[00:00] When I do it as you suggested, I receive, "Can't display location 'smb://channel/" No application is registerd as handling this file. [00:01] "The upgrade aborts now. ... Setting up sysklogd ..Running depmod." and lot of other stuff that isn't very "aborts" like [00:01] bug? [00:06] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> jscript should work out of box with ff3 right? [00:07] heh, kde4 was quite nice :) [00:07] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> anyone? [00:15] When I use the IP address to access shares Nautilus finds it [00:15] it can't seem to browse by name though [00:17] Is there still a bug to restore files from the Trash in Nautilus? [00:22] Mark_Milliman, edit your hosts file and put its name/ip in there perhaps. === Sliss__ is now known as Sliss [00:25] is there a ubuntu source for bug 192310 workaround: wget http://debian.mirror.inra.fr/debian/pool/main/h/hyphen/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3-5_all.deb [00:25] Launchpad bug 192310 in hyphen "package openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192310 [00:30] CarlFK, Not sure, I can however verify that the workaround worked for me. [00:30] i guess if there was one, it would be here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/h/hyphen/ [00:31] do-release-upgrade -dChecking for a new ubuntu release [00:31] "No new release found" how do I re-run it? [00:35] ha, it work this time! \o/ [00:37] Seems to be that my SAMBA problem had to do with OpenDNS. I had to change the order in which names are resolved [00:38] i want to send info about which packages i will install, is this still possible in hardy? [00:39] oxigen: If you mean "popularity contest", then yes. It's in the same spot it's always been, IIRC. [00:39] RAOF: yes, do you remember where? [00:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i686 means 32bit or 64bit? [00:46] 32bit [00:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> what should be 64bit? === Mark_Milliman is now known as Mark_M|Away [00:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> amd [00:48] teprrr: AMD64 is for 64 bit [00:48] er, [Hardy]TuTUXG [00:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Flannel, sweet, thanks [00:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Flannel, so if install the 32bit ubuntu on amd64 cpu, will it work? [00:49] [Hardy]TuTUXG: yes [00:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Flannel, and all the stuff, java, flash should work as well? [00:50] [Hardy]TuTUXG: On 32? yeah [00:50] Well, as well as they work anywhere [00:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Flannel, thanks alot never used a amd pc, so dont know [00:51] Can I say right now, right here that I really don't like that new "panning map" TZ selector in Ubiquity? [00:53] AnswerGuy: hear, hear. [00:53] oxigen: System->Preferences->Software Sources->Statistics. [00:53] AnswerGuy: it's very difficult to use if you aren't acclimatized to pointing devices [00:55] twb, I've been using pointing devices for over 20 years! The new widget is a bad UI! [00:55] I bet that is the result of "doesn't fit on 800x600" [00:56] Well, we should revert to the old one which worked fine. [00:56] This one is just a bad idea. (You should *at least* be able to click *anywhere* to zoom in one level) [00:57] Anyway I suppose I have to dig up my old Launchpad account info and find the bug report web pages. [00:59] RAOF: i can't believe this, i dont have Software Sources, i feel so stupid :S [01:00] I've also found a bug in the partman stuff; (using Ubiquity 1.7.14; after starting from a Hardy alpha5 AMD disc and updating the package in my live session) [01:00] (Same bug was in the alpha5 version) === Mark_M|Away is now known as Mark_Milliman [01:31] bluetooth still disconnecting after screen saver activates [01:33] Wow, some things behave VERY badly when the PulseAudio server dies. [01:34] For example, Decibel Audio Player will start eating 100% of both cores of my CPU, as well as eating memory at a moderate (i.e. gives you a chance to kill it if you notice it quickly enough) pace. [01:34] If I had let it go on unchecked, it probably would've eaten ALL of my memory. [01:36] anyone know the story with epiphany webkit? are we going to see it? [01:36] firefox 3 nightlies rock, but i'm curious what webkit is like... an apple guy was telling me how great webkit nightlies are [01:48] anyone with a intel 3945abg card that works in Hardy? [01:48] I'm having problems right now :( [01:50] igorgue: yeah [01:50] igorgue: ignore the fact that it has no light [01:50] got any workaround? [01:50] it just works. [01:50] men, but I was not able to connect [01:51] ignoring the light [01:51] is this wep? [01:51] don't know [01:51] you mean if it has password? [01:52] ahh no [01:52] :P [01:53] sorry, I don't know anything about wireless, actually my networking knowledge is almost 0 [01:53] anyway... [01:53] are you using roaming mode? [01:54] no [01:54] manual(managed) then? [01:55] Hobbsee: are you using Gnome right? [01:56] yes [01:56] what's the difference between ipw3945 and iwl3945? [01:56] one is FLOSS and the other no? [01:56] "To make recovery in case of failure easier a additional sshd will be started on port '9004'. If anything goes wrong with the running ssh you can still connect to the additional one." [01:57] yes [01:57] oh, I get it now [01:57] Hobbsee: so let me try, bbr [01:57] ahh Ubuntu should include ipw3945 too [01:57] :@ [01:57] bbr [01:57] it's probably still in linux-restricted-modules [01:58] but check for bugs, workarounds, etc [01:58] * Hobbsee --> class [02:12] WTF? That time I LET the thing eat memory, and not only did it bring the system grinding to a halt... it also brought basically EVERY SINGLE SERVICE crashing down. [02:12] How is it that something running as NOT root can be allowed to do that? [02:12] I did init 1 and then init 5 to recover, and now ntfs-3g gives me this: fuse: failed to access mountpoint /media/XP: Transport endpoint is not connected [02:15] Oh, and sometimes PulseAudio segfaults on moving a stream. === naught103 is now known as naught101 [02:25] Is there a program that lets you create DVDs with menus and so on? [02:25] "yes" [02:26] there are a few, never really figured out how to make them work [02:29] anyone know of a fix for update-manager problem? [02:30] yes. hold please [02:30] ok [02:32] wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/h/hyphen/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us_2.3.1-1_all.deb [02:32] * DanaG thinks too many people use "dpkg-reconfigure it!" as a miracle fix for all problems. [02:32] In Xorg, I mean. [02:32] sudo dpkg --force-all -i (that file) [02:33] disclaimer, the posted fix uses a file from debian repo. I tried that one, and it seems to work [02:33] DanaG: Surely the proper fix is now "sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf" :P [02:33] "System upgrade is complete." [02:33] that's encourageing [02:33] * DanaG has lots of tweaks in his xorg.conf, and thus won't live with the stock one. [02:33] Thing I didn't know about irssi #32: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is tab-autocompleted. [02:33] RAOF: not if i want wacom ;) [02:33] For example, for touchpad stuff, it must go there. [02:34] pwnguin: Or want nouveau to rock, either. [02:34] indeed [02:35] nvm i fixed it [02:35] * RAOF goes to rebuild the nouveau PPA against the -11 kernels. [02:35] oh thanks carl. i just got the .81 deb and did "sudo dpkg --install --force-downgrade " [02:35] seemed to work [02:36] * DanaG can't live without his 3D WM! [02:37] Compiz *does* rock, yes. [02:38] Argh, why does the following app DEMAND mmap? It means I can't use it with PulseAudio: [02:38] !info japa [02:38] japa (source: japa): JACK and ALSA Perceptual Analyser. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.2.1-3ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 33 kB, installed size 136 kB [02:39] Argh, I want to USE the thing... but nope, doesn't even work with the HW: device of my Audigy! [02:41] *segfault* [02:42] so says PulseAudio, when I try to move a stream away from a virtual device from .asoundrc. [02:47] I'm having trouble getting ndiswrapper to work with the new kernel update, can someone help? [03:00] Is Hardy going to get the artwork refresh that it is supposed to get (like gutsy was supposed to get, etc) [03:03] artwork refresh has, afaik, been pushed to intrepid [03:03] :( [03:03] (which by itself is an okay code name... but why ibex?) [03:03] nooooo [03:03] I'm unable to get ndiswrapper to work still :/ [03:03] It has been getting moved back for too too too long [03:04] i think the reason it got moved is partly because hardy is an LTS release [03:04] better to introduce something like that in the moving-target releases [03:05] I have a bck4328 [03:05] bcm4328* [03:07] jimmygoon: there's a new Human theme based on the Murrine theme engine and a very different wallpaper...no more big swooshy swirls [03:08] macogw, is it on the current alpha 5 or somewhere that I could install it and play with it in Gutsy? [03:09] well, it sure isn't whats in the screenshots on the alpha5 wiki page :/ [03:11] hi, is there an "official" pxelinux.cfg for hardy? [03:11] are there nightly builds? [03:11] i modified the isolinux.cfg and can boot it via pxe too, just want to know if there is one official one [03:14] also how about adding a pxelinux.cfg dir on the iso + the very small pxelinux.0? [03:15] jimmygoon: yes there are nightly builds [03:15] then you could just export the cd and setup the tftp to that dir too [03:15] somewhere [03:15] and you are done [03:15] macogw, I found it.. they are "daily" builds [03:15] (when you already configured your dhcp server) [03:17] i dont think that this would take more than 500 kb [03:17] nobody using pxe boot? [03:19] 1 gbit network boot is way faster than booting from a cd... [03:20] Kano, do you do a pxe boot from the network? [03:21] wow, that was a stupid question [03:21] thats not what I meant [03:21] well of course i do [03:21] I meant do you do the boot from the iso or extract stuff from the iso to prep for the net boot? [03:21] well you need the casper dir [03:23] then you take pxelinux.0 from the syslinux package [03:23] and write a little pxelinux.cfg/default [03:23] you can export it using nfs or smb [03:24] Kano: i do pxe - love it. and you are right [03:24] what do you think about the idea to put the needed files directly in the iso? [03:25] they were there a long time ago [03:25] are you sure they arent now? [03:26] what I do now is wget the installer kernel and initrd.gz, then use apt-cacher as my repo [03:26] i only see an isolinux dir [03:26] well i boot the live images [03:26] pxe ? [03:26] i dont want to install [03:26] sure [03:26] cool [03:27] i fixed the kanotix terminal server and now i test the same with ubuntu [03:27] im about to run out, but would love to see your config - mind posting it? [03:28] you copy isolinux.cfg to pxelinux.cfg/default [03:28] then you add just 2 options [03:28] netboot=nfs nfsroot=ip:/path [03:29] in the dir should be the casper subdir [03:29] well you get an error when you do that, therefore i asked if there is an "official" dir [03:29] but it boots [03:30] guess what you only need to do when the files are on the iso, then you dont have to extract it... [03:30] alt least you could override the nfsroot settings [03:30] I cut/pasted that into my pxelinux.cfg/default - I'll se about geting ti working when I come back [03:31] i am sure it directly boots [03:31] casper and do the same as live-initramfs which i tested first [03:31] live-helper can create directly net images [03:32] what i would like would be live-helper for ubuntu... [03:47] i just ran into my first major hardy problem [03:48] bash-completion is not installed and active [03:48] very bad === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [03:49] meh [03:50] what's live-helper [03:50] "intrepid" sounds too long to me. [03:50] 3 syllables. [03:51] wastrel: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ [03:51] no gui [03:52] i think there is a gui, but i never use that [03:52] Here's something odd with ALSA: I plugged in my USB sound card, and it shows up in /proc/asound/* but not in aplay -l. [03:52] How is that possible? [03:52] i only use lh_config/lh_build [03:52] no, i don't havea gui for web sites [03:52] And my Audigy2 can't do Stereo Mix recording. [03:54] DanaG, isn't all that working thru pulseaudio? [03:54] my amarok works perfectly everytime now in hardy [03:54] With that "japa" thingy, you have to use something mmap'able, so I had to call it on the hw:1 directly. [03:55] !info japa [03:55] ah [03:55] japa (source: japa): JACK and ALSA Perceptual Analyser. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.2.1-3ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 33 kB, installed size 136 kB [03:55] Oh yeah, when you increase the "PCM" volume on the Audigy, all it does is increase the noise level. [03:56] nice ::/ [04:01] so do i need to file a bug for this, getting the wrong kernel in my last upgrade? [04:03] so debian live is like wubi [04:03] no it's bootable media [04:03] ok [04:03] hrm my gnome-panel is b0rked [04:03] ne live-helper is a tool to create custom live cds [04:03] Hmm, I seem to have found a "Noise" slider on my Audigy2. It's labelled "OLD PCM". WTF? [04:04] but not only live cds, also network images, usb sticks... [04:15] lawl [04:18] * DanaG goes and sics some OLD PCM on Creative. [04:18] s/sic/throw/ === OSUKid7` is now known as OSUKid7 [04:55] guys, if you're experiencing either bug 194052 or bug 194719 (or both), please try my ~3 packages at http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/hal/ and report results in comments on one of the bug reports. Thanks! [04:55] Launchpad bug 194052 in hal "hal not reading information about sysfs batteries correctly" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194052 [04:55] Launchpad bug 194719 in hal "01_proc_sys_batteries.patch causes a regression making gnome-power-manager not detect the battery properly" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194719 [04:58] hal? why would i want an evil computer on my machine? [05:01] crimsun_: No amd64 love? :( [05:02] crimsun_: Or, more constructive, _want_ some amd64 love? [05:02] amd64 <3 [05:04] <3 [05:06] RAOF: feel free and add as comment(s) [05:06] I'm hacking this stuff up on a rather paltry Pentium II [05:07] * crimsun_ -> Z [05:07] what is HAL? [05:07] crimsun_: Sleep well :) [05:13] trying to find apps that are lightweight alternatives to the openoffice suite, anyone know of any? [05:14] I have Abiword replacing the writer already [05:20] Sonic1, how about Ajax Write http://us.ajax13.com/en/ajaxwrite/ [05:21] Sonic1: abiword may do some of what you're after. [05:24] ew, web based [05:24] Laptops don't always have access to the internet you know ;) [05:25] Morning everyone [05:29] anybody know anything about the new policykit [05:30] Yes; it's a breed of staffordshire terrier. [05:30] [05:30] so no? [05:30] lsmobrian: I'm sure than many people know what you want to know, and merely await the specification of the particular aspect of policykit that you'd like explained :) [05:31] gotcha, resetting to default policies [05:31] is there an easy way? [05:31] there is a policykit manager gui, isn't there? [05:31] Yes; and particular setting-by-setting reverting to default is easy. [05:32] yeah.. i somehow locked myself out of it.. [05:32] There's a button "revert to default" next to each action. [05:32] everytime i click on something it closes with a segmentation fault [05:32] polkit-gnome-authorization [05:32] run that [05:32] That doesn't sound like you've locked yourself out; that sounds like it's broken. [05:33] thats what i've been running [05:33] also, my System->Preferences is the size of my screen :/ [05:33] As is mine, but that's because I've got about 4 different JVMs installed. [05:33] well i changed a few things. hoping to allow all.. but now its crashes [05:33] i blame java, compiz, and kde4 [05:34] Ewww, kde4. [05:34] i needed kwin and systemsettings [05:34] for seeing if compiz sucks or the infrastructure sucks :P [05:34] lsmobrian: So, firstly, there's probably a bug report somewhere in here. [05:34] compiz kills my video card; kde4 is no problem [05:35] If all you did is fiddle around with the gui, it shouldn't suddenly start segfaulting. [05:35] define 'fiddle' [05:36] hwilde: As long as you don't leave the gui, anything whatseover. [05:36] im on my mac right now, so i couldnt tell you the exact keys i changed... but i think it was system configuration [05:36] hwilde: I don't believe you [05:36] hwilde: What video card? [05:37] wow, splashy kills booting [05:37] Awesome! [05:37] pretty neat thing for a bootsplash to do [05:37] you dont believe me what? i didn't say anything [05:37] ohhh right [05:37] grub2 *doesn't* kill booting for me, which I was somewhat surprised about. [05:37] I've got an nvidia 8600 gts [05:37] I think it's actually metacity that kills it [05:37] if I startx with no window manager it's fine [05:38] hwilde: Oh, I believe you, you're using kwin with XRender compositing then [05:38] if I run icewm it's fine [05:38] if I run kubuntu it's fine [05:38] oh, then you're not using any compositing [05:38] so compositing is broken, awesome [05:38] but in default xsession with metacity, if I grab a window and drag it around real fast, I can see the cpu spike and hten it locks up [05:38] I swear if I ever meet someone from nvidia... [05:38] Amaranth: What? 8600's don't have sufficient support to compi? [05:38] but I can play full screen games with 3d graphics for hours [05:38] if I boot up and go right into the game [05:39] but if I exit and like try to check webmail or open a window, it will lock up [05:39] if I open a pdf and it goes full screen it really locks up hard [05:39] but in icewm it is stable for days [05:39] I keep waiting for an update that will magically fix it [05:39] hwilde: sucks to be you, i guess [05:39] * RAOF files this little anecdote away for the next time someone says "but the nvidia driver is really good, it doesn't matter that it's a binary blob" [05:39] nah the gui is overrated anywyas [05:39] hwilde: that update would be called 'nouveau' [05:40] Mmm, seriously fast 2d. But not for you. [05:41] Well, not yet. [05:42] RAOF: I'm hoping by the end of the year I can tell people "only install the nvidia driver if you need power saving" [05:42] and 3 months later i can just stop telling them to install it [05:43] Amaranth: This seems unlikely, at least in general. *I*'m certainly hoping to not tougch the blob by the end of the year, but I suspect cards outside the nv4x sweetspot might not be so lucky. [05:43] Maybe I'm wrong, and if so, that'd be awesome. [05:44] RAOF: Well it sounds like a 3D driver for NV3x doesn't sound so hard [05:44] RAOF: older than that and I honestly stop caring so much [05:44] Just need that NV5x [05:45] Yeah, certainly. And nv5x sounds hard, especially since 2d isn't particularly stable at this point for those guys. [05:45] That isn't much different from the blob though [05:45] Oh, really? Surely the blob supports nv50 reasonably well? [05:45] The sweet spot for people using the blob is something old enough to have gotten lots of driver work but new enough to not get marked obsolete in 3 months [05:45] That means NV4x [05:46] So...splashy bad [05:47] Nouveau good :) [05:47] heh [05:47] i wonder how hard it is to put usplash in debian and create a theme [05:47] * DanaG wonders how ATI will be by June. [05:48] DanaG: why june? [05:48] Because that's when I'll be shopping for a new laptop. [05:48] Pondering an HD2600, or if possible, a 3600 series. [05:49] yeah, um [05:49] Why does git suck so hard? I've cloned nouveau's gallium git repository, and checked out the branch. Now, I want to update this checkout. Why doesn't "git pull" do this? [05:49] GAH. [05:49] you'd better hope fglrx gets really good by then [05:50] RAOF: the magic flag is --track [05:50] Oh, really? [05:50] Awesome. [05:50] At what point? [05:50] hell if i know [05:50] git pull --track? [05:50] saw a nouveau guy say it [05:50] i think so [05:50] he was talking about this same thing though :P [05:50] I just want it to be not-significantly-worse than NVIDIA. I don't actually care if the performance is amazing, but I do want it to not do that damn BLINKING (... though I actually haven't had that issue in a while). [05:51] DanaG: Whereas it's re-appeared for me with a vengeance today. Complete with no-screen-updates between blinks. [05:51] I just want to be sure I won't regret it if I get ATI. [05:52] And by "regret it", I mean, for at least a year and a half. [05:52] DanaG: If you're getting a laptop the answer is obviously X3100 [05:52] Let me rephrase that: I don't want to find myself hating it every second I use it. If I got IGP, I definitely would hate it -- can't do HL2 at nice resolutions. [05:53] It's not a bad performer now and apparently the gallium driver for it makes the current driver look really slow [05:53] I don't want anything weaker than my Go 7600. [05:53] Having the specs suggest that the support will generally get better over time for the ATI card. [05:53] I am happy with nvidia 8600 [05:53] dual monitor, 3d support, 1600x1050 widescreen [05:53] hwilde: Apart from the fact that it locks your box :P [05:53] yeah aside from metacity locking up but I blame the software [05:53] Right, so if you can get a laptop with an rs670 you're set [05:53] I can play full screen games for hours so I do not think it is the card or the driver [05:53] Because that's the mobile chip that combines r600 2d with r500 3d or some such thing [05:53] HP 8510p is the one I'm thinking of. [05:54] HD2600, currently. [05:54] either way they know how to drive it, 2d and 3d [05:54] DanaG: right, with an HD2600 you'll get probably zero power management and mostly non-accelerated 2d [05:54] DanaG: in 12-18 months you might get mostly stable 3d [05:55] Are you speaking of the open-source or the closed-source? It doesn't really matter too much to me. [05:55] open source [05:55] as for closed source, well [05:55] random aside: /me wonders what 1920x1200 at 15.4" looks like. [05:55] they're doing alright now but they don't have a good track record [05:55] ...... [05:55] it looks like that, those were whole words [05:56] zoom in, you'll see it [05:56] My current LCD is 1440x900 at 17", for 100DPI. [05:57] Mine is 1650x1040 at 15.4", for 130DPI. [05:57] i've got 1440x900 with 17" [05:57] I haven't actually seen how windows handles that DPI, but Gnome likes it. [05:57] DanaG: you said you had an HP laptop with a 17" screen and a Go 7600? [05:58] No, current is Gateway M685. [05:58] gnome doesnt like it either [05:58] the fonts loook huge [05:58] ah [05:58] Assid: make sure your DPI settings are right. [05:58] M685 is also known as NX860 series. [05:58] increasing the dpi ends up with more fonts [05:58] Actually if your DPI is set right the fonts should look huge [05:58] err.. bigger fonts [05:58] http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html [05:58] the problem is fonts are resolution independent, everything else isn't [05:58] That could be a factoid for !dpi [05:59] With the note to check that Xorg gets it right. [05:59] i forget how to show what X thinks my DPI is [05:59] also after the laste few updates [05:59] dmesg | grep -i dpi [06:00] er [06:00] err, no [06:00] grep -i dpi /var/log/Xorg.0.log [06:00] my fonts are darker in alot of places.. and much thinner in the others [06:00] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (88, 91); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [06:00] fail [06:00] Now, my dad's plasma TV: 1024x768 stretched to 42 inches widescreen.... that's rectangular pixels. If it were square, it'd be 30 DPI. [06:00] you know the gdm login ? see the username there.. its huge [06:00] Assid: yay intel [06:01] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (87, 91); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [06:01] Hmm, I like the heavy text at the login screen. How did it get that way? [06:01] Hm. They fixed nouveau's gallium build on amd64. Cool. Now to fight with the build to try for a 32bit version. [06:01] Assid: oh, nvidia, wow [06:01] Amaranth: it just started in the last few days [06:01] Assid: Ok, either way, this goes away in hardy+1 [06:01] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (98, 99); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [06:01] Yay for good EDID! [06:01] Amaranth: what goes away [06:01] the font being dark ? [06:01] gdm in hardy+1 will use gnome-settings-daemon so it'll set fonts to 92DPI no matter what [06:01] no, the fonts being huge at login [06:02] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (129, 133); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [06:02] (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (129, 133); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config [06:02] Amaranth: it just started.. it used to be dine upto before [06:02] the default on your desktop is DPI of 92 too [06:02] It should use the REAL dpi value, I'd think. [06:02] Now that's going to be annoyingly small :) [06:02] http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9742/README/appendix-d.html -- note the ConstantDPI option! [06:02] DanaG: the real DPI is hard to calculate [06:02] as we've just shown [06:02] Amaranth: i dont know.. but the fonts are horrible [06:02] most hardware gets it wrong [06:03] "By default on X.Org 6.9 or newer X servers, the NVIDIA X driver recomputes the size in millimeters of the X screen whenever the size in pixels of the X screen is changed using XRandR, such that the DPI remains constant." [06:03] also, 100 DPI fonts look like crap [06:03] * Assid doesnt know what to do [06:03] I use 99 in gnome. [06:03] Assid: *shrug* [06:03] wow, the difference between 99 and 100 is huge [06:03]