| TheMuso | Well well well. I got accessibility working from wubi, with a little command-line hackery. Need to try it without hackery first, to make sure it isn't a flook.! :) | 05:19 |
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| evand | TheMuso: you managed to fix the command line getting truncated at 256 bytes bug? | 06:10 |
| TheMuso | evand: Not quite. I switched the access=* around with the -- | 06:11 |
| TheMuso | The -- means nothing, so as long as access=* comes before that, we should be fine., | 06:11 |
| evand | My understanding was that anything after the -- was carried over to the installed system. | 06:11 |
| TheMuso | Just confirmed it without touching a thing. Gets truncated at access= | 06:11 |
| evand | indeed, I haven't found a fix for that yet. | 06:11 |
| TheMuso | Hrm right. | 06:12 |
| TheMuso | Its probably an internal kernel thing I'm guessing. | 06:12 |
| evand | I believe it's grub4dos, as the problem does not exist outside of Wubi. | 06:12 |
| TheMuso | Alternatively, have you considered putting a lot of the stuff thats currently on the command line, into a file, instead of on the command-line? Stuff like locale, keyboard, etc. | 06:13 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 06:13 |
| evand | indeed grub4dos has the kernel command line statically set to 256 bytes, but we patched it to match regular grub. The problem still exists however. | 06:13 |
| TheMuso | Yeah you said as much. | 06:13 |
| evand | TheMuso: I imagine those options are carried over from when Wubi used the alternate CD | 06:13 |
| evand | But that would be a nice temporary workaround. | 06:14 |
| TheMuso | evand: Right, because thats another option, and I think wubi should detect what CD is being used, and act accordingly/// | 06:14 |
| evand | I don't believe it even uses the alternate CD anymore. | 06:14 |
| TheMuso | Ah ok. | 06:14 |
| TheMuso | Makes sense. | 06:15 |
| evand | I'll mention the idea of moving the locale and keyboard into the preseed file to Ago tomorrow (er, later today :) ) | 06:16 |
| TheMuso | Ok, because I think its our best bet, as they really don't need to be on the command-line, IMO. | 06:17 |
| evand | indeed, though I'd still like to fix that bug as it's eventually going to bite us again, I imagine. | 06:17 |
| TheMuso | Likely enough, yes. | 06:18 |
| superm1 | cjwatson, could you tell me what part of d-i is causing this stub to come up? http://imagebin.org/14534 | 07:32 |
| superm1 | we don't need language support in our alternate disk (and languages are not in our seeds), so it'd be more ideal for that to not show | 07:32 |
| cjwatson | superm1: that's pkgsel; preseed pkgsel/install-language-support to true or false (I assume false) to get rid of it | 08:34 |
| cjwatson | 256 bytes> odd, the kernel has #define COMMAND_LINE_SIZE 2048 | 08:36 |
| tjaalton | cjwatson: is there something missing that prevents using relatime by default? didn't we decide that it would be good to have?-) | 09:20 |
| cjwatson | mostly, a technical difficulty inside partman with regard to picking any default mount options | 09:26 |
| cjwatson | might be able to do something though | 09:27 |
| tjaalton | cjwatson: partman-base? | 09:31 |
| cjwatson | no, a mix of other partman-* | 09:32 |
| cjwatson | p.s. please don't reassign stuff to plain 'partman' - it doesn't exist | 09:32 |
| cjwatson | I'll have a look at it | 09:33 |
| tjaalton | yeah, there was some bug recently.. | 09:33 |
| cjwatson | I know, I've got it here | 09:34 |
| tjaalton | ah so it was exactly this one :) | 09:34 |
| tjaalton | duh | 09:34 |
| * tjaalton handles too many bugs.. | 09:34 | |
| tjaalton | anyway, thanks for having a stab at it | 09:36 |
| CIA-24 | user-setup: cjwatson * r99 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog functions.sh): | 10:15 |
| CIA-24 | user-setup: * Make is_system_user always return false if OVERRIDE_SYSTEM_USER is set | 10:15 |
| CIA-24 | user-setup: (LP: #153310). | 10:15 |
| CIA-24 | user-setup: cjwatson * r100 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.16ubuntu5 | 10:19 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: cjwatson * r424 oem-config/ (debian/changelog scripts/user-setup-wrapper): | 10:25 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: * Allow user creation even if a non-system user already exists (thanks, | 10:25 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: Torsten Spindler; LP: #153310). | 10:25 |
| * cjwatson blinks | 10:56 | |
| cjwatson | 'EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "relatime" or missing value' | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | I thought we had all the support we needed? | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | oh, maybe mount is supposed to translate it | 10:57 |
| xivulon | what this the max strlen for the kernel commandline options? | 11:06 |
| xivulon | seems to be 2048, but I still get a truncated string at 256, evand had a patch for grub4dos | 11:10 |
| xivulon | will need to recheck my testing rig | 11:11 |
| cjwatson | as far as the kernel itself goes I believe it is 2048; there are several places along the way it could be truncated though | 11:13 |
| CIA-24 | partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r666 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog free_space/new/do_option): | 13:15 |
| CIA-24 | partman-partitioning: * When creating a new filesystem, set the default mount options to the | 13:15 |
| CIA-24 | partman-partitioning: contents of /lib/partman/mountoptions/${fs}_defaults if it exists | 13:15 |
| CIA-24 | partman-partitioning: (LP: #160450). | 13:15 |
| CIA-24 | partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r667 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 54ubuntu3 | 13:16 |
| CIA-24 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r892 ubuntu/debian/changelog: * No-change rebuild to pick up new components (busybox 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12). | 13:32 |
| CIA-24 | partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r556 ubuntu/ (mountoptions/ext2_defaults debian/changelog): * Default to mounting ext2 with relatime (LP: #160450). | 13:34 |
| evand | the kernel itself is 4096 on x86, iirc. | 14:06 |
| CIA-24 | partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r557 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog partman-basicfilesystems.templates): * Add Choices-C entries for mount options. | 14:07 |
| xivulon | do you rekon it is better to try to fix the truncation or do a workaround to shorten the cmdline? | 14:11 |
| xivulon | I mean, of course the first option is better, but not sure what sort of work is involved (wrt "several places"). | 14:12 |
| evand | I think we should go with the workaround anyway (as discussed in PM, we're not using the alternate CD), but continue to try and find the source of the bug. | 14:13 |
| evand | locale and layout can be preseeded in the preseed file on the desktop CD. The accessibility stuff needs to remain on the kernel cmdline though. | 14:14 |
| evand | As it's part of casper. | 14:14 |
| xivulon | I'd need "initrd" preseeding, in the sense that the settings are read in casper-premount off hard disk | 14:16 |
| xivulon | Do not think that any question is really needed before casper-premount | 14:17 |
| xivulon | might even be possible to pass accessibility stuff in there | 14:17 |
| xivulon | Also in lupin, we might want shorter aliases for "iso-scan/filename" and "debian-installer/custom-installation" | 14:18 |
| xivulon | I'd suggest "isoscan" and "c-i" | 14:18 |
| evand | The accessibility stuff has to be on the kernel cmdline, aiui. I don't think shorter aliases are necessary. Moving the locale and layout preseeded questions to a file should be sufficient. | 14:20 |
| xivulon | In my case locale/layout/variant are also in preseed, the preseed file is copied to initrd / during casper-premount and the options are imported in casper-bottom (iirc) | 14:21 |
| xivulon | ithat basically should be +/- equivalent to initrd preseeding | 14:22 |
| cjwatson | casper could process the accessibility stuff when reading the preseed file | 14:22 |
| xivulon | yes, that is something I was thinking | 14:22 |
| cjwatson | putting the locale in the preseed file doesn't actually work right now, I think, but could be made to | 14:23 |
| xivulon | as mentioned the preseed file is first seen in casper-premount but processed in casper-bottom | 14:23 |
| cjwatson | I would definitely recommend finding the source of the truncation; that causes all kinds of irritating problems | 14:24 |
| evand | I'm confused, are you saying we modify casper to do such a thing? Because the accessibility stuff isn't a debconf question. Also, I thought the locale in the preseed file worked as we're using the desktop CD and the preseed file doesn't get read until very late anyway. | 14:24 |
| tjaalton | syslinux should allow at least 512 chars | 14:24 |
| cjwatson | evand: oh, good point | 14:24 |
| evand | indeed, I shared that thought last night. | 14:24 |
| cjwatson | (not in debconf) | 14:24 |
| evand | I know it will bite us eventually :) | 14:25 |
| xivulon | I could grep out the relevant values from the preseed or another file and set things separately in pre-mount | 14:25 |
| evand | As it stands we're only two characters shy of fitting the whole thing, I don't think drastic measures are needed. Stripping out the debconf preseeds should be more than sufficient. | 14:26 |
| xivulon | cjwatson locale preseeding does not work, what about keyboard layout/variant? | 14:26 |
| xivulon | do I need commandline too for those | 14:26 |
| xivulon | evand I think we need a bit more than 2 chars, particularly if we want accessibility in there | 14:27 |
| xivulon | we now also have "noprompt" in there | 14:28 |
| evand | ah, I forgot about that. Still, that's 11 bytes. The debconf questions still cover that. | 14:28 |
| evand | the removal of them, that is. | 14:29 |
| xivulon | evand can you have a quick wubi run and let me know what things should be removed from commandline and what added to preseed? | 14:30 |
| evand | will do | 14:30 |
| xivulon | if you press esc at boot you also have options such as vebose mode ans safe graphic mode that may add a few bytes | 14:30 |
| xivulon | relevant files are /ubuntu/install/boot/grub/menu.lst and /ubuntu/install/custom-installation/preseed.cfg | 14:31 |
| evand | tjaalton: my suspicion is that it's grub4dos' fault. syslinux works fine, but wubi doesn't make use of it. | 14:32 |
| xivulon | ah | 14:32 |
| evand | cjwatson: so you suggested that I was correct about the accessibility stuff, but is there a problem with preseeding locale in a file for ubiquity that I'm not seeing? | 14:36 |
| tjaalton | evand: ah, right | 14:37 |
| cjwatson | evand: locale is configured in 14locales; preseed file is read in 24preseed and doesn't duplicate the work | 14:38 |
| cjwatson | it will preseed it successfully for ubiquity, probably, but not for the running live system | 14:38 |
| evand | ah, hrm. | 14:39 |
| xivulon | will send an email to bean123/tinybit | 14:47 |
| tjaalton | hmm, partman-auto/purge_lvm_from_device doesn't seem to work anymore, what's the replacement? | 14:48 |
| evand | The longest option is 298 bytes. Removing console-setup/layoutcode and console-setup/variant code brings us down to 243. | 15:13 |
| xivulon | will upload the changes tonight | 15:20 |
| evand | thanks | 15:22 |
| superm1 | cjwatson, thanks. would you mind merging that from the debian-cd branch at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/debian-cd/mythbuntu-debiancd/ | 15:26 |
| superm1 | then? | 15:26 |
| evand | which reminds me, I need to dig for those instructions now that I have my IRC server back up and running. | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | superm1: done | 15:30 |
| superm1 | thanks | 15:30 |
| superm1 | i might have a few more task related questions, but we'll see how the next daily pans out now | 15:31 |
| evand | cjwatson: what are your thoughts on having a wubi download link on ubuntu.com? | 16:00 |
| evand | personally I like the idea | 16:01 |
| xivulon | as mentioned at UDS, I'd be glad to donate/redirect wubi-installer.org domain | 16:01 |
| evand | as does xivulon :) | 16:01 |
| xivulon | ...and xivulon wife (most importantly)... | 16:01 |
| evand | heh | 16:02 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: evand * r425 oem-config/ (debian/changelog lib/frontend/gtk_ui.py lib/zoommap.py): * Port zoommap fixes from ubiquity. | 16:11 |
| CIA-24 | ubiquity: evand * r2537 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog debian/control): | 16:18 |
| CIA-24 | ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: choose-mirror | 16:18 |
| CIA-24 | ubiquity: 2.19ubuntu2, console-setup 1.21ubuntu4, localechooser 1.42ubuntu2, | 16:18 |
| CIA-24 | ubiquity: partman-base 114ubuntu3, partman-basicmethods 38ubuntu1, partman-jfs | 16:18 |
| CIA-24 | ubiquity: 25, partman-partitioning 54ubuntu3, partman-target 54ubuntu1, user- | 16:18 |
| CIA-24 | ubiquity: setup 1.16ubuntu5. | 16:18 |
| CIA-24 | ubiquity: evand * r2538 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.7.15 | 16:42 |
| CIA-24 | ubiquity: evand * r2539 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): Bump to 1.7.16 | 16:44 |
| evand | cjwatson: any objection to me putting out a new oem-config? | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | go ahead | 16:45 |
| evand | thanks, will do | 16:48 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: evand * r426 oem-config/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): | 16:49 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: * Automatic update of included source packages: console-setup | 16:49 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: 1.21ubuntu4, user-setup 1.16ubuntu5. | 16:49 |
| cr3 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not seem to prompt for the video driver anymore, is this a known change? | 17:03 |
| cjwatson | #ubuntu-x | 17:04 |
| cjwatson | that sort of thing is entirely up to the package's maintainer scripts | 17:04 |
| cr3 | thanks, I thought it might've been a debconf thing because specifying -plow didn't change anything. actually, specifying -pfoo had the same effect and didn't give any errors | 17:06 |
| cjwatson | it's not a debconf problem | 17:09 |
| cjwatson | -plow doesn't invent questions that the maintainer scripts don't ask. :-) | 17:09 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: evand * r427 oem-config/ (configure configure.ac): Bump to 1.32 | 17:11 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: evand * r428 oem-config/ (debian/changelog gui/glade/step_timezone.glade): | 17:11 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: * Use a GtkEventBox rather than a GtkScrolledWindow for the tzmap to | 17:11 |
| CIA-24 | oem-config: match ubiquity (LP: #198179) | 17:11 |
| evand | cjwatson: did you miss the question about a link to wubi on the ubuntu.com site, or is it something that you need to give some thought? | 17:12 |
| cjwatson | I don't feel strongly; newz2000 would be the one to ask | 17:26 |
| evand | indeed, had already planned on it, just wanted to run it by you first | 17:30 |
| evand | ok, thanks | 17:30 |
| evand | xivulon: if you could start a conversation with Matthew Nuzum for what you'd like to have done and CC me on it, I'd very much appreciate it. | 17:31 |
| xivulon | will do | 17:31 |
| evand | thanks | 17:32 |
| CIA-24 | debian-installer: cjwatson * r893 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20070308ubuntu32 | 20:10 |
| TheMuso | I'd be happy to help change the accessibility code to read from the preceed file if that makes things any easier... | 20:14 |
| CIA-24 | partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r558 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 56ubuntu3 | 20:16 |
| CIA-24 | partman-ext3: cjwatson * r731 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog partman-ext3.templates): * Add Choices-C entries for mount options. | 20:20 |
| CIA-24 | partman-ext3: cjwatson * r732 ubuntu/ (mountoptions/ext3_defaults debian/changelog): * Default to mounting ext3 with relatime (LP: #160450). | 20:20 |
| CIA-24 | partman-ext3: cjwatson * r733 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 49ubuntu2 | 20:20 |
| CIA-24 | partman-jfs: cjwatson * r719 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog partman-jfs.templates): * Add Choices-C entries for mount options. | 20:21 |
| CIA-24 | partman-jfs: cjwatson * r720 ubuntu/ (mountoptions/jfs_defaults debian/changelog): * Default to mounting jfs with relatime (LP: #160450). | 20:21 |
| CIA-24 | partman-jfs: cjwatson * r721 ubuntu/debian/control: Ubuntu maintainer address | 20:21 |
| CIA-24 | partman-jfs: cjwatson * r722 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 25ubuntu1 | 20:22 |
| CIA-24 | partman-reiserfs: cjwatson * r798 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog partman-reiserfs.templates): * Add Choices-C entries for mount options. | 20:22 |
| CIA-24 | partman-reiserfs: cjwatson * r799 ubuntu/ (mountoptions/reiserfs_defaults debian/changelog): * Default to mounting reiserfs with relatime (LP: #160450). | 20:22 |
| CIA-24 | partman-reiserfs: cjwatson * r800 ubuntu/debian/control: Ubuntu maintainer address | 20:22 |
| CIA-24 | partman-reiserfs: cjwatson * r801 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 39ubuntu1 | 20:23 |
| CIA-24 | partman-xfs: cjwatson * r751 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog partman-xfs.templates): * Add Choices-C entries for mount options. | 20:23 |
| CIA-24 | partman-xfs: cjwatson * r752 ubuntu/ (mountoptions/xfs_defaults debian/changelog): * Default to mounting xfs with relatime (LP: #160450). | 20:23 |
| CIA-24 | partman-xfs: cjwatson * r753 ubuntu/debian/control: Ubuntu maintainer address | 20:24 |
| CIA-24 | partman-xfs: cjwatson * r754 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 35ubuntu1 | 20:25 |
| twb | I'm having trouble customizing the live system so it has both the correct time and the correct timezone. | 20:30 |
| twb | Simply fixing the /etc/localtime link within filesystem.squashfs and deleting the casper-bottom/02timezone script (and rebuilding the ramdisk) results in the correct timezone, but the wrong actual time -- until I run `ntpdate-debian -u' from the running live system. | 20:31 |
| evand | TheMuso: Thanks, but I don't think it will be necessary and I'd like to avoid making any large changes like that as part of the workaround. | 20:37 |
| TheMuso | evand: Fair enough, I'm of the same thought as well, but if there is no other options... | 20:38 |
| evand | TheMuso: indeed :) | 20:45 |
| TheMuso | evand: Had a chance to do any dmraid testing? | 20:46 |
| evand | TheMuso: thought you might ask. That's my plan for all of this evening leading up to the meeting. I only just got settled in and unpacked yesterday. | 20:47 |
| TheMuso | evand: Fair enough, I'll be around if you need me. | 20:48 |
| evand | great | 20:48 |
| TheMuso | As for getting it into hardy however, thats another story. The support folks don't feel that its something that they want to support, especially since it may give Ubuntu more of a bad rep t han anything. The example given was someone using fakeraid who has/gets a support contract with Canonical... | 20:50 |
| twb | Correct me if I'm wrong, but surely the OS just sees a normal disk when using fakeraid? | 20:54 |
| TheMuso | twb: No thats not the case at all. | 20:55 |
| TheMuso | twb: Fakeraid is made up with a BIOS that writes special metadata to the hard disks, and in Windows' case, drivers that read that metadata and transparently handle the RAID functionality. | 20:56 |
| cjwatson | if that were the case, it would be easy :-/ | 20:56 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: Exactly. | 20:56 |
| cjwatson | from everything that's been said, I'm coming round to deferring it | 20:58 |
| cjwatson | which is a shame, but we *did* start on it kind of late, and didn't promise anything | 20:58 |
| TheMuso | Yeah its a shame, as I do have a slight vested interest in it also. I am tracking upstream progress however, and will keep everybody posted, and will see what we can do for intrepid. | 21:00 |
| twb | Oh well. Fakeraid is pretty silly when you had md. | 21:01 |
| TheMuso | twb: Yes, but just about every consumer/prosumer/low-end server board comes with it these days, and most people don't know any; better. | 21:02 |
| cjwatson | from the point of view of specifying a system, yes; from the point of view of having a fakeraid system already and trying to put Ubuntu on it ... | 21:02 |
| TheMuso | And yes, there is what cjwatson said regarding dual booting/installing Ubuntu onto an existing fakeraid. | 21:03 |
| cjwatson | I'll find the master bug about dmraid support and pass it over to you (remind me if I don't); it could do with an "official"-looking update on status | 21:03 |
| twb | So ubiquity supports md and lvm now? | 21:03 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: Ok. | 21:03 |
| TheMuso | evand: Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see how those fakeraid BIOSs you have behave, as well as any Windows tools that may be available for them. | 21:07 |
| TheMuso | As we could at least mention something about different controllers. | 21:07 |
| cjwatson | twb: no | 21:11 |
| cjwatson | but nor was it planned for it to support dmraid in this cycle | 21:12 |
| cjwatson | (the discussion above was just for dmraid support at all, and in d-i) | 21:12 |
| twb | Fair enough. | 21:12 |
| cjwatson | it's on my list for the 8.10 UDS | 21:12 |
| evand | TheMuso: indeed, I still plan on investigating this. | 21:12 |
| twb | UDS? | 21:12 |
| cjwatson | Ubuntu Developer Summit | 21:13 |
| evand | LVM and RAID in ubiquity is? | 21:13 |
| cjwatson | dmraid is | 21:13 |
| evand | ah, indeed | 21:13 |
| twb | Well, I "fixed" my clock grief issue by running ntpdate-debian -s -u at the end of /etc/rc2.d. That means something in rcS.d or rc2.d is doing something dumb w.r.t. the clock, and (bizarrely) ntpd -g isn't fixing it. | 21:15 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: I'd be happy to help/draft a spec for dmraid if need be. | 21:24 |
| cjwatson | that would be good | 21:26 |
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