[00:19] <theunixgeek> I'm getting a "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" error upon trying to mount my flash drive. What should I do to fix this?
[05:18] <achandrashekar> Hey all..I have more interesting findings about the setup of djcp failover and ldap setup. Specifically as it addresses boot process
[05:19] <achandrashekar> if i bring up the second ltsp server before the first, at which time the second has a ldap client connected to the ldap server first it  hngs.
[06:55] <krsnendu>                                                                                                                                                  bnhghq ,ml
[06:56] <krsnendu> sorry that was my baby
[07:46] <stgraber> ogra__: Edubuntu Add-on amd64/i386 <-- Is that name good for you ?
[07:48] <ogra__> Edubuntu (Ubuntu educational Add-on CD) amd64/i386
[07:48] <ogra__> something like that
[07:48] <ogra__> rich wants the new name exposed
[07:49] <stgraber> ok, I'll see if that name isn't tool long for the tracker UI :)
[07:49] <ogra__> so we can flip it around in intrepid to be "Ubuntu educational addon CD (edubuntu)"
[07:49] <ogra__> well, esle just call it add-on :)
[07:49] <ogra__> *else
[07:50] <stgraber> I need to keep "Edubuntu" at the beginning for the tracker though (otherwise it wouldn't be in the menu)
[07:50] <stgraber> trying with Edubuntu (Ubuntu educational Add-on)
[07:50] <ogra__> then do as you suggested :)
[07:51] <stgraber> keeping "Upgrade Edubuntu" as it is though as it's about upgrading the old Edubuntu and not the new Ubuntu educational thing :)
[07:52] <ogra__> right
[09:22] <jvanrooyen> Hi im busy changing my lts.conf file in edubuntu gutsy for the clients to use 1024x786 resolutions? Did the changes but it stays the same
[09:23] <jvanrooyen> I also ran ltsp-update-image after changing
[09:23] <jvanrooyen> Still shows the lower resolution
[09:23] <jvanrooyen> Can anyone help on this one?
[12:01] <coolio> can anyone tell me why the login authentication take so long
[12:01] <coolio> infact sometimes it does not recognise the user
[12:02] <ogra_cmpc> network saturation ?
[12:04] <coolio> ogca: i have 40 terminals on networ, 1ghz between server and switch, terminals 100mb/s
[12:08] <ogra_cmpc> whats the HW specs of that server
[12:09] <ogra_cmpc> for 40 clients you will need at least 5.5G
[12:10] <ogra_cmpc> if the machine is low on ram or has slow disks and is under heavy load, it can happen that sshd times out
[12:11] <ogra_cmpc> generally you can look up login issues in /var/log/auth.log ... if you see the attempts in there its not the network ...
[12:12] <ogra_cmpc> if you get to the point where the liogin manager goes away and you see a black screen with mouse pointer, thats already gnome-session, so probs with that will be logged in ~/.xsession-errors
[12:13] <ogra_cmpc> generally saying "its slow" is like a bugreport that says "doesnt work ",,, you need to give a bit more details
[12:13] <coolio> i am checking the log
[12:14] <ogra_cmpc> whats the HW specs ? does the server have enough ram ?
[12:14] <ogra_cmpc> and if so, do you use a kernel that can handle it
[12:14] <coolio> 2 x cpu , 8gb memory
[12:15] <ogra_cmpc> and the free command reports all 8gig ?
[12:19] <stgraber> ogra: Have you done the seed/package deps change to install italc with LTSP (in place of tcm) ?
[12:19] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, after alpha is out
[12:19] <ogra_cmpc> i didnt want to trigger new builds for it
[12:20] <ogra_cmpc> so tonight or tomorrow
[12:20] <ogra_cmpc> i'm also not sure yet if i want italc-master installed by default or if i just add it to the ship seed
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> -client will go into edubuntu-desktop
[12:21] <ogra_cmpc> adding it to -server doesnt seem right either
[12:24] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: I'd make both optional as it'll open two extra ports and one shouldn't do that when directly connected to the internet
[12:24] <ogra_cmpc> hmm
[12:24] <ogra_cmpc> i'd like the client by default actually
[12:24] <stgraber> why ?
[12:25] <ogra_cmpc> so the teacher doesnt have to run around and install it everywhere
[12:25] <stgraber> it'll have anyway
[12:25] <stgraber> as he'll need to install his key on all computers
[12:25] <ogra_cmpc> hrm
[12:26] <ogra_cmpc> i thought about adding a gconf check to the .desktop file
[12:26] <ogra_cmpc> so you could switch it on/off via a gconf key
[12:26] <stgraber> the teacher needs to copy the public key from his computer to all of the others, so manual intervention (or scripted intervention) is needed in all cases
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> right, we need a good gui for that in 1.0.7 ;)
[12:27] <ogra_cmpc> or 2.0 or whatever he will call the next version :)
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> anyway ... i'd like to have it there by default, it doesnt need to start though ...
[12:30] <ogra_cmpc> is ica-launcher upstream ?
[12:33] <stgraber> no
[12:33] <stgraber> it's the LTSP hack
[12:33] <ogra_cmpc> ah, cool
[12:33] <ogra_cmpc> that could check for a gconf key
[12:33] <stgraber> italc-launcher is the part generating the config file
[12:34] <ogra_cmpc> or the kde equivalent :)
[12:34]  * ogra_cmpc wonders what the kde equivalent for gconf might be
[12:34] <stgraber> .kde ? not sure of what kind of API they have for it
[15:19] <alumno10> hi all!
[15:21] <alumno10> how can i umount usb drive in clients, with commands
[15:21] <alumno10> ?
[15:32] <alumno10> hi vistakiller
[15:32] <vistakiller> hi
[15:34] <alumno10> ogra_cmpc, do you remember that i had sis7019 sound hardware, which is not longer supported by kernel, since 2.6.14 or so, then i found an usb sound adapter, i want to now if this could be a solution?
[15:34] <alumno10> the specific model is USBG-SV5
[15:35] <alumno10> *(usb sound adapter model)
[15:37] <alumno10> *the obsolete sis7019 sound hardware is on the clients
[15:40] <even> hi there, anyone uses LTSP here ?
[15:43] <alumno10> i do
[15:46] <even> alumno10: which interface you uses
[15:46] <even> ?
[15:48] <alumno10> X
[15:48] <even> hm?
[15:48] <even> xfce ?
[15:48] <alumno10> icewm
[15:49] <even> hm
[15:52] <alumno10> its pretty light, and loads instantly, the server is 512mbram 1200mhz amd , and clients are 200mhz ebox
[15:52] <alumno10> (11 clients)
[15:57] <even> hm 1 got a 8 xeon 1.6 with 6G of ram, i need support how many thins i can
[15:58] <even> i'll lunch
[16:00] <alumno10> ok,,,
[16:13] <ogra_cmpc> even, you need aboout 128M per running session on the server plus 256M for the server to operate
[16:14] <ogra_cmpc> so 1.5G give you 10 clients
[17:09] <pygi> ogra, have a sec?
[17:15] <ogra_cmpc> grmbl
[17:15] <ogra_cmpc> bad day for freenode today it seems
[17:15] <LaserJock> started last night for me
[17:16] <LaserJock> lot's of netsplits
[17:16] <ogra_cmpc> yep
[17:16] <ogra_cmpc> there was an operator msg some hours ago
[17:16] <ogra_cmpc> but that said they belive the DoS is done
[17:16] <ogra_cmpc> doesnt look like though
[17:18] <ogra_cmpc> pygi, still alive ?
[17:19] <pygi> ogra_cmpc, yup
[17:19] <pygi> just wanted to ask is there any edu-related app we would need? :)
[17:19] <ogra_cmpc> hey
[17:19] <pygi> hey ^_^
[17:19] <ogra_cmpc> not at that state of the release
[17:19] <pygi> oh, I know that! But I was thinking to write one as part of SoC
[17:20] <ogra_cmpc> we have plenty of CD space though
[17:20] <LaserJock> we should have a nice app-review at UDS
[17:20] <LaserJock> get an early start on Hardy+1
[17:20] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[17:20]  * LaserJock wants a really good chemistry teaching tool :-)
[17:20] <pygi> oh well, no Edubuntu soc then :)
[17:21] <ogra_cmpc> ubuntu educational SoC probably ;)
[17:21] <LaserJock> heh
[17:21] <pygi> ok, ok, that :P
[17:21] <LaserJock> is Ubuntu a mentoring organization again this year?
[17:21] <pygi> but with what kind of game/app/tool? :)
[17:21] <pygi> LaserJock, as always :p
[17:21] <ogra_cmpc> edubuntu as a brand will become only one piece of ubuntu in education
[17:22] <pygi> ye, ye, I know
[17:22] <ogra_cmpc> and i must say compared to the classromm cd + addon in gutsy, alternate + addon feels a lot cleaner
[17:23] <LaserJock> pygi: I kinda wondered if we'd really get anything after the last couple years
[17:23] <LaserJock> ogra_cmpc: indeed
[17:23]  * ogra_cmpc spent most of the last days with install tests and it looks way more professional as it is now
[17:23] <LaserJock> actually, what about that app-review engine/app that we spec'd out in Sevilla?
[17:23] <ogra_cmpc> not as much piecemeal feeling anymore
[17:24] <LaserJock> awesome
[17:24] <LaserJock> would the app-review thing make a decent SoC project?
[17:24] <ogra_cmpc> hmm
[17:24] <ogra_cmpc> likely
[17:24] <ogra_cmpc> but we should talk to the QA team
[17:24] <LaserJock> it's not something one of us is likely to have time for in the near future :-)
[17:24] <ogra_cmpc> they probably plan something alike in a bigger view
[17:25] <LaserJock> PackageStorm :-)
[17:25] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, do you know if something like an appreview web tool for user feedback is on the QA team todo list ?
[17:26] <ogra_cmpc> sounds somewhat like it would fall into the QA area
[17:26] <LaserJock> yeah
[17:26] <LaserJock> although as spec'd it would be a bit more
[17:26] <ogra_cmpc> right
[17:27] <LaserJock> but yeah, QA's seems to be doing that kind of stuff
[17:27] <LaserJock> anyway, I think that'd probably make a good SoC
[17:27] <ogra_cmpc> yeah
[17:28] <LaserJock> I tend to think having SoC people write entirely new apps for Edubuntu is kind of a waste
[17:28] <LaserJock> we don't do a lot of app development to start with ;-)
[17:28] <LaserJock> other than maybe if somebody wanted to do some sort of LTSP project
[17:28] <pygi> LaserJock, you mean as in good proposals?
[17:29] <LaserJock> pygi: yeah
[17:29]  * pygi doesnt even have an idea what that is
[17:29] <pygi> LaserJock, what kind of user feedback app are you hunting for?
[17:30] <ogra_cmpc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuApplicationReview
[17:31] <pygi> or in other words, where do I see the specs/
[17:31] <pygi> ?
[17:33] <ogra_cmpc> the spec is "something similar to the wine appdb" with the scope of the spec above focusing on ubuntu arcvive as backbone
[17:34] <mario_> ergh
[17:34] <mario_> damn connection
[17:34] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: define app review ?
[17:35] <ogra_cmpc> stgraber, see the spec page above
[17:35] <stgraber> ogra_cmpc: mvo asked for some kind of improved packages.ubuntu.com where users could vote for their favourite packages and vote for them
[17:35] <ogra_cmpc> something similar to the wine appdb page
[17:36] <ogra_cmpc> right if we get that sortable by category and we could have an edu section that would be perfect
[17:36] <ogra_cmpc> what we thought of was actually a bit more
[17:36] <ogra_cmpc> like a screenshot per app etc
[17:36] <ogra_cmpc> and a review system that allows commenting
[17:36] <stgraber> well, the idea of mvo was to use the code we did for http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com and use it for packages
[17:37] <ogra_cmpc> right
[17:37] <stgraber> so it'd be the same as brainstorm.u.c except that we would have all the packages in the DB
[17:37] <stgraber> and use apt's category or something similar for sorting
[17:37] <ogra_cmpc> the brainstorm release actually remineded me of the old spec :)
[17:37] <pygi> stgraber, isnt that just an addition to brainstorm.u.c code then?
[17:37] <ogra_cmpc> or rather of the fact that this belongs in QA
[17:38] <pygi> (if that's open source?)
[17:38] <stgraber> we'll have an Ubuntu QA and Ubuntu Brainstorm session at FOSSCamp
[17:38] <stgraber> pygi: brainstorm.ubuntu.com (open source) is one of the Ubuntu QA modules for Drupal
[17:38] <stgraber> pygi: it's in fact the same website as iso.qa.ubuntu.com and qa.ubuntu.com
[17:38] <ogra_cmpc> great, i'll attend (i think ... not sure i'm planned for fosscamp this time)
[17:39] <stgraber> Nicolas and myself will only be at FOSSCamp no UDS for me this time :)
[17:39] <ogra_cmpc> oh :(
[17:40] <stgraber> well, I have exams the same week as UDS :(
[17:40] <ogra_cmpc> prague is so nice, you should consider adding one or two vacation days, its cheap there
[17:40] <ogra_cmpc> gah
[17:41] <stgraber> yes ... bad timing :)
[17:41] <ogra_cmpc> will be a strange uds ... the first time since sydney without jim and scott ...
[17:42] <ogra_cmpc> in boston we had at least scottie
[17:58] <mrunagi> NOT IF THE FUCKING SHOULD LISTEN
[17:58] <mrunagi> OR IF THEY ARE GOD DAMN RIGHT!
[17:58] <mrunagi> FUCK THE GOD DAMN OPS!
[17:58] <mrunagi> EVERY ONE OF THEM!
[17:58] <mrunagi> I HOPE YOU ALL FUCKING DIE GOD DAMN LOSERS!
[18:00]  * ogra doesnt want to die ,,,
[18:00] <alumno10> hi all
[18:55] <alumno10> hey, edubuntu feisty, uses ltsp5 right?
[18:55] <alumno10> and according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/187879
[18:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 187879 in linux-source-2.6.22 "ac97_codec module and symbols missing, some OSS modules can't load [undefined symbol ac97_probe_codec]" [Undecided,Won't fix]
[18:56] <alumno10> sis7019 might work ?
[18:58]  * ogra wont attend the meeting tonight ... see you all tomorrow ...
[18:58] <stgraber> hmm, ok ... see you
[18:59] <alumno10> bye ogra
[19:00] <ogra> stgraber, rich will run a short one though
[19:00] <stgraber> k
[19:28] <alumno10> hey, edubuntu feisty, uses ltsp5 right?
[19:31] <alumno10> and feisty has sis7019 support too right??
[19:33] <alumno10> analfabeta
[19:33] <analfabeta> hi
[19:33] <alumno10> hola
[19:46] <elisboa> all
[19:56] <RichEd> == edubuntu meeting == in #ubuntu-meeting in 5 mins ==
[19:56] <RichEd> who's here for the meeting ?
[19:56] <RichEd> ogra is not available tonight
[20:00] <RichEd> hi LaserJock
[20:00] <RichEd> ogra is not here for the meeting tonight :( so no tech
[20:00] <RichEd> and i have a small crisis at home i am dealing with
[20:00] <RichEd> did you or stgraber or anyone else have any major pressing issues ?
[20:02] <LaserJock> I don't think so
[20:02] <LaserJock> squeak isn't going all that well
[20:02] <LaserJock> but I'm trying to figure out a way to get it to work
[20:03] <RichEd> i really need to attend to my issue at home ... so if anyone pops up, let them know we're not holding any formal discussion tonight
[20:03] <LaserJock> RichEd: oh, Google Summer of Code is starting up again. We might want to give some thought to any useful projects
[20:03] <LaserJock> will do
[20:03] <RichEd> could you run it then ?
[20:03] <LaserJock> run what?
[20:03] <dcsquare> is edubuntu a version of ubuntu with the educational apps added? Or the difference is bigger?
[20:03] <RichEd> thanks ... pop in to the channel, raise the topic and see as a sidebar if anyone is around for comment or discussion
[20:04] <RichEd> i'll check logs from my window tomorrow for any follow up
[20:04] <LaserJock> RichEd: don't worry, we got your back ;-)
[20:04] <RichEd> thanks mate
[20:04] <RichEd> appraciated
[20:04] <LaserJock> dcsquare: somewhat bigger
[20:05] <LaserJock> dcsquare: a heavy target use case for Edubuntu is classroom LTSP servers
[20:05] <LaserJock> Edubuntu has been going through some changes recently
[20:05] <LaserJock> where LTSP itself has moved to the Ubuntu Alternate CD
[20:06] <LaserJock> and now we'll ship an Ubuntu Education Addon CD that has the educational apps and misc goodies
[20:06] <LaserJock> for 8.04
[20:06] <dcsquare> I really like the games for my 4 year old, but I want to be able to use the computer as a "normal" computer too
[20:07] <LaserJock> sure
[20:07] <LaserJock> that's no problem
[20:07] <dcsquare> for the moment i have ubuntu installed, and I tried edubuntu from the desktop cd
[20:07] <LaserJock> what version of Ubuntu do you have installed?
[20:07] <dcsquare> 7.10
[20:07] <LaserJock> k
[20:08] <LaserJock> what you might want to do is grab the Edubuntu Classroom Server Addon CD
[20:08]  * stgraber waves
[20:08] <dcsquare> I didn't see any major differences, but I thought I should ask first
[20:08] <LaserJock> in your Ubuntu install you can pop that CD in and it'll give you some option for installing the edu apps
[20:08] <LaserJock> without messing up your Ubuntu install
[20:09] <dcsquare> cool :)
[20:09] <LaserJock> and it has more stuff than the Desktop CD has
[20:09] <dcsquare> so I can make my daughter happy and keep my amp and eclipse :)
[20:09] <LaserJock> my guess is that gcompris and tuxpaint would be real good apps
[20:09] <LaserJock> yep
[20:10] <dcsquare> thank you very much
[20:10] <LaserJock> hmm
[20:10] <LaserJock> another thing you can do
[20:10] <LaserJock> if you don't want to download the whole CD
[20:11] <LaserJock> is there are some metapackages that start with edubuntu-addon-
[20:11] <dcsquare> I don't mind downloading the CD
[20:11] <LaserJock> edubuntu-addon-young might be appropriate
[20:11] <LaserJock> ok, that's cool
[20:11] <dcsquare> I'm on a decent connection
[20:11] <LaserJock> let's you play around more
[20:12] <dcsquare> thank you for your time
[20:12] <LaserJock> no problem