can I restore my configuration to a past setup?
[02:58] <hellop> So, I'm working on a Video game mod to an existing mod.  The mod source is sent to every client, but the makers have obfuscated the code.  I'm trying to explain to them, they only add a small delay, and that their mod is actually open source.  Then I was flamed for trying a coup de etat.
[02:58] <regeya> hehe intelikey
[02:59] <hellop> I'm trying to convince this community of teenagers of the benefits of open source.  Especially on projects where you don't make money.  Like a game mod.
[02:59] <regeya> you ought to dig around on the ubuntu forums, frank23.  much of it is quite entertaining.
[03:00]  * intelikey comes here for laughs
[03:00] <hellop> Strangework  ummm  like set your IP and add your route.
[03:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> hellop: just saying here...  trying to convince teenagers that not making money is better than making money is futile at best :)
[03:00] <mrunagi> i dont feel good =(
[03:01] <hellop> Daisuke_Laptop, yes, but they're already not making money, so why obfuscate?
[03:01] <Strangework> hellop: Well, I am not sure what to put in the separate fields, such as gateway and broadcast. What should I do?
[03:01] <Strangework> mrunagi: What's the matter?
[03:01] <mrunagi> im sick or [some variant like that
[03:01] <regeya> hellop: are they afraid of cheating or something?  seems weird.
[03:02] <regeya> mrunagi: I feel for you.
[03:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> hellop: true
[03:02] <regeya>                   
[03:02] <mrunagi> awww thanks
[03:02]  * regeya is sick also
[03:02] <mrunagi> the worst part is that i felt ok last night
[03:02] <mrunagi> sup nosrednaekim
[03:02] <hellop> Strangework, ok  lemme see if I can remember.  No I can't.  U need to set IP with ifconfig, then do: shit   route add default gw 192.168.0.1 eth0
[03:02] <regeya> I honestly wonder if the weird flu season here is part of a diabolical plot; these symptoms sound like a 'debilitate the enemy troops' sort of flu
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> hey mrunagi
[03:03] <intelikey> s/sick/[ill,desiesed,poisoned,infected]/g  @ mrunagi
[03:03] <hellop> then add your DNS to /etc/resolv.conf   verison's DNS is good and open  so echo "nameserver 4.2.2.2" /etc/resolv.conf  I think
[03:03] <mrunagi> !yum
[03:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yum - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:03] <regeya> no projectile vomiting or anything; just hurts to move.
[03:03] <regeya> also, total lack of energy.  I've not slept this much since my daughter was born. :->
[03:04] <intelikey> !botshack | mrunagi
[03:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botshack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:04] <regeya> !botsnack
[03:04] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:04] <intelikey> !botsnack | mrunagi
[03:04] <ubotu> mrunagi: please see above
[03:04] <regeya> lol
[03:04] <intelikey> beten by a typo
[03:04] <intelikey> beaten
[03:04] <frank23> lol
[03:04] <intelikey> no wonder i couldn't get past the EULA
[03:05] <intelikey> !opsnack | all around
[03:05] <ubotu> all around: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[03:07] <yao_ziyuan> does my Windows key really lose its use in Linux?
[03:07] <crackhead_25> intelikey: i went through a whole bunch of stuff with alsa channel, and they didn't get sound to work.. help?
[03:07] <yao_ziyuan> the key used to start the Start Menu
[03:08] <intelikey> crackhead_25 if they can't.   no need in me looking at it.
[03:08] <crackhead_25> intelikey: i think it has to do with feisty to gutsy upgrade i did, rather than the driver itself.. i think it has to do with the changes kubuntu made..
[03:08] <intelikey> crackhead_25 go in #ubuntu and see if crimsun is there   he "might" be able to
[03:09] <hellop> echo "nameserver 4.2.2.2" /etc/resolv.conf   does that even work?   maybe cat "nameserver 4.2.2.2" > /etc/resolv.conf
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> yao_ziyuan» no... its simpl called the "meta"  or "super key" and is probably not assigned to anything
[03:09] <hellop> Strangework, you fix it yet?
[03:11] <Israphel> how can i install Jahshaka?
[03:11] <intelikey> crackhead_25 i'll have a quick glance at it.     grep -q 0 /proc/asound/cards && cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp          <<< do you hear anything ?
[03:12] <Israphel> !Jahshaka
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jahshaka - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <crackhead_25> intelikey: nope
[03:13] <Strangewor2> hellop: SOrry, I didn't understand that. :\ Actually, what program generated the initial configuration file? Could I make it generate another one?
[03:13] <hellop> Strangewor2, can I DCC you?  I will help...
[03:13] <Strangewor2> hellop: DCC? Excuse me?
[03:14] <hellop> Strangewor2, chat
[03:14] <hellop> Strangewor2, what IRC client are you using?
[03:14] <Strangewor2> hellop: h/o, I think I have to change my nick back to normal and verify it is me first.
[03:14] <Strangewor2> Pidgin
[03:14] <intelikey> crackhead_25   lshw -C multimedia     <<< show you anything ?
[03:14] <Israphel> i want to install Jahshaka
[03:15] <crackhead_25> yeah.. pastebin. one sec.
[03:15] <hellop> I'm confused now.   If you want, I will chat with you out of this channel.  You must accept my DDC chat request.
[03:15] <crackhead_25> http://pastebin.ca/925575
[03:16] <Strangewor2> hellop: I did, though I cannot hear you speak
[03:16] <hellop> uhh Strangewor2  type /join #hellop
[03:16] <intelikey> crackhead_25 lsmod | grep snd    > pastebin
[03:20] <intelikey> tty3 [greg@dell:~] pastebin `which pastebin`
[03:20] <intelikey> pasting file /usr/local/bin/pastebin
[03:20] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3177d07a
[03:20] <intelikey> that script is so handy.......
[03:21] <intelikey> tty3 [greg@dell:~] cat `which mem` | pastebin
[03:21] <intelikey> reading standard input
[03:21] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d3dbfc7ef
[03:22] <yuji> what should I use to view .diff files?
[03:22] <intelikey> kdiff ?
[03:22] <intelikey> !info kdiff
[03:22] <ubotu> Package kdiff does not exist in gutsy
[03:22] <yuji> thanks. i'll grab it.
[03:22] <intelikey> ooops.
[03:22] <intelikey> maybe not.
[03:22] <hydrogen> vi ?
[03:22] <intelikey> hydrogen :)
[03:23] <intelikey> cat
[03:23] <intelikey> but if i was going to sujest anything like that   id say "less"
[03:23] <intelikey> cause less is more than more
[03:25] <intelikey> less is a full featured text editor with the "edit" feature     lol
[03:39] <Strangewor2> I accidentally messed up my wireless configuartion on my other laptop, I can no longer connect to the internet from it. How may I restore the configuration to a past one?
[03:40] <intelikey> Strangewor2 iirc knetwork manager writes changes to /etc/network/interfaces   you might have a look there
[03:41] <intelikey> not sure there is an easy way to just "revert"
[03:41] <BanTam> if there is i havent found out about it yet
[03:41] <BanTam> lol
[03:43] <intelikey> ignorance of a thing is not proff of non-existance of said thing.
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> intelikey» ah... that was said very well :)
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> intelikey» what the! you are running as ROOT!
[03:44] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: he always has :)
[03:44]  * intelikey root ???     
[03:44] <intelikey> im not root.  im init
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> :43] [Whois] intelikey is n=root@dialup-4.226.45.43.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net (root)
[03:44] <Jucato> :)
[03:45] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: n= could be faked too :)
[03:45] <Strangewor2> intelikey: It works! Thank you! :D
[03:45] <intelikey> it is.
[03:45] <intelikey> Strangewor2 welcome
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> I was about to say, if its faked, then I would think he'd at least the depressing messages that "dialup" has
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> *least drop
[03:46] <intelikey> heh   that "could be faked too"  :)
[03:46] <Frederick> Folks I keep having Xorg issues I cant boot it it reports (WW)NVIDIA: no matching Device section for instance (BUS ID PCI:2:0:0) found
[03:46] <Frederick> when I try to boot it hangs on a black screen I dont even see the nvidia logo from the driver
[03:47] <intelikey> Frederick WW is not an EE
[03:47] <Frederick> intelikey: Im trying to provide as much info as I can
[03:47] <Frederick> no one seems to ber able to help
[03:47] <regeya> intelikey: your ident reminds me of why I used to get po'ed at the #debian (yes, on freenode) guys for their bot throwing such a tizzy over root@
[03:47] <intelikey> !nv | Frederick reinstall the driver ?
[03:47] <ubotu> Frederick reinstall the driver ?: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:47] <Frederick> I remmember having this issue on the first intal I dont remmember how
[03:47] <regeya> also, toor was forbidden
[03:48] <Frederick> intelikey: nvidia-glx is installed
[03:48] <regeya> I know b/c I earned a lengthy kickban for changing my ident to toor
[03:48] <regeya> then berating the op for being a jerk about it
[03:48] <regeya> :->
[03:48] <intelikey> regeya heh.  yeah debian will let you join but you can't talk   and they msg spam you with bot info about root
[03:48] <Frederick> intelikey: im on a single screen cause alt+number doesnt give me new windows
[03:48] <Frederick> it is an issue from the installer I think
[03:49] <intelikey> Frederick ok.   i'll pass then.
[03:50] <regeya> intelikey at one time they had a bot named something like CrowBot and it'd start in with 'CAW! CAW!  regeya is irc'ing as ROOT!!!!!'
[03:50] <regeya> very immature.  not totally misguided, though.
[03:50] <intelikey> regeya you brow beet the ops in debian too ???
[03:50] <regeya> heh
[03:50] <regeya> haven't in ages
[03:55] <intelikey> i didn't like the atmosphere but i did like the SOP for people with ident=root in chatjunkies.org:linux   someone generally asked if you knew that irc clients have exploits and that irc'ing as root could get you owned    and that was about the end of it...  if you wanted to play with fire, that was your business.    that's more the way it should be   imo.
[03:55] <hydrogen> ..
[03:55] <hydrogen> yes
[03:55] <hydrogen> People really really overexagerate the danger of ircing as root
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> heh
[03:56] <Frederick> Folks I need help setting up X server with a nvidia 8800 and a lg lcd monitor
[03:56] <regeya> debian folks are as likely to assume that you're also using the root account for your day-to-day ops, and give you a lecture about that as well
[03:56]  * regeya did that for a while in the early days; hey, I ame from dos, where everything is 'as root'
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> later guys....
[03:57] <intelikey> well whether they do or dont exagerate, the point is it doesn't cost them anything if you run sshd and passwordless root login      what i mean is "you aint my freeking guardian, so shut up!"    ya know...
[03:57] <Frederick> I cant boot Xorg it reports (WW)NVIDIA: no matching Device section for instance (BUS ID PCI:2:0:0) found
[04:00] <intelikey> like i quit letting anyone tell me what to do with my compute .... day one!   hour one!   minute one!      and i'm not about to start listening to some irc "know it all"  (like me)  who doesn't have half a clue anyway.
[04:01] <Yuji> what key did i press on accident to turn my window transparent?
[04:01] <intelikey> !affects
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about affects - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <intelikey> !effects
[04:01] <Yuji> maybe that was compiz. i'll ask there.
[04:01] <ubotu> Desktop Effects are supported on graphics cards that use the default Intel and ATI drivers and the restricted !NVIDIA drivers, except for the following, which are blacklisted due to stability/compatibility issues: Intel 965, ATI Rs480 and Rv350, ATI Mobility x300, x600 and x700 - Join #compiz-fusion for anything not officially supported by Ubuntu
[04:02] <hellop> intelikey, well back in the windows 2000 days you could just type in someone's IP in your browser, and et full access because they have Administrator acct with no password.
[04:03] <intelikey> hellop yeah.   not unlike win9x where all accounts were admin.  and you didnt even need an account
[04:04] <hellop> I'm drunk!
[04:04] <intelikey> that's not new   :)
[04:13] <tuxwulf> ooooowkay ... next problem: How to input CJK? SCIM seems to have some problems on 7.10
[04:21] <Aloha> is there a way to add auto-join channels in konversation by right clicking and not by going to server settings?
[04:21] <intelikey> what causes this issue   "Permission denied (publickey,password). "  ???  and don't say the password, cause that's not the problem.
[04:22] <surgy> how do i add a new user to my samba server?
[04:22] <intelikey> smb[tab][tab]   help any ?
[04:23] <Aloha> the password
[04:23] <surgy> ahh i got it i think but thnx anyways
[04:23]  * intelikey ignores that....
[04:25] <intelikey> umm if iptables is not installed then i don't have any firewall rules   correct ?
[04:25] <intelikey> it wouldn't be a firewall anyway.  (dummy)
[04:26] <intelikey> i am clueless why i get that error message.
[04:27] <intelikey> if you don't specify anything to listen to    does sshd listen to everything ?
[04:27] <jumpkick> I wish Ktorrent were stable like it once was
[04:28] <jumpkick> intelikey: it listens to whatever is in the /etc/sshd configs
[04:28] <jumpkick> it probably won't start with no port
[04:29] <jumpkick> or it will look it up in /etc/services
[04:29] <surgy> this is gay
[04:29] <intelikey> which by default is nothing
[04:29] <surgy> im trying to share one folder and its subdirectories using samba, so that my windows vista laptop can access it
[04:29] <jumpkick> yay emerald just crashed again
[04:30] <intelikey> !samba
[04:30] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[04:30] <surgy> it shows up in windows vista and asks for a password and user name but nothing works, not even my root pw and user
[04:30] <noodles12> surgy: did u set a user for samba?
[04:31] <surgy> i right click the file and allow all users.......
[04:31] <mixed> I think I just found a bug, I have to press "alt-tab" to view my appz after I minimize them, or is it a "feature"????
[04:31] <jumpkick> I wonder if it's possible to downgrade to KDE 3.4
[04:31] <jumpkick> back to when the bits where stable
[04:32] <noodles12> mixed: what do u mean? you can't click on them to open? (alt+tab) to scroll thru your apps is normal on windows and linux
[04:32] <mixed> noodles12, after I minimize an app the only way I can get to it is by pressing "alt-tab", I don't see it anywhere else
[04:33] <mrdigital> can someone help me move to kubuntu from windows?
[04:33] <intelikey> normal on windows and linux <<< not normal on blackbox twm or xfce    err may be on xfce   but anyway  it's DE specific
[04:33] <mixed> mrdigital, how many hard drives do you have?
[04:35] <noodles12> mixed: do u have a taskbar?
[04:35] <mrdigital> 3
[04:35] <mixed> noodles12, yes, but nothing shows up  there once I minimize the app
[04:35] <mrdigital> 2 Sata 1 pata
[04:36] <mixed> mrdigital, if you have an extra hard drive then I suggest you format the extra hard drive using GPARTED LIVE CD and then download kubuntu and install it on the second hard drive, it'll configure itself to do the dual boot on its own
[04:37] <mrdigital> mixed i understand that part
[04:37] <mrdigital> already dual booted
[04:37] <mrdigital> how can i find linux version/alternative to the windows apps im using
[04:38] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d22020b58  <<< why can't i do this ?
[04:38] <mixed> mrdigital, do you have kubuntu installed already? if  you do and there is a specific app you have in mind, ask away
[04:39] <intelikey> mrdigital google.com/linux    is one place   irc.freenode.net   is another... there are lots of places.
[04:39] <Aloha> mrdigital: what app is it?
[04:40] <noodles12> mrdigital: yea if u google. there are lists that show linux/qindows equivz. i can't my bookmark for it
[04:41] <Aloha> i googled your mom
[04:41] <mrdigital> http://www.linuxalt.com/
[04:42] <yurimxpxman> is there any way to get artwork onto a 6th generation ipod?
[04:43] <Aloha> yurimxpxman: tape
[04:52] <ForgeAus> if Trolltech goes commercial what does that mean for QT and KDE?
[04:55] <hydrogen> err
[04:55] <hydrogen> it's already commercial
[04:55] <hydrogen> so it would mean
[04:55] <hydrogen> things don't change
[04:55] <pnukeid> my vga riva tnt 64, after installing my kubuntu can display max until 1024x786, but now  max res only 800x600, anybody know the problem with this ?
[04:59] <Frederick> folks how do I add an user to the video group?
[05:00] <maduser> from the system settings or terminal?
[05:00] <Frederick> maduser: kubuntu complains my user has no acces to load x
[05:00] <Frederick> I need to be sure he can do it
[05:00] <Frederick> from terminal
[05:01] <Frederick> xauth:  creating new authority file /home/imanewbie/.serverauth.20644
[05:01] <vikku_>  iam thinkg to take back up of kubuntu desktop, so i can resize/partition my disk
[05:01] <vikku_> what are the files i shud bak up for desktop
[05:07] <pnukeid> heloo
[05:16] <Dhraakellian> I'm trying to set up my computer so that I can ssh in on port 8022
[05:17] <Dhraakellian> ntryon@tinuviel ~ $ ssh -p 8022 alatar
[05:17] <Dhraakellian> Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
[05:17] <Dhraakellian> does Kubuntu have some sort of firewall running by default?
[05:17] <Dhraakellian> I do have the Port 8022 in my sshd_config
[05:18] <Daisuke_Ido> do you have it set in your router?
[05:18] <Dhraakellian> 8022 is forwarded to Alatar, yes
[05:18] <Dhraakellian> Tinuviel is on the same LAN though
[05:18] <Dhraakellian> (22 is forwarded to my dad's box, which is why I'm trying to get this working)
[05:19] <pnukeid> my vga riva tnt 64, after installing my kubuntu can display max until 1024x786, but now  max res only 800x600, anybody know the problem with this ?
[05:21] <Daisuke_Ido> Dhraakellian: is it not accepting the connection because you aren't specifying a username?
[05:21] <Dhraakellian> -p 22 works
[05:21] <Daisuke_Ido> odd
[05:21] <Dhraakellian> ntryon@alatar fails too
[05:21] <Aloha> pnukeid: did you enable restricted drivers?
[05:21] <Daisuke_Ido> but to answer the original question, no, there are no default rules set ing iptables
[05:22] <Dhraakellian> ntryon@tinuviel ~ $ ssh -p 8888 alatar
[05:22] <Dhraakellian> ssh: connect to host alatar port 8888: Connection refused
[05:22] <Dhraakellian> -p <wrong port> gives a different error message
[05:23] <Dhraakellian> a friend on another network said that it looked like a firewall issue
[05:23] <K`zan> Openoffice just quit running anything, is this just me here or is it the result of the update I did earlier?!?  TIA
[05:24] <K`zan> even trying to spawn it from command line any of the parts just sits there and does nothing.
[05:25] <K`zan> Lemme try rebooting again and see what happens.
[05:28] <mikesa81> Who here has voted on ubuntu brainstorm for more support for kubuntu?! http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/478/
[05:32] <hydrogen> don't spam.
[05:36] <K`zan> Removed and purged OO and reinstalled and it still will not come up - does *nothing* :-(.  I be screwed :-(
[05:37] <K`zan> In theory running:
[05:37] <K`zan> vw        6270  0.0  0.0   1752   524 ?        S    21:30   0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice -session=10df9a7463000120452038000000061880025 -nologo
[05:37] <K`zan> but no signs of it on any desktop...
[05:39] <K`zan> Sigh, I hope that old laptop in the closet still has m$ office on it (ugh), fortunately the files I need are available, assuming m$hit will be able to read them.
[05:45] <crackhead_25> can anyone help me get my sound to work again???
[05:47] <newGuy> when I do something like:   docommand ~user2/datafiles/9.dat                         what does the docommand program actually get passed, that string or the full path?
[05:48] <hydrogen> the full path
[05:48] <hydrogen> bash expands it
[05:48] <newGuy> hmm, wierd....
[05:48] <newGuy> I wrote my own MIPS assembler...
[05:48] <newGuy> and it works fine if the source file is in the directory with it
[05:49] <hydrogen> easy way to tell.. echo ~user2/roar
[05:49] <newGuy> but if I pass in something from elsewhere it dies.
[05:49] <newGuy> segfaults, actually.
[06:00] <Dhraakellian> okay, so 8888 works when I put that in my sshd_config
[06:00] <Dhraakellian> so why wouldn't 8022?
[06:07]  * Dhraakellian just gives in and changes the port forwarding settings on the router to use a different port
[06:08] <band4life> hi, I am using amarok in gnome, and I was wonderin if I can use my media buttons on my laptop.
[06:08] <Dhraakellian> if amarok's global shortcuts work, I'd guess yes
[06:08] <band4life> global shortcuts?
[06:08] <Dhraakellian> if amarok's global shortcuts work, and your media buttons work, I'd guess yes
[06:09] <Dhraakellian> Settings > Configure Global Shortcuts...
[06:09] <Dhraakellian> in amarok
[06:09] <band4life> okey dokey brb
[06:10] <band4life> ok nm.  I just realized that amarok crashed like 4 hours ago and I still havent rebooted.  It wont reopen for some reason.  but Ill check it out thanks
[06:11] <mrunagi_> !64
[06:11] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[06:12] <band4life> what is a good virus detection, and deletion software?
[06:14] <Dhraakellian> band4life: on linux, clamAV
[06:15] <Dhraakellian> haven't done much with it, so I can't give more than a name
[06:15] <band4life> dhraakellian  thanks
[06:15] <Dhraakellian> I know there's a KDE frontend
[06:15] <Dhraakellian> dunno about gtk/gnome frontends
[06:15]  * Dhraakellian shrugs and wanders off
[06:20] <ubuntu> hi all what's the default chkdsk cli?
[06:22] <crackhead_25> how do i stop a running module???
[06:22] <Antkin> Hello
[06:22] <ubuntu> crackhead modprobe start a module..
[06:23] <klobster> crackhead_25 are their seriously 24 other crackheads on IRC?
[06:25] <ubuntu> crackhead_25: but that's for the kernel.  you can simply set a module to not run at startup.
[06:27] <Antkin> Does anyone need help with dual, triple or quad booting?
[06:31] <crackhead_25> Antkin: how do i stop a module that is running and reload it?
[06:31] <Antkin> crackhead_25 can you please give me more details?
[06:32] <crackhead_25> i just recompiled ca0106 and reinstalled it. i was having a problem, i thought, with my sound .. since i upgraded from feisty to gutsy.. now i want to stop ca0106 which is running, and i want to reload the newly compiled ones
[06:33] <crackhead_25> antkin: you see?
[06:34] <crackhead_25> Antkin: more details above there. sorry
[06:35] <crackhead_25> Antkin: and how do i make sure the new modules are always loaded, instead of any of the old ones?
[06:36] <Antkin> crackhead_25 have you posted this problem on Kubuntu software forums?
[06:36] <crackhead_25> um, it's not a software problem. i want to know how to remove a module that is currently busy/running..
[06:38] <Antkin> crackhead_25 Have you posted this question on Kubuntu hardware forum?
[06:38] <crackhead_25> Antkin: no, i havent
[06:39] <crackhead_25> Antkin: and i'm not going to. i'm sure someone knows how to do it -- it's probably not that difficult a thing to do
[06:41] <xt828> is there a way to generate a list of files in a given directory?
[06:42] <Antkin> crackhead_25 Kubuntu Hardware support forum is very well manned and you get a quick reply to your post
[06:45] <nixternal> xt828: from the command line:   ls /directory/you/want/a/list/of/ > directory_list.txt
[06:46] <Antkin> crackhead_25 the forum is the first place to ask a question, here on IRC is the second place to ask
[06:50] <xt828> nixternal: is there a switch to stop it including subdirectory names?
[06:55] <Antkin> xt828 can you please give more details?
[06:56] <xt828> well, i'm trying to list the files in a directory, but when i do that i also get mixed in the names of the subdirectories in that directory
[06:57] <Antkin> xt828 have you posted this question in Kubuntu software forum?
[06:58] <xt828> no
[07:00] <Antkin> xt828 that is the first place to start, IRC is the second place
[07:01] <Lynoure> Antkin: I don't think there is any rule that says that :)
[07:03] <prince_jammys> xt828:  find /dir/path -maxdepth 1 -type f -print   (only files, no dirs)
[07:05] <xt828> that's exactly what i was after, thanks prince_jammys
[07:05] <prince_jammys> xt828: no problem
[07:06] <Antkin> Lynnoure rule maybe not these are simple steps for newbies
[07:07] <prince_jammys> well, it would definitely thin out the channels, that's for sure
[07:07] <Lynoure> Antkin: If they are so simple, easy enough to answer them here instead of making them run between places, I think.
[07:08] <Lynoure> But sure, if no one answers here, forums are a good other place to try, but they start with what they start, here or there, no sense telling them they should have started at the other location.
[07:09] <Antkin> Lynoure it is a matter of choice, IRC support is faster
[07:09] <Lynoure> Indeed.
[07:10] <prince_jammys> well ideally people would start searching for themselves and come here later, but we know that aint really how it works with many
[07:12] <Lynoure> prince_jammys: heh, I usually do that, so the questions I ask here are pretty tough and nearly never get an answer. :)
[07:12] <crackhead_25> hi guys, can anyone help me get my printer to work again, since i recently upgraded from feisty to gutsy??????
[07:13] <prince_jammys> that's the catch :)
[07:14] <Lynoure> crackhead_25: We'll see. Could you tell us what the printer is and what happens when you try to print?
[07:16] <ubuntu> how do I start KDE from a console, please?
[07:17] <ubuntu> anyone?
[07:17] <Lynoure> ubuntu: patience, typing it, now backtracked to tell you to be patient
[07:18] <prince_jammys> ubuntu my *guess* is sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[07:18] <JoshOvki> or just type    kdm    should do it
[07:18] <Lynoure> Yes, that's also what I was typing.
[07:18] <JoshOvki> * sudo kdm
[07:19] <Antkin> ubuntu KDE should start from a boot up why do you want to use a console?
[07:19] <ubuntu> arr ok.  I'm stuck.  I installed XP sp3 on another HD and it decided to change my linux drive, my /home mount
[07:19] <ubuntu> like bloody vista messes with usb drives.
[07:20] <ubuntu> so whe I get to login my home drive isn't mounting for some reason and I have to goto console to mount it
[07:20] <ubuntu> but I couldn't work out how to get back to the login screen
[07:20] <ubuntu> the graphical one
[07:20] <prince_jammys> did the above work?
[07:20] <ubuntu> haven't tried yet princeJ and using live boott o talk.  need to restart
[07:21] <Antkin> ubuntu please do not swear on this forum
[07:21] <ubuntu> as in bloody.. I didn't knwo that was swearing
[07:22] <conan> Hi
[07:22] <Antkin> ubuntu I think Vista is rubbish people are better off with Windows XP
[07:22] <ubuntu> so if there a key squence to get back to KDE login screen once you start console or Alt F1
[07:22] <prince_jammys> ubuntu normally one of the above should get you to the graphical login
[07:22] <JoshOvki> ubuntu: i dont guess you mean  blood  gushing out of a body
[07:22] <ubuntu> hehe vista and xp are swear words
[07:22] <ubuntu> heheeh
[07:22] <noodles12> ubuntu:lol that's it =P
[07:22] <ubuntu> brb soon.  thanks for help friends
[07:22] <Antkin> conan Welcome doyou have a question or problem today?
[07:23] <conan> is there anyone who is experienced before with SPE?
[07:23] <prince_jammys> ubuntu:  if you are able to get to console and for some reason the GUI login doesn't start, you should be able to get it with either "sudo kdm" or "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[07:23] <Antkin> ubuntu it is a mild form of swearing if used in the wrong context
[07:24] <surgy> i cant seam to get samba working right
[07:24] <noodles12> Antkin: so u mean bloody is similar to the way ppl use friggin, freaking, etc, stupid?
[07:24] <conan> (:
[07:24] <JoshOvki> surgy: you and the rest of the world.  Whats it doing / not doing?
[07:25] <surgy> my shared folder shows up on my windows vista laptop but when i try to open the folder it prompts for my username and password. i enter both, but it rejects me?
[07:25] <noodles12> surgy: did u ever add the users?
[07:25] <surgy> nope
[07:25] <surgy> well i rightclicked the file and set permissions to allow anyone
[07:25] <Antkin> ubuntu I would rarther insult Vista because I do not have it, I dual boot with Windows XP so I do not insult it I just give Microsoft a hard time when it crashes
[07:25] <noodles12> surgy: u gotta add the users in samba.
[07:25] <surgy> how?
[07:25] <noodles12> surgy: let me find hte link
[07:26] <surgy> i cant just add them to a list with a simple command?
[07:26] <surgy> i mean this should be a very simple process
[07:26] <crazyj> Anyone know y the adept manager would keep crashing?
[07:26] <noodles12> surgy: i think it is a simple command. i'ts like smbpasswd somethig. let me find it
[07:26] <surgy> crazyj: becuase adept vacumes
[07:27] <noodles12> surgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/configuring-samba.html
[07:27] <surgy> Could not connect to machine 127.0.0.1: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[07:27] <surgy> Failed to change password for surgy
[07:27] <JoshOvki> surgy: nicley put about adept
[07:28] <surgy> JoshOvki: thank you
[07:28] <noodles12> surgy: i'ts been awhile but check under user accounts and computer accounts
[07:28] <prince_jammys> crazyj: what's going on - are you getting a message about the database being locked?
[07:28] <surgy> crazyj: use apt-get instead
[07:28] <crazyj> I'm completly new to linux...
[07:28] <surgy> !apt-get
[07:28] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[07:28] <surgy> !apt-get | crazyj
[07:28] <ubotu> crazyj: please see above
[07:29] <JoshOvki> right time to head to work. catch ya all later and good luck with your problems
[07:29] <noodles12> crazyj: pretty much type " sudo apt-get install " and then whatever program u want. to search. do "apt-cache search" and then the program
[07:30] <prince_jammys> crazyj: if you want a GUI installer, try also "synaptic", which tends to cause less trouble than adept
[07:30] <crazyj> I was doing the new updates for kubuntu 60% through it crashed, I had to copy boot files from live disk to get comp to start back up now adept crashes everytime I open it other stuff is crashing left and right
[07:31] <prince_jammys> crazyj oh that's trouble
[07:31] <noodles12> crazyj: r u from canada?
[07:31] <crazyj> no America
[07:32] <prince_jammys> crazyj: was it the language package update?
[07:32] <crazyj> no
[07:32] <crazyj> libqt3 errors popped up at 60%
[07:32] <surgy> noodles12: any luck?
[07:33] <prince_jammys> crazyj: what else is crashing?
[07:33] <noodles12> surgy: u didn't get any of my msgs up there?
[07:33] <crazyj> one min, looking
[07:33] <Darkrift2> anyone know how to get a normal cascading app menu in kde4?
[07:33] <comp8> how to install hp deskjet 1300 printer because its not supported by kubutu
[07:33] <Darkrift2> i dont like this all in one little menu format
[07:34] <noodles12> Darkrift2: u mean try and get it abck to the way kde3's menu was?
[07:34] <comp8> you dont like what
[07:34] <crazyj> want the whole debug msg?
[07:35] <prince_jammys> crazyj: might as well paste it up for everyone .., someone might have a clue what to do
[07:35] <prince_jammys> !paste | crazyj
[07:35] <ubotu> crazyj: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:35] <crazyj> [KCrash handler]
[07:35] <crazyj> #6  0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
[07:35] <crazyj> #7  0xb6650875 in raise () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[07:35] <crazyj> #8  0xb6652201 in abort () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6
[07:35] <crazyj> #9  0xb685c6e0 in __gnu_cxx::__verbose_terminate_handler ()
[07:35] <noodles12> crazyj: !pastebin
[07:35] <prince_jammys> heh, i suspected
[07:35] <prince_jammys> should have mentioned earlier
[07:35] <Darkrift2> yes noodles12
[07:35] <surgy> noodles12: no man i dont see any more info
[07:36] <crazyj> lol
[07:36] <Darkrift2> like windows xp was
[07:36] <prince_jammys> crazyj: i meant in the pastebin
[07:36] <Darkrift2> and 95/98/2k
[07:36] <prince_jammys> !paste
[07:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:36] <crazyj> sry
[07:36] <Darkrift2> anything cascading
[07:36] <noodles12> Darkrift2: i dunno about kde4 but on pclinuxos u could right clikc on the kmenu and change from kicker back to regular kde (kde3's menu)
[07:36] <surgy> noodles12: other than you talking to crazyj and telling me you whould find the link
[07:36] <comp8> cant find drives for hp deskejet D1300 Printer
[07:36] <Darkrift2> i c
[07:36] <crazyj> ty and sorry all
[07:37] <noodles12> surgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/configuring-samba.html
[07:37] <noodles12> surgy: i'ts been awhile but check under user accounts and computer accounts
[07:38] <crazyj> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58221/
[07:38] <crazyj> there it is
[07:39] <prince_jammys> crazyj: and when do you get this error?
[07:42] <surgy> noodles it fails everytime i try to add my user
[07:43] <surgy> surgy@derek:~$ sudo smbpasswd -a -m lappy
[07:43] <surgy> Failed to modify password entry for user lappy$
[07:43] <surgy> !samba
[07:43] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[07:45] <prince_jammys> crazyj: can you run adept from a terminal? try opening Konsole and typing:  kdesudo adept
[07:45] <crazyj> When trying to start adept
[07:46] <crazyj> adept: command not found
[07:46] <surgy> diesnt work
[07:46] <surgy> this is queer
[07:47] <prince_jammys> crazyj: sorry::  kdesudo adept_manager
[07:48] <crazyj> same thing happens then this pops up
[07:48] <crazyj> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude).
[07:48] <crazyj> Would you like to attempt to resolve this problem? No will enter read-only mode and Cancel to quit and resolve this issue yourself.
[07:49] <prince_jammys> !aptfix | crazyj
[07:49] <ubotu> crazyj: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[07:49] <prince_jammys> crazyj: try the above command
[07:50] <prince_jammys> surgy: check this out:: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=583549
[07:51] <Antkin> conan Welcome Do you have a question or prolem today?
[07:51] <Lynoure> surgy: not sure, but your flags seem wrong.
[07:52] <surgy> flags?
[07:52] <prince_jammys> surgy: -d -a (for example)
[07:52] <Lynoure> surgy: try without -m
[07:52] <prince_jammys> surgy: the bottom of the link above may help
[07:52] <Lynoure> surgy: if it is the user's samba password you want to change, that is.
[07:54]  * ubuntu hello
[07:54] <prince_jammys> !hi
[07:54] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:54] <noodles12> I've compiled a new kernel,however i don't know how to make an initrd for it in grub
[07:55] <surgy> awsome
[07:55] <prince_jammys> surgy: did it work?
[07:56] <surgy> Lynoure:  prince_jammys noodles12 thanks a million everyone
[07:56] <surgy> prince_jammys:  yep worked like a charm
[07:56] <prince_jammys> surgy: thank google (i have no clue about samba) :)
[07:56] <surgy> it seams i was missing the part of adding myself as a user to linux
[07:56] <prince_jammys> surgy: i googled your error message :)
[07:57] <surgy> prince_jammys: lol thanks :)
[07:57] <surgy> death note time :)
[07:58] <noodles12> surgy: enjoy =)
[07:58] <Lynoure> surgy: :)
[07:59] <prince_jammys> crazyj: so how's the adept business looking?
[08:00] <crazyj> i'm in thnx a ton!
[08:00] <prince_jammys> !botsnack
[08:00] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:01] <Antkin> ubotu Welcome do you have a question or problem today?
[08:01] <prince_jammys> ubotu is a robot
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a robot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:01] <noodles12> !initrd
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about initrd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <prince_jammys> ubotu: anything
[08:02] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[08:02] <Antkin> Antkin yes found that out, what a waste of time
[08:22] <comp8> am trying to install my printer to my shared comps but it cant.. why?
[08:24] <Antkin> comp8 what printer is it?
[08:32] <Antkin> comp8 you have raised a question on IRC but you do not seem able to reply at the moment. Do you have a problem?
[08:46] <abortd> is there a better program out there than kaffiene?
[08:46] <membrive> vlc in my opinion
[08:46] <abortd> vlc runs in linux?
[08:46] <membrive> in all OS
[08:47] <membrive> you have it in ubuntu repositories
[08:47] <membrive> vlc - multimedia player and streamer
[08:48] <abortd> wmv work in it?
[08:48] <membrive> yes for me
[08:48] <abortd> nice
[08:48] <membrive> mb you need install some codecs (you have in repos too)
[08:48] <abortd> i prolly already did i think
[08:49] <membrive> ok, nice then :D
[08:49] <membrive> well, time to school
[08:49] <membrive> bye!
[08:49] <abortd> cya
[08:49] <abortd> thanks
[08:49] <membrive> np
[08:59] <comp3> please i need to install linux>kubuntu>printer drivers. what should i do?
[09:00] <jussi01> comp3: which printer?
[09:00] <abortd> what codecs do i need for wmv spport? when i play one its all pixelated
[09:00] <jussi01> !wmv | abortd
[09:00] <ubotu> abortd: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:01] <Antkin> comp3 Have you posted your question on Kubuntu hardware forums?
[09:01] <comp3> yes ut no answer yet
[09:02] <comp3> hp d1300 deskjet
[09:03] <Antkin> comp3 Lets see if I help you today?
[09:03] <comp3> yes pls am waiting
[09:04] <Antkin> comp3 I have a HP 3180 All in One running fine on my network of five computers
[09:04] <comp3> so how did u connect them
[09:06] <Antkin> comp3 installed them by turning the printer on and doing a reboot, Kubuntu found the printer and installed the software and drivers
 have tried that but nothing seems to be working. i have my server sharing xp n kubuntu thus it has connected to the printer but he other 8 comps without xp cant.. assist.
[09:09] <Antkin> comp3 I dual boot Windows XP and Kubuntu my printer was detected in both OS's without a problem
 have tried that n nothing has worked.
[09:11] <ubuntu> hi all.  what file holds the list of usernames that can or cann't login at kde front end
[09:11] <Antkin> ubuntu Welcome Do you have a question or problem today?
[09:12] <Lynoure> ubuntu: it's the same files that hold linux passwords in general: /etc/passwd for the user info, /etc/shadow for the passwords
[09:12] <Antkin> comp3 Is it a windows only problem? Or do you have a Kubuntu problem as well?
[09:12] <ubuntu> Antkin: do you know which files holds the flags to say if a user can log in at the start screen?
[09:13] <Antkin> ubuntu Have you posted your question on Ubuntu forums?
[09:13] <ubuntu> Lynoure: but I can't see any fields that denote root can't login  compared to my own account
[09:14] <Lynoure> ubuntu: by default the root does not have a password and cannot log in anywhere
[09:14] <Antkin> ubuntu Have you posted your question on Kubuntu forums?
[09:14] <Lynoure> !sudo
[09:14] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[09:14] <ubuntu> Antkin: I've got a real problems that hidners me using the web properly.  using ive cd to scrape though and repair my system.
[09:15] <comp3> my comps are shared but cant seem to print from any
[09:15] <Antkin> ubuntu Are your browsers working OK?
[09:16] <ubuntu> in live yes but I can't boot into my normal account
[09:17] <ubuntu> I have already made sure passw is ok and what not.  KDE is either stuffed or something else.  I thought it was caused by XP SP3 adjusting the drive.
[09:17] <comp3> help help i have a printer problem.. please somebody
[09:17] <Antkin> ubuntu can you shut down and boot the live CD into KDE ok?
[09:18] <ubuntu> Antkin: yep I'm in the live cd now and mounted my drives with wrtie mode.
[09:19] <ubuntu> Antkin: I was thinking of login in with root, so as to work from there, but the home directory for other accounts seems broken
[09:19] <Antkin> comp3 I am helping with your printer problem Please answer my last question so that I can complete computer diagagnostics flow chart for your problem
[09:20] <ubuntu> noting my /home is mounted on a separate partition.  noting I mount that partition and the files are still there but the login still wont work.  o mouse movement either
[09:20] <comp3> onlu kibuntu with the printer problem
[09:20] <andrew__> fuck
[09:21] <andrew__> how do i get wireless internet working?
[09:21] <andrew__> MAKE MY WIRELESS WORK
[09:21] <andrew__> fukker
[09:21] <andrew__> grrr
[09:21] <Antkin> andrew do not use swear words on this forum
[09:21] <andrew__> -.-
[09:21] <andrew__> how do i get my wireless to work?
 kubuntu wit problem only
[09:22] <andrew__> screw this shiz im going back to windows
[09:22] <Lynoure> andrew__: start with telling 1) what wireless it is and 2) how does it behave now?
[09:22] <Antkin> andrew I can help you today if you stop swearing
[09:22] <andrew__> umm
[09:22] <andrew__> its on a laptop
[09:22] <andrew__> and it does nothing
[09:22] <andrew__> i dont know how to get it to work
[09:23] <andrew__> i want to know how to search for networks
[09:23] <Lynoure> andrew__: most wirelesses are, but the exact model/chipset would be needed.  lspci  usually shows you what it is
[09:23] <Antkin> comp8 Welcome Do you have a question or problem today?
[09:23] <andrew__> iight
[09:23] <andrew__> i gtg
[09:23] <andrew__> cyas
[09:23] <comp8> yes with my printer
[09:24] <Antkin> andrew I dual boot with Windows and Kubuntu
[09:24] <Lynoure> Antkin: he left.
[09:24] <comp8> kubuntu> cant seem to connect my printer.
[09:24] <Antkin> comp8 is it a windows problem or a Kubuntu problem
[09:25] <comp8> kubuntu problem. how can i connect my pritner
[09:25] <ere4si> !cups | comp8
[09:25] <ubotu> comp8: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:25] <Antkin> Lynoure thanks did not like his swearing
[09:26] <Lynoure> Antkin: me neither.
[09:27] <Antkin> comp8 I shut down Kubutu then switched on my printer then rebooted in to Kubuntu, Kubuntu detected the printer and loaded the software and drivers
[09:28] <Antkin> Lynouree yesterday I only saw people swear once, but he swore twice
[09:31] <LukeL> !TVIN > LukeL
[09:32] <LukeL> Is there anyway I can request for a package to be updated, QDVD has been version 1.0 for months now and it's still beta in repos
[09:33] <Lynoure> LukeL: you can file a request for it on Launchpad.
[09:33] <LukeL> Thanks Lynoure
 i have tried to command form the sites u gave me but cant seem to go through.
[09:36] <Lynoure> comp8: ubotu is a bot, not a human being...
[09:37] <comp8> sorry i meant <ere4si> the commands for the printer are not working
[09:38] <comp8> have tried<sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart> but cant go thro'
[09:39] <ere4si> comp8, in those links is a hardware list - never print myself - is yours listed as supported? - what was it again pls
[09:40] <comp8> i not yet.
[09:42] <comp8> stil there <ere4si>
[09:43] <ere4si> .
[09:49] <WEBBSTA>  When i try to access my second hdd it says hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 what should i do to access my hdd
[09:52] <ere4si> comp8, still here - any luck yet - your printer model pls and me and google might be able to help :)
[09:52] <comp8> not yet nothing seems to work. pls help
hp D1360 deskjet
[09:53] <ere4si> comp8 sure - but what printer is it please :)
[09:53] <ere4si> k
[09:53] <_Angelus_> guys is there a way to find a file without a name?
[09:53] <_Angelus_> lol
[09:53] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: Depends on what you know of it
[09:53] <_Angelus_> i have recovered my lost data from a reiserfs partition
[09:53] <comp8> normally appears as D1300 Deskjet
[09:54] <_Angelus_> but the names of the files are just numbers
[09:54] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: size, date last edited, stuff like that can be used for searching. And strigi can find you things by content I think (don't use strigi myself)
[09:55] <_Angelus_> Lynoure: i just want my bookmarks
[09:55] <_Angelus_> i know the file name is stored as bookmarks.html on firefox
[09:55] <_Angelus_> but the thing is  , everything is scrambled
[09:55] <_Angelus_> probably the file name is just numbers
[09:56] <ere4si> comp8, this on the forums - http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432955 - says to use the 1300 driver for your 1360 printer
[09:56] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: but the directory names are still intact?
[09:57] <_Angelus_> nope Lynoure
 let me try to see what i can get.
[09:57] <_Angelus_> files and folders are stored in /home/lost+found
[09:58] <_Angelus_> but the the files and folders there are scrambled names
[09:58] <_Angelus_> but , if you go into one of the folders, the file names are good "some of em"
[09:58] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: grep -r somepartofsitenameyouknowisthere /home/yourusername/.mozilla
[09:58] <_Angelus_> Lynoure: this is a fresh format., so i dont have .mozilla
[09:59] <_Angelus_> recovered data is in /home/lost+found
[09:59] <ere4si> comp8, this post -http://ubuntu-utah.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=361236&page=18 - #179 says that printer works out of the box using the hp lib
[09:59] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: use that path then
[09:59] <_Angelus_> ok
[10:01] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: Let me know if it does not help and you want to find some other approach
[10:02] <_Angelus_> Lynoure: if my pc doesnt crash i will..
[10:02] <_Angelus_> cause its slowing down like a turtle O_o
[10:03] <_Angelus_> its swaping like a mutha fu***
[10:06] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: never seen one of those swap...
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[10:08] <ibou> hi
[10:08] <ibou> how to read music on a cd ?
[10:09] <Lynoure> ibou: If you put a cd in, Kubuntu should prompt you for what you want to do with it, including play and rip. Is this not happening?
[10:11] <ibou> Lynoure: no... my cd might be corrupted. I'll try another
[10:13] <olie> i just downloaded kubuntu grub splash in adept but cant see where its put it
[10:19] <olie> i just downloaded kubuntu grub splash in adept but cant see where its put it
[10:22] <LukeL> maybe in the /boot folder, not sure im just guessing
[10:22] <Lynoure> olie: stuff that you install with adept usually installs itself. But  dpkg -L packagename  can show you what files it brought
[10:22] <Lynoure> oh, he left.
[10:22] <LukeL> :(
[10:23] <ere4si> olie, try in .... patcience is a vertue
[10:24] <stefan_> Hello all :)
[10:25] <stefan_> I have the problem to get t
[10:25] <stefan_> my wlan running.Tha card:
[10:25] <stefan_> Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[10:25] <stefan_> I see it with lspci
[10:25] <stefan_> but the driver is not loaded
[10:27] <stefan_> I looked to restricted
[10:27] <stefan_> -manager-kde
[10:27] <stefan_> Its telling me the card is unused, but checkbox is on
[10:27] <stefan_> can someone help?
[10:28] <stefan_> okay I do a reboot and will ask later again
[10:30] <Oakbox> hi all, does anyone know how to change the qt4 colours
[10:31] <ere4si> stefan_, this is from arch but gives clues - http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=331641
[10:32] <_Angelus_> thanks Lynoure
[10:33] <francismacomber> ubotu anything
[10:33] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[10:33] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: You are welcome. Next step, regular backups? :)
[10:33] <_Angelus_> i dont need backups cause i have /home on a seperate partition
[10:34]  * Lynoure 's jaw drops
[10:34] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: that's so not true.
[10:34] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: unless you mean that you have /home on two separate partitions, one of them not in your computer
[10:34] <_Angelus_> but i tried to install MAc OS X on my pc, i moved my things on my moms windows xp, and when i got them back , i made a mv instead of cp,. then  i made a nother format, and everything was lost
[10:35] <_Angelus_> reiserfsck --rebuild-tree -S restored all my girl's files, but mine where put in lost+found with ugly names
[10:37] <_Angelus_> Lynoure: how can i find a file called old_flash something in /home/lost+found in the directories with scrambled names?
[10:38] <vincent_> hey lads
[10:38] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: if it is no longer called that, and that's all you know of it, I cannot help you. But if you know it's size, you can use  find   if some of the contents, grep works well
[10:39] <_Angelus_> Lynoure: but if its still called like that
[10:39] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: Or you can just restore from the other /home you said you have as a backup.
[10:39] <_Angelus_> how can i find it in /home/lost+found
[10:39] <Oakbox> hi all, does anyone know how to change the QT4 style colours?
[10:40] <LukeL> try google with "recovering files reiser lost+found"
[10:40] <Lynoure> _Angelus_:  find /home/lost+found -name 'old_flash*'
[10:40] <_Angelus_> ah ok thanks
[10:40] <stefan_> I want to load a module but it should be there:
[10:41] <stefan_> modprobe ipw3945
[10:41] <stefan_> FATAL: Module ipw3945 not found.
[10:41] <stefan_> 2008-03-03 11:40:03: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection
[10:41] <stefan_> can someone help?
[10:41] <vincent_> is this wireless on a laptop?
[10:41] <stefan_> yes, it is
[10:41] <_Angelus_> Lynoure: but will that look in subdirectories?
[10:41] <ere4si> stefan_, this - http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=331641 - says you don't do that - read further down
[10:41] <vincent_> i have the same problem^^
[10:42] <vincent_> thanhs ere4si
[10:42] <prince_jammys> _Angelus_: yes
[10:42] <ere4si> k
[10:43] <_Angelus_> heh
[10:43] <_Angelus_> ok
[10:44] <vincent_> where is rc.conf?
[10:44] <ere4si> stefan_, vincent_ oops - you may not have the latest kernel - sorry
[10:44] <vincent_> :o
[10:44] <vincent_> i have
[10:44] <vincent_> kubuntu gutsy though?
[10:46] <vincent_> anyone know where rc.conf is?
[10:46] <stefan_> no, I have the latest kernel
[10:46] <stefan_> modprobe iwl3945
[10:46] <stefan_> FATAL: Module iwl3945 not found.
[10:46] <stefan_> where I can get this module?
[10:47] <stefan_> I thoughtthis wlan card is now accesible with the latest kernel
[10:47] <stefan_> can someone hel?
[10:47] <stefan_> help?
[10:47] <Lynoure> stefan_: no module iwlwifi  either?
[10:47] <ere4si> stefan_, vincent_ try this - http://samuel.benoit.online.fr/en/kubuntu-linux-acer-aspire-9814-wkmi-9800-series - scroll down to h/ware and read about the wireless card
[10:48] <vincent_> cheers ere4si
[10:48] <ere4si> good luck :)
[10:50] <stefan_> okay, I will try it
[10:51] <apparle> hi
[10:51] <apparle>  :)
[10:53] <Antkin> aperle Hi
[10:54] <Antkin> apparle Are you happy today like your smilely
[10:55] <Antkin> Can anyone please help me?
[10:55] <jussi01> Antkin: ask!
[10:56] <apparle> Antkin: I am feeling marvellous. I will sure do my best to help you
[10:56] <apparle>  :)
[10:56] <Antkin> Thanks jussi01 I have Kubuntu on a Dell Optiplex computer which duall boots Windows and Linux
[10:57] <LukeL> Theres your problem, get rid of windows :D
[10:57] <apparle> what
[10:57] <apparle> LukeL: whom are you talking to
[10:58] <Antkin> I have been using Linux since 1999  spent 3 years with Mandriva and in October 2007 switched to Gutsy gibbon 7.10
[10:58] <apparle> Antkin: Congrats you have switched to Gutsy. And what is the roblem
[10:59] <apparle> Antkin: *problem*
[10:59] <Antkin> I have posted over 40 times on the kubuntu forums and generally helped out with a Dual booting guide
[10:59] <stefan_> hmm, the hint was is not
[10:59] <stefan_> I comment out all in interfaces and did a reboot
[11:00] <stefan_> the driver is not loaded
[11:00] <Antkin> I posted the dual booting guide to Ubuntu forums and Kubutu forums over two weeks ago
[11:00] <apparle> Antkin: are ther any other forums for kubuntu other than ubuntu ubuntuforums.org
[11:00] <Antkin> I was banned as a spammer on Ubuntu forums
[11:00] <prince_jammys> don't forget the accomplishment of getting yourself banned from ubuntu
[11:01] <prince_jammys> ah there it is
[11:01] <stefan_> how can get the ipw3945 running
[11:01] <stefan_> cn someipw3945onipw3945eipw3945help?
[11:01] <Antkin> prince_jimmy oh no not you again?
[11:01] <stefan_> sorry howcan I get the ipw3945 riunning
[11:01] <stefan_> its telling me module not found
[11:01] <prince_jammys> me again? i've been here the whole time
[11:02] <apparle> Antkin: you have told everything other than stating your problem
[11:02] <prince_jammys> don't worry, there's not as many ops here so it'll take longer for you to be banned
[11:02] <Antkin> I have just been banned on the Ubuntu support chanel
[11:02] <_Angelus_> maybe he doesnt have a problem, hes opening his hearth with us
[11:02] <_Angelus_> lol
[11:03] <apparle> prince_jammys: Don't get angry  :D :D :D :D :D But have you made any progress with MEncoder GUI
[11:03] <Antkin> Is it OK for a computer engineer with CompTIA A+ to give advice on this forum?
[11:03] <prince_jammys> apparle: not at all :)
[11:04] <prince_jammys> answer at your own peril
[11:04] <stefan_> the modul is not found: lsmod | grep ipw3945
[11:04] <stefan_> nothing!
[11:04] <Antkin> prince_jammys How do I get my ban on Ubuntu Support IRC lifted?
[11:05] <Lynoure> stefan_: that means it is not loaded.  sudo modprope ipw3945  did not work either?
[11:05] <apparle> prince_jammys: Is our reply for getting angry or for progress with GUI or both
[11:05] <prince_jammys> Antkin: read and reread and reread the reasons why you were banned
[11:05] <ere4si> stefan_, that link says to reboot
[11:05] <apparle> prince_jammys: Is your reply for getting angry or for progress with GUI or both
[11:05] <prince_jammys> apparle: i'm not angry
[11:05] <prince_jammys> apparle: i was honestly answering that i haven't worked on that gui
[11:05] <stefan_> yes, I did a boot
[11:06] <jussi01> Antkin: join #ubuntu-ops and discus the ban there
[11:06] <stefan_> the problem is that the module is not found:
[11:06] <stefan_> modprobe ipw3945
[11:06] <stefan_> FATAL: Module ipw3945 not found.
[11:06] <stefan_>  what is wrong?
[11:06] <Antkin> jussi01 Yes I have asked I am sorry if it look long winded
[11:06] <_Angelus_> guys, how is it posible that root user gets a permision denied to delete some files?
[11:07] <Lynoure> stefan_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/iwlwifi_Intel_3945_4965/gutsy  might help, but not able to concentrate on this now.
[11:07] <apparle> _Angelus_: I seem to get that problem some times
[11:07] <stefan_> okay , I will try that
[11:07] <Antkin> LukeL I only have Linux on three computers all are dual booters, two other Dell's are Ubuntu only boxes
[11:08] <Lynoure> _Angelus_: Read-only filesystem can cause that, at least
[11:09] <_Angelus_> i have some files in my trash that cant be deleted :@
[11:09] <Antkin> apparle I have stated my problem I am sorry if it is a bit long winded
[11:09] <_Angelus_> and they're getting me sick
[11:09] <Antkin> apperarle yes there is a Kubuntu forum
[11:10] <apparle> Antkin: You want to lift the ban??
[11:11] <Antkin> apperal Yes
[11:12] <ere4si> apparle, he was banned twice in three days
[11:12] <denis> hello
[11:12] <jussi01> Antkin: apparle this IRC channel is really not the place to discus this.
[11:12] <Antkin> ere4si so your here too
[11:12] <ere4si> :)
[11:12] <denis> I have a problem with my sources.list, how can I get the rights to delete a source?
[11:13] <Antkin> I have posted on Ubuntu general forums this morning
[11:13] <jussi01> denis: use kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:13] <denis> aah, I tried it without kate
[11:14] <jussi01> denis: :)
[11:14] <Antkin> ere4si do you expect to clobber me here as well?
[11:14] <ere4si> Antkin, pls leave me alone
[11:14] <jussi01> denis: you can also edit sources graphically by going to system -> adept - adept menu - manage repositories
[11:15] <jussi01> Antkin: This is your last warning. Take this discussion elsewhere please.
[11:15] <denis> yes, I know, thanks but that didn't work because adept seems not to like git-sources??
[11:16] <jussi01> denis: adept is a front end to apt, and apt doesntlike git sources. :(
[11:16] <denis> I wanted to install 3d support fpr Intel graphics drivers
[11:16] <Antkin> jussi01 Last warning? what is it with you guys?
[11:17] <denis> hmm, so how do I get 3d support for example for Google Earth?
[11:17] <jussi01> Antkin: This is a support channel for Kubuntu. All Im asking is that you keep to topic
[11:18] <jussi01> denis: IIRC 3d should work out of the box on intel, which gfx card do you have?
[11:18] <Antkin> jussi01 Ok am I pemitted to greet new visitors
[11:18] <apparle> Everyone who is interested in Antkin's discussion please goto kubuntu-offtopic. Don't flood this channel.
[11:18] <prince_jammys> Antkin: this channel and #ubuntu are about asking support questions, and answering support questions. since you weren't doing either of those, you were banned.  the channel is not about greeting everyone who comes in, or about referring people to the forums.
[11:18] <denis> should be a 945
[11:19] <jussi01> !guidelines > Antkin
[11:19] <denis> I tried earth 3d and it showed me nothing
[11:19] <apparle> Can ayone tell me what Antkin did to get himself banned
[11:20] <apparle> surely on the offtopic
[11:20] <jussi01> apparle: please go to #ubuntu-ops to discus it
[11:20] <Antkin> prince_jammys so I don't great people any more that is so easy to fix
[11:20] <prince_jammys> apparle: stick around and you'll find out :)
[11:20] <apparle> sorry
[11:20] <prince_jammys> Antkin: ok good
[11:21] <prince_jammys> Antkin: it's like this: someone asks a question.  you either can provide something useful or you can't. if you can't you just watch. if you can, then you answer
[11:21] <Antkin> prince_jammys what else do I have to do to stay inline?
[11:21] <prince_jammys> that's it really
[11:22] <jussi01> Antkin: Please read the guidelines I sent to you.
[11:22] <jussi01> Ok, can we please now move back to Kubuntu support. Thanks!
[11:22] <denis> very strange
[11:22] <prince_jammys> apparle: he was banned for randomly greeting people and asking if he could help them, then not helping them and telling everyone to go post their question in the forums
[11:23] <denis> google earth is running but earth3d isn't ...
[11:23] <Antkin> jussi01 Were are these guidelines? Email or on the IRC?
[11:23] <jussi01> Antkin: pm from ubotu
[11:24] <denis> thanks for your help
[11:24] <denis> bye
[11:24] <jussi01> denis: that is strange. to check if you have 3d on your card, install and run glxgears from terminal
[11:24] <denis> hmm
[11:24] <denis> glygears? where do I get them?
[11:24] <denis> x
[11:25] <jussi01> gah, he left
[11:25] <prince_jammys> glxgears is installed by default, right?
[11:26] <jussi01> prince_jammys: I dont think so, its in mesa-utils
[11:26] <prince_jammys> ah
[11:26] <Antkin> jussi01 Yes I agree to the code of conduct. No I don't want to flood the channel even if I knew how to do that
[11:28] <jussi01> Antkin: great. If you have further IRC questions on how to act here, you are welcome to come to #ubuntu-ops to discuss them.
[11:28] <apparle> p.u.c contains a category of gutsy-updates. whats that
[11:31] <Antkin> prince_jammys please set the record straight with apperle. You are missinformed
[11:31] <Antkin> These are my set questions that I have been using all morning
[11:31] <Antkin> Have you posted your question on Ubuntu forums?
[11:31] <Antkin> Have you posted your question on kubuntu forums?
[11:31] <Antkin> Please post there first then come back to IRC
[11:31] <Antkin> I do not mean to offed you, but please stop swearing on this channel
[11:31] <Antkin> Are you upset have I offened you in any way?
[11:31] <Antkin> Do you have any problems with any of those? They are realy easy to change in Kate
[11:31] <jussi01> Antkin: you just flooded the channel.
[11:32] <Tm_T> Antkin: also, he does NOT need to ask first in forums, son
[11:32] <Antkin> jussi01 Sorry so more that two lines is a flood?
[11:32] <prince_jammys> in what way do any of those questions amount to anything resembling "support"?
[11:33] <denis> hello, it's me again, I just had some massive graphic errors
[11:33] <prince_jammys> i have to go now, enjoy
[11:33] <denis> when I zoomed in Google earth
[11:33] <princess> Hello
[11:33] <jussi01> denis: did you check if you have 3d enabled?
[11:34] <princess> Someone here know use gobby?
[11:34] <denis> how do I do that? ;-)
[11:34] <Antkin> prince_jammys they are open questions which enable the visitor to explain the problem
[11:34] <jussi01> denis: install mesa-utils then run glxgears from the terminal
[11:34] <Antkin> princess Hello
[11:35] <apparle> please tell me http://packages.ubuntu.com/ what is gutsy-updates
[11:36] <denis> it ś working
[11:36] <Antkin> princess This is the support channel  Do you have a question or problem today?
[11:36] <denis> but why don't google earth and earth3d don't run?
[11:37] <denis> ..not run
[11:38] <Antkin> prince_jammys Do you understand that? You have not replied yet
[11:38] <Erzgalo> my kubuntu crashes every time I try to run google earth
[11:38] <denis> ah
[11:38] <denis> Erzgalo mine too
[11:38] <Erzgalo> any ideas?
[11:38] <apparle> Is there anyother forum for kubuntu other than ubuntuforums.org
[11:39] <denis> what graphics card do you have?
[11:39] <jussi01> Erzgalo: denis did you install from googles binaries?
[11:39] <denis> Erzgalo yes
[11:39] <denis> newest version 4.2xxx
[11:39] <Erzgalo> nvidia geforce 256 if i remember correctly
[11:40] <denis> I have Intel GMA 945
[11:40] <Erzgalo> yes i did. and i tried installing from medibuntu tuu
[11:40] <Antkin> apparle try http://www.kubuntuforums.net/index.php
[11:40] <denis> so seems not to depend on the graphics card
[11:41] <_Angelus_> is Antkin a bot?
[11:41] <Erzgalo> i tried to browse some discussion boards but didn't find anything specific
[11:41] <apparle> Antkin: "they are open questions which enable the visitor to explain the problem." I think people will explain their problem in whichever way they want to. Don't pester them
[11:41] <Antkin> No I'm human
[11:41] <_Angelus_> or cyborg?
[11:41] <_Angelus_> (CYBERNETIC ORGANISM)
[11:41] <apparle> Antkin: also > whenever they want to
[11:42] <denis> oh, I will have a look at google's support
[11:42] <Tm_T> Antkin: please, sit down and stop pushing
[11:42] <Antkin> Tm_T pushing what do you mean?
[11:43] <_Angelus_> now i know why he was banned.,,
[11:43] <ere4si> pls
[11:44] <Antkin> Angelus can I explain any more?
[11:45] <Lynoure> Antkin, _Angelus_, join #kubuntu-offtopic if you want to chat about that, please. It would be nice to get business back to the usual support here.
[11:45] <denis> anyone else with ed problems???
[11:45] <_Angelus_> chat bout what Lynoure? im not talking :o
[11:46] <Tm_T> !anyone | denis
[11:46] <ubotu> denis: In place of  "Does anyone/anybody...", please be aware, one persons expert is another persons beginner, please ask your question in full, then see what helps!
[11:46] <denis> 3D
[11:46] <denis> aha
[11:47] <denis> is google earth working on your PCś?
[11:48] <Tm_T> denis: it is
[11:48] <jussi01> denis: you may want to try installing the medibuntu version, Ive had success with that
[11:49] <denis> ok, I will try that
[11:49] <no0tic> denis, you could experience problems if you are running compiz
[11:49] <denis> I don't know that
[11:49] <denis> what is ist?
[11:52] <jussi01> !medbuntu | denis
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about medbuntu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:52] <jussi01> !medibuntu | denis
[11:52] <ubotu> denis: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[11:53] <denis> thanks
[11:55] <denis> do I have to uninstall my current google earth version before taking the medibuntu version?
[11:57] <denis> and if I have to, how?
[11:58] <apparle> I can't run kmix
[11:58] <jussi01> denis: I imagine the site you downloaded from has uninstall instructions
[11:59] <apparle> I can't run kmix http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58238/
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> lo each
[12:03] <apparle> ActionParsnip: what
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> just saying hi
[12:04] <jussi01> Hmmm, my alt-tab is switching desktops not programs. anyone know how to fix it?
[12:04] <apparle> Anyone here uses OSS drivers
[12:04] <apparle> ??
[12:05] <Jucato> jussi01: System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts?
[12:05] <ere4si> apparle, your pase says that kmix is looking for alsa
[12:05] <ere4si> *paste
[12:06] <apparle> that's the roblem
[12:06] <jussi01> Jucato: heh, going blind... guess I scrolled down too fast...
[12:06] <apparle> *problem
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> jussi01, googling now
[12:07] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: sorted already, thanks
[12:07] <apparle> I want to ask whether I can just remove the ALSA system
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> jussi01, ok cool, what was it?
[12:08] <ere4si> apparle, is there a reason you can't use alsa?
[12:08] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: see jucatos comment
[12:08] <apparle> ere4si: Yes,a big reason. It says I don't have a mixer
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> jussi01, cool :D
[12:10] <denis> jussi01 good idea ;-)
[12:11] <apparle> Anyone here who can help me sort out Kmix
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> apparle, can we have a pastebin of the error/s please
[12:12] <apparle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58238/
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> apparle, you tried sudo kmix ?
[12:13] <ere4si> apparle, found this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=575521
[12:13] <ere4si> apparle, it's for using oss and kmix
[12:14] <Sbucat> no0tic: puppa xD ci sei
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> apparle, this may help http://4front-tech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5596
[12:14] <no0tic> !it | Sbucat
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> apparle, Create folder and symlink to libasound.so.2.0.0
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> /usr/lib/mplayer/lib/libasound.so.2 -> /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0
[12:14] <ubotu> Sbucat: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:15] <s> пппп
[12:17] <denis> for google earth there are no uninstall instructions, you just have to delete it :-)
[12:20] <apparle> ere4si: the link you have provided seems to be the one which I want but, I am unable to understand it. Could you please explain
[12:21] <s> вси
[12:21] <s>  привет всем
[12:21] <denis> I just discovered that I have GMA 965, not 945??? and on the Intel site they say that 3d is supported by default unto 945, I don't get it anymore
[12:22] <apparle> ActionParsnip: I don't have any problem with Mplayer,it works fine.
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> apparle, but i think the symlinks the guys talk about may help
[12:22] <ere4si> apparle, it says you  install build-essential to compile - d/load the new oss from their site - then install -
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> denis, http://groups.google.com/group/earth-linux/browse_thread/thread/87e6cb2ef18ee50d
[12:23] <Oliver_Schn> Hallo i have a big problem just after installing 7.10 when started the update it don't finish than there is a problem with adept manager. can someone help me ? Thanks
[12:23] <ere4si> apparle, go to control center and select sound - oss
[12:23] <no0tic> !ru | s
[12:23] <ubotu> s: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[12:23] <denis> thanks
[12:23] <apparle> ere4si: done
[12:23] <apparle> next
[12:23] <ere4si> apparle, do the same in amorak
[12:24] <denis> thanks, but I just deleted everything as mentioned in an other post
[12:24] <denis> now I m going to take the medibuntun version, let's see if it works
[12:24] <ere4si> apparle, LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 kmix is a konsole command I think
[12:24] <apparle> ere4si: TEll me about kmix
[12:25] <ere4si> apparle, LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0 kmix is the command to load the lib for kmix to use oss
[12:26] <ere4si> apparle, in konsole type -   ossxmix
[12:26] <apparle> I will tell you tomorrow whether it solves my problem as I am outside right now
[12:27] <ere4si> k good luck :) apparle
[12:29] <Antkin> apparle We were both asked to go to off topic, I can not see you on that IRC
[12:31] <Antkin> Does anyone what help with Dual, Tripple or Quad booting today?
[12:32] <Lynoure> Antkin: they'll ask if they do.
[12:32] <Alp`> hello
[12:32] <Alp`> is kde 4 stable now?
[12:32] <Alp`> i heard alot about bugs and problems
[12:32] <jussi01> Alp`: probably better to ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[12:34] <Antkin> Alp Hello
[12:34] <Antkin> Alp This is the support channel  Do you have a question or problem today?
[12:36] <Alp`> jussi01: thanks
[12:37] <jussi01> :)
[12:37] <Alp`> Antkin: i wanted to try out a stable kde4 version
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> Alp`, its ok but i dont really use my system for anything fantastic
[12:38] <Alp`> ActionParsnip: ok
[12:38] <Alp`> i wanted to try out compiz and stuff like that
[12:38]  * jussi01 pokes Alp` over to #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[12:38] <apparle> Alp`: I don't think you will find a stable version so fast, you must allow some time to go for developers to solve all the bugs
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> Alp`, not tried it myself, I gave up on compiz cos Id rather just get on than have a pretty desktop
[12:38] <Antkin> Alp I use KDE 3.5 I don't think KDE 4.0 is stable yet on the forums there are posts from people that are having probles I would personally leave it for awhile
[12:39] <el-gokulo> Alp`, its some kind of "stable" but many features from kde 3.5.9. are not done
[12:40] <Alp`> thanks everybody :) i'll wait some weeks/months...
[12:40] <el-gokulo> you can simle try it out. since you can have both installed. 3.5.9 and 4.0.1
[12:40] <Blackthorn_> Hello all
[12:40] <Alp`> didnt knew that
[12:40] <Alp`> i use gnome normally
[12:40] <Jucato> KDE 4.1 is due April (iirc) so you can wait for that
[12:41] <Antkin> Blackthorn Hello
[12:41] <el-gokulo> kde 4.0.1. is more a tchenology preview :)
[12:41] <Blackthorn_> Do you know anythink about the compatibility between KDE4 and new ATI videocards?
[12:42] <Antkin> Blackthorn This is the support channel  Do you have a question or problem today?
[12:42] <jussi01> Blackthorn_: Please use #kubuntu-kde4 for KDE4 support :)
[12:42] <el-gokulo> sry. nopes. using a old nividia. its too slow for compiz
[12:42] <jussi01> Antkin: there is no need for that. please dont.
[12:43] <Blackthorn_> No. Now I use Ubuntu with my notebook and there is nothnig problems exist. The problems are with my Desktop PC
[12:43] <Tm_T> Antkin: stop
[12:43] <Tm_T> hydrogen <3
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> Blackthorn_, install it and give it a go, if you dont like it, uninstall t
[12:44] <Blackthorn_> Right ;)
[12:46] <frank23> el-gokulo: how old nvidia card? I thought compiz didn't need that much
[12:49] <Blackthorn_> Can I ask about problem with layotut switchig in KUBUNTU Gutsy ?
[12:49] <jussi01> Blackthorn_: ask away :)
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> Blackthorn_, ask away
[12:49] <Blackthorn_> I successfuly add my country layout
[12:49] <Blackthorn_> But switching of layout dosn't work for me
[12:49] <hydrogen> moin tm_t
[12:50] <Blackthorn_> I Choose Alt+Shit for switching
[12:50] <Blackthorn_> How I can solve this?
[12:50] <Jucato> Blackthorn_: that's now how to switch keyboard layouts (you can't use Alt+Shift)
[12:51] <Jucato> I think the default keyboard shortcut is Ctrl+Alt+K (consult System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts)
[12:51] <Jucato> be careful though, once you press Ctrl+Alt+K and switch to a different layout
[12:51] <Jucato> "K" might not be "K" anymore...
[12:52] <Blackthorn_> There is submenu called "Xkb pitons" and I try to configure there
[12:52] <Blackthorn_> options exuse me
[12:52] <Blackthorn_> Group Shift/Lock behavior
[12:53] <el-gokulo> frank23, geforce ti4200 64mb
[12:53] <Jucato> Blackthorn_: no not that.
[12:54] <Jucato> Blackthorn_: <Jucato> I think the default keyboard shortcut is Ctrl+Alt+K (consult System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts)
[12:54] <apparle> have a look at kubuntu-offtopic, a really nice chat is going on
[12:55] <Blackthorn_> Ctrl+Alt+K shift to my Bulgarian layout but when use this combination again don't go back to US layolt
[12:55] <Jucato> [20:49] <Jucato> be careful though, once you press Ctrl+Alt+K and switch to a different layout "K" might not be "K" anymore...
[12:55] <Jucato> Blackthorn_: ^^^
[12:55] <Blackthorn_> AA - yes :)
[12:56] <Blackthorn_> I will try to adjust 3-th simbol like a special simbol...
[12:56] <apparle> Blackthorn_: After you are in your bulgarian layout press "Ctrl+Alt+K" in bulgarian
[13:02] <Blackthorn_> apparle - I fixed my problem with layouts :) Thank you very much and have a nice day!
[13:02] <Blackthorn_> Bye all
[13:06] <rumi> hi all, I installed compiz and suddenly all windows are set to "always on top" even though there isn't really a mark next to that option in every window, is there a way to change window behaviour back to normal?
[13:07] <Jucato> #compiz-fusion please
[13:07] <rumi> thanks
[13:23] <famaduzz> hola
[13:24] <sl4mm3r> hey .. i'm wondering if its possible to hard code macros like REISUB
[13:25] <sl4mm3r> i'd like to control amarok while in a fullscreen application
[13:25] <Jucato> don't the default Win+<Key> global keyboard shortcuts work?
[13:25] <Jucato> (and what macros?)
[13:25] <sl4mm3r> for the most part they do
[13:26] <sl4mm3r> but not while i'm in nex
[13:26] <sl4mm3r> but reisub works.. so i'm wondering if there is a different level i can set them at ..
[13:26] <sl4mm3r> mainly nex/previous track
[13:26] <sl4mm3r> stop/start maybe
[13:26]  * Jucato doesn't know what "nex" is and what "reisub" is
[13:26] <Pici> rseiub is kernel level.
[13:27] <sl4mm3r> would it be possible to make an amarok control module? haha
[13:27] <Pici> Jucato: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSEIUB
[13:27] <khjkhj> hi
[13:28] <sl4mm3r> i guess it would be..  the difficulty level might be another thing ..
[13:28] <khjkhj> i am a new user for linux
[13:30] <Jucato> sl4mm3r: you can try changing the global keyboard shortcuts. although I'm not sure why Play and Stop works but not Next/Previous. maybe the app you are using is eating up Win+Z and Win+B
[13:30] <sl4mm3r> Jucato: sorry, no commands work except the kernel level ones.. os hotkeys won't work while this program is in focus
[13:31] <Antkin> khjkhj This is the support channel  Do you have a question or problem today?
[13:31] <Jucato> Antkin: he's gone
[13:31] <Antkin> Thanks for that
[13:33] <Jucato> sl4mm3r: but you can set your own keyboard shortcuts  or call commands from that app? because if you can, you can use dcop to control amarok
[13:33] <olie> i installed kubuntu grub splash with adept but cant see where its put it
[13:35] <sl4mm3r> Jucato:  hrmm i might actually be able to
[13:35] <sl4mm3r> Jucato: that is a great idea
[13:35] <sl4mm3r> Jucato:  i've only seen dcop used this month once... but i know i can pass commands as if from a terminal
[13:36] <Jucato> launch kdcop, then you can browse graphically for the commands you will need. usually it goes "dcop appname object function"
[13:36] <sl4mm3r> Jucato: omg thats beautiful
[13:36] <sl4mm3r> hahahaha
[13:37] <Jucato> "dcop amarok player playPause" for the Play/Pause command
[13:37] <sl4mm3r> yah i'm looking through dcop browser right now.... thanks alot !
[13:37] <sl4mm3r> i'm gonna see if this will work .. cheers
[13:42] <articpenguin3800> is kde4 gonna be defualt in Ibex?
[13:43] <Jucato> that still depends on what will be discussed in the Ubuntu Developer Summit in May and on the status of KDE 4 around that time
[13:43] <sl4mm3r> !ibex
[13:43] <ubotu> Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex
[13:43] <sl4mm3r> hm
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:53] <Jucato> yo BluesKaj
[13:53] <BluesKaj> hi Jucato ..how ya been LTNS
[13:53] <Jucato> heh yeah. I'm doing ok. back to safeguarding channels :P
[13:54]  * Jucato was busy w/ personal stuff the past week
[13:54] <Jucato> weeks*
[13:54] <BluesKaj> we must have vigilance :)
[13:55] <BluesKaj> had no inyernet this morning ...freezing rain all across ontario..coated all the sat dishes etc , lines down
[13:55] <BluesKaj> internet rather
[13:55] <Jucato> ouch... everything ok there?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> now it is , yeah
[13:56] <Jucato> ah good...
[13:56] <LoLLo> http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gs8sYe4uqM
[13:56] <Jucato> LoLLo: please stop spamming that link in channels
[13:57] <BluesKaj> trying to become famous ?
[13:57] <Jucato> or get kicked :)
[13:58] <Jucato> wb Antkin
[13:58] <BluesKaj> that eye candy/effects is flashy , but has no redeeming value for computing :P
[13:59] <Jucato> different strokes for different folks :)
[13:59] <BluesKaj> wobbly pages ...so what :)
[14:00] <Antkin> Jucato thanks for the greating
[14:01] <Antkin> Hello
[14:01] <BluesKaj> !hi Antkin
[14:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hi antkin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:01] <BluesKaj> hehe
[14:02] <Antkin> BluesKaj thanks for the greating
[14:02] <BluesKaj> greetings to you as well , Antkin
[14:03] <Antkin> Can anyone help me with a Kubuntu install?
[14:04] <DFlame> I'm a novice but I might be able to help. What's shaking?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> what's the prob, Antkin
[14:05] <Jucato> !hi | BluesKaj (you forgot the pipe)
[14:05] <ubotu> BluesKaj (you forgot the pipe): Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[14:05] <Antkin> I've installed Kubuntu on a dual boot without any problems, but if I try to install it on my other Dell's the CD does not complete the install
[14:06] <Antkin> I've had to install Ubuntu 7.10 as a workaround
[14:09] <pag> Antkin, you can install minimal cli system and apt-get kubuntu-dekstop
[14:11] <Antkin> On four Ubuntu computers I have installed KDE instead of Knome. What is cli/
[14:11] <pag> Antkin, command line interface... but if you already have ubuntu installed, the just install kubuntu-dekstop and afterward remove all gnome packages
[14:11] <appelza> Its Gnome not Knome, and cli speaks to using the terminal/console
[14:12] <BluesKaj> is there a way to just remove gnome desktop ?
[14:12] <Antkin> Yes there that many K's in KDE I put a K infront of anything now. LOL
[14:13] <pag> BluesKaj, an easy one? no, there's not. !purekde  for the 'hard' solution ;)
[14:13] <BluesKaj> yeah ,
[14:13] <appelza> she wanted the hard solution
[14:13] <appelza> oh.
[14:13] <appelza> wait.
[14:13] <BluesKaj> i did that waaay back with dapper
[14:14] <Antkin> If I remove Gnome would it stuff over programs?
[14:15] <pag> Antkin, sorry. English isn't my native.. 'stuff over'?
[14:15] <Antkin> >	If I remove Gnome would it stuff other programs?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> when ppl discover ubuntu , they think kubuntu and ubuntu are just different levels of the same OS , not different desktops and totally diff in appearance
[14:16] <BluesKaj> overwrite Antkin ?
[14:16] <pag> BluesKaj, that's exactly the reason I'd prefer the 'Ubuntu KDE spin' (or something similiar) name scheme
[14:17] <Antkin> If I remove Gnome would it overwright other programs?
[14:18] <Jucato> you're removing. why would it overwrite anything?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> ppl still think in windows mode , home , media edition, pro etc ...
[14:19] <pag> Antkin, if you manage to remove just gnome, then only Gnome's own programs will be removed, but if you use command provided with !purekde factoid, it will remove pretty much everything that isn't part of kubuntu-dekstop
[14:20] <Antkin> I once tried to remove Gnome and messed up my system badly. I had to reinstall Linux just to recover from the mess
[14:21] <Jucato> you might have removed something not-GNOME and very important
[14:22] <Antkin> More thank likely
[14:22] <Antkin> More than likely
[14:24] <Antkin> ok can I leave that and go to my next question?
[14:24] <Alkis> hello all, I can't link kdevelop's "kate plugin" in kubuntu...has anyone tried it?
[14:25] <Antkin> How do you lifta ban on IRC?
[14:26] <jpatrick> Antkin: /unban ban
[14:27] <Jucato> depends on the IRC client I think
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Antkin, are you asking on someone else's behalf ?
[14:27] <jussi01> Antkin: you go to #ubuntu-ops and ask the operator who banned you for it to be lifted (for ubuntu channels)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> depends of the room and the server for sure
[14:28] <BluesKaj> depends on
[14:28] <Antkin> No  I got banned from Ubuntu support this morning
[14:28] <Antkin> I don't know the operator
[14:28] <jussi01> Antkin: so follow my instructions
[14:29] <jussi01> Antkin: go to #ubuntu-ops and ask again.
[14:29] <jpatrick> Antkin: #ubuntu-ops is for you :)
[14:29] <jpatrick> Jucato: use irssi
[14:29] <Jucato> jpatrick: no thanks :)
[14:30] <Antkin> I've been to ubuntu-ops but do not know the operater so no one was able to help
[14:30] <articpenguin3800> is celeron 420 better than p4?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> they have a lott guys over there with "attitude" ..just there to show off their linux chops and deliberately taunt noobs...dunno why they don't get banned . I recall getting told "read the f...ing man pages" , folloowed by insults
[14:31] <Jucato> BluesKaj: then you call the attention of ops :)
[14:31] <Alkis> BluesKaj: what are you talking about? This is standard help in linux :-)
[14:31] <Jucato> ops don't monitor channels 24/7 :)
[14:31] <jpatrick> Antkin: of course we'll know, it's recorded in the bantracker
[14:31] <jpatrick> BluesKaj: aww, and I'm one of them ;)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> naw , that was 2 yrs ago after I installed dapper, Jucato .
[14:32] <Jucato> lol
[14:32] <jpatrick> BluesKaj: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/
[14:32] <jpatrick> j/k
[14:33] <Alkis> is kdevelop's 'kate plugin' template broken? Anyone? :-)
[14:33] <BluesKaj> was almost a total new to linux except for a couple of trys with suse and fedora
[14:34] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj» if that didn't tun you off, you were pretty determined :)
[14:35] <Alkis> lol
[14:36] <BluesKaj> well nosrednaekim , I'm old and used to young jerks , so it was just par for the course as far as I was concerned ...din't like gnome much anyway , kde saved my linux life so to speak :)
[14:37] <Alkis> BluesKaj: old like? 20? :-)
[14:37] <Jucato> right... *and* we're slowly digressing :)
[14:37] <BluesKaj> altho a lot od ppl like gnoem and it's ease of use
[14:37] <BluesKaj> err gnome
[14:37] <nosrednaekim> oh.. that was #ubuntu?
[14:37] <azzco> od? =p
[14:37] <Jucato> Alkis: you'll probably have to wait for someone who has kdevelop installed in gutsy (or try asking for someone in #kdevelop using Kubuntu)
[14:37] <BluesKaj> od=of
[14:37] <Alkis> Jucato: I am trying there too
[14:38] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: of course it was #ubuntu. we're friendlier here
[14:38] <Dioniso> my installation aborted at 82 % with search mirror this is a bug ?
[14:38] <Jucato> but now we're going offtopic :)
[14:38] <Jucato> Dioniso: is the computer connected to the internet?
[14:38]  * emilsedgh is happy to see Jucato here again
[14:38] <BluesKaj> yes nosrednaekim #ubuntu, didn't mean to mislead
[14:39] <Jucato> hi emilsedgh!
[14:39] <Dioniso> Jucato: no
[14:39] <emilsedgh> Jucato: you werent hanging in #kubuntu for a while, how are you?
[14:39] <nosrednaekim> Dioniso» unplug your network cable.
[14:39] <nosrednaekim> and try again
[14:39] <Dioniso> ok
[14:39] <Dioniso> thx guys
[14:39] <Jucato> Dioniso: how long has it been stuck at 82%? it's probably searching for mirrors, but can't find one since it's not connected
[14:40] <Jucato> emilsedgh: yeah. I sort of took a break from any user support channel for a while
[14:40] <emilsedgh> Jucato: how is life/new school/c++ stuff going?
[14:41] <Jucato> still waiting for confirmation. otherwise everything's ok
[14:41] <Jucato> wb jpatrick
[14:41] <jpatrick> Jucato: thanks
[14:41] <Jucato> confirmation won't arrive until april or may. so in the meantime, learning Qt :P
[14:41]  * emilsedgh was going to ask Jucato that he is learning Qt or no ;)
[14:41] <jpatrick> Jucato: confirmation for?
[14:42] <Jucato> jpatrick: if I got accepted in college :)
[14:42] <NickPresta-lapto> Jucato: just make sure you keep writing blog posts while you're in school :)
[14:42] <Jucato> NickPresta-lapto: sure. but you're missing a 'p' :P
[14:42] <Jucato> emilsedgh: I already read half my Qt book, but decided to backtrack and make notes. so today I started chapter 1 again heheh
[14:42] <jpatrick> NickPresta-lapto: there you are
[14:43] <NickPresta-lapto> Jucato: yes, I know. This silly web interface lacks certain features, like long(er) nicks and changing nicks without disconnecting/reconnecting. heh
[14:43] <Jucato> anyway, I'm going offtopic myself
[14:43] <jpatrick> !ot > Jucato
[14:43] <Jucato> jpatrick: too late, I'm already there :P
[14:43] <Jucato> but you just wanted to do that didn't you? :P
[14:43] <emilsedgh> Jucato: good, so i hope to see your new plans on kde soon, probably you'll be a plasma/amarok/... developer soon ;) (if you ask me, go on kopete's irc support!)
[14:44] <Jucato> Plasma definitely. Amarok not so much :P
[14:45] <emilsedgh> amarok has enough devs ;)
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[14:47] <Jucato> heh
[14:47] <jpatrick> emilsedgh: I too want to be a kde dev..
[14:48]  * emilsedgh too
[14:48] <emilsedgh> but i already have too many php stuff to do, i tried cpp and qt once, but lack of time...
[14:49] <sivaji>  i am trying to compile linux kernel i got this error http://pastebin.com/f553c09a6
[14:50] <BluesKaj> My ISP sucks this morning ...had a sec lag for the last 30mins ...must be the freezing rain.
[14:52] <Alkis> sivaji: try sudo apt-get install libcdk5-dev
[14:53] <NickPresta-lapto> gah. Sorry guys. This stupid interface...
[14:57]  * genii sips a coffee and makes sure he's not still a ghost
[14:58]  * ccvp - hello fellow internet addicts - are we all looking forward to another long & glorious week of irc/internet addiction? :)
[14:59] <Jucato> genii: can you pass me a cup?
[15:00] <ccvp> is there a way to have /whois info be shown in current window / tab its typed in, instead of server status tab? i nxchat
[15:02] <Jucato> that was quick :)
[15:02] <LjL> Jucato: known troll, spammed the same thing in other channels.
[15:02] <Jucato> oh :)
[15:03] <BluesKaj> heh, i was going to answer his question
[15:03] <BluesKaj> <-- was an old xchat user
[15:03]  * Jucato doesn't use xchat so can't answer :)
[15:04] <BluesKaj> no more tho
[15:04]  * nosrednaekim though nxchat was an actual client... should be more suspicious of internet mis-spellings :)
[15:04] <BluesKaj> I see the so called free version is no longer free
[15:05] <BluesKaj> xchat2
[15:05] <BluesKaj> on windows
[15:16] <ijai> hi
[15:16] <ijai> im new to kubuntu just got my cd today
[15:16] <jpatrick> !hi | ijai
[15:16] <ubotu> ijai: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[15:16] <ijai> tryin using the cd live cd
[15:17] <ijai> thanks guys!
[15:17] <ijai> i never know that its thats easy 2 use kubuntu
[15:18] <ijai> just plug in my broadband and voila it detected straight up
[15:19] <Jucato> one of the lucky ones :)
[15:20] <ijai> i ve been doing some reading in the net about kubuntu ...
[15:20] <ijai> up 2 this point ... i like it very much
[15:20] <asennus> hallo?
[15:21] <ijai> hi
[15:21] <asennus> i found this program yesterday :D
[15:21] <Stilo> !de
[15:21] <ijai> like it so far??
[15:21] <Stilo> \jad
[15:21] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[15:23] <ijai> any1 from malaysia?
[15:25] <jhutchins_wk> asennus: Which program would that be?
[15:39] <LoLLo> http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gs8sYe4uqM
[15:39] <Stilo> One Question: whats the name of the alt+f2-"tool"..
[15:40] <Stilo> i want to kill it^^
[15:40] <BluesKaj> Run Command
[15:40] <BluesKaj> it's in the kmenu
[15:41] <BluesKaj> why kill it , it's just used to open files or launch apps
[15:41] <Stilo> yes but it does not react
[15:41] <Stilo> i want to restart it.. i need the name..
[15:41] <jhutchins_wk> It's part of the desktop/kicker/menu system, not a seperate app.
[15:42] <Stilo> hm what can i do.. kill kicker?
[15:42] <jhutchins_wk> dcop kicker kicker restart
[15:42] <BluesKaj> doesn't react in what manner...you must have used it to open a file or an app ...close the file or the app
[15:42] <jhutchins_wk> I think.
[15:42] <Jucato> pressing Esc doesn't close it?
[15:43] <Stilo> no.. i opend it to start knetworkmanager.. the window appears.. but i can not type in the command.. And i cant close the window
[15:43] <BluesKaj> crashed
[15:45] <Stilo> i have killed kicker.. but the window is still there
[15:46] <Jucato> press Ctrl+Alt+Esc and your mouse will turn to a skull. click on the window. but be very careful what you click on
[15:46] <Jucato> press Esc to return the mouse to normal w/o clicking on anything
[15:48] <Stilo> Jucato: when i press ctrl+alt+esc nothing happens
[15:49] <omid> join ubuntu-ir
[15:49] <omid> #join ubuntu-ir
[15:49] <Jucato> Stilo: you can move windows around normally?
[15:49] <omid> any one can help me how I can switch to another room ?
[15:49] <Stilo> yes
[15:49] <Jucato> omid: type /join #ubuntu-ir
[15:49] <Jucato> Stilo: hm... are you using Compiz?
[15:50] <omid> thanks
[15:50] <Stilo> yes
[15:50] <Jucato> aha.. that might be the cause
[15:50] <Stilo> restart compiz?
[15:51] <Jucato> most probably
[15:51] <Stilo> how can i do that savely? "compiz restart"
[15:52] <Stilo> ^^ maybe a reboot would have been the best solution
[15:52] <Jucato> er no
[15:52] <Jucato> but ask in #compiz-fusion how to do that
[15:52] <Stilo> hm i restarted compiz.. but the window is still there..
[15:54] <Stilo> i will restart the session.. thanks for the help
[15:55] <Naga> a
[15:55] <Naga> how to connect internet in ubuntu?
[15:55] <Naga> any idea?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> Naga, what do you mean ...you are connected
[15:59] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:59] <Antkin> Hello
[15:59] <Naga> ss
[16:00] <Naga> how to connect internet dial up in ubuntu?
[16:00] <Naga> how to connect internet dial up in ubuntu?
[16:00] <Naga> how to connect internet dial up in ubuntu?
[16:00] <Naga> how to connect internet dial up in ubuntu?
[16:00] <Naga> how to connect internet dial up in ubuntu?
[16:00] <Naga> how to connect internet dial up in ubuntu?
[16:00] <Naga> how to connect internet dial up in ubuntu?
[16:00]  * Jucato sighs...
[16:01] <Daisuke_Ido> wow
[16:01] <Daisuke_Ido> that's just...  wow.
[16:02] <BluesKaj> yeah, he should heed his own advice :)
[16:03] <BluesKaj> prolly had such a lag that he din't see his text come up in the chat
[16:03] <selckin> thats client side
[16:03] <BluesKaj> bombay isn't known for it;s reliable phone service let alone internet
[16:04]  * genii makes a note not to invest in Bombay Telecom
[16:04] <Daisuke_Ido> nah, he was here once and impatient, no reason to think it wasn't impatience making him flood :)
[16:04] <BluesKaj> frustration
[16:05] <BluesKaj> well, gotta go move some slush ...bbiab
[16:06] <tzanger> good morning... can some kind soul please point me in the direction of the standard 'info' pages for development?  I have the man pages but some of them say to refer to the info pages
[16:09] <Vermux> !hhs
[16:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hhs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:10] <Vermux> !ssh
[16:10] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[16:17] <Vermux> which gui interface comes with kubuntu that allow connections to remote computers?
[16:18] <Daviey> Vermux: Krfb
[16:18] <mathieu_> bless you
[16:19] <Vermux> which one is better, putty or krfb?
[16:19] <Daviey> Vermux: putty is a ssh client
[16:20] <Vermux> its not like krfb?
[16:21] <Daviey> Vermux: You want to share your kubuntu desktop?  So other machines can see it?
[16:22] <Vermux> no, I want to connect to a remote computer
[16:22] <Daviey> and the remote computer is allow what connections?
[16:24] <Vermux> yes, I guess
[16:24] <Vermux> yes
[16:25] <Vermux> Daviey: ^
[16:25] <Daviey> Vermux: erm, you didn't answer my question.
[16:26] <Daviey> You want to access a remote computer, right?
[16:26] <Vermux> Daviey: I installed openssh -server. what is the next step? installing putty?
[16:26] <Vermux> Daviey: remote computer allows connection
[16:26] <Daviey> Vermux: you are sat at a kubuntu pc, trying to access another linux machine for console access?
[16:27] <Vermux> Daviey: yes
[16:27] <Daviey> Vermux: easy then, now openssh-server is installed on the remote pc.. just open a terminal (Konsole) and type "ssh user@remotemachineip"
[16:27] <Daviey> ^ on the local one
[16:28] <Daviey> where user = the username you want to connect to
[16:28] <Vermux> Daviey: ok
[16:36] <aaroncampbell> If someone screws up their video card settings so they just see lines, what do they need to do (from the command line) to get it working again?
[16:38] <comp8__> ubuntu timer pls help
[16:39] <Lynoure> comp8__: hmm, could you rephrase that?
[16:39] <genii> aaroncampbell: The safest thing is to replace the driver name in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to vesa from fglrx or nvidia or so on. The more dangerous thing is to run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[16:40] <comp8__> i want to install a timer which can be operational in all computers
[16:40] <Manyfold> can someone help me with kde4?
[16:41] <Lynoure> Manyfold: Lots of people on #kubuntu-kde4
[16:41] <Manyfold> thanks
[16:44] <mrunagi> when a software package says 'mac osx' and 'universal'.....does the universal mean it will run on linux?
[16:44] <LjL> mrunagi: it probably just means it runs on both PPC and x86.
[16:44] <LjL> !nickspam > unagi    (unagi, see the private message from Ubotu)
[16:49] <trappist> unagi: for example if the software is written in, say, java or perl, it can run on any architecture or OS
[16:49] <unagi> i see
[16:50] <unagi> i was looking for a customer if coda finale runs in linux and i could find it but i thought universal might mean that it could
[16:51] <trappist> I don't think coda finale is available for linux
[16:51] <unagi> poo
[16:51] <unagi> thank you =)
[16:53] <trappist> unagi: ah, in that context universal means it's compiled for mac as a "universal binary" so it can run on both ppc and intel based macboxen... as I guess LjL was saying
[16:54] <Vermux> Daviey: thanks. how do I connect to a win machine remotly? using rdesktop?
[16:55] <trappist> Vermux: depends on what you mean by 'connect', but if you want a remote desktop, and the windows box has rdp, then yes, rdesktop
[16:55] <jhutchins_wk> rdesktop <hostname>, rdesktop <address>.  You may want to use the -0 option to connect to the current session.
[16:56] <jhutchins_wk> Vermux: You do have to enable remote desktop on the windows box.
[16:56] <Vermux> trappist: connect=control
[16:56] <Vermux> is rdesktop and rdp and remote desktop the same?
[16:57] <Vermux> jhutchins: I enabled remote desktop on the win box, and I have the name of the computer
[16:57] <jhutchins_wk> Vermux: So try it.
[16:58] <Vermux> jhutchins: however, I did not change anything on the router
[16:58] <trappist> Vermux: name of the computer might not help if you can't resolve it via dns... might have to use ip, or add it to /etc/hosts
[16:58] <Vermux> trappist: I dont know right now the ip, I have to check it
[16:58] <Vermux> !rdesktop
[16:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rdesktop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:00] <Vermux> can I use krdc to connect to my windows box?
[17:01] <Tm_T> hi IRSeekBot
[17:04] <Vermux> trappist: can I connect using krdc to a windows machine?
[17:06] <Vermux> does kubuntu come with rdesktop installed?
[17:08] <tzanger> good morning... can some kind soul please point me in the direction of the standard 'info' pages for development?  I have the man pages but some of them say to refer to the info pages
[17:09] <jhutchins_wk> tzanger: They should be installed, just "info package".
[17:09] <tzanger> jhutchins_wk: yep, doesn't exist
[17:09] <jhutchins_wk> tzanger: ?
[17:09] <tzanger> man printf says to look at the info page for printf
[17:09] <jhutchins_wk> !info info
[17:09] <ubotu> info (source: texinfo): Standalone GNU Info documentation browser. In component main, is standard. Version 4.8.dfsg.1-6 (gutsy), package size 160 kB, installed size 328 kB
[17:10] <tzanger> info printf says no page for printf
[17:10] <jhutchins_wk> Ah.
[17:10] <llutz> tzanger: bcus you haven't installed the package containing printf
[17:10] <tzanger> llutz: yes, which is that?
[17:10] <hydrogen> llutz: what?
[17:10] <hydrogen> llutz: thats completely and totally wrong
[17:10] <llutz> not sure, libc6-dev
[17:11] <jhutchins_wk> coreutils in Mandriva.
[17:11] <jhutchins_wk> !info printf
[17:11] <ubotu> Package printf does not exist in gutsy
[17:11] <tzanger> llutz: oh I have the man page for printf, and I build all kinds of things on this box... I'm 99% sure i Have libc6-dev :-)
[17:11] <rysiek> guys, need help with sagem my411X + bluetooth + kubuntu gutsy
[17:11] <jhutchins_wk> !find printf
[17:11] <ubotu> Found: gettext, gettext-base, printfilters-ppd
[17:12] <hydrogen> tzanger: most packages say that just to be safe.. I've not seen any packages thus far where the info page had something the man page didn't
[17:12] <hydrogen> and man is much nicer to read than info
[17:12] <tzanger> hydrogen: hmm... okay
[17:12] <tzanger> thanks :-)
[17:12] <hydrogen> I'm not sure what ubuntu/debian does with info pages
[17:12] <rysiek> I keep getting "Connection refused" when trying to use the rfcomm device
[17:13] <llutz> tzanger: so sry for telling sh.t
[17:14] <jhutchins_wk> tzanger: There's also a 99% probability that there's an info page repository on the web somewhere.
[17:17] <subspider> hi people
[17:17] <subspider> i have problem my keyboard is not weel configured
[17:18] <subspider> can someone help me
[17:18] <subspider> __
[17:20] <Lynoure> subspider: What kind of problem you have with it?
[17:21] <subspider> is not well configured
[17:21] <Lynoure> subspider: If you want to change the layout to different language, check K->System Settings->Regional&Language->Keyboard layout
[17:21] <subspider> ok
[17:21] <subspider> thnks
[17:24] <subspider> ok. thnks now is repaired
[17:24] <subspider> ;)
[17:27] <ronny_> hiho
[17:39] <ibou> how to read dvd with kmplayer ?
[17:39] <EDinNY> install went well...undate bombed...on my old Dell computer
[17:40] <EDinNY> I tried and apt-get and it said to run dkpg
[17:40] <EDinNY> I needed to repair grub before it would reboot
[17:40] <EDinNY> anyone seen this before?
[17:42] <MGalaxy> hi, I can DL non-GPL themes in Emerald, the message is "Can not call Tar file", any solution?
[17:42] <EDinNY> now dkpg is asking which version of files to use and I don't know the answer
[17:42] <MGalaxy> con not*
[17:42] <somiran> hi can anyone tell me my kubuntu panel is not working
[17:43] <feierfox> hello
[17:43] <EDinNY> what panel is not working?
[17:43] <somiran> it's showing no active window now
[17:43] <feierfox> how to change the window-manager back from beryl?
[17:43] <somiran> desktop panel
[17:43] <EDinNY> the line on the bottom of your screen?
[17:43] <somiran> ya
[17:44] <EDinNY> how long you been using kde?
[17:44] <EDinNY> on that machine?
[17:44] <somiran> 3 month
[17:44] <EDinNY> so if you deleted that account, you would miss things?
[17:45] <EDinNY> how did you loose it?
[17:45] <frank232> feierfox: alt-f2   type   kwin --replace
[17:45] <somiran> now what should i do
[17:45] <somiran> just 2 hour ago
[17:45] <feierfox> is kwin default then?
[17:46] <frank232> feierfox: yeah kwin is the kde window manager
[17:46] <feierfox> thanks a lot
[17:46] <EDinNY> I would create a new account, whch would end up with a new panel, then move over your data and change the ownership, but there are otherw ways
[17:46] <somiran> tell me please
[17:46] <feierfox> hmm, after replacing kwin, my kde is anymore a litle bit slow
[17:47] <somiran> please tell me what should i do now
[17:48] <arkygeek_> hi guys.  trying to print to a epson rx640 that is connected to an iMac that has sharing turned on... works printing directly, but not over the netwrok... any hints?
[17:49] <EDinNY> arkygeek_: what print method are you using to that mac?
[17:49] <somiran> hey please tell me how to make my kde desktop panel work again
[17:49] <EDinNY> somiran: I told you what I would do...what changes did you make?
[17:50] <somiran> EDinNY nothing i did changed
[17:50] <blanky> Hello
[17:50] <blanky> can someone help me ?
[17:51] <EDinNY> blanky: maybe...ask
[17:51] <blanky> how do i get on a french chat/server watever u call it ?
[17:52] <JoshOvki> !fr
[17:52] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[17:52] <blanky> my first time on konversation ^'
[17:52] <blanky> oh ok thats pretty simple xD
[17:54] <arkygeek_> EDinNY: ipp
[17:55] <arkygeek_> EDinNY: remote cups (ipp/http)
[17:55] <EDinNY> arkygeek_: does the mac support that?
[17:55] <arkygeek_> i dont know
[17:55] <EDinNY> arkygeek_: there are also 2 versions of that protocol which use different ports
[17:56]  * EDinNY looks at his printer config tool...
[17:56] <Antkin> Hello
[17:57] <EDinNY> arkygeek_: try Remote LPD queue...just about every unix supports that
[17:57] <Antkin> can you help me today?
[17:57] <arkygeek_> EDinNY: ok
[17:57] <JoshOvki> Antkin: how do we know, you havnt told us the problem
[17:57] <EDinNY> Antkin: not unless you ask a question
[17:58] <Antkin> I am serious problems with Ubuntu
[17:58] <selckin> !ask
[17:58] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[17:58]  * EDinNY still has problems with a new install...install works, but update hangs
[17:58] <JoshOvki> Antkin: ubuntu ot kubuntu?
[17:58] <JoshOvki> *or
[17:59] <Antkin> I want to removeUbuntut from four hard drives and install Kubuntu
[17:59] <EDinNY> antkin, just install them over what you have
[17:59] <EDinNY> or apt-get install kde....you can have both on your box
[18:00] <Antkin> will it destroy Ubuntu for good?
[18:00] <EDinNY> I use Gnome apps on my kubuntu machine
[18:00] <sigma_1234> why can openoffice not print more than one copy of a document at the same time? this is even if you set the multiple copy setting in the print dialog
[18:00] <EDinNY> Antkin: what do you want to accomplish?  new install, or add kde to your machine?
[18:01] <Antkin> New install
[18:01] <EDinNY> if your /home is in it's own directy, you can save that
[18:01] <EDinNY> Antkin: then put in the kubuntu disk and install
[18:02] <EDinNY> make sure it formats the partitions that have the os in it
[18:02] <Antkin> tried that it does not make it to the end
[18:02] <EDinNY> what does it say when it hangs?
[18:03] <Antkin> it just gets to 93% and stalls
[18:03] <EDinNY> did you have it check your cd?
[18:03] <pag> Antkin, if you already have the ubuntu, then why bother reinstalling, when you can just apt-get the additional packages?
[18:03] <Antkin> Yes it worked first time on one box had problems after that
[18:04] <EDinNY> that was my suggestions
[18:04] <EDinNY> Antkin: some cd readers are better than others...test the cd on that machine...it is in the start menu before booting
[18:05] <Antkin> I have been bannd from the Ubunt support IRC twice in one day I must remove it this week
[18:06] <Antkin> My Kubutnu dual boot is fine had no problem since I installed gutsy in Oct 2007
[18:06] <EDinNY> Antkin: you have suggesttions...try them
[18:07] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone! I am trying to get my Atheros-based (AR5212) wireless device working with network-manager on a wpa-personal-tkip encrypted network with DHCP. The applet stalls at 28%, wicd will connect fine and dhclient will get an IP adress. Any ideas where to start?
[18:07] <ubuntu> hi
[18:07] <jhutchins_wk> Antkin: You do understand that the only difference is the Desktop Environment is KDE instead of gnome, 99% of the system is still the same.
[18:07] <jhutchins_wk> Antkin: There's also a purekde wiki page that tells you how to just switch to kubuntu and clean up gnome.
[18:08] <MilhousePunkRock> jhutchins_wk: 99% is a bit high, but the system underneath the DE is identical...
[18:08] <Antkin> thanks I will if this carries on I'm going back to Mandrive I cannot do with any more vhassle from Ubuntu
[18:08] <EDinNY> jhutchins_wk: now that he started the install he needs to finish it...so he needs to check his install disk
[18:08] <jhutchins_wk> !purekde
[18:08] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[18:08]  * EDinNY goes to lunch
[18:08] <jhutchins_wk> MilhousePunkRock: I guess it depends on how you look at the system, the GNU pre-video stuff is what I consider important.
[18:09] <smonta> hi
[18:09] <Maxim000> how can I install GRUB from Kubuntu 7.10 liveCD?
[18:09] <pag> !grub | Maxim000
[18:09] <ubotu> Maxim000: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[18:09] <Antkin> I have installed KDE instead of Gnome on my Ubuntu boxes
[18:10] <MilhousePunkRock> jhutchins_wk: I doubt it makes up 99% though...
[18:10] <pag> smonta, hi. :)
[18:11] <Antkin> Bye
[18:11] <Maxim000> oh. I always forget about sudo...
[18:12] <Maxim000> pag, thanks :)
[18:12] <feierfox> hello!
[18:12] <pag> Maxim000, np :)
[18:12] <comp8> HOW CAN I FIND A GOOD TIMER TO SERVE MY 8 COMPUTERS IN LINUX
[18:12] <MilhousePunkRock> comp8: Caps lock...
[18:12] <feierfox> i did some compiz-experiements and now my KDE slows down
[18:12] <feierfox> i have removed compiz yet, but the slow-mode is going on :(
[18:13] <MilhousePunkRock> comp8: Timer? As in clock? NTP?
[18:13] <MilhousePunkRock> !ntp | comp8
[18:13] <ubotu> comp8: Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)
[18:13] <feierfox> so what can i do?
[18:14] <Stilo> anyone knows a german channel for compiz fusion?
[18:14] <comp8> no timer as in a cyber cafe timer.. which i can use to time how much time a client has spent on a certain comp for billing
[18:15] <pag> comp8, " time foo "  ;)
[18:16] <comp8> sorry but<pag> use the right language..
[18:16] <pag> comp8, the command is called 'time' the syntax for it is " time  what_ever_command_needs_to_be_timed "
[18:17] <comp8> in a cyber we have clients< the clients have to pay afer using comps> i meant that cybercafe timer as in, spent 20 min need to pay how much?>
[18:17] <ubuntu_> hi
[18:18] <pag> comp8, oh.. nevermind then...  I'd guess Kiosk might have similiar feature, but I'm not sure
[18:20] <jhutchins_wk> comp8: You could pay someone to write one and set it up for you, I know of no standard package that does that.
[18:21] <comp8> u mean no approved timer yet?
[18:21] <jhutchins_wk> comp8: I do know of a service that will meter wireless access for billing, obviously it's not free.
[18:22] <jhutchins_wk> comp8: It's not a "timer", you're looking for a usage metering and billing system.
[18:22] <Lynoure> comp8: checked on sourceforge yet?
[18:22] <jhutchins_wk> comp8: It's kindof unreasonable to expect to be able to use this stuff to make money and not expend any money or effort to support it.
[18:22] <jhutchins_wk> comp8: Find a good programmer and pay them to set it up.
[18:23] <comp8> you know we call it cafestation-cafeclient
[18:24] <Lynoure> comp8: you could try OutKafe. Never tried it myself, though, and it's not packaged for Ubuntu, I think.
[18:24] <trappist> heh.  sounds like you might get cafestated.
[18:25] <comp8> not yet wat is with sourceforge.. which site
[18:25] <Lynoure> comp8: sourceforge is sourceforce.net , OutKafe you can google for.
[18:26] <comp8> oke let me try it.
[18:28] <aaroncampbell> If I have n intel video card, and a Dell widescreen monitor, how would I go about allowing the monitor to display at the correct resolution of 1680x1050?
[18:29] <aaroncampbell> 1280x768 is the largest it seems to offer. . .
[18:32] <raoman> #kubuntu-kde4
[18:34] <jhutchins_wk> aaroncampbell: Well, you could look up the video card, and see what it's capable of.
[18:35] <martijn81> aaroncampbell: easiest to do is-> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:35] <aaroncampbell> jhutchins_wk: It handles it fine with windows, but it doesn't seem to be offering it as an option
[18:40] <Ahmuck> comp8, there is zonecd or publicip.net ... it is free
[18:41] <atomicpotato> someone - is there a KDE version of synaptic? Synaptic works, unlike adept.
[18:41] <Ahmuck> yes, i'ts called synaptic, "sudo aptitude install synaptic"
[18:41] <Ahmuck> what does not work about adept?
[18:45] <martijn81> aaroncampbell: you tried what i told ya? keep the monitor specs with you when you do that though
[18:49] <josh__> hello
[18:50] <josh__> whats this i hear about being able to put system 32 files from windows into wine
[18:50] <josh__> and it being able to work perfectly
[18:51] <jhutchins_wk> aaroncampbell: Again, you would need to look up the video card in the xorg database and see what the linux driver supports.
[18:51] <daiana> HOLA
[18:52] <Ahmuck> josh__:  you hear correctly
[18:52] <daiana> KE
[18:52] <daiana> HELLO
[18:52] <josh__> so why doesnt wine just come with them by defailt
[18:52] <josh__> default
[18:52] <josh__> or is it a legal issue
[18:52] <daiana> KIENES SON
[18:53] <daiana> ALGUIEN QUE HABLE EN ESPA;OL POR FAVOR
[18:53] <nosrednaekim> !es
[18:53] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:54] <daiana> ME ESTOY BOLVIENDO LOKA
[18:54] <daiana> ALGUIEN CON E/MAIL
[18:54] <Pici> !es
[18:55] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:55] <daiana> PASENLO
[18:55] <daiana> NO ENTIENDO NADAAA
[18:55] <LjL> daiana: escribe /join #ubuntu-es
[18:55] <daiana> KE
[18:56] <LjL> daiana: aqui solamente hablamos ingles, #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es para español. y no GRITES, gracias.
[18:56] <nosrednaekim> GRITES == caps?
[18:57] <estrella> now
[18:58] <estrella> hi
[18:58] <Gabe> hi.
[18:59] <estrella> how old are you_
[18:59] <Gabe> who?  me?
[18:59] <nosrednaekim> estrella» this is a help channel, not a chat channel
[18:59] <Ahmuck> not a pick up channel either
[18:59] <Gabe> that's what I thought...
[18:59] <estrella> oh oh
[19:00] <Gabe> meh.
[19:00] <estrella> msn?
[19:00] <Gabe> ok... quick ? guys....
[19:01] <Gabe> have a current install of gutsy and have lost a lot of functionality... usb wifi is gone, can't access other hdds on my system, etc....
[19:01] <Gabe> I have my home dirs set up on hda5 and system files on hda1...
[19:01] <articpenguin3800> will kubuntu play DRMed mp3s?
[19:01] <nosrednaekim> Gabe» what do you mean by "lost"
[19:01] <Gabe> was thinking of just wiping the hda1 part and reinstalling from the gutsy DVD...
[19:01] <nosrednaekim> articpenguin3800» no
[19:02] <articpenguin3800> good
[19:02] <Gabe> meaning that I had out of the box plug n pray support on the usb wifi card and now it's gone
[19:02] <Gabe> and that I'm not able to access any of my ntfs disks anymore...
[19:02] <nosrednaekim> Gabe» did you update your kernel or something?
[19:02] <Gabe> yeah... like a dummy....
[19:03] <Gabe> shoulda compiled it myself....
[19:03] <nosrednaekim> compiled the kernel? haha... no you should never have to do that yourself.
[19:04] <estrella> ok
[19:04] <Gabe> actually, I've done it several times for various distros and never had any problems.
[19:04] <nosrednaekim> Gabe» for the ntfs disks, go to system settings->advanced->disks and partitions
[19:04] <Gabe> already have...
[19:05] <estrella> for you /_
[19:05] <Gabe> I'm thinking of just wiping the hda1 partition and reinstalling from the dvd but I want to make sure I can still access all my data in the home dirs...
[19:05] <Gabe> what's the best way of doing that?
[19:06] <estrella> fine
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> Gabe» as long as your home is on the other partition you shouldn't have a problem.
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> Gabe» just reinstall over the first installation, and set the home DIR partition to be mounted as /home
[19:08] <Gabe> how does that affect the users though?  I have myself and a guest account...
[19:09] <Ahmuck> if you have a seperate partition for /home it won't affect anything for users
[19:10] <nosrednaekim> Gabe» just add the users back...
[19:10] <Ahmuck> if your /home is in the same partition, then you will have no more users
[19:10] <Gabe> k.
[19:11] <Gabe> I didn't think it would cause any problems, but I just wanted to make sure...
[19:11] <nosrednaekim> Gabe» i've done it many times, you shouldn't have any problems
[19:12] <Gabe> worst part is going to be getting compiz-fusion working again....
[19:12] <Gabe> that was a nightmare....
[19:12] <nosrednaekim> just don't update your kernel if everything i working :)
[19:12] <atomicpotato> getting compiz to work is a nightmare?
[19:12] <Gabe> guess I could try the git version now.
[19:12] <atomicpotato> I just installed it and ran "compiz"
[19:12] <Gabe> yeah... it was a radeon xpress 200m graphics card...
[19:13] <yasahiro> hey allz.... im looking into buying the HP Photosmart D5360... is it compatible with kubuntu?
[19:13] <Gabe> took forever...
[19:13] <atomicpotato> oh wait no, that's not quite true. I had to add "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" to xorg.conf.
[19:13] <estrella> white
[19:13] <estrella> black
[19:13] <estrella> red
[19:13] <estrella> blue
[19:13] <Gabe> wtf???
[19:14] <estrella> jajaj
[19:14] <nosrednaekim> yasahiro» if thats a printer, then yes, Hps are excellently supported
[19:14] <nosrednaekim> Gabe» don't worry :)
[19:15] <Erickj92> can anyone recomend some games?
[19:15] <selckin> smc
[19:16] <nosrednaekim> Erickj92» bzflag
[19:16] <nosrednaekim> glz-117
[19:16] <nosrednaekim> *gl-117
[19:16] <Gabe> I really like kolf... but that's me.
[19:17] <Gabe> looks like this is gonna take a while.
[19:18] <genii> Erickj92: http://rangit.com/software/top-8-linux-games-of-2007/
[19:19] <Erickj92> thanks
[19:19] <genii> Erickj92: np
[19:19] <genii> Erickj92: I recommend openarena and world of padman from that list
[19:19] <martijn81> Erickj92: for a shooter i can recommend Nexuiz
[19:20] <Erickj92> sweet
[19:20] <Gabe> as a side ?... does thunderbird -profilemanager run under Kubuntu?  I know it does under windows, but never had any success under *nix before....
[19:20] <Erickj92> and who said Linux doesnt have anything good
[19:30] <Gabe> yay!  networking restored!
[20:10] <Vermux> how do I change my user name password?
[20:11] <sam64> System Settings > User Managment
[20:13] <Vermux> tnx
[20:16] <Erickj92> what is the package name of world of padman?
[20:16] <Erickj92> i cant find anything in search
[20:18] <genii> Erickj92: world of padman does not have a package. You get the .run file then execute it
[20:18] <genii> Sorry for lag, work called me away
[20:19] <sebastianito> where can i find repositories to add?
[20:19] <Erickj92> do i get the .run file off the website?
[20:19] <atomicpotato> yes
[20:19] <Gabe> which packages do I need to compile nvidia kernel module?
[20:19] <atomicpotato> linux-headers and build-essential and the kernel module source
[20:23] <Ax-Ax> sorry for sucking, how do i make a zip "a" with the folder "a/b" in?
[20:24] <Dominic> in a console?
[20:24] <Ax-Ax> yes
[20:24] <Dominic> zip -r a.zip a/b
[20:25] <Ax-Ax> :)
[20:25] <Dominic> (-r is recursive, so it adds further directories if they exist)
[20:26] <Erickj92> how do i use a .run file?
[20:26] <Dominic> in a console, normally:  chmod +x file.run; ./file.run
[20:26] <jussi01> Erickj92: ./file.run from konsole
[20:26] <Dominic> make sure it's from a trusted source before you execute a random file
[20:27] <jussi01> yeah, you probably need the chmod +x also
[20:28] <unagi> in kontact when im trying to send a message i get (The server responded: "must be authenticated") what does that mean
[20:34] <Erickj92> when i do: ./worldofpadman.run, it tells me permission denied
[20:34] <Dominic> make sure you've run:  chmod +x worldofpadman.run
[20:35] <Erickj92> now it says: bad interpreter: Text file busy
[20:36] <Dominic> Erickj92: have you opened the file somewhere in an editor perhaps?
[20:36] <Erickj92> no
[20:36] <sebastianito> what repositories do i need to add!?
[20:36] <Erickj92> its just sitting on my desktop after downloading it
[20:36] <Dominic> Erickj92: the only thing that comes to mind is that something has it open
[20:37] <jussi01> sebastianito: for?
[20:37] <sebastianito> updates and packages
[20:43] <sebastianito> how does kde 4.0.1 work ?
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> sebastianito» fairly well for me..... but some people have problems
[20:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> by providing window management and desktop management abstraction layers between the X server and the end user.
[20:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> oh...
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop» heh <_<
[20:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> how WELL does it work...  it's okay
[20:45] <sebastianito> nosrednaekim: is there an easy way for installing it alongide with kde 3.5?
[20:45] <nosrednaekim> sebastianito» yes, thats the way ti works by default
[20:46] <sebastianito> what do u mean?
[20:46] <ZoR3oL> hey all !!
[20:47] <ZoR3oL> need help for a KDE newbie user :)
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> ZoR3oL» whats wrong
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> sebastianito» you can select to go between 4.0.1 and 3, just like you can select between KDE3 and GNOME
[20:47] <ZoR3oL> hum i explain
[20:48] <ZoR3oL> i have a intel HDA chipset
[20:48] <ZoR3oL> and i have the sound on the laptop speaker but on headphone too
[20:48] <ZoR3oL> they aren't separated :s
[20:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> !sound | ZoR3oL
[20:48] <ubotu> ZoR3oL: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[20:49] <ZoR3oL> i have sound ;)
[20:49] <ZoR3oL> but on headphone and speaker laptop too ^^
[20:49] <sebastianito> nosrednaekim: but i want to know how to install it, or is it alredy installed?
[20:49] <ZoR3oL> at the same time !
[20:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> ZoR3oL: see the link that says "sound troubleshooting"?
[20:49] <ZoR3oL> thanks ,)
[20:49] <nosrednaekim> ZoR3oL» in kmix, they probably have separate channels
[20:50] <genii> Erickj92: try bash worldofpadman.run
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> !kde4 | sebastianito
[20:50] <ubotu> sebastianito: KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:50] <tekteen> ZoR3oL: I had that issue. It is a different answer for different hardware
[20:50] <sebastianito> ok thank u
[20:51] <Erickj92> genii, now i get "error in md5 checksum"
[20:51] <Erickj92> i gues it wasnt meant ot be
[20:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> tekteen: looking like it's hda-intel...  what did they change so drastically that it's caused this many problems?
[20:51] <ZoR3oL> omg
[20:51] <ZoR3oL> KDE4  ^^
[20:51] <sebastianito> im new, in kubuntu, where do i add the it in the repository?
[20:51] <ZoR3oL> nice desktop i love it ;)
[20:51] <genii> Erickj92: Sounds like a bad/corrupt file. Supposed to be 500 something Mb in size
[20:52] <Erickj92> 133 KB
[20:52] <tekteen> Daisuke_Laptop: it is software based switching :-)
[20:52] <Erickj92> but i thought it was just a script
[20:52] <tekteen> Daisuke_Laptop: used to be hw
[20:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> >_<
[20:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, now i see why there are so many paroblem
[20:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> +s
[20:53] <tekteen> Daisuke_Laptop: it does work
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> sebastianito» adept_manager->adept->manage repositories->3rd party repositories
[20:53] <tekteen> Daisuke_Laptop: ubuntu just can't auto detect it
[20:53] <genii> Erickj92: According to http://files.filefront.com/World+of+Padman+Linux/;7124029;/fileinfo.html should be 550.23Mb
[20:53] <ZoR3oL> in the sound troobleshooting
[20:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> tekteen: recompiling alsa is what i consider a pretty major problem
[20:54] <sebastianito> thx:D
[20:54] <ZoR3oL> i don't find what i want :s
[20:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> that shouldn't have to be done :\
[20:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> but hardy's coming, which will help :)
[20:54] <tekteen> Daisuke_Laptop: I did not recompile anything. just added a line to the config file
[20:59] <waynrdude> can anyone help me with a screen problem im having............my monitor doesnt seem to like 1024 x 768 its nice and wavy and offcenter
[20:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> tekteen: there are hda-intels that are not working at all without recompiling alsa to 1.0.15 or later, since gutsy's version is (assuming it hasn't been backported) 1.0.14
[21:00] <waynrdude>  !intel
[21:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:00] <jussi01> !fixres | waynrdude
[21:00] <ubotu> waynrdude: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[21:01] <angusprune> Hi, I'm having some problems with my second hard drive - It says that 20gb is taken, but only 50Mb or so of fiels are found (including hidden folders)
[21:02] <Captain_Redbeard> Has kde 4.0.2 been tagged as it should?
[21:02] <waynrdude> apparently it was the refresh rate that was causing the problem
[21:02] <jussi01> Captain_Redbeard: kde4 questions in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[21:02] <SSJ_GZ> Captain_Redbeard: Yes.
[21:03] <Captain_Redbeard> SSJ_GZ: good good... so back on schedual
[21:03] <Captain_Redbeard> jussi01: ok sry
[21:03] <sebastianito> i cant open apt updates or add/remove programs!
[21:04] <jussi01> sebastianito: whats the error?
[21:04] <sebastianito> could not open cache
[21:04] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: have you tried using the commandline tools?
[21:04] <jussi01> !aptfix | sebastianito
[21:04] <ubotu> sebastianito: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[21:04] <jussi01> sebastianito: I assume its the databse locked error?
[21:04] <sebastianito> su: !aptfix: event not found
[21:04] <jussi01> sebastianito: nooo
[21:05] <jussi01> sebastianito: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:05] <jussi01> sebastianito: !aptfix just calls the bot :)
[21:05] <sebastianito> aha
[21:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> whee!
[21:07] <sebastianito> jussi01: it still dont work
[21:08] <sebastianito> i get the same error
[21:08] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: and you don't have several instances of it running?
[21:09] <sebastianito> no
[21:09] <jussi01> sebastianito: please tell us the exact error?
[21:09] <sebastianito> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[21:09] <jussi01> sebastianito: did you try what it said?
[21:10] <sebastianito> i tryed the apt-get update but nothing happend
[21:10] <sebastianito> ya
[21:10] <jussi01> what about apt-setup ?
[21:10] <sebastianito> hehe i dont know how
[21:10] <sebastianito> im new
[21:10] <jussi01> sudo apt-setup in a konsole
[21:11] <sebastianito> command not found on both of them
[21:12] <jussi01> both of?
[21:12] <sebastianito> i tryed apt-setup and apt-get update, and i get command not found on both
[21:13] <jussi01> sebastianito: do this, open konsole. then type, with out the quotes: "sudo apt-setup"
[21:13] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: locate apt-setup
[21:13] <Captain_Redbeard> :P
[21:13] <sebastianito> same thing
[21:14] <sebastianito> and on locate apt-setup nothing happends
[21:15] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: sudo updatedb && locate apt-setup | grep bin
[21:15] <Captain_Redbeard> in a terminal/console ofc
[21:15] <sebastianito> ok
[21:17] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: might take a while to run
[21:17] <sebastianito> still dont work.
[21:18] <Captain_Redbeard> what does it return?
[21:19] <sebastianito> nothing, it just loaded and stopped
[21:19] <Captain_Redbeard> ehm...
[21:19] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: locate apt-get
[21:20] <sebastianito> /usr/share/man/fr/man8/apt-get.8.gz
[21:20] <sebastianito> /usr/share/man/ja/man8/apt-get.8.gz
[21:20] <sebastianito> /usr/share/man/man8/apt-get.8.gz
[21:20] <sebastianito> /usr/share/man/es/man8/apt-get.8.gz
[21:20] <sebastianito> /usr/bin/apt-get
[21:20] <Captain_Redbeard> locate works then :P
[21:20] <Captain_Redbeard> sudo apt-get update
[21:20] <sebastianito> hehe,:P
[21:20] <Captain_Redbeard> what does it return?
[21:20] <sebastianito> E: Malformed line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[21:21] <Captain_Redbeard> voilá
[21:21] <Captain_Redbeard> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:21] <Captain_Redbeard> go to line 56
[21:21] <Captain_Redbeard> (you can check what line you're at with ctrl+c)
[21:21] <Captain_Redbeard> what does that line say?
[21:22] <sebastianito> how do i go to 56?
[21:22] <Captain_Redbeard> press down ;)
[21:22] <Captain_Redbeard> and control what line you are at with ctrl+c
[21:22] <sebastianito> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy
[21:23] <Captain_Redbeard> would be easier with vim or emacs, but I don't have time for a crash course in those editors ;)
[21:23] <sebastianito> hehe ok
[21:24] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: put a # in front of that line
[21:24] <Captain_Redbeard> press ctrl+o
[21:24] <Captain_Redbeard> and then ctrl+x
[21:24] <Captain_Redbeard> then run sudo apt-get update again
[21:25] <sebastianito> E: Malformed line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse
[21:26] <Captain_Redbeard> erf...
[21:26] <sebastianito> i installed this 1 hour ago and its alredy weird :P
[21:26] <llutz> miscounted :)
[21:26] <Captain_Redbeard> you messed something up mate ;)
[21:26] <Captain_Redbeard> don't sorry though
[21:26] <Captain_Redbeard> we'll sort it out somehow :D
[21:26] <sebastianito> hehe yeah i install it again
[21:26] <Captain_Redbeard> *worry
[21:26] <Captain_Redbeard> naaah
[21:26] <sebastianito> thx for the help
[21:27] <sebastianito> it was when i tryed to add kde4 in the reps
[21:27] <Captain_Redbeard> yea i figured...
[21:27] <Captain_Redbeard> if you want kde4
[21:27] <Captain_Redbeard> I would reccomend you to use hardy instead of gutsy
[21:28] <sebastianito> but isn't it more buggy?
[21:28] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: I use it at work...
[21:28] <Captain_Redbeard> so nope
[21:28] <Captain_Redbeard> or well
[21:28] <Captain_Redbeard> of course there are bugs... but that's how you learn :)
[21:28] <sebastianito> :)
[21:28] <Captain_Redbeard> and you don't run in to them that often
[21:28] <sebastianito> ok i will
[21:29] <sebastianito> the one that takes 500mb is that the one?
[21:29] <Captain_Redbeard> I learned by messing up like 50 slackware systems back in the days
[21:29] <Captain_Redbeard> the ISO you mean?
[21:29] <miso> I've got ssh (openssh-client) installed but bash can't find it - (The program 'ssh' is currently not installed...) - can someone point in the direction of a solution?
[21:29] <Captain_Redbeard> miso: mememe! :)
[21:29] <sebastianito> yup
[21:29] <Captain_Redbeard> miso: your PATH is probably messed up
[21:30] <sebastianito> can u send me the link?
[21:30] <sebastianito> i want to be sure i get the right one.
[21:30] <miso> Thanks CR - apologies for intrusion...
[21:30] <Captain_Redbeard> miso: no sweat mate :)
[21:31] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: should be a link from the frontpage of kubuntu.org
[21:31] <llutz> miso: apt-cache policy openssh-client
[21:31] <sebastianito> ok
[21:32] <miso> llutz: Installed: 1:4.6p1-5ubuntu0.1
[21:33] <Captain_Redbeard> maybe someone can help me out then... :P I need someone who's got experience with Xen on Itanium...
[21:33] <sebastianito> Captain_redbeard: is it a graphical installation?
[21:33] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: the hardy one? yea!
[21:33] <sebastianito> ok thx for the help, bye
[21:34] <Captain_Redbeard> sebastianito: take care mate
[21:34] <Captain_Redbeard> no one has any itanium experience with Xen?
[21:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> the itanic actually works with something?
[21:43] <neomito> hola
[21:43] <dey> aca ablan ingles nomas neomito
[21:44] <neomito> chispas
[21:44] <dey> entra al otro
[21:44] <neomito> do you speak  spanish?
[21:44] <dey> yo no
[21:45] <neomito> arrivederchiiii
[21:45] <mith_> all of the dependencies of superkaramba are installed, and i've installed it from repos. But those themes, wich uses scripts doesn't work. why?
[21:45] <dey> chau
[21:48] <ghostcube> hi guys :) question for gutsy and compiz-fusion and compiz taskbar on kde 3.5.9
[21:49] <ghostcube> has there any option changed for kde that iot wont recognize any hints in [General] section of  .kde/share/config/ktaskbarrc
[21:49] <Cequine> Hello, I'm trying to connect to MacOS using samba. I can connect and see the shared folder on the mac, but have a connection problem.  the error on the mac says: "Unable to connect becuase some information in the address can not be read, error-36"
[21:49] <Cequine> Also i can not see anyhting from this kubuntu machine,. the smb:/<ip> resolves, but no shares are found
[21:51] <ghostcube> ghostcube: the option ShowAllWindows=false worked till kde 3.5.7 ^^ now it doesnt work
[21:51] <MasseR> Hi. My /tmp is overflowing even though I just did rm -fr /tmp
[21:51] <ghostcube> why is there my nick infront of my post eh :|
[21:51] <MasseR> overflow              1.0M  992K   32K  97% /tmp
[21:52] <Dominic> 1MB is a pretty small tmp partition
[21:52] <MasseR> Dominic: Default kubuntu-install
[21:52] <PhilRod> on what? a floppy disk?
[21:54] <MasseR> Dominic: Yep
[21:54] <MasseR> Dominic: But why is it 1mb?
[21:54] <PhilRod> hrm, I installed kubuntu a couple of weeks ago, and I don't even have a separate partition for /tmp. Are you sure you used the defaults? Do you have some weird partition type that doesn't really report its size?
[21:54] <ghostcube> btw are there any fixes for the admin session bug in kcontrol and systemsettings, complaining missing modul
[21:54] <Dominic> MasseR: I've no idea - I used my own partitioning.
[21:57] <acemo> is it possible to install windows after u have installed linux and not having to re-install grub?
[21:57] <tekteen> acemo: no
[21:57] <tekteen> acemo: you need to reset grub
[21:58] <tekteen> acemo: also windows install cds like to delete your entire partition
[21:58] <tekteen> acemo: if it is a restore cd
[21:58] <acemo> tekteen: already got a seperate partition for windows
[21:59] <tekteen> acemo: but the cd may repartition its self
[21:59] <tekteen> acemo: And there is no way to stop it
[21:59] <acemo> tekteen: its not an unattended cd
[21:59] <tekteen> ok
[22:00] <tekteen> you will still need to reinstall grub in the mbr
[22:01] <acemo> is it possible to install only grub with the kubuntu cd?
[22:01] <olie> can anyone help me
[22:01] <Erickj92> my taskbar stoped working
[22:01] <Erickj92> it is stuck hidden
[22:02] <PhilRod> Erickj92: is it still running? (look in the ksysguard or the output of ps uxww)
[22:02] <tekteen> acemo: there is a cd for that
[22:02] <PhilRod> (the process name you want is "kicker")
[22:02] <tekteen> acemo: a grub fix cd
[22:02] <tekteen> !grub
[22:02] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[22:02] <olie> kopete cant establish a connection but my internet is working fine
[22:02] <Erickj92> PhilRod, it is still running, because i see the effects from compiz being released from it
[22:02] <acemo> tekteen: what cd?
[22:03] <acemo> ahh :)
[22:03] <nosrednaekim> olie» ping works,but kpete doesn't detect that you are connected tot he internet?
[22:04] <Erickj92> PhilRod, yes, the process "kicker" is still running. and i have tried a reboot also
[22:04] <olie> yes nosrednaekim
[22:04] <PhilRod> Erickj92: dcop kicker default restart
[22:04] <Erickj92> what?
[22:04] <PhilRod> run that command in a konsole - what happens?
[22:04] <Erickj92> one sec
[22:05] <stefanov> Hi guts
[22:05] <stefanov> guys*
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> olie» are you using kneworkmanager?
[22:05] <stefanov> can someone explain me what should i do to be able to play mp3 i just installed kubuntu
[22:05] <olie> Yes nosrednaekim
[22:05] <nosrednaekim> hey stefanov
[22:05] <Erickj92> PhilRod, the bar poped up for a second, then minimized itself to hidden, and wont show again
[22:06] <PhilRod> ok, so at least it's starting up correctly
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> olie» are you using wireless, or wired?
[22:06] <olie> wired nosrednaekim
[22:07] <Erickj92> PhilRod, is it fixable or do i have to reformat a 3rd time?
[22:07] <PhilRod> Erickj92: go to system settings -> ... D'oh, no panel settings in system settings. That's pretty dumb
[22:07] <heath> can someone point me to some documentation on upgrading a kernel with a fakeraid?
[22:07] <PhilRod> Erickj92: everything in linux is fixable, unless your machine doesn't boot :-)
[22:07] <nosrednaekim> olie» then kill knetworkmanager and tell it not to start on startup, knetworkmanager is not neccesary for wired connections
[22:07] <Erickj92> ok
[22:08] <heath> install knemo
[22:08] <Erickj92> any other ideas?
[22:08] <PhilRod> Erickj92: Hit Alt+F2, and in the dialog that appears, run kcontrolcenter
[22:08] <PhilRod> sorry, kcontrol
[22:08] <Erickj92> ok, its open
[22:08] <PhilRod> go to desktop->panels
[22:08] <olie> how do i kill and tell it not to start up on start-up nosrednaekim
[22:08] <Erickj92> ok
[22:08] <PhilRod> click on the "hiding" tab, and select "only hide when a panel-hiding button is clicked"
[22:08] <PhilRod> then apply
[22:09] <stefanov> How do i play mp3 ?
[22:09] <Erickj92> ok, thanks
[22:09] <Erickj92> now i can mess around with it and see if i can get it to hide correctly
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> olie» right click on it and say "quit"
[22:09] <Erickj92> PhilRod, now it works on autohide
[22:09] <Erickj92> heh
[22:09] <olie> ahh done it nosrednaekim
[22:09] <heath> stefanov:  look at this http://kubuntuguide.org/Gutsy
[22:10]  * PhilRod suggests you file a bug against system settings for that - it's kinda dumb to not include something that's actually useful
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> olie» did that fix it?
[22:10] <PhilRod> (well, you can get the panel config by right-clicking on the panel, which you can't do if the panel isn't working)
[22:10] <olie> nope nosrednaekim
[22:11] <Erickj92> i know. that is why i was lost and sitting here going "wth?"
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> olie» are you using a proxy?
[22:11] <olie> nosrednaekim: i have noi idea
[22:11] <heath> how do you search for an irc?
[22:12] <Erickj92> PhilRod, is it possible to have more pannels?
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> olie» then you probably aren't ;).... so into system settings->advanced->system services
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> Erickj92» certainly
[22:12] <Y-Town> heath: are you looking for channels or server?
[22:12] <PhilRod> heath: if you mean "search for a particular channel", then /msg chanserv list #foo*
[22:12] <heath> I need help with a fakeraid install
[22:12] <olie> yea
[22:14] <tekteen> heath: I have not done it but I know of a guide
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> click on the "network status daemon" and tell it to stop...also uncheck "use"
[22:14] <olie> nosrednaekim: yea
[22:14] <tekteen> heath: http://www.linux.com/base/ldp/howto/HOWTO-INDEX/os.html#OSRAID
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> olie» THAT should definately fix it.
[22:15] <mith_> all of the dependencies of superkaramba are installed, and i've installed it from repos. But those themes, wich uses scripts doesn't work. why?
[22:16] <heath> tekteen: the problem I am having is upgrading my kernel with my fakeraid setup... grub just hangs
[22:16] <olie> nosrednaekim: there isnt one called network staus daemon :(
[22:17] <stefanov> can anyone explain me step by step how to listen music? mp3
[22:17] <PhilRod> stefanov: google "kubuntu mp3", read the first page there?
[22:18] <heath> stefanov: read the guide.... it will tell you
[22:18] <heath> stefanov: http://kubuntuguide.org/Gutsy#Multimedia_Codecs_Installation
[22:18] <tekteen> heath: I do not know anything about it
[22:18] <heath> tekteen: thanks anyway man..
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> olie» duh!... my bad...., go to "service manager", not system services
[22:19] <Baever> Has anyone got the same problem like me to set screen resolution ?
[22:20] <heath> Baever: what do you mean
[22:21] <stefanov> thx , i only have one more question i am currently using kubuntu 6.06 , how do i update to 7.10 ?
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» that is difficult, probably easiest to do a fresh install
[22:23] <heath> I agree
[22:23] <heath> or you wil have to do all intervals
[22:23] <stefanov> isnt there a option like autoupdate and let it do it?
[22:23] <heath> not from 6.06
[22:23] <stefanov> from where is?
[22:23] <heath> you would have to go 6.10 --> 7.04 --> blah blah
[22:24] <stefanov> nvm i hate reinstaling
[22:24] <stefanov> its batter if i can just autoupdate
[22:24] <stefanov> so how i do it to 6.10
[22:24] <stefanov> and than to 7.4
[22:24] <stefanov> ?
[22:25] <Baever> heath: i get an error message when i want to use the "Monitor & Display - System settings" and the error message is "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded"
[22:25] <stefanov> and one more thing , i run a command this one sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras it doesnt say cmd was wrong but also it doesnt show nothing? like nothing is doing
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» well, thats not a package in dapper
[22:26] <heath> stefanov: that is because you are running 6.06
[22:26] <olie> nosrednaekim: thnx everythings fine now
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> olie» awesome
[22:26] <stefanov> ok so can u explain me again how can i update?
[22:27] <heath> Baever: that's strange... try it with su
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» yes, add the dapper-proposed repository and then grab the update-manager utility
[22:28] <heath> Baever: kdesu kcontrol
[22:29] <stefanov> ok i will and how do i run terminal commands?
[22:29] <stefanov> left click on destkop and run? or?
[22:29] <nosrednaekim> from the konsole
[22:29] <stefanov> ok i found out
[22:29] <heath> stefanov: why not just do a clean install to 7.10
[22:34] <stefanov> somebody said how to update but i got comp restarted can u repost pls it was something about add some reposatoris
[22:34] <heath> stefanov: why not just clean install 7.10?
[22:34] <nosrednaekim> add dapper-proposed and get the update-manager
[22:34] <stefanov> because i dont have cd
[22:35] <stefanov> ok where do i put that?
[22:35] <heath> do you have a burner?
[22:35] <stefanov> you mean program like nero?
[22:36] <Artimus> stefanov: I'm guessing a burner as in a CD-RW drive
[22:36] <stefanov> so how do i execly do this dapper-proposed?
[22:36] <stefanov> yes i have
[22:36] <heath> download 7.10 and burn it with K3b
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» run "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» and add the following line
[22:37] <stefanov> ok i run it ? now what line?
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-proposed main
[22:38] <stefanov> at the end of txt?
[22:39] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: Was kdesudo even around back in Dapper?
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» nope...
[22:39] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: Didn't think so.
[22:39] <Baever> Anyone know how i can deactivate all this fance desktop functions because this computer is ver slow =/
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» but kdesu has always been around :)
[22:39] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: I believe it's basically been totally deprecated in Hardy.  It may not even work...  Let's see
[22:39] <stefanov> so i add this line at the end and what now?
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» save it, and run "sudo apt-get update"
[22:40] <Artimus> kdesu is aliased to kdesudo
[22:40] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» yep
[22:40] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: I keep forgetting that I'm running Hardy.  Until I get bored and login to KDE4.  Then I remember very quickly...
[22:40] <stefanov> nothing happen
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» did you run that from the terminal?
[22:41] <stefanov> oh nop i will just  asec
[22:41] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» run all commands from th terminal
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» haha.... kde4 in hardy is unstable?
[22:43] <stefanov> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/locl - open (resource temorarily unabailable)
[22:43] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: Yes.  Plasma dies a lot.  I also made the mistake of turning on 3D Effects (Compiz or whatever it uses).  It renders the left half of the screen perfectly.  The right side...  Not so well.  I'm not even going to try to debug that one until the weekend.
[22:43] <Y-Town> anyone know how to set vlc as the default dvd player in kde?
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> Artimus» you can always erase the kwinrc and go back to defaults...
[22:44] <stefanov> nosrednaekim any other solution?
[22:44] <Artimus> nosrednaekim: Yeah, there was just a bunch of updates to KDE4.  I figure I'll delete my .kde4 profile.  I'm running on KDE3 right now.  It's fine, but I haven't found anything really "new" yet.
[22:44] <stefanov> or you can help me how to setup so i can listen to music?
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» run "ps -ax"and look for another apt process
[22:45] <stefanov> if that is easyer
[22:45] <stefanov> mp3 that is
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» yeah.. that might be easier :)
[22:45] <stefanov> ok so pls tutor me
[22:45] <stefanov> xD
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> first you have to fix that lock problem though
[22:45] <stefanov> me?
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix | stefanov run this command
[22:45] <ubotu> stefanov run this command: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[22:47] <stefanov> for both command it said command not found
[22:47] <heath> how do you configure the taskbar in KDE4??
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a              doesn't work?
[22:47] <swatto> Anyone know how to stop kdevelop making backups of my source files?
[22:48] <stefanov> now it does must be my bad
[22:48] <stefanov> ok so what now?
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> !info libxine-ffmpeg (dapper)
[22:48] <ubotu> Package libxine-ffmpeg does not exist in dapper
[22:48] <Artimus> heath: Might want to try #kubuntu-KDE4 for further KDE4 questions.  You really don't.  You can add widgets to it, that's about it.
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> !info libxine1-ffmpeg (dapper)
[22:49] <ubotu> Package libxine1-ffmpeg does not exist in dapper
[22:49] <heath> gotcha
[22:49] <stefanov> ok guys what next do i do?
[22:49] <Y-Town> Can someone tell me how to set vlc as the default dvd player?
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» hrm..... I don't know what the package name was back in dapper.
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» run "apt-cache search ffmpeg" and see what it gives you
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> again, in a terminal
[22:50] <stefanov> like last one
[22:51] <stefanov> it said finished but nothing happen
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> Y-Town» run kcontrol->kde components->file asociations
[22:52] <Daisuke_Ido> it won't say anything if it didn't find anything.
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» run "sudo apt-get update" in a konsole
[22:52] <Y-Town> nosrednaekim: Thanks, I will give it a shot
[22:53] <stefanov> ok last line is Reading package list... Done
[22:53] <stefanov> i gurs this is correct?
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» good, now run "apt-cache search ffmpeg"
[22:54] <stefanov> terminal
[22:54] <stefanov> ?
[22:54] <sd32> what a waste of time.. showing intrest in the gOS distro
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> yes yes... run everything in a terminal
[22:55] <stefanov> nothing :(
[22:55] <stefanov> btw is thre some shortcut to terminal commands?
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» tab should auto complete them
[22:56] <stefanov> tab?
[22:56] <stefanov> anyway , anyother idea?
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» you must be doing something wrong... on my dapper chroot, I have 6 ffmpeg packages
[22:56] <stefanov> just one question
[22:56] <stefanov> what version kubuntu u running?
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» could you open up your /etc/apt/sources.list and pastebin it?
[22:57] <stefanov> ok tell me command how to open
[22:57] <stefanov> ?
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» currently, gutsy, but I havea .... oh never mind.. my bad, thats a hardy sources.list now.
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[22:58] <stefanov> so u want me to paste all sources.list to you?
[22:58] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[22:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:00] <stefanov> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58306/
[23:00] <stefanov> here it is
[23:00] <nosrednaekim> thanks
[23:01] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» ah! run "apt-cache search libxine-extracodecs"
[23:02] <stefanov> again nothing :(
[23:02] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» does "apt-cache search kde" show anything?
[23:03] <stefanov> yeah it open a box
[23:03] <stefanov> but its black
[23:04] <stefanov> and in title it said Finished
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> stefanov» what? where are you running this?
[23:05] <stefanov> terminal
[23:05] <stefanov> like u said
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> um
[23:05] <Daisuke_Ido> stefanov: konsole
[23:06] <stefanov> well it automaticly go terminal
[23:06] <Daisuke_Ido> open konsole
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> run "konsole"
[23:06] <stefanov> u mean right click and run command
[23:06] <stefanov> ?
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> and run suff from there
[23:06] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> no
[23:06] <stefanov> than how to open konsole
[23:06] <stefanov> omg i am realy
[23:06] <stefanov> sorry
[23:06] <stefanov> i am big noob
[23:06] <nosrednaekim> right click, run command, "konsole"
[23:06] <stefanov> ok
[23:06] <stefanov> btw
[23:07] <stefanov> ok
[23:07] <stefanov> now?
[23:08] <rrbox> some1 familiar with VLC and tvtuner card ?
[23:08] <Dorwin6> hi guys , my kubuntu has some problem, when I turned on my computer, it went to desktop then KDE Wallet Service - KDE Daemon hanged, I cant seem to connect my wireless
[23:09] <Dorwin6> anyone have any idea?
[23:09] <stefanov> nosrednaekim ok what now?
[23:10] <swatto> what command can i type in terminal to get network info - like IP address etc?
[23:10] <Dorwin6> swatto : ifconfig
[23:11] <swatto> thanks :)
[23:11] <Dorwin6> you are welcome
[23:13] <Dorwin6> can anyone help me ?
[23:14] <swatto> Dorwin6 try not setting a password on the wallet and see what happens
[23:14] <Dorwin6> swatto : i cant even adjust anything it is freeze
[23:16] <jussi01> rrbox: tvtime works well for me
[23:16] <suwro> hello - I wonder if kubuntu 7.10 is stable - I currently use debian/lenny-sid, it is stable but I Have some problems with amd64/lib32 applications - I own a Dell Inspiron 1501 - I am a developer, i use openLaszlo, php, flash, mysql, etc to make web/intranet applications - I just need something stable for my desktop..
[23:16] <rrbox> jussi01: yeah same here, but on VLC audio doesn't map to the line-in device
[23:17] <StefanoV>  i got in konsole and now when i found a file what is command to download it?
[23:17] <suwro> oh - and I consider KDE4 not ready for desktop - is gutsy comming with kde4 ??
[23:17] <Daisuke_Ido> suwro: if you're not using more than 4gb of ram in your desktop machine, there's zero point in using 64 bit anyway.
[23:18] <Daisuke_Ido> suwro: gutsy's been out for months, and it comes with 3.5.8
[23:18] <suwro> Daisuke_Laptop: I have problems for example with speedtouch driver...
[23:18] <Daisuke_Ido> hardy (the next release in april) will be released in both flavors
[23:18] <Dorwin6> hi jussi01
[23:18] <StefanoV> i got in konsole and now when i found a file what is command to download it?
[23:18] <suwro> if i run kernel on amd64 - can't make brctl to work any more...
[23:19] <Artimus> suwro: Unless KDE4 gets a lot better soon, I'm recommending that most of my friends just stay with KDE3.  I'm running KDE3 in Hardy right now.
[23:19] <Daisuke_Ido> suwro: on a dell inspiron?  are you using the dell-provided cd?  they provide drivers for ALL of their stuff (i use an insprion 1420 myself)
[23:19] <Daisuke_Ido> Artimus: bear in mind that kde3 wasn't all that spectacular when it came out
[23:19] <hydrogen> Artimus: your statement makes no sense
[23:20] <suwro> Daisuke_Laptop: speedtouch is an usb adsl high speed modem - I had that on amd64 (debian) running - but my old hdd crashed.
[23:20] <hydrogen> do you mean that if kde4 will get real better soon you will reccomend it now?
[23:20] <hydrogen> or if it doesn't get better realsoonnow(tm) you will recommend kde3 until the world ends?
[23:20] <suwro> now i run i386 distro
[23:20] <Dorwin6> now KDE control centre hangs
[23:20] <suwro> but I still have problems - because I have amd64 processor - no acpi for me...
[23:20] <Daisuke_Ido> you just said "I currently use debian/lenny-sid, it is stable but I Have some problems with amd64/lib32 applications"
[23:21] <Dragnslcr> Unless you have 4+ GB of memory, there's no good reason to run the amd64 version anyway
[23:21] <Daisuke_Ido> suwro: go to dell's site
[23:21] <Artimus> hydrogen: If KDE  4 isn't better realsoonnow(tm), I will recommend that users I know stay with KDE3 until Intrepid.
[23:21] <Daisuke_Ido> get the iso for gutsy that has their drivers streamlined
[23:21] <StefanoV> Artimus when i do "apt-cache search libxine-extracodecs" and get a list of files,How do i download tham?
[23:21] <Daisuke_Ido> and voila!
[23:21] <suwro> Daisuke_Laptop: yes - If i fire up my amd64 kernel - all devices are seen and working correctly except speedtouch modem...
[23:21] <Daisuke_Ido> OI
[23:21] <Artimus> StefanoV: sudo apt-get install PACKAGE1 PACKAGE2 PACKAGE3
[23:21] <Daisuke_Ido> am i not getting through to you?
[23:21] <suwro> Linux dell 2.6.22-4-486 #1 Tue Feb 12 15:04:28 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:22] <Daisuke_Ido> there's NO reason to use the 64-bit version
[23:22] <Dorwin6> now KDE control centre hangs, does anyone know the command to fix it
[23:22] <StefanoV> artimus i type that in same konsole where i found tham?
[23:22] <hydrogen> Artimus: 4.0.2 will be better realsoonnow
[23:22] <Artimus> StefanoV: Sure
[23:22] <suwro> Daisuke_Laptop: but how about acpi ?
[23:22] <Daisuke_Ido> YES gutsy is stable, and i just told you where to get the iso that will have drivers for most of your releases
[23:22] <hydrogen> it already has a lot of the major things
[23:22] <Daisuke_Ido> works fine for 32-bit
[23:22] <Daisuke_Ido> suspend, hibernate, all fine
[23:23] <suwro> Daisuke_Laptop: ok - thank you - I'll download Gutsy
[23:23] <Daisuke_Ido> -releases +hardware :)
[23:23] <Daisuke_Ido> it's well worth it :D
[23:23] <suwro> Daisuke_Laptop: God bless you man..
[23:23] <suwro> ;)
[23:23] <sebbar> hi, how do I check my network traffic from the command line?
[23:23] <Daisuke_Ido> good luck, stop by any time
[23:23] <Artimus> hydrogen: I'll personally use it.  It's newer linux users I'm concerned about.  They're still rather upset about the whole Flash thing...
[23:23] <Daisuke_Ido> so there's a flash issue with kde4?
[23:24] <hydrogen> not sure what flash has to do with kde4?
[23:24] <hydrogen> at all?
[23:24] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah
[23:24] <Artimus> hydrogen: It doesn't
[23:24] <Daisuke_Ido> that's...
[23:24] <hydrogen> oh
[23:24] <Artimus> "New users freak out when stuff breaks"
[23:24] <hydrogen> okay, I see your logic!
[23:24] <Daisuke_Ido> that is a true statement
[23:24] <hydrogen> if one thing breaks.. then everything will boviously break
[23:24] <Daisuke_Ido> for the most part
[23:24] <hydrogen> and we are much better sticking our heads in the sand
[23:24] <Daisuke_Ido> hydrogen: murphy's law, donchaknow?
[23:25] <Artimus> "If I believe KDE4 is more prone to break for them than KDE3, I will not recommend KDE4 just because it's new and pretty"
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Artimus: the point is that unless people USE kde4, it won't get better
[23:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Artimus: what's prone to break, really?
[23:27] <Artimus> Daisuke_Ido: Last night, Plasma crashed, leaving a totally empty desktop.  Compiz (or is it XGL?) is going to break something.  They *WILL* turn it on and it will crash at least one box.
[23:27] <StefanoV> Artimus after i download all of this what is next step?
[23:27] <Daisuke_Ido> *sigh*
[23:27] <jussi01> Daisuke_Ido: Artimus, please take this to either #kubuntu-kde4 or #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[23:27] <Daisuke_Ido> kde4 has its own compositing, no compiz.
[23:28] <Artimus> StefanoV: I don't know, what are you trying to accomplish?  You asked me how to install them, I answered that.
[23:28] <Daisuke_Ido> sebbar: netstat?
[23:28] <StefanoV> i am instaling some play to listen to music
[23:29] <Artimus> StefanoV: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[23:29] <Daisuke_Ido> Artimus: dapper.
[23:29] <Artimus> StefanoV: Ok, nevermind what I said.
[23:29] <StefanoV> i cant find that package
[23:29] <StefanoV> but i installed allready some other libxine packages
[23:29] <StefanoV> so where can i load tham?
[23:29] <Artimus> StefanoV: I'd have to guess that package was NOT in Dapper.
[23:30] <sebbar> Daisuke_Ido: tnx I solved it. I was sending a 5mb mail through gmail and wanted to check if it was still doing something... now it got sent :)
[23:30] <nosredna_ekim> StefanoV» sorry, did you get it fixed?
[23:30] <Daisuke_Ido> StefanoV: libxine-extracodecs is the package you want in dapper
[23:31] <StefanoV> o<nosrednaekim> stefanov» ah! run "apt-cache search libxine-extracodecs"
[23:31] <StefanoV> i did this
[23:31] <StefanoV> and i downloaded
[23:31] <StefanoV> those 6packages
[23:31] <StefanoV> and now what
[23:31] <StefanoV> ?
[23:31] <nosrednaekim> that didn't download anything...
[23:31] <StefanoV> no no i downloaded tham
[23:31] <Daisuke_Ido> you did sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs ?
[23:31] <StefanoV> i type later
[23:31] <StefanoV> yeah
[23:31] <Daisuke_Ido> okay
[23:31] <nosrednaekim> "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs" will install them
[23:31] <Daisuke_Ido> are you using amarok?
[23:32] <nosrednaekim> StefanoV» ok, then, restart amarok
[23:32] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, a step ahead
[23:32] <StefanoV> sorry for this nubish question but how to do that?
[23:32] <StefanoV> u mean rr computer?
[23:33] <nosrednaekim> StefanoV» right click on the amarok icon in the system tray and say "quit"
[23:33] <nosrednaekim> then run amarok
[23:33] <StefanoV> I dont get any amarok icon
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> ok, then just cloe amarok
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> *cloe
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> *close
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> shees
[23:34] <StefanoV> and that would be done?
[23:34] <nosrednaekim> StefanoV» what?
[23:34] <StefanoV> how to close it?
[23:35] <StefanoV> amarok
[23:35] <nosrednaekim> hit the X button in the upper right corner.
[23:35] <StefanoV> look i am realy noob and new at all this now where to hit this button?
[23:35] <nosrednaekim> StefanoV» do you have an amarok window open?are you running amarok right now?
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> StefanoV: do you have a window that says "amarok" on it?
[23:36] <StefanoV> i think no
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> okay, then open it from the k-menu
[23:36] <StefanoV> i have runing konversation and konqueror
[23:36] <nosrednaekim> BBL
[23:36] <Daisuke_Ido> K Menu > Multimedia (i think?) > Amarok
[23:37] <StefanoV> yeah
[23:37] <StefanoV> ok
[23:37] <StefanoV> i did
[23:37] <StefanoV> and what now?
[23:37] <Daisuke_Ido> try to play an mp3
[23:37] <StefanoV> it wont :(
[23:37] <Daisuke_Ido> error message?
[23:37] <StefanoV> nop
[23:37] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmm
[23:37] <StefanoV> nothing
[23:37] <StefanoV> just like before
[23:38] <StefanoV> i click play and it only stand there like nothing happen
[23:38] <jussi01> Does anyone know where to find images scanned wit kooka?
[23:38] <Daisuke_Ido> did you open a file first?
[23:38] <StefanoV> w8 after i downloaded that 6 codex
[23:38] <StefanoV> libx...
[23:38] <StefanoV> what i do next?
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> is it asking a question or something?
[23:39] <Daisuke_Ido> brb, gotta throw laundry in
[23:40] <StefanoV> no nothing just open a newline
[23:40] <StefanoV> to type new command
[23:40] <StefanoV> well that was
[23:40] <StefanoV> later
[23:40] <StefanoV> and i did
[23:41] <StefanoV> earlier*
[23:41] <StefanoV> i am all lose
[23:41] <jussi01> !enter
[23:41] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[23:41] <StefanoV> sudo apt-get install PACKAGE1 PACKAGE2 PACKAGE3 PACKAGE4 PACKAGE5 PACKAGE6
[23:42] <StefanoV> and than it download , all of it... and dont know , should i do something more after that to install it?
[23:42] <StefanoV> !enter
[23:42] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[23:42] <StefanoV> axa i see :P
[23:46] <stefanov> ok i rr computer
[23:46] <stefanov> but i still cant load mp3
[23:47] <tekteen> !mp3
[23:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:55] <stefanov> what are commands to find codex in dropper?