[00:09] <RyanPrior> Why doesn't Ubuntu have any default templates in ~/.templates?
[00:10] <Dr_willis> I always delete those anyway
[00:11] <RyanPrior> Dr_willis: A blank text file, a blank OpenOffice document... installing the Eclipse package should add a Java template, and so on...
[00:11] <RyanPrior> Sure you could delete them, but I think it would be useful to have some stuff in there.
[00:17] <Dr_willis> i find the users home dirs are getting way too cluttered these days
[00:18] <ysth1> RyanPrior: packages shouldn't install stuff in ~.  maybe they do put stuff in e.g. /usr/share/templates?
[00:18] <cyphase> Does anyone know why the repositories dialog in Synaptic has been changed so much?
[00:21] <Dr_willis> I thought ive seen a Examples in the users home dir Linked to /usr/Somthing/examples befor.. or similer
[00:39] <X_> I have alpha 6 fever! :D
[00:40] <mooboo1> me too :D
[00:40] <mooboo1> cant wait
[00:40] <mooboo1> even though its future freeze
[00:40] <X_> constantly refreshing the wiki page
[00:40] <mooboo1> so no cool new stuff
[00:41] <mooboo1> constantl apt-get update :p
[00:41] <mooboo1> think alpha6 is in 2 days
[00:41] <X_> I tried alpha 5, loved it
[00:41] <X_> yep, BUT I CANT WAIT MUST HAFV IT NOW! :D
[00:41] <mooboo1> ya alpha5 was good
[00:41] <mooboo1> :D
[00:42] <X_> \o/
[00:43] <Aeroraptor-M> can you upgrade to 6 from inside 5 or do you have to start over?
[00:44] <X_> I tend to just format and start over
[00:48] <mooboo1>  March 6th -- Alpha 6
[00:48] <mooboo1> Aeroraptor-M, you can upgrade
[00:48] <Aeroraptor-M> mooboo1, ah, coolness
[01:04] <Galga> hi
[01:05] <Galga> where can i check for new stuff included in Hardy
[01:18] <ysth1> wow, Galga waited 189 seconds for an answer before leaving
[01:21] <Daisuke_Ido> a new record
[01:31] <Dr_willis> Long-term-discussions. :)
[01:31] <Dr_willis> when it takes 3 hrs for someone to reply to your 'hi!' :)
[01:37] <mcquaid> just curious, when I look at the release schedule all the releases seem to be labeled as alpha builds.  Is there a reason none are listed as beta?
[01:37] <Dr_willis> I thoght we went from alpha to rc,  for 'release canidate'
[01:38] <ysth1> there's a beta release scheduled for 2008-03-20
[01:39] <ysth1> (but not noted in the Notes column)
[01:39] <mcquaid> yes i see the rc.  I guess I'm asking is why none listed as beta
[01:39] <ysth1> rc is 2008-04-17
[01:39] <mcquaid> ah yes i see
[01:39] <mcquaid> i was looking at the notes column
[01:40] <Dr_willis> i find it easier to just wait till 2 weeks after the thing is officially released to worry about the next release. :)
[01:40] <Dr_willis> but here i am testingit out.. heh
[01:41] <mcquaid> sometimes, i grab it early.  I think for gutsy, i just waited a couple of weeks afterwards, but some features i'm liking in this release
[01:41] <mcquaid> what gives me pause in updating early is the issue with certain cdrom drives and the supposed instability of the new gnome vfs
[01:42] <Dr_willis> I wonder if the samba/network share browsing stuff has gotten fixed yet. havnt updated in 4 days..
[01:42] <Dr_willis> thats the only issue ive seen.
[01:43] <Dr_willis> but i aint been doing a lot with it
[01:52] <mcquaid> not sure.  i'll probably wait for the next alpha at least before giving it a try
[01:52] <EmmerP> some more people problems with ATI + AIGLX the last weeks?
[01:52] <EmmerP> my X crashes when using it
[01:53] <ethana2> this brother printer is driving me insane
[01:53] <ethana2> DCP-7020
[01:53] <ethana2> it's fully supported with gpl code
[01:53] <ethana2> but it not only doesn't Just Work
[01:54] <ethana2> it just doesn't work
[01:54] <ethana2> it's trying to use the driver for the dcp-7025
[01:54] <ethana2> does any of the 182 people in here have a brother printer?
[01:55] <mindrape> nope.
[01:55] <mindrape> we all use canon
[01:55] <mindrape> j/k
[01:55] <ethana2> i would expect you to use HP
[01:55] <mindrape> I dont own a printer actually... I'm part of the digital revolution.
[01:55] <ethana2> i wish i could be too
[01:55] <ethana2> my mom uses paper
[01:55] <mindrape> paper is so 1999.
[01:56] <ethana2> yes it needs to die
[01:56] <ethana2> in the mean time..
[01:56] <mindrape> well what is your brother problem?
[01:56] <ethana2> i want a tablet
[01:56] <mindrape> cant get cups to recognize it?
[01:56] <ethana2> the dcp-7020 doesn't work
[01:56] <ethana2> it just.. refuses to function
[01:56] <ethana2> and because it has fully open drivers, i would expect it to Just Work
[01:57] <ethana2> it's not even in the printer list though
[01:57] <TheArthur> is it reasonable to upgrade to hardy by changing my sources.list and running apt-get update?
[01:57] <mindrape> http://localhost:631/admin  <--- you doing it that route?
[01:57] <ethana2> so it tells me to use the stuff for the dcp-7025 instead
[01:57] <mindrape> TheArthur - sure.
[01:57] <ethana2> no, I'll try that
[01:59] <ethana2> it sees it
[01:59] <ethana2> seems to identify it correctly
[01:59] <ethana2> ...sent test page annndd....
[02:00] <ethana2> printer does nothing, but the job is reported as done
[02:00] <ethana2> all my print jobs are silently failing
[02:03] <ethana2> ok, how do i print via terminal to diagnose this?
[02:05] <ethana2> Error: no "print" mailcap rules found
[02:06] <ethana2> that error is universal over formats
[02:06] <ethana2> how do I fix that?
[02:14] <mindrape> sounds like a job for google ethana2
[02:15] <amblin> how do you specify a range of ports in UFW?
[02:26] <ethana2> finally found it
[02:26] <ethana2> it'd be nice if Ubuntu would do this by itself though
[02:26] <ethana2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4026344#post4026344
[02:28] <ysth1> TheArthur: or use update-manager -d
[02:28] <amblin> anyone... can you specify a port range in UFW?
[03:02] <Milos_SD> is there any problem with busybox update? I don't want to do the update before I know that there is no problems with it. :)
[03:05] <igorgue> hi guys, you may remember me from the movie "I DONT HAVE WIRELESS" 1 and 2
[03:05] <igorgue> but seriously, I don't
[03:05] <igorgue> iwl3945abg
[03:06] <igorgue> I heard that the led was not working
[03:06] <igorgue> but I don't get working the network even the led :(
[03:06] <igorgue> how can I know which version of the driver do I have?
[03:41] <insta> hey guys, i'm seeing a *very* sluggish machine after upgrading to hardy.  it's a core2 @ 1.83ghz, 2GB DDR2 ram, SATA HDD, i915 chipset with compiz enabled ... everything is slow, but it's especially noticable switching between windows
[03:41] <insta> xdriinfo reports i915 on screen 0
[03:42] <efren20> hey were do i download Hardy Heron Alpha
[03:45] <getoo> efren20: are u running gutsy
[03:51] <efren20> yes
[03:51] <efren20> found another solution problem is i need to compile my ipod or something like that can you help me>
[04:00] <bazhang> efren20: probably not a good idea to run Hardy to solve your iPod problem--though libgpod is 0.6.0, it is still early alpha; I posted a link in #ubuntu for you to follow on how to get that going.
[04:01] <Kano> CarlFK: did you try pxe boot and live mode?
[04:01] <CarlFK> Kano: not yet.  still have your notes in my pxe/default though
[04:01] <CarlFK> Kano: I did just figure out how to pxe boot qemu
[04:02] <Kano> i guess you need a tun device, i usually use virtual box with internal emulated net
[04:03] <efren20> is there any drawing program where you draw something and could make it live like walk fire etc...
[04:04] <Kano> i wrote a script that configures the tftpboot dir (i even enabled a text menu)
[04:04] <Kano> and support live-helper + casper images
[04:05] <Kano> pretty tricky, also setups tftpd and dnsmasq
[04:05] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/casper-terminalserver/casper-terminalserver.sh
[04:05] <Kano> if you run that in live mode
[04:05] <CarlFK> any idea how one pxe boot can boot a 2nd pxe/default
[04:06] <AnswerGuy> efren20: you mean animation software?
[04:06] <efren20> yes
[04:06] <Kano> you only need ot change the DEVICE line to point to the currently not used device which is connected to the clients
[04:06] <efren20> for ubuntu 7.10 gusty gnome
[04:06] <efren20> or anything that works in it idc
[04:06] <ysth1> 8.04 hardly hobgoblin?
[04:07] <Kano> CarlFK: well you could define a file for each client
[04:08] <Kano> mac address or ip adress based
[04:08] <AnswerGuy> efren20: I don't know of anything that would be specific to Hardy Heron (this channel is about future versions of Ubuntu; general Ubuntu questions should be posted to the #ubuntu channel)
[04:09] <CarlFK> Kano: same client.  my default file is getting pretty big, and I would rather not have to merge other defaults into it
[04:09] <AnswerGuy> Doing a quick freshmeat search on "animation" (http://www.freshmeat.net/?q=animation ) shows 119 projects
[04:09] <AnswerGuy> But many are like MPlayer (irrelevant to creating your own)
[04:09] <CarlFK> heh
[04:10] <AnswerGuy> Might take a look at Blender; I've heard good things about it.
[04:10] <CarlFK> check out blender - i think it does... that.
[04:10] <Kano> CarlFK: did you ever try to define another file via pxelinux.configfile? just look into the syslinux doc files
[04:11] <CarlFK> no.  i gave up too quick - eaiser to just cut/paste into one big file....
[04:11] <AnswerGuy> Gifsicle (command line tool for creating ... GIFs and animations
[04:12] <AnswerGuy> As for as I know the usual technique ... just using things like the GIMP is to make your base image ... then copy it, modify the copy ... and so on; and I guess some people use morphing software to automate some of the transitions from one animation cel to another
[04:14] <bazhang> Blender would do
[04:15] <AnswerGuy> GIMP allows you to have multiple layers, so you can have one image on a layer and work on the new cell frame on a different layer (which can be partially "faded out" while you work, just for your reference and is masked away completely when you save the new cel/frame.
[04:15] <AnswerGuy> But I honestly have no experience in animation and very little in graphics work in general
[04:17] <AnswerGuy> I see there are several #blender* channels here on Freenode; and presumably there's at least one #gimp channel, too
[04:21] <hdevalence> what version of X does hardy use?
[04:21] <dareii> 7.3 i think
[04:22] <hdevalence> hmm
[04:22] <dareii> anyone know if 8.04 hardy will have OO.0 2.4
[04:23] <hdevalence> i'm being affected by this bug http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10674 and it says it's been fixed upstream. That would mean that 7.3 probably fixes it, right?
[04:23] <ubotu> Wine bug 10674 in directx-d3d "Wine Unhandled Page Fault with i965 video driver" [Major,Closed: invalid]
[05:11] <wastrel> i reported a bug
[05:18] <CarlFK>  198110  "Fix Released" - how long does it take for that fix to migrate to us.archive.u.c?
[05:20] <phax> I am trying to install my printer on Gutsy but it requires the latest version of HPLIP which is not present in Gutsy but is there in Hardy, any pointers on what I should do ?
[05:22] <CarlFK> is your goal to print or find bugs?
[05:22] <phax> to print
[05:22] <CarlFK> then you should wait
[05:22] <phax> oh
[05:22] <phax> what if I install the newever version of HPLIP from source?
[05:23] <phax> then  I should not expect things to work smoothly I guess
[05:23] <CarlFK> depends on if you do it right
[05:24] <Nuke_> is gdesklets broken for anyone else?
[05:26] <IdleOne> phax, you could also upgrade but not recommended if you dont feel like looking for bugs and fixing/help fix them
[05:29] <wastrel> i'm not looking for bugs, they seem to find me
[05:30] <Nuke_> serious question: why is everything with strange bugs written in python? is there something about the language the lends itself to brokenness?
[05:31] <CarlFK> Nuke_: it might be because most of the things being written use python
[05:31] <CarlFK> would you expect to find a cobol bug?
[05:32] <phax> IdleOne, thanks understand.
[05:34] <Nuke_> all complaining aside, is it just incompatibility? new versions of python break old code?
[05:37] <CarlFK> Nuke_: you have it backwards
[05:38] <hydrogen> buggy code is buggy?
[05:38] <CarlFK> it is easy to use, so it is used for most things.
[05:38] <CarlFK> more code = more bugs
[05:39] <hydrogen> no, easier to use = more bugs because more people are writing it without understanding proper coding methodologies
[05:39] <hdevalence> would it be possible to install xorg 7.3 from hardy on my gutsy install?
[05:39] <RAOF> hdevalence: No.
[05:39] <CarlFK> if everything was writtin in basic, then the bugs would be in code written in basic
[05:40] <hdevalence> RAOF: so I would need to use hardy?
[05:40] <RAOF> hdevalence: Pretty much, yes.
[05:40] <hdevalence> gah
[05:40] <hdevalence> i want battlefield 2142 to work, and there's a bug that's fixed in 7.3 that stops it :(
[05:41] <hydrogen> CarlFK: yet there are far more parts of the system written in c/c++ than python, and look where the bugs are popping up
[05:41] <hdevalence> hydrogen: otoh, there is something to be said for easy to use languages
[05:42] <ysth1> there's an age effect; the python code is newer, by and large, hence buggier
[05:42] <hdevalence> I think it's important to not be too unfriendly to people who are learning
[05:42] <hdevalence> the language that is
[05:42] <CarlFK> hydrogen: ubuntu stuff is mostly writtten in python. the C stuff is from other sources, and mostly debugged
[05:43] <hydrogen> exactly
[05:43] <hydrogen> buggy code is buggy
[05:43] <hydrogen> python encourages buggy code by being so loose
[05:43] <syke> unless its unit tested ;)
[05:43] <hdevalence> I've found using c++ w/ qt is very nice
[05:45] <hdevalence> compiler errors are annoying, but you learn from them, I've found
[05:51] <ysth1> python encourages buggy code by being worse-is-bettery, you mean?
[05:51] <ysth1> not sure how to interpret that "loose"
[05:51] <hydrogen> it sleeps around
[05:51] <hydrogen> :/
[06:15] <GhotiPhud> hey
[06:15] <GhotiPhud> I want to get involved
[06:15] <GhotiPhud> don't really know where to start
[06:26] <Flannel> !contribute | GhotiPhud
[06:26] <ubotu> GhotiPhud: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[06:26] <Flannel> Fish food, eh?
[06:27] <GhotiPhud> haha, yes
[06:27] <ryanhaigh> /j #ubuntu
[06:27] <GhotiPhud> I'm interested in the "screens and graphics" program
[06:28] <ryanhaigh> /join #ubuntu
[06:28] <GhotiPhud> I can never seem to get it to work right
[06:28] <GhotiPhud> so I'd like to take a look at it
[06:28] <GhotiPhud> don't really know where to pick up the latest version
[06:28] <GhotiPhud> git?
[06:28] <GhotiPhud> svn?
[06:29] <GhotiPhud> not sure how all that works
[06:30] <Flannel> GhotiPhud: you might be better served in #ubuntu-devel, or even #ubuntu-motu
[06:30] <GhotiPhud> okay, I'll look there, thanks Flannel
[07:31] <DanaG> Oh hey, something interesting: suspend on nvidia works better if you have a script call glxinfo before suspend.
[07:31] <DanaG> It seems odd, but it seems to help for god-only-knows what reason.
[08:08] <Amaranth> Running glxinfo probably puts the card in some 'sane' state
[08:08] <Amaranth> by going through the whole feature list and testing things
[08:21] <Gnine> "unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-deamon'. this could indicate a problem with Bonobo..." | 2.6.24-11-generic | gnome 2.21.92 | celeron 2.0
[08:21] <pwnguin>  for all the crap people are posting on planet ubuntu about NIN's ghosts, im currently of the opinion that it's about worth what they're charging for it
[08:28] <Gnine> !away
[08:28] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»
[09:29] <Nubae> is there a channel for kubuntu+1 (kde4)?
[09:30] <jussi01> Nubae: #kubuntu-kde4 or #ubuntu+1
[09:30] <jussi01> here or there is good, but kde4 specific probably better in #kubuntu-kde4
[09:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> LP:#192310
[09:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> bug 192310
[09:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192310 in hyphen "package openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192310
[10:13] <hwilde> who owns ubotu ?  wake him up
[10:52] <NineTeen67Comet> Hi all .. I recently fired up Alpha 5 (server amd64) and have found two things that I didn't see in the bugs .. Most annoyingly is the lack of bash_completion for application names (directories <tab> fine but something like sudo aptit<tab> inst<tab> smartmon<tab> just beeps).
[10:53] <NineTeen67Comet> second is the ubuntu-keychain keeps erroring out. I assume this is something that's in work, but I thought I would mention it.
[10:56] <Nubae> NineTeen, tab completion for apps works fine for me
[10:58] <NineTeen67Comet> Nubae: hum .. it's dead in the water for my gOS box too ..
[10:58]  * NineTeen67Comet what'd I do?
[10:58] <Nubae> type of keyboard maybe?
[10:59] <NineTeen67Comet> I dunno, there are two diff boards. Tab works for stuff like "sudo nano -w /etc/mun<tab>/mun<tab>" .. but aptitude just isn't hangin' with Mr. Cooper ..
[11:00] <NineTeen67Comet> neither is apt-get
[11:00] <NineTeen67Comet> It'll work if I don't toss sudo in the mix .
[11:06] <buz> anyone else lost sound with the 2.6.24-11 upgrade?
[11:31] <iceman> where is #ubuntu
[11:31] <iceman> ?
[11:31] <scizzo-> iceman:
[11:32] <scizzo-> ?
[11:32] <iceman> !channel
[11:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about channel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <scizzo-> iceman: /j #ubuntu
[11:32] <iceman> !support
[11:32] <ubotu> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[11:32] <iceman> k
[11:32] <scizzo-> iceman: it is there
[12:46] <toter> hi guys... i'm having a problem with hardy heron... i installed hardy alpha 5 and i can't change the resolution on Monitor & Display under System Settings...
[12:46] <toter> anybody also having this problem?
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> You did install the drivers for your video card?
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> I recall seeing that i could change those only after i install my nvidia drivers.
[12:50] <toter> the message I get is: "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded"
[12:51] <toter> i'm not sure if it's related to my video card driver
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> Well if you have a nvidia card. Install the nvidia drivers for it. And try agin. I will try here..  and check Other then that.. I got no idea,
[12:52] <toter> So... you have installed alpha 5 and you can change the resolution with no problems?
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> system -> perferances -> screen res.  works here.
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> I am using a nvidia card.
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> I am update/upgrading right now. :)
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> well the applet works at least. its not changeing the res.
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> of course I normally use the actual nvidia control panel tool.
[12:55] <foobar> ppl of #ubuntu has redirected me to other channel...
[12:55] <foobar> i was asking HOW ubuntu does to include the acx100 firmwares directly on the iso
[12:56] <foobar> since these firmwares are NOT allowed to be redistributed
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> It may be they have an exception, or some agreement. I would think the ubuntu forums would have an area on this.
[12:57] <foobar> it is not explained anywhere ? :/
[13:01] <toter> Dr_Willis: I can change the resolution using another program... Now i'm using 1024 x 768... but the module on KDE doesn't work.
[13:02] <toter> The console output displays an error message... something wrong with displayconfig.py
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> theres a lot of issues it seems lately with some of the python parts
[13:06] <toter> but try this later... installing alpha 5 and then trying to change the resolution on System Settings / Monitor & Display... I also tried updating everything with apt-get dist-upgrade... Still doesn't work
[13:07] <toter> but that's fine... the resolution can be changed using another program...
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> sounds to me like its possibially related to the various python stuff i saw last week.
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> but what do i know.. :) im trying to figure out why smbfuse isent working
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Everytime i mount somthing with the fuse tools. Gnome is auto poping up a file manager window for the new mountpoint.
[13:10] <toter> You're right... it's related to python... i get lots of error messages in the console... this displayconfig.py file has some problems
[13:11] <bazhang> a python 2.5 error here
[13:11] <toter> yep
[13:12] <bazhang> no complaints though really; much faster than gutsy by far
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> anyone else tryed the fusesmb tool under   hardy yet?  its seems to been broke now for the last.. err.. month or more..
[13:13] <bazhang> will try it--what does it do?
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> it lets you mount samba (or windows) shares on the fly. makes  the whole network-neighborhood appear as a local directory
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> I got a wiki page done on it. :) let me find the url
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb
[13:14] <bazhang> well I could get windows in a vm; Dr_Willis
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> bazhang,  heh :) it will show local machine shares also.
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> but I just googled for that wiki page and NOW i found some bug reports on it.. i dident find any bug reports on fusesmb when i was at the bug tracker site just befor that..
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> odd..
[13:15] <toter> about the monitor & display problem: i found this
[13:15] <toter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/173768
[13:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173768 in kde-guidance "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:16] <toter> Apparently this monitor & display problem is well known
[13:26] <bazhang> Dr_Willis: okay; will do! will let you know in the next day ;]
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> bazhang,  i submited a but. found a similer bug mentioned by someone for the 7.10 release.
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> a bug even :)
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if its gnome/kde related.. brb. I may as well trouble shoot this some more
[13:28] <bazhang> haha okay will then go directly and confirm it then Dr_Willis ;]
[13:28] <toter> Dr_Willis: What's the advantage by using this fusesmb? SMB is working fine on my alpha 5... Dolphin displays my shared folders and drives, no problem...
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> Heck i couldbe doing somthing STUPID.. but i did write that fusesmb wiki.
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> toter,  it shows the whole network of shares in a single local directory (is how the programs see it)
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> if a new machine connects.. its shares show up.  :)
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> when one leaves.. the shares vanish.
[13:29] <toter> oh... ok... i'm still learning :)
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> all the shares appear as a local directory, so nothing special needs to be done to let programs access the data files.  Similer to how you 'mount' shares. but this is at a user level. thats what FUSE does - is let the users do what used to be root type tasks. :0
[13:30] <pavlos> hi there
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> The whole FUSE system.. is.. sort of amazing.
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:31] <pavlos> how can I install ubuntu 8.04 via terminal
[13:31] <pavlos> ?
[13:31] <rsk> you can't
[13:31] <rsk> it's not releases yet
[13:31] <rsk> released
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> not sure what you mean 'via terminal'
[13:32] <pavlos> I'm booting from the live cd
[13:32] <pavlos> ok
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> The live cd - has a gui installer., isent there an alternative installer cd out yet?
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> alternative installer cd - has the text based installer.
[13:32] <pavlos> and I'm sellecting option 2
[13:32] <pavlos> that it says install ubuntu
[13:33] <pavlos> and it boots in a terminal
[13:34] <pavlos> If I try option 1 I have problems with my VGA
[13:37] <pavlos> can anyone help me ?
[13:38] <binaries-APP> does anyone know how to connect a hardy desktop to a hardy server ?
[13:39] <binaries-APP> anyone ? someone?
[13:40] <Pici> binaries-APP: You need to explain a bit further, its a bit of a vague question.
[13:40] <bazhang> same lan?
[13:41] <binaries-APP> i have a hardy desktop installed on my lappy. i would like to use it to controll an older machine, on which i have installed the hardy server
[13:41] <binaries-APP> they are on the same network
[13:41] <Pici> ssh?
[13:41] <bazhang> you want to ssh into the server?
[13:41] <binaries-APP> yes , ssh was what i have found a bit of info on
[13:42] <binaries-APP> however when i attempt to connect to port 22 ( default?) the connection is refused ,even when provided with the reight login info
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> you did INSTALL the sshd deamon/server?
[13:43] <binaries-APP> the server is cleanly installed, with all of the server options :D
[13:43] <binaries-APP> aka lamp , mail, ssh .... the list
[13:44] <binaries-APP> i believe there is an alternative that is already built into the 8.04 distro
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> You could check the logs..  /var/log/auth (i think)
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> You sure ssh is installed ? :) try 'ssh localhost' perhaps as a test.
[13:45] <binaries-APP> in the gui ( desktop ) there is an option to connect to a server, w. the option to scan the network for a server >negative
[13:45] <bazhang> !info openssh-server hardy
[13:45] <ubotu> openssh-server (source: openssh): secure shell server, an rshd replacement. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.7p1-4ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 244 kB, installed size 644 kB
[13:46] <Pici> binaries-APP: What application are you using to 'connect to server'? are you using ssh?
[13:46] <binaries-APP> yes
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> wow the auth.log file - has about 20+ lines of logging each time i ssh in.
[13:47] <binaries-APP> theres a gui for it too no ?
[13:47] <Pici> A gui? No? ssh is command line.
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> gui for ssh? I just upen up a terminal and do 'ssh whatever'
[13:47] <binaries-APP> in the desktop its under places>connect to server
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> thats a sftp type thing. i belive
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> and it was Not working for me - i think theres a bug with it
[13:49] <Pici> There have been some gvfs bugs abound recently.
[13:49] <binaries-APP> ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[13:49] <Pici> binaries-APP: Why are you connecting to localhost?
[13:49] <Pici> localhost is whatever computer you are running the command on.
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> basic trouble shooting wins again. :)
[13:50] <binaries-APP> talk about a noob :D
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> ps ax | grep sshd
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> see if sshd is really running?
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> if he cant connect to localhost.. then.. well nothing else is going to connect either.
[13:51] <binaries-APP> ssh: connect to host 127.0.1.1 port 22: Connection refused
[13:51] <Pici> binaries-APP: 127.0.1.1 is an alias for localhost.
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> if its not even running, you might want to try 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server ' just in case it some how dident get installed properly.
[13:52] <binaries-APP> ps ax > sshd is running
[13:52] <Pici> Dr_Willis: I'm assuming that he doesnt have the ssh server running on the 'client' computer
[13:52] <bmk789> has anyone used hamachi on hardy?
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> Pici,  :) good point. :) i always got ssh on all the machines.
[13:52] <Pici> Dr_Willis: Me too ;)
[13:52] <binaries-APP> i saw something like that somewhere but it only reminded me of japan
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> of course  he could walk over to the ssh server and try that command. :)
[13:54] <binaries-APP> i have both machines infront of me
[13:54] <binaries-APP> DR_willis: what was that command?
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> the ssh localhost command you just used?
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> go to the machines thats the ssh server, and  try 'ssh localhost' see if you can connect locally.
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> if you can connect locally, but not remotely, then either theres some firewall rules, or other stuff blocking the connection
[13:57] <Pici> Or you aren't connecting to the correct address
[13:58] <binaries-APP> brb the phones ringing
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> Yea. Be sure to try with the IP OF THE SERVER. :)
[13:58] <Dr_Willis> not just its name.
[13:59] <Dr_Willis> bye all.. good luck
[14:12] <binaries-APP> hey i found some wiki on ssh, gonna digg that first, thanks for the points
[14:12] <binaries-APP> peace
[14:15] <nDuff> In /etc/network/interfaces, I have a bridge defined with "bridge_ports eth0". This works fine -- the bridge comes up and adds eth0 -- but eth0 is also separately started and has its own dhclient run, although it isn't defined in the interfaces file at all (except as a member of br0). Where should I be looking at to understand what's going on?
[14:19] <panosru> hi, i got wine 0.9.56 but sound does not work, do anyone have the same prob?
[14:26] <hdevalence> where do I learn to how to resolve dependencies with apt?
[15:32] <lubos1> hi
[15:32] <lubos1> should i upgrad now, or is it to unstable for my main system ^?
[15:34] <pwnguin> it's a testing version still; your ability to recover / reinstall after massive errors will probably dictate your choice
[15:34] <pwnguin> i dont know of any
[15:34] <pwnguin> (massive errors)
[15:34] <pwnguin> but if you don't have a liveCD or anything handy already, it could be quite painful
[15:35] <lubosz> hm, i upgraded to feisty in july, it was still alpha last release ^
[15:35] <lubosz> i wanted just to change the repos and do a dist-upgrade
[15:36] <lubosz> my system has a long lifetime already, not going to change that :D
[15:36] <lubosz> ubuntu studio 7.04 => ubuntu 7.10 in july ^
[15:36] <pwnguin> you'll miss important stuff that way, since it seems the gui upgrader contains some extra special magic that isn't in any particular package
[15:36] <pwnguin> personally, i keep around two installs on my laptop
[15:37] <pwnguin> one stable and one unstable
[15:38] <lubosz> do i miss that stuff also when i do the dist-upgrade with a stable version?
[15:38] <lubosz> hm, so there are new packages which have to be added
[15:38] <pwnguin> i believe so, yes
[15:38] <pwnguin> well more like
[15:39] <pwnguin> "replace the group adm with admin" etc
[15:39] <lubosz> hmm
[15:39] <lubosz> and a upgrade from cd would do such stuff
[15:40] <pwnguin> well
[15:40] <pwnguin> you don't need the CD
[15:40] <pwnguin> you just need to use update-manager ;)
[15:40] <pwnguin> the liveCD helps you in situations where your current install is hosed
[15:41] <lubosz> when i replace the repos, will update manager do that?
[15:41] <pwnguin> update manager replaces the repos for you, and comments out the ones that aren't official
[15:41] <pwnguin> you can re enable them afterwards
[16:20] <lubosz> but if i want to upgrade via update manager, i have to wait for release?
[16:26] <henkjan> update-manager -d
[16:26] <henkjan> tha'll give you the --devel-release
[16:27] <lubosz> thc
[16:27] <lubosz> thx
[16:28] <antiati> hello damn i have download 4 time kubuntu hardy and for 4 time i have get 4 bad  cd
[16:29] <pvandewyngaerde> did you check md5 sum ?
[16:29] <mazzen> doesn anyone have also a lot of troubles with ati mobility radeon cards? i can only use the vesa drivers, as the "ati" leads to a white screen and the fglrx to a system freeze
[16:31] <wastrel> hi hi
[16:31] <antiati> pvandewyngaerde: i have get always error....with 4 burner
[16:31] <antiati> sorry 3 burner
[16:31] <antiati> maybe better cd writer
[16:33] <antiati> pvandewyngaerde: i have made check cd rom after boot
[16:33] <antiati> and after 35% it was always blocked
[16:35] <pvandewyngaerde> but did you check the iso file you downloaded ?
[16:38] <nekr0z> hello to all
[16:39] <nekr0z> can anyone help with a sound problem? PulseAudio works, ALSA doesn't, says it's busy always
[16:41] <nekr0z> and I can't even track what program is locking it
[16:43] <Laser87> sry for offtopic, just a short question: anybody here knows the local time in Texas?
[16:43] <Milos_SD> I think that newest tracker update broke tracker applet, becouse I don't have it now. :S
[16:44] <nekr0z> I just want to figure out whether the problem is between the chair and the keyboard, or I should file a bugreport
[16:44] <Amaranth> @now Houston
[16:44]  * Amaranth pokes ubotu
[16:44] <Amaranth> @now Chicago
[16:44] <ubotu> Current time in America/Chicago: March 04 2008, 10:44:42 - Next meeting: Platform Team in 14 hours 15 minutes
[16:44] <Amaranth> that should basically be the same time
[16:45] <Amaranth> can't remember what part (if any) of texas overlaps other timezones
[16:45] <Laser87> should or sure?^^
[16:45] <Laser87> anyway thx a lot
[16:46] <Amaranth> well i know that covers most of texas anyway
[17:18] <BUGabundo> hi there
[17:18] <BUGabundo> (2008-03-04 17:18:08) BUGabundo:
[17:18] <BUGabundo> where can I find an HowTo for likewise and how to setup with an AD?
[17:21] <BUGabundo> anyone?
[17:22] <syke> bug: I believe you can find thsoe with a web search
[17:22] <BUGabundo> I coulndt!
[17:22] <syke> I came across some in the message boards while doing asearch for somethign else
[17:22] <BUGabundo> that's why I came here
[17:22] <BUGabundo> I could get in their mailinglist
[17:22] <BUGabundo> but its too much work just for a simple howto
[17:23] <syke> sorry, dunno
[17:23] <BUGabundo> thanks anyway syke
[17:23] <BUGabundo> they should have some info on their site, or a wiki.... but I haven't found it yet
[17:24] <BUGabundo> just links for enterprise and comiunity mailinglist
[17:30] <danielm> hi all
[17:31] <danielm> any idea how to recover the 'default' value of screen brightness?
[17:31] <Ng> I don't suppose anyone here is using hardy with the installer's encrypted lvm setup?
[17:36] <hwilde_> any way to monitor the data throughput on /dev/ttyUSB0 ?
[18:06] <HEP85> hi @ everybody
[18:07] <HEP85> today I did a apt-get upgrade and it broke mythtv. Where can I file a bug report?
[18:28] <TuxCrafter> hi guys, what is the packagename for the program that gives you the packagename on the terminal when you try to run a program that is not installed
[18:30] <DrHalan> hey, if i go on network it doesnt show anything not even my own machine
[18:31] <TuxCrafter> command-not-found
[18:31] <TuxCrafter> found it
[19:32] <bmk789> should i be filing bug reports for hardy?
[19:32] <Pici> bmk789: Yes....
[19:33] <bmk789> because when i tried amarok they plastered all over "do NOT file bug reports!"
[19:34] <zniavre> hello (im french sorry for my english) each reboot the network is down i need to restart it manually by the network tool
[19:34] <zniavre> is it a known bug?
[19:35] <Pici> bmk789: I can't inform you about amarok, but we do want other bugs to be logged, please search though before logging in order to decrease duplicates
[19:36] <bmk789> ok
[19:37] <bmk789> would someone have deleted the bug i submitted earlier?  it seems to be gone
[19:37] <Pici> bmk789: It may have been marked as a duplicate, and would be hidden from the default search paramteters
[19:38] <bmk789> the was only one other bug about the program and it wasnt a duplicate
[19:39] <Pici> bmk789: Do you remember the bug ID?
[19:39] <bmk789> the number?
[19:39] <Pici> Yes.
[19:40] <bmk789> 198373
[19:40] <Pici> bug 198373
[19:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198373 in ubuntu "Hamachi affects network connection in Hardy" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198373
[19:40] <bmk789> hm
[19:42] <bmk789> *sigh*
[19:59] <bmk789> can anyone verify bug 198486
[19:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198486 in firefox "Firefox 3 Huge Toolbars" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198486
[20:22] <nerdygirl_ellie> Good afternoon.
[20:23] <nerdygirl_ellie> At some point in the last few updates, pressing the power button on my laptop has ceased to bring up the log out/turn off/reboot/lock screen window.  Can anyone here confirm if it still works for them before I open a ticket?
[20:24] <nerdygirl_ellie> If it's relevant, my system HH Alpha upgraded from GG from FF from EE.
[20:32] <Assid> i did a booboo
[20:40] <kingrayray> firefox 3 is crashing a lot today lol
[20:41] <Assid> i did a big mistake
[20:42] <kingrayray> what did you do?
[20:42] <Assid> i moved my desktop back to windows..
[20:42] <Assid> and the fonts suck
[20:42] <kingrayray> that certainly is a big mistake
[20:42] <Assid> soo freaking "HARD"
[20:42] <Assid> so now i got a headache
[20:42] <Assid> and i cant move back to linux
[20:42] <Assid> so im kinda in a mess
[20:43] <Assid> oh yeah.. against all odds, linux supports my hardware better than windows does
[20:43] <Assid> so the next person who speaks to me and tells me linux hardware issues.. im gonna kick their ass
[20:44] <Assid> i needed 8mb "drivers"  for my printer
[20:44] <Hydrogen> yes, because obviously your experiences are the only experiences to ever matter
[20:45] <Assid> well.. not saying there are issues. but seriously.. when ym webcam decides to work better.. my printer works PnP.. you go get annoyed
[20:46] <Assid> webcam refresh rates were so messed up.. almost a second + of lag. and thats local
[20:47] <Assid> anwyasy.. forget all that
[21:50] <lucasvo> I heard that parallels workstation is available for ubuntu. will it also be available on hardy heron as soon as it's released? does anyone know where I can find more information?
[21:54] <nerdygirl_ellie> At some point in the last few updates, pressing the power button on my laptop has ceased to bring up the log out/turn off/reboot/lock screen window.  Can anyone here confirm if it still works for them before I open a ticket?
[21:54] <nerdygirl_ellie> lucasvo: I have heard the rumor as well, but can't find any real info on it.
[21:58] <nerdygirl_ellie> Hi!  My power button doesn't pull up the "shut down" menu anymore.  Can someone on HH try it and see if it pulls up the menu for them?  I don't know if I broke something or I need to open a ticket.
[22:09] <Adys> nerdygirl_ellie: Works fine here
[22:10] <Adys> check System -> Preferences -> Power Management
[22:10] <nerdygirl_ellie> Adys: Thanks.  I must have broken something.... When was your last apt-get update/grade cycle?
[22:10] <Adys> doublecheck in the general tab, When the power button is pressed
[22:10] <Adys> about 15 mins ago
[22:11] <nerdygirl_ellie> Curious.  My power button action is still set to "ask me".
[22:11] <Adys> try set it to something else and back again
[22:11] <nerdygirl_ellie> Nope.  Oh well.
[22:12] <Adys> Cant be much more help. Reboot and if you manage to reproduce it, file a bug
[22:17] <nerdygirl_ellie> Thanks Adys
[22:25] <gil> Hi hi - anybody know if we're going to see the new style applications menu any time soon?
[22:30] <DigitalNinja> I'm trying to get a Bluetooth headset working in Hardy. My Belken USB Bluetooth adapter was working but now it doesn't. When I plug it in and run lsusb I get nothing. When I remove it lsusb works. What's going on here?
[22:38] <Lennybuntu> hi guys.. weird thing just happened.  I'm running hardy alpha on my laptop.. I just downloaded the updates, rebooted, and now my screen is set to its dimmest setting.  When i use the function keys to adjust the brightness, it gets brighter as I turn it down, like the settings are reversed.  any thoughts?
[22:39] <Amaranth> Whoa, you have an LCD that emits darkons
[22:39] <Amaranth> Sorry, had to say it :)
[22:39] <Lennybuntu> heh :)
[22:40] <Lennybuntu> also, the screen keeps automatically jumping back to full brightness (or should I say dimness) after about 1 minute
[22:43] <Amaranth> yeah, gnome-power-manager is funny like that
[22:43] <Amaranth> it's probably the "Dim on idle" setting doing that last bit
[22:45] <crimsun_> Lennybuntu: known, fixed in hal.
[22:45] <crimsun_> (not available in hardy yet)
[22:45] <Lennybuntu> awesome, thanks.
[22:52] <crimsun_> hmph, this is silly.  I can't tell if linux, xserver-xorg-video-intel, mesa, compiz, compiz-fusion-plugins-{main,extra} is to blame for these glitches with compiz.
[22:52] <ethana2> it's very unlikely to be the kernel
[22:52] <ethana2> and mesa can't even run compiz
[22:53] <ethana2> if it is the plugins, disable them one by one and see if anything changes
[22:53] <crimsun_> ethana2: I can't rule out the recent i915+drm updates in linux.
[22:53] <ethana2> oh
[22:53] <ethana2> I see
[22:53] <ethana2> turn on dtrace
[22:53] <ethana2> oh wait
[22:54] <ethana2> yeah.........  do we even have dtrace yet?
[22:54] <crimsun_> systemtap won't really help here; I'd need a serial console and kdump.
[22:54] <ethana2> well good luck..
[22:55] <crimsun_> meh, it's simple to work around.  Disable compiz.
[22:55] <ethana2> does metacity have compositing merged yet?
[22:55] <ethana2> i mainly just use compiz to kill all visual tearing and enable 2d translucency
[22:55] <Amaranth> ethana2: mesa can run compiz
[22:55] <ethana2> it can??
[22:56] <Amaranth> ethana2: and yes, metacity has a compositor
[22:56] <Amaranth> a simple xrender-based one
[22:56] <ethana2> what, are you on an octal core CPU?
[22:56] <crimsun_> metacity (1:2.21.5-0ubuntu1) hardy.
[22:56] <ethana2> does it perform well?
[22:56] <crimsun_> "- This version support composite, its off by default"
[22:56] <Amaranth> ethana2: i didn't say it could run it well
[22:56] <ethana2> oh, ok
[22:56] <Amaranth> ethana2: if you have decent renderaccel
[22:56] <Amaranth> So no if you have an r300 or newer, I guess
[22:56] <ethana2> it'll be nice to unify all that with gallium...
[22:56] <Amaranth> Yes if you have nvidia or intel
[22:57] <ethana2> make life so much simpler
[22:57] <Amaranth> and actually last time i checked mesa's software implementation of texture_from_pixmap was actually broken
[22:57] <Amaranth> so you get white windows or some such thing
[22:57] <Amaranth> but it does start
[22:58] <Amaranth> thus the driver whitelist ;)
[23:05] <gil> Is anybody here using the binary nonfree Nvidia driver that can check something for me before I report it as a bug?
[23:10] <LjL> guerby: hi
[23:11] <slipttees> hey
[23:11] <slipttees> rene@ubuntu:~$ sudo su
[23:11] <slipttees> sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu
[23:11] <slipttees> rene@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get update
[23:11] <slipttees> sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu
[23:11] <slipttees> ??
[23:16] <slipttees> hello
[23:16] <slipttees> someone can help :S
[23:16] <slipttees> i can't using gnome-terminal :-(
[23:24] <slipttees> hello
[23:25] <Laser87> slipttees: install xterm^^
[23:26] <scizzo-> slipttees: what do you mean with not being able to use the terminal?
[23:26] <slipttees> rene@ubuntu:~$ sudo gedit /etc/hosts
[23:26] <slipttees> sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu
[23:27] <slipttees> :-(
[23:27] <scizzo-> slipttees: sounds like a completely new user...
[23:27] <slipttees> ok
[23:27] <Pici> slipttees: I've already explained to you what you need to do in #ubuntu
[23:27] <scizzo-> slipttees: or you are using the live CD?
[23:27] <slipttees> scizzo-: i'm using hardy
[23:27] <slipttees> :-)
[23:27] <Pici> slipttees: Why?
[23:27] <slipttees> Pici: ok ok
[23:28] <Pici> !hardy | slipttees
[23:28] <slipttees> i can't waiting :d
[23:28] <ubotu> slipttees: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[23:28] <slipttees> Pici: i can't waiting for due april 208 :D
[23:29] <slipttees> ops
[23:29] <slipttees> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[23:29] <slipttees> :-(
[23:29] <scizzo-> slipttees: then you should also no that there is no garantee for it to work properly right?
[23:29] <Pici> Hardy is NOT meant for new users.
[23:30] <slipttees> i'm not new user ;-)
[23:30] <slipttees> 4.10 has using :D
[23:31] <scizzo-> anyone heard anything about firefox3 beta 4 yet?
[23:32] <Arwen> has anyone else noticed that the "Monitor/Display" control panel in KDE doesn't work anymore?
[23:34] <ethana2> scizzo-: yes
[23:34] <ethana2> they're doing a quality test friday from 7 to 5.. don't know what time zone
[23:34] <ethana2> it should be out saturday or sunday
[23:35] <scizzo-> nice
[23:35] <ethana2> i eagerly await it
[23:35] <ethana2> the first thing I'm going to do with it is take it to acid3
[23:37] <scizzo-> well lets hope it gets a good review