[09:53] <blizzzek> hi
[09:53] <blizzzek>  can i search in lauchnpad for apps written in a specific language (py e.g. :D)
[09:56] <tbf> how do i tell launchpad to reimport my OpenPGP key?
[09:56] <tbf> when i enter its fingerprint on https://launchpad.net/~mathias-hasselmann/+editpgpkeys it just tells me to already have that key
[09:57] <stdin> just export your key to a keyserver (I use keyserver.ubuntu.com)
[09:58] <carlos> morning
[10:00] <tbf> stdin: ah, ok. - guess that server should be listed in seahorse
[10:02] <tbf> stdin: hey, that worked! thanks alot!
[10:02] <stdin> :)
[10:03] <tbf> stdin: maybe that launchpad page should tell, that keyserver.ubuntu.com allows uploads
[10:04] <stdin> all keyservers do (or should), all they all update from each other
[10:48] <tbf> how would i setup a local variant of https://launchpad.net/+builds?
[10:49] <tbf> it just takes too long, until packages are accepted/build/rejected
[10:49] <tbf> well, it kind of sucks, that you cannot overwrite failed packages
[10:55] <tbf> interesting: 0.2.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1 <= 0.2.2-0ubuntu1
[10:57] <Fujitsu> tbf: It takes all of 5 minutes to accept the packages, and then no more than a few minutes after that to build it...
[10:57] <Fujitsu> Why are you wanting to overwrite them?
[10:57] <Fujitsu> And that is the entire point of ~
[11:07] <tbf> Fujitsu: that i cannot use them to increase the package version for ppa?
[11:07] <tbf> Rejected:
[11:07] <tbf> MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive
[11:07] <tbf> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[11:07] <tbf> gnome-lirc-properties_0.2.2-0ubuntu1~ppa2.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 0.2.2-0ubuntu1~ppa2 <= 0.2.2-0ubuntu1 
[11:08] <tbf> Fujitsu: and i also cannot switch to 0.2.2-0ubuntu2, since the MOTU guys will kill me then
[11:09] <tbf> Fujitsu: so i do i replace 0.2.2-0ubuntu1,without creating 0.2.2-0ubuntu2, which will not be accepted by the motu team
[11:12] <Fujitsu> tbf: How long have you been waiting for it to bre removed?
[11:13] <tbf> Fujitsu: last time i tried it wasn't gone after 30 min, and it was told, that removal is done by a daily cron job
[11:14] <Fujitsu> You should be able to upload something lower than something that you've deleted within 20 minutes, I think.
[11:21] <Hobbsee> tbf: use 0.2.2-0ubuntu2~ppa1
[11:22] <Hobbsee> or 0.2.2-0ubuntu1+ppa1
[11:29] <tbf> Hobbsee: ah, plus. let's see
[11:59] <tbf> Fujitsu, Hobbsee: ok, worked
[11:59] <Hobbsee> oh good
[12:03] <tbf> but now i wonder, why ppa doesn't install lirc before building the package...
[12:03] <tbf> ...lirc is listed as dependency
[12:03] <Fujitsu> tbf: Because you didn't specify it in the Build-Depends.
[12:04] <tbf> Fujitsu: depends and build-depends aren't merged?
[12:04] <Fujitsu> They're completely different, so I'd hope not.
[12:04] <Fujitsu> Depends are runtime dependencies. Build-Depends are... build dependencies.
[12:06] <tbf> Fujitsu: that's weired. how can runtime dependencies not be part of the build dependencies?
[12:06] <Fujitsu> Why would they be?
[12:06] <Fujitsu> I don't need to run the program to build it.
[12:06] <Fujitsu> Dependencies are also normally largely automatically generated by the build.
[12:08] <tbf> well, how to build a program without it's runtime librararies installed...
[12:08] <Fujitsu> It depends on the program.
[12:08] <tbf> ...seems the need add -dev packages for getting header files hide that detail for me so far...
[12:09] <tbf> ...since the -dev packages also pull in the runtime libs
[12:09] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[12:09] <tbf> Fujitsu: well. debian-typical overdesign
[12:09] <Fujitsu> Er, how!?
[12:09] <tbf> have to remember this.
[12:09] <Fujitsu> What's overdesigned?
[12:09] <tbf> this separatation
[12:09] <tbf> i won't change it.
[12:09] <Fujitsu> cprov: PPA publisher cycles seem really slow now it takes like 5 minutes to get things built :(
[12:10] <Fujitsu> Why shouldn't they be separated?
[12:10] <tbf> so i'll accept that weirdness, without further thinking about it
[12:10] <tbf> Fujitsu: cause separating them breaks configure scripts for instance...
[12:10] <tbf> Fujitsu: at least in my special case.
[12:10] <Fujitsu> No, you not specifying the build dependencies breaks them.
[12:11] <tbf> Fujitsu: i have to figure out now, if i want to relax the configure script, or if i want to add lirc to build-depends and depends
[12:11] <Fujitsu> I don't need a bazillion and three X packages to build my Python package, though it may need them at runtime.
[12:11] <Fujitsu> tbf: That's correct.
[12:11] <cprov> Fujitsu: what ?!
[12:12] <cprov> do you mean PPA build cycle (due to the chroot upgrade) ?
[12:12] <Fujitsu> No, publishing.
[12:12] <cprov> Fujitsu: how do you know ? 
[12:13] <Fujitsu> Every 20 minutes is now really long compared to everything else. YOu made it all too fast!
[12:13] <cprov> Fujitsu: as far as I'm concerned the publishing cycle is taking 58 seconds and that's not slow
[12:13] <Fujitsu> I mean how long it appears to take, which is 20 minutes.
[12:13] <Fujitsu> Is it not?
[12:13] <cprov> Fujitsu: ahh, you mean the frequency is low 
[12:14] <cprov> Fujitsu: I can do some experiments with 15 or 10 minutes cycle
[12:14] <tbf> those pages update automatically? https://launchpad.net/+builds/iridium
[12:15] <cprov> Fujitsu: as I said, the publisher takes 1 minute to run (in average)
[12:15] <Fujitsu> cprov: That's not bad. A 20 minute frequency used to be great until 1.2.2, when it took an hour or two to get things built anyway.
[12:18] <cprov> Fujitsu: I will test other times by the end of the week
[12:19] <Fujitsu> cprov: That'd be great! PPA is a whole lot more usable of late, and that would make it that much nicer.
[12:19] <cprov> cool
[12:21] <tbf> cool. built finally succeeded.
[15:02] <TomaszD> carlos, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/seahorse/+imports is the .pot file being regenerated on build time? How do you check this so that I don't have to bother you each time?
[15:03] <carlos> TomaszD: unfortunately, you need extra permissions to see that information...
[15:03] <TomaszD> carlos, I seem to recall that the build logs were available somewhere before
[15:03] <TomaszD> carlos, anyway, should I file a bug against seahorse or is everything fine?
[15:04] <carlos> TomaszD: hmm, buildlogs may be another way to check it, yes
[15:04] <carlos> TomaszD: it should be available from launchpad too
[15:04] <carlos> but I check a timestamp from where was last updated the template
[15:04] <carlos> which is faster for me
[15:05] <TomaszD> found the build log, but I don't know what keywords to look for
[15:05] <carlos> TomaszD: 2008-02-26 16:50:00.520550+00:00
[15:05] <carlos> that's last update for the template
[15:06] <carlos> TomaszD: look for 'template'
[15:06] <carlos> or '.pot'
[15:06] <carlos> TomaszD: give me the URL and I tell you the exact text to look for
[15:06] <TomaszD> ok so it seems everything is correct I guess
[15:06] <TomaszD> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12231672/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.seahorse_2.21.92-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[15:08] <TomaszD> also, I'm waiting for a user upload to go through for four hours now (909 strings, brasero, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/brasero/+imports ), should I start worrying? :]
[15:08] <TomaszD> I know it used to take a week
[15:14] <TomaszD> carlos, are language pack uploads predictable? is there a repo with daily uploads?
[15:15] <carlos> TomaszD: it should not take a week...
[15:15] <carlos> TomaszD: yeah, pitti's ppa
[15:15] <TomaszD> oh cool thanks
[15:16] <TomaszD> hmm nope, pitti's ppa doesn't have them
[15:18] <carlos> TomaszD: then is better if you check with him
[15:18] <carlos> there is a ppa for it
[15:18] <TomaszD> ok
[15:24] <carlos> TomaszD: hmm, seems like I don't find an easy way to detect missing templates on the build log...
[15:24] <carlos> it used to be easy, so maybe I'm missing something. I tried to find it in totem, which we already detected that was not being generated...
[15:24] <TomaszD> nevermind, most apps look good, apart from totem
[15:24] <TomaszD> yes I've reported that, how are things looking for this package? any fix soon?
[15:28] <carlos> TomaszD: I'm not the one fixing it, that's a question for ubuntu developers...
[15:28] <TomaszD> oh ok, fine :]
[15:28] <TomaszD> I just hope they are aware of this, there are many bugs and this one can be easily missed
[15:37] <carlos> TomaszD: ok
[15:59]  * tbf wonders if ppa could be changed to give more immediate feedback about accepting packages...
[15:59] <tbf> (or rejection)
[15:59] <tbf> the mail round trip takes quite some time
[16:28] <tbf> "MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive
[16:28] <tbf> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification."
[16:28] <tbf> can i browse that archive somehow?
[16:48] <tbf> is it possible to extract the initially uploaded tarball from ppa?
[16:48] <tbf> i only see a tarball with patches applied
[17:49] <faulkes-> ok, if I've created a new project in LP, how do I go about getting code into the trunk? 
[17:51] <mooboo1> can i change priority on launchpad
[17:51] <mooboo1> so things get "low" ?
[17:59] <beuno> faulkes-, you would jus push it
[17:59] <beuno> is your code already in bzr?
[17:59] <faulkes-> no, the code is not already in bzr
[17:59] <faulkes-> new project, no code uploaded yet
[18:00] <beuno> faulkes-, https://help.launchpad.net/BzrHowto  might be a good start
[18:00] <faulkes-> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/michael/development/ubuntu-server/.bzr/branch/
[18:00] <beuno> faulkes-, do, you haven't versioned your code yet
[18:01] <faulkes-> I'll go through that url you listed, then come back if I have issues
[18:01] <beuno> go into the dir, and do:  bzr init; bzr add; bzr commit -m 'Project start'
[18:01] <faulkes-> thanks, sorry, new to using lp and bzr
[18:01] <beuno> (or something similar to that)
[18:01] <faulkes-> aye
[18:01] <beuno> faulkes-, no problem. If you run into bzr-specific issues, you can also drop by #bzr
[18:09] <ubotu> New bug: #198828 in launchpad "Upload project file with non-ascii character in the filename breaks the page" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198828
[18:50] <TomaszD> carlos, can you confirm this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/198851 ?
[18:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198851 in avahi ".pot file isn't generated on build time" [Undecided,New] 
[18:50] <carlos> let me see...
[18:53] <carlos> TomaszD: confirmed
[18:53] <TomaszD> carlos, ok
[19:15] <TomaszD> carlos, I don't know what to do, is this possible to do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/198851/comments/1 or do I have to make another bug report about that? It would be pointless I think, before a template is even available
[19:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198851 in avahi ".pot file isn't generated on build time" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[19:17] <carlos> TomaszD: well, that's indeed a different bug report...
[19:17] <carlos> so is better to file a new bug
[19:17] <TomaszD> carlos, fine, I'll do it
[19:17] <carlos> if it's fixed before the .pot file is regenerated, it will be there, otherwise... the translations will still be missing, file a new bug and mention it there
[19:21] <TomaszD> just did
[19:43] <Tonio_> not sure if it is the right place to talk about that, but I have a problem with my @ubuntu.com email address.....
[19:43] <Tonio_> none of the emails end in my mailbox, even if the smtp trace of the mail sending seems to work
[19:44] <Tonio_> mail accepted by mx.canonical.com
[19:44] <Tonio_> other ubuntu devs reports that it works for them...
[19:52] <andrea-bs> Tonio_: the ubuntu team didn't assign you a mailbox, but only a mail account which redirects to your e-mail address
[21:43] <HappyCamp> matsubara, ping
[21:44] <HappyCamp> matsubara, https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/196253  Do you know to bother about this bug?
[21:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [High,New] 
[21:44] <HappyCamp> s/know to/know who to/
[21:44] <matsubara> Hi HappyCamp 
[21:44] <HappyCamp> Hello :)
[21:46] <matsubara> HappyCamp: I'll raise it up during tomorrow's meeting. I'm afraid we don't have a workaround for it.
[21:47] <HappyCamp> Thanks matsubara 
[22:03] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[22:25] <jelmer> oh noes, I missed todays "good morning" !?
[22:27] <beuno> ^ 22 minutes up there
[23:41] <Ubulette> how points are attributed in "Top contributors" of a project page ?
[23:42] <Ubulette> I don't understand https://edge.launchpad.net/mozilla-devscripts
[23:43] <Ubulette> (based on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-devscripts/)