[00:00] is is just me or is network places broken again === marko-_-_ is now known as marko-_- === bmk789_ is now known as bmk789 === bmk789 is now known as ChuckNorris === ChuckNorris is now known as bmk789 [01:16] I have alpha 6 fever! :D [01:16] oooo [01:16] \o/ [01:17] i take it places/network is broken again [01:19] Ive not seen it work every... [01:19] ever. :) [01:19] i cant get the fusesmb thing working either. [01:20] it was working fine for me a few days ago then they had some nautilus and gvfs updates now it doesn't work again [01:22] I deleted some of my older vmlinuz & initrd.img stuff from /boot. I wasn't paying attention and I deleted my newest version as well. I have managed to get back initrd-image by uninstalling and reinstalling but which packages do I need to do to get the rest back? [01:27] is it worth the aggravation of install 64bit for a dual core duo? [01:28] lime4x4: Sorry; the best answer I can give with the current information is "maybe". [01:28] sorry for got the rest [01:28] Interesting context includes: how much RAM do you have? How much heavy processing work do you do? How much do you care about flash? [01:29] i do alot of video work converting avi's to dvd and graphic work [01:29] 4 gigs of ram [01:29] 64bit. [01:29] 4GB is the very limit of 32bit addressing, and you'll lose some to various memory-mapped devices. [01:30] flas would be nice i assume eventually it will be working [01:30] Also, x86-64 has fewer stupid design limitations than IA32, which means that a fair set of code runs significantly faster under x86-64 [01:31] Flash can work - we have a 32bit compatibility layer, and a 32-to-64 bit firefox plugin loader. But flash is less stable under 64bit, because of the extra layers. [01:32] okay maybe this weekend i'll have time to reinstall hardy 64 bit this weekend [01:33] I deleted some of my older vmlinuz & initrd.img stuff from /boot. I wasn't paying attention and I deleted my newest version as well. I have managed to get back initrd-image by uninstalling and reinstalling but which packages do I need to do to get the rest back? [01:33] one of the advantages of having /home on a seperate hard drive [01:34] hi - does anybody else here run hardy alpha and get the problem that the root user doesn't work anymore. sudo just kicks me back to command prompt [01:37] danage: nope [01:37] lime4x4, makes it much easier to reinstall the os - keeping the user data safe [01:37] sudo works here just fine [01:37] scizzo-: nope you dont run it or nope you dont have the problem [01:37] danage: probably not in the visudo file [01:37] lime4x4, i also find it faster. :) while running. [01:38] danage: nope as in no problem here with sudo [01:38] yeap just have to remember all the apps i had installed along with all the tweaks [01:38] are you on the latest updates [01:38] lime4x4, for a lot of video work. You may even benifit from haveing a data drive just for video work. [01:38] danage: yes [01:38] i just updated 5 min ago [01:38] darnit [01:38] i cannot sudo -s, or su [01:38] sudo will accept the pass, but kick me back to the shell without changing the user [01:38] su will tell me authetication failed [01:39] you have more then one user on the system? [01:39] Drwillis i do i have a seperate 160 gig sata drive that i use as /tmp [01:39] scizzo-: i have a user user and root, i suppose [01:39] danage: sanity-check: is the user in the admin group or explicitly given in sudoers? [01:40] i suppose the user is not in the admin group, since i need to type in root passwd for update manager (this is where i initially found out the problem existed) [01:40] danage: but is this a new user? [01:40] who? root or my user [01:40] danage: you can see what groups the user is in with: groups command [01:40] danage: no, you're misunderstanding. Please ensure that your user is in the admin group. [01:41] my user i have been using ever since i installed [01:41] dennis@Computer:/etc$ groups [01:41] dennis vboxusers [01:41] there you go. [01:41] right....its not a admin user [01:41] ok. [01:41] like crimsun_ said... [01:41] well, it never was [01:41] is that a problem? [01:42] if it's an *ubuntu install, that will prevent you from executing sudo successfully. [01:42] danage: for doing admin tasks yes [01:42] danage: to be able to run sudo stuff...the user needs sudo access or adm group access depending on the task [01:43] !sudo [01:43] sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. [01:43] hm, please help me here [01:43] why did it work before [01:43] and not anymore [01:43] is this a new user that you created (possibly in a VM)? [01:43] danage: changed user, groups changed, the user was removed and added again..various reasons [01:44] crimsun_: no but i added the vboxusers to his privileges [01:44] i might have overwritten something? [01:44] danage: well, something or someone removed your user from quite a few groups. [01:44] danage: with: usermod -G group or something simular? [01:44] yes [01:44] danage: man usermod [01:44] dammit [01:44] :) [01:44] danage: see what -G does [01:44] dammit [01:45] danage: it overwrites _ALL_ existing groups for that user [01:45] sh........... [01:45] what do i need to restore? [01:45] danage: its a "Know what you are doing" tag... ;) [01:45] i thought it would append [01:45] oh well [01:45] danage: hmmmm you have more users with sudo priviliges? [01:45] could you point me where i can read how to restore? [01:45] scizzo-: nope [01:46] oh oh [01:46] on a Debian-based system, please use adduser :) [01:46] adduser someuser somegroup [01:46] does that mean i'm.... in trouble? [01:46] danage: I think you can run a recovery mode to change the groups [01:46] dennis@Computer:/etc$ adduser dennis admin [01:46] adduser: Only root may add a user or group to the system. [01:46] (yes, it requires superuser privileges) [01:46] danage: or run it in single-user mode [01:47] d'oh [01:47] ok so in gdm, i select recovery [01:47] and then... [01:47] s#gdm#grub# [01:48] in the bash? [01:48] danage: in the grub menu..... [01:48] danage: that is the kernel choice menu [01:48] danage: then try to change the group from the recovery mode [01:49] danage: long time since I did a single user mode access to be honest [01:49] crimsun_: you know the single-user mode thingy? [01:49] ok [01:50] scizzo-: sure, what's up? [01:50] crimsun_: I mean how he can access it [01:50] sure, he needs to reboot and choose the recovery option in grub [01:50] ok [01:50] (rather, the topmost recovery one if he has multiple) [01:50] ok [01:51] that will give me a regular console [01:51] how do i restore the groups file? [01:51] you don't need to restore the groups file [01:51] just use: adduser dennis admin [01:52] then: logout [01:52] and it should continue booting normally [01:52] ok [01:52] after that, you can log in and readd yourself to the default set of groups [01:52] thanks [01:52] will try [01:53] i love hardy btw :) [01:53] you give me a hardy [01:53] Not sure if it's a Hardy's faulty, but my usb mouse isn't working. It shows on dmesg, though. [01:53] !language | knix [01:53] knix: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [01:54] will try now, later! [01:55] =( [02:04] i need some help. getting the gnome-settings-daemon error. how do i get this working? [02:05] any help? [02:13] Not sure if it's a Hardy's faulty, but my usb mouse isn't working. It shows on dmesg, though. [02:14] mouse not moving or something like that? [02:22] scizzo-, it's not moving the cursor at all. :P [02:22] scizzo-, i'm on a notebook, so I'm using a touchpad. [02:22] lunks: aaaa....so you want to be able to use 2 mice? [02:22] scizzo-, yeah [02:23] scizzo-, I've got 2 sections on my xorg.conf already, but probably I'm missing something [02:23] http://pastebin.ca/928423 [02:23] my xorg.conf [02:23] But look like it doesn't miss anything now, but it still won't work. [02:24] hi folks [02:24] lunks: try to use another protocol on the configured mouse [02:24] lunks: like "ImPS/2" [02:25] I just tried to reinstall hardy 5 but my CD-rom player just broke down [02:25] lunks: oo wait [02:25] is there a possibility to do a 'direct' net install ? === wastrel__ is now known as wastrel [02:26] AutoMatriX, have you tried unetbootin? [02:26] AutoMatriX, I dunno what version of hardy it'll install, though [02:28] lunks: it seems that most people are using /dev/psaux for the touchpad and /dev/input/mice for the configure mouse [02:29] I'll netbootin U! (joke.) [02:29] scizzo-, yeah, but would that work? [02:29] lunks: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=348115 [02:29] lunks: looks like a good testing guide [02:29] Or more like, net unetSPLITin. (bad joke.) [02:30] scizzo-, I'll try, thanks [02:31] scizzo-, looks good, indeed =D [02:31] lunks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/188351 [02:31] Launchpad bug 188351 in xorg "[Hardy] External mouse on laptop will only double-click" [High,Incomplete] [02:31] lunks: check that also [02:31] I've checked, that would not be it [02:31] lunks: might give some ideas of what might be wrong [02:31] scizzo-, But that howto looks like a great guess... I've googled for it and didn't find it [02:31] Hang on, I'll try and reply you with the result [02:32] Oh, another broken thing: udev. [02:32] err, evdev. [02:36] can one use the mini install.iso to install hardy ? [02:42] Gaack, what's with the beep on lid open and close? [02:45] ha [02:45] yes i have that [02:45] beep. BEEP. aagh. [02:45] any sugestions on debugging a system that freezes within a minute of booting to login console? [02:46] is it possible to install hardy, getting the latest packets from the net, instead of installing the cd and doing upgrades afterwards ? [02:46] you can upgrade from gusty [02:46] here's what I did about the beep: sudo chmod -v 000 /usr/share/gnome-power-manager/*lid* [02:46] (makes it not readable or writable by anybody or anything). [02:46] i usually have my sound turned off nayway [02:47] it's a reminder : your sound is on! [02:47] wastrel, I don't have gutsy on that machine, I tried a new installation bu tmy cd-dive just let me down [02:48] iono then === Pici` is now known as Pici [02:48] iono ? [02:49] or for that matter, a way to search on only relevent seeming bugs === Bambi_BOFH is now known as kgoetz [02:49] scizzo-, didn't work =\ I even looked up on /dev/input what showed up when pluggin the usb mouse [02:49] And it didn't help either [02:49] iono : i don't know but slangier/lazier [02:49] touchpad still works, usb mouse not moving =P [02:50] * kgoetz wonders if lunks uses ubuntu or debian [02:50] ubuntu =) [02:50] lunks: there should be a tool to control the touchpad, they often have a thing about using it and mice together [02:50] wastrel, tx for upgrading my english vocabulary, at least I got some help here :D [02:51] it's not english it's irc slang, horrible horrible irc slang [02:51] kgoetz, looked for the same help there, as ubuntu is debian based and I wasn't getting help on #ubuntu =D [02:51] kgoetz: booting the rescue image work? [02:51] kgoetz, I can't seem to find this tool. :P [02:53] wastrel: i dont remember, i'll try it again to check. brb [02:53] lunks: hmm not sure then [02:53] lunks: need to sleep now anyways [02:54] scizzo-, k, I will keep trying here [02:54] thanks for the help =D [02:55] with 32 bit Hardy, on a dual core AMD64 laptop, what is the more stable flash and java? from what is available in the repos. [02:56] brb [02:57] i find it somewhat bizare that on a server (without xorg) your given the option to repear it [02:58] Just dropped by to say it worked! [02:59] I had to set usb mouse to "CorePointer", on both device and layout sections, and sendcoreevents to touchpad. [02:59] On startup, touchpad didn't work, but after sometime it did. [03:11] * DanaG wishes there were a real touchpad config thingy that exposed ALL options. [03:11] It'd be something like the Synaptics Windows control panel. [03:25] what can I install to some java software works? [03:25] Is ebox already installed in hardy? [03:31] what java plugin is most stable in 32 bit firefox on 32 bit ubuntu? same ??? for flash. [03:35] WorkingOnWise: You'd be after the official Sun and Adobe plugins, respectively. sun-java6-plugin or somesuch, and flashplugin-nonfree [03:36] RAOF: thanks. kinda wha I thought. I have found myself in a position with my work that all of a sudden firefox with flash and java are the apps I use 90% now! [03:37] but...I still want to be able to test and learn on Hardy, so I gotta run 32 bit for the greater stability.... [03:38] * RAOF notes that it's still not recommended to run Hardy on any machine you might need to be working at any particular time in the future. [03:44] lol...yeah..i figure it like this.... I ran MS stuff since 1992. Hardy is more stable that anything they got. Yeah, Gutsy is more so, and I would be more stable there, but Hardy has a few key aps that Gutsy is a little behind on...mainly Evolution. so..I take my chances, knowing that if I were like the 90, I'd be having more troubles and less fun with my laptop than on Hardy :) [03:44] oh...and I like blood [03:44] hehe [03:46] I upgraded to hardy, now I cant change my background in gnome. i click on the walpaper i want but it doesnt change until i ctrl+alt+backspace or reboot [04:05] okay... [04:05] _THAT_ is cool [04:05] clicked a checkbox on my desktop, and another on the test machine [04:05] and the test machine's sound started coming out of the speakers on my desktop :) [04:06] what are u doing to pull that of? [04:06] WorkingOnWise, absolutely nothing (I think) [04:07] preferences | pulseaudio preferences [04:07] turn on multicast receiver on the one side, and sender on the other [04:07] ah...I gotta get up to speed on that... [04:07] sweet [04:11] now I just need to get dmx working, and I'm in nirvana [04:13] crimsun, scizzo-, thanks for your help, it worked [04:18] Is hardy better comparing gutsy in server environment? [04:23] rhineheart_m, that's one of those hard to answer questions [04:23] cwillu: what are you trying to say? gutsy is already stable and doing good in server ed? [04:27] rhineheart_m, I'm trying to say that I don't know if it's possible to give an honest answer without knowing what you have in mind [04:29] rhineheart_m: hardy will be better *after it releases* [04:53] does brainstorm support html markup? [04:55] yarr [04:55] VLC and PA [04:55] what's the quickest way to remedy this? [04:59] ethana2: sudo aptitude install libasound2-plugins && asoundconf set-pulseaudio [05:01] I upgraded to hardy, now I cant change my background in gnome. i click on the walpaper i want but it doesnt change until i ctrl+alt+backspace or reboot === Andre_Gondim_ is now known as Andre_Gondim [05:13] heh -- I broke openoffice :) [05:13] anybody here working on those packages? [05:14] 2.4 isn't 100% and 2.3 isn't happy ... I'm in a lurch [05:18] im trying to change my wallpaper in gnome and it wont change [05:22] i've got a huge vfs.debug file in my home directory that's growing every second with no useful information i can see. is there a way to stop that? [05:29] Do you think it would be practical to install Hardy on a new Thinkpad, or should I wait? [05:31] J-_: This depends on how much work you are expected to do on this new Thinkpad. [05:32] J-_: If the thinkpad will ever be required to work at a specific time and place, I'd suggest not. If it doesn't matter if things are broken for a couple of days, then maybe (and file bugs!) [05:33] it's still a little up and down on my lenovo 3000 n100. [05:33] RAOF: Well, it's not a production machine. And, yeah, bug reporting would be nice. [05:33] I juset bought a R61e [05:33] just* [05:34] I know it'll run nicely with my GM965 chipset, and open drivers. [05:34] Hopefully anyway [05:35] J-_: If it's not your only machine, go for it. Hardy is settling down somewhat. As long as you're familiar with the apt package system (and carefully read what it's going to do when you update), Hardy should be fine. [05:35] Amaranth told me it would anyway. (sorry if you're busy, had to give you credit) [05:35] Cool [05:36] RAOF: What would I need to know? I'm quite familiar with apt. Been running Ubuntu for a few years now I think. [05:36] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> banshee is written on c#? [05:37] [Hardy]TuTUXG: Yes. [05:38] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, shock [05:38] Which hardy CD should I download for a Core 2 Duo? [05:38] J-_: Just a familiarity. Probably updating with aptitude (and carefully checking that it's not going to be removing something critical) is good. [05:38] I've always used x86 cd [05:38] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, i386 [05:38] x86 will work, as will x86-64. Which you want depends on what you want from your machine. [05:38] Never had a core 2 duo before(just arrived today) [05:38] Oh, and how much RAM you have. [05:38] 2gb [05:38] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> x86, sorry [05:39] banshee is written in bad. [05:39] J-_: Well, that should be supported fine with either x86 or x86-64. [05:40] x86-64 is faster for some things, but unless you're really hitting the CPU this is generally unnoticable. [05:40] * RAOF fails his will save [05:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Hydrogen, no suprise [05:40] Hydrogen: How so? [05:40] RAOF: 1) it uses gtk 2) it uses mono 3) it tries to clone itunes [05:41] x86 or x86-64 means, PC(intel x86) desktop CD) or 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop cd? [05:41] J-_: x86-64 is less supported by annoying proprietary vendors (flash, java, mainly) [05:41] I'm pretty sure that the sum of those three is something around absolute zero [05:41] J-_: AMD64 is x86-64 [05:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, x86_64 is for both amd64 or intel_64 [05:41] RAOF: K that clears it up =) Will I have to switch anything in bios if I use x86? [05:42] No. [05:42] yay! [05:42] Thanks a lot [05:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Hydrogen, lol [05:43] So, I guess I'll go with x86 for now, then switch to x86-64 after it is supported. [05:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, i doubt that x86-64 will be well supported ever [05:44] K [05:45] Is there any difference in performance? [05:45] Will anything be not used in x86 than x86-64? [05:45] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, if u have any applications built to take the advantage of 64 bits, yes [05:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> no [05:46] ah okay, cool. Makes sense [05:46] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> 4g of ram [05:46] J-_: Not really. You won't be able to run 64bit code, but you probably don't care. [05:46] RAOF: exactly =) [05:47] I just hope hardy doesn't break my lappy. [05:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i really wander how fast will it be with 4g of ram [05:47] I'll scream, possibly go insane a little. [05:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, wat model is ur laggy? [05:47] The x86-64 architecture relaxes some of the stupid limitations of IA32, so code built for x86-64 is generally a bit faster. But you probably won't care. [05:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lappy* [05:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol [05:47] Thinkpad R61e [05:48] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, hi mine is t61p [05:48] [Hardy]TuTUXG: x86-64 is well supported right now. Just not by closed-source annoyances :) [05:48] Core 2 Duo @ 2Ghz, GM965 chipset, 2gb RAM, Intel PRO wireless. [05:49] Which will probably change shortly, as the standard ram loadout exceeds the 32bit address space. [05:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, i thought java is open source? [05:49] ...ohlawd [05:49] [Hardy]TuTUXG: Kinda. [05:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, sweet [05:49] I just hope it runs well. [05:50] 15.4" [05:50] Some of java is open source, and the rest will be. But you can't currently build a Sun java environment from open code. [05:50] Which is why icedtea exists - it's a temporary open-source fork of OpenJDK. [05:50] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, im learning java now and sun-java is terrible with 64bit [05:50] * J-_ wonders if the newer Transmission is in get deb [05:50] getdeb* [05:50] J-_: Newer than 1.0.6, or whatever is in Hardy? [05:51] yes, newer than what is in Gutsy [05:51] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> I thought hardy has the newest stable version [05:51] I believe it does, yes. [05:51] 1.06 is there [05:51] [Hardy]TuTUXG: What's wrong with 64bit java? Apart from the lack of a browser plugin, of course. [05:52] [Hardy]TuTUXG: Heh, maybe you should run it in the Mono VM with ikvm :P [05:52] RAOF: that would definitely suck. I watch a lot of youtube myself. =P [05:52] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, browser plugin is big problem [05:53] There is an icedtea plugin, but icedtea != Sun java. It's still a bit incomplete. [05:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> my university teaches sun java [05:54] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and we need to learn java-applet [05:54] So did mine. [05:54] Urgh. [05:54] Well, they're pretty simple. It's just Java without a main, inherited from an applet class. [05:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> which means icedtea is probly not a good option [05:55] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> the api is incomplete [05:56] You should be able to use it. I'd imagine you're unlikely to hit the incomplete areas as a part of introductory Java. [05:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, i agree with u [05:57] Man, I can't wait til my wrt54gl tomorrow. =D Going to put Tomato firmware on it. [05:57] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, im just dont wanna take the risk [05:57] Fair enough. [05:58] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, i dont want my windows classmates say that linux sucks ;P [05:58] haha [05:58] It doesn't though. >.> [05:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> they r stupid [05:59] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> that's the problem [05:59] * J-_ will hopefully be all primed up tomorrow for the LUG meeting and the new Lappy. [05:59] with Hardy on it of course. [06:00] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, hardy is pretty stable right now on my box [06:00] Nice [06:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, but it's still alpha, so be aware [06:01] [Hardy]TuTUXG: which chipset do you have on it? [06:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, same as urs [06:01] ohhh excellent. [06:01] I'm happy already [06:01] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, graphic card? [06:01] integrated. [06:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, i heard that the intel driver is little bit buggy [06:02] Hrm [06:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> dont know if they fixed it [06:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, any idea? [06:02] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> going to eat, brb [06:02] Cool, I was talking to a dev a couple weeks ago, he said everything should work awesome [06:03] I just hope so =P [06:03] * J-_ wonders if putting Ubuntu on the lappy, if it'll void my warranty [06:04] :shrug: [06:04] Just watch the load-cycle issue. [06:05] Can't stand Vista, will be glad to have Hardy on it. Took me 5 minutes to see what resolution I was using. [06:05] [Hardy]TuTUXG: About the intel graphics drivers? They're not particularly buggy. They've got pretty much the best support going. [06:05] ohh nice [06:05] They *do* suffer from the problem that the whole linux & X acceleration architecture is in the process of being redesigned, but that's neither here nor there :) [06:06] hmm [06:06] RAOF: Is that bad? [06:06] Not really. It's just that they're not the super-fast drivers that should be available in, say a year's time. [06:07] ah okay. [06:07] EXA performance really _needs_ the TTM work that's being done; the intel gallium driver is apparrently substantially faster than the current DRI, and will fix redirected-direct-rendering, et. [06:07] Basically, they'll be much more awesome in 6 months or so. [06:08] It's not like I play games or anything. Although, I'd like to install CS:S in wine sometime. But that's just meh. I'd rather learn something worth doing like code. [06:08] nice [06:10] 1h before I get to burn Hardy. =D [06:10] * DanaG can't use Wine as long as it clashes with PulseAudio..... and as long as it changes my screen resolution without asking, for some apps, even when they're not set to fullscreen. [06:10] Oh yeah. I hope the Graphic installation works just as good as the Alternate. [06:11] hrm, no Pulse support? [06:11] Ah well [06:11] It's not like I play it a lot. I haven't had it install for probably 2 years now. [06:11] installed even [06:11] Heh. I've only just fixed a bug which made wine & pulse coexist peasefully. [06:12] hmm [06:12] DanaG: Is that with "asoundconf set-pulseaudio"? Sucks. [06:16] YOu might want to rephrase the previous sentence -- it seems to say the opposite of what you intend. [06:18] DanaG: No, it says exactly what I intended. alsa-driver wasn't providing mixers correctly, so pulseaudio wasn't claiming the soundcard. Wine uses alsa in a broken way, so it wasn't fazed by the lack of mixers and went merrily along. [06:18] By fixing ALSA, wine no longer plays nicely with pulseaudio :) [06:20] (And by fixing this, I mean "using module-assistant to build alsa-source") [06:22] RAOF: when will it be done? [06:22] oh, 6 months [06:23] Hobbsee: You mean TTM/gallium? Yeah. It might make Intrepid. === OSUKid7` is now known as OSUKid7 [06:23] RAOF: well, intel drivers working nicely [06:23] under exa [06:26] aah, so the thing about pulseaudio was s/made/incorrectly let/ [06:26] I want the nouveau guys to make a release, so Intrepid can have nouveau instead of/as well as nv. === Fujitsu_ is now known as Fujitsu [06:30] Will my GM965 chipset be comparable to my fx5200 nvidia card in my desktop or be any better? Usage wise? [06:34] J-_: The driver situation is pretty much better for the Intel chip. As far as performance, the fx5200 will probably stomp all over the Intel card. [06:34] ah cool [06:34] :shrug: =) [06:34] The Intel chip is missing some key features but is much more stable [06:35] Amaranth: Sorry for the bother earlier. =) [06:35] ? [06:35] Ah, I highlighted you [06:35] Guess it didn't do anything. [06:36] =D [06:36] oh, i was asleep [06:37] it most likely beeped very loud as i had forgotten to turn my speakers down [06:37] =| [06:37] Won't do that anymore then. [06:37] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> J-_, take a look at thinkwiki.org when u install ubuntu, pretty helpful [06:38] J-_: Unless you're trying to get someone's attention it's considered polite to mangle their name a bit [06:38] [Hardy]TuTUXG: K [06:38] like A.maranth [06:38] not that I care [06:38] K [06:39] If you're talking about me I'd prefer you used my name plainly that way I can find out what you said about me :P [06:39] Amaranth: I got the Lappy today. =) [06:39] Exactly, that's why I pretty much did it. [06:39] J-_: I know, I said "Put hardy on that sucker" [06:39] And you said you hadn't even turned it on yet [06:39] hmm [06:41] btw, while the 965 does work well the driver for it is rather...simple [06:41] nice [06:41] so you can expect it to run faster, better, and more efficiently as time goes on [06:42] they're still optimizing :) [06:42] I can't wait [06:42] 61% done downloading the x86 iso. [06:43] If I wasn't quite lacking I would have already downloaded the darn thing. lol [06:43] days ago [06:44] What one are you getting? [06:45] also, why x86? [06:46] you have java programs that are closed-source and don't work with icedtea? [06:46] Hmm, figured it would be better with software support as said earlier...? [06:46] eh, i guess x86 is slightly easier [06:46] After the final release, I'll probably switch to x86-64 [06:47] and if you manage to fit more than 4GB of memory in there you're rewiring the mobo [06:47] ... [06:47]