[01:01] <staind9383> good evening
[01:08] <tgm4883> !ask | staind9383
[01:08] <ubotu> staind9383: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:09] <staind9383> haha, ok thanks
[01:09] <nettow0822> tgm4883 did you get to see my post?
[01:09] <tgm4883> sec
[01:10] <tgm4883> nettow0822, haven't heard of that issue before
[01:10] <nettow0822> ok ty
[01:21] <nettow0822> tgm4883 what is the easiest way to tell what tuner is with what adapter?
[01:27] <staind9383> is it normal for  firewire channel change to take more then a few seconds to change channels?  It looks like there is no 'enter' command at the end of the number string, so it waits for more input then finally changes
[01:30] <nettow0822> hit the enter key after selecting the channel.....see if that helps
[01:32] <staind9383> the script doesnt initiate the change until after i hit enter on the channel i want to goto
[01:33] <danzigrules> at least you got firewire to work ;p
[01:33] <staind9383> in any case, the result of this is recording about 2 seconds ofthe previous channel when a new recording runs
[01:33] <staind9383> danzigrules: good call, a big pain in itself
[01:34] <danzigrules> I still can't get it to work
[01:34] <staind9383> its flakey... every once in a while, it refuses to prime and that is that...  i had it working for months, then like 2 weeks ago it just stopped
[01:35] <staind9383> then about a week ago it started working again
[01:35] <danzigrules> I keep getting a firechan error
[01:35] <danzigrules> firechan, error unable to get handle for port 0 error no valid capture cards are defind in database
[01:35] <staind9383> i've never seen that one
[01:35] <staind9383> does plugreport show you a connection?
[01:36] <danzigrules> yip
[01:36] <tgm4883> danzigrules, can you pastebin the output of plugreport?
[01:36] <danzigrules> sure, gimme a sec
[01:36] <tgm4883> nettow0822, what do you mean what tuner with what adapter?
[01:37] <nettow0822> dev/adapter
[01:39] <danzigrules> http://pastebin.com/m7e0bf3f1
[01:40] <nettow0822> is there a way to enter the channels.conf info manually into mythtv?
[01:40] <nettow0822> this info    WDSIDT:621000000:QAM_256:2048:2049:1
[01:42] <tgm4883_laptop> nettow0822, you may be able to do it in mythweb
[01:42] <tgm4883_laptop> danzigrules, can you successfully prime it?
[01:42] <danzigrules> yip
[01:43] <tgm4883_laptop> can you post that command
[01:45] <danzigrules> http://pastebin.com/m6e312aef <--- the backend log
[01:45] <danzigrules> you want the prime command?
[01:46] <danzigrules> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_Firewire <-- I followed that
[01:46] <tgm4883_laptop> danzigrules, yes, but i want the one you specifically used successfuly
[01:47] <staind9383> danzigrules: looks like you didnt specify the right type of box
[01:47] <staind9383> what model calbe box you have?
[01:48] <danzigrules> dct6416 III
[01:48] <danzigrules> one sec tgm4883
[01:50] <staind9383> 'FireChan, Error: Model: 'Other' is not supported by internal channel changer.' seems to indicate that the setting in mythbackend for cable box model was on other... i think.  There should be an option for your box
[01:50] <danzigrules> just 6200 and sa_something
[01:50] <staind9383> o
[01:51] <danzigrules> http://pastebin.com/m510df3a
[01:51] <danzigrules> myth_prime.c
[01:51] <danzigrules> is what I used
[01:52] <danzigrules> unless you want the /etc/init.d mythtv-backend file
[02:13] <MythbuntuGuest47> Hello... Having an issue when entering LIVE TV, mysql will crash and scheduled programs will not record.  Have to repair the database each time.  Using Mythbuntu 7.10
[02:15] <MythbuntuGuest47> anyone have an idea as to what is causing the crash?
[02:15] <MythbuntuGuest47> *should mention, this does not happen ALL the time and the PC locks... Upon reboot MYSQL is corrupt
[03:03] <nettow0822> tgm4883_laptop I found someone with the same problem.....http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/308655?search_string=channels.conf;#308655
[03:11] <staind9383> is it possible to transcode a hd recording captured from a firewire box to dvd?
[03:11] <staind9383> nuvexport?
[03:17] <rhpot1991> staind9383: nuvexport just exports them it doesn't modify the current recording so it depends if that is what you are looking for
[03:17] <rhpot1991> I could prob add a line to mythexport to do so if you came up with a ffmpeg line that worked well
[03:17] <staind9383> doesnt nuvexport interface with transcode?
[03:17] <rhpot1991> I've only ever ran it from the command line
[03:18] <staind9383> hrm
[03:21] <rhpot1991> staind9383: are you looking to write the files to dvd for playback?
[03:21] <staind9383> here's sometihng strange... i'm not doing anythin, but the cpu usage on mythfrontend is 100%... i just finished watchin live tv.  only one core is pegged though.. the other is completely idle
[03:21] <rhpot1991> top?
[03:22] <staind9383> yea
[03:22] <rhpot1991> mytharchive can do that for you
[03:22] <rhpot1991> can write them for playback in players or in computer I believe
[03:22] <staind9383> i'm not running anything else though... not at the moment
[03:22] <rhpot1991> what does top show?
[03:22] <rhpot1991> launch a terminal or ssh in and run top
[03:23] <staind9383> yea top shows 33% us, 66%sys on one core
[03:23] <staind9383> the other core is 0%
[03:23] <rhpot1991> it should show you what process is doing that though
[03:23] <staind9383> mythfrontend.re
[03:23] <rhpot1991> what menu are you sitting on?
[03:23] <staind9383> setup
[03:23] <rhpot1991> I see the thumbnails eat cpu on mine, never 100% though
[03:24] <rhpot1991> I'd restart the frontend
[03:24] <rhpot1991> exit out
[03:24] <staind9383> that was raelly strange...
[03:24] <staind9383> i went back one menu in the heirarchy
[03:24] <staind9383> and the usage dropped liek a rock
[03:24] <rhpot1991> you running 0.21?
[03:25] <rhpot1991> I'd keep an eye on it and just assume it was a hiccup
[03:25] <rhpot1991> if it happens more then worry about it
[03:25] <staind9383> think so... whatever version was on the latest rev of mythbuntu
[03:25] <rhpot1991> depends which version of mythbuntu/ubuntu you are running and where your mythtv sources are coming from
[03:26] <staind9383> i went back into the main setup menu and the core is pegged again
[03:27] <staind9383> i'm running 2.6.22-14, x86-64
[03:27] <staind9383> ubuntu 7.10
[03:28] <rhpot1991> dpkg -l mythtv-backend
[03:28] <rhpot1991> run that
[03:28] <rhpot1991> 0.20.2 prob
[03:28] <staind9383> 0.20.2-0ubuntu10
[03:30] <rhpot1991> check your /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log for anything funky
[03:32] <staind9383> nothing from the past few mins.  I see lots of NVP: prebuffering pause and NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[03:32] <rhpot1991> those are normally from playback
[03:32] <staind9383> those appear during times i was watching tv
[03:32] <rhpot1991> wifi?
[03:32] <staind9383> nope
[03:33] <rhpot1991> how fast is your cpu?
[03:33] <rhpot1991> might be a HD thing
[03:33] <staind9383> 3600+ x2
[03:33] <staind9383> maybe
[03:33] <staind9383> using firewire to record... maybe something to do with that?
[03:33] <rhpot1991> I get a lot of those with the experimental builds while playing over wifi, but thats about the only time
[03:33] <rhpot1991> I just started messing with firewire so I'm not all that informed there, and my box is very underpowered for it
[03:34] <rhpot1991> I'd reboot and see if you are still seeing that cpu problem, your system is up to date and all right?
[03:34] <staind9383> should be
[03:34] <staind9383> i'll double check and reboot
[03:35] <danzigrules> geez, all the people that got firewire to work
[03:36] <staind9383> danzigrules: i'd say i'm damn lucky when it comes to that
[03:36] <rhpot1991> danzigrules: it works almost OOB with the new trunk weekly builds
[03:36] <rhpot1991> installs all the files there for you, just need to figure out the firewire config stuff yourself
[03:36] <staind9383> rhpot1991: i have some stuff out of date, should I just apt-get upgrade?  what are the odds that will break something
[03:37] <danzigrules> if I had a clue how to get the newest I would try that ;p
[03:37] <rhpot1991> it *shouldn't* break anything
[03:37] <staind9383> haha
[03:37] <rhpot1991> I've seen crazier things happen though
[03:37] <rhpot1991> I generally let whatever upgrade as long as things aren't being removed
[03:37] <rhpot1991> then ask questions later if anything goes wrong
[03:37] <staind9383> ok then, well i have not put that much time into this freshest install... so it doesnt really matter if it screws up
[03:37] <rhpot1991> you can always sudo apt-get -s upgrade if you are worried
[03:37] <rhpot1991> will do a test run
[03:38] <staind9383> oh yea?>
[03:38] <rhpot1991> I've never seen it fail so I'm not sure how useful it is
[03:38] <staind9383> i really have to learn more about linux
[03:39] <rhpot1991> danzig: http://www.mythbuntu.com/auto-builds
[03:39] <staind9383> danzigrules: are you sure that your particular box is supported via firewire?
[03:40] <rhpot1991> danzigrules: warning they are trunk builds and they are the same builds that are in the mythbuntu alpha releases, so stability may be an issue at points
[03:40] <staind9383> i've only seen mention of the SA ones and the 6200 series
[03:40] <rhpot1991> ya do you have any info on your box?
[03:40] <rhpot1991> I have a 3200 working well
[03:40] <staind9383> mine is the sa4250hd
[03:41] <staind9383> rhpot do you see a lag time between when you tell myth to change channel and when the box actually changes?
[03:46] <rhpot1991> yes
[03:46] <staind9383> ok.  well i feel better that it's not only me then
[03:47] <rhpot1991> how long of a lag?
[03:48] <rhpot1991> danzigrules: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire
[03:48] <rhpot1991> that is pretty good, I had to work around it not finding the firewire GUID with the trunk builds, but I don't think you need to worry about that
[03:49] <staind9383> well its like you pressed the channel numbers onthe remote but did not hit the enter button
[03:49] <staind9383> so you hav eto wait for the channels to take
[03:49] <staind9383> its not terribly long
[03:49] <danzigrules> sorry I was setting up the weekly builds
[03:50] <danzigrules> I thought I saw that someone had got the stb to work
[03:50] <danzigrules> I am trying to find it again
[03:54] <staind9383> rhpot1991: post updates that setup screen is still pegging my one core
[03:54] <staind9383> cpu0
[03:55] <danzigrules> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firewire_Cablebox_Compatability
[03:58] <staind9383> the main menu screen seems to put cpu at 100 % also
[04:00] <rhpot1991> danzigrules: try following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Firewire
[04:00] <rhpot1991> unless you went with the trunk weekly builds
[04:00] <danzigrules> that is what I followed in the begining
[04:01] <danzigrules> now am updating
[04:02] <rhpot1991> if you go with the weekly builds all the files should be in place, but you still need to follow the stuff from the begining and make sure your box works with the broadcast method then setup the captuer source
[04:05] <danzigrules> k
[04:06] <staind9383> i'm off to sleep.  had enough for one night
[04:16] <danzigrules> well, it shows up in windows now, as a media server. now to see if I can watch live tv ;p
[04:35] <danzigrules> still no valid card
[04:36] <danzigrules> even changed the node thru phpadmin
[04:37] <rhpot1991> are you running trunk or fixes weekly builds?
[04:37] <rhpot1991> dpkg -l mythtv-backend, what version?
[04:39] <danzigrules> .21.0~fixes16340-0
[04:39] <rhpot1991> ya the files are only included in the trunk builds
[04:39] <rhpot1991> you need to install them by hand like the wiki says still
[04:41] <rhpot1991> did the firewire_tester stuff connect?
[04:44] <danzigrules> yes it connects
[04:45] <danzigrules> I added the apt-key and the repo, and it says I am updated
[04:50] <rhpot1991> what exactly is the problem, does it not show up in mythtv?
[04:50] <rhpot1991> did you check your logs and so on?
[04:50] <rhpot1991> and did you follow the entire wiki
[04:53] <danzigrules> still getting the no valid capture cards in database
[04:53] <danzigrules> in the log
[04:53] <rhpot1991> did it prime?
[04:55] <danzigrules> the file is different, wasn't sure if I should try to add all that again, but I appreciate your help
[04:56] <rhpot1991> I'd walk through the wiki again
[04:56] <rhpot1991> and make sure you follow everything
[04:56] <rhpot1991> skipping anything could cause it not to work
[04:57] <rhpot1991> that or go with the trunk builds if you don't mind running experimental software, or just wait for 8.04 to go past alphas
[06:45] <suamme1> this may seem a silly question, but in 8.04a3 how can i change the display aspect ratio to 16:9? It is adding letterboxes to my HD content and distorting my SD content.
[06:46] <suamme1> (actually, that's alpha 2 with all recent updates
[06:46] <WcktKlwn> I beleive you need to change the resolution
[06:46] <WcktKlwn> or are you talking about mythtv
[06:47] <suamme1> well, my x resolution is at 1280x768, but things are only distorted while playing video in myth
[06:49] <suamme1> for some reason i can't get nvidia-settings (7100 onboard) to go up to 1366x768 iirc.
[11:50]  * famicom is now playing: Ainsi Parlait Zarathoustra--SuKaR-- La Fange Tektribe
[13:26] <jduggan> did anyone answer my question last night? My screen session messed up so i couldnt reattach to see if i got a reply? :P
[13:29] <frank23> jduggan: only answer was <tgm4883> jduggan, screen setup wizard?
[13:31] <jduggan> oh
[13:32] <jduggan> its in SVN
[13:32] <jduggan> justinh's plugin
[13:32] <jduggan> iirc
[13:32] <jduggan> anyone know if its likely to be in mythtbuntu
[13:32] <jduggan> (trunk repo)
[15:44] <directhex|work> jduggan, if it's in trunk, why wouldn't it be in trunk builds?
[15:45] <jduggan> perhaps it was --disabled
[15:45] <jduggan> i dunno
[15:46] <jduggan> i didnt check what trunk build my mythbuntu box is running - but svn check out had it built in
[15:46] <jduggan> perhaps the next build will have it
[16:10] <tgm4883_laptop> jduggan, are you talking about where you set the arrows to your screen edges?
[16:12] <wilberfan> Man, what makes a perfectly good Mythbuntu install suddenly go kernel-panic on me?!
[16:14] <surlyjake> cat piss
[16:16] <wilberfan> gee, and I don't even have a cat....
[16:16] <wilberfan> It first locked up on shutdown...then gave me the following when I tried to reboot:  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5265/
[16:17] <surlyjake> if it was me, I'd blame messy RAM
[16:17] <surlyjake> pull one out... play musical chairs with the ram sticks...
[16:18] <surlyjake> try using a single stick from another machine
[16:18] <wilberfan> really...?  hmmm.  never would have thought it was RAM related...
[16:18] <surlyjake> ...or run memtest.. (but that takes too much time)
[16:19] <wilberfan> huh.   ok...i'll give it a try...
[16:19] <wilberfan> brb
[16:19] <surlyjake> the error refers to ramdisk...
[16:19] <wilberfan> but wouldn't a RAM problem affect my other distros on the same machine...??
[16:19] <wilberfan> cuz everything else boots fine....
[16:19] <tgm4883_laptop> when it locked did you REISUB?
[16:19] <wilberfan> (sidux, gutsy, xp)
[16:20] <jduggan> tgm4883_laptop: yeap
[16:20] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop: yes, i did!  NO response whatsoever....total freezeup...
[16:21] <tgm4883_laptop> jduggan, that is in alpha 3 ( i played with it last night) so it should also be in trunk builds
[16:21] <tgm4883_laptop> wilberfan, wow, that is a hard lock :(
[16:21] <wilberfan> (actually, i RSEIUB'd)
[16:22] <wilberfan> i'd just done an update before trying to shutdown...any connection you think?
[16:22] <tgm4883_laptop> are you running 7.10?
[16:22] <wilberfan> yep
[16:22] <tgm4883_laptop> strange
[16:23] <wilberfan> i'm using the non-ext3 filesystem...(xfs?) could that be the prob?
[16:24] <tgm4883_laptop> wilberfan, are you using that on / or just on your recordings drive?
[16:24] <wilberfan> the / partition IS the recording drive
[16:25] <tgm4883_laptop> oh
[16:25] <wilberfan> (is that bad??)
[16:25] <tgm4883_laptop> AFAIK, that is a bad idea to have / as xfs
[16:25] <wilberfan> really? (why am i learning this now?!)  ;)
[16:26] <tgm4883_laptop> you should partition your drive, leave 8-10 gb for / , I leave 1gb for swap and the rest mounted at /var/lib as xfs
[16:26] <tgm4883_laptop> wilberfan, not sure, i just read that / shouldn't be xfs, perhaps it was in mythtv-users
[16:26] <tgm4883_laptop> i do / as ext3
[16:26] <wilberfan> "the rest", meaning /home etc?
[16:27] <tgm4883_laptop> no, the rest of the drive
[16:27] <tgm4883_laptop> the above was for a dedicated machine
[16:27] <tgm4883_laptop> no need for /home on a seperate HD then
[16:28] <wilberfan> i'm a lil' confused...  how do i install myth / on one partition and designate the recording partition as xfs?
[16:28] <wilberfan> (i'm an intermediate noob)
[16:29] <wilberfan> and i smell a reinstall in my future!
[16:29] <tgm4883_laptop> during install, do manual partitioning
[16:30] <wilberfan> right...
[16:30] <wilberfan> (i do that anyway)
[16:30] <tgm4883_laptop> section off 8-10 gb as ext3 and mounted as root
[16:30] <wilberfan> right...
[16:30] <tgm4883_laptop> then do swap
[16:30]  * wilberfan is nodding
[16:31] <tgm4883_laptop> then for recordings, use the rest of the drive, mark it for xfs and mount it at /var/lib/
[16:31] <wilberfan> hmmmm.....
[16:31] <tgm4883_laptop> or wherever you want recordings to be
[16:31] <tgm4883_laptop> if you have done manual partitioning before, it's really not that hard
[16:31] <tgm4883_laptop> when you get in there you will see
[16:31] <wilberfan> i have, yeah...
[16:31] <directhex|work> i use xfs root at work
[16:32] <directhex|work> admittedly on sgi kit, with an sgi support contract
[16:32] <wilberfan> directhex|work: do you agree root might be better as ext3?
[16:32] <wilberfan> (just tryin' to get a consensus here..)  ;-)
[16:32] <directhex|work> wilberfan, i think that's a sensible attitude to take, yes
[16:33] <wilberfan> huh....  well, you phuck up and learn!  :-|
[16:33] <directhex|work> i say this as someone who used jfs root on his myth machine and is suffering for his sins
[16:34] <wilberfan> it's been a couple of months since i did my last mythbuntu install...is /var/lib/ the default recording location??
[16:34] <tgm4883_laptop> Sweet I just got an email from south africa that says i will receive 20% of $21 million if I help them out
[16:34] <directhex|work> yes. you don't need to make that folder the big one, it can be anywhere, as long as you change the recording location
[16:35] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop: lol.  buy me a new laptop then?
[16:35] <frank_> tgm4883_laptop: you'd be stupid not to!
[16:35] <directhex|work> i have a better offer
[16:35] <tgm4883_laptop> I know, to think, out of 6 billion people they picked me to help
[16:35] <wilberfan> directhex|work: wait, i'm confused again...
[16:35] <directhex|work> 50% of $15m from zimbabwe
[16:36] <tgm4883_laptop> I'd do it, but I'm already getting 10 million from Nigeria.  I just have to send them $5000 more for some paperwork
[16:36] <directhex|work> wilberfan, you can make any folder your recording directory if you want. /var/lib/mythtv is certainly the default though. it's just a little... inelegant if you want to share non-myth media across a network
[16:37]  * tgm4883_laptop thinks that /var/lib/ is a bad place for recordings
[16:37] <wilberfan> directhex|work: well, i'm NOT at the network-sharing stage yet!  :-0
[16:37] <tgm4883_laptop> only because /var needs to be formated during an install
[16:37] <directhex|work> tgm4883_laptop, i use /data/MythTV/Recordings \o/
[16:38] <wilberfan> so best advice on what i need to specify during the install...?? (during manual partition phase)?
[16:38] <wilberfan> cuz i'm gonna start reinstalling here in a sec!
[16:39] <wilberfan> ;)
[16:39] <tgm4883_laptop> is this a dedicated backend machine?
[16:39] <tgm4883_laptop> as in, not used as a desktop too?
[16:39] <wilberfan> well, it's a multi-distro machine... used as a desktop, too...
[16:40] <wilberfan> i've got sidux, xp, gutsy installed on it also....
[16:40] <wilberfan> (bit of a distro whore)
[16:40] <surlyjake> y dont you just run myth from inside of ubuntu
[16:41] <wilberfan> surlyjake: not sure i'd know how to do that yet!  (not even sure i knew that was possible!)
[16:41] <wilberfan> the whole mythbuntu install seemed like a good way to get my tootsies wet...
[16:42] <pdragon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy
[16:42] <surlyjake> it surely is. but from ubuntu, its super easy. i'm pretty sure you can install it from the gui package selector
[16:42] <pdragon> instructions for all possible combinations of mythbuntu frontend/backend/desktop
[16:42] <wilberfan> but i'll still need an xfs partition to record on...?
[16:43] <surlyjake> i just installed it by sudo apt-get. if i want myth up, i run it just like any other program
[16:43] <pdragon> xfs is recommended but not required
[16:43] <wilberfan> surlyjake: kewl
[16:43] <wilberfan> pdragon: so if i wanted to do the 'recommended' thing...?
[16:43] <pdragon> if you've got the free space to partition an xfs partition, you can just point the recording directory there when you run it on the desktop
[16:44] <surlyjake> use gparted to create whatever partition you want. my recomendation if your system is already up and working, just get an extra (perhaps external drive). format it however you want...
[16:44] <pdragon> you can change the directory mythbuntu records to at any time
[16:45] <surlyjake> my theory is, whenever your system is already working, dont mess around with your OS drive. (i'm too stupid to keep everything working)
[16:45] <wilberfan> well, it'd have to be one of the partitions in one of the 2 existing hd's in there now...
[16:45] <pdragon> no problem. just make sure that partition is mounted when it boots and you can set it as a recording directory
[16:45] <wilberfan> well, if you think about it:  i already have a (non-working!) rather huge xfs partition in there right now (the recently demised mythbuntu) AND a working gutsy install....
[16:46] <surlyjake> so reformat the xfs partition and point your recordings there
[16:46] <pdragon> then just install the mythtv packages and set the recording directory to that xfs partition and you're good to go
[16:46] <wilberfan> so i just need to mount the xfs partition (maybe reformat it?), then finger-out how to install mythtv withing gutsy...
[16:46] <wilberfan> (great minds think alike...!)
[16:46] <surlyjake> yessir
[16:47] <wilberfan> are youze guys gonna be around for awhile--in case i need my hand held?!  (LOL)
[16:47] <pdragon> yep. if you want instructions for installing mythtv on an existing desktop, go to that link i posted
[16:47] <surlyjake> use /data/recordings or just /recordings so as not to even put other data at risk
[16:47] <directhex|work> i recommend /badger
[16:47] <directhex|work> it's a fine mountpoint is /badger
[16:47] <surlyjake> im @work for 7 more hrs......
[16:47] <pdragon> yeah, i use /opt/mythtv/recordings myself
[16:47]  * wilberfan can't tell if directhex|work is joking
[16:48] <wilberfan> directhex|work: why "/badger"???
[16:48] <pdragon> why not /badger?
[16:48] <wilberfan> uh....sure  why not....
[16:49]  * wilberfan hates it when the big boys tease him
[16:49] <directhex|work> wilberfan, i'm anarchic and sarcastic, but for the most part, my sarcasm is never overtly false
[16:50] <wilberfan> I want the "Install a Frontend on an existing ubuntu Gutsy Desktop" option, don't I....
[16:50] <directhex|work> /badger is a perfectly acceptable mountpoint, technically. i'm usually using /tmp/badger when mounting isos
[16:50] <pdragon> yes
[16:50] <directhex|work> wilberfan, you need a backend first
[16:50] <pdragon> oop yeah... that's important :p
[16:50]  * wilberfan looks behind  himself
[16:51] <directhex|work> hang on...
[16:51] <wilberfan> now...see?   you have to be careful with Lil' Scottie here...
[16:51] <directhex|work> http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10005
[16:51] <pdragon> you want Combined Backend, Frontend, & Regular Desktop
[16:51] <surlyjake> **i never knew myth could be so homoerotic
[16:52] <wilberfan> I didn't scroll down far enough:  THIS is the option I need:  " Install a Backend and Frontend on an existing Ubuntu Gutsy Desktop"
[16:52] <wilberfan> :D
[16:52] <wilberfan> duh.
[16:52] <surlyjake> hiding it right under your nose ;)
[16:52] <wilberfan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop
[16:53] <wilberfan> D.U.H.
[16:54] <wilberfan> wait...if i click on that install link (in gutsy) it will go get the packages for me?!
[16:54]  * wilberfan gives a low whistle
[16:54] <surlyjake> only one way to find out....
[16:55] <wilberfan> ok...  lemme go get my partition magic disc ready...
[16:55] <wilberfan> brb
[16:56]  * wilberfan starts his BuntuYoga regimine...
[16:58] <wilberfan> [Parted Magic I mean]
[17:06] <wilberfan> jeez, reformatting that partition took about 2.4 seconds...
[17:06] <wilberfan> (yay)
[17:07] <wilberfan> I just thought of a snag I'm gonna run into:  my xorg isn't configured for my TV...
[17:08] <wilberfan> (which always happened automatically during the mythbuntu install)
[17:08] <wilberfan> :(
[17:09] <surlyjake> ..... plug it in...
[17:09] <wilberfan> "it"?
[17:09] <wilberfan> you mean the tv?
[17:09] <surlyjake> yep. what kind is it?
[17:10] <wilberfan> A Phillips magavox (is that what you meant?)  NTSC
[17:10] <wilberfan> [Magnavox]
[17:11] <wilberfan> well, it's always plugged into the nvidia card on that machine...i just turned it on now...
[17:11] <surlyjake> lcd? plasma? what connections
[17:11] <surlyjake> old tube? what resolution
[17:11] <wilberfan> oh.  sorry.  s-video.  tube.  resolution?  uhhhh.... not totally sure...
[17:12] <tgm4883_laptop> 640 x 480 probably
[17:12] <wilberfan> sounds familiar...
[17:12] <surlyjake> yeah. 640 sounds about right.
[17:12] <tgm4883_laptop> IIRC, all tubes are 640x480
[17:12] <tgm4883_laptop> been a long time since i had a tube tv
[17:13] <wilberfan> lemme see if gutsy booted...
[17:14] <wilberfan_> ok.  gutsy booted ok....
[17:14] <surlyjake> go to the nvidia control panel and fire it up
[17:14] <wilberfan_> i have a bunch of updates...should i do those BEFORE doing this mythtv install?
[17:15] <wilberfan_> it's been so long!   Where's the nvidia control panel live?!
[17:16] <wilberfan_> nvidia-control?
[17:16] <surlyjake> nvidia-settings
[17:16] <wilberfan_> ah
[17:16] <wilberfan_> ok  it's open...
[17:17] <wilberfan_> oh, look  there's already a TV-0 thingie there...
[17:17] <surlyjake> GTFO! YEY!
[17:18] <wilberfan_> (no values though)
[17:18] <surlyjake> DOH
[17:18] <wilberfan_> "TV Encoder: NVIDIA"
[17:18] <wilberfan_> "TV Refresh Rate: Unkown"
[17:18] <wilberfan_> That's it
[17:20] <wilberfan_> Now what?
[17:21] <surlyjake> http://tracylogan.com/uploads/Image/nvidia-settings.png
[17:21] <surlyjake> where does the tv encoder thing show up?
[17:21] <surlyjake> along the left?
[17:22] <wilberfan_> "GPU 0 - (GeForce FX 5200)"
[17:22] <surlyjake> go to the x server display configuration option on the left
[17:22] <surlyjake> make it look like this:
[17:22] <surlyjake> http://www.ismprofessional.net/pascucci/wp-content/uploads/nvidia-settings.png
[17:23] <wilberfan_> Hey, there's a "TV-0 (Disabled) icon already there...
[17:23] <wilberfan_> :D
[17:24] <wilberfan_> surlyjake, even though it has "1280x1024"?
[17:25] <wilberfan_> And "make it look like this" omits the HOW part!  :-O
[17:27] <wilberfan_> wait...need to reboot...  brb
[17:36] <wilberfan_> surlyjake, the largest option i have for resolution is "1024x768"...and the refresh rate is greyed-out to "auto"...
[17:36] <surlyjake> what happens when you select it?
[17:36] <wilberfan_> or should i select the "640x480" one??
[17:37] <wilberfan_> "Auto" won't let me select it....greyed-out
[17:37] <surlyjake> oh. yeah. go to 640
[17:37] <wilberfan_> "Auto" still greyed-out, though....
[17:37] <surlyjake> can you just hit apply... or ok.. or something?
[17:37] <wilberfan_> should i do a "Detect Displays"??
[17:38] <surlyjake> that will just put a "1" and "2" on the appropriate display
[17:38] <wilberfan_> There IS a "Apply" down there, yeah...
[17:39] <wilberfan_> "The current settings cannot be completely applied due to one or more of the following reasons:"
[17:39] <wilberfan_> "The location of the X screen has changed"
[17:39] <wilberfan_> "The location type of an X screen has changed"
[17:40] <wilberfan_> (It goes on like that for awhile!)
[17:40] <wilberfan_> I guess I should "Save to X Configuration File"?
[17:40] <surlyjake> yep.
[17:41] <wilberfan_> "merge with existing file"?
[17:41] <surlyjake> what's the other option?
[17:41] <wilberfan_> just unchecking it...
[17:42] <wilberfan_> so the choices are 'merge' or not!
[17:42] <surlyjake> lol. i always just do whatever it defaults to.
[17:42] <surlyjake> if all hell breaks, you can fix it.
[17:42] <wilberfan_> lol   ok. it was checked by default...
[17:43] <surlyjake> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg i think
[17:43] <wilberfan_> ok, now what...?
[17:43] <wilberfan_> restart x?
[17:43] <surlyjake> yep
[17:43] <wilberfan_> (gawd.  i hate doing this part!)
[17:43] <wilberfan_> ok...keep your fingers crossed...  brb
[17:45] <wilberfan_> should i see something on the tv now?  (I just logged out, and back in...that'll restart X, right?)
[17:45] <surlyjake> yep
[17:46] <surlyjake> ctrl+alt+backspace too
[17:46] <wilberfan_> cuz i'm not seein' squat
[17:46] <surlyjake> try pulling the nvidia settings back up
[17:46] <wilberfan_> Nah...TV-0 is still (Disabled)...
[17:47] <wilberfan_> something didn't "take"...
[17:48] <wilberfan_> I got this when I tried to merge:  "Unable to create new X config backup file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'."
[17:48] <surlyjake> oh shitz
[17:48] <wilberfan_> zat bad?
[17:48] <surlyjake> run sudo nvidia-settings
[17:48] <surlyjake> lol.
[17:48] <wilberfan_> d'oh!!!
[17:48] <surlyjake> your normal user cant edit the file anywayz....
[17:48] <surlyjake> derf. sorry
[17:49] <wilberfan_> That WOULD explain that error...yep....
[17:49] <wilberfan_> ;)
[17:49] <wilberfan_> WORKED THAT TIME!
[17:49] <wilberfan_> ;)
[17:50] <wilberfan_> ok...brb....
[17:52] <wilberfan_> Hey, I gotta desktop on my tv now!!
[17:52] <wilberfan_> :)
[17:53] <wilberfan_> i'm assuming my next job is to change fstab so that my xfs partition gets mounted...?  or....?
[17:53] <surlyjake> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT.
[17:53] <wilberfan_> woot, indeed, my friend.  woot.
[17:53] <surlyjake> wilber. i have to say.. this is the first time my input has ever been helpfull to ANYONE on IRC. *im new here*
[17:54] <wilberfan_> well, then we're BOTH weiners...uh, winners...!
[17:54] <wilberfan_> what's our next task, there, sensei....?
[17:55] <surlyjake> yep. sudo nano /etc/fstab
[17:55] <wilberfan_> I already see an entry for my xfs partition in fstab...but it can't be correct...(the UUID will be the OLD one, yes?)
[17:55] <surlyjake> all the extra crap i have no idea about
[17:56] <surlyjake> all i understand are /dev/<whatever> and /<mountpoint>
[17:56] <wilberfan_> well, i know there's a command to display the device UUID's...but i don't remember what it is...
[17:56] <wilberfan_> i have it written down somewhere....
[17:56] <surlyjake> um. open up gparted to make sure that you are thinking of the right partition
[17:57] <wilberfan_> yeah...it's my "dev/sdb1" partition...  (first part on 2nd drive, i remember that...)
[17:58] <wilberfan_> "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid"  !
[18:00] <wilberfan_> surlyjake, ok, the existing mountpoint is "/media/sdb1"   I need to change that, don't I?
[18:01] <surlyjake> you don't need too, but i say you should.
[18:01] <surlyjake> but first you need to create the place where you will mount it
[18:01] <wilberfan_> but that means i have to CREATE the mountpoint...
[18:01] <wilberfan_> :)
[18:01] <wilberfan_> and then there's those pesky permissions!
[18:02] <wilberfan_> should i do the default myth point?
[18:02] <wilberfan_> or be creative?
[18:02] <surlyjake> only you can decide.
[18:02] <wilberfan_> crap
[18:02] <surlyjake> lol. sorry
[18:03] <wilberfan_> well.... help me out here...  i think "/something/recordings" would be good...
[18:03] <wilberfan_> where should i put it...?
[18:03] <surlyjake> /mythdata/recordings
[18:04] <surlyjake> hows that?
[18:04] <wilberfan_> that works...
[18:05] <wilberfan_> so now, uh,   "mkdir /mythdata/recordings"??
[18:05] <surlyjake> mkdir /mythdata
[18:05] <surlyjake> then /mythdata/recordings
[18:05] <wilberfan_> "SUDO mdkir /mythdata"?
[18:05] <surlyjake> LOL
[18:05] <surlyjake> yes
[18:05] <surlyjake> im a root cheater
[18:06] <wilberfan_> (man, gotta watch this kid like a HAWK!)
[18:06] <wilberfan_> OK.  got /mythdata created...
[18:07] <surlyjake> ok. forget about making the recording directory. make it after you mount the drive
[18:07] <surlyjake> now go back into fstab and point away
[18:08] <wilberfan_> oh.  ok.  we're gonna wait on the sub-directory?
[18:08] <surlyjake> yeah.
[18:08] <surlyjake> otherwise, the subdirectory will be on your root drive...
[18:08] <wilberfan_> does /mythdata already have the proper permissions?
[18:08] <surlyjake> trial and error
[18:08] <surlyjake> we can chown and chmod it after mounting it
[18:08] <wilberfan_> ok, lemme edit the fstab now....
[18:09] <wilberfan_> now, what is it?   sudo mount -a ?
[18:09] <surlyjake> sudo umount -a
[18:09] <surlyjake> then sudo mount -a
[18:11] <wilberfan_> well, umount told me several were busy...but i'm now the proud owner of a /mythdata partition on my desktop!
[18:11] <surlyjake> super.
[18:11] <wilberfan_> nowww.....?
[18:12] <surlyjake> chmod 777
[18:12] <wilberfan_> you better give me the entire command...
[18:12] <surlyjake> SUDO chmod 777 /mythdata
[18:12] <wilberfan_> (at least i knew enough to know that wasn't complete!)
[18:13] <surlyjake> SUDO chown <your username> /mythdata
[18:13] <wilberfan_> doesn't username have to be mythtv or something???
[18:13] <surlyjake> those are wide open permissions
[18:13] <surlyjake> 777
[18:14] <surlyjake> from my understanding 777 will let any user read/write/modify the data
[18:14] <wilberfan_> oh, ok.  cool.   done.
[18:14] <wilberfan_> (provided this works when were' done, this is fun...)
[18:15] <wilberfan_> we must be getting close to the back-and-frontend install....
[18:15] <surlyjake> im lazy with file permies on stuff like this, so yes... it is "insecure" but if you want to spend time securing TV recordings, go ahead
[18:15] <wilberfan_> nah.  not at this point...   too nooob.
[18:15] <wilberfan_> the world is welcome to my pr0n....
[18:16] <surlyjake> 2secs. i'm at work
[18:16] <wilberfan_> (wait. except that one with me and the cantelope!)
[18:19] <surlyjake> first, test out your mount by copying some stuff in there quick
[18:19] <wilberfan_> k
[18:20] <wilberfan_> [copying 347MB video file] so far, so good...
[18:21] <surlyjake> cool.
[18:21] <wilberfan_> done!  and it even plays!
[18:22] <wilberfan_> :)
[18:22] <surlyjake> alright. lets not get all distracted by your 347mb porn file
[18:22] <wilberfan_> [LOL!  thats exactly what it was!!]
[18:22] <wilberfan_> lol
[18:22] <surlyjake> now we are at the super easy gui part. smile for me.
[18:22] <wilberfan_> :D
[18:23] <surlyjake> this is also the well documented part. read this http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[18:23] <wilberfan_> [now officially jake's bitch, apparently]
[18:23] <surlyjake> skip about halfway down until you see "sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install mythtv mythtv-themes"
[18:23] <wilberfan_> Is that link better than this:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy_Backend_Frontend_Desktop?highlight=%28mythtv%29
[18:23] <wilberfan_> ?
[18:24] <surlyjake> ...yeading
[18:24] <surlyjake> *...reading
[18:25] <wilberfan_> it might amount to the same thing....
[18:26] <wilberfan_> (man, them blue screens bring back memories!)  {shudder}
[18:27] <surlyjake> yeah.  basically, except the ubuntu.com one references  the mythbuntu control center and is more gui-centric
[18:27] <surlyjake> go ahead and use the ubuntu one
[18:27] <surlyjake> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV#head-a2f3c5d4e6ca44e289fadd6e0f4a5fbded05efa7
[18:28] <wilberfan_> what's that link for?
[18:28] <wilberfan_> more help, right?
[18:28] <wilberfan_> (Oooh, look.  I DO have the PVR-350....)
[18:29] <wilberfan_> (Oh, wait...I'm using the nvidia s-video out...)
[18:29] <wilberfan_> so i can do the myth install now...?
[18:30] <wilberfan_> yikes.  here it comes!
[18:30] <wilberfan_> that's pretty frickin' nifty that you can click on a link and have things start installing....
[18:31] <wilberfan_> (too excited.  must go pee...)  brb
[18:33] <wilberfan_> hey, i get to specify my remote now...
[18:34] <wilberfan_> hmmm... I guess "Hauppage TV Card" is the best choice?
[18:37] <wilberfan_> [now installing xfce desktop]
[18:37] <wilberfan_> is it done?
[18:37] <wilberfan_> is there a way to tell?
[18:39] <wilberfan_> hmmm.   wonder what's next...  do i log out, and back into....myth?
[18:40] <tgm4883_laptop> try to start myth
[18:40] <tgm4883_laptop> it should prompt you to be added to the mythtv group
[18:40] <wilberfan_> via the mythbuntu control center...or....?
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop> applications .> sound and video > mythtv
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop> frontend
[18:42] <wilberfan_> tgm4883_laptop, don't i have to configure the backend first?
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[18:42] <tgm4883_laptop> then mythtv-setup from MCC is what you want
[18:43] <wilberfan_> and there is no menu entry for myth in sound/video...
[18:44] <wilberfan_> should i keep the "Ubuntu Desktop" choice...since this has been added to a gutsy install?
[18:44] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[18:44] <tgm4883_laptop> IMO, MCC needs a little bit of clarification in that area
[18:44] <wilberfan_> even though this is an 'older' box?
[18:44] <wilberfan_> (Pentium 4)
[18:45] <tgm4883_laptop> well even if you uncheck Ubuntu Desktop, it will only remove the metapackage and not really accomplilsh anything
[18:45] <wilberfan_> (you know--i REALLY appreciate the help you guys are offering...]
[18:45] <wilberfan_> ah..ok.
[18:45] <wilberfan_> do i hit "apply" after each setup--or wait until the end--or...?
[18:46] <tgm4883_laptop> secondly, if you are only using it as a frontend, it will boot into xfce4 and gnome will only be using a small amount of HD space
[18:46] <tgm4883_laptop> apply after every page, it should prompt you to do so
[18:46] <wilberfan_> nah...it's back and front...
[18:46] <wilberfan_> "downloading add'l package files'.... ok
[18:46] <wilberfan_> must be installing the necessary back and front stuff....
[18:47] <wilberfan_> pretty cool....
[18:52] <wilberfan_> ok   system roles is done...next is probably....MythTV Config?
[18:52] <wilberfan_> ah...now there's a mythtv frontend entry in my menu, too....
[18:53] <wilberfan_> telling me to restart my session...  brb
[18:57] <wilberfan> hey, new theme!
[18:57] <wilberfan> first thing I notice though, is that at some point, something (xorg??) will have to be changed:  main display is coming up on computer monitor--NOT the TV...
[18:57] <surlyjake> *WOOOt. i'm back.
[18:57] <wilberfan> we missed ya!
[18:58] <wilberfan> after i get this all configured, do you know how to make the TV as the "main" display...?
[18:58] <wilberfan> cuz it's now the monitor...
[18:59] <wilberfan> oooh.  and here's where i have to specify the recording file etc...
[18:59] <surlyjake> should be in the nvidia-settings panel
[19:00] <wilberfan> you came back just in time!!
[19:00] <wilberfan> :)
[19:00] <wilberfan> looks like it's installed--time to configure...
[19:00] <wilberfan> how do we set up that "recordings" subdir now?
[19:01] <wilberfan> tgm4883_laptop has been helping in your absence....
[19:05] <surlyjake> suweet. how's it looking?
[19:05] <wilberfan> when do we set up the "recordings" subdir?
[19:06] <wilberfan> i'm in the configurating stage....
[19:07] <Tuv0k> Errors were encountered while processing:
[19:07] <Tuv0k>  mythtv-frontend
[19:07] <Tuv0k> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend
[19:07] <Tuv0k> etc
[19:07] <Tuv0k> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[19:09] <rhpot1991_laptop> Tuv0k: sudo apt-get -f install
[19:09] <Tuv0k> cmon rhpot1991  you know I tried that:)
[19:09] <Tuv0k> I'm no noob
[19:10] <Tuv0k> ;)
[19:10] <wilberfan> [running mythfilldatabase]
[19:10] <rhpot1991_laptop> which builds are you running?
[19:10] <Tuv0k> hardy
[19:10] <Tuv0k> 13 not fully installed or removed
[19:11] <wilberfan> surlyjake: not sure when/how to create the /mythdata/recordings directory....
[19:11] <rhpot1991_laptop> and it was previously working right?
[19:11] <Tuv0k> yup
[19:11] <Tuv0k> Setting up mythtv-frontend (0.21.0~fixes16338-0ubuntu2)
[19:11] <Tuv0k> just noticed somethine
[19:11] <Tuv0k> chown: cannot access `/var/log/mythtv': No such file or directory
[19:11] <Tuv0k> wha!?!
[19:11] <surlyjake> @wilber-> i'm looking
[19:11] <Tuv0k> how can that be
[19:12] <surlyjake> @wilber-> i'm looking
[19:12] <wilberfan_> sweet.  mythfilldatabase still running ok...
[19:12] <wilberfan_> surlyjake, thanks dude...
[19:13] <wilberfan_> [watching mythfill]
[19:14] <rhpot1991_laptop> Tuv0k: is mythtv-backend already installed?
[19:14] <Tuv0k> backend is on a diffent machine
[19:14] <Tuv0k> this is only a afrontend
[19:17] <surlyjake> @wilber-> its in the backend setup. it should pull up automatically before you are done setting everything up https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/mythtv-setup?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=be_setup_3.png
[19:18] <Tuv0k> rhpot1991_laptop, fixed it
[19:18] <rhpot1991_laptop> just made the dir yourself?
[19:18] <Tuv0k> yeah
[19:18] <wilberfan_> surlyjake, hmmmm.  There was an option to set it up for me when i tried to quit the setup...but i don't think it worked....
[19:18] <Tuv0k> thx though
[19:19] <Tuv0k> give sup my regards :)
[19:19] <wilberfan_> Man, now i don't know how many of the plugins to select....
[19:19] <Tuv0k> I've relocated recently, so I have not been around much
[19:19] <wilberfan_> Mythflix never DID work before...
[19:20] <wilberfan_> What is MythVideo?
[19:20] <rhpot1991_laptop> Tuv0k: looks like that should have gotten fixed in the latest weekly builds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/185646
[19:20] <wilberfan_> And what about Media Playback Applications?   Do I select ALL?  Some?
[19:20] <surlyjake> all
[19:20] <surlyjake> have fun
[19:21] <wilberfan_> ;)
[19:21] <wilberfan_> this'll be nifty as hell (if it works!)!
[19:21] <wilberfan_> does myth select the player it uses?   do I select it...?
[19:22] <rhpot1991_laptop> wilberfan_: I believe its the internal mythplayer by default, but you can change that
[19:22] <wilberfan_> k
[19:25] <wilberfan_> "Generate dynamic button mappings"?
[19:25] <wilberfan_> under the Remote Control section...
[19:26] <wilberfan_> any ideas one way or the other?   (it's currently UNchecked)
[19:32] <wilberfan_> any idea what causes the faint horizontal bands that scroll up the tv screen?  (interlace or something??)
[19:32] <wilberfan_> or how to fix it?
[19:33] <wilberfan_> and...is it safe to issue a "shutdown -h 01:00" type command to shutdown the computer after I've done my recording for the evening?
[19:35] <MythbuntuGuest32> hi guys, i was hoping someone could help
[19:36] <rhpot1991_laptop> wilberfan_: should be fine, and you can enable deinterlacing to see if it helps (not really sure what you are describing)
[19:36] <MythbuntuGuest32> on my mythtv program guide the preview video is on the left and it is all fuzzy, everything else on myth is perfect
[19:36] <MythbuntuGuest32> can anyone help?
[19:36] <MythbuntuGuest32> (the preview video should be on the right)
[19:44] <wilberfan_> Guys, i gotta leave for work now...but just wanted to say Mega Gracias for all your help...   When I get back tonight (6-ish Pacific Time) maybe we can iron out the last remaining wrinkles!
[19:44] <wilberfan_> :-D
[19:48] <wilberfan> hmm.  does the keyboard not work with myth any more?!
[19:48] <wilberfan> oh, wait...there it goes....
[23:32] <wilberfan> is there a better way to shutdown my machine (post-recording) at the end of the night than just a shutdown command (ie, "shutdown -h 01:30" etc)?
[23:39] <wilberfan> [crickets chirping]