[00:09] Why doesn't Ubuntu have any default templates in ~/.templates? [00:10] I always delete those anyway [00:11] Dr_willis: A blank text file, a blank OpenOffice document... installing the Eclipse package should add a Java template, and so on... [00:11] Sure you could delete them, but I think it would be useful to have some stuff in there. [00:17] i find the users home dirs are getting way too cluttered these days [00:18] RyanPrior: packages shouldn't install stuff in ~. maybe they do put stuff in e.g. /usr/share/templates? [00:18] Does anyone know why the repositories dialog in Synaptic has been changed so much? [00:21] I thought ive seen a Examples in the users home dir Linked to /usr/Somthing/examples befor.. or similer [00:39] I have alpha 6 fever! :D [00:40] me too :D [00:40] cant wait [00:40] even though its future freeze [00:40] constantly refreshing the wiki page [00:40] so no cool new stuff [00:41] constantl apt-get update :p [00:41] think alpha6 is in 2 days [00:41] I tried alpha 5, loved it [00:41] yep, BUT I CANT WAIT MUST HAFV IT NOW! :D [00:41] ya alpha5 was good [00:41] :D [00:42] \o/ [00:43] can you upgrade to 6 from inside 5 or do you have to start over? [00:44] I tend to just format and start over [00:48] March 6th -- Alpha 6 [00:48] Aeroraptor-M, you can upgrade [00:48] mooboo1, ah, coolness [01:04] hi [01:05] where can i check for new stuff included in Hardy [01:18] wow, Galga waited 189 seconds for an answer before leaving [01:21] a new record [01:31] Long-term-discussions. :) [01:31] when it takes 3 hrs for someone to reply to your 'hi!' :) [01:37] just curious, when I look at the release schedule all the releases seem to be labeled as alpha builds. Is there a reason none are listed as beta? [01:37] I thoght we went from alpha to rc, for 'release canidate' [01:38] there's a beta release scheduled for 2008-03-20 [01:39] (but not noted in the Notes column) [01:39] yes i see the rc. I guess I'm asking is why none listed as beta [01:39] rc is 2008-04-17 [01:39] ah yes i see [01:39] i was looking at the notes column [01:40] i find it easier to just wait till 2 weeks after the thing is officially released to worry about the next release. :) [01:40] but here i am testingit out.. heh [01:41] sometimes, i grab it early. I think for gutsy, i just waited a couple of weeks afterwards, but some features i'm liking in this release [01:41] what gives me pause in updating early is the issue with certain cdrom drives and the supposed instability of the new gnome vfs [01:42] I wonder if the samba/network share browsing stuff has gotten fixed yet. havnt updated in 4 days.. [01:42] thats the only issue ive seen. [01:43] but i aint been doing a lot with it [01:52] not sure. i'll probably wait for the next alpha at least before giving it a try [01:52] some more people problems with ATI + AIGLX the last weeks? [01:52] my X crashes when using it [01:53] this brother printer is driving me insane [01:53] DCP-7020 [01:53] it's fully supported with gpl code [01:53] but it not only doesn't Just Work [01:54] it just doesn't work [01:54] it's trying to use the driver for the dcp-7025 [01:54] does any of the 182 people in here have a brother printer? [01:55] nope. [01:55] we all use canon [01:55] j/k [01:55] i would expect you to use HP [01:55] I dont own a printer actually... I'm part of the digital revolution. [01:55] i wish i could be too [01:55] my mom uses paper [01:55] paper is so 1999. [01:56] yes it needs to die [01:56] in the mean time.. [01:56] well what is your brother problem? [01:56] i want a tablet [01:56] cant get cups to recognize it? [01:56] the dcp-7020 doesn't work [01:56] it just.. refuses to function [01:56] and because it has fully open drivers, i would expect it to Just Work [01:57] it's not even in the printer list though [01:57] is it reasonable to upgrade to hardy by changing my sources.list and running apt-get update? [01:57] http://localhost:631/admin <--- you doing it that route? [01:57] so it tells me to use the stuff for the dcp-7025 instead [01:57] TheArthur - sure. [01:57] no, I'll try that [01:59] it sees it [01:59] seems to identify it correctly [01:59] ...sent test page annndd.... [02:00] printer does nothing, but the job is reported as done [02:00] all my print jobs are silently failing [02:03] ok, how do i print via terminal to diagnose this? [02:05] Error: no "print" mailcap rules found [02:06] that error is universal over formats [02:06] how do I fix that? [02:14] sounds like a job for google ethana2 [02:15] how do you specify a range of ports in UFW? [02:26] finally found it [02:26] it'd be nice if Ubuntu would do this by itself though [02:26] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4026344#post4026344 [02:28] TheArthur: or use update-manager -d [02:28] anyone... can you specify a port range in UFW? [03:02] is there any problem with busybox update? I don't want to do the update before I know that there is no problems with it. :) [03:05] hi guys, you may remember me from the movie "I DONT HAVE WIRELESS" 1 and 2 [03:05] but seriously, I don't [03:05] iwl3945abg [03:06] I heard that the led was not working [03:06] but I don't get working the network even the led :( [03:06] how can I know which version of the driver do I have? === Jacob is now known as jacob [03:41] hey guys, i'm seeing a *very* sluggish machine after upgrading to hardy. it's a core2 @ 1.83ghz, 2GB DDR2 ram, SATA HDD, i915 chipset with compiz enabled ... everything is slow, but it's especially noticable switching between windows [03:41] xdriinfo reports i915 on screen 0 [03:42] hey were do i download Hardy Heron Alpha [03:45] efren20: are u running gutsy [03:51] yes [03:51] found another solution problem is i need to compile my ipod or something like that can you help me> [04:00] efren20: probably not a good idea to run Hardy to solve your iPod problem--though libgpod is 0.6.0, it is still early alpha; I posted a link in #ubuntu for you to follow on how to get that going. [04:01] CarlFK: did you try pxe boot and live mode? [04:01] Kano: not yet. still have your notes in my pxe/default though [04:01] Kano: I did just figure out how to pxe boot qemu [04:02] i guess you need a tun device, i usually use virtual box with internal emulated net [04:03] is there any drawing program where you draw something and could make it live like walk fire etc... [04:04] i wrote a script that configures the tftpboot dir (i even enabled a text menu) [04:04] and support live-helper + casper images [04:05] pretty tricky, also setups tftpd and dnsmasq [04:05] http://kanotix.com/files/fix/casper-terminalserver/casper-terminalserver.sh [04:05] if you run that in live mode [04:05] any idea how one pxe boot can boot a 2nd pxe/default [04:06] efren20: you mean animation software? [04:06] yes [04:06] you only need ot change the DEVICE line to point to the currently not used device which is connected to the clients [04:06] for ubuntu 7.10 gusty gnome [04:06] or anything that works in it idc [04:06] 8.04 hardly hobgoblin? [04:07] CarlFK: well you could define a file for each client [04:08] mac address or ip adress based [04:08] efren20: I don't know of anything that would be specific to Hardy Heron (this channel is about future versions of Ubuntu; general Ubuntu questions should be posted to the #ubuntu channel) [04:09] Kano: same client. my default file is getting pretty big, and I would rather not have to merge other defaults into it [04:09] Doing a quick freshmeat search on "animation" (http://www.freshmeat.net/?q=animation ) shows 119 projects [04:09] But many are like MPlayer (irrelevant to creating your own) [04:09] heh [04:10] Might take a look at Blender; I've heard good things about it. [04:10] check out blender - i think it does... that. [04:10] CarlFK: did you ever try to define another file via pxelinux.configfile? just look into the syslinux doc files [04:11] no. i gave up too quick - eaiser to just cut/paste into one big file.... [04:11] Gifsicle (command line tool for creating ... GIFs and animations [04:12] As for as I know the usual technique ... just using things like the GIMP is to make your base image ... then copy it, modify the copy ... and so on; and I guess some people use morphing software to automate some of the transitions from one animation cel to another [04:14] Blender would do [04:15] GIMP allows you to have multiple layers, so you can have one image on a layer and work on the new cell frame on a different layer (which can be partially "faded out" while you work, just for your reference and is masked away completely when you save the new cel/frame. [04:15] But I honestly have no experience in animation and very little in graphics work in general [04:17] I see there are several #blender* channels here on Freenode; and presumably there's at least one #gimp channel, too === Mark_Milliman is now known as Mark_M|Away [04:21] what version of X does hardy use? [04:21] 7.3 i think [04:22] hmm [04:22] anyone know if 8.04 hardy will have OO.0 2.4 [04:23] i'm being affected by this bug http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10674 and it says it's been fixed upstream. That would mean that 7.3 probably fixes it, right? [04:23] Wine bug 10674 in directx-d3d "Wine Unhandled Page Fault with i965 video driver" [Major,Closed: invalid] === boomer` is now known as boomer === Mark_M|Away is now known as Mark_Milliman === Mark_Milliman is now known as Mark_M|Away [05:11] i reported a bug [05:18] 198110 "Fix Released" - how long does it take for that fix to migrate to us.archive.u.c? [05:20] I am trying to install my printer on Gutsy but it requires the latest version of HPLIP which is not present in Gutsy but is there in Hardy, any pointers on what I should do ? [05:22] is your goal to print or find bugs? [05:22] to print [05:22] then you should wait [05:22] oh [05:22] what if I install the newever version of HPLIP from source? [05:23] then I should not expect things to work smoothly I guess [05:23] depends on if you do it right [05:24] is gdesklets broken for anyone else? [05:26] phax, you could also upgrade but not recommended if you dont feel like looking for bugs and fixing/help fix them [05:29] i'm not looking for bugs, they seem to find me [05:30] serious question: why is everything with strange bugs written in python? is there something about the language the lends itself to brokenness? [05:31] Nuke_: it might be because most of the things being written use python [05:31] would you expect to find a cobol bug? [05:32] IdleOne, thanks understand. [05:34] all complaining aside, is it just incompatibility? new versions of python break old code? [05:37] Nuke_: you have it backwards [05:38] buggy code is buggy? [05:38] it is easy to use, so it is used for most things. [05:38] more code = more bugs [05:39] no, easier to use = more bugs because more people are writing it without understanding proper coding methodologies [05:39] would it be possible to install xorg 7.3 from hardy on my gutsy install? [05:39] hdevalence: No. [05:39] if everything was writtin in basic, then the bugs would be in code written in basic [05:40] RAOF: so I would need to use hardy? [05:40] hdevalence: Pretty much, yes. [05:40] gah [05:40] i want battlefield 2142 to work, and there's a bug that's fixed in 7.3 that stops it :( [05:41] CarlFK: yet there are far more parts of the system written in c/c++ than python, and look where the bugs are popping up [05:41] hydrogen: otoh, there is something to be said for easy to use languages [05:42] there's an age effect; the python code is newer, by and large, hence buggier [05:42] I think it's important to not be too unfriendly to people who are learning [05:42] the language that is [05:42] hydrogen: ubuntu stuff is mostly writtten in python. the C stuff is from other sources, and mostly debugged [05:43] exactly [05:43] buggy code is buggy [05:43] python encourages buggy code by being so loose [05:43] unless its unit tested ;) [05:43] I've found using c++ w/ qt is very nice [05:45] compiler errors are annoying, but you learn from them, I've found [05:51] python encourages buggy code by being worse-is-bettery, you mean? [05:51] not sure how to interpret that "loose" [05:51] it sleeps around [05:51] :/ === Mark_M|Away is now known as Mark_Milliman === smurfslover is now known as smurfslover|Away === Mark_Milliman is now known as Mark_M|Away [06:15] hey [06:15] I want to get involved [06:15] don't really know where to start [06:26] !contribute | GhotiPhud [06:26] GhotiPhud: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [06:26] Fish food, eh? [06:27] haha, yes [06:27] /j #ubuntu [06:27] I'm interested in the "screens and graphics" program [06:28] /join #ubuntu [06:28] I can never seem to get it to work right [06:28] so I'd like to take a look at it [06:28] don't really know where to pick up the latest version [06:28] git? [06:28] svn? [06:29] not sure how all that works [06:30] GhotiPhud: you might be better served in #ubuntu-devel, or even #ubuntu-motu [06:30] okay, I'll look there, thanks Flannel === Mark_M|Away is now known as Mark_Milliman [07:31] Oh hey, something interesting: suspend on nvidia works better if you have a script call glxinfo before suspend. [07:31] It seems odd, but it seems to help for god-only-knows what reason. === Mark_Milliman is now known as Mark_M|Away [08:08] Running glxinfo probably puts the card in some 'sane' state [08:08] by going through the whole feature list and testing things === Mark_M|Away is now known as Mark_Milliman [08:21] "unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-deamon'. this could indicate a problem with Bonobo..." | 2.6.24-11-generic | gnome 2.21.92 | celeron 2.0 [08:21] for all the crap people are posting on planet ubuntu about NIN's ghosts, im currently of the opinion that it's about worth what they're charging for it === Mark_Milliman is now known as Mark_M|Away [08:28] !away [08:28] You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users. (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.) The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away " to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines» === Mark_M|Away is now known as Mark_Milliman === Mark_Milliman is now known as Mark_M|Away [09:29] is there a channel for kubuntu+1 (kde4)? [09:30] Nubae: #kubuntu-kde4 or #ubuntu+1 [09:30] here or there is good, but kde4 specific probably better in #kubuntu-kde4 [09:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> LP:#192310 [09:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> bug 192310 [09:57] Launchpad bug 192310 in hyphen "package openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/myspell/dicts/hyph_en_US.dic', which is also in package openoffice.org-hyphenation" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192310 [10:13] who owns ubotu ? wake him up [10:52] Hi all .. I recently fired up Alpha 5 (server amd64) and have found two things that I didn't see in the bugs .. Most annoyingly is the lack of bash_completion for application names (directories fine but something like sudo aptit inst smartmon just beeps). [10:53] second is the ubuntu-keychain keeps erroring out. I assume this is something that's in work, but I thought I would mention it. [10:56] NineTeen, tab completion for apps works fine for me [10:58] Nubae: hum .. it's dead in the water for my gOS box too .. [10:58] * NineTeen67Comet what'd I do? [10:58] type of keyboard maybe? [10:59] I dunno, there are two diff boards. Tab works for stuff like "sudo nano -w /etc/mun/mun" .. but aptitude just isn't hangin' with Mr. Cooper .. [11:00] neither is apt-get [11:00] It'll work if I don't toss sudo in the mix . [11:06] anyone else lost sound with the 2.6.24-11 upgrade? [11:31] where is #ubuntu [11:31] ? [11:31] iceman: [11:32] ? [11:32] !channel [11:32] Sorry, I don't know anything about channel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [11:32] iceman: /j #ubuntu [11:32] !support [11:32] The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org [11:32] k [11:32] iceman: it is there === tdoggette is now known as tdoggette_away [12:46] hi guys... i'm having a problem with hardy heron... i installed hardy alpha 5 and i can't change the resolution on Monitor & Display under System Settings... [12:46] anybody also having this problem? [12:48] You did install the drivers for your video card? [12:48] I recall seeing that i could change those only after i install my nvidia drivers. [12:50] the message I get is: "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded" [12:51] i'm not sure if it's related to my video card driver [12:51] Well if you have a nvidia card. Install the nvidia drivers for it. And try agin. I will try here.. and check Other then that.. I got no idea, [12:52] So... you have installed alpha 5 and you can change the resolution with no problems? [12:52] system -> perferances -> screen res. works here. [12:52] I am using a nvidia card. [12:52] I am update/upgrading right now. :) [12:53] well the applet works at least. its not changeing the res. [12:53] of course I normally use the actual nvidia control panel tool. === smurfslover is now known as smurfslover|Away [12:55] ppl of #ubuntu has redirected me to other channel... [12:55] i was asking HOW ubuntu does to include the acx100 firmwares directly on the iso [12:56] since these firmwares are NOT allowed to be redistributed [12:57] It may be they have an exception, or some agreement. I would think the ubuntu forums would have an area on this. [12:57] it is not explained anywhere ? :/ [13:01] Dr_Willis: I can change the resolution using another program... Now i'm using 1024 x 768... but the module on KDE doesn't work. [13:02] The console output displays an error message... something wrong with displayconfig.py [13:03] theres a lot of issues it seems lately with some of the python parts [13:06] but try this later... installing alpha 5 and then trying to change the resolution on System Settings / Monitor & Display... I also tried updating everything with apt-get dist-upgrade... Still doesn't work [13:07] but that's fine... the resolution can be changed using another program... [13:08] sounds to me like its possibially related to the various python stuff i saw last week. [13:08] but what do i know.. :) im trying to figure out why smbfuse isent working [13:09] Hmm.. Everytime i mount somthing with the fuse tools. Gnome is auto poping up a file manager window for the new mountpoint. [13:10] You're right... it's related to python... i get lots of error messages in the console... this displayconfig.py file has some problems [13:11] a python 2.5 error here [13:11] yep [13:12] no complaints though really; much faster than gutsy by far [13:12] anyone else tryed the fusesmb tool under hardy yet? its seems to been broke now for the last.. err.. month or more.. [13:13] will try it--what does it do? [13:13] it lets you mount samba (or windows) shares on the fly. makes the whole network-neighborhood appear as a local directory [13:13] I got a wiki page done on it. :) let me find the url [13:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb [13:14] well I could get windows in a vm; Dr_Willis [13:14] bazhang, heh :) it will show local machine shares also. [13:15] but I just googled for that wiki page and NOW i found some bug reports on it.. i dident find any bug reports on fusesmb when i was at the bug tracker site just befor that.. [13:15] odd.. [13:15] about the monitor & display problem: i found this [13:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/173768 [13:15] Launchpad bug 173768 in kde-guidance "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded." [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:16] Apparently this monitor & display problem is well known [13:26] Dr_Willis: okay; will do! will let you know in the next day ;] [13:26] bazhang, i submited a but. found a similer bug mentioned by someone for the 7.10 release. [13:26] a bug even :) [13:27] i wonder if its gnome/kde related.. brb. I may as well trouble shoot this some more [13:28] haha okay will then go directly and confirm it then Dr_Willis ;] [13:28] Dr_Willis: What's the advantage by using this fusesmb? SMB is working fine on my alpha 5... Dolphin displays my shared folders and drives, no problem... [13:28] Heck i couldbe doing somthing STUPID.. but i did write that fusesmb wiki. [13:28] toter, it shows the whole network of shares in a single local directory (is how the programs see it) [13:29] if a new machine connects.. its shares show up. :) [13:29] when one leaves.. the shares vanish. [13:29] oh... ok... i'm still learning :) [13:30] all the shares appear as a local directory, so nothing special needs to be done to let programs access the data files. Similer to how you 'mount' shares. but this is at a user level. thats what FUSE does - is let the users do what used to be root type tasks. :0 [13:30] hi there [13:30] The whole FUSE system.. is.. sort of amazing. [13:30] :) [13:31] how can I install ubuntu 8.04 via terminal [13:31] ? [13:31] you can't [13:31] it's not releases yet [13:31] released [13:31] not sure what you mean 'via terminal' [13:32] I'm booting from the live cd [13:32] ok [13:32] The live cd - has a gui installer., isent there an alternative installer cd out yet? [13:32] alternative installer cd - has the text based installer. [13:32] and I'm sellecting option 2 [13:32] that it says install ubuntu [13:33] and it boots in a terminal [13:34] If I try option 1 I have problems with my VGA [13:37] can anyone help me ? [13:38] does anyone know how to connect a hardy desktop to a hardy server ? [13:39] anyone ? someone? [13:40] binaries-APP: You need to explain a bit further, its a bit of a vague question. [13:40] same lan? [13:41] i have a hardy desktop installed on my lappy. i would like to use it to controll an older machine, on which i have installed the hardy server [13:41] they are on the same network [13:41] ssh? [13:41] you want to ssh into the server? [13:41] yes , ssh was what i have found a bit of info on [13:42] however when i attempt to connect to port 22 ( default?) the connection is refused ,even when provided with the reight login info [13:43] you did INSTALL the sshd deamon/server? [13:43] the server is cleanly installed, with all of the server options :D [13:43] aka lamp , mail, ssh .... the list [13:44] i believe there is an alternative that is already built into the 8.04 distro [13:44] You could check the logs.. /var/log/auth (i think) [13:45] You sure ssh is installed ? :) try 'ssh localhost' perhaps as a test. [13:45] in the gui ( desktop ) there is an option to connect to a server, w. the option to scan the network for a server >negative [13:45] !info openssh-server hardy [13:45] openssh-server (source: openssh): secure shell server, an rshd replacement. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.7p1-4ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 244 kB, installed size 644 kB [13:46] binaries-APP: What application are you using to 'connect to server'? are you using ssh? [13:46] yes [13:47] wow the auth.log file - has about 20+ lines of logging each time i ssh in. [13:47] theres a gui for it too no ? [13:47] A gui? No? ssh is command line. [13:47] gui for ssh? I just upen up a terminal and do 'ssh whatever' [13:47] in the desktop its under places>connect to server [13:47] thats a sftp type thing. i belive [13:48] and it was Not working for me - i think theres a bug with it [13:49] There have been some gvfs bugs abound recently. [13:49] ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused [13:49] binaries-APP: Why are you connecting to localhost? [13:49] localhost is whatever computer you are running the command on. [13:50] basic trouble shooting wins again. :) [13:50] talk about a noob :D [13:50] ps ax | grep sshd [13:50] see if sshd is really running? [13:51] if he cant connect to localhost.. then.. well nothing else is going to connect either. [13:51] ssh: connect to host 127.0.1.1 port 22: Connection refused [13:51] binaries-APP: 127.0.1.1 is an alias for localhost. [13:52] if its not even running, you might want to try 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server ' just in case it some how dident get installed properly. [13:52] ps ax > sshd is running [13:52] Dr_Willis: I'm assuming that he doesnt have the ssh server running on the 'client' computer [13:52] has anyone used hamachi on hardy? [13:52] Pici, :) good point. :) i always got ssh on all the machines. [13:52] Dr_Willis: Me too ;) [13:52] i saw something like that somewhere but it only reminded me of japan [13:53] of course he could walk over to the ssh server and try that command. :) [13:54] i have both machines infront of me [13:54] DR_willis: what was that command? [13:55] the ssh localhost command you just used? [13:56] go to the machines thats the ssh server, and try 'ssh localhost' see if you can connect locally. [13:56] if you can connect locally, but not remotely, then either theres some firewall rules, or other stuff blocking the connection [13:57] Or you aren't connecting to the correct address [13:58] brb the phones ringing [13:58] Yea. Be sure to try with the IP OF THE SERVER. :) [13:58] not just its name. [13:59] bye all.. good luck [14:12] hey i found some wiki on ssh, gonna digg that first, thanks for the points [14:12] peace [14:15] In /etc/network/interfaces, I have a bridge defined with "bridge_ports eth0". This works fine -- the bridge comes up and adds eth0 -- but eth0 is also separately started and has its own dhclient run, although it isn't defined in the interfaces file at all (except as a member of br0). Where should I be looking at to understand what's going on? [14:19] hi, i got wine 0.9.56 but sound does not work, do anyone have the same prob? [14:26] where do I learn to how to resolve dependencies with apt? === Mark_M|Away is now known as Mark_Milliman === Stormx2_ is now known as Stormx2 [15:32] hi [15:32] should i upgrad now, or is it to unstable for my main system ^? === lubos1 is now known as lubosz [15:34] it's a testing version still; your ability to recover / reinstall after massive errors will probably dictate your choice [15:34] i dont know of any [15:34] (massive errors) [15:34] but if you don't have a liveCD or anything handy already, it could be quite painful [15:35] hm, i upgraded to feisty in july, it was still alpha last release ^ [15:35] i wanted just to change the repos and do a dist-upgrade [15:36] my system has a long lifetime already, not going to change that :D === sourcode_ is now known as sourocde [15:36] ubuntu studio 7.04 => ubuntu 7.10 in july ^ [15:36] you'll miss important stuff that way, since it seems the gui upgrader contains some extra special magic that isn't in any particular package [15:36] personally, i keep around two installs on my laptop [15:37]