[00:02] <icanhasadmin> ... anyone?
[00:07] <phoenixz> I want to run kontact, but it gives me this error: missing libkdeprint.so.5
[00:07] <phoenixz> how can I install this library
[00:07] <phoenixz> ?
[00:14] <HTRedne1> ?
[00:18] <genii> phoenixz: Maybe try: sudo apt-get remove --purge kdeprint; sudo apt-get install kdeprint
[00:18] <genii> hmm
[00:18] <theunixgeek> I'm getting a "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" error upon trying to mount my flash drive. What should I do to fix this?
[00:18] <genii> !info kdeprint
[00:18] <ubotu> kdeprint (source: kdebase): print system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2.2 (gutsy), package size 1452 kB, installed size 2568 kB
[00:19] <Jucato> libkdeprint is from kdelibs.. but libkdeprint.so.5 is from kdelibs5 (KDE 4 kdelibs)
[00:20] <phoenixz> genii> trying, thanks!
[00:21] <genii> Jucato: Thats what I was trying to figure out
[00:21] <phoenixz> Jucato> genii> hhhhmmm... I just tried installing the new kde4pim (which by the way also doesnt work).. it also had a problem with the same package... Maybe its related?
[00:22] <phoenixz> genii> maybe a purge of the kde4pim and reinstall of kontact?
[00:22] <genii> phoenixz: Are you running kde4?
[00:22] <Jucato> not sure if kde4pim should be there, since kdepim wasn't released for KDE 4.0
[00:22] <Jucato> !info kde4pim | hardy
[00:22] <ubotu> hardy: kde4pim (source: kde4pim): KDE PIM suit for KDE 4 testing. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.94.0-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 91917 kB, installed size 266876 kB
[00:23] <Jucato> yes, kde4pim is a pre-release (beta or alpha) version
[00:23] <phoenixz> genii> yep
[00:23] <Corty> hi
[00:23] <phoenixz> genii> actually using it as my "production" desktop even.. quite okay, with some glitches like these here and there
[00:24] <Jucato> phoenixz: do not install kde4pim, since that version was made *before* KDE 4.0 was released
[00:26] <camserver> how do you connect to a wired network via cli
[00:26] <camserver> nos
[00:26] <genii> Weird. The last update removed my kde4
[00:26] <camserver> nosrednaekim: /j #ubuntu
[00:26] <camserver> sigh
[00:26] <camserver> im having an off day
[00:26] <phoenixz> Jucato> ahah, that might explain one thing or two.. but in that case, it may be a better idea to remove that package all together
[00:27] <camserver> nosrednaekim: how do i connect to a  wired network via cli
[00:27] <nosrednaekim> camserver» why?
[00:27] <camserver> because my menu bar is gone an di have no way of conecting
[00:27] <Jucato> phoenixz: yes. keep using KDE3's Kontact in the mean time. KDE 4.1 will have kdepim again
[00:27] <camserver> i dont know the start string for wicd
[00:27] <camserver> and i dont have knetwork manager installed
[00:28] <phoenixz> genii> the last update had definately a load of dependancy problems.. I've seen multiple instances already where the update removed many packages (removed gnome, mplayer, dvdrip, k9copy, etc)
[00:28] <nosrednaekim> camserver» "sudo dhclient eth0"
[00:28] <phoenixz> Jucato> no way to use the new kde4pim before 4.1?
[00:28] <genii> phoenixz: I'm reinstalling kde4 now
[00:28] <Jucato> phoenixz: not that package from Kubuntu. no
[00:28] <Jucato> phoenixz: it's like this. for 4.0, kdepim doesn't exist
[00:29] <mrunagi> thank you nosrednaekim
[00:29] <nosrednaekim> mrunagi» for?
[00:29] <mrunagi> <----------camserver
[00:29] <nosrednaekim> mrunagi» ah :)
[00:29] <mrunagi> i just deleted my ~/.kde to try and get my menu bar back but it didnt work
[00:29] <mrunagi> any idea why it might have disappeared?/
[00:29] <nosrednaekim> mrunagi» for kde3?
[00:29] <mrunagi> yes
[00:30] <Jucato> er... don't delete ~/.kde just to get one app's settings back
[00:31] <nosrednaekim> mrunagi» run "alt+f2"and enter "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[00:31] <Xbehave> compiz closes flash windows asoon as i click full screen on youtube is there an easy way to not apply animations to flash videos? or another way to fix this? only happens on compiz not in kwin
[00:31] <mrunagi> there it is
[00:31] <mrunagi> and there it went
[00:31] <mrunagi> =/
[00:31] <Jucato> Xbehave: might want to ask in #compiz-fusion
[00:31] <nosrednaekim> mrunagi» do you have to set to autohide?
[00:31] <mrunagi> and there it is again
[00:31] <mrunagi> yes
[00:31] <nosrednaekim> mrunagi» you might want ot turn that off'
[00:32] <mrunagi> is it broken?
[00:32] <Jucato> no
[00:32] <Jucato> it's just set to auto hide, so it hides automatically
[00:32] <phoenixz> Jucato> okay, thanks for the info.. I'll remove the package
[00:32]  * mrunagi tries to hold in the sarcasm
[00:33] <mrunagi> its so hard not to come back snide =)
[00:33] <Jucato> it's not broken. you can turn off autohiding
[00:33] <mrunagi> if autohide isnt broken i dont want it off
[00:34] <mrunagi> lemme rephrase..........i had it purposely set to autohide, but suddenly it didnt want to appear again when i put my mouse down
[00:34] <mrunagi> which is why i said it was gone, not hidden
[00:34] <mrunagi> odd
[00:35] <nosrednaekim> mrunagi» well, turn off autohide for now.... you may have auto hide set to raise the panel with a different event other than putting your mouse down there
[00:35] <Jucato> Alt+F2, "kcontrol", Desktop -> Panels -> Hiding tab, reset the settings for autohide
[00:36] <mrunagi> its working now
[00:36] <mrunagi> anyone want to help me with a gimp problem im experiencing?
[00:37] <genii> mrunagi: Try ctrl-f11 to bring it back, sometimes hitting alt-f4 hides it by mistake
[00:38] <Jucato> Ctrl+F11?
[00:38] <Jucato> oh gimp?
[00:39] <mrunagi> i dont understand why when i erase on a top layer i get white and not the next layer
[00:46] <BluesKaj> mrunagi, perhaps the ppl at #gimp can help
[00:52] <BluesKaj> ppl with long underscored nicks shoul be encouraged to be more creative ..personally i find it very annoying.Maybe I'm just being an old grump :P
[00:53] <Jucato> BluesKaj: it's not like it's their fault
[00:53] <Jucato> it's a Konvi default setting for alternate nicks
[00:53] <BluesKaj> root____________ ?
[00:53] <Jucato> well that's an exception :)
[00:53]  * genii hires some punk with a long underscore name to leave a bag of flaming poo on BluesKaj's porch and ring the bell
[00:53] <BluesKaj> gimme a break
[00:53]  * Jucato considers 2 underscores too long already
[00:53] <genii> Well, yeah more than 3 is silly
[00:54] <BluesKaj> genii , yer 7mos too early for that :)
[00:54] <MrJoey> Why does my remastered Kubuntu (with modified squashfs contents) take so long to get past the "squashfs: version 3.2-UBUNTU..." screen?
[00:54] <genii> BluesKaj:  ;)
[00:54] <Apple_Cat> root__
[00:54] <MrJoey> In qemu, it's taking practically forever
[00:54] <Apple_Cat> root____
[00:55] <MrJoey> on a real computer, it took about 30 seconds or something ridiculous like that
[00:58] <Daisuke_Ido> MrJoey: what are the specs of the pc you're running qemu on?
[00:59] <BluesKaj> Tv time with wifey, BBL
[01:02] <MrJoey> MrJoey: what are the specs of the pc you're running qemu on? ==> Circa 2002, 1GHz RAM, 1.7GHz Celeron, 128KB L2 cache.  qemu has 128MB of RAM delegated to it.
[01:02] <MrJoey> and I'm only booting to single (i.e. not all the way to desktop)
[01:03] <MrJoey> It took about 10 minutes or so for qemu to get past the squashfs part, but it finally did
[01:03] <theunixgeek> I went to do an rm -rf /media/mountpoint but accidentally did rm -rf / media/mountmount :P
[01:04] <theunixgeek> good thing I backed up the day before!
[01:04] <MrJoey> lol
[01:04] <MrJoey> Maybe next time, do cd /media ; rm -rf mountpoint :)
[01:05] <MrJoey> oops, while going to press 'm', a magnitude 9 earthquake struck, causing me to hit / and enter :D
[01:05] <MrJoey> All my files got deleted, and I'm devastated!
[01:05] <MrJoey> :)
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> theunixgeek: ouch!
[01:06] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: good thing I backed up the day before! :D
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> no kiddin
[01:11] <Apple_Cat> probably good practice to replace rm with ls then see what it's about to delete
[01:13] <Jucato> Apple_Cat: or you can alias rm to "rm -i" so that it will ask you every file you wan to delete :)
[01:15] <Apple_Cat> yep that too : )
[01:19]  * Jucato passes genii a barrel of coffee
[01:19] <genii> Jucato: Thanks :)
[01:19] <root__> epale como andan por alla?
[01:19] <genii> I had ghosted.
[01:20] <Jucato> !es
[01:20] <root__> epale maria milagros soy karina
[01:20] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:20] <Jucato> !pt
[01:20] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[01:20] <Jucato> (dunno which one)
[01:21] <Guss> hi
[01:22] <Guss> ppñ
[01:22] <Guss> hola
[01:22] <Guss> fffff
[01:23] <paulo> boa noite a todos
[01:23] <paulo> é minha primeira vez aqui
[01:23] <Jucato> !br | paulo
[01:23] <ubotu> paulo: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[01:23] <paulo> sou um novo usuario no mundo linux
[01:24] <paulo> como faço isso
[01:27] <Guss> hola me llamo maria y estoy lok
[01:28] <Mariiita> esta verga es maa rara
[01:29] <Ukonpoika> english
[01:29] <Jucato> Mariiita: English only
[01:29] <genii> Os apologies, esta canaleta são somente para altofalantes ingleses.
[01:29] <genii> Gotta love babelfish
[01:29] <Jucato> lol
[01:29] <Jucato> are you sure it's spanish and not pt? :)
[01:30] <genii> Jucato: That one is portuguese, was for paulo when I did it
[01:30] <genii> Or some earlier person from there, forget now
[01:32] <genii> Jucato: Since the idea seems to have permeated I won't bother pasting the Spanish version yet
[01:32] <Jucato> hahah
[01:52] <jitendra_> can anyone help me with apt
[01:53] <jitendra_> i want to know the file that apt consults when checking if dependency for a particular package is already installed
[01:53] <nosrednaekim> jitendra_: what with apt?
[01:53] <jitendra_> package management tool
[01:54] <jitendra_> nosrednaekim: i posted my question already
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> jitendra_: yeah. sorry, I have a big of lag hre
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> *bit
[01:54] <jitendra_> its ok
[01:55] <jitendra_> anyone please answer my question.
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> i'm looking for it
[01:57] <jitendra_> ok
[01:58] <genii> jitendra_: To answer your question it looks at the file /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> thanks genii :)
[01:58] <genii> np
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> jitendra_: But I wouldn't edit that if I were you...
[01:58] <genii> It's automatically created anyhow
[02:11] <icanhasadmin> After I change that, do I have to like.. restart something or is there a command to otherwise redo that without having to reboot? <-- sorry, repeat for netsplit spam :P
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: just log out and then do "ctrl+alt+bckspace"
[02:12] <icanhasadmin> thank you
[02:12] <icanhasadmin> brb
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: I turned off part/join events.. I can see:)
[02:14] <icanhasadmin> Hooray, new errors.
[02:14] <icanhasadmin> I guess that's better.
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> what errors now?
[02:14] <icanhasadmin> "/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing"
[02:15] <icanhasadmin> and then of course, no manageable screens
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> uhh... run "glxinfo"
[02:17] <icanhasadmin> other people who seem to be having this issue are on hardy.. which i am not
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> are you using the 8.2 ati drivers?
[02:17] <icanhasadmin> uhm, it gives me a LOT OF HEX
[02:18] <icanhasadmin> where is that in glxinfo? I'm almost positive it's 8.2 but not sure
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: look more towars the top
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: look for "direct rendering"
[02:18] <icanhasadmin> it just says "yes" :P
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> thats good at least.
[02:19] <icanhasadmin> Yeah, I just ran "Phun", the sandbox physics engine, works great
[02:19] <icanhasadmin> which surprises me, considering my crappy specs
[02:19] <Dr_willis> Ive been playing with phun all week. :)
[02:19] <icanhasadmin> Dr_willis: oh yeah :D :D
[02:19] <Dr_willis> Try makeing a water pump. :)
[02:19] <Dr_willis> or a piston engine.
[02:20] <icanhasadmin> piston = fun. there's no air displacement yet i don't think... so hydro is out for now ;)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> if you like phun, theres some other   similer type programs.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> constructo (i think) and hmm some other..
[02:20] <icanhasadmin> nosrednaekim: btw, in my glxinfo it says "GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap" just like the error says is missing
[02:20] <icanhasadmin> yeah there's a crayon one or something, i'll look into them at some point, just busy y'know ;)
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: ask in #compiz-fusion
[02:21] <Dr_willis> consto is more of a erector type set  simuilator thing.
[02:21] <icanhasadmin> lol yes sir
[02:21] <genii> ooooo erector sets
[02:21] <Dr_willis> !find constro
[02:21] <ubotu> Package/file constro does not exist in gutsy
[02:22] <Dr_willis> You can do bridges and buildings and so forth and watch the stress levels on the parts
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> what? awesome!
[02:22] <genii> Dr_willis: You are njow obligated to provide links!
[02:22] <genii> *now*
[02:22] <Dr_willis> genii,  they all seem to be dead. :(
[02:23] <genii> hmph
[02:24] <dent-42> Dr_Willis: this what you talking about   http://www.chroniclogic.com/index.htm?pontifex2.htm   ???
[02:24] <Dr_willis> xspringies and constro  :) are the 2 others i was thinking of.
[02:24]  * genii investigates
[02:24] <Dr_willis> !info xspringies
[02:24] <ubotu> Package xspringies does not exist in gutsy
[02:24] <Pici> :(
[02:24] <Dr_willis> dent-42,  thats  program is like constro x1000000000000000000000000
[02:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:25] <dent-42> cool :-)
[02:25] <dent-42> i think its on bit torrent somewhere
[02:25] <genii> Bah that program is Win only
[02:26] <genii> pontiflex anyhow
[02:27] <dent-42> what program ?
[02:27] <|Tann|> After an update i did today, no sound is produced by any of my software, but sound will go through the line on my comp just fine.
[02:27] <icanhasadmin> wine it :D
[02:27] <icanhasadmin> tann, sound card?
[02:28] <Dr_willis> Shame shame.. :)
[02:28] <Dr_willis> Torrents are for Linux ISOs!
[02:28] <root_______> hello
[02:28] <root_______> como formateo linux de mi pc???
[02:28] <root_______> alguien me puede decir
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> |Tann|: kernel upgrade?
[02:29] <NickPresta> !es | root____
[02:29] <ubotu> root____: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:29] <NickPresta> 4 different nicks? Is that really needed?
[02:30] <genii> Geez, another netsplit?
[02:30] <|Tann|> icanhasadmin: Realtek ALC655  chipset
[02:30] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: theyhelping you over there?
[02:31] <icanhasadmin> nosrednaekim: not particularly, i'm trying a hack on my xorg.conf, about to restart x in a sec
[02:31] <justin_> does anyone recommend using kde 4.0??
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> icanhasadmin: mmk :)
[02:31] <icanhasadmin> justin_: the kde developers
[02:31] <NickPresta> justin_, what type of system do you have?
[02:31] <nosrednaekim> justin_: test it out... see if you like it. I like it.
[02:32] <|Tann|> justin_: I like it except for the panel setup.
[02:32] <icanhasadmin> |Tann|: hm.. i'm not terribly familiar with those, are you using alsa drivers?
[02:32] <NickPresta> justin_, meaning, a home desktop, testing machine, etc? If you are concerned about KDE 4.0's stability, I would stick with 3.5.*
[02:32] <|Tann|> icanhasadmin: yes
[02:32] <icanhasadmin> |Tann|: hold one sec, i'm going to check something
[02:34] <icanhasadmin> |Tann|: Can you pastebin your "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base"
[02:35] <skeet> no
[02:35] <skeet> im on my desktop but i can type that in terminal
[02:36] <nosredna_ekim> icanhasadmin: anything?
[02:36] <nosredna_ekim> icanhasadmin: would you like my xorg.conf for reference?I have basically the same chip
[02:37] <icanhasadmin> nosredna_ekim: that would be nice
[02:37] <icanhasadmin> although i didn't restart yet
[02:37] <icanhasadmin> let me know if |Tann| posts his alsa-base :P brb
[02:38] <nosredna_ekim> ok
[02:39] <|Tann|> icanhasadmin: http://tan-com.com/alsa-base.txt
[02:39] <icanhasadmin> :( same error
[02:40] <Erickj92> for some reason all kinds of junk is poping up after i log in. how to i precent this?
[02:40] <|Tann|> icanhasadmin: http://tan-com.com/alsa-base.txt
[02:40] <oloughlin75> Erickj92: What is the junk?
[02:40] <icanhasadmin> yeah, please describe all kinds of junk...
[02:40]  * icanhasadmin waves to oloughlin75
[02:40] <Erickj92> like konsole, gparted, and somthing else i cant remember
[02:40]  * oloughlin75 says howdy
[02:41] <Erickj92> i guess its not really junk
[02:41] <oloughlin75> Erickj92: Click the launcher - System Settings - Session and modify what starts up
[02:41] <oloughlin75> nosredna_ekim: Is that where it is in kubuntu?
[02:42] <nosredna_ekim> oloughlin75: yup
[02:42] <Erickj92> i dont see the session thing
[02:42] <nosredna_ekim> Erickj92: under advanced
[02:42] <Erickj92> ok
[02:42] <nosredna_ekim> Erickj92: set it to "restore previous session"
[02:43] <oloughlin75> nosredna_ekim: AWN is great
[02:43] <oloughlin75> AWM
[02:43] <icanhasadmin> |Tann|: what is exact verbatim under "Audio Device" when you lspci?
[02:44] <|Tann|> icanhasadmin: there is no "Audio Device" but there is this...
[02:44] <|Tann|> 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[02:45] <icanhasadmin> oh.. that's interesting.
[02:45] <icanhasadmin> does alsamixer work?
[02:45] <oloughlin75> AC97 should be supported on a default install, shouldn't it?
[02:45] <icanhasadmin> oloughlin75: Should. ;) should is a funny word
[02:45] <nosredna_ekim> oloughlin75: yeah its sweet, but a bit too GNOMEish
[02:45] <oloughlin75> nosredna_ekim: I am on gnome! :)
[02:46] <icanhasadmin> I WANT AWM. That's why i'm trying to get compiz to work :(
[02:46] <oloughlin75> nosredna_ekim: Little annoying with amarok... I have to minimize and not click the X... hard habit to break
[02:46] <nosredna_ekim> icanhasadmin: lol....
[02:46] <nosredna_ekim> oloughlin75: ^_^
[02:47] <nosredna_ekim> icanhasadmin: let me see your xorg.conf
[02:47] <icanhasadmin> nosredna_ekim: My mom told me never to show strangers my xorg.conf :(
[02:48] <nosredna_ekim> icanhasadmin: but i'm a doctor...
[02:48] <nosredna_ekim> so to speak <_<
[02:49] <icanhasadmin> nosredna_ekim: http://pastebin.com/d48b41977
[02:52] <Owner> hey
[02:53] <nosredna_ekim> icanhasadmin: I don't have that "load module glx" sections
[02:53] <nosredna_ekim> *section
[02:53] <icanhasadmin> I'll toss it, but glx is uninstalled so i don't think it's a big deal
[02:53] <Owner> what does the site mean by having a six month release cycle
[02:54] <Owner> ?
[02:54] <nosredna_ekim> !release
[02:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:54] <nosredna_ekim> icanhasadmin: its what?
[02:55] <icanhasadmin> nosredna_ekim: my xgl is nonexistant. i don't have it. removed it. gone. byebye
[02:55] <Tann> icanhasadmin: do you have any ideas?
[02:55] <Owner> What does it mean that it is supported for 18 months to five years? does that mean that if I want support i have to reinstall at those intervals?
[02:56] <Pici> Owner: The clock begins when the release comes out, not when you install it.
[02:56] <Owner> I understand that, I just mean to ask, does that mean that i have to reinstall to continue to have support?
[02:57] <icanhasadmin> Tell me that's not a real question Owner?
[02:57] <icanhasadmin> Tann: Honestly, no. you should be supported. does alsamixer work?
[02:57] <Owner> I just thought that 18 months was a bit short
[02:58] <Tann> icanhasadmin: yes
[02:58] <nosredna_ekim> icanhasadmin: glx is not the same as xgl
[02:58] <icanhasadmin> Tann: volume all the way up? no "MM" (muted)?
[02:58] <Pici> Owner: 18 months for a free OS is not really that short.  Take a look at the Questions section in this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/LifeCycle
[02:59] <icanhasadmin> nosredna_ekim: oh you're right, i never even caught that, lol! i'll try it
[02:59] <Tann> icanhasadmin: volume all the way up, and no mute
[02:59] <icanhasadmin> they are helping me in compiz-fusion now :P so thank you mate
[03:00] <icanhasadmin> Tann: hmm..
[03:00] <Owner> Ah, I see, I dont have to reinstall, just that the updates occur
[03:00] <icanhasadmin> Tann: Honestly, outside the realm of SDA INTEL chips.. i don't know much :/ i looked around but i can't find much.. I think there's an also channel on here tho they might help you
[03:00] <icanhasadmin> *alsa channel i mean
[03:00] <Owner> I was simply worried about having to completely reinstall every 18 mths
[03:01] <rewati_> hi there i dont have sound on my system
[03:01] <rewati_> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[03:01] <Tann> icanhasadmin: k, thanks
[03:01] <rewati_> this is my audio card
[03:02] <icanhasadmin> Ouch, sorry rewat.. that's even farther away from my expertise lol, maybe if crimsun shows back up he could help
[03:03] <nosredna_ekim> Owner: yuo can upgrade easily
[03:03] <nosredna_ekim> !intelhda | rewati_
[03:03] <ubotu> rewati_: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[03:03] <regeya> !hd
[03:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:03] <regeya> oh right
[03:08] <raposa> hi. does hardy come with compiz?
[03:08] <icanhasadmin> i hope not
[03:08] <raposa> or a 3D manager?
[03:08]  * raposa needs to wow his friends.
[03:08] <icanhasadmin> lol you can always install one.. :P
[03:09] <raposa> true enough.  just be nice if it 'just worked' outta th' box.
[03:09] <raposa> or, from the disk.
[03:10] <dudeIgotadell> hello every1
[03:10] <dudeIgotadell> I put kde4 on my ubuntu box per the instructions on the kubuntu page
[03:10] <nosredna_ekim> raposa: run "sudo apt-get install desktop-effects-kde
[03:10] <dudeIgotadell> it will not let me upgrade from adept because it says unsighed packages
[03:10] <nosredna_ekim> raposa: its a easy compiz manager written by yours truly ;)
[03:10] <dudeIgotadell> i tried --force-yes
[03:11] <raposa> nosredna_ekim: will do.  thak you.
[03:11] <raposa> very cool.
[03:11] <dudeIgotadell> i tried apt-get --force-yes
[03:11]  * raposa can tell his friends he chats with the developer.
[03:11] <nosredna_ekim> raposa: course, i'm not saying its not without bugs... please do report any ;)
[03:11] <raposa> of course.
[03:11] <nosredna_ekim> raposa: hehe
[03:12] <nosredna_ekim> and you will of course have to install the proper drivers for your video card
[03:12] <raposa> the initial apt-get update && apt-get upgrade is huge on this install of hardy alpha 5
[03:12] <raposa> right
[03:12] <raposa> ATI
[03:12]  * raposa has to deal with a crying baby, will be back soon.
[03:12] <nosredna_ekim> raposa: did you already install them? I've heard of some problems with the ATI drivers and hardy
[03:13] <raposa> just ran the installation CD.
[03:13] <raposa> now upgrading everything.
[03:13] <nosredna_ekim> ah..ok
[03:13] <raposa> back soon.  hungry little guy awaits.
[03:14] <nosredna_ekim> :)
[03:14] <jcgkffycs> I paused amarok and now when I try to play again i get this error "
[03:14] <jcgkffycs> Audio output unavailable; the device is busy.
[03:14] <jcgkffycs> xine parameters:
[03:15] <jcgkffycs> I also tried vlc and i get a similar error
[03:15] <jcgkffycs> any ideas?/
[03:16] <jcgkffycs> this is the output from vlc
[03:16] <jcgkffycs> [00000352] oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)
[03:16] <jcgkffycs> [00000352] main audio output error: couldn't find a filter for the conversion
[03:16] <jcgkffycs> [00000352] main audio output error: couldn't create audio output pipeline
[03:16] <blas> hola a todos
[03:16] <blas> alguien en espaniol
[03:16] <prince_jammys> !es
[03:16] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[03:17] <nosredna_ekim> jcgkffycs: try system settings->sound system-> kde sound control auto suspend..se that to zero
[03:19] <jcgkffycs> that didn't do anything
[03:20] <nosredna_ekim> jcgkffycs: you have some audio program blocking the sound out-put then... loggin out usually helps
[03:21] <jcgkffycs> no, nothing else is playing, no open apps, no remote desktop with sound, nothing. Ille try logging out, be beck in a second
[03:23] <jcgkffycs> that worked
[03:23] <nosredna_ekim> jcgkffycs: yup.
[03:24] <terettes15> i need help with my deluge bit torrent
[03:24] <terettes15> im new here
[03:24] <terettes15> beener showed me this
[03:24] <jcgkffycs> I have another sound issue though, once when I was trying to compile and install custom window borders kde reset to some default state. and now when ever I open or close a window or a dialogue box opens a sound plays and it is very annoying do you know of a way to make kde less noisy?
[03:25] <nosredna_ekim> terettes15: what about it do you need help?
[03:26] <nosredna_ekim> jcgkffycs: uhh yeah, one second
[03:26] <michael> seriously? kde 3.5.8 doesnt automatically recognize my printer!?
[03:26] <BluesKaj> jcgkffycs, system settings /notifications/ apply to all applications/ turn off all sounds
[03:26] <nosredna_ekim> michael: spoiled by gnome? ;)
[03:26] <terettes15> i dont know how to set my bandwidth so i can download faster.
[03:26] <michael> nosrena_ekim: yeah totally, but no luck on kde.
[03:27] <terettes15> my hard drive almost got wiped out and everything got reset
[03:27] <jcgkffycs> thanks I think that worked
[03:27] <nosredna_ekim> michael: system settings->printers and then "add new printer" its a very simple dialog
[03:27] <michael> nosrena_ekim: seriously, i like kde more, but gnome has been easier for me, i wish kubuntu was shown the love ubuntu gets
[03:28] <nosredna_ekim> michael: we all do :)
[03:28] <BluesKaj> feeeel the luuuuv for kde :)
[03:29]  * nosredna_ekim sees if there is a brainstorm request for that
[03:31] <nosredna_ekim> this is the one to vote up http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/478/
[03:31] <terettes15> is this for me? or nothing to do with me
[03:32] <nosredna_ekim> terettes15: not for you...
[03:32] <terettes15> ok
[03:32] <nosredna_ekim> terettes15: I'm not familiar with deluge, i'm sorry, they may have a channel though
[03:33] <terettes15> ok thanks
[03:33] <nosredna_ekim> yes...#deluge
[03:33] <nosredna_ekim> yes... #deluge
[03:33] <guest> he just needs to know how to set the globle information and per torent information
[03:33] <guest> same as in ktorrent\
[03:33] <nosredna_ekim> i'm not familiar with ANY torrent
[03:33] <guest> though i myself dont know how either
[03:34] <guest> ic
[03:34] <michael> nosrena_ekim: thanks.. easy but could be easier! :) i selected samsung - ml-2010 from a list, then it asked me what kind of printer it was, haha
[03:34] <guest> well then just double klick the blue lookin delug thing
[03:34] <terettes15> allready did beener
[03:34] <nosredna_ekim> michael: well, thats just the "name" of it, second question was for the driver
[03:35] <BluesKaj> ktorrent is very similar to utorrent , guest
[03:35] <guest> yup yup i know just was sayin what he wanted
[03:36] <Daisuke_Ido> nosredna_ekim: voted it up, but i can't agree with some of the mouth breathers posting comments there...
[03:36] <nosredna_ekim> I know... but the general point is right
[03:36] <michael> nosrena_ekim: i know :) just funny that it doesnt suggest one, based on the name. no biggy
[03:37] <michael> nosrena_ekim: thanks for your help.
[03:38] <sonic__> anyone know a program I can use to graph economic data. something similar to this :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Economics_rybczynski_theorem_diagram.png
[03:39] <nosredna_ekim> michael: yep... i've wanted that for a while, but it was never big enough to complain about :)
[03:40] <Jucato> !info kmplot
[03:40] <ubotu> kmplot (source: kdeedu): mathematical function plotter for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 528 kB, installed size 1668 kB
[03:40] <Jucato> sonic__: try that one? ^^^^^
[03:41] <nosredna_ekim> Daisuke_Ido: read the comment by nixternal:)
[03:45] <justin__> i am trying to use wine and it says it needs a dll where do i put it when i get it
[03:45] <nosredna_ekim> justin__: ask in #winehq
[03:46] <sonic__> Jucato: Thanks, Here I am messing with koffice and Ive got kmplot installed from kde4 svn and I never even knew it was there... :p
[03:46] <Jucato> :)
[03:46] <Jucato> though I'm not sure about the state of kmplot for kde4
[03:47] <nosredna_ekim> lawl... http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/2987/
[03:49] <sonic__> Jucato: Well kdesvn-build grabbed it and installed from the default config and it compiled so Its gotta be out of playground already
[03:49] <sonic__> Jucato: Runs ok so far that I can tell.  Now I just got to figure out how I use it ;)
[03:50] <Jucato> :)
[03:50] <terettes15> is there anyone that is really good with torrent programs that can help me
[03:52] <BluesKaj> terettes15, what are you trying to do ?
[03:52] <vikku> iam getting the error stdio.h file no found when compiling a c prgrm
[03:52] <vikku> how can i fix it
[03:53] <vikku> gcc is installed
[03:53] <terettes15> i am trying to set my global and per torrent settings to make me download and upload faster.
[03:53] <nosredna_ekim> vikku: "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[03:53] <terettes15> i had it set before but my hard drive almost got wiped out
[03:53] <vikku> ok lemme try
[03:55] <BluesKaj> terettes15, that's a function of your port choice and the bandwidth , the number od seesders vs leechers and availability of the files
[03:55] <terettes15> ok
[03:57] <BluesKaj> if you're trying to DL files off the large euro sites , then you have to configure your tcp port number 50,000 and above .
[03:57] <vikku> nosredna_ekim : iam geting following errors
[03:57] <vikku> Errors were encountered while processing
[03:58] <vikku>  acpid
[03:58] <vikku> acpi-support
[03:58] <terettes15> its at 6881 to 6889
[03:58] <vikku> powermanagement-interface
[03:58] <guest> 50000
[03:58] <vikku> kubuntu-desktop
[03:58] <guest> use that
[03:58] <vikku> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:59] <BluesKaj> yes terettes15, change them to 50110 or some such number
[04:00] <terettes15> ok what next
[04:00] <yao_ziyua1> is it good for computer health to frequently try out alpha distros in virtualbox?
[04:00] <BluesKaj> 6881 is blocked by some of the large euro ISPs
[04:00] <vikku> iam getting the error stdio.h file no found when compiling a c prgrm
[04:00] <vikku>  how can i fix it
[04:00] <terettes15> whats the port for?
[04:01] <BluesKaj> are planning on using UDP (a sort of supplementary to TCP Ports) , then do the same.
[04:02] <BluesKaj> terettes15, 6881 used to be the std port for many large torrents site servers
[04:03] <terettes15> oh i get it
[04:06] <terettes15> my down speed is now 8953 and my up speed is now 374.
[04:06] <terettes15> is that good?
[04:08] <jhutchins> terettes15: Yes.
[04:08] <Adrian> spanish?
[04:08] <terettes15> right now im using someone elses settings until i can talk to the guy that set it up for me last time
[04:09] <Adrian> kubuntu en español?
[04:09] <Adrian> español
[04:10] <BluesKaj> !es
[04:10] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[04:11] <terettes15> im gonna go. thanx for the help. i know alot more know. ill probaly be back for some more help with something else. :)
[04:12] <BluesKaj> well , sacktime here ...take care folks
[04:36] <vikku__> hello
[04:37] <vikku__> how can i add #ubuntu in this konversation, does ny1 know the settings
[04:37] <storbeck> ./join #ubuntu
[04:45] <storbeck> Heh, must have been lunch break.
[04:54] <WhatAreYou> hi how can i extract the audio from a youtube vid (flv) to an mp3 file without losing quality?
[04:59] <Arwen> anyone here use Konversation? is there a way to make it so that it executes a command when it detects and action to have been performed?
[04:59] <Arwen> like unbanning when it detects a ban
[05:08] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: i've been looking around, and i don't think it does
[05:08] <Daisuke_Ido> there's always kvirc though! *throws up a little in his mouth*
[05:08] <Arwen> ARGH
[05:14] <gundam_rx78nt1> or you can always go with the curses version of irc chat client.
[05:14] <|Tann|> Today after an update, no sounds made by software go through, but my line-in jack works.
[05:15] <karthikp> Running Gutsy here. Have issues with mounting external hard drives.
[05:15] <karthikp> When I plug them in, kded goes nuts.
[05:16] <karthikp> It uses up almost all resources (top).
[05:16] <karthikp> I have to kill -9 the process, restart dbus and kded to get my comp back to normalcy.
[05:16] <karthikp> Wnyone else see issues mounting external hard drives?
[05:17] <maduser> no
[05:17] <gundam_rx78nt1> not me, but I don't install unsupported packages, etc.
[05:18] <karthikp> Sigh.
[05:18] <|Tann|> Could anyone help me?
[05:18] <maduser> is it ntfs?
[05:18] <karthikp> Maybe I should reinstall gutsy. I've hard some issue or the other with it since the day I upgraded from Feisty.
[05:18] <karthikp> Nope.
[05:19] <karthikp> All my drives are ext3.
[05:19] <maduser> then there should be no problem
[05:19] <karthikp> I saw something like this on the net for kde 3.4.
[05:20] <karthikp> That's where I learnt to restart dbus...
[05:21] <karthikp> Guess I'll just hold on till April for Hardy...
[05:23] <regeya> meh.  anyone else use ivman with kde, and not able to umount removable drives without firing up a term?
[05:23] <regeya> I get errors about devices not being listed in hal-mtab
[05:32] <gundam_rx78nt1> which is a good ftp client for KDE?
[05:33] <fignew`> konqueror
[05:33] <mmmiiikkkeee> whats wrong with useing konqueror as an ftp client?
[05:34] <purpleposeidon> I think dolphin can be used as well
[05:34] <mmmiiikkkeee> to use konqueror for ftp check out: http://lexi.net/main/page.php?page_id=107
[05:34] <surgy> !japanese
[05:34] <ubotu> 日本語の場合は #ubuntu-jp または #kubuntu-jp を参照して下さい
[05:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> I hate dolphin.
[05:50] <gundam_rx78nt1> I loved konqueror for a file manager.
[05:50] <gundam_rx78nt1> I just want to use an ftp client.
[05:51] <fignew> konqueror
[05:52] <fignew> does FTP
[05:53] <gundam_rx78nt1> fignew, I think I didn't make it clear, I don't want to use konqueror as an ftp.  It doesn't work with some ftp servers very well.
[06:25] <dwidmann> Hm, I've got a question soooooo, here goes. Does anybody know why when even after adding my ssh key to the remote accounts (in this case, just another account on this computer for testing purposes) ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file it still asks for the password instead of the keys passphrase?
[06:31] <Taggnostr> hello
[06:31] <dwidmann> hi
[06:32] <Taggnostr> when I right click on a folder->properties, the window that appears is the same whenever program I use (dolphin, konqueror) or it changes?
[06:34] <LeAstrale> Hi ppl
[06:34] <LeAstrale> How do i manually mount my WD 500 gib external ?
[06:35] <LeAstrale> i get hal-mount-point refused ID1000 when it try in GUI
[06:35] <Taggnostr> and all these programs like dolpin and konqueror (or explorer on windows) have a name?
[06:35] <prince_jammys> file browsers?
[06:36] <Taggnostr> it could be
[06:36] <prince_jammys> !filebrowsers
[06:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about filebrowsers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:36] <Taggnostr> filemanager maybe?
[06:37] <prince_jammys> that's it
[06:37] <Taggnostr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin_%28software%29
[06:37] <Taggnostr> and what about the other question?
[06:37] <prince_jammys> i don't know the answer to that. my guess is yes, they are the same
[06:38] <prince_jammys> they tell you the permissions and owner of the directory, and how many files it contains, etc.
[06:38] <prince_jammys> so i assume it doesn't matter what file-manager you use
[06:38] <Taggnostr> it depends of the os, isn't it?
[06:38] <prince_jammys> the os?
[06:39] <prince_jammys> well yeah, windows will tell you something different. windows doesn't even use the same kind of permissions
[06:40] <Taggnostr> I mean, the information displayed on kubuntu are given by kubuntu itself, not by the file manager you are using
[06:42] <prince_jammys> my guess is yes
[06:42] <prince_jammys> it's the same info you get when you do 'ls' in a terminal
[06:43] <kevo> I'm running kubuntu gusty on a vostro 1500.  problem: no sound.  I installed alsamixergui and it tells me 'no such device' when
[06:43] <kevo> i  try to run it
[06:43] <kevo> any help/pointers?
[06:43] <kevo> (sorry, a little "enter"-happy I am today.
[06:43] <prince_jammys> Taggnostr: mine is showing Name: Type: Modified: Owner: Permissions:  , and i use konqueror
[06:44] <Taggnostr> is there a command that returns the size of a given folder in the terminal?
[06:44] <prince_jammys> Taggnostr: actually, if i right click i see Type Location Size Modified Access
[06:45] <stdin> Taggnostr: du -sh /path/to/directory
[06:45] <Taggnostr> me too
[06:45] <Taggnostr> ok
[06:45] <Taggnostr> uhm
[06:46] <surgy> i cant seam to move a file from kubuntu to windows vistta, the file is visable in vista, but when i try to copy and paste it it says "you need permision to perform this action" and then when i click "try again" it doesnt do anything but ask again, what am i doing wrong?
[06:46] <Taggnostr> the window says 1.3 MB, 1413432 bytes and du -sh says 1.5M
[06:47] <Taggnostr> btw I'm writing an article on binary and decimal prefixes and I was trying to understand how kubuntu use them
[06:48] <stdin> surgy: samba? try putting "security = SHARE" under "[global]"
[06:48] <surgy> stdin: i think its actually the windows side thats messinbg up
[06:48] <surgy> stdin: seams to work with a single file but when i try to move a folder it gets mad
[06:49] <stdin> surgy: if it's a windows problem, then ##windows is the place you ask
[06:58] <Taggnostr> uhm
[07:00] <Taggnostr> is there some other command to see the size of a folder?
[07:01] <prince_jammys> stat *maybe*
[07:01] <Taggnostr> let's see
[07:01] <prince_jammys> maybe not
[07:01] <prince_jammys> :)
[07:02] <Taggnostr> it just say 4096
[07:02] <prince_jammys> yeah stat is for files. i don't know, you can check man stat
[07:02] <Taggnostr> ok
[07:02] <Gide0n> hi chanel I need help, somebody familiar with routing tables
[07:03] <Gide0n> I have only one shot at this via ssh, and I was hoping somebody could help me with the command line and parameters I need
[07:03] <Taggnostr> prince_jammys, I can't see nothing useful
[07:04] <prince_jammys> yeah, stat is for files. what's wrong with du?
[07:05] <Taggnostr> I tried with another folder of 15208663 bytes, du says 17M, right-click->properties says 14.5 MB (instead than MiB)
[07:08] <Taggnostr> I used du -H that is supposed to use the SI prefixes, but 17M seems plain wrong
[07:09] <Taggnostr> actually the apparent size seen by du is 15196758, just a few kilobyte less than the size seen by dolphin or konqueror
[07:18] <ubuntu_> hey has anyone on here seen kkathman here lately
[07:19] <ubuntu_> can anyone in here help me with installing this software because i have an older machine
[07:20] <ubuntu_> hey jkiceman can you help me out
[07:21] <ubuntu_> please is there someone in here somewhere
[07:21] <ubuntu_> hey Colonel_ Panic can you help me with this software
[07:23] <prince_jammys> ubuntu_: try #ubuntu
[07:24] <smurfslover> hi there
[07:25] <smurfslover> alles ok?
[07:28] <compilerwriter> Gents I seem to have done something some time ago and have only now learned what I did.  It seems that I have somehow set my desktop to extend beyond the edges of my monitor screen.  How do I get my desktops to only be the expanse of my screen again?
[07:30] <stdin> sounds like a resolution issue, you set the resolution to something the monitor/graphics card can't handle. try lowering it
[07:30] <ibilic> i have no icons on my desktop, and when I right click on it, no menu appears
[07:30] <Taggnostr> prince_jammys, try dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=1MB count=10 and dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=1MiB count=10
[07:31] <Taggnostr> it copies the right number of bytes but when you use MiB it show 10MB
[07:32] <Taggnostr> ok, that is right, 10MiB are 10.486 MB, 10 MB rounded
[07:32] <Taggnostr> du instead returns strange values
[07:38] <matt_> I'm sure you guys have been getting this question ever since the 4.0.0 release, but what do I do to resolve the unmet dependencies issue when I use the PPA repo.
[07:38] <smurfslover> hi
[07:38] <smurfslover> i have a little program with kubuntu gutsy
[07:38] <stdin> matt_: just wait a while
[07:38] <jussi01> matt_: please join #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 issues :)
[07:38] <matt_> thanx
[07:40] <smurfslover> i have an issue with kdm
[07:40] <smurfslover> my screen goes black right after kdm has started
[07:40] <smurfslover> like in powersave
[07:57] <sgrover> Anyone running a server and using NFS?  Know any decent channels where I can get some assistance?
[08:05] <jussi01> !night | sgrover
[08:05] <jussi01> oh, ubotu is dead :(
[08:06] <sgrover> night time?  is that why it's so dead here ??? :)
[08:08] <jussi01> sgrover: yeah
[08:08] <jussi01> 8 am in the uk, night in the us
[08:09] <apparle> hi
[08:13] <sgrover> 1;13 am here...
[08:14] <apparle> sgrover: Whay are you telling that
[08:15] <sgrover> apparle: left over from previous posts.. :)
[08:15] <sgrover> not important
[08:15] <dwidmann> O.O 3:15 and I'm still awake? ..... that's not good, that's not good at all.
[08:17] <dwidmann> Seems my motivation for stayinng awake is gone though ..... a relatively simple to use sshfs setup for sharing certain files betwixt my computers ...... 'twas a piece of work ....
[08:18] <sgrover> dwidmann: ssh and keys combined with rsync didn't do the trick?? :)
[08:18] <dwidmann> sgrover - ssh and keys and sshfs did the trick
[08:19] <dwidmann> getting it such that it was read only was why it was a piece of work.
[08:19] <sgrover> guess if you needed to mount the remote resources... makes sense...
[08:19] <sgrover> ahhh
[08:19] <sgrover> I'm trying something similar but with NFS.  Not sure how to set up the permissions right... lots of digging via Google right now.
[08:22] <dwidmann> new user, new group, moved the files to the new home directory, new keys for each guest (blank passphrases), chmod 750 all the dirs, chmod 640 all the files, make the files belong to my real user, but the others group (which I happen to be a member of) .... add my keys to the auth file of the new user, and finally, figure out a good fstab line :)
[08:22] <dwidmann> Almost more effort than it was worth, if I had to do that all the time I wouldn't be too happy.
[08:29] <apparle> All those who are having problems with ALSA may give atry to OSS. I am telling because I successfully solved the final problem with OSS
[08:31] <dwidmann> apparle: mixing?
[08:31] <sgrover> OSS is supposed to be deprecated isn't it?
[08:31] <dwidmann> sgrover: deprecated in the kernel though it doesn't seem to be inferior, I hear it has uppoints
[08:32] <apparle> dwidmann: what do you mean mixing
[08:33] <dwidmann> You said you solved the final problem .... the only problem I ever had with oss was getting it to play multiple sounds at the same time.
[08:34] <apparle> dwidmann: I didn't have that problem ever
[08:34] <dwidmann> Interesting
[08:35] <apparle> dwidmann: Many softwares like audacity kmix didn't run. And I got how to run them,(obviously I didn't solve it. Just found it)
[08:41] <apparle> bye
[08:50] <VelcroMan> Which version of KDE is in the 7.10 Gutsy?
[08:50] <Jucato> 3.5.8 by default, 3.5.9 available for updates
[08:51] <jussi01> 3.5.8 with the ability to be upgraded to 3.5.9 or 4.0.2
[08:51] <VelcroMan> ok, thanks Jucato
[08:51] <Jucato> jussi01: you don't "upgrade" to KDE 4 :P
[08:52] <jussi01> Jucato: hehe, :P
[08:58] <enry> does anybody know how to safely remove hardware link floppy drives or pci cards?
[08:59] <storbeck> It helps if you turn the power off first, then use a screw driver
[09:00] <enry> :D
[09:00] <enry> i mean in software side
[09:00] <stond> DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO MOVE FILES AND EXUCTABLE TO ROOT FOLDER SUCH AS /USR/LOCAL/BIN/
[09:00] <enry> what does it happen if i remove hardware and then i power on with modified configuration?
[09:01] <enry> can I break something?
[09:01] <Jucato> !caps | stond
[09:01] <stond> sorry
[09:01] <jussi01> enry: unlikely.  afaik
[09:01] <enry> ?
[09:01] <enry> stond
[09:02] <enry> use sudo
[09:02] <jussi01> unliikely you will break stuff. i have done that regularly
[09:02] <stond> well can anybody tell me how to move files to my root folders it keeps telling me acess denied
[09:02] <enry> so you say that if I remove a floppy drive or a pci card and i power on
[09:02] <enry> it does not give any problems?
[09:02] <enry> stond
[09:02] <enry> you can use sudo
[09:03] <stond> what envy
[09:03] <enry> sudo mv
[09:03] <prince_jammys> stond: sudo mv myfile /usr/local/bin
[09:03] <enry> or you can also
[09:03] <jussi01> stond: go to a terminal, type: kdesudo konqueror
[09:03] <enry> sudo konqueror
[09:03] <enry> or your file browser
[09:03] <jussi01> enry: ahah...no.
[09:03] <jussi01> kdesudo for graphical apps
[09:03] <prince_jammys> kdesudo for GUI
[09:03] <prince_jammys> jinx
[09:04] <Jucato> actually better just use "kdesu" so that it works whether or not kdesudo is installed :)
[09:04] <enry> sudo konqueror works
[09:04] <enry> jussi01 "no" stands for NO problems? :)
[09:04] <enry> or for
[09:04] <stond> ok I think i got
[09:04] <enry> YES problems?
[09:04] <prince_jammys> if the bot were here, he would tell you the problem
[09:04] <jussi01> enry: just because it "works" doesnt mean its good.
[09:05] <enry> :)
[09:05] <Jucato> you're lucky ubotu's not here
[09:05] <prince_jammys> the problem is it doesn't work properly
[09:05] <enry> and
[09:05] <enry> how do you do that?
[09:05] <jussi01> enry: it can seriously break stuff
[09:05] <Jucato> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo
[09:05] <enry> what is the procedure to remove hardware then?
[09:06] <jussi01> enry: turn off, remove hw, turn on.
[09:06] <enry> yeah it is what i was sqaying
[09:06] <stond> I am trying to install NETHOSTFS and USBHOSTFS and I cant get the executables moved to /usr/local/bin/ does anybody know how to do this
[09:06] <jussi01> enry: I was refering to the sudo thing about the serious breakage
[09:07] <enry> obvously I don't remove while it's on!
[09:07] <Jucato> enry: we were taking about sudo konqueror
[09:07] <enry> okok
[09:08] <enry> but for example if there is a floppy drive, at the boot it tryes to mount it, if i remove the drive what happens?
[09:08] <prince_jammys> nothing bad
[09:08] <prince_jammys> i've done that many times
[09:08] <enry> and with a pci device?
[09:08] <prince_jammys> same
[09:09] <enry> and if i plug another device in the same slot
[09:09] <prince_jammys> i can't guarantee it, but i've never broken anything that way and i've messed a whole lot with hardware
[09:09] <prince_jammys> enry: that's ok too
[09:09] <enry> mmm
[09:09] <enry> because i've heard about problems
[09:09] <prince_jammys> i have 6 computers and i juggle the hardware constantly
[09:10] <enry> :D
[09:10] <jussi01> !test
[09:10] <storbeck> prince_jammys: Wow, you don't ever drop them?
[09:10] <prince_jammys> drives. sound cards, video cards, ram, floppy...
[09:10] <enry> i had a problem simply by monitor substitution :D
[09:10] <prince_jammys> no, i work in a circus
[09:11] <prince_jammys> i do it in a cage with tigers
[09:11] <prince_jammys> and the hardware still doesnt break
[09:11] <storbeck> Wow, impressive
[09:11] <enry> it doesn't recognize the right resolution
[09:11] <enry> i need to press
[09:11] <enry> alt+e at the beginning
[09:11] <prince_jammys> enry: well you may have configuration problems, but you can always revert to the old setup
[09:12] <storbeck> I wish my resolution went higher >.<
[09:12] <enry> login screen has the wrong resolution
[09:12] <enry> don't know why
[09:12] <enry> i wish to have it at 1440X900
[09:12] <enry> but it doesn't work
[09:13] <jussi01> enry: what is it at to start withP?
[09:13] <storbeck> enry, Does your video card support it?
[09:13] <enry> yes, because
[09:14] <enry> after login
[09:14] <enry> it works fine
[09:14] <enry> but everytime i have to press alt+e at the login screen
[09:14] <prince_jammys> oh, only the login screen
[09:14] <enry> yeah
[09:14] <storbeck> enry, That's why I don't use a gdm :D
[09:14] <enry> if I don't press alt+e sometimes, only sometimes, it loads wrong resolution
[09:15] <prince_jammys> i use gdm. i thought he used kdm
[09:15] <enry> kdm
[09:15] <storbeck> Well, gdm/kdm.
[09:15] <storbeck> cli login for me :D
[09:16] <prince_jammys> i've had this problem too, but i don't remember how i fixed it :)
[09:19] <enry> :(
[09:40] <christianp> hi all
[09:40] <Jucato> hi
[09:41] <christianp> problems with quickcam for notebook installation: i follow this:http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Webcam/DriverGspca
[09:41] <christianp> at the end of the tutorial, my camorama seems to work finely
[09:41] <christianp> not the same for kopete or skype
[09:42] <christianp> when i reboot my notebook, starting camorama i have: no device /dev/video0
[09:42] <christianp> what's the matter?
[09:43] <_Angelus_> !apt-fix
[09:55] <pushax> hi all.   Is there a program that resets all your permissions and attributes of the default files?
[10:01] <prince_jammys> pushax: to my knowledge, no
[10:01] <prince_jammys> pushax: what happened?
[10:01] <prince_jammys> major permission mess?
[10:03] <pushax> prince_jammys: hi pj.  the other xp sp3 did something to my /home drive on its own hd.  I had copy the files to another drive and then rebuild that drive.  I also had to do a grub kernel recover.  now my sound wont load, nor HDTV
[10:04] <prince_jammys> pushax: so the permissions problem is just in your /home?
[10:05] <pushax> I installed kubuntu onto a old computer and did a #ls -laR > dir.txt   and then compared it to my machine now.  I noticed in /dev dir most all the ownership were root:root  not root:devtype
[10:06] <pushax> prince_jammys: I've done alot of checking but I'm worried I missed something or maybe a file has been set wrong internal due to the mess.
[10:06] <prince_jammys> on most of mine they are root:root
[10:06] <prince_jammys> brw-rw---- 1 root     floppy    2,   0 2008-03-01 18:07 fd0
[10:06] <pushax> prince_jammys: I have Intel HD audio and I modprobe it but it wont stay after reboot.
[10:07] <prince_jammys> pushax: post this in #ubuntu. this channel is too thin right now
[10:08] <pushax> k
[10:09] <pushax> prince_jammys: I've notice my changes didn't take effect.  I beleive.  let me do more research
[10:09] <pushax> prince_jammys: is linux like windows in that it recovered changed system files?
[10:10] <prince_jammys> pushax: i don't think so, but i have no experience in this department
[10:11] <pushax> prince_jammys: ok
[10:14] <Sinnerman> what package do i have to install to get amarok to play mp3 files?
[10:14] <Jucato> libxine1-ffmpeg
[10:15] <Jucato> or just install kubuntu-restricted-extras to get a whole bunch of codecs and plugins
[10:15] <Jucato> (java and flash)
[10:15] <storbeck> Sinnerman> amarok should be able to play mp3s without any other packages
[10:16] <Sinnerman> storbeck hmm... it's asking me to allow it to get mp3 support though. and i've manually installed all the packages off the ubuntu-restricted-extras package too.
[10:17] <storbeck> Have you tried install win32codecs?
[10:17] <max_> I need to use criticalSection in KDevelop, what is the include file or library to lock some part of my code?
[10:18] <Sinnerman> storbeck umm, no, it's a clean install of ubuntu, last time i did that, i don't remember installing anything win32 to get mp3s to work with amarok.
[10:19] <storbeck> Well, I've also never had to install additional packages to play mp3s in amarok
[10:19] <stdin> Sinnerman: try libxine1-ffmpeg or kubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:19] <Sinnerman> stdin thanks. let me have a look.
[10:21] <Sinnerman> stdin that did the trick. thanks. :)
[10:22] <stdin> Sinnerman: amarok should install libxine1-ffmpeg automatically when you try to play an mp3, but it sometimes just fails so a manual install is required
[10:22] <kgx> does anyone where kde 3.5 saves the keyboard shortcuts? i thought it was .kde/share/config/khotjeys* but that doesnt seem to be it
[10:23] <Sinnerman> stdin i was looking for the name of the package too, for future reference. thanks.
[10:27] <pushax> is there an easy way to load and remove modules from the kernel?
[10:28] <SlimeyPete> pushax: investigate insmod, lsmod, rmmod and modprobe (they're not *easy* but they're not usually that complicated)
[10:29] <pushax> SlimeyPete: thx.  I've already used modprobe .  do you know of a graphical one?
[10:29] <SlimeyPete> no, sorry
[10:35] <Apple_Cat> why do you want a graphical one ?
[10:35] <kgx> .join #kde
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[10:35] <kgx> bah stupid uk keyboard
[10:50] <Greenery> anyone with mplayer, with the recent update mplayer is uninstalled?
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> Greenery, I use Kaffeine (sp) sory man, wassup anyhoo?
[10:53] <Greenery> my mplayer is automaticauninstalled with recent update
[10:53] <Greenery> i checked adept and try to install there, it said update (BREAK)
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> Greenery, what do you get if you sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:55] <Greenery> everything is normal
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> Greenery, ok, so when do you get the message? at update or execution of mplayer
[10:56] <Greenery> i don't see my mplayer after the update
[10:57] <Greenery> even my kmplayer won't let me play cos mplayer is not running it says
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> Greenery, can you run mplayer <some file here>
[10:59] <Greenery> mplayer command not found, it asked me to install them
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> Greenery, sudo apt-get install mplayer
[11:01] <Greenery> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58468/
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> Greenery, sudo apt-get install libungif4g
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/libs/libungif4g
[11:04] <Greenery> it removes libgif4
[11:05] <membrive> is a conflict with some kde4 packages
[11:05] <membrive> it will be fixed soon I think
[11:05] <membrive> I have the same problem
[11:06] <Greenery> ah i see, i do use KDE4
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> Greenery, do you get it in kde3?
[11:07] <Greenery> i'm on KDE3 and no mplayer after the recent update
[11:09] <membrive> Greenery, confirmed, I am getting now new packages and libunfgif4g, so I think in few time all dependencies will be solved
[11:09] <Greenery> cool good to hear that
[11:11] <membrive> now I am getting mplayer again without lost kde4 packages
[11:12] <Greenery> yeah am installing mplayer now, no more break
[11:16] <Saied> Riddell: i want to know where is dot.kde.org news for KDE 4.0.2 on kde svn repository? i want to use it for translation
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> Greenery, you not happy with kaffeine?
[11:17] <Greenery> mkv can't play on Kaffeine
[11:17] <Greenery> i'm very happy with kaffeine though
[11:17] <Greenery> just some files can't play well on it
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> Greenery, http://lists.matroska.org/pipermail/matroska-users/2005-August/000662.html
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> Greenery, just get better codecs :)
[11:26] <VelcroMan_> Hi, i burned the kubuntu 7.10 cd image to an DVD-RW. But it doesn't boot properly. It stays on a black screen with a blinking white cursor
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> VelcroMan_, did you md5 check the disk?
[11:26] <VelcroMan_> no
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> VelcroMan_, ok not a good start, If you disable stuff in your bios it may help but you may have a defective image
[11:28] <VelcroMan_> Disable what?
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> VelcroMan_, you may need to turn cerain functionality off in your BIOS to get it installed then enable it later
[11:29] <VelcroMan_> What kind of functionality? What stuff?
[11:29] <Riddell> Saied: 4.0.2 hasn't been announced yet, you can /msg sebas and ask if he has a time planned if you want
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> VelcroMan_, USB (if its not needed), power management, Network devices etc etc
[11:30] <Saied> Riddell: ok
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> VelcroMan_, I'd also MD5 check the disk to make sure it is correct
[11:37] <Riddell> ** new alpha candidate CDs for testing, 20080305.1
[11:57] <Plantain> Anyone know of a tool that lets me intercept traffic from local interfaces, edit them, then send them?
[11:57] <Plantain> I'm essentially trying to fuzz an app through a MITM attack, only all the tools I've found so far sniff the traffic, then allow me to replay it later
[11:57] <baran> anyone can help me how can i open source of a .swf file
[11:58] <Plantain> oops, I meant that for ##networking
[12:05] <DexterF> !dvd
[12:10] <ali3n51> h3llo
[12:10] <ali3n51> how to change the login themes
[12:10] <ali3n51> i want to change the login themes, how?
[12:11] <ali3n51> hello
[12:11] <ali3n51> please help me, to change the login in different themes
[12:12] <kristjan_> ali3n51: it is broken sort of
[12:13] <kristjan_> ali3n51: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/132723
[12:13] <kristjan_> ali3n51: and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/148706
[12:17] <KR-data> how do I make Firefox go back in history when pressing backspace (like you would expect) in stead of making a page up replacement (wtf. is that even good for?)
[12:23] <DOOM_NX> where can i find the difference between Kubuntu CD and DVD version?
[12:26] <Dragnslcr> The DVD has more packages on it
[12:27] <Dragnslcr> All of the packages on the DVD are in the repositories, so you can always download them if you install from the CD
[12:29] <ForgeAus> hey all is the style of dolphin location bar like that's like Mautilus and Thundar called breadcrumbs??
[12:30] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yes. but Dolphin's has an additional feature the others don't have
[12:30] <DOOM_NX> thanks
[12:30] <ForgeAus> :) Jucato
[12:31] <ForgeAus> just one?
[12:31] <Jucato> at least one that I know :)
[12:31] <ForgeAus> hehe so you keep me in suspense? I've used dolphin before a few times
[12:32] <Jucato> if you click on an arrow or click and hold on a name/location button, you get a drop-down of its "sibling" directories
[12:32] <ForgeAus> ahh well the qt-address-bar XP drop-in replacement does that too
[12:32]  * Jucato thinks Vista incorporated a similar feature
[12:32] <ForgeAus> yes... basically the same thing
[12:32] <Jucato> we're talking about Linux though :)
[12:33] <ForgeAus> yeah kewl :)
[12:33] <Jucato> neither Nautilus nor Thunar has that
[12:33] <Jucato> (and it's Thunar, not Thundar :P)
[12:33] <ForgeAus> yeah well Thor Thunder Thunar Donar, its a little confusing sometimes:)
[12:34] <Jucato> heh I only know Thunar. I lost track of Xfce a long time ago :)
[12:34] <ForgeAus> I don't use XFCE much so I rarely care about it
[12:34] <ForgeAus> it wasn't too bad in I think it was either zenwalk or wolvix that was using it... but I prefer KDE
[12:34] <Jucato> yeah. Xfce's not bad at all for a lightweight DE :)
[12:34] <ForgeAus> it feels alot like a Gnome-Lite
[12:35] <ForgeAus> I think I'd choose Fluxbox over XFCE for lightweight
[12:35] <Jucato> Fluxbox isn't a DE :P
[12:35] <Jucato> anyway...
[12:36] <ForgeAus> oh ok
[12:36] <DOOM_NX> isn't it?
[12:36] <Jucato> Fluxbox is a Window Manager
[12:37] <DOOM_NX> oh i see
[12:37] <DOOM_NX> just like metacity?
[12:38] <Jucato> yes. except that metacity is closely tied to GNOME (a Desktop Environment)
[12:38] <Jucato> just as KWin is tied to KDE
[12:38] <DOOM_NX> ooooh i see :D
[12:38] <DOOM_NX> thanks a lot
[12:39] <ForgeAus> so what desktop does fluxbuntu use?
[12:39] <ForgeAus> I know it uses fluxbox WM, but I'm confused what desktop it uses
[12:39] <Jucato> it doesn't use a DE afaik. just fluxbox plus a whole heap of applications
[12:40] <ForgeAus> Jucato I'm not sure I understand
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> part of the point of something like fluxbox is thatyou don't use a DE with it
[12:40] <ForgeAus> so what its a Desktop replacement?
[12:40] <blujay> So, 4.0.2 is out already.  :)
[12:40] <Jucato> note that I used the term "DE" or "Desktop Environment", which *has* (usually) a Window Manager and provides an integrated system
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> ForgeAus: it has none.
[12:40] <Jucato> Desktop replacement?
[12:41] <ForgeAus> I know fluxbox is a wm but when you boot up into a fluxbox environment you don't have a desktop?...
[12:41] <SlimeyPete> indeed.
[12:41] <SlimeyPete> just a toolbar.
[12:41] <ForgeAus> yeah and a menu
[12:41] <SlimeyPete> yeah.
[12:41] <Jucato> the main difference between a Window Manager and a Desktop Environment is the level of integration it provides. a DE, such as GNOME and KDE, provide stuff like interpocess communication, embedded components, a default set of base applications, etc
[12:42] <storbeck> Fluxbuntu uses Rox
[12:42] <ForgeAus> its fairly simple and feels professional/simple
[12:42] <ForgeAus> Rox as in Oborox ?
[12:42] <storbeck> No, Rox as in Rox
[12:42] <SlimeyPete> Rox-filer etc.
[12:42] <ForgeAus> (which btw is an "evolution" of sorts of RiscOS's desktop)
[12:42] <Jucato> well you have a "desktop" in the sense of you have a desktop/background, panels, etc
[12:42] <storbeck> http://roscidus.com/desktop/
[12:42] <ForgeAus> OboroX is Rox's WM tho isn't it?
[12:42] <SlimeyPete> I used to run Fluxbox (without Rox) - it was very nice.
[12:43] <SlimeyPete> I can't really give a decent reason why I don't use it now tbh.
[12:43] <SlimeyPete> I just kinda stopped.
[12:43] <storbeck> I use Fluxbuntu
[12:44] <ForgeAus> hmm thats interesting a script to convert XML <-> TeX lol
[12:44] <SlimeyPete> there's not really much point in running a full DE like KDE or GNOME if you don't need an integrated file manager or desktop.
[12:44] <ForgeAus> (ie Changes TeX-like tags (abc{...}) to XML-like tags (<abc>...</abc>). hehe)
[12:44] <Jucato> SlimeyPete: it's not just an integrated "file manager", but yes on the "integrated desktop"
[12:46] <SlimeyPete> Jucato: yeah... actually now I'm thinking of it I rarely use apps in combination with each other and I don't use graphical file managers or a desktop (I run everything full-screen)... maybe I should just run fluxbox/openbox/wmii with a bunch of KDE apps.
[12:46]  * SlimeyPete ponders
[12:46] <Jucato> to each his own :)
[12:47]  * Jucato uses KDE *because* of the integration :)
[12:47] <ForgeAus> sporry I said oborox apparantly its OroboROX
[12:47] <ForgeAus> Under X, you can choose to run any window manager with any desktop. Many of the screenshots show the xfwm4 or OroboROX window managers in a more-or-less default configuration.
[12:47] <SlimeyPete> well, indeed. I appreciate that many people find the integration stuff useful... I'm just not sure that it's much use to me.
[12:47] <ForgeAus> so Fluxbox uses ROX + Fluxbox? instead of xfwm4 or OroboROX ?
[12:47] <Jucato> ForgeAus: sure you can. that's what makes it possible to use Compiz in GNOME and KDE
[12:48] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I think storbeck said "Fluxbuntu uses ROX"
[12:48] <SlimeyPete> ForgeAus: you can run fluxbox over the top of KDE (instead of KWin) if you want to, but I'm not sure why one would want to do that. Perhaps because Fluxbox allows you to group windows together.
[12:49] <DexterF> ok who gan gimme a hand with writing a video dvd with k3b? I told it "new video dvd", dragged the VOBs into the VIDEO_TS folder and burnt. disc won't work.
[12:49] <DexterF> can mount it but kaffeine or smplayer don't recognize it as a video dvd
[12:50] <SlimeyPete> DexterF: should be fine, assuming the VOBs are unencrypted.
[12:50] <DexterF> SlimeyPete: they are
[12:50] <SlimeyPete> you normally need an IFO or something too though
[12:50] <ForgeAus> SlimyPete do you mean that would be Kwin + fluxbox istead of running Kicker (or kickstart or whatever kde4's is called?)
[12:51] <SlimeyPete> ForgeAus: it'd be fluxbox instead of KWin (so... the KDE desktop but with Fluxbox handling the window management and decoration)
[12:51] <DexterF> SlimeyPete: all there. copied the disc to disk with DVDshrink in windows, smplayer plays it alright when I tell it to open the folder.
[12:51] <storbeck> You can't use Fluxbox with KDE
[12:51] <SlimeyPete> not sure if Kicker would work. It might. If not you could no doubt use fluxbox's bar
[12:51] <storbeck> That's like saying you can use Gnome on KDE
[12:51] <SlimeyPete> storbeck: oh... why not?
[12:51] <SlimeyPete> works with GNOME
[12:51] <Jucato> storbeck: yes you can
[12:52] <storbeck> How so?
[12:52] <SlimeyPete> storbeck: it's nothing like that ;p
[12:52] <SlimeyPete> Fluxbox is a WM, not a DE
[12:52] <SlimeyPete> like KWin.
[12:52] <Jucato> storbeck: fluxbox is *not* like GNOME. it is *not* a Desktop Environment
[12:52] <Jucato> fluxbox is like metacity (GNOME) or kwin (KDE)
[12:52] <DexterF> storbeck: deep in kde's guts you can tell it to use another win man than kwin. why someone would wanna do this is beyond me tho :)
[12:52] <storbeck> I'd like to see a screenshot of that...
[12:52] <ForgeAus> me too
[12:53] <DexterF> me not :D
[12:53] <storbeck> I'll believe it when I see it.
[12:53] <SlimeyPete> storbeck: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://octopi.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/snapshot1.png&imgrefurl=http://octopi.wordpress.com/2007/05/12/gentoo-secret-sauce-apple-macbook-pro-g4-667/&h=854&w=1280&sz=134&hl=en&start=4&sig2=R8gsY7VvTmau4YE3lxyeag&um=1&tbnid=lK2QagD5JZkgpM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=150&ei=xZfOR9yWMoOkeLLhtQY&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkde%2Bwith%2Bfluxbox%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
[12:54] <SlimeyPete> ick, that's a nasty url ;)
[12:54] <Jucato> jere
[12:54] <Jucato> here's one too: http://www.ubuntux.org/kubuntu-with-fluxbox
[12:54] <ForgeAus> nice and short URL there :)
[12:54] <Jucato> storbeck: if you can't use fluxbox (which is a window manager) with KDE, it's like saying you can't use compiz/beryl with KDE
[12:54] <storbeck> SlimeyPete: How is that fluxbox?
[12:55] <SlimeyPete> storbeck: notice the window decorations.
[12:55] <ForgeAus> Jucato what part of that screenshot makes it KDE?
[12:55] <SlimeyPete> it's running fluxbox as the window manager
[12:55] <derjens> hello everybody
[12:55] <storbeck> These days I will replace KDE with Fluxbox and testing some alternative compilers like D/Digitlmars an stuff.
[12:55] <Jucato> ForgeAus: that's the tricky part about using a different window manager for GNOME or KDE
[12:56] <storbeck> That's in the website.
[12:56] <ForgeAus> hehe Jucato I agree, its confusing
[12:56] <storbeck> I don't think he's running fluxbox on KDE.
[12:56] <ForgeAus> I can certainly see the fluxbox there
[12:56] <SlimeyPete> storbeck: look, just try it. It works fine, I can assure you. It's a bit pointless but it works.
[12:56] <derjens> here are two students... i've been using linux for some years but i am not familiar with ubuntu
[12:57] <derjens> i should help this guy with his external harddisk
[12:57] <ForgeAus> but nothing about that shows me that it's running on KDE  (rather than Kubuntu)...
[12:57] <storbeck> Eh, I'd rather not install KDE. :] I'm really not that worried about it
[12:57] <derjens> there are some vfat partitions which are mounted automatically, but all the NTFS cannot be accessed via Dolphin
[12:57] <Jucato> you see, the problem is that you are just looking for "visual cues" to whether he's using KDE or fluxbox.. you're just looking for things like a panel or window decorations, without taking into consideration the processes that are  running benath
[12:57] <derjens> it's kubuntu 7.1 he just said
[12:58] <derjens> is this kubuntu version capable of auto mounting ntfs partitions?
[12:58] <ForgeAus> Jucato partly yes, but I was looking more for how KDE blended (or perhaps how it doesn't blend) with fluxbox
[12:58] <derjens> read-only access is suitable
[12:58] <Jucato> I need to compile fluxbox just to prove a point? hm...
[12:58] <ForgeAus> you keep making a distinction between the desktop and the window manager...
[12:59] <Jucato> yes. because a desktop environment does *more* than just provide window borders (which is what you're trying to look for in a screenshot)
[12:59] <derjens> why does HAL not mount a NTFS saying it "refuses uid 1000"?
[12:59] <blujay> That screenshot is using a kwin window decoration.
[12:59] <Jucato> derjens: I don't think Kubuntu 7.10 is able to automount NTFS just yet, but ntfs-3g is installed by default
[13:00] <Jucato> blujay: yeah. quartz
[13:00] <derjens> Jucato, well, we can mount ntfs as root -- it works obviously... why does it not work with auto mount?
[13:00] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g
[13:00] <Jucato> sorry I'm not familiar with mounting NTFS
[13:00] <derjens> dolphin tries to mount the device but HAL refuses to do so
[13:01] <DexterF> derjens: I had to tinker with fstab settigns but finally got it working, ill paste you the line, moment
[13:02] <DexterF> derjens: /dev/hda5  /media/e     ntfs-3g   users,gid=users,umask=0002,silent,utf8,locale=de_DE.utf8 0 0
[13:02] <derjens> DexterF, does this fstab solution work with ANY device plugged in?
[13:02] <DexterF> derjens: oh, you mean like a usb disk?
[13:02] <derjens> this is all about usb harddisks
[13:03] <derjens> DexterF, yes
[13:03] <ForgeAus> Jucato Fluxbox does more than just provide window borders
[13:03] <Jucato> http://developer.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/ btw
[13:03] <DexterF> hmm. ok, you'd have to pass users/gid somehow... good question. possibly you have to mess wiht the udev rules or remount manually.
[13:04] <stond> can someone please tell me how to remove and delete root folders
[13:04] <Jucato> stond: that depends. normally you shouldn't. which folders are you asking about
[13:04] <Jucato> (they are not owned by you for a reason)
[13:04] <DexterF> stond: you mean like / ? you dont wanna delete that
[13:06] <DexterF> derjens: have a look here, guess you can do that stunt in kubuntu, too: http://de.opensuse.org/NTFS
[13:06] <Jucato> http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/ lists "KDE support" as one of the features. :)
[13:06] <DexterF> (scroll down to the section about external disks)
[13:06] <ForgeAus> yeah well according to the previous page you sent me to Enlightenment has KDE support too
[13:07] <stond> i have created two folder in ?usr/local/bin called nethostfs and usbhostfs and i put an executable file in each one plus I moved a couple of other executable there and I want to remove them and dont know how using a terminal
[13:07] <Jucato> yeah. and E is a schizophrenic WM :)
[13:07] <ForgeAus> it only has partial Gnome Support tho
[13:07] <ForgeAus> lol I agree Jucato
[13:07] <ForgeAus> You can see KDE dockets, on the Fluxbox slit. Also WindowMaker dockets work well.
[13:09] <ForgeAus> what exactly is a kde docket?
[13:09] <derjens> i just tried to change the permissions of the mount point
[13:09] <derjens> chown USERNAME /media/harddisk_xyz
[13:09] <derjens> there was no error message but the owner did not change
[13:10] <derjens> i have already done such things on the distros
[13:10] <derjens> why does it not work for this NTFS partition?
[13:10] <ForgeAus> shouldn't it be docklet?
[13:11] <llutz> derjens: because it is a non-unix-filesystem which won't work with unix-permissions. permissions have to be set by mount-options
[13:11] <derjens> i tried to change the owner of other mount points in order to give special permissions to some user, but there was the error "permission denied"
[13:11] <DexterF> derjens: actually you override the perms with gid/users and linux then won't care about perms.
[13:11] <llutz> derjens: read documentation for ntfs/ntfs-3g
[13:12] <derjens> llutz, what do you mean by setting permissions per mount point? this is what i tried to do, in my point of view
[13:12] <llutz> derjens: nope, i meant mount-options not changing them by chmod/chown
[13:12] <stond> hey  I want to delete all the stuff I added to /usr/local/bin/ can anybody tell me how to do it using Terminal
[13:12] <llutz> derjens: "man mount"
[13:13] <stond> hey  I want to delete all the stuff I added to /usr/local/bin/ can anybody tell me how to do it using Terminal
[13:14] <ForgeAus> btw Jucato why do you need to compile fluxbox, can't you just apt-get it?
[13:15] <stond> hey  I want to delete all the stuff I added to /usr/local/bin/ can anybody tell me how to do it using Terminal
[13:15] <ForgeAus> erm stond be careful there
[13:16] <Jucato> ForgeAus: I'm not on Kubuntu right now. hold on is storbeck still around?
[13:16] <ForgeAus> if you know the name(s) of the files simply use rm <filename>
[13:16] <llutz> stond: "all"?      find /usr/local -type f -exec rm {} \;
[13:17] <ForgeAus> of course from /usr/local/bin you may need sudo
[13:17] <ForgeAus> oh and because its a directory (I just backread) you'd find it easier using rm -rd
[13:17] <Jucato> ForgeAus: screenshot coming soon
[13:18] <stond> llutz i just want to delete folders and files I installed to /usr/local/bin/
[13:18] <ForgeAus> Jucato, some portage-based distro?
[13:18] <Jucato> source based, but not portage-based
[13:18] <llutz> stond the walk through the dirs and delete by hand (cd, rm, ls, or better mc will help)
[13:19] <storbeck> Jucato: Do you need me?
[13:19] <Jucato> in a while.
[13:19] <storbeck> Okay, it might take a bit to respond. I'm watching Saved by the Bell :)
[13:20] <ForgeAus> hmm that rules out Gentoo
[13:21] <Jucato> storbeck, ForgeAus, SlimeyPete: http://jucato.org/stuff/kde-flux.png KDE using fluxbox as WM (ugly, needed to do it quick). notice kicker (KDE panel) and the flux panel running at the same time
[13:21] <stond> llutz what do you mean I am a noobie at all this could you please expllain what you mean and what is (cd, rm, ls) and what is mc
[13:22] <ForgeAus> wow that looks nice Jucato :)
[13:23] <ForgeAus> hmmm the is the K-menu a docklet?
[13:23] <Jucato> I did it hackingly though... killed kwin, started flux...
[13:23] <Jucato> no, it's just kicker with lots of icons ;)
[13:23] <ForgeAus> hehe hmmm well it seems to have worked nicely enough
[13:23] <storbeck> Heh Jucato, you didn't really need to do that. I didn't really care all that much
[13:23] <ForgeAus> I wasn't talking about your screenshot
[13:24] <ForgeAus> in fact your kicker looks more like an OSX dock (or kooldock or something)
[13:24] <storbeck> Looks like kxdocker
[13:24] <ForgeAus> yeah something like that
[13:24] <Jucato> that's what I meant. it's just kicker with icons :)
[13:24] <ForgeAus> (kooldock is similar)
[13:24] <Jucato> no fancy stuff
[13:24] <llutz> stond use google to find some howtos/tutorial on linux shell-cmd basics.
[13:24] <Jucato> brb. gonna try something again :)
[13:24] <ForgeAus> yeah anyway Jucato I was asking about if Kmenu is a docklet?
[13:24] <ForgeAus> because you could add it to your fluxbox slit that way :)
[13:25] <ForgeAus> (since flux supposedly has kde docklet support)
[13:25] <ForgeAus> (also the WindowMaker dock-bar)
[13:26] <ForgeAus> wouldn't a K-menu make the fluxbox slit more useful?
[13:27] <ForgeAus> that and probably a shutdown and/or trash icon hehe
[13:27] <Jucato> haha! KDEWM works as advertised! :)
[13:27] <Jucato> no need to kill kwin and start fluxbox manually. :D
[13:27] <Jucato> actually I don't know much about flux :)
[13:27] <Jucato> 2nd time I tried to use it. but if you do run KDE+Fluxbox, you sort of dont' get the right-click menu of flux
[13:27] <Jucato> ah yes.. kdesktop is the "killer"
[13:28] <Jucato> if kdesktop is running, you get the KDE "desktop" (wallpaper, icons, right-click menus)
[13:28] <Jucato> kill it to get flux's (as long as fluxbox is running)
[13:28] <ForgeAus> I still think your screenshot looked nice :)
[13:28] <Jucato> :D
[13:29] <ForgeAus> (you could probably set up your mouse buttons so you get a middleclick menu for one and a rightclick menu for the other
[13:29] <ForgeAus> (whichever wm you prefer for which)
[13:29] <Jucato> you can do that in KDE
[13:29] <Jucato> Configure Desktop -> Behavior -> Mouse Button Actions
[13:29] <ForgeAus> yeah switch ur kde rightclick menu to middleclick and fluxbox will probably do ur rightclick?
[13:30] <ForgeAus> Jucato I've done it before :)
[13:30] <ForgeAus> well not the flux thing
[13:30] <ForgeAus> but the mouse buttons I've messed with
[13:30] <Jucato> :)
[13:30] <ForgeAus> (added a middleclick menu from memory)
[13:31] <ForgeAus> what I should have done is added an Mac-menu switch to it somehow.. (so I can use the middle button to toggle kde's top-screen menu like Macintosh has)
[13:31] <ForgeAus> not that I prefer to use my PC that way
[13:31] <ForgeAus> many OSX themes use that + Baghira
[13:32] <Jucato> lots of stuff you can do :)
[13:32] <ForgeAus> me personally I'd add more functional components to that "menu"
[13:52] <Dark-Alien-Core> can you help me? im a newbie and i wanted on my homepage a formular send to my email,so i have found a script from this page http://www.scripted.de/lekt4h.htmlbut i don`t know how i can send the formular to my email
[13:53] <Dark-Alien-Core> ?
[13:55] <DexterF> Dark-Alien-Core: rather a webserving question. tried #apache?
[13:56] <Dark-Alien-Core> ok i try it
[13:57] <DexterF> got an ntfs-3g mount here, works so far apart from one thing: on each chmod/chown action it yells. I added "silent" to the fstab line but still no change. what's wrong?
[14:16] <KR-data> how do I make Firefox go back in history when pressing backspace (like you would expect) in stead of making a page up replacement (wtf. is that even good for?)
[14:17] <SlimeyPete> KR-data: type about::config into the url bar
[14:17] <SlimeyPete> you have to change a setting there - I'm afraid I can't remember which one
[14:18] <SlimeyPete> erm, about:config even
[14:18] <storbeck> LOL @ swiftfox's about:config
[14:18] <storbeck> "This might void your warranty!"
[14:20] <KR-data> SlimeyPete, thanks, do you know why that ridiculous setting has been made?
[14:20] <SlimeyPete> no idea
[14:20] <SlimeyPete> it is a bit silly.
[14:21] <KR-data> I agree, and I hate it, because it's annoying
[14:23] <KR-data> SlimeyPete, browser.backspace_action should be set to 0 ^^
[14:27] <joseph> lately, firefox seems to crash when any video is played, regardless of file type.  is anyone else having this problem?
[14:27] <storbeck> joseph: flash videos?
[14:28] <joseph> flash and mpeg
[14:28] <joseph> anything that plays in the browser
[14:28] <storbeck> I've never had it crash on an mpeg, but I managed to reduce the crashes a lot by using swiftfox
[14:28] <storbeck> (on flash movies)
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> joseph, try renaming your ~/.firefox folder
[14:29] <el-gokulo> no crash. here now, since ive updated the nvidia driver
[14:29] <joseph> ActionParsnip: i don't have a .firefox folder.  i do have a .mozilla folder, though
[14:29] <jhutchins_wk> None here on several boxes, but I don't do a lot of video.
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> joseph, that'll do it
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> joseph, if it doesnt make a difference, rename it back]
[14:30] <joseph> k
[14:31] <joseph> yeah, it doesn't make any difference; firefox still freezes when playing video.
[14:31] <jhutchins_wk> joseph: ram/videocard/cpu?
[14:32] <joseph> jhutchins: everything worked fine before a couple days ago
[14:32] <Agent_bob> anyone that might be able to help me figure out why i can't ssh into a particular box as root ?
[14:32] <joseph> nothing has changed
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> joseph, ok then rename it back and relaunch your firefox
[14:33] <joseph> has flash been updated lately?
[14:33] <llutz> Agent_bob: because it's configured with "no rootlogin"?
[14:33] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob, dont ssh as root, ssh as user and sudo if you need admin power
[14:34] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip so can you help me figure out why it's not working or not ?
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> see what llutz sid
[14:34] <Agent_bob> llutz not it.  checked that.
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> *said
[14:34] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob, i'd strongly suggest against it
[14:34] <joseph> Agent_bob: so can you ssh as a normal user?
[14:35] <Agent_bob> joseph yes
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob, I've never done it myself, let me google
[14:35] <llutz> Agent_bob: check "PermitRootLogin" in sshd_config
[14:36] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip it's ok.  no need searching.   i do this all the time, and only one of 7 boxes is giving trouble.
[14:36] <joseph> so you ssh in as a regular user and then use sudo to execute root commands.  unless the ssh box is on your local network behind a firewall, it's just not a good idea to ssh in as root.
[14:36] <Agent_bob> llutz i said i checked that
[14:36] <llutz> Agent_bob: if it is set to "yes" check server-logs for reason
[14:36] <Agent_bob> joseph can't su/sudo
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> Agent_bob, what is the message when you try to ssh?
[14:37] <joseph> Agent_bob: if you can't sudo, then you probably shouldn't be using root to begin with.  i'd check to see if your normal user is in the sudo conf files in /etc
[14:37] <Agent_bob> ActionParsnip says   Permission denied, please try again.
[14:37] <Agent_bob> root@192.168.0.6's password:
[14:37] <Agent_bob> Permission denied (publickey,password).
[14:38] <Agent_bob> joseph :)   sudo doesn't work on "nosuid" systems.
[14:38] <joseph> Agent_bob: ok, my mistake.
[14:38] <Agent_bob> err  not unless you are already root.
[14:38] <joseph> you should probably run ssh with -v options to get more info on why you can't log in
[14:39] <Agent_bob> i'm not seeing any ssh log .....
[14:39] <Agent_bob> what's the normal log file for ssh ?
[14:39] <Agent_bob> sshd   ^
[14:40] <llutz> auth.log, syslog
[14:40] <joseph> yeah, but you can do like ssh -vvv and you'll get good logging info in standard output
[14:40] <Agent_bob> hah.  got a syslog  but i can't access it cause i'm not root
[14:41] <llutz> Agent_bob: also "su" won't work?
[14:42] <joseph> su cat /var/log/auth.log
[14:46] <Xbehave> sometimes my keyboard locks up entirely and even my sysrq keys fail  but my  mouse still works fine, ive even restarted x but it didnt help
[14:50] <Agent_bob> sorry for that interruption.
[14:50] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d4b773719
[14:50] <Agent_bob> and before you say it.    NO !   the password is correct.
[14:51] <BluesKaj> hiyasall :)
[14:51] <Agent_bob> it doesn't look like i'm going to have enough free time to work on this today anyway.
[14:51] <Agent_bob> BluesKaj shalom
[14:52] <sebastianito> hi!
[14:52] <sebastianito> how do i install programs that i downloaded in kde 4.0.1?
[14:52] <sebastianito> does kubuntu use deb or rpm?
[14:52] <Agent_bob> deb
[14:52] <jpatrick> !debian | sebastianito
[14:52] <ubotu> sebastianito: Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[14:53] <Agent_bob> and in short.  if it's a .deb    dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[14:53] <Agent_bob> man dpkg for all the details.
[14:54] <Agent_bob> well   i'll come back when i have more time to spend on that ssh question.
[14:54] <sebastianito> the problem is i downloaded skype for ubuntu and i dont know how to install it
[14:54] <dthacker-work> Hi!  I have a very nice Gutsy install on my laptop, and I am using Kmail.  Do I have to install postfix to send mail from my laptop to the internet?
[14:55] <dthacker-work> !skype
[14:55] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[14:55] <dthacker-work> sebastianito: ^^
[14:55] <sorin7486> can anybody tell me what was that command that would print a famous quote in command line ?
[14:55] <sebastianito> ok thx
[14:56] <sorin7486> It's driving me crazy ...
[14:56] <dthacker-work> sorin7486: fortune
[14:56] <sorin7486> right... thanks
[14:56] <dthacker-work> np
[14:56] <sebastianito> dthacker-work i got command not found
[14:57] <dthacker-work> Do nothing unless you must, and when you must act -- hesitate.
[14:58] <sebastianito> ubotu: thx i think it will work :D
[14:58] <dthacker-work> sebastianito: what command was not found?  (need those details ;)
[14:58]  * dthacker-work hugs ubotu
[14:58] <sebastianito> !skype
[14:58] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[14:59] <sebastianito> is ubotu a bot?
[15:00] <dthacker-work> sebastianito: yep. and a very smart one!
[15:00] <dthacker-work> !botsnack
[15:00] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[15:00] <sebastianito> ya i noticed
[15:00] <sebastianito> ubotu: how do i install msn
[15:01] <sebastianito> haha he doesent seem very smart
[15:01] <dthacker-work> sebastianito: msn messenger?
[15:01] <sebastianito> anybody know where to get more widgets for kde4? i looked at kde-look but didnt find any
[15:02] <dthacker-work> nope
[15:02] <sebastianito> dthacker-work: no i was just trying the bot
[15:02] <joseph> !botsnack
[15:02] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[15:02] <sebastianito> !botsnack
[15:03] <ForgeAus> erm not so many botsnaks...
[15:03] <dthacker-work> start with an exclamation point, and please don't abuse the bot.  (get what you need for info and leave it be....)
[15:03] <ForgeAus> I mean they're cute but it leads to bot-abuse
[15:04] <sebastianito> ya
[15:04] <ForgeAus> lol and for those that don't know Yum is a package manager that Suse (and perhaps some other distro's) use
[15:06] <sebastianito> how can i lock my desktop in kde4? i get an error message
[15:06] <Jucato> s/Suse/Red Hat and Fedora/
[15:06] <Jucato> Suse doesn't use yum. it uses libzypp
[15:07] <ForgeAus> isn't Yast a frontend for Yum?
[15:07] <Jucato> no
[15:07] <ForgeAus> I'm certain Suse uses yast
[15:07] <Jucato> YaST is not *just* a package manager. part of it has a package manager (yast2 iirc)
[15:08]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[15:08] <dthacker-work> Suse does use yast, but it is more than a package manager
[15:08] <dthacker-work> Jucato is too fast.  :)
[15:08] <ForgeAus> what else is it?
[15:08] <rjune_> yast is a frontend to rpm
[15:08] <dthacker-work> Equivalent of Systems-Settings
[15:08] <rjune_> is a configuration tool
[15:08] <Jucato> YaST = "Yet another Setup Tool"
[15:08] <ForgeAus> ok fine
[15:08] <rjune_> and yes, suse can use yum.
[15:09] <rjune_> both zypp and yum use rpm, so both will work.
[15:09] <ForgeAus> mandrake uses rpmdrake right?
[15:09] <ForgeAus> oops mandriva
[15:09] <trappist> mandrake uses urpmi
[15:09] <trappist> right, mandriva :)
[15:09] <ForgeAus> I still think of it as mandrake lol
[15:10] <Jucato> hm.. I don't think yast can use yum. just because both libzypp and yum use rpm.
[15:10] <Jucato> aaanyway...
[15:10] <ForgeAus> although taht was long ago, mandriva = Mandrake + connectiva but then Lycoris got absorbed into the mix too
[15:10] <trappist> I think yast is suse, and suse is rpm
[15:10]  * dthacker-work reaches in his pocket for a yellow card offtopic
[15:11] <ForgeAus> lol
[15:13] <joseph> they should disable the botsnack feature.  everyone complains when you use it.
[15:13] <ForgeAus> joseph I wasn't trying to complain...
[15:13] <joseph> ForgeAus: your point is well-taken, though
[15:13] <joseph> there's no utility in that command
[15:14] <ForgeAus> I like it I was just saying they were in danger of overusing it
[15:14] <joseph> yeah
[15:14] <dthacker-work> If I don't specify an outgoing host in Kmail, will it just try to connect to mail.domiain-im-sending-too.xxx?
[15:14] <dthacker-work> ISP at home requires you to send through their server, but at work I can't reach it.
[15:15] <dthacker-work> so I'm trying to debug
[15:17] <joseph> !fetchmail
[15:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fetchmail - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:17] <joseph> !postfix
[15:17] <ubotu> postfix is the default !MTA and !MDA on Ubuntu. For help, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixBasicSetupHowto - See also !MailServer
[15:17] <trappist> ok all of a sudden kontact/kmail is working fine except I can't read my emails.  they're listed in the list pane, but nothing ever shows up in the preview pane.  any ideas?
[15:18] <trappist> restarted kontact, restarted the imap server on the other end, no help
[15:19] <BluesKaj> preview pane can be dangerous ...or is that just my "windows" way of thinking ?
[15:19] <SlimeyPete> doesn't really matter on Linux at the moment but it pays to be prudent.
[15:19] <trappist> BluesKaj: yeah, outlook & oe like to execute everything they see
[15:20] <trappist> so you get an email with some javascript or something and it says ooh look! code!
[15:20] <trappist> anyway I have kontact display my emails in plain text as a precaution
[15:20] <Aranel> Jack_Sparrow: It works, thanks :) But the sound is really low.
[15:21] <Aranel> oh, he's gone :/
[15:22] <noaXess> hi all
[15:23] <noaXess> i have a running touchscreen pad.. now i need a handwriting recognition software.. what to se for this?
[15:23] <noaXess> ...to use...
[15:33] <jhutchins_wk> gg: linux handwriting recognition
[15:36] <eko_> hi, I get an error message KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/knetattach'.
[15:36] <xamaztian> emm
[15:36] <xamaztian> hola
[15:36] <eko_> but, when I use command apt-get install to install knetattach...
[15:36] <eko_> it said knetattach already installed
[15:37] <xamaztian> oh
[15:37] <xamaztian> you don't speak spanish?
[15:37] <eko_> any idea please?
[15:38] <noaXess> !xstroke
[15:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xstroke - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:38] <xamaztian> mmm
[15:39] <xamaztian> i don't speak english
[15:39] <SlimeyPete> !spanish
[15:39] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:39] <xamaztian> thanks
[15:47] <jhutchins_wk> !find xstroke
[15:47] <ubotu> Package/file xstroke does not exist in gutsy
[15:54] <Agent_bob> ssh root login problem is solv'ed
[15:54] <Agent_bob> it was the shell variable    if anyone ever runs into that  same error message again.
[15:55] <Agent_bob> or should i say $SHELL
[15:55] <Agent_bob> i don't understand why local login works and remote doesn't,  but that's how it turns out.
[15:56]  * jpatrick never does: ssh root@..
[15:57] <joseph> ok, so i decided to use fetchmail to do google imap
[15:58] <joseph> however, when i check mail with kmail, nothing comes up
[15:58] <joseph> even though mailx says i have mail
[15:58] <jpatrick> joseph: have you set up kmail to use IMAP from your Gmail?
[15:59] <Agent_bob> jpatrick ummm hmm but with "nosuid" systems the only powwable way to remote admin is an ssh root shell
[15:59] <jpatrick> Agent_bob: I just use sudo, or su :)
[15:59] <joseph> jpatrick: no, i set up kmail to read from the local mail spool
[15:59] <Agent_bob> not on a nosuid system you don't
[15:59] <joseph>  /var/mail/joseph
[15:59] <jpatrick> joseph: ah ok, no idea then
[15:59] <joseph> thanks
[16:02] <francism> joseph: try using fetchmail to connect to gmail via POP.
[16:02] <joseph> francism: why?
[16:03] <Agent_bob> there is no such thing as using su/sudo on a nosuid system    or should i say only root can do that.    so in essence it can't be done.  @ jpatrick
[16:03] <jpatrick> Agent_bob: I read it :)
[16:03] <joseph> after running fetchmail when i check mail using kmail, it says "Transmission failed.  Could not lock /var/mail/joseph"
[16:05] <joseph> fixed it
[16:05] <joseph> had the wrong locking method specified
[16:06] <Agent_bob> jpatrick therefore if sshd is only listening on the dmz and root login is with sshkeys only  it makes it pretty hard to admin if ssh root@192.168.*.* stops working.  or doesn't work.
[16:06] <jpatrick> Agent_bob: right
[16:06] <Agent_bob> don't worry.  i'll leave in a minute.
[16:06] <Agent_bob> :)
[16:08] <sentinel> hi ... i'm new with kubuntu ... where i can find the hardware manager?
[16:08] <Agent_bob> of the systems that i have access to one is a "normal" +suid system,   and i hacked it the other day to prove that it could be done.      haven't been able to on these nosuid boxen   but that doesn't mean it can't be done...
[16:08] <fotis> mozilla
[16:08] <Agent_bob> sentinel setting at the keyboard.
[16:09] <sentinel> keyboard???
[16:09] <Agent_bob> what kind of hardware issue do you have ?
[16:11] <sentinel> i'm using 3G broadband connection .. Knetworkmanager showed no connection , i ca't connect to th net
[16:11] <Agent_bob> is that wireless ?
[16:12] <sentinel> yes
[16:12] <Agent_bob> !wifi
[16:12] <SlimeyPete> it's not wifi
[16:12] <sentinel> nope
[16:12] <SlimeyPete> it's mobile phone (cellphone)
[16:12] <sentinel> yes correct
[16:13] <Agent_bob> SlimeyPete can you walk him through it?
[16:13] <SlimeyPete> I'm afraid not - I know what 3G is but I don't use it myself
[16:13] <SlimeyPete> I think I'm just about the only geek in Europe who doesn't ;) Sorry.
[16:13] <sentinel> hey no worries
[16:14]  * Agent_bob dislikes/avoids all wireless.
[16:15] <sentinel> tis will not deter me  away from kubuntu ... i'm changing from windows
[16:15] <sentinel> agent_bob... wireless is fredom ... am i wrong?
[16:15] <Agent_bob> what dir does sshd actually "listen in" ?    anyone know ?
[16:15] <Agent_bob> sentinel freedom from what ?
[16:16] <Agent_bob> sentinel wireless is "your neibour using your connection without your permission"  in most places/cases
[16:17] <Agent_bob> and often reading your mail.
[16:17] <Agent_bob> so yeah it is freedom    for him.
[16:17] <SlimeyPete> Agent_bob: sshd listens on a port, not a directory...
[16:17] <SlimeyPete> (port 22 by default)
[16:18] <Agent_bob> SlimeyPete i didn't say on or to   but in.  everything is running some place
[16:18] <Agent_bob> SlimeyPete and sshd is not listening in / cause bin/sh would work as a shell if it was.   neither is it in root's home cause bin/sh would work if it were
[16:19] <SlimeyPete> Agent_bob: oh, you mean the working directory.
[16:19] <Agent_bob> $PWD
[16:20] <SlimeyPete> yeah, that. I'd've guessed / too, *shrug*. Doesn't /bin/sh work?
[16:20] <Agent_bob> SlimeyPete /bin/sh does  but bin/sh does not
[16:21] <Agent_bob> and root's shell is set to bin/sh on that box.
[16:21] <Agent_bob> because of a restricted and logged shell
[16:22] <hydrogen> so give it the full path..?
[16:22] <Agent_bob> i might be able to use ~/bin/sh   but listing the full path is not really an option there
[16:24] <Agent_bob> ummm nope   Cannot execute ~/bin/shell: No such file or directory
[16:24] <Agent_bob> seems it doesn't expand the tild
[16:27] <Agent_bob> NDPMacBook:  more work to do. jpatrick hydrogen SlimeyPete    gooday
[16:28] <NDPMacBook> ...
[16:34] <tsb> When I have read emails, I move them to a folder ("proccesed") - is there a way to make a shortcut for that? Like how del moves it to trash
[16:38] <tsb> (kmail)
[16:45] <yao_ziyuan> ktorrent doesn't seem to fully support unicode filenames (filenames specified in a torrent). i suggest ubuntu uses the official bittorrent client instead.
[16:48] <NickPresta> yao_ziyuan, are you absolutely sure ktorrent doesn't fully support unicode filenames? Have you asked on the Ktorrent forums?
[16:48] <Daisuke_Ido> it supports unicode fine -_-
[16:48] <yao_ziyuan> NickPresta: i used ktorrent to download some torrents which contain chinese filenames
[16:48] <NickPresta> Daisuke_Ido, I thought so too.
[16:49] <yao_ziyuan> they're displayed as boxes and can't be opened by ktorrent (must manually open in a file browser)
[16:49] <yao_ziyuan> i'm in english locale
[16:49] <yao_ziyuan> maybe this is the problem
[16:49] <NickPresta> yao_ziyuan, can you give me an example of such a torrent?
[16:49] <yao_ziyuan> s/problem/cause
[16:49] <yao_ziyuan> but i'm sure the official bt client can do well
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> link please!
[16:49] <yao_ziyuan> NickPresta: are you fbi?
[16:50] <NickPresta> yao_ziyuan, if you can't provide me with a torrent that isn't illegal to post here, then don't post it :)
[16:50] <Daisuke_Ido> the official bittorent client is a non-adjustable bandwidth hog - making that the default would be an extremely poor decision on the ubuntu team's part.
[16:50] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[16:50] <jhutchins_wk> yao_ziyuan: What client you use is entirely up to you.
[16:51] <yao_ziyuan> i'll give you a way to find a chinese torrent file:
[16:51] <jhutchins_wk> azureus is pretty popular.
[16:51] <yao_ziyuan> google: btchina
[16:51] <yao_ziyuan> and click into the first result
[16:51] <yao_ziyuan> it is a torrent search engine in china
[16:51] <yao_ziyuan> just enter a movie name in english
[16:51] <yao_ziyuan> it should give you a list of results. click any of them, you get a torrent file
[16:52] <jhutchins_wk> yao_ziyuan: Really, no need to prove that ktorrent can be broken - it's the kde component, using the kde shared libraries, so it's the default on a kde desktop.
[16:52] <jhutchins_wk> yao_ziyuan: How about say a Live CD torrent?
[16:52] <jhutchins_wk> yao_ziyuan: Is the issue handling chinese characters in names?
[16:52] <yao_ziyuan> the torrent must specify files and/or folders that contain chinese characters
[16:53] <yao_ziyuan> jhutchins yes
[16:53] <yao_ziyuan> jhutchins_wk: yes
[16:53] <jpatrick> !bugs > yao_ziyuan
[16:54] <yao_ziyuan> sorry i feel it uncomfortable to file a bug :)
[16:55] <Daisuke_Ido> works perfectly, i don't know what's wrong with yours...
[16:55] <NickPresta> I just started a torrent and told it to save the contents to this folder: 字
[16:55] <NickPresta> it worked fine for me...
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> wth is that character NickPresta?
[16:56] <Daisuke_Ido> chinese
[16:56] <NickPresta> nosrednaekim, the first chinese character I could find on wikipedia under 'chinese character' lol
[16:56] <yao_ziyuan> NickPresta: then it failed. because there can't be a folder named with just one character
[16:56] <bikerpeter> hello
[16:56] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: hahah
[16:57] <NickPresta> yao_ziyuan, what do you mean you can't have a folder name with just one character. sure you can.
[16:57] <yao_ziyuan> well,
[16:57] <yao_ziyuan> my case is:
[16:57] <yao_ziyuan> i got folder names like:
[16:58] <yao_ziyuan> bbs.wofei.net@??????¿??????????????
[16:58] <yao_ziyuan> bbs.wofei.net@ħ����Ե
[16:58] <yao_ziyuan> bbs.wofei.net@??????????
[16:58] <yao_ziyuan> got it?
[16:58] <Daisuke_Ido> then you should really install the correct language support, huh?
[16:59] <NickPresta> yao_ziyuan, I would say that is a language support issue. I can display unicode characters just fine in my terminal and anywhere else I please (Including chracters like é)
[17:00] <ryanakca> yao_ziyuan: If you file a bug report, you have a greater chance of having the "problem" fixed.
[17:00] <yao_ziyuan> i "filed" one to #kubuntu-devel :)
[17:01] <ryanakca> yao_ziyuan: it'll get lost. It should be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu instead, that way we can keep track of it and monitor its progress.
[17:02] <yao_ziyuan> i'm not that enthusiastic about filing bugs, although i filed many
[17:02] <yao_ziyuan> but this one isn't a very important one
[17:04] <re-align> Bah, seems I forgot to install some packages so that I can play Windows Media format videos in Firefox...and Realplayer, etc...and here I thought I'd gotten the restricted formats package installed..:/
[17:04] <re-align> Er, realplayer format, not the player itself
[17:05] <Jucato> !w32codecs
[17:05] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[17:05] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: well, if youre looking for a SoC ptoject to do...what about something like Dolphin's media management for konqueror? atm konqueror is not able to handle media...
[17:06] <re-align> And it seems the nifty online doc I used before under Ubuntu isn't gonna work here as I'm using Kaffiene for video playing...
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: media management?
[17:06] <re-align> Hmm, so the moved them. Might be another reason I couldn't find 'em
[17:06] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: if you insert a disc into your cd-rom drive, or plug a flash memory, konqueror is unable to mount/handle them
[17:07] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: maybe something like media:/
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> oh... right.
[17:08] <re-align> heh, already have w32codecs installed. And still no worky...:(
[17:08]  * re-align had to check with Adept Manager
[17:09] <neosix> hello! Does anybody use KVirc
[17:10] <Erick> is there a professional Free webpage maker for ubuntu? one like Microsoft Publisher?
[17:10] <ryanakca> neosix: I sued to
[17:10] <nosrednaekim> Erick: komposer
[17:10] <neosix> well how can I change font output color
[17:10] <Erick> neosix, i use KVirc
[17:10] <neosix> how can I change font output color?
[17:10] <ryanakca> Erick: you might want to look at bluefish for a webpage maker / html editor
[17:11] <nosrednaekim> or quanta+
[17:11] <Erick> neosix, i think that can be done in the theme settings?
[17:11] <Erick> neosix, or, you could join #kvirc and ask there.
[17:12] <neosix> no there is no option for outpu text only for input
[17:12] <Erick> !komposer
[17:13] <Erick> !info komposer
[17:14] <neosix> these command won't work
[17:14] <Erick> hu?
[17:14] <Erick> wheres da bot...
[17:15] <Erick> neosix, did you join #kvirc?
[17:16] <neosix> yes I am
[17:16] <Erick> ok, i see
[17:17] <mifauna_> hola
[17:17] <Erick> hey
[17:18] <re-align> Hmm...let's see if installing kaffeine-mozilla helps...
[17:18] <mifauna_> holacomno estan
[17:21] <re-align> Nope, no effect...hmm...
[17:21] <NickPresta> !es | mifauna_
[17:22] <mifauna_> este es
[17:22] <re-align> I think Ubotu is having issues atm
[17:22] <ubotu_> mifauna_: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[17:22] <mifauna_> gracias
[17:23] <re-align> Or maybe just lagging...
[17:24] <neosix> OK I solved the problem
[17:24] <neosix> thanks Eric, godbye!
[17:24] <jmichaelx> i never really liked Ubotu very much anyways
[17:25] <Erick> lol
[17:32] <cuznt> !help
[17:32] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[17:37] <Arwen> argh, why does dolphin suck?
[17:39] <Arwen> and huh, it's OpenOffice.org 2.4rc2. w00t.
[17:40] <flaccid_> hug day wtf
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> bug day
[17:40] <mrunagi> shrug day
[17:40] <tinin> !kde4
[17:40] <flaccid_> incorrect topic day
[17:41] <mrunagi> offtopic day
[17:41] <flaccid_> who cares day
[17:41] <mrunagi> everyone is an op day
[17:41] <Jucato> ahem
[17:41] <knightz> hm.............
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> Jucato is an app ALWAYS... so behave
[17:42] <mrunagi> i sure wish i wasnt banned rom #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:42] <Arwen> bug day huh? Does dolphin sucking count as a bug?
[17:42] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[17:42] <flaccid_> i'm banned from everywhere
[17:42] <knightz> how do i know how much video memory i'm using?
[17:42] <flaccid_> hahah
[17:42] <LjL> this is not the channel to discuss bans
[17:42] <Arwen> knightz, with great difficulty
[17:42] <redlex> what's normal memory usage with kubuntu?
[17:42] <knightz> ?
[17:43] <Arwen> you might be able to find a minimum VRAM in use, but afaik there's no way to determine the actual amount
[17:43] <knightz> so ur telling me that i can't find out how much video memory i'm using?
[17:43] <hydrogen> you're*
[17:43] <Arwen> nope (not that I know of at least)
[17:44] <knightz> hm.... hm... that's very serious I feel
[17:44] <knightz> cause what if there a memory leak
[17:44] <stond> does anybody out there know how to use usbhostfs and/or cisoplus for linux
[17:44] <hydrogen> a video memory leak?
[17:44] <hydrogen> that'd be unique..
[17:44] <knightz> yes
[17:45] <knightz> cause I'm sharing v memory
[17:45] <stond> does anybody out there know how to use usbhostfs and/or cisoplus for linux
[17:45] <BluesKaj> usbhostfs? ...most usb drives are formatted to fat32
[17:46] <knightz> i don't want my vid memory using more memory than the system it self
[17:46] <Arwen> knightz, oh, if you're sharing memory, just look at how much Xorg is using
[17:46] <knightz> how do i do that?
[17:46] <Arwen> in the process table
[17:46] <stond> what do you mean formatted i just want to connect my PSP to my PC using usbhostfs
[17:46] <knightz> ok
[17:46] <Vermux> Im trying to download a photo from a web site, firefox  asks to install additional plugins. Then, it says that Java runtime environment is available. but it doesnt install it(no plugins were installed). Anybody know what to do?
[17:47] <flaccid_> !java | Vermux
[17:47] <ubotu> Vermux: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[17:47] <stond> does anybody out there know how to use usbhostfs and/or cisoplus for linux
[17:47] <BluesKaj> !patience | stond
[17:47] <ubotu> stond: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:48] <Vermux> flaccid_: I have Java installed already!
[17:49] <flaccid_> Vermux: dang
[17:49] <stond> sorry i didn't know I have trying for a month to get these to work but I cant figure it out
[17:49] <Vermux> flaccid_: ?
[17:50] <Erickj92> !komposer
[17:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about komposer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:50] <Vermux> should I install icedtea-java7-plugin?
[17:50] <Vermux> flaccid_: ^
[17:50] <BluesKaj> !usbhostfs
[17:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usbhostfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:50] <mrunagi> is there a 'head' op?
[17:51] <mrunagi> or do all ops run the show whether they are wrong or not
[17:51] <Vermux> need help with java plugin for ffox
[17:51] <BluesKaj> !cisoplus
[17:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cisoplus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:51] <jussi01> mrunagi: please dont pursue that in this channel
[17:51] <mrunagi> i was banned from ubuntu ops
[17:51] <mrunagi> where would i have persued it
[17:52]  * flaccid_ is just another user
[17:52] <BluesKaj> mrunagi, persuing it here won't help you
[17:52] <Erickj92> flaccid_, we are all king of users in a sence
[17:53] <Erickj92> kind**
[17:53] <Erickj92> !bluefish
[17:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bluefish - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:55] <jussi01> !info bluefish | Erickj92
[17:55] <ubotu> erickj92: bluefish (source: bluefish): advanced Gtk+ HTML editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.7-2 (gutsy), package size 1584 kB, installed size 6756 kB
[17:56] <Arwen> !freeformats
[17:56] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:56] <re-align> Vermux, you may have Java installed, but that doesn't neccissarily mean you have the plugin installed for your browser.
[17:56] <Erickj92> !info komposer
[17:56] <ubotu> Package komposer does not exist in gutsy
[17:56] <Erickj92> gusty*
[17:56] <Vermux> re-align: what do I do?
[17:56] <re-align> Bah typos ftl
[17:56] <paulo> como vou para sala em pt-br
[17:57] <jussi01> !info kompozer | Erickj92
[17:57] <ubotu> erickj92: kompozer (source: kompozer): Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.10-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 8510 kB, installed size 26160 kB
[17:57] <re-align> What's your browser, firefox?
[17:57] <mrunagi> you know what
[17:57] <mrunagi> screw thios
[17:57] <mrunagi> i hate the fucking ops
[17:57] <Vermux> re-align: yes
[17:57] <Erickj92> Vermux, i had a similar problem in gentoo
[17:57] <Arwen> uh, wtf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:57] <mrunagi> fuck all of you
[17:57] <mrunagi> im going to get on my phone
[17:57] <Arwen> PreferredFormat: Ogg Theora
[17:57] <Arwen> so we prefer our videos to look terrible?
[17:57]  * stdin sux
[17:58] <NickPresta> lol
[17:58] <knightz> hm..........
[17:58] <Erickj92> stdin, you get oped only when needed?
[17:58] <paulo> como faço para ir para uma sala em portugues brasil
[17:58] <BluesKaj> Erickj92, http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/
[17:58] <re-align> Make sure you have the plugin for firefox installed. Lemme go find the package...
[17:58] <jussi01> !br | paulo
[17:58] <stdin> Erickj92: that's freenode policy, yes
[17:58] <ubotu> paulo: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[17:58] <Vermux> Erickj92: I went to manual install, to java web site but I dont know which file to install
[18:02] <Arwen> "If you do not require compatibility with a DVD player, consider encoding your videos in the [WWW] Ogg Theora format. " <-- shouldn't this read "if you don't want your videos to be watchable..."?
[18:02] <stdin> Arwen: why?
[18:02] <Arwen> I'm all for free software, but bad advice is bad advice
[18:03] <Arwen> because Theora sucks. A lot.
[18:03] <hydrogen> bad troll is bad?
[18:03] <Arwen> a ~1Mbit/s, I still see all kinds of compression artifacts.
[18:03] <stdin> Arwen: you're opinion, not shared by me and others
[18:03] <Arwen> With XviD, there might be noise and even then
[18:03] <Cyrus> hi there
[18:03] <Arwen> with x264, it would be transparent to the original
[18:03] <Cyrus> i need help with the new kubuntu
[18:03]  * Arwen wonders if any of you ever actually tried doing what you suggest
[18:04] <re-align> Vermux, right, you have the official sun java package installed, or a third party java package?
[18:04]  * stdin wonders if Arwen grasps the concept of a wiki
[18:04] <Arwen> except, the wiki reflects the official standpoint of Ubuntu project.
[18:04] <Vermux> re-align: I think the officeial java
[18:04] <Cyrus> could someone please help me?
[18:05] <stdin> Cyrus: ask your question
[18:05] <re-align> Vermux, open your package manager (such as Adept Manager) and search for sun-java
[18:06] <BluesKaj> hmm, never considerd theora ,xvid and divx seems to work ok for cpmpressed video.. one can't expect too much from a 7:1 compression :)
[18:06] <Cyrus> i downloaded kubuntu 7.10 and tried to load it at an old laptop. it just started windows normally. other distributions like knoppix or backtrack booted from cd... what am i doin wrong?
[18:06] <flaccid_> Cyrus: probably need to change your boot order in BIOS
[18:07] <Cyrus> boot-order: cd - floppy - harddrive
[18:07] <Vermux> re-align: I have sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-jre installed
[18:07] <BluesKaj> Cyrus, you must change your boot sequence in BIOS to have the laptop look at the dvdrom drive first
[18:07] <Cyrus> it is first.
[18:07] <re-align> Vermux, right, for the browser, you'll need sun-java6-plugin
[18:08] <flaccid_> Cyrus: take out the hard disks and use cd rom only and see if there is an error or if it loads
[18:08] <flaccid_> i mean take out the hard disks from teh boot order
[18:08] <BluesKaj> Cyrus, bad burn or non bootable cd
[18:09] <Cyrus> how should i take out a harddrive on a laptop O.o
[18:09] <re-align> Cyrus, make sure the CD burned correctly by trying it in another computer. It may be you burned a coaster.
[18:10] <Limbeaux> can anyone recommend a network monitoring utitily with a novice output like a graph of traffic going through my sonicwall ?
[18:10] <Erickj92> how do i install firefox 3?
[18:10] <Arwen> Erickj92, download it from mozilla corp
[18:10] <Limbeaux> ethereal is too extensive and the results are over whelming
[18:10] <Erickj92> Arwen, how do i install it?
[18:10] <Arwen> Erickj92, download and extract
[18:10] <Arwen> then run it
[18:11] <Erickj92> uhhh
[18:11] <flaccid_> Limbeaux: what values do you need?
[18:11] <re-align> Limbeaux, you might try etherape
[18:11] <hydrogen> and break dependancy checking completely.
[18:11] <re-align> Or wireshark
[18:11] <Arwen> hydrogen, got a better suggestion? It has the same deps as normal firefox anyway.
[18:11] <Limbeaux> i need to know who uses the most traffic and what protocols are using the most bandwidth
[18:11] <flaccid_> an ok
[18:11] <flaccid_> !nfo ntop
[18:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nfo ntop - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:11] <flaccid_> hmmm
[18:12] <NickPresta> !info ntop
[18:12] <ubotu> ntop (source: ntop): display network usage in top-like format. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:3.2-10.1 (gutsy), package size 2707 kB, installed size 11172 kB
[18:12] <NickPresta> ;)
[18:12] <Vermux> re-align: ok, I installed but still cant download. it says applet downloadctl started.
[18:12] <flaccid_> thanks Nick LOL
[18:12] <hydrogen> Arwen: but things will be overwriten and other things will explode in the future if you have files that are not package managed overwriting those that are
[18:12] <re-align> Vermux, one step closer. Did you restart firefoxafter you installed the plugin?
[18:13] <hydrogen> Arwen: it makes much more sense to wait for it to either hit -backports or a ppa
[18:13] <mmance> I want to print forms to be filled in with pen, whats a good app to create them
[18:13]  * re-align stabs spacebar
[18:13] <Erickj92> how do i test to see if my webcam is working?
[18:13] <hydrogen> which I'm sure it will, because lots of people seem to think firefox is good
[18:13] <Vermux> re-align: no, but now it worked. I didnt change the destination now
[18:13] <flaccid_> !webcam | Erickj92
[18:13] <ubotu> Erickj92: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[18:13] <hydrogen> still havn't figured that one out, but meh
[18:13] <Vermux> re-align: yay!
[18:14] <Arwen> hydrogen, err... you can install it to /opt or ~/bin
[18:14] <Arwen> your argument is moot
[18:14] <re-align> Vermux, it's all about having the right packages installed
[18:14] <knightz> exit
[18:14] <Arwen> he could always fetch the source tarball from upstream and compile it himself but that's not a sensible or practical answer
[18:14] <flaccid_> there is no standard webcam protocol so it comes down to what cam you have and if ubuntu/linux can support it
[18:14] <hydrogen> Arwen: you still lose the benefit or dependancy checking
[18:15] <Vermux> re-align: it seems that I have the right packages, but I cant change destination when downloading photos. I c that always some lielle things with Linux cannot be done
[18:15] <Daisuke_Ido> intriguing.  linus denied ndiswrapper its gpl status.
[18:15] <Arwen> hydrogen, you don't need it if you have firefox normal installed too
[18:15] <hydrogen> if packages happen to depend on firefox, you will now have two separate packages installed, and may experience misbeahiors
[18:15] <Arwen> you can even use a dpkg divert to reroute those packages and install over
[18:15] <re-align> Check your firefox settings
[18:15] <Arwen> um, no?
[18:15] <hydrogen> it makes _Much_ more sense to just wait for it to be packaged
[18:15] <hydrogen> than to bypass the package manager
[18:15] <Arwen> err, no? especially because that DOESN'T ANSWER HIS QUESTION
[18:15] <hydrogen> it's what the package manager is there for
[18:15] <Arwen> answer the question first, then you can preach all you want
[18:16] <hydrogen> "How do I install it" -> "Wait for a package to be made availible"
[18:16] <hydrogen> theres the answer
[18:16] <hydrogen> everyones happy
[18:16] <hydrogen> life goes on
[18:16] <hydrogen> you're still wron
[18:16] <hydrogen> g
[18:16] <hydrogen> !enter | hydrogen
[18:16] <re-align> Vermux, check your firefox settings (Edit > Preferences)
[18:16] <Arwen> hydrogen, no, you are
[18:16] <Arwen> that's the same as answering "how can I fill my gas tank" with "wait for some friendly guy to give you free gas"
[18:17] <Arwen> it's nice and all if it happens but that doesn't get him what he wants right now
[18:17] <hydrogen> no, its more like me responding "wait till you get to a gas pump"
[18:17] <Arwen> uh huh.... you know, for being all "free" and crap, I detect a lot of "you're not worthy, get lost" attitudes
[18:17] <Vermux> re-align: looks fine
[18:18] <hydrogen> right.. because trying to keep ones system in a sane condition is the same as being unworthy
[18:18] <re-align> Hmm. I dont run into that problem
[18:18] <hydrogen> you're logic is impeccable
[18:18] <hydrogen> and I can't spell, but that's okay
[18:18] <Arwen> your logic is "you can't handle it, bad things will happen, just have faith"
[18:19] <Arwen> rather than  "you can do it yourself and here are some hints or you can wait"
[18:19] <Arwen> you are HIDING options from him
[18:19] <hydrogen> No, my logic is "if you want to get into your house, wait for someone to unlock the door rather than busting out the sawzall and making a new hole"
[18:19] <re-align> Vermux, Dunno then, perhaps restart ffox.
[18:19] <Arwen> uh huh.. because if it's my house I don't have the right to do as I want with it?
[18:19] <NickPresta> Guys, relax. Both options have been presented to the person asking the question. He can either install it into /opt and be careful, although he may experience unforeseen problems, or he can wait for it to hit a repo. No need to argue over this...
[18:20] <Vermux> re-align: ok, thanks
[18:20] <Vermux> will do that
[18:20] <hydrogen> so are you by your wonderful logic arwen, another (equally viable) option would be to respond "Install windows xp and download it and run it there"
[18:20] <hydrogen> you didn't tell him that, omg u r hidin ze options
[18:20] <Arwen> yes it would, and depending on the situation, that may or may not be a viable answer
[18:20] <Arwen> and I would indeed recommend Windows if it were a *logical* solution to a problem
[18:21] <hydrogen> the point of this channel is not to give a huge array of possible solutions, but to provide the best solution
[18:21] <Arwen> who are you to decide what's the "best"?
[18:21] <Arwen> !best
[18:21] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, join #ubuntu-bots and ask there.
[18:21] <flaccid_> no such thing as a 'best' solution
[18:22] <hydrogen> there is such thing as a better solution
[18:22] <flaccid_> i mean for a stable OS, ubuntu is not the best decision, thats a fact
[18:22] <Arwen> anyway, we're scrolling the channel far too much, I'd be glad to debate elsewhere
[18:22] <flaccid_> a suitable solution is probably a better term
[18:22] <stdin> uh, the arguing should stop now
[18:23] <flaccid_> 'best practice' comes to mind here...
[18:29]  * Daisuke_Ido listens to the crickets
[18:29] <rami> everytime i open a window it freaking bongs every time! and i cant turn it off!
[18:29] <stond> what does it mean when your terminal says  cannot execute binary file
[18:30] <hydrogen> ..
[18:30] <rami> how can i turn it off?
[18:30] <flaccid_> bongs?
[18:30] <hydrogen> I want the crickets back.
[18:30] <rami> yeah, you know when you minimize a window
[18:30] <rami> it sounds
[18:30] <Erickj92> so Microsoft webcams arnt suported?
[18:30] <stond> what does it mean when your terminal says  cannot execute binary file
[18:30] <rami> and its VERY annoying!
[18:30] <Daisuke_Ido> Erickj92: is it on the supported hardware list?
[18:30] <flaccid_> rami: try running kmix and then turning off pc speaker
[18:31] <Daisuke_Ido> stond: it means you can't execute the binary file.
[18:31] <flaccid_> stond: what are you trying to execute?
[18:31] <Erickj92> Daisuke_Ido, i dont think so
[18:31] <stond> how do I fix it
[18:31] <flaccid_> we can help fix if we know what you are trying to do
[18:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Erickj92: then that may be a good sign that no, it isn't supported.  keep an eye on the forums to see if anyone has any luck with it though :)
[18:31] <rami> i want the conputer to chime when i turn it off or on, and thats it. turning off the pc speaker ruins everything
[18:32] <Daisuke_Ido> so change your notifications not to play a sound when minimizing or maximizing.
[18:32] <stond> I am trying to excute cisoplus a program for compressing and decompress PSP game isos
[18:32] <rami> i cant,
[18:32] <stdin> rami: have you looked in system settings? perhaps under notifications?
[18:32] <flaccid_> rami: if you have a soundcard then that shouldn't be a problem if your sound scheme is enabled in system settings
[18:33] <rami> it isnt in notifications.
[18:33] <rami> so i cant change.
[18:34] <stdin> so you've looked at the Even Source "The KDE Window Manager" settings?
[18:34] <flaccid_> a chime is usually a wave file played through the sound card. so pc speaker won't chime.
[18:34] <rami> i guess so.
[18:35] <flaccid_> they are defaults
[18:35] <stond> flaccid I am trying to exute two programe and I cant figure out why it aint working
[18:35] <flaccid_> stond: how are you executing them and what are they?
[18:35] <rami> i dont mean a chime. i mean whan you minimize a window, it kinda does a whistle sound
[18:35] <stdin> rami: I just told you where the setting for that is
[18:36] <stond> the programs are cisoplus and usbhostfs
[18:36] <rami> and stdin, i dont really know what youre saying means in swedish, could you please simplify?
[18:36] <flaccid_> rami: if its doing pc speaker on minimise and your soundcard driver is loaded then im not sure what could be the problem, but muting pc speaker in kmix can certainly help
[18:36] <stond> please understand I am a noob at all this to
[18:36] <frank_> stond: did you set the files as executable?
[18:36] <flaccid_> stond: how did you install these programs?
[18:37] <stond> They are executables thier icon is a gear
[18:37] <flaccid_> but how do you install them
[18:37] <stdin> rami: System Setting -> Notifications, choose The KDE Window Manager from the drop down list, disable the sound for "A window is maximised" and "A window is minimised"
[18:37] <flaccid_> !info cisoplus
[18:37] <flaccid_> !info usbhosfs
[18:37] <rami> thanks, i'll try
[18:37] <stond> what do you mean info
[18:38] <rami> there isnt such a thing in the drop list
[18:38] <flaccid_> stond: where did you get these programs from and how did you install them?
[18:38] <stond> do you what to know what folder I put them in
[18:38] <frank_> stond: in a shell   chmod +x filename
[18:38] <nicolas_> salut
[18:38] <frank_> stond: then ./filename  to execute
[18:38] <rami> if there was a remote thing like you get in MSN, you could step in and help....
[18:38] <stdin> rami: at the very top
[18:39] <ubotu> Package cisoplus does not exist in gutsy
[18:39] <flaccid_> the remote msn thing is insecure
[18:39] <ubotu> Package usbhosfs does not exist in gutsy
[18:39] <flaccid_> !software | rami
[18:39] <rami> THANKS AWFULLY!
[18:39] <flaccid_> can somebody fix ubotu??
[18:39] <stond> I got the programs from WWW.PSP-HACKS.COM
[18:39] <rami> you shouldnt download hacks for the
[18:39]  * flaccid_ goes to look
[18:40] <rami> PSP. you might brick it
[18:40] <nicolas_> il ya des francais ou pas
[18:40] <stdin> !fr | nicolas_
[18:40] <flaccid_> we don't support that rami
[18:40] <ubotu> rami: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[18:40] <stdin> ok, ubotu is just lagging a bit
[18:40] <rami> i said that he shouldnt
[18:41] <flaccid_> stdin: yeah i got banned from #ubuntu as a result of the lag
[18:41] <felixhummel> what is the simplest kde program for cutting jpeg images into smaller pieces (gimp is too heavyweight)?
[18:41] <stond> If i brick it I have a Pandora battery and a Magic Memorystick so unbricking is no problem i done bricked and unbricked atleast 4 times
[18:41] <ubotu> nicolas_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:41] <rami> well, thank you very much.
[18:41] <felixhummel> i scanned some old photos and just want to cut the page into smaller pieces...
[18:41] <rami> bye!
[18:41] <user5> in hardy 804 problem for amarok plugin mp3 no go
[18:41] <user5> someone helpme
[18:41] <stdin> !hardy | user5
[18:41] <frank_> stond: you have to set them as executable. either with chmod in a terminal as I said or right-click->Properties->Permissions
[18:42] <ubotu> user5: Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:42] <stdin> well, that's a lot of CAPS
[18:42] <user5> thank you
[18:43] <hydrogen> I'd like more caps please
[18:43] <hydrogen> caps means its srs
[18:43] <BluesKaj> user5, not sure about Hardy , but in Gutsy the pkg needed is libxine1-ffmpeg.
[18:43] <stond> after I do that then what do I do I put one in ?usr/bin/ and the other in /usr/local/bin
[18:43] <user5> is isntalled it si ok
[18:44] <user5> thank you
[18:44] <user5> bye
[18:44] <user5> gretting from italy
[18:44] <flaccid_> cia0 italia
[18:44] <flaccid_> :)
[18:44] <BluesKaj> user5, and maybe kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:44] <Adapter> guten abend , good evening
[18:45] <frank_> stond: no just run the programs from where they are in your home directory.  in a terminal   ./filename
[18:45] <BluesKaj> !hi | Adapter
[18:45] <ubotu> Adapter: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[18:46] <Adapter> hi ubotu
[18:46] <BluesKaj> Adapter, ubotu is a bot
[18:46] <stond> ok thank you
[18:46] <Adapter> !ubotu
[18:46] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[18:47] <Adapter> thx
[18:47] <stond> I will be back if i have anymore problems
[18:47] <Adapter> nice bot
[18:47] <flaccid_> except when there is lag. that got me banned from #ubuntu!
[18:47] <flaccid_> ah well
[18:48] <BluesKaj> Adapter,ubotu beats Mr. Roboto :)
[18:48] <Adapter> !nvidia
[18:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[18:49] <RobotGuy> What would cause Kubuntu to suddenly stop booting?  It was fine yesterday morning, but then later in the day it would not boot at all.
[18:49] <RobotGuy> Kubuntu just hangs at the loading screen.
[18:49] <flaccid_> RobotGuy: do you have an error or any other behaviour to report?
[18:49] <RobotGuy> No error.  It just hangs.
[18:49] <flaccid_> if you didn't do system changes, then there are some bugs
[18:50] <RobotGuy> I did not do any system changes between boots.
[18:50] <flaccid_> do you know how to go to grub and edit an entry, RobotGuy?
[18:50] <RobotGuy> I know how to get into Grub.
[18:50] <BluesKaj> RobotGuy, does cycle back to the login screen after logging in ?
[18:51] <RobotGuy> BluesKaj: I can not get to login.  I stated it hangs at the loading screen.
[18:51] <BluesKaj> ahh
[18:51] <flaccid_> RobotGuy: take out the quiet and splash options, then boot. then see where it hangs with which error
[18:51] <RobotGuy> Alright.
[18:51] <flaccid_> so thats 'e' then edit and take out those parms. then 'b' for boot
[18:52] <RobotGuy> Right.  I can load Knoppix and chroot into my system to make those changes.
[18:52] <flaccid_> thats irrelevant RobotGuy as youa re initing a dif operating system
[18:53] <flaccid_> the quiet and splash options will hide kernel and other output on init
[18:53] <Adapter> how can i install skype 2.0
[18:53] <flaccid_> thats where the error will be
[18:53] <Adapter> in hardz
[18:53] <Adapter> in hardy
[18:53] <flaccid_> !skype
[18:53] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[18:53] <Adapter> thx
[18:53] <flaccid_> !info skype
[18:53] <ubotu> Package skype does not exist in gutsy
[18:54] <flaccid_> hmmm
[18:54] <Pici> !skype
[18:54] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[18:54] <Erickj92> !msn
[18:54] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Client Kopete (http://kopete.kde.org) is supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC. See also !Pidgin
[18:54] <Erickj92> heh
[18:54] <flaccid_> hopefully that page is up to date Adapter
[18:54] <BluesKaj> skype does if the right repos are enabled
[18:55] <Adapter> >(
[18:55] <Adapter> must fix keyboard
[18:56] <teo--> how can i install .key file?
[18:56] <flaccid_> teo--: where is it from and what is it?
[18:56] <Adapter> :)
[18:57] <Adapter> now its good
[18:57] <flaccid_> cool
[18:57] <teo--> its a repository key.. for acer laptop for the wifi..
[18:57] <Adapter> hardy looks good
[18:58] <flaccid_> teo--: a repos key for what exactly
[18:58] <flaccid_> maybe ask acer?
[18:58] <teo--> ok
[18:58] <flaccid_> if its plain text, maybe its your wpa or wep key
[19:05] <Tetracomm> Hi.
[19:07] <giorgio> hi
[19:07] <flaccid_> Hi
[19:08] <Tetracomm> I want to upgrade to KDE 4 from 3.5 but it says I have the latest version, help?
[19:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> there is no upgrading from 3.5 to 4
[19:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> they're completely separate releases
[19:09] <Tetracomm> :(
[19:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> you will have to install kde4 alongside 3
[19:09] <Tetracomm> How can I switch?
[19:09] <Tetracomm> Ok.
[19:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> so you will actually have *both* if you decide (as many have) that you don't like 4
[19:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> i'll qualify that with a "for now" because 4.1 should be improving things greatly when it's released
[19:11] <noaXess> !java
[19:11] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[19:12] <Tetracomm> sudo apt-get install kde4?
[19:12] <frank_> !kde4
[19:12] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:13] <frank_> Tetracomm: actually kde 4.0.2 came out   http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php
[19:15] <frank_> ubotu, kde4 is KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:26] <user5> hi peoples
[19:27] <Zombocom> hello
[19:27] <user5> cciao
[19:28] <user5> hardy somebody?
[19:28] <user5> using hardy?
[19:28] <stdin> user5: you were told already, hardy help only in #ubuntu+1
[19:29] <sammy> why would ubuntu clobber my xorg.conf? I didn't update or re-install the xorg-xserver package. I specifically removed modelines above 1200x1024, and rebooted, and now they're back! but, somehow, it didn't reconfigure the file from scratch, because it didn't put back the 'virtual'line I removed
[19:29] <sammy> does kdm fool around with xorg.conf if something is screwy?
[19:30] <adz21c> sammy: not to my knowledge
[19:32] <sammy> adz21c: I didn't think so either. it made this huge 1600x1200 virtual screen, so I removed the did dpkg-reconfigure, to start from scratch, then removed the 'virtual'line, then removed all the mode lines above 1200x1024. I reboot, and voila, they're back! but the virtual line isn't there. I end up with an automatic 1600x1200 virtual desktop on top of the 1200x1024 mode I put first in my screen section
[19:32] <Vermux> sammy and susu
[19:32] <sammy> I know this sounds like an X problem, but X doesn't screw around with my xorg.conf by myself
[19:32] <sammy> erm s/myself/itself
[19:40] <marek_> siema
[19:43] <marek_> kebab?
[19:44] <sam_> yes?
[19:49] <Tetracomm> Why can't I just download and install one package?
[19:49] <Tetracomm> I'm having difficulty, could someone help me?
[19:50] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, what problem are you having?
[19:50] <leandogo> alguien que hable en español?
[19:50] <NickPresta> !es | leandogo
[19:50] <Tetracomm> I don't know how to install it from all those packages, they're confusing me, and the install FAQ on KDE's website doesn't wor.
[19:50] <Tetracomm> Help?
[19:50] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, what are you trying to install?
[19:51] <Tetracomm> KDE 4.
[19:52] <NickPresta> Are you using Gutsy (7.10) or Hardy (8.04)?
[19:54] <Erickj92> Tetracomm
[19:55] <Tetracomm> Yes, Erickj92?
[19:55] <Erickj92> gusty or hardy
[19:55] <Tetracomm> I'm using 7.10.
[19:55] <Tetracomm> Sorry.
[19:55] <Tetracomm> Gutsy.
[19:55] <Erickj92> ok
[19:56] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, do you know how to edit your sources.list?
[19:56] <Tetracomm> Yes.
[19:56] <Tetracomm> I haven't in a while, though.
[19:56] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, okay. You need to add, 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main' to your sources.list. You can do it easily via: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:57] <sui> hi
[19:57] <stdin> you can do it via adept too
[19:57] <Tetracomm> Thank you.
[19:57] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, once you have done that, run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kde4-core
[19:57] <Tetracomm> Adept? How?
[19:57] <Erickj92> Adept package manager
[19:57] <stdin> in adept: Adept > Manage Repositories
[19:57] <Erickj92> Kmenu--System--Adept Manager
[19:58] <Erickj92> then you need to go to the 3rd party tab
[19:58] <stdin> then click 'Add'
[19:58] <andy_> hi guys i have installed samba and it can see and send files to my laptop and mylaptop can see my linux box but when i try to open the file i shared it asks for a username and password can any one help
[19:58] <Erickj92> andy_, your username and pass you use for kubuntu?
[19:59] <andy_> tried that didn't work
[19:59] <Erickj92> does samba allow you to disable password protect?
[19:59] <stdin> andy_: put 'security = SHARE' under '[global]'
[19:59] <andy_> stdin: how?
[20:00] <stdin> edit the config file /etc/samba/smb.conf
[20:00] <andy_> cheers
[20:01] <andy_> stdin: where do i put in in there?
[20:01] <stdin> andy_: search for the word "security", it should be in there somewhere already
[20:03] <Tetracomm> Thank you, NickPresta. :)
[20:03] <jhutchins_wk> Use swat.
[20:03] <Tetracomm> It is working now.
[20:03] <noaXess> does anybody use kubuntu on a tabletpc?
[20:03] <NickPresta> Tetracomm, enjoy KDE 4.0.2
[20:03] <Tetracomm> Thank you to those who assisted me.
[20:03] <stdin> swat is a bit broken (and not well supported), but it can help
[20:03] <Tetracomm> I will.
[20:03] <rjune_> wouldn't smbpasswd -a work too?
[20:03] <Erickj92> NickPresta, is it possible to use KDE 4 and KDE 3.5 at the same time?
[20:04] <lextul> http://www.process-one.net/en/blogs/article/openaim_aol_is_opening_its_instant_messaging_protocol/
[20:04] <stdin> Erickj92: if you see the announcement page on kubuntu.org it shows you how to do that with Xephyr
[20:04] <NickPresta> Erickj92, you can use the 'xserver-xephyr' package and run 'Xephyr :1 & export DISPLAY=:1; xterm' and then run 'startkde' inside that Xerphy xterm.
[20:05] <Erickj92> ehh, then nvm
[20:05] <noaXess> Erickj92: yes it is :)
[20:05] <Erickj92> heh
[20:05] <Erickj92> is the new KDE 4 more stable?
[20:05] <noaXess> just select kde4 before login in
[20:05] <NickPresta> I would imagine so. It isn't any less stable at least :)
[20:05] <noaXess> Erickj92: it should
[20:07] <noaXess> somebody know anything about a handwriting recognition software for linux?
[20:07] <martijn81> are there any konqueror mouse gestures?
[20:07] <blaze_> anywone how can i fix the kopete msn error?
[20:08] <andy_> stdin: do i need to restart or anything?
[20:08] <stdin> andy_: yep, you need to restart or reload samba (try reloading it first): sudo /etc/init.d/samba reload
[20:09] <Ax-Ax> Is Kopete's MSN-code newer than Pidgin's?
[20:09] <andy_> stdin: brb
[20:09] <Erickj92> well im installing KDE4 now. i hope to be part of the bug reporting and such
[20:09] <LjL> !kde4 > Erickj92    (Erickj92, see the private message from Ubotu)
[20:10] <blaze_> anywone now a solution for kopete in kubuntu 7.10? i'm getting the same error when i try lounching msn
[20:10] <Erickj92> LjL, what was that for?
[20:10] <martijn81> msn works here with kopete-kde4 package
[20:10] <andy_> stdin: didn't work
[20:11] <stdin> andy_: still asking for a username/password?
[20:11] <blaze_> well mine isnt working
[20:11] <NickPresta> martijn81, Sort of. In System Settings > Accessibility > Input Actions > Gesture Settings, uncheck 'disable mouse gestures globally'. Then expand the Konqueror Gestures tree and see what the mouse gestures are.
[20:11] <LjL> Erickj92: well, to point you to the right channel for KDE4 discussion for starters. and also because in that channel's topic there is a pointer to another place where you can help being part of the bug reporting and such.
[20:11] <andy_> stdin: yes
[20:11] <blaze_> it gives an error
[20:11] <Erickj92> i se
[20:11] <Erickj92> see*
[20:11] <jhutchins_wk> LjL: KDE team is now rejecting bugs filed against 3.x.x as obsolete/eol.
[20:11] <stdin> andy_: can you post your /etc/samba/smb.conf to pastebin? (you can remove any bits you don't want me to see)
[20:12] <LjL> jhutchins_wk: thanks, you ruined my day
[20:12] <martijn81> NickPresta:  and in kde4?
[20:12] <LjL> !kde4
[20:12] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:13] <jhutchins_wk> LjL: Didn't make me reall happy either.
[20:13] <NickPresta> martijn81, I don't know. #kubuntu-kde4 should be able to help you.
[20:16] <Limbeaux> i am not so sure about this kde4   -->  right click on desktop has no option to create a new folder
[20:17] <LjL> that's because the desktop is not a folder in KDE4. anyway, #kubuntu-kde4
[20:17] <Limbeaux> oh ok.  hmm i typed mkdir /home/me/Desktop/foldername and it showed up
[20:18] <LjL> backwards compatibility
[20:18] <Limbeaux> hmmm ok
[20:18] <Limbeaux> I do have installed along side kde3
[20:19] <Tetracomm> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:19] <Tetracomm> Help?
[20:19] <Limbeaux> how do you select multiple files on the desktop?
[20:19] <Tetracomm> When installing kde4-core
[20:19] <LjL> !kde4 | Tetracomm
[20:19] <ubotu> Tetracomm: KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:20] <Tetracomm> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58520/plain/
[20:25] <Tetracomm> Hi.
[20:26] <Tetracomm> Synaptic now says that I have 8 broken packages on my system since I installed KDE 4.
[20:26] <Tetracomm> Help?
[20:26] <Erickj92> Teracomm, there is a special channel for KDE4 support
[20:26] <stdin> kde4 help in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:26] <Tetracomm> I tried to install KDE 4 with synaptic first and it didn't work properly, then I used aptitude to install it fully afterwards and now it just logs itself back out.
[20:28] <zimon> Tetracomm: aptitude install -f
[20:28] <NickPresta> zimon, the packages are currently broken
[20:29] <stdin> should be fixed soon though
[20:29] <zimon> oh .. sorry then
[20:30] <Tetracomm> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58521/plain/
[20:30] <Tetracomm> zimon
[20:31] <Tetracomm> It didn't work, help?
[20:32] <heath> i have an app stuck in limbo and can't get it out of apt-get... can anyone help
[20:34] <andy_> is there an issue copying files bigger than 4GB? to a external fat32 hard disk?
[20:34] <nosrednaekim> andy_: FAT does not support file that large
[20:35] <Erickj92> huh, i thought fat32 did
[20:35] <Erickj92> im out of date
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> don't think so
[20:36] <andy_> i thought fat 32 did as well
[20:36] <andy_> ok so what is best bet?
[20:37] <andy_> need a file system that windows can read and linux ntfs is a ball ache
[20:37] <stdin> use ext3, there's a windows driver for it
[20:37] <stdin> !ext3
[20:37] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[20:39] <andy_> that only says ext2
[20:39] <Erickj92> why dont my screenlets open back up after a restart?
[20:40] <m_tadeu> hi everyone
[20:40] <m_tadeu> apport is not working here....what can I do?
[20:41] <stdin> andy_: ext3 is ext2 with a journal, it's backwards compatible with 2
[20:42] <andy_> ok i formated it as ext3 using gparted as root now the hard disk has root only acsess how do i change it?
[20:43] <stdin> sudo chown <username>: /path/to/mountpoint
[20:47] <andy__> how long should it take to format a 40GB usb2 drive as ext3?
[20:48] <Thecks> andy__ you got a USB 2 port on your PC?
[20:48] <andy__> yes
[20:48] <phoenixz> With what application can I open microsoft project files?
[20:49] <Thecks> Depends the state of the HDD, speed of HDD
[20:49] <Thecks> Don't really see it taking longer than 10 minutes though
[20:49] <Thecks> Probably like 5
[20:49] <andy__> how do i change the write permissions on thedrive?
[20:49] <windvogel> quickformat it's about 20 sec
[20:50] <noaXess> !touchscreen
[20:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchscreen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:50] <stdin> phoenixz: try OpenOffice Presentation (ooimpress)
[20:50] <noaXess> !tabletpc
[20:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tabletpc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:51] <revgreendave> !gtk>=2
[20:51] <noaXess> no idea about linux and handwriting recognitio??
[20:51] <noaXess> i'm searching no one day about it.. but found nothing that fits what i need..
[20:52] <SpamInaCan> is there a macro program?
; Handwriting recognition comes to Linux | Geek.com:
[20:52] <noaXess> revgreendave: penreader is java based right?
[20:52] <revgreendave> http://www.claudio.ch/Linux/handwriting.html
[20:53] <revgreendave> probably
[20:53] <revgreendave> PenReader kernel is written in C++
[20:53] <noaXess> revgreendave: where is the download for linux?
[20:54] <revgreendave> i do not know that
[20:54] <revgreendave> !google penreader
[20:55] <SpamInaCan> !google Linux Macro Text
[20:55] <SpamInaCan> can someone help me find one (a working one.....)
[20:55] <stdin> there is no !google function of ubotu, go google yourself
[20:55] <revgreendave> [15:55] <goldeybot> revgreendave: Search took 0.19 seconds: Download PenReader – handwriting recognition for Tablet PC: <http://www.penreader.com/tablet-pc-software/PenReader/articles/Download_area_for_PenReader.html>; Download PenReader – handwriting recognition for Tablet PC: <http://www.penreader.com/tablet-pc-software/it/28-lingual/articles/Download_area_for_28-lingual.html>; PenReader 2005 Professional / free dow
[20:56] <tekteen> !google
[20:56] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[20:56] <stdin> please stop spamming the channel with that
[20:56] <SpamInaCan> i have been looking...
[20:56] <revgreendave> sorry... i took a chance to see,
[20:57] <revgreendave> i have it in two other networks
[20:57]  * revgreendave is spoiled and appologises
[20:57] <revgreendave> ;)
[20:58] <noaXess> revgreendave: sorry.. but this penreader is only a online demo..
[20:59] <heath> is there a way to remove an app from being install if it is failing?
[21:00] <revgreendave> using a terminal there should be.
[21:00] <revgreendave> i got to quit adept and start safe mode to install java
[21:01] <revgreendave> but i suck
[21:01] <revgreendave> actually
[21:01] <heath> I have a kernel upgrade that won't finish because grub is messed up and I just need to get it out of there
[21:01] <heath> atleast your honest
[21:02] <revgreendave> use your terminal
[21:02] <revgreendave> and try apt-get help
[21:02] <revgreendave> crap sudo apt-get help
[21:02] <revgreendave> -h
[21:02] <heath> I need to know the commands.. dpkg --configure -???
[21:02] <revgreendave> it will tell you
[21:02] <tekteen> -a
[21:03] <heath> the -a tries to repair the install and finish, but I need it to abort and forget it
[21:03] <tekteen> I do not think there is a way
[21:03] <tekteen> sorry, i don't know
[21:04] <heath> well that sucks...
[21:04] <heath> thanks for the help though
[21:05] <zimon> heath: what's the problem? you've interrupted the installation and now there's a half-installed package?
[21:06] <revgreendave> [16:01] <heath> I have a kernel upgrade that won't finish because grub is messed up and I just need to get it out of there
[21:09] <heath> zimon: that is correct
[21:09] <zimon> heath: have you tried dpkg --purge <kernel-package> ? only recommended if you have a working kernel installed
[21:09] <heath> I have a custom kernel that is working great I will give it a try
[21:11] <andy__> ok i gave up i formatted the drive as ntfs and used ntfs-3g and mounted it it is now copying fingers crossed
[21:11] <andy__> GB and counting
[21:11] <andy__> 1.9GB
[21:12] <SpeS> anyone with kubuntu gutsy and the KDE4 repo? upgrading has uninstalled mplayer... any solution for that? "mplayer-nogui: Depende: libungif4g (>= 4.1.4) pero no va a instalarse"
[21:12] <stdin> ntfs support (even with -3g) isn't perfect, make sure you have backups of important stuff
[21:12] <heath> zimon: is there a way to resolve depends with a purge?
[21:12] <tekteen> SpeS: kde4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:12] <andy__> this is only a errr legal movie i downloaded
[21:12] <SpeS> tekteen, ok sorry :)
[21:12] <tekteen> np
[21:13] <stdin> SpeS: update you're repositories, that was fixed hours ago
[21:13] <zimon> heath: if you have broken dependencies run aptitude install -f
[21:13] <MurielGodoi> Hi all, anyone got "1164:0601 YUAN High-Tech Development Co., Ltd" HP Analog TV Tuner working under linux?
[21:13] <andy__> mmmm HD movie
[21:13] <revgreendave> i had kde4 installed and the plasma work crashed
[21:13] <coggz> hey all
[21:13] <andy__> i am leaving kde4 for a while it has potential but IT'S A S READY AS VISTA AT THE MOMENT
[21:14] <stdin> !caps | andy__
[21:14] <ubotu> andy__: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[21:14] <andy__> sorry hit Caps by mistake
[21:14] <andy__> !sorry
[21:14] <ubotu> It's ok, I can't stay mad at you.
[21:14] <SpeS> stdin, here the problem persist an update :(
[21:14] <andy__> 4.1 GB woohoo
[21:15] <stdin> SpeS: what does "apt-cache policy kdelibs5" say? (use pastebin)
[21:15] <heath> no matter what I do it tries to run grub which will fail and then get stuck
[21:16] <zimon> heath: you couldn't even remove the package?
[21:16] <SpeS> Instalados: 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1
[21:16] <SpeS>   Candidato: 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa2
[21:16] <SpeS> ...
[21:16] <SpeS> oh, pastebin, sorry again :$
[21:16] <heath> no... it just keeps yeeling at me about depends
[21:17] <zimon> could you paste the output?
[21:18] <SpeS> stdin, http://pastebin.com/m43c43ac7
[21:18] <SpeS> BTW it's in spanish :)
[21:19] <heath> zimon: i'm trying but pastebin is acting up
[21:19] <andy__> will ext2 handle 4gb
[21:20] <zimon> heath: try something else, like http://paste2.org/
[21:20] <stdin> andy__: it'll handle that and more
[21:20] <heath> zimon: http://pastebin.org/22534
[21:20] <andrea_> ciao a tutti
[21:20] <ste> ciao
[21:20] <SpeS> should apt-get upgrade the "ppa1"--->"ppa2"??
[21:20] <stdin> SpeS: post what "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to do
[21:20] <ste> non riesco a connettere kopete come faccio?
[21:20] <andrea_> qualcuno e di venezia?
[21:21] <stdin> !it
[21:21] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[21:21] <ste> ok
[21:21] <SpeS> stdin, Los siguientes paquetes se han retenido:
[21:21] <SpeS>   kde4libs-bin kdelibs5 klipper-kde4 kwin-kde4 systemsettings-kde4
[21:21] <SpeS> those packages are "retenidos", don't know the translation, "kept"?
[21:22] <zimon> heath: it's not removed because dkms depends on it. do you need dkms? i don't know what's that for, i don't have it
[21:22] <SpeS> stdin, shouldn't dist-upgrade force all the packages to upgrade?
[21:22] <ScorpKing> heath: i usually do sudo aptitude safe-upgrade.
[21:23] <andy__> thanks again for your help all
[21:23] <heath> zimon: Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS)
[21:23] <zimon> heath: yeah, i found that. but i still don't know what it's for :-)
[21:23] <Tetracomm> stdin?
[21:24] <heath> zimon: http://linux.dell.com/projects.shtml#dkms
[21:24] <SpeS> stdin, http://pastebin.com/m7a3d2a42
[21:25] <stdin> SpeS: post to pastebin what "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" does
[21:25] <stdin> Tetracomm: ?
[21:25] <heath> zimon: I'm just going to remove it and then put it back
[21:25] <Tetracomm> I no longer see any broken packages, but kde4 still logs out right after logging in, help?
[21:25] <heath> .... hopefully
[21:26] <zimon> heath: right .. maybe you should use aptitude purge linux-image-... instead, this way the dependencies are removed automatically
[21:26] <stdin> Tetracomm: try with Xephyr, see if any errors show
[21:27] <heath> zimon: that did it.... now lets see if I can put dkms back??
[21:27] <zimon> heath: maybe you don't need it at all
[21:27] <Tetracomm> I don't think xephyr is installed.
[21:27] <heath> zimon: I don't think I do... Everything is based around that kernel
[21:28] <SpeS> stdin, yes, it seems to do an autoclean too, and reinstall those packages! :D I thought aptitude was only the same than apt-get! :D
[21:28] <heath> zimon: thanks abunch for your help. I was pulling my hair out
[21:28] <SpeS> stdin, http://pastebin.com/d5f4809f7
[21:28] <SpeS> stdin, thanks! :)
[21:28] <stond> does anybody know how to use ciso
[21:28] <zimon> heath: the working kernel you have ... that's a custom built?
[21:28] <heath> 2.6.24.3
[21:29] <zimon> heath: did you use the ubuntu config?
[21:29] <stdin> SpeS: just do I understand ;) that says it's going to install libungif4g too yes?
[21:29] <SpeS> stdin, yes, it reinstall that package, so I could install again mplayer... and also removes unneeded packages (auto-clean)
[21:29] <heath> zimon: I used http://www.linuxforums.org/desktop/the_newbies_guide_to_compiling_your_first_kernel.html
[21:30] <stdin> SpeS: ok, all good then :)
[21:30] <heath> zimon: with some mods
[21:30] <SpeS> I'll read about aptitude...
[21:30] <stdin> !aptitude | SpeS
[21:30] <ubotu> SpeS: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[21:30] <Tetracomm> stdin: How do I get xephyr?
[21:31] <stdin> Tetracomm: sudo apt-get install xserver-xephyr
[21:31] <heath> zimon if you are interested check this out....
[21:31] <zimon> heath: alright .. maybe you should reinstall dkms then, although i don't think it's required
[21:31] <stond> does anybody know how to use ciso
[21:31] <Tetracomm> stdin: It said package not found.
[21:31] <heath> zimon: i'm not going to
[21:32] <heath> zimon: if I have problems I know where it came from....
[21:32] <heath> zimon: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=623874&highlight=compile+gutsy+kernel
[21:32] <stdin> Tetracomm: you sure?
[21:32] <stdin> !info xserver-xephyr
[21:32] <ubotu> xserver-xephyr (source: xorg-server): Next Generation Nested X Server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8.3 (gutsy), package size 1550 kB, installed size 3884 kB
[21:32] <stond> does anybody know how to use ciso
[21:33] <zimon> heath: i'm already running a custom 2.6.24.2 .. but i didn't take the ubuntu-config, cause that will create a generic kernel that's way too large
[21:34] <stond> does anybody know how to use ciso
[21:36] <ScorpKing> !repeat | stond
[21:36] <ubotu> stond: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[21:39] <Tetracomm> stdin: Yes.
[21:39] <Tetracomm> Stdin: Sorry, I mistyped it.
[21:39] <revgreendave> i am running dapper.. i upgraded to kde4 but that was bad,, so question is gutsy stable?
[21:40] <stdin> revgreendave: gutsy is the latest stable, yes
[21:40] <revgreendave> no other way to upgrade but with a cd is there?
[21:41] <Tetracomm> stdin: The xephyr command still doesn't work, how do I open it?
[21:41] <stdin> !upgrade | revgreendave
[21:41] <ubotu> revgreendave: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:41] <revgreendave> danks
[21:42] <heath> zimon: what do you think about that zen kernel?
[21:42] <stdin> Tetracomm: case sensitive, "Xephyr :1" then do "DISPLAY=:1 xterm" then you can start kde with "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde" inside the X window
[21:42] <deflex> hi everyone
[21:42] <Daisuke_Ido> currently updating to kde 4.0.2...  we'll see what it's like
[21:42] <Daisuke_Ido> i really dislike not being able to do anything with the panel
[21:43] <zimon> heath: i don't know it
[21:43] <Tetracomm> stdin: It won't let me type anything after Xephyr :1
[21:44] <Tetracomm> A window is up now.
[21:44] <stdin> Tetracomm: then just start a new terminal or close the window and use "Xephyr :1 &"
[21:44] <heath> zimon: do you think u could help me get sound?
[21:45] <zimon> heath: lspci |grep -i audio and cat /proc/asound/card*/codec* | grep -i codec will tell you which driver you have to configure
[21:46] <deflex> hi everyone, i have a question about kubuntu, i have an inspiron 1420 and i was wondering how kubuntu manages the multimedia keys of this laptop. It's a daemon? anyone?
[21:47] <Tetracomm> stdin: I don't understand.
[21:47] <heath> zimon: I do not have a /proc/asound
[21:48] <stdin> Tetracomm: just start another terminal and put other command in that one
[21:48] <zimon> deflex: there's the kmilo daemon that should detect most of the multimedia keys
[21:48] <Tetracomm> stdin: That doesn't work either.
[21:48] <Tetracomm> Ok.
[21:48] <deflex> zimon, bingo, thanks
[21:48] <Tetracomm> I did that now. stdin.
[21:49] <Tetracomm> stdin: What now?
[21:49] <stdin> then you can start kde with "/usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde" inside the X window, and see if any errors show up
[21:49] <zimon> heath: hm .. so there's no soundcard detected at all during boot .. that's weird
[21:49] <Tetracomm> I can only move the mouse in the X window...
[21:50] <Tetracomm> stdin: I can't do anything in that grey window.
[21:50] <zimon> heath: does lspci show an audio device?
[21:50] <stdin> Tetracomm: you put "DISPLAY=:1 xterm" in the 2nd terminal to open a shell in it
[21:51] <heath> zimon: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
[21:51] <heath> zimon: and Audio device: Creative Labs SB X-Fi
[21:51] <zimon> heath: that's quite new .. what kernel are you running right now?
[21:51] <Tetracomm> Xlib: Connection to ":1.0" refused by server. stdin.
[21:51] <heath> 2.6.24.3
[21:52] <Tetracomm> No protocol specified
[21:52] <stdin> I don't know then, that same thing works here
[21:52] <Tetracomm> I'm using Konsole, btw.
[21:52] <zimon> heath: check your options in device drivers -> audio
[21:53] <heath> zimon: device drivers--?
[21:53] <zimon> heath: in the kernel config
[21:53] <heath> oh...
[21:54] <zimon> heath: it's device drivers -> sound .. not audio
[21:54] <deflex_> zimon, where can i configure kmilo? I have it installed but i can't find anything to configure
[21:54] <Tetracomm> Step by step.
[21:54] <Tetracomm> I typed Xephyr :1 in the first window.
[21:55] <Tetracomm> It opened the X window.
[21:55] <Tetracomm> Then I opened another terminal and typed DISPLAY=:1 xterm
[21:55] <Tetracomm> Is that right?
[21:55] <zimon> deflex_: i don't know how to configure it ... but it should work out of the box .. at least for the most common keys like volume, play, mute, pause etc
[21:56] <heath> zimon: there was an intel hd audio, but it was not checked when I configure this kernel... is there a way to patch or do I have to make a new
[21:58] <zimon> heath: i think you have to rebuild the whole kernel, as a single ubuntu-package is built during the make-kpkg process .. but i'm not sure
[21:58] <Tetracomm> stdin?
[21:59] <heath> zimon: i think you are right... here goes nothing... good thing the cpu is quad core
[21:59] <zimon> heath: also, you need drivers for your soundblaster, if you want to use it
[22:00] <mikademus_> Hi folks. Be kind to a newbie, please. Are there any upgrade packages (or similar) for Kubuntu to kernel v 2.6.24.x?
[22:00] <stdin> Tetracomm: sorry, I have to go away for a while, family stuff. I'm sure someone else here or in #kde can help
[22:00] <heath> zimon: I'm pretty sure that card will not be supported... it is VERY new and only half way supported in Windows
[22:00] <zimon> heath: ok :-)
[22:01] <zimon> mikademus_: no
[22:03] <mikademus_> zimon, ok, that was a concise answer :p So, is it problematic to upgrade the kernel?
[22:04] <zimon> mikademus_: that depends on how well you know your hardware
[22:04] <Daisuke_Ido> mikademus_: if you want to move to the next stable kernel release (ie. 2.6.24), you'll want to wait for hardy, as that is the default kernel there.
[22:04] <Daisuke_Ido> unless, as zimon says, you *really* know what you're doing
[22:05] <zimon> heath: if you want make to use all of your cores, run "export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=5" before starting the build process
[22:07] <heath> zimon: cool... do you normally have to run make modules_install as a superuser
[22:07] <zimon> heath: with the ubuntu way you create a .deb that's installed with dpkg -i ... that will install the kernel image and the modules
[22:08] <zimon> heath: i.e., you don't run modules_install at all
[22:11] <Tetracomm> Ok.
[22:11] <Tetracomm> :(
[22:11] <Tetracomm> stdin: Do you think that uninstalling both KDEs will help?
[22:12] <mikademus_> SOrry for delay, Sinefelt (sp?) was on. Well, I know my hardware pretty well. I build a kernel (my first ever) a couple of days ago, and it worked. But it wasn`t very stable though and the boot was slow due to issues
[22:13] <zimon> mikademus_: it wasn't stable but it worked? :-)
[22:14] <mikademus_> hehe, yeah, define "working", i know I know... :p But give me a break, it was my second day ever on Linux
[22:14] <mikademus_> and the OS ran
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> mikademus_: thats pretty amazin ;)
[22:15] <ryanakca> mikademus_: most people don't build a kernel... ever
[22:15] <zimon> mikademus_: well, i think no one has ever managed to build a working kernel on the first attempt ..
[22:16] <zimon> mikademus_: do you still have the config that you created?
[22:16] <ryanakca> well, other than those who are kernel developpers, the really geeky ones... and the insane ones :)
[22:16] <mikademus_> You know, I have no idea what so ever if you are ironic right now... I live in this perhaps incredibly naive conception where the Linux kingdom is populated bu Ents with magic in their fingers
[22:17] <mikademus_> Ehrm, well, no, that was about three different distros since. Thank the not Divine Gygax for rewritable DVDs
[22:18] <mikademus_> But basically, I downloaded the 2.6.25-3 source, ran ./configuire I think, make install, answered a boatload of questions about my hardware, spend five hours scuouring the net, then spent five hours learning about mkinitrd or whatever it is called...
[22:18] <mikademus_> but I had great fun!
[22:18] <mikademus_> 2.6.24-3
[22:18] <zimon> mikademus_: ah .. ok. there are several howtos on compiling a kernel for ubuntu using make-kpkg, and the latest 2.6.24 is very stable .. so have fun
[22:19] <zimon> mikademus_: but other than all those howtos i don't recommend using the ubuntu config as a start, cause what's the point in building a custom generic kernel?
[22:20] <mikademus_> zimon, well, for me, the only reason is really because 2.6.24.x is the first that has built-in support for my MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, the best keybaord ever made, even though it is a MS product.
[22:22] <zimon> mikademus_: why does it need a driver?
[22:23] <mikademus_> It has a non-standard (jap) layout, with additional meta keys, and bracket keys in unorthodox places
[22:26] <mikademus_> Hmm, re-reading the comments above, I realise you were serious? That it is uncommon to build your own kernels, and that it is difficult to get them to work at all?
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> mikademus_: yeah :)
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> mikademus_: at least for new users
[22:28] <zimon> mikademus_: it's not difficult. you just have to be patient and eliminate the errors one by one
[22:28] <mikademus_> I feel I have much to learn, this is actually a bit disconcerting, the feeling of not really knowing anything... Well, if so, thanks for the compliments (or congratulations on my good fortune?) you gave!
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> noth i'd say
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> *both
[22:31] <mikademus_> Btw, is chatting ok in this channel, or am I creating noise?
[22:31] <Daisuke_Ido> !offtopic | mikademus_, usually we go here
[22:31] <ubotu> mikademus_, usually we go here: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:36] <mikademus_> zimon, so the general procedure is to save the config script, and toggle suspect parameters, recompile, remake the initrd image, update grub, reboot and pray?
[22:38] <zimon> mikademus_: right .. except that the proper way with ubuntu would be using make-kpkg ... that'll create a debian package which is installed with dpkg -i
[22:39] <mikademus_> Ah, ok. But it is still as time consuming?
[22:39] <zimon> mikademus_: it's a lot more time consuming :-)
[22:39] <mikademus_> lol
[22:39] <heath> zimon: I can't use the ubuntu packaged kernel
[22:40] <heath> zimon: I have a fake raid setup and the grub part fails... that's how I got hung up in the first place
[22:40] <zimon> mikademus_: but it's simple. you just do make-kpkg & dpkg -i ... you don't need to update grub manually, you don't need to make modules_install, you don't need to build the initrd ..
[22:41] <zimon> heath: i don't know anything about raid setups and how grub needs to be configured for that .. sorry
[22:41] <mikademus_> So, beyond perhaps relatively little to gain from it, it there some reason why not to make a custom kernel for Kubuntu; if I make it with make-kpkg it will be fully conforming with (k)ubuntu?
[22:42] <heath> I got the config... but can I use an ubuntu style kernel without it running grub at the end??
[22:42] <zimon> mikademus_: yes it will. here's a nice howto: http://symbolik.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/vanilla-kernel-26231-on-gutsy-gibbon/
[22:42] <mikademus_> Aah, thanks! Great!
[22:44] <zimon> heath: i don't know .. what does dpkg -l | grep your-linux-image say?
[22:50] <mikademus_> But it has been a strange journey. With Vista I decided I fas finally fed up with Windows and wanted to try out Linux seriously. So I started with Kubuntu, then some ten or fifteen other distors, some great, but all with more or less severe drawbacks, and I find myself back at Kubuntu...
[22:50] <noaXess> is it possible to start a virtual keyboard, eg. kvkbd before any user logs into kde?
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> you mean for the loginmanager?
[22:51] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: jep.. cause its a touchscreen nd users have only a pen
[22:52] <Gutsy_Gibbon> How can i uninstall KDE 4.0.2 from my Kubuntu 7.10?
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: nasty... not sure...
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> Gutsy_Gibbon: uninstall att the packages with -kde4 int he name
[22:53] <santy> hi can anyone tell me what is the spanish channel?
[22:54] <santy> hola?
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> !es
[22:54] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:58] <moope1> how do i make a script so I can double click on it to execute?
[22:58] <zimon> moope1: make it executable
[22:58] <zimon> moope1: chmod +x file
[22:58] <Gimpy_Gnome> or
[22:59] <Gimpy_Gnome> if you happen to like pretty guis
[22:59] <moope1> zimon: it is executable
[22:59] <Gimpy_Gnome> right click on the script
[22:59] <Gimpy_Gnome> check executable
[22:59] <moope1> I use it every day, but when I try to double click it itopens it in kate
[22:59] <zimon> moope1: the first line must say #! /bin/bash (if it's a bash script)
[23:00] <twosouls82> why is kwriteconfig missing from 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1 ?
[23:00] <twosouls82> kdebase-bin
[23:01] <moope1> zimon: it does
[23:01] <moope1> :)
[23:02] <moope1> zimon: I mean, it does have the #! /bin/bash
[23:04] <zimon> moope1: that's weird ...
[23:08] <twosouls82> hmmzz, bot kreadconfig and kwriteconfig are missing in the 3.kdebase-bin 5.9 ppa package, their manpages are in the package though
[23:09] <twosouls82> s/bot/both/
[23:11] <root______> hola
[23:11] <root______> a todos
[23:11] <nosrednaekim> !es
[23:11] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:11] <root______> q es esto como descargo msn
[23:11] <root______> no se puede instalar
[23:12] <zimon> moope1: i have no idea ... it should be working. and i don't find an option in the konqueror config that says "open with editor instead of execute" or something ..
[23:12] <root______> ummmmmmmmmmmmm aqui no  hay nadie?????????????????????''
[23:13] <BluesKaj> !es | root___
[23:13] <zimon> moope1: maybe you didn't give yourself execute right? what does ll <script> say?
[23:13] <ubotu> root___: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[23:13] <root______> o dios alguien contesteeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[23:13] <root______> como intalo msn o ares
[23:14] <BluesKaj> idiot is both languages :)
[23:14] <BluesKaj> in
[23:14] <nosrednaekim> how true :)
[23:21] <santy> hi all
[23:22] <santy> i need some help installing kubuntu
[23:22] <santy> this is my first time on linux
[23:22] <jussi01> santy: ask :)
[23:24] <santy> anthanx jussie
[23:25] <santy> i'm trying to install kubuntu 7.10
[23:25] <santy> but i got a problem with the partition of the disk
[23:25] <santy> it's now crashed
[23:27] <karthikp> Like hard disk failure?
[23:29] <santy> no. it just stopped running. and which is worst i can't shut it off
[23:29] <Sakkath> i have a microsoft usb wireless mouse taht has worked on every distro of linux i've tried so far.... but it doesn't work on kubuntu! lsusb shows it, and it's def not the port since it lights up (the receiver). also i can't find gpm? it says something refers to it but it has no candidates (apt-get install gpm)
[23:33] <Sakkath> i have a microsoft usb wireless mouse taht has worked on every distro of linux i've tried so far.... but it doesn't work on kubuntu! lsusb shows it, and it's def not the port since it lights up (the receiver). also i can't find gpm? it says something refers to it but it has no candidates (apt-get install gpm)
[23:37] <arno_eagleeyes> good evening
[23:45] <cheeby> hi.  running hardy.  where is mysql-server?
[23:47] <kilrae_> kubuntu.org says 4.0.2 is available, but i still only see 4.0.1
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> cheeby- I would assume it's still mysql-server and/or mysql-server-5.0
[23:47] <Dragnslcr> cheeby- #ubuntu+1 would be more helpful
[23:48] <tlayton> cheeby: i have 5.0.51a installed from hardy
[23:51] <kilrae_> ah, the other packages are upgraded, but they didn't change the version of kde4-core
[23:55] <Tann> Where are the configuration files for alsa-base?
[23:59]  * genii sips some coffee