[04:45] <troy_s> kwwii: I was looking at the supported Nikons on the dcraw site.  It supports every DSLR up to the D3.  It makes me wonder why your weren't able to decode the NEFs.
[04:45] <troy_s> kwwii: The ONLY camera I can see on there that isn't yet supported (but probably is as the NEF won't change) is the D60.
[04:46] <troy_s> kwwii: Anyways, if you can't get it sorted let me know.
[08:58] <kwwii> good morning all
[08:59] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, I have/had a fuji (almost sold now)
[08:59] <kwwii> troy_s: and yes, I need to tweak the wallpaper and work on gdm ;-)
[08:59]  * kwwii answers emails, etc
[09:04] <kwwii> hehe, checking the site, even the s5 is supported now
[10:03] <xhaker> kwwii: good morning
[10:03] <kwwii> moin xhaker
[10:03] <xhaker> kwwii: can you give me a link to the current plans for hardy theme?
[10:04] <xhaker> i've talked with seb128 about a bug in the theme, and managed to hunt it down and patch ubuntulooks
[10:04] <xhaker> the previous theme nowI presume
[10:06] <xhaker> it has to do with inconsistent radio buttons. at first i thought that it was a bug somewhere else, but it proved to be the theme
[10:06] <kwwii> xhaker: for now we are planning on using murrine or clear looks as default but I think that we will still ship an ubuntulooks theme
[10:07] <xhaker> kwwii: well, i wonder what would ubuntulooks be if i merged it with current clearlooks
[10:07] <xhaker> kwwii: http://leetcorp.net/theme-radio-easy-fix.png
[10:07] <kwwii> xhaker: I think that the code is really different in the meantime
[10:08] <kwwii> xhaker: one thing we are interested in looking into is keeping the look of the ubuntulooks scrollbars
[10:08] <kwwii> but I am not sure how close the code is...if one could just cut that out of ubuntulooks and paste it into clearlooks
[10:09] <xhaker> kwwii: it would be cool to know when did clearlooks get forked for ubuntulooks
[10:09] <xhaker> that'd help
[10:09] <kwwii> xhaker: I am writing an email as we speak on the notes I took from a meeting last week on this stuff
[10:09] <xhaker> for now I fixed the radio buttons, inconsistent = glow, no bullet
[10:10] <xhaker> thanks, i'll let you type
[10:14] <kwwii> not sure what you mean
[10:33] <xhaker> kwwii: about the radio buttons?
[10:34] <kwwii> xhaker: yes, do you have a screenshot to explain?
[10:34] <xhaker> I've pasted the url before
[10:34] <xhaker> http://release.debian.org/
[10:34] <xhaker> ups
[10:34] <kwwii> lol
[10:34] <xhaker> http://leetcorp.net/theme-radio-easy-fix.png
[10:35] <xhaker> see how all the radio buttons are glowing but have no bullet indicating which is selected
[10:35] <xhaker> they're in a state called inconsistent
[10:35] <xhaker> none is selected
[10:35] <xhaker> that is with my patched ubuntulooks
[10:35] <kwwii> so this makes them orange filled, if I see it correctly
[10:36] <xhaker> the one in the repositories makes them all *appear* selected
[10:36] <xhaker> kwwii: in the code the orange fill is called glow
[10:36] <kwwii> gotcha
[10:37] <kwwii> I guess a change like this needs to be discussed...I'll ask a couple of people and get back to you, ok?
[10:37] <xhaker> kwwii: i've talked with seb128, it is a known bug
[10:37] <kwwii> email address?
[10:38] <xhaker> he just told me he'd prefer the clearlooks style for inconsistent radio
[10:38] <kwwii> or send me one at kwwii at ubuntu dot com
[10:38] <xhaker> xhaker at gmail.com
[10:39] <xhaker> that's why i will probably try to merge clearlooks back to ubuntulooks
[10:40] <kwwii> that would be pretty cool if you can make it work well
[10:41] <kwwii> there are quite a few things from ubuntulooks that we would like to keep
[10:44] <xhaker> kwwii: are they enumerated in the email?
[10:46] <kwwii> yes..it'll probably need more explanation, but it is a a start
[10:47] <xhaker> and now i would love to know the fork version
[10:48] <xhaker> have to try to find it. doesn't seem to exist a correlation with the ubuntulooks version number
[10:48] <kwwii> hrm?
[10:50] <xhaker> my question: ubuntulooks is based on which version of clearlooks?
[10:50] <kwwii> I've no idea :-)
[10:50] <kwwii> it was from shortly before dapper
[10:51] <xhaker> right. i was saying the ubuntulooks version is 0.9, and clearlooks didn't have that version number ever
[10:51] <xhaker> :d
[10:51] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:52] <xhaker> haha.. lookin into murrine
[10:53] <xhaker> a comment inside radiobuttons draw routine ./* inconsistent state is missing? */
[10:54] <xhaker> i have a class now. will be back later
[10:56] <kwwii> see you soon
[12:09] <troy_s> _MMA_: New NIN album.  CC licensed and FLAC.
[12:09] <_MMA_> troy_s: Holy shit really?
[12:09] <_MMA_> Link?
[12:10] <troy_s> _MMA_: ghosts.nin.com
[12:10] <troy_s> _MMA_: Still getting hammered.
[12:10]  * _MMA_ goes now.
[12:10] <troy_s> _MMA_: Free download, 5 bucks gets you FLAC or AAC (shit)
[12:10] <troy_s> _MMA_: 10 gets you the cds plus immediate download.  Etc.
[12:10] <_MMA_> Awesome to see Trent (or someone near him) knows a little something. :)
[12:11] <_MMA_> I think Ill order the CD.
[12:12] <troy_s> _MMA_: It's all Trent judging from the last two interviews I have read.
[12:12] <_MMA_> Nice.
[12:12] <troy_s> _MMA_: He was choked at the quality of the Radiohead album.
[12:13] <troy_s> _MMA_:  So he wanted to offer a better version (360(?) on the MP3 and FLAC for paid.)
[12:13] <_MMA_> I might get the Deluxe Edition. Kinda a historic collectors thing IMO.
[12:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yep.  Toying with that too.
[12:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: The 300 dollar one might be helluva historic.
[12:13] <_MMA_> $30? Thats really an awesome deal.
[12:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: Not to mention that the bundle is pretty amazing.  Hell... Vinyl!
[12:13] <_MMA_> yep
[12:14] <troy_s> _MMA_: It goes back to my idea of making the bloody stuff worth buying again.  Pump the money into art direction etc... Nice to see that he has done it this way.  I suspect it will be a large smashing hit.
[12:14] <troy_s> _MMA_: Site was _CLOBBERED_ last night.
[12:14] <_MMA_> hehe
[12:15] <_MMA_> Yeah. Im buying this now. Thanx for the heads up.
[12:15] <troy_s> hrm... they moved the 'Free' over to the right side...
[12:15] <troy_s> _MMA_: I tried to find you last night.  Rather bombshell.
[12:15] <troy_s> _MMA_: No pre-announcement or anything.  Just poof -- instant site and huge news.
[12:16] <troy_s> _MMA_: Oh and look -- LAME encoded.  Rather interesting.
[12:17] <troy_s> (if you bother with the mp3 rubbish.)
[12:18] <_MMA_> Must correct the s/$30/$300 for people watching. Damn I cant type. :P
[12:19] <troy_s> lol
[12:20] <_MMA_> troy_s: Yeah. Looks like he knows what to use. What the preferred encoders are.
[12:20] <troy_s> _MMA_: 300 gets you everything -- it is an incremental setup.
[12:20] <troy_s> _MMA_: Site is still getting hammered.  Good to see.
[12:20] <_MMA_> $1000 Gets you the Pro-Tools session. :P
[12:20] <_MMA_> (kidding)
[12:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: Look at the 300 dollar version ;)
[12:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: You get the source WAVs
[12:21] <_MMA_> hahahahhahaha
[12:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: Trent is _on_.
[12:22] <_MMA_> Killer. Yeah. I gotta seriously consider this. Gotta convince the wife. :P
[12:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: multi-track sessions in wav format.
[12:22] <troy_s> LOL
[12:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: If you had a paypal link on a blog... lol.
[12:35] <andreasn> troy_s: did you manage to order?
[12:35] <troy_s> andreasn: Nope... tried three times thus far.
[12:36] <troy_s> andreasn: And that limited version I am wanting to buy is probably gone now.
[12:36] <andreasn> :(
[12:36] <andreasn> I just getting the regular 10 usd version, so I'll wait a day or two till the servers have settled down a bit
[12:37] <troy_s> andreasn: Incremental.  You get immediate FLAC download.
[12:37]  * _MMA_ wants the Ultra but will have to settle for Deluxe.
[12:37] <troy_s> andreasn: _and_ the disks.
[12:37] <troy_s> _MMA_: 300 for the three books, vinyl, disc, etc. is quite a steal really.
[12:38] <_MMA_> Totally. Just gotta convince the wife of that. :P
[12:39] <troy_s> to be totally honest... this could easily sell enough albums to make Trent a distributor (not that he isn't close already)
[12:40] <_MMA_> :P
[13:56] <Cimi> is this real? http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/03/02/two-new-themes-arrive-in-ubuntu-804/
[13:57] <Cimi> quite ugly, I have a lot of better colorschemes
[13:57] <kwwii> Cimi: yes it is true
[13:58] <kwwii> and the gtkrc included is very crude and in now way finished
[13:58] <kwwii> Cimi: in any case, we need to stick with typical ubuntu colors as seen in the Ubuntulooks stuff
[13:59] <Cimi> kwwii, but in that way people will think clearlooks and murrine are ugly too
[14:02] <Cimi> kwwii, I have a lot of better *orange/brown* colorschemes
[14:03] <kwwii> Cimi: yeah, I am not saying it has to be 100% the same but it should look visually equal
[14:04] <andreasn> is it the same metacity theme as before?
[14:05] <Cimi> kwwii, I see no reason to ship such ugly themes
[14:05] <kwwii> Cimi: nobody is saying we will ship the themes as they are
[14:05] <Cimi> at least ship two new themes when you'll have something good
[14:05] <Cimi> ok
[14:05] <kwwii> the idea is to have something to work on
[14:06] <kwwii> so that we can move forward, if only slowly at first
[14:06] <Cimi> bah, I can make a theme in 2 minutes... it's not the problem
[14:12] <kwwii> the problem is making you do what I want :p
[14:12] <kwwii> lol
[14:12]  * kwwii has to run to the store, be back in a bit
[14:15] <Cimi> 1: http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/901/schermataev0.png
[14:15] <Cimi> 1: http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5237/schermata1wo1.png
[14:16] <Cimi> quick try
[14:16] <Cimi> andreasn, impressions?
[14:16] <andreasn> is that the active window?
[14:17] <andreasn> I want the inactive window to look like that!
[14:17] <Cimi> these are two themes I made when I said
 bah, I can make a theme in 2 minutes... it's not the problem
[14:18] <andreasn> :)
[14:18] <andreasn> the flat-thingy you blogged about a couple of weeks ago was pretty nice
[14:18] <andreasn> seems gilouche enabled that by default
[14:22] <andreasn> I like the color of the metacity theme in the murrine screenshot, that looks pretty coo
[14:22] <andreasn> l
[14:22] <andreasn> anyway, I better get back to work
[15:33] <Cimi> kwwii, ?
[16:10] <vallhalla81> hello all
[18:27] <xhaker> Cimi: murrine lacks inconsistent radio buttons :) you have a comment near the drawing code about it. but you better do something about it.. or i'll do!
[18:27] <xhaker> hehe
[18:31] <xhaker> kwwii: where is that email? did you send it to a list or me directly?
[18:32] <xhaker> ubuntu-art. ok. will check it soon
[23:35] <Cimi> kwwii, updates?