[00:28] Heya gang [00:53] Howdie bddebian. [00:54] Hi RAOF [00:59] anybody know off-hand a where native packages are talked about it Debian Policy or DDR? === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [03:08] j #ubuntu-offtopic [03:08] sorry [03:34] any MC'ers online? I'm wondering what's the situation with Kmos and Launchpad? [03:35] He recently added activity to bug 190028 and further filed duplicate bug report 197785 with non-useful information [03:35] Launchpad bug 190028 in deluge-torrent "deluge crashed with SIGSEGV in libtorrent::piece_manager::export_piece_map()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190028 [03:35] soren: you're MC right? ^^ [03:42] jdong: what's up? [03:49] nixternal: I was wonder whether the MC has revised its decision about Marco Rodrigues posting to Launchpad... He has generated about 25% of my bugmail over the past two days [03:51] tell me, is he marking stuff as 'Fix Released' and stuff or just commenting? [03:51] ie. deluge [03:51] nixternal: well.. he made a comment on a bug that he filed that it's still not fixed in Hardy, which I have absolutely no problem with, but... [03:52] nixternal: he also for some reason filed a new bug against Deluge with the same information and marked it duplicate of his original bug [03:52] wth [03:52] nixternal: and to make matters worse apport retraced his new bug which resulted in like 4 more bugmails [03:53] this dude is getting on my last damn nerve [03:53] yeah, I mean... it wouldn't hurt if he thought a step ahead before clicking on buttons that generate bugmail [03:54] it is LaserJock's fault [03:54] anybody know off-hand of a package using CDBS that has a get-orig-source ? [03:54] lol [03:55] nixternal: isn't everything? [03:55] ipod convenience :) [03:55] superm1: answer LaserJock, you are the get-orig-source mastah [03:55] hahah told ya! [03:55] although gmyth's is prettier [03:55] I was going to say, anything with 'mythbuntu' in the name :p [03:55] or anything touched by superm1 [03:56] yeah most of the stuff i do in cdbs has it [03:58] superm1: excellent, thanks [03:59] no prob. [03:59] nixternal, when you had your server setup with sbuild, did you have it set so you could dput thing there and sbuild would take over [03:59] and send you an email when done? [04:01] superm1: 2nd question. How do I use it? :-) [04:01] I tried make -f debian/rules get-orig-source [04:02] LaserJock, from the root of the directory, you run debian/rules get-orig-source [04:02] just like that [04:02] hmm [04:02] I get: make: Nothing to be done for `get-orig-source'. [04:02] dont use make [04:02] ah [04:03] still no help [04:03] the rule isn't working? [04:03] or what's happening? [04:03] I would think it *should* do something [04:03] it does [04:03] it branches bzr [04:03] and tar's it up [04:04] you have cdbs installed locally and bzr right? [04:04] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5220/ [04:04] that's my debian/rules ^^ [04:05] i'd guess it can't switch to DEBIAN_DIR [04:05] for some reason [04:05] you sure you have that DEBIAN_DIR defined right? [04:06] it's near the top of rules [04:06] right, but where is MAKEFILE_LIST [04:06] coming from? [04:06] heck if I know [04:06] i'd say nuke cd ${DEBIAN_DIR}/.. && \ [04:06] if you run the rule from the root of the directory that's not necessary [04:07] I'm just using the stuff from PackagingGuide/Basic#CommonMistakes [04:07] well comment out DEBIAN_DIR and try that [04:07] you need to debug which part of the rule is failing [04:07] and that's the best way to start [04:07] LaserJock: make sure that you are using tabs under the get-orig-source rule and not spaces. [04:08] LaserJock: You probably want to add get-orig-source to .PHONY, too. [04:08] Otherwise make will think that it should generate a file called get-orig-source :) [04:09] RAOF: there is no .PHONY [04:09] whatever makes it happy (ha ha ha ok no more puns tonight) [04:09] There probably should be (but I don't _think_ it's mandatory) [04:09] my assumption was that cdbs was doing .PHONY [04:09] i've never had to do one for cdbs [04:11] hmm, it's almost right [04:11] it just dumps the .org.tar.gz one dir down [04:12] Is there anything inherently special about jeos that I wouldn't get from, say, debootstrapping? [04:12] bah [04:13] I think the major problem was just what protonchris said, I had spaces instead of tabs [04:13] because I copy-n-pasted from the wiki page [04:13] Yeah, that got me before. [04:14] LaserJock: you should use a real text editor such as vim, which highlights things in annoying red when it thinks it's not correct :) [04:14] I usually do use vim [04:15] but use nano a lot as well for small stuff [04:15] i use geany, which puts dots where there are spaces and arrows where there are tabs [04:16] I use emacs, which makes me wait long enough that I realize I used tabs instead of spaces [04:16] haha [04:42] jdong: My experience with kmos is there's no point in just chatting about him. I'd suggest sending mail to the MC mail list with complaints. === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [05:55] * StevenK sniffs. Debian bug 469039 [05:55] Debian bug 469039 in ftp.debian.org "RM: linda -- RoM; deprecated" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/469039 === lando_ is now known as lando [06:10] StevenK: Awwww! === HighN1 is now known as HighNo [06:45] Good morning === doko_ is now known as doko === cprov is now known as cprov-afk === \sh_away is now known as \sh === juliank0 is now known as juliank === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:30] Hey === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === asac__ is now known as asac [11:52] nixternal: so, shoot him. === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === asac_ is now known as asac [12:24] " any repository with apache tomcat 6 on ubuntu it is version 5" [12:25] Skiessi: on Ubuntu it is 5 and 5.5 [12:25] I know [12:30] <\sh> For me, tomcat6 with a eclipse jdt is very difficult to maintain somehow...regarding duplication of sources in ubuntu/debian [12:30] <\sh> but I'm not a java expert on this...and how we get eclipse jdt + tomcat6 in sync [12:35] Is anyone using ftp via nautilus here using the latest gvfs in hardy? [12:38] you just have to put some ftp server as the path or is some package required? [12:40] I can't connect to ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/ as anonymous [12:40] Skiessi: I tried that. First it asks for username/password and when I provide information it gives error - "invalid reply, try some other viewer" [12:40] same [12:41] I don't know about Hardy's schelude, but is there some restriction on updating packages now? There's been only a few updates lately... [12:42] Skiessi: Yes, we are in feature freeze now [12:44] security updates can be done? [12:47] Skiessi: of course [13:12] Hello RainCT. Do you have two minutes for a /query? [13:13] is there a way to check if there are applications installed that depend on *-dev packages [13:13] because [13:13] when i try to run [13:13] sudo apt-get remove $(dpkg -l '*-dev' | awk '{print $2}' | sed -n '6,${p}')\ [13:13] it wil remove almost my compleet isnstallation [13:18] TuxCrafter: Why do you want to remove -dev packages? [13:18] slytherin: to clean up my system and remove unwanted applications [13:19] slytherin: i think i found the problem [13:19] xutils [13:25] slytherin: sudo apt-get remove $(dpkg -l '*-dev' | awk '{print $2}' | sed -n '6,${p}' | sed /xutils-dev/d) [13:26] so going to reboot [13:35] sudo apt-get remove xutils-dev [13:36] that command removes my compleet xserver system [13:36] Hey Iulian. Sorry, didn't see your message... Sure :) === asac_ is now known as asac [13:40] xutils depends on xutils-dev [13:40] why is tht [13:40] that === _czessi is now known as Czessi === asac_ is now known as asac [14:22] <\sh> ScottK: when I knew which wine version will work in the future before hardy release, I would be happy [14:22] <\sh> ScottK: but thanks for your whitelist ack :) [14:22] \sh: Sure. I'm just happy to have you and YokoZar figure it out and not have to be bothered with FFe paperwork. Maybe someone else on motu-release will agree. [14:24] <\sh> ScottK: well, the only thing I know, there is something strange happening with the compiler...as Yokozar said, his gutsy version was build with an old gcc...(wine + gcc 4.1. on hardy FTBFS as well) [14:25] ScottK: and finally added a comment to LP bug? ^^ [14:26] \sh: There's always 4.2 and 3.4 you can try. [14:26] hellboy195: Which bug? [14:26] ScottK: PPA [14:27] how can I add my ppa repo to my pbuilder? [14:27] hellboy195: Ah. Thanks. [14:27] ScottK: for? [14:27] DarkSun88: log in into pbuilder and edit /etc/apt/sources.list [14:27] hoi DarkSun88 [14:28] hellboy195: I thought you were saying you'd commented on the PPA bug. [14:28] Hi hellboy195 [14:28] DarkSun88: would you mind looking at something. just a sec [14:28] <\sh> ScottK: 3.4 is another shot...but 4.2.3 doesn't work...(rebuild it today) [14:28] hellboy195: Not now. Sorry. [14:28] <\sh> that reminds me to file a FFe for claws-mail [14:29] ScottK: no ^^ but yesterday you were keen to add a comment. a *bad* comment [14:29] <\sh> which I forgot over the weekend :( [14:29] hellboy195: Right. I managed to avoid the temptation IIRC. [14:29] ScottK: good boy :) [14:29] \sh: If 3.3.1 is just bug fixes, no FFe needed. [14:29] <\sh> ScottK: new features added...(at least some small ones) [14:29] K [14:30] <\sh> ScottK: I'll have to follow up still on the extra-plugins... [14:30] OK. [14:35] hmm I log, add the repo but it doesn't get saved [14:40] * ScottK hands DaveMorris --save-after-login [14:40] it might also be getting over ridden I think since I use DIST=blah [14:42] but that did it, thanks [14:42] No problem. [14:52] <\sh> ScottK: gcc 3.4 ftbfs too :) [14:53] Yum [14:53] gcc-snapshot? [14:54] <\sh> ScottK: you gcc 4.3? this will be worse [14:54] <\sh> ScottK: actually it needs to be compiled with our official toolchain of hardy... [14:55] \sh: Was kidding. I agree with you. [14:57] heya [15:27] Heya gang [15:38] Hi bddebian [15:42] Heya geser [15:42] hi people :P [15:43] Hi emgent [15:50] <\sh> ok..send a google adsense violation notice hopefully he will be stopped in the near future (it's the linuxindex issue) === asac__ is now known as asac === asac_ is now known as asac [16:47] <\sh> another two bugs fixed in lighty [16:48] \sh, ARGH [16:48] hard work in lighty ehehe [16:48] <\sh> emgent: naaa..no security stuff [16:48] oh lol :P [16:49] <\sh> emgent: 1. index.html now points to launchpad and ubuntu (lp: #115565) and lighty had a problem with pdf files...where you have to add a accept ranges parameter...(http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/ticket/541 and patch: http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/changeset/2090) [16:50] <\sh> oh well... [16:50] argh [16:50] <\sh> s/who/which/ in changelog [16:51] <\sh> damn non native speakers like me ,) [16:51] me too :P [16:51] i talk Engrish! [16:51] <\sh> emgent: thx to my buddy here at work who pointed me to this problem :) [16:51] s/talk/speak/ [16:53] <\sh> emgent: here it's Denglan ;) [16:53] :) [17:07] pochu: thx for looking at my stuff and sorry for the incorrect changelog entry [17:11] <\sh> now THIS FCKS ME UP [17:12] <\sh> the problem is really running wine from sourcedir works...running from another directory doesn't work [17:13] <\sh> oh much better [17:13] <\sh> source compiling wine on my amd64 works...but not via sbuild/buildd [17:17] <\sh> well...working on it tomorrow somehow [17:17] * \sh goes for dinner === \sh is now known as \sh_away [17:18] The binary for a game should go to /usr/games and not to /usr/bin right? [17:18] hellboy195: yes [17:22] RainCT: k, thx :) === asac_ is now known as asac [17:56] siretart: ping [18:12] zul: hi! (need to leave in ~5mins, though) [18:14] siretart: hey you are the maintainer for boxbackup in debian but it depends on libddb4.3 and we want to move it to libdb4.6 is that ok with you? [18:14] it builds with ok [18:16] zul: there is even a bugreport in debian open about this. [18:17] ah didnt think to look [18:17] zul: fixed in experimental [18:17] zul: but the changes are too big there, and I for this bug, just flipping the build depends was the right thing to do [18:17] so yes, go ahead! [18:17] ok ill upload what I have here [18:18] thanks! [18:18] hi siretart. I hope all is well with you. [18:18] hey james_w! thanks for asking! how are you? [18:19] siretart: great thanks. It's the bzr sprint this week, shame you can't be there. [18:20] james_w: yes, I'd love to [18:20] damn, gotta leave. perhaps I can catch you later here? [18:20] are you busy with work currently? [18:20] siretart: I'll be here for a while. [18:20] ok, I'll try to be back after dinner [18:21] cu later! [18:22] siretart: bye [18:25] Anyone here who can answer a newbie developer question? [18:25] RadlyEel: just ask, if someone can answer they probably will. [18:25] RadlyEel: if it's a packaging question, just ask; else, you're on the wrong channel === x-spec-t is now known as Spec [18:26] The PackagingGuide *seems* to have an error in it, but I can't be sure since it's my first time through. [18:26] what is it? [18:27] In the esample changelog, the command is "ls ../../ubuntu/hello-debhelper-2.1.1/debian/changelog" [18:28] RadlyEel: URL please? [18:28] I'd feel a LOT better if the hello-debhelper-2.1.1 node was hello-debhelper-2.2 instead. [18:28] Navigating to it now. Just a sec. [18:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete [18:29] Look for the line that says "Now look at the changlog..." [18:30] RadlyEel: it says "less", not "ls" :) [18:30] Right. Sorrry. I was using ls to see why less couldn't read the file. [18:30] ah [18:31] RadlyEel: in which directory are you? [18:31] I don't understand why it should be -2.2? [18:31] maybe I'm not looking at the right section [18:31] hello-debhelper-2.1.1/debian [18:31] I see downloading and debianizing version 2.1.1. ,no reference to 2.2 [18:32] Let me find the sequence that got me here. Just a sec [18:33] There are two commands: "cd hello-debhelper-2.1.1", followed by "dh_make -e ..." That leaves you in the hello-debhelper-2.1.1 directory [18:34] RadlyEel: there is a "cd debian" somewhat more above [18:34] The version downloaded at the top (apt-get source hello-debhelper) is hello-debhelper-2.2 [18:35] * jdong looks at madison [18:35] yeah since Feisty we are at 2.2 [18:37] So maybe the guide is just a tad behind? I can handle that; I just need to know for sure that's the problem. [18:37] right, it looks like the guide is a bit out of date with regards to the version of hello [18:38] K. Thanks. That's perfect. I can make some progress now. :) [18:38] heya people [18:38] jdong: Who would have expected the version to ever increase? [18:39] Amaranth: lol [18:39] That's the value we newbies bring. :)) [18:40] And now I know how to get help when I need it. I'll probably be back. Thanks again. [18:41] RadlyEel: if you'd like to update the guide to match your experience, it's a wiki :) [18:42] I might as well get registered and actually make a contribution. :) === pochu_ is now known as pochu [19:00] hey hey all [19:00] who is handling GSoC this time round? [19:05] have you checked on #ubuntu-devel? [19:05] no [19:05] night people [19:06] Present rate : 11579 mW [19:07] Remaining capacity : 29230 mWh, 57.48%, 02:31:27 [19:07] whoo! [19:07] thanks hardy devs :) [19:07] jdong: what's that for? [19:07] cbx33: macbook core 2 duo [19:07] coool [19:07] yeah, quite impressive [19:07] * cbx33 is playing with cacti [19:07] with very minimal tweaking on my part [19:07] cool [19:08] wish i had a fairly decent laptop [19:08] the Gutsy feigure was 13-15W [19:08] and of course, compiz is running === Ubulette_ is now known as Ubulette [19:09] jdong: which, iirc, uses like 0.1W extra [19:10] heheh [19:10] nice [19:10] Amaranth: on Intel? surely vblank firing off costs more than that [19:10] this laptop is crawling [19:10] but I'm slowly making it better [19:10] although you do get 60 wakeups a second because of it thanks to no dynamic vblank interrupts [19:10] yeah [19:10] so your cpu can't sleep as long [19:11] atheros wifi is my biggest offender though [19:11] :( [19:12] jdong: also apparently the x server sits in a spinloop waiting for the GPU to finish when it sends it a command [19:12] Amaranth: lovely [19:12] which would be why those X perf tester things melt your GPU and CPU === cody-somerville_ is now known as somerville32 === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [20:33] how can I create my very own repository full of pretty packages? and how do I create the packages from the source to add into it? [20:33] http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html [20:34] this might help you [20:39] thanks for the mail, scottK (scottk2?). I will take a look at dasher's language bug now. [21:03] Does Zhengpen Hou IRC? [21:05] freeflying: Ping? === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [21:16] does anyone know how to downgrade packages from some third party PPA to distro versions? [21:16] other than going through each one and choosing "Force version" in synaptic [21:17] apt-get install firefox/hardy [21:17] alex-weej: apt-get install pkgname=ubuntu_version or pkgname/hardy (assuming the PPA has been removed for the latter) [21:17] or whatever the package is [21:17] alex-weej: though synaptic's "local/obsolete" view is very handy for this [21:18] hm, i guess that could work if i do it all at once [21:18] i tried it last night and ended up breaking my networking [21:18] but i think it was because my configuration wasn't downgraded [21:18] cat list_of_packages | xargs -i apt-get install {}/hardy [21:19] alex-weej: and I don't know of a single packager who writes or checks their scripts for downgradability, so packages with heavy postinst/prerm activity are more likely to nuke themselves on downgrade [21:20] but there's surely some way i can force a package to reinstall its configuration files too? [21:20] i don't mind having to set it up again as long as it actually works. i think the problem i had was dbus policy. [21:22] most robust is probably to purge the currently installed package then install again [21:22] can i do that without uninstalling all the dependants? [21:22] dpkg --force is probably your friend :( [21:22] haha, probably [21:24] Should Firefox plugins get installed into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins or /usr/lib/firefox/plugins, or even /usr/lib/firefox-addons/plugins ? [21:24] asac: ^ you might know about it :) [21:27] blueyed: iirc for Firefox 3.0: usr/lib/firefox-addons/extensions/ [21:27] blueyed: and usr/lib/firefox/extensions/ for 2.0 [21:28] blueyed: the package should have it's own directory in /usr/share, and then the necessary files should be linked into those extension directories [21:30] thanks === cody-somerville_ is now known as somerville32 [21:35] RainCT: the directories appear to be correct according to what /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/xpi.mk says (from mozilla-devscripts), but links are not used really. E.g. ubufox even installs the same files into both directories.. [21:38] blueyed: well, that's what asac told me to do, and what I've seen in other extensions [22:04] blueyed: if plugin is compatible with ffox 2 + 3 you use firefox + firefox-addons + iceweasel for now ... if just ffox 3, use firefox-addons only [22:04] blueyed: and like RainCT said, create links and install your extension to /usr/share or /usr/lib [22:05] blueyed: and consider to create an upstream branch and a packaging branch in firefox-extensions LP project :) [22:06] blueyed: http://code.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions [22:08] asac: thanks for explaining. Is there a wiki page with this info by any chance? [22:09] asac: already had time to look at nspluginwrapper? [22:09] asac: I was looking into bug 179588 - and would only change/extend the link creation there.. [22:09] Launchpad bug 179588 in swfdec-mozilla "swfdec-mozilla not working in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179588 [22:16] Is there a known problem with some packages 404ing on some mirrors? [22:16] zul: I'm reviewing your samba merge diff. It seems that you've just listed the patches that have been dropped in the changelog entry. [22:36] good night [22:38] Laney: you may need an apt-get update if you haven't for a while. [22:52] james_w: Thanks [22:52] Can anyone explain why cc would be called with different arguments depending on whether I'm building with debuild or pbuilder - http://dpaste.com/37835/ [22:54] Laney: do you have CFLAGS set in the environment or something? [22:54] azeem: No [22:54] Laney: Because you haven't got the dbus & hal development libraries specified as build-dependencies, so pkg-config (and hense make) can't find the necessary CFLAGS [22:54] hrm, no idea then [22:55] shouldn't HAL error out during configure then? [22:55] RAOF: They are. [22:55] Is there a configure step? [22:56] nope [22:56] Laney: In that case, post full logs. There's insufficient context there to help you. [22:56] Laney: Is pkgconfig a listed build-dep? [22:56] RAOF: No. [22:56] What would you like logs of? debuild or pbuilder? [22:56] That would be at least one of the problems, then. [22:57] Try it with a build-depend on pkgconfig (or whatever that package is called) first. [22:58] Laney: do you have different versions of dpkg-dev inside and outside pbuilder? [22:59] james_w: No, they're the same [23:00] I've worked my way through PackagingGuide/Complete to the "Building the Package" point, and have run into a sticky wicket. The output of "debuild" tells me i "do not appear to have all build dependencies properly met", and recommends running /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends", but that also does not exist, and apt-get can't find it to install. [23:01] RadlyEel: That binary is a part of the pbuilder package. You may be interested in the "apt-file" package, which would allow you to run "apt-file search pbuilder-satisfydepends", and recieve a list of all packages which contain a file matching that name. [23:01] RadlyEel: another way is to manually install the packages listed in Build-Depends: [23:01] That also works :) [23:02] RAOF: Build-depending on pkg-config doesn't seem to have made a difference :( [23:02] RAOF's looks like a slightly more global solution. Is it? [23:02] Laney: Curses. Therefore, we'll need full logs. pbuilder first, since that's the failing one. [23:03] RAOF: http://dpaste.com/37842/ [23:03] RadlyEel: yes, you want to install pbuilder [23:03] I see "dpkg-buildpackage: set CFLAGS to default value: -g -O2" [23:05] Laney: Awwwm. Can you pastebin the makefile? [23:06] mok_0: pbuilder is already up to date. [23:07] RadlyEel: weird. Do you have anythin in /usr/lib/pbuilder? [23:07] RAOF: http://dpaste.com/37843/ [23:08] Quite a few scripts. [23:08] CFLAGS ?= -O2 -g -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 `pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0` -Wall [23:09] so the pkg-config stuff won't be set if dpkg-buildpackage sets CFLAGS. Laney, does dpkg-buildpackage do that outside pbuilder? [23:09] And pbuilder-satisfydepends is one of them. [23:09] james_w: No, I just looked for that and can't see it. Why would it be different? [23:09] Laney: that's why I asked about the versions, that's the only reason I know that it would be different at the moment. [23:10] There may be more, for instance environment variable. [23:10] RadlyEel: and you can't run /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends? [23:11] Gag. I left out part of the path to it on the command line. My bad. [23:11] RadlyEel: oops [23:13] The plot thickens. So if I run dpkg-buildpackage directly I get the error (and CFLAGS is set) [23:14] Laney: That makefile, if not broken, then seriously strange. [23:14] Like that sentence. Verbs are for wooses. [23:15] RAOF: Haha, I agree. But I'm not even doing the first Ubuntu revision here - these problems are preexisting. [23:15] I submitted a 3 line patch to the preinst and the reviewer flagged up the build problem :( [23:15] Laney: So it's been *built* in Ubunty before? [23:15] RAOF: Apparently. [23:16] Right. We're probably now setting CFLAGS to do fun things. [23:16] Laney: Time to patch the makefile! [23:17] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/ppm/+builds [23:17] RAOF: Woohoo! [23:18] There's been loads of uploads to fix issues like this, due to the change to dpkg-dev to set CFLAGS [23:18] * RAOF starts to wonder why his .evolution directory is 2.2GB [23:18] Laney: one solution is to pull the pkg-config stuff out of CFLAGS in the Makefile to its own variable, so that it isn't stomped on, but you can still change -O etc. [23:19] That may well be accepted upstream. [23:19] Another solution would be to simply append the pkgconfig stuff onto CFLAGS. But pulling it into a separate variable is possibly cleaner. [23:22] james_w, RAOF: I'm a little over my head here. So would I declare a new variable in the Makefile to be `pkg-config ...` and then put this after ${MAKE}? [23:22] Laney: yeah, that's the idea. [23:23] Laney: The easiest thing would probably be to remove the pkgconfig thing from their initial CFLAGS ?= bit, and add a "CFLAGS := $(CFLAGS) " after it. [23:24] RAOF: Right. I'll give it a go. [23:24] Wish me luck! [23:24] RAOF: do you not mean CFLAGS += after? [23:24] james_w: That'd be an automakeism, right? Standard make doesn't actually support += ? [23:25] RAOF: no, I looked it up -> http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Appending [23:25] james_w, Laney: Even better. Do += :) [23:25] I got the following error on debuild: "dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - hello and hello-debhelper", which I fixed by editing the Source: line in the "control" file to make it say "hello-debhelper" instead of "hello". I've been fixing up the Wiki to show corrections, but I'm not sure this is the best solution to this problem. [23:26] RadlyEel: that sounds right. Were there two lines? [23:26] RadlyEel: otherwise it is the package in $(head -n 1 debian/changelog) that must be the same [23:28] No, just the one loine [23:28] line [23:36] RAOF: Gah. It's literally appending `pkg...` [23:37] * Laney head in hands [23:37] rubbish. [23:37] the other option is to unset CFLAGS. [23:37] Mmm [23:38] Why wouldn't it expand in +=? [23:38] Laney: += $(shell pkg-config foo) ? [23:42] * Laney is so close! [23:47] I take it back [23:51] Laney: No need to take it back. Just pick a different definition of "so". [23:56] Grr. I'll come back to it tomorrow. [23:56] Night all