[00:00] They were seperate conversations. I'd come into the channel and not even read that. [00:00] I was commenting on XKCD. It was hardly about oral sex or something. [00:00] you were asked not to continue - then you debated the call [00:00] bad idea [00:00] if a call is made it usually has good reason with it [00:00] so leave it to the ops please [00:01] good idea, I don't see how anyone can justify stiffling reasonable debate. Sorry I started it in the wrong channel but even so :/ [00:01] Stormx2`: Ubuntu isn't here for "debate" of any kind [00:02] we provide #ubuntu-offtopic as a channel to discuss non help stuff [00:02] I'm well aware you do so. [00:02] Stormx2`, so ehh why you here? [00:03] A couple of reasons: [00:03] * ompaul waits for a moment [00:04] 1) To contest that "blows" does any damage to anyone in the channel 2) To complain that I was kicked AND banned because I debated the decision. I would have come in here or brought it to PM if I though that was what you wanted. [00:04] 2) now you know [00:04] 1) it was a context even if you were not aware of it [00:04] But was that the best way of telling me? With a ban? [00:04] 0) now lets get on with it [00:05] Stormx2`: i gave you *plenty* of opportunity to back off and let the subject drop. [00:05] the fact is you were asked to back off [00:05] Okay, final thing. Where do you draw the line on !ohmy. I mean "blows" is pretty low down on the vulgar scale but things are lower. You must draw it somewhere. [00:05] no [00:05] there is no line - only context and common sense [00:05] and when I say that it means that the line position may change given conditions [00:06] Stormx2`, no, there are many lines that just cannot arbitrarily be drawn no matter how hard we'd try. and hey, if there *were* a way to draw such lines with inequivocable clearness, we'd just have a bot instead of ops. [00:06] Bots can't understand context. [00:06] * mneptok is actually ~3500 lines of Python [00:06] Stormx2`: and indeed we have ops. [00:06] Stormx2`: and neither can people who, by their own admission, just joined a channel [00:06] mneptok: that's your problem, the language. [00:07] mneptok, wait, what? [00:07] I understand the context of my own remarks, thanks very much. [00:07] o.O [00:07] When I joined doesn't come into that. [00:08] Anyway [00:08] * nickrud thinks mneptok needs an upgrade [00:08] Whatever. I still thing it's very knitpicky. [00:08] But point taken, I'll contest things in here. [00:08] You guys do a good job 99.9% of the time :) [00:08] Stormx2`, your context is not in debate here - as for knitpicking when you point one finger several others point back in your direction [00:08] Stormx2`, please drop it now [00:09] ompaul: I was about to. Those were my closing remarks o.O [00:09] with that I point to the topic of this channel and bit you a good day [00:09] Kay, cya [00:09] arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [00:10] the full moon is out :) [00:10] irc op is punishment indeed [00:11] * ompaul whips self to remind self [00:43] do we have a macedonian language channel? [02:02] !mk [02:02] Sorry, I don't know anything about mk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [03:13] SNuxoll called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (CSlime) [03:15] a troll. [03:15] pure and unadulterated. [03:28] aye [03:28] heh [03:28] and -uncensored is wondering why he got klined [03:32] Hobbsee: oh? [03:32] nalioth: aren't you there? [03:33] yes, in another shell [03:34] had to go look at it [03:34] you are aware of why, right? [03:35] trolling, apparently. i'm not in -offtopic [03:35] ahh, you missed it. [03:35] it was classic [03:36] /query me with it? [04:02] ugh. [04:03] plz eat DrDerek kthxbai [06:19] Its an ompaul! [06:20] PriceChild, 10 points for a correct answer, and your next question is what time is it? [06:26] Its "too early" o'clock [06:26] not for trolls [06:26] unfortunately [06:27] Uu a nalioth too. [06:27] PriceChild, did not not feel the network quake [06:27] ompaul: hmm? [06:28] PriceChild, me n mr n at the same time [06:29] ahh [06:29] scary stuff [06:31] * PriceChild checks out nin [06:31] PriceChild: ghosts.nin.com [06:31] its a bit early for that [06:31] nalioth: yup already got it :) [06:31] thanks [07:59] credible called the ops in #ubuntu (basketball589) [08:56] Morning lads and ladies [09:35] Amaranth, i'm pretty sure there'll be few people lining up to report drderek missing if he were to meet such circumstances... ie... kick him if he gets even stupider [09:35] indeed [12:33] Am I not right in guessing that ubotu changed owners recently? [12:35] !User list --capability=owner [12:35] ubotu: User list --capability=owner [12:35] =/ [12:36] oh it is Seveas still [13:26] !botabuse | AndrewB :P [13:26] AndrewB :P: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids. [13:26] Tsk tsk [13:27] Pici, ? me or AndrewB ? [13:27] AndrewB ;) [13:27] :P [13:28] heh [13:29] Mez: approve me on the GB translators dammit or you will be getting bot abuse! ;) [13:30] AndrewB, /msg [14:14] hmm http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/sortChannel/channel=%23ubuntu-offtopic [14:15] hmmm, which bot? [14:15] dunno [14:15] Amaranth is looking... or is going to kick everyone [14:17] I fired off an email too [14:18] Mez: Get anything interesting? [14:18] it's probably stealthed like those other log bots [14:18] Besides an imprint of Seveas's shoe? [14:19] Seveas: Your script is messed up, you didn't drop the +o [14:19] Amaranth: He never does, I think its on purpose [14:19] Alright, lets go through a list here [14:19] aoupi [14:19] anyone know who that is? [14:19] yes [14:19] Amaranth, I might have [14:19] Aranel [14:19] -Eneloop- VERSION Orbit Technology v1.6.18 [14:19] good enough for me [14:20] -Aranel- VERSION Seni Ilgilendirmeyen Bir Surum [14:20] weird nick, never heard of them, never seen them talk before [14:20] hmm I also got [14:20] pissoff now or ill get you, i know who you are and whare you live [14:20] then again... [14:20] lovely [14:21] eneloop joined again way too fast [14:21] !CoC | zenrox [14:21] zenrox: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ [14:21] !CoC > zenrox [14:21] I don't know anyone but us that autorejoins on force part except us [14:21] That looked more like "oops, i left this channel, better get back in to log" [14:22] is #ubuntu logged too? [14:22] No [14:22] http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/status [14:22] Yes [14:22] yes? [14:22] http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/sortChannel/channel=%23ubuntu [14:22] and Eneloop is in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic [14:22] I'd see what users are in those freenode channels and cross reference them between each other [14:23] I'd banforward random people to here but then they might start logging here :P [14:23] arrr [14:24] Freenode Channels where bot is on: #zftalk #ubuntu-offtopic,#trac,#symfony,#adium,'madwifi,#debianfr [14:24] Mez: But they are apparently logging #ubuntu too [14:24] I think its a neat idea, but I don't remember anyone asking to do it. [14:24] yes, but Currently thats offline [14:24] or they were 24 hours ago [14:24] #ubuntu #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-fr #ubuntu-offtopic are all listed in the list at the bottom of the links page [14:25] damnit, i need a small channel :P [14:25] summarize for me please - we have a couple of bots (eneloop, aranel...? with different version replies?) logging links that are said on channels - correct? [14:25] We don't know who the bots are but yes, we have bot(s) in multiple channels logging links [14:25] LjL: http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/sortChannel/channel=%23ubuntu-offtopic [14:25] LjL: that sounds about right to me [14:26] Pici: yes i've clicked [14:26] LjL: ah, okay :) [14:26] Wasn't sure if you missed the link [14:26] so they've been there for ages [14:26] well, weeks [14:26] looks like 3 weeks to a month [14:26] "aranel" rings a bell somehow [14:27] Why don't we just figure out how long 10027 is and see who joined then [14:27] Pici: how long what is? [14:27] err, price [14:27] Well t hat page infers they've been online 10027 seconds...? [14:27] they have? [14:28] well [14:28] tell you in a moment [14:28] doesn't it? [14:28] that's almost 3 hours [14:28] http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/status [14:28] yeah indeed that's nothing [14:28] Amaranth: pardon? [14:28] LjL: pardon? [14:28] --> sen3 (n=sen@193.190.63.142) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic [14:28] --> benzss (n=huhu@5ac0fb33.bb.sky.com) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic [14:28] <-- tonyyarusso has quit (Nick collision from services.) [14:28] --> tonyyarusso (n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic [14:28] --> neeto (n=chatzill@207.62.165.156) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic [14:28] [14:29] so it'd be sen3, benzss, tonyyarusso, or neeto :P [14:29] 12:42:37 03/04/08 [14:29] is 10027 seconds ago [14:29] CET [14:30] sen3 is not there [14:30] benzss is in too many channels that don't fit [14:30] Amaranth: not tonyyarusso hehe [14:30] jussi01: i know :P [14:30] :P [14:31] and neeto is not there [14:31] so that number either isn't seconds or doesn't mean anything [14:31] are you sure? I calculate it being nearer 11:40 utc, DOOM_NX [14:32] ah, right, i was a few minutes off [14:32] PriceChild: i checked with 10027, course it's changed now... [14:32] stupid rounding [14:32] 11:39:35 03/04/08 UTC [14:33] DOOM_NX is in channels that aren't being logged [14:33] yup [14:33] He's not a bot. [14:33] The status page also says that he's in #debianfr [14:34] this is so frustrating [14:34] I've whoised all in there cept the ops, and none of them are in -offtopic [14:34] so it's multiple bots then [14:34] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58372/ this is for -ot [14:35] no ops are in there either [14:35] gah, why is debian so broken [14:36] they *aren't* (afawk) in any channels that aren't listed at http://scrutator.lo2k.net/Master/status though, are they? [14:37] Alright, I don't have time for this [14:37] * Amaranth goes back to hating debian for making his work harder [14:37] They're not in some of the channels eitehr.... [14:37] hmm [14:37] (#scrutator I've looked on lango, efnet, they're not there [14:38] I suspect there is more than one bot, and they have different bots in deifferent channels correct? [14:38] I was about to say it was 'beasty' but hes not in all of the freenode channels [14:38] jussi01: yes [14:38] #ubuntu is offline now [14:39] well that rules eneloop out [14:39] the entire freenode is offline now [14:40] hm [14:40] #symfony: [15:40:02] --> Albah has joined this channel (n=Albah@213.135.233.70). [14:40] do we have anyone matching 88.191.48.117 [14:40] /whois albah [14:40] whazzup [14:40] seems likely [14:40] Pici: not likely, it's it [14:40] Myrtti: hi! we're playing detective today [14:40] cool [14:40] Mez: going through a load to see [14:41] Well that solves that [14:41] Albah is the name that was given to a bot ... [14:41] it *says* the name of the bot on the site :) [14:41] (it mentions albah on the site) [14:41] I must have mispelled it when I did the whois the first time [14:41] It's in #u-t now too [14:41] which I didnt see before [14:42] u-t? [14:42] * [Albah] #ubuntu-offtopic #python.de #symfony #madwifi #zftalk #ruby #adium #seagull [14:42] u-ot [14:42] not anymore [14:42] looks like it was just rebooted too :D [14:42] 97s online [14:43] yeah it just joined [14:43] Banned from #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic [14:44] where's .lu ? [14:44] lithuania? [14:44] They've just launched another few bots too.. [14:45] luxemburg [14:45] Luxumbourg? [14:45] i never spell that right [14:45] me neither [14:45] * [RedDwarf] (~RedDwarf@lango-5CD71EA1.lo2k.net): None [14:45] * [RedDwarf] #scrutator [14:45] .lu Luxembourg [14:45] thats a masked address on another server for another bot [14:46] Mez: on another network right? [14:46] LjL - yeah [14:46] and [14:46] * [scrutator] (~scrutator@oil-ocean.lo2k.net): None [14:46] well, no *.lo2k.net on freenode [14:47] LjL, we cant see that ... [14:47] I dont think [14:47] And concidering the one bot isnt set +s (?) I dont think the others would be [14:47] Mez: well, yeah if they are +i we can't, but given i'm in all channels they claim to monitor, i should see them [14:48] Pici: +i [14:48] Pici: +s is for channels [14:48] Dave2, fancy checking if there are any annoying lil bleeders from that mask ? [14:48] LjL: Hence the question mark :) [14:49] Pici: how did you come across that site in the first place? [14:49] I swear I saw Dave2 around a second ago [14:50] jussi01: magnetron pasted it in #u-ot, I think he was googling for himself [14:50] ahh, ok then [14:50] Pici: you question, i answer [14:51] * Mez may have also found some more bots [14:53] I see nothing related. And why does my xchat keep hanging. [14:53] Dave2, cause xchat sucks ? [14:55] Albah: Are you a bot? [14:55] Amaranth: You do not have permission to access this page when the sun and moon and stars are you. [14:55] LMAO I didn't notice that [14:55] hehe [14:57] * scrutator (~scrutator@oil-ocean.lo2k.net) has joined #scrutator <-- FQDN (unmasked) from efnet [14:59] Dave2, can you make me contact for #ubuntu-lt please? [15:07] Dave2 is the shineh [15:07] noticed... [15:07] gary, please? [15:07] LjL: canna do that yet [15:07] Dave2 should, or better still ask nalioth [15:07] both unavailable it seems [15:07] * Mez slaps Dave2 [15:07] ow [15:08] eh... you were marked away now [15:08] LjL, hehe - but he's also chatting in another channel ;0 [15:08] Dave2, fancy a drink later? [15:08] I think you owe me one from last time ;) [15:08] Hah, I have far too much work to get done and 10 days to get it done in [15:10] LjL, want me to drop the channel and op you so you can register? [15:10] with a fresh channel setup [15:10] Dave2: same for me [15:10] LjL: is that a L for -lt and if so where is lt? [15:10] Lithuania [15:10] oh, d'oh [15:11] Dave2: thanks [15:11] I'll take that as a yes :P [15:11] should have known that, what with all the broken lt cars in our carpark (motorway rescue) [15:11] Dave2, So that's a no then ? [15:11] ? [15:12] Dave2, fancy a drink later? [15:12] I think you owe me one from last time ;) [15:12] <+Dave2> Hah, I have far too much work to get done and 10 days to get it done in [15:12] ah, yes, I really need to get this done. no idea how I'm going to \o/ [15:12] so no beer ? :( [15:12] indeed [15:13] meh [15:13] Mez: Ill shout you 2 beers if you make it to my local :P [15:13] jussi01, which is wher E? [15:14] Mez: Oulu, Finland :P [15:14] bit far from me [15:15] yeah, figures... [15:15] you might not like the weather either [15:15] It's actually vaguely sunny here [15:16] we have a nice -9 here :) http://weather.willab.fi/weather.html [15:16] that weather station is about 1km from my house :D [15:16] we have 8-9 here (or that is what my car said) [15:17] "+" [15:17] hehe [15:17] * jussi01 is ~200kms from te arctic circle [15:20] 8ᴼ here [15:24] ⚠ [15:46] nickrud, I see -9 and wonder what scale that is on.. you and I will both have weather in the high 60's today [15:47] Jack_Sparrow: celsius [15:47] Is there a multiplier for that.. :) [15:48] 71 f here yesterday [15:48] Jack_Sparrow: google has a good converter [15:49] 21.6 c to you [15:49] your -9 is our 15 [15:49] Jack_Sparrow: 16to you [15:49] Jack_Sparrow: heh. Southern Cal has some advantages [15:51] Jack_Sparrow: Id love 21 degrees mmmm... warmth [15:52] Our house was not heated until this year..... Took it out 15 years ago and never got around to putting one in. [15:52] Jack_Sparrow: I die with out heating [15:53] I can believe that. To us it was not a big deal... Occasionally get up in the am and bake something to warm the house [15:54] take care, time for me to have breakfast and do some exercises. [16:47] is it just me or is there amazingly little activity in #ubuntu today [16:48] yeah, it's weird [16:48] it was busier than this overnight (US) [16:48] i suppose i could blame politics [16:49] but that's only a couple states [16:49] It does seem quite dead [16:50] I'm sure I could go and start spamming stuff if you are bored :P [16:50] It was busy this morning. [16:52] probably it's the right time for my question :) [16:55] Seeker`: you and nickserv fighting again? [16:58] nalioth: yup [16:58] nalioth: better? [16:58] yay [17:07] Question: What should we do if a user responds with a threatening message to a CTCP version? [17:07] /whois zenrox [17:07] /ctcp zenrox version [17:08] 1204650512 11:08 CTCP VERSION reply from zenrox: xchat 2.8.4 Ubuntu ?? [17:09] i see [17:09] nalioth, did you not get the message aswell? [17:09] yes, it was up in the high numbers [17:10] ah, irssi ;) [17:11] i've requested he change it [17:11] :) [18:16] Gah. What is with the bad advice today. [18:23] Pici: have you checked the forums? [18:23] * Pici gives up, goes to lunch === mc44_ is now known as mc44 === nalioth_ is now known as nalioth [20:33] !ping [20:33] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [21:04] Hey, I heard back from the logging guy [21:04] He says the bots are run by other people that just plug into his API [21:04] 'If you don't want this bot on your channel, please put channel in private. If channel is in "public", I presume logging is authorised.' [21:04] then he said to just ban it [21:04] which we did :D [21:06] Amaranth: and klined [21:12] can any of you power users tell me why my torrents and irc work fine but my web browsers and email client just sit and spin? [21:20] nalioth: DNS? [21:21] Amaranth: how are the torrents finding their way? [21:21] dht? [21:21] Who grants ubuntu/member hostmasks? Seveas? [21:21] nalioth: Peer Exchange is IP based [21:21] tritium: the council [21:21] tritium: me, nal, lj.l or elky [21:22] PriceChild: ah, okay. We have a newly-approved member in our LoCo that needs a hostmask. [21:22] tritium: send him in once he's followed http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup to link two nicks and set an email :) [21:23] PriceChild: thanks. gcleric did you see that? [21:23] gcleric: please follow http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup to link two nicknames and set an email. [21:23] gcleric: Could I also have your launchpad url./ [21:23] Thanks for your help, PriceChild. [21:23] Amaranth: i can ping www.yahoo.com, too [21:24] if it's DNS, it's not systemic [21:24] PriceChild: https://launchpad.net/~grammatoncleric [21:24] gcleric: please identify to services [21:24] PriceChild: I can provide you a link to the membership announcement on UWN, if you need. [21:24] PriceChild: and I've registered my nick to gcleric [21:25] gcleric: equilibrium? [21:25] PriceChild: of course [21:25] yup... [21:25] =) [21:25] gcleric: please identify to nickserv. [21:25] gcleric: we cannot proceed until you're identified === credible_ is now known as credible [21:26] /msg nickserv link gcleric wanqui-1 [21:27] gcleric: please identify to services and change your password immediately. [21:27] remove leading space [21:27] gcleric: /msg nickserv set password [21:27]