[00:23] <RockIslandLine> Thanks for the reference, the bug has already been reported and diagnosed.
[00:24] <ron_o> why is gdm taking up like 35% of my CPU? Way too much for my core2duo.
[00:47] <philphoto> trying to install 7.10 on an old imac desktop and the cd won't boot up.  tried  ctrl + c & no joy.  any help?
[00:49] <TheSheep> philphoto: you are trying the ppc version?
[00:50] <philphoto> ppc?  I'm new to macs.  just helping a friend get started in linux
[00:51] <TheSheep> philphoto: power pc
[00:51] <TheSheep> philphoto: old macs didn't have intel processors
[00:51] <philphoto> right, I know that.
[00:52] <philphoto> i suppose so.
[00:52] <TheSheep> I have 0 experience with macs, but I'm sure there is some info on the forums
[00:52] <philphoto> wait, I got i, a different iso for the old architecture?
[00:53] <philphoto> I completely forgot about that.  thanks!
[05:42] <zuzma> how would I go about getting my usb volume on my headset working? I'm not too sure how to get it working as an input device with xorg.conf
[05:43] <zuzma> should it be under /dev/input?
[05:44] <zuzma> halpppp : (
[05:46] <zuzma> xev game me keycode 176 and 174 for the volume up and down
[05:47] <zuzma> god this is confusing
[07:32] <KingOfDos> I've got a problem with my EAP-MSCHAPv2 wifi network (WPA2 Enterprice)
[07:34] <KingOfDos> When i'm connecting with the wifi settings as "roaming", then I can select logintypes/protocols correctly. But I want to configure the wifi network as a "location".
[07:34] <KingOfDos> There is only WPA(2) Personal available without the "roaming" option in XFCE
[07:35] <KingOfDos> Why is the wifi setup so strange in xubuntu (on (k)ubuntu it works better)?
[07:36] <KingOfDos> And i know that i can configure wpa_supplicant to use PEAP / MSCHAPv2, but that's not what i want ;)
[07:38] <KingOfDos> The most strange thing with Xubuntu I had at home. My wifi network is called "Somename [Bla]" (without the quotes). This wifi is using WPA-PSK. Via the gui, using the "roaming" option, I can connect correctly to the network.
[07:39] <KingOfDos> But when i create a new location, setup the wifi for using that SSID, it won't connect. I guess because the [ and ]
[14:20] <nazdalf> greetings ppl........can sm 1 tel me wht to use to mount cd images in xubuntu
[14:21] <maxamillion> nazdalf: mount
[14:21] <maxamillion> nazdalf: or you can add a panel plugin that manages volume mounts for you
[14:23] <nazdalf> maxamillion: hey gud to see you again.......and errr.....is 'Mount' sm software lyk Daemon tools or Alcohol in windows??
[14:24] <maxamillion> technically daemon tools and alcohol stole the concept from linux systems and yes, mount does the same thing ... you probably are going to want the volume manager plugin for the panel ... i think it will make your life easier and keep you from having to use the command line
[14:25] <nazdalf> maxamillion: oh k.....i wil try it nw......
[14:26] <maxamillion> k
[14:29] <TheSheep> !iso
[14:29] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[14:34] <nazdalf> Ubotu: thnk you fr tht.....
[14:35] <nazdalf> maxamillion: thnks fr helping me again...adieu
[14:35] <maxamillion> anytime
[14:36] <maxamillion> TheSheep: i think we need to teach him to type entire words ... it would make helping him much easier :/
[14:36] <TheSheep> !u
[14:36] <ubotu> Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "are", "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[14:42] <maxamillion> heh
[14:42] <maxamillion> TheSheep: class time, bbl :)
[15:00] <KingOfDos> who can tell me something about the network manager (from systray)? it's a strange peace of software
[15:09] <TheSheep> KingOfDos: check /usr/share/doc/nm-applet/
[15:11] <KingOfDos> the path does not exist (only /usr/share/doc/)
[15:11] <KingOfDos> no nm-applet there ;)
[15:11] <TheSheep> you are right, they forgot to include documentation
[15:11] <TheSheep> in this case, google is you only hope
[15:12] <TheSheep> /usr/share/doc/network-manager/
[15:12] <TheSheep> there is also man for 'nm-tool' and NetworkManager
[15:26] <KingOfDos> TheSheep, i looked to the /usr/share/doc/network-manager, nothing there. also the nm-tool and NetworkManager man pages. Already let google do some work for me.
[15:26] <KingOfDos> the best i can find was something like http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg659406.html
[15:29] <KingOfDos> the problem is that i want to connect to a lot of wifi networks. and when i create a wpa_supplicant configuration file, that't not a good idea.
[15:29] <KingOfDos> that's why i want to use some gui to select my network devices.
[15:29] <KingOfDos> or dial up connection (gprs / hdspa over bluetooth)
[15:56] <Khandan> hello everybody! anyone can help installing xubuntu on a penitum mmx 233 system? I got problem with ACPI and a y2k error massage
[15:57] <TheSheep> Khandan: what's the message?
[15:58] <Khandan> bios cutoff error 1997:2000 something like that
[15:58] <Khandan> and use acpi force or again something like that
[15:59] <Khandan> anyway i can skip this too, but in the installation stage i got no mouse or keyboard working
[15:59] <TheSheep> Khandan: that's just disabling acpi, it's not critical error
[15:59] <Khandan> mouse if ofcourse is a serial mouse
[15:59] <TheSheep> serial mouse needs to be configured, it cannot be autodetected
[16:00] <Khandan> how? can you give me any istructions?
[16:00] <TheSheep> !mouse
[16:00] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[16:00] <Khandan> !mouse
[16:00] <Khandan> thanks!
[16:01] <Khandan> and about keyboard? must i configure it too?
[16:01] <TheSheep> no, it should work
[16:01] <Khandan> thanks again!
[16:02] <TheSheep> no idea why it doesn't work
[16:32] <Khandan> hey guys! I just did what the help said, but it doesn't work still!
[16:32] <Khandan> about serial mouse setup thing!!
[16:34] <Khandan> I changed com1 & com2 in the BIOS
[16:34] <Khandan> but It won't work!
[19:40] <meistah> HALLOO???
[19:42] <zoredache> you don't need to shout.... and Hello
[21:34] <luckyshot> hey guys, for some reasonw hen i boot into xubuntu it wont go into startx anymore, even after i manually enter "startx"
[21:37] <zoredache> did you do anything to update your video drivers, change resolutions, or anything like that?
[21:37] <luckyshot> zoredache>, i improperly shut my pc down by accident
[21:38] <luckyshot> after that i started experiencing this
[21:38] <zoredache> anyway, I suspect you could try making a backup of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, then runing sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:58] <luckyshot> zoredache, didn twork
[22:45] <brianko> anyone have a clue how to disable file-roller?
[22:48] <brianko> when I try to uninstall, aptitude wants to take out xubuntu-desktop as well...
[22:50] <TheSheep> !metapackage
[22:50] <ubotu> A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[22:50] <TheSheep> brianko: xubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage, it doesn't contain anything
[22:51] <TheSheep> brianko: also, you can choose your default archiwer using update-alternatives, I think
[22:51] <TheSheep> or maybe in thunar's configration somewhere?
[22:51] <Aloha> is there a launcher applet?
[22:52] <brianko> that was all installed by default...I poke around for this thunar you speak of...
[22:52] <TheSheep> brianko: thunar is the file manager -- the thing that displays windows with your directory contents
[22:52] <TheSheep> brianko: it can use different archivers, depending on configuration
[22:52] <brianko> I use window managers for xterm mgmt :)  I'll see what I can find, thanks!
[22:53] <TheSheep> Aloha: what do you mean?
[22:53] <brianko> it's rather intrusive, lynx downloads are even intercepted by this thing
[22:57] <joobaby> how do I uninstall my version of old ubuntu and get xubuntu, someone told me that was why my computer is running so slow
[22:58] <joobaby> ?
[22:58] <brianko> joobaby: I used the 7.10 mini ISO to install from
[23:01] <brianko> joobaby: xfce is quite lightweight, you'll find it much less resource-intensive than gnome
[23:02] <joobaby> so I need to uninstall my old version or just download the iso, burn, and reinstall?
[23:04] <brianko> well, if you want to just whack your old install, just repartition the HD during the install
[23:04] <brianko> just keep in mind nothing will survive from the old install afterwards...
[23:04] <joobaby> there isnt anything on this hd
[23:04] <joobaby> except ubuntu
[23:04] <joobaby> i dont know what version it is
[23:04] <joobaby> my buddy put it on
[23:04] <brianko> sure, then go for it...download the mini ISO
[23:05] <brianko> I run xubuntu and MythTV on a rather slow CPU, so I would imagine it would work fine for your video/audio app
[23:06] <joobaby> my pc = amd 64 3000, 1 gig ram, dfi lan party pci-e socket 939
[23:06] <brianko> yeah, you'll notice the difference with xfce...
[23:07] <joobaby> i like ubuntu
[23:07] <joobaby>  i just got my computer fixed after like 6 months
[23:07] <joobaby> decided to hell with microsoft
[23:07] <joobaby> i dont need to be gaming anyway
[23:08] <TheSheep> joobaby: ubuntu should be fast on this box
[23:08] <joobaby> good, id ont really do much besides surf the web, listen to music, and type papers
[23:09] <joobaby> too bad I lost all my oink.com gigs when my hd fried :-(
[23:09] <joobaby> and now oink is dead
[23:09] <TheSheep> joobaby: something must be wrong with it if it's slow
[23:09] <joobaby> you think?
[23:09] <joobaby> i had my techie friends look it over
[23:10] <joobaby> its got my old hdd in it
[23:10] <TheSheep> joobaby: maybe check in the system manager if something is taking some of the cpu all the time
[23:10] <TheSheep> in system monitor, sorry
[23:10] <joobaby> when i click on irc
[23:10] <joobaby> it goes up A LOT
[23:10] <joobaby> memory usage is only like 20%
[23:11] <TheSheep> that's about normal, I guess
[23:11] <TheSheep> joobaby: what is slow exactly?
[23:12] <joobaby> like
[23:12] <joobaby> when i have multiple irc windows
[23:12] <joobaby> its types so slow
[23:12] <joobaby> crazy slow
[23:12] <joobaby> and
[23:12] <joobaby> I cant listen to music through firefox
[23:12] <joobaby> and my mp3s from my cowon iaudio arent recognized, some guy told me to switch to xubuntu in #ubuntu
[23:13] <joobaby> i hope my processor isn't messed up or something
[23:13] <TheSheep> I don't think it will solve these problems
[23:13] <joobaby> but
[23:13] <TheSheep> for starters, you need to install additional stuff to open mp3's
[23:13] <joobaby> sound works like on the ubuntu games
[23:13] <joobaby> i tried
[23:13] <joobaby> said there was a conflict
[23:13] <joobaby> but
[23:13] <joobaby> I cant figure out with what
[23:13] <TheSheep> becsue of software patents and such, the ycanno be opened by default
[23:14] <TheSheep> !mp3
[23:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:14] <TheSheep> but I'm not sure about the slow irc windows
[23:14] <TheSheep> maybe one of the techie friends could look at it
[23:15] <TheSheep> it's not that xubuntu is not good, it just seems to me that your problems can be solved without reinstalling
[23:15] <joobaby> but they work on windows?
[23:15] <joobaby> ic
[23:15] <brianko> I agree...I thought you just wanted to start from scratch
[23:15] <joobaby> well
[23:15] <joobaby> i am
[23:15] <brianko> which is sometimes better than updating a really old distro
[23:16] <joobaby> this if my first week or so on linux ever
[23:16] <silverblade> My Xubuntu installation yesterday went well. I have successfully replaced Windows one of my parents PCs with Xubuntu. Since Firefox and OpenOffice are the main apps used on Windows there, it's virtually the same. I even rearranged the panels to a similar layout to Windows.
[23:16] <brianko> joobaby: part of the learning process is the install...so maybe you might want to start from scratch, esp. if you inherited this machine from someone
[23:16] <joobaby> no i built it
[23:16] <brianko> how'd it get ubuntu on it?
[23:17] <joobaby> well it died because the hdd came lose, two of my friends convinced me to switch to linux
[23:17] <joobaby> seemed interesting to me
[23:17] <brianko> ah...so the install is recent, by you?
[23:17] <joobaby> I had heard good things about ubuntu
[23:17] <joobaby> I was there haha, but my friend did it
[23:17] <joobaby> I can get him to help me again
[23:18] <joobaby> was just trying to figure it out on my own
[23:18] <joobaby> i.e irc
[23:18] <joobaby> :-)
[23:18] <brianko> some X-based stuff can be really resource-intensive...for instance, I use irssi for IRC for that very reason
[23:18] <joobaby> im using pidgin
[23:18] <joobaby> ...
[23:18] <PeckaH> well, at least for me it was like the fifth install with which I was happy
[23:18] <TheSheep> joobaby: this slowness is really intriguing me, maybe you are using a vesa driver for your graphics card, it's slow
[23:19] <joobaby> how do you see what drivers you are utilizing?
[23:19] <brianko> I had to install a restricted driver  for my card...
[23:20] <TheSheep> joobaby: it's configured in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, in the 'device' section
[23:22] <joobaby> which is more popular, xubunutu?
[23:22] <joobaby> ubuntu
[23:22] <TheSheep> joobaby: ubuntu is much, much more popular
[23:22] <joobaby> hmmm
[23:22] <TheSheep> joobaby: xubuntu is not even officially supported by Canonical
[23:22] <joobaby> ah
[23:22] <TheSheep> it's a community effort
[23:23] <joobaby> can you explain the differences of kde and gnome?
[23:23] <joobaby> both are new to me
[23:23] <joobaby> im from the microsoft generation unfortunately
[23:23] <KingOfDos> the difference is big
[23:23] <TheSheep> joobaby: they are just different dekstop environamnets, often with different sets of applications
[23:23] <joobaby> i noticed
[23:23] <TheSheep> environments
[23:24] <TheSheep> but you can use applications from one in the other
[23:24] <joobaby> but kde is more recent I presume?
[23:24] <TheSheep> they will just look and feel out of place
[23:24] <TheSheep> no, they are both developed for similar time
[23:24] <TheSheep> kde had just recently a new version with some big changes
[23:25] <joobaby> if you had to say, which would you recommend to a new linux user
[23:25] <TheSheep> generally, I would say kde is more similar to Windows in its approach
[23:25] <KingOfDos> kde is heavy, but has more options (panels/nice features). gnome is more "simply" (my opinion).
[23:25] <TheSheep> the applications will usually have a lot of options, not all of them useful
[23:26] <TheSheep> the gnome tries to only include the really important options, and do "the right thing" by default
[23:26] <brianko> anyone know if it's possible to manage multiple installs of the same package with apt-get?
[23:26] <brianko> for instance, apache2 in /usr and in /opt?
[23:26] <TheSheep> brianko: no, as far as I know
[23:26] <KingOfDos> and indeed, kde is more similar to Windows then Gnome is. but KDE can do more on default.
[23:27] <brianko> ok, so one gets to be installed manually then...
[23:27] <KingOfDos> brianko, why do u want 2 apache's?
[23:27] <TheSheep> one can say that KDE is for former Windows users, and GNOME -- for MacOS users :)
[23:27] <brianko> one to chroot for outside access, the other for internal access
[23:27] <TheSheep> KingOfDos: more of what? :)
[23:28] <KingOfDos> brianko, ok, then it's indeed an option for installing another ;)
[23:28] <TheSheep> brianko: I don't think you need separate installs for that
[23:28] <TheSheep> brianko: just two configurations
[23:29] <KingOfDos> TheSheep, Windows does not have "weather" module on default. and other nice stuff. the "windows tray" is not so tweakable as KDE ;)
[23:29] <brianko> I was under the impression ChrootDir was global for all httpd instances...
[23:29] <KingOfDos> and i like to got more panels, change stuff on the way i like it :)
[23:29] <TheSheep> KingOfDos: ah, right, didn't understand :)
[23:29] <TheSheep> KingOfDos: what's more important, windows doesn't come with a complete set of tools to build it :)
[23:30] <TheSheep> brianko: I think you can start the daemon with a parameter telling it where to find the configuration
[23:30] <brianko> hmm...well that would certainly be easier!
[23:30] <TheSheep> brianko: of course, you would need a separate startup script in /etc/init.d
[23:31] <TheSheep> brianko: I'm not sure how much work it is in ubuntu though
[23:32] <brianko> I could figure that part out...the multiple conf files is a good idea, looking now...
[23:33] <KingOfDos> TheSheep, my basic config for the most KDE configurations -> http://kingofdos.com/compiz/compiz-fusion-2.avi
[23:33] <brianko> yes, here it is:  running multiple httpd daemons with different User/Group settings...exactly what I need
[23:34] <KingOfDos> ok, wobly-windows is NOT enabled on default in my configuration, that's only for "show off". but so you can see how i like my desktop (panels/etc) :)
[23:40] <brianko> libapache2-mod-chroot seems to be the ticket here...