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| calc | hello | 06:57 |
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| * ArneGoetje waves | 06:57 | |
| * slangasek waves | 06:57 | |
| * Hobbsee waves, and hands out obligatory coffee | 06:57 | |
| Hobbsee | (the drips, not the cup variety) | 06:58 |
| cjwatson | morning | 06:59 |
| doko | good morning | 06:59 |
| cjwatson | I've just gone for the cup, I'm afraid | 06:59 |
| * slangasek percolates | 06:59 | |
| * TheMuso waves. | 06:59 | |
| * ogra fumbles for matches to keep eyes open ... to even find the coffee on the table | 06:59 | |
| cjwatson | bryce was ill yesterday, which is still today for him, so I don't expect to see him | 06:59 |
| evand | hi | 06:59 |
| * TheMuso goes for the water, unless its very cold, then he goes for the cup. | 06:59 | |
| cjwatson | so just waiting for asac | 07:00 |
| cjwatson | will wait one more minute | 07:02 |
| ogra | cjwatson, sorry, no report yet, i was smart enough to dd something to /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdd yesterday afternoon ... :( sda is a member of my raid1 while sdd is my usb stick .... | 07:02 |
| cjwatson | oops! | 07:02 |
| ogra | at least i had a week old backup about 4am i had it played back .... | 07:02 |
| * ogra votes for distinct names for usb sticks in the future | 07:03 | |
| cjwatson | I found my fingers typing 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda' rather than 'dd if=/dev/zero of=alt.img' yesterday and was glad that (a) I didn't press Enter (b) I hadn't put sudo on the front | 07:03 |
| ogra | heh, i did both | 07:03 |
| cjwatson | ok, let's start, asac can catch up when he arrives | 07:03 |
| ogra | no big damage done though just took lots of time | 07:03 |
| cjwatson | * Actions from last week | 07:03 |
| cjwatson | * scim-bridge testing results? | 07:03 |
| calc | i've done rm -rf ~ (hit enter before completing the path), that was painful | 07:03 |
| cjwatson | that was asac and ogra IIRC | 07:04 |
| TheMuso | ogra: I *think* its called lack of sleep. :p | 07:04 |
| ogra | TheMuso, no, thats how i'm feeling right now after 3h of sleep this night :P | 07:04 |
| slangasek | ogra: clearly it should be corporate policy to not give Canonical employees root on their systems, to avoid such mishaps | 07:04 |
| ogra | lol | 07:04 |
| cjwatson | ogra: did you get a chance to test scim-bridge for dead-key support last week? | 07:05 |
| ArneGoetje | I didn't receive any feedback for dead-key support under scim-bridge... but some users' feedback in some LP bugs suggest that it works for them... so I decided to go for scim-bridge anyways. | 07:06 |
| ogra | i tried it once and didnt find any difference to the normal behavior ... but note that i still have an xorg.conf from the gutsy that was installed, not sure that has any influence | 07:06 |
| cjwatson | keyboard handling is one of the few things that has not changed much in xorg.conf | 07:07 |
| cjwatson | so that sounds ok | 07:07 |
| ogra | yeah, but i dont know if scim changed :) | 07:07 |
| ogra | so i mentioned it | 07:07 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: I mentioned something related in /msg, but I think you may have missed it | 07:07 |
| cjwatson | 08:49 <cjwatson> installing im-switch at the moment will cause scim to be started for everyone, AFAICS | 07:08 |
| cjwatson | 08:49 <cjwatson> even those not in a CJK locale | 07:08 |
| ArneGoetje | correct. | 07:08 |
| cjwatson | perhaps im-switch should put 'default' below 'none' for all_ALL? | 07:08 |
| cjwatson | it sounds like it won't break anything (from the testing above), but also seems inefficient? | 07:08 |
| cjwatson | (but if there's a good reason not to do that, I'll back down) | 07:09 |
| ArneGoetje | 'default' seems to disable scim, because the envirenment variables are empty in that configuration. | 07:09 |
| ogra | i wonder if scim by default couldnt solve our kbd issues with x | 07:10 |
| ogra | afaik thats one of the reasons we still keep an xorg.conf for | 07:10 |
| ArneGoetje | ogra: which kbd issues? | 07:10 |
| ogra | it seems to handle non CJK setups just fine | 07:10 |
| slangasek | (well, I know one problem it doesn't solve is oversized CDs... :) | 07:10 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: oh. I apologise, I was looking at my local configuration and assuming it's the default | 07:10 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: common mistake ;) | 07:11 |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: in fact the im-switch setup is not as straight forward as it could be... | 07:11 |
| ogra | ArneGoetje, Xorg can wonderfully work without xorg.conf nowadays ... we keep a config file because we have no sane way of handling keymaps and mice yet | 07:11 |
| cjwatson | ogra: input hotplug needs some more work than that, I think | 07:11 |
| cjwatson | Timo tried the obvious hal approach and it broke for him | 07:12 |
| ogra | but scim seems o be there already | 07:12 |
| ogra | *to | 07:12 |
| ogra | (i dont talk about hardy :) ) | 07:12 |
| cjwatson | scim doesn't do generalised keyboard layout handling, just specialised CJK-type things | 07:12 |
| cjwatson | ok, I'll add im-switch to desktop at the next opportunity on Arne's behalf, then; it's tiny | 07:13 |
| ArneGoetje | thanks | 07:13 |
| cjwatson | * Alpha-6 status | 07:13 |
| ArneGoetje | question remains: | 07:13 |
| cjwatson | ... I gather size may be relevant here ... | 07:13 |
| ArneGoetje | should scim be enabled or disabled by default for all_ALL? | 07:14 |
| cjwatson | my vote is for disabled | 07:14 |
| ArneGoetje | currently it's enabled | 07:14 |
| ogra | can you select by locale ? | 07:15 |
| cjwatson | ArneGoetje: but as you said above all_ALL points to 'default' by default, which doesn't start scim | 07:15 |
| cjwatson | ogra: that is the default | 07:15 |
| * asac appears | 07:16 | |
| ArneGoetje | cjwatson: I'll have to do some checks on im-switch... fact is that scim-bridge now has highest priority... where the actual link to enable scim is set, I'll need to find out. | 07:17 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: ^-- alpha-6 status? | 07:19 |
| ogra_ | alternate looks good from what i tested (beyond being oversized) | 07:20 |
| calc | ooo has now built with lzma on all archs but powerpc (some weird buildd error there afaict) | 07:20 |
| slangasek | in terms of installability and bug count, we're looking pretty good for alpha-6; thanks to everyone for their diligence at squashing those milestoned bugs | 07:20 |
| ogra_ | edubuntu-addon as well (works without net connection now, yay) | 07:20 |
| cjwatson | I was impressed with the alpha-6 bug list when I glanced at it yesterday | 07:20 |
| calc | ooo-l10n is currently building with lzma as well | 07:20 |
| slangasek | there are still a few bugs listed on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/hardy-alpha-6 that could use some attention; most of the remaining bugs are not actually blockers for alpha-6 so I'll be moving them around later this evening, but everything there is at least high-priority for release | 07:21 |
| cjwatson | it's probably time to start gardening the targeted-to-hardy bug list too | 07:22 |
| slangasek | as ogra notes, there are some size issues currently with the images - we have about half a dozen packages newly seeded on the Ubuntu liveCD since alpha-5, for instance, and between that and the death-of-a-thousand-cuts growth of individual packages, we're hurting to get the images down to size | 07:23 |
| slangasek | because we've already pruned almost all of the language packs in earlier alphas, leaving us with almost nothing left to prune in that department right now(!) | 07:23 |
| slangasek | mvo has already helped out with this last night by shrinking one of the new packages for me, but if anyone can think of changes they've made since alpha-5 that are costing us space and that we might be able to squeeze more space out of, that would be helpful | 07:24 |
| slangasek | otherwise I'm going to see what I can do with the langpacks still | 07:24 |
| ogra_ | slangasek, artwork ? | 07:24 |
| ogra_ | my new wallpaper says its 3.5M big | 07:24 |
| TheMuso | Mousetweaks has been added, but I think its small. I shall investigate however... | 07:24 |
| slangasek | and yes, at this point the targeted-to-hardy bug list also includes a number of bugs we should be working on in parallel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+bugs | 07:24 |
| ogra_ | (compared to 900k or so with the defaults we had before) | 07:25 |
| slangasek | ogra_: I don't mean to take up the meeting with brainstorming; I'm around for several hours after the meeting, we can take this up out-of-band | 07:26 |
| ogra_ | indeed | 07:26 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: that's it for my report | 07:26 |
| cjwatson | sounds like today is going to be a weight-watchers day for Ubuntu | 07:27 |
| cjwatson | ok, thanks Steve | 07:27 |
| cjwatson | any other business? | 07:27 |
| TheMuso | I've had another idea that could give us 1.2MB of space back. | 07:27 |
| slangasek | (more like Slim-Fast, I think :) | 07:27 |
| * TheMuso will take to devel | 07:27 | |
| slangasek | no other business for me | 07:30 |
| calc | sorry my router ate itself | 07:32 |
| calc | i can't see anything, is the meeting still going on? | 07:34 |
| evand | calc: yes, we're on AOB | 07:34 |
| cjwatson | we're on "Colin had thought it was done and wasn't paying attention" :-) | 07:36 |
| slangasek | heh :) | 07:36 |
| cjwatson | adjourned, thanks all | 07:36 |
| slangasek | thanks :) | 07:36 |
| evand | haha | 07:36 |
| evand | thanks | 07:36 |
| ArneGoetje | thanks | 07:36 |
| TheMuso | thanks folks. | 07:37 |
| calc | goodnight everyone | 07:37 |
| asac | thx | 07:37 |
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| nand | hi! | 19:00 |
| * ogasawara waves | 19:00 | |
| heno | hey | 19:00 |
| * stgraber waves | 19:00 | |
| Iulian | Hi | 19:00 |
| liw | yo | 19:01 |
| bdmurray | greetings | 19:01 |
| heno | ok, let's start | 19:03 |
| heno | #startmeeting | 19:03 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 19:03. The chair is heno. | 19:03 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 19:03 |
| heno | agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings | 19:03 |
| heno | First, welcome all :) | 19:04 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Kernel bug migration update (bug day tomorrow) | 19:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kernel bug migration update (bug day tomorrow) | 19:04 |
| davmor2 | lo | 19:04 |
| ogasawara | I've been going through the High/Critical bugs for the older kernels | 19:05 |
| heno | I put that on the agenda so ogasawara would have a target for the high/critical migration | 19:05 |
| heno | :) | 19:05 |
| heno | how is it going? | 19:05 |
| ogasawara | I've got maybe 50 or so left to look at so I imagine I'll have it all wrapped up by end of the week | 19:05 |
| heno | cool! | 19:05 |
| heno | I see the plan is prepared for tomorrow | 19:06 |
| ogasawara | yup, so we should get extra help from the hug day tomorrow too | 19:06 |
| heno | ogasawara: anything else on that topic? | 19:07 |
| ogasawara | heno: nope, I think we're good | 19:07 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Past week's bug day summary: g-s-t and HAL | 19:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Past week's bug day summary: g-s-t and HAL | 19:07 |
| heno | the g-s-t bug day ran out of bugs it looks like :) | 19:07 |
| heno | and I guess pitti has been running a 1-man HAL bug day today | 19:08 |
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| heno | ok, next | 19:10 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Desktop testing KVM images - instructions for download and use - liw | 19:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Desktop testing KVM images - instructions for download and use - liw | 19:10 |
| liw | I've made some packages of the automated desktop testing stuff, and a KVM/qemu image that can be used to run them | 19:11 |
| liw | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/KVM and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop have some further details | 19:11 |
| liw | I'd be grateful if a couple of people could check that those things work for them | 19:11 |
| liw | there's only one set of tests right now, but now that all the packaging infrastructure is there, I can easily add more, and will be doing that in the near future | 19:12 |
| stgraber | I'm downloading at the moment | 19:12 |
| nand | liw: I'll test this WE | 19:12 |
| heno | liw: the pages look very good, thanks | 19:12 |
| * heno downloads as well | 19:12 | |
| stgraber | people.u.c seems overloaded :) downloading at only 300k/s | 19:13 |
| heno | liw: how shall we report feedback? email, or will you set up bugtracking on LP? | 19:13 |
| davmor2 | I'll have a look latter when all the images have re-downloaded again :) | 19:13 |
| liw | feedback to me via e-mail to start with | 19:13 |
| heno | ok | 19:13 |
| liw | lars@ubuntu.com that is | 19:14 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Alpha 6 ISO testing | 19:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Alpha 6 ISO testing | 19:14 |
| heno | davmor2, stgraber: anything scary so far? | 19:15 |
| stgraber | I haven't started testing yet | 19:15 |
| stgraber | we had a broken OOo | 19:15 |
| heno | yeah | 19:15 |
| stgraber | I have updated the tracker with a fixed download info box | 19:15 |
| heno | kde4 seems to work, which is cool | 19:15 |
| stgraber | and updated the testcases | 19:15 |
| stgraber | adding Kubuntu-KDE4, Wubi and modifying Edubuntu | 19:15 |
| heno | some of the testcases will need some updating too | 19:16 |
| davmor2 | OO.o screwed up testing having to re-download now. On the whole Kubuntu has been okay couple of minor things but that's it | 19:16 |
| bdmurray | did the wubi test cases get written? | 19:16 |
| heno | bdmurray: sort of | 19:16 |
| stgraber | bdmurray: yes by heno and xivulon | 19:16 |
| heno | there is room for improvement ... | 19:16 |
| stgraber | xivulon updated it a bit this morning IIRC | 19:16 |
| heno | davmor2 and i will look more at test cases on Saturday I guess | 19:17 |
| heno | (at the Oxford testing mini sprint) | 19:17 |
| davmor2 | Indeed :) | 19:17 |
| bdmurray | One thing I was thinking about was the importance of capturing the right files when people are testing | 19:18 |
| heno | ooh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/Wubi actually looks decent now! | 19:18 |
| heno | yay xivulon! | 19:18 |
| bdmurray | I mean getting the complete information right away | 19:18 |
| heno | bdmurray: a script that just vacuums up a bunch of could-be-useful log files perhaps? | 19:20 |
| heno | with dedicated test installs I don't think we have to worry too much about privacy | 19:20 |
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| bdmurray | heno: maybe, I don't have an answer was just thinking about. do we have documentation about how to get files off a live cd? | 19:21 |
| heno | so we could put 'wget script; script' on a wiki page and ask people to use that | 19:21 |
| heno | just for ubiquity AFAIK | 19:21 |
| heno | you mean in case of missing network and so on? | 19:22 |
| stgraber | we can use pastebin and my pastebinit package if the files aren't too long (as pastebins are usually limited) | 19:22 |
| heno | or tgz and attach it to a wiki page | 19:23 |
| bdmurray | heno: right, the process of getting the files off. its easy if you are at the desktop but the other ways might not be well documented | 19:23 |
| heno | indeed, I don't think they are | 19:23 |
| heno | lots of info in individual bug comments | 19:23 |
| heno | getting files from busybox, photographing the screen, etc | 19:24 |
| bdmurray | right, that's what I was thinking of | 19:24 |
| heno | ok, let's add some info here as we think of different techniques https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CollectingLogs | 19:25 |
| heno | so ISO testing for a6 continues ... | 19:26 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Brainstorm status - fixing bugs, writing use documentation, seeking dev and moderator participation | 19:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Brainstorm status - fixing bugs, writing use documentation, seeking dev and moderator participation | 19:26 |
| nand | well, for now I'm pleased with the website | 19:27 |
| heno | The launch seems to have gone extremely well! | 19:27 |
| nand | good idea turnout | 19:27 |
| stgraber | 3389 ideas and 11234 users !!! | 19:27 |
| nand | the new front page ordering seems very efficient | 19:27 |
| heno | we also have 10-12 moderators signed up and some developers | 19:27 |
| nand | Now the next target is the handling of duplicates | 19:28 |
| nand | especially preventing them | 19:28 |
| heno | stgraber: any idea on how many active ideas? (non-deleted, non-dupes) | 19:28 |
| nand | with a ajax system like ubuntuforums.org && LP | 19:28 |
| nand | Yep, I should also add a stat page soon :) | 19:28 |
| heno | nand: that strikes me as a big task | 19:29 |
| nand | heno: Noo, I can do it in one day | 19:29 |
| stgraber | heno: I have a fresh DB dump here so I probably can tell you that with a bit of SQL | 19:29 |
| nand | The architecture behind QAPoll is pretty clean :) | 19:29 |
| heno | great | 19:29 |
| heno | also, please help improve https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brainstorm | 19:30 |
| bapoumba | may I have a question about duplicates handeling ? | 19:30 |
| heno | it's now linked from the front page | 19:30 |
| nand | bapoumba: yes? | 19:30 |
| bapoumba | how to deal with duplicates of duplicates ? | 19:30 |
| nand | heno: I've seen, yes, nice howto! | 19:30 |
| nand | bapoumba: the main idea cumulates the votes of all its duplicate. And by cumulate, I mean smartly cumulate | 19:31 |
| bapoumba | say A is reported as dup of B which is already a dup of C | 19:31 |
| nand | i.e. if one user vote +1 for two dups, only one +1 will be counted | 19:31 |
| nand | bapoumba: I'll add soon a list of all the duplicate at any level (dup, dup of dupe) on the idea page | 19:32 |
| bapoumba | okay :) | 19:32 |
| heno | I think the dup system should not block on bug or spec links | 19:32 |
| heno | they should be carried forward also when duping | 19:33 |
| nand | A problem I have noticed: | 19:33 |
| heno | we are losing some links ATM | 19:33 |
| nand | it's no so easy | 19:33 |
| nand | because often bad bugreport or bad spec are linked | 19:33 |
| nand | old, non revelant | 19:33 |
| nand | and thus it influences baldy on the status | 19:33 |
| stgraber | nand: What's the 'status' for deleted ideas ? | 19:34 |
| heno | yes, this may need a documentation-solution | 19:34 |
| nand | E.g. an idea is marked as "worked in progress" whereas it is not | 19:34 |
| nand | stgraber: the SQL number? | 19:34 |
| stgraber | nand: yep | 19:34 |
| nand | check qapoll.install, it's documented | 19:34 |
| nand | -2 IIRC | 19:34 |
| heno | ie. the moderators need to move some links around | 19:34 |
| nand | Personaly I often check and update the attachments, and this should be asked to the moderators too | 19:35 |
| stgraber | qawebsite=> SELECT count(id) FROM qapoll_choice WHERE duplicatenumber='-1' AND status!='-2'; | 19:35 |
| stgraber | count | 19:35 |
| stgraber | ------- | 19:35 |
| stgraber | heno: ^ | 19:35 |
| stgraber | 2245 | 19:35 |
| stgraber | (1 row) | 19:35 |
| nand | sot that's the number of non-deleted and non-dup ideas | 19:35 |
| nand | stgraber: the nb of dup please? | 19:35 |
| stgraber | 578 | 19:36 |
| stgraber | 326 deleted | 19:36 |
| heno | that seems like roughly sensible numbers | 19:36 |
| nand | oh, well pleased with the nb of dups | 19:36 |
| heno | most of that was Jose's spam | 19:36 |
| heno | any other topics? | 19:37 |
| bdmurray | I've made some progress with markus's help on yesterday's bugs | 19:37 |
| bdmurray | http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/yesterday/ | 19:37 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/yesterday/ | 19:37 |
| bdmurray | The report shows all the new bugs reported yesterday | 19:39 |
| bdmurray | My thought was we'd try to drive it to 0 | 19:39 |
| bdmurray | I've added the sourcepackge like we discussed earlier and it is phenomenally faster | 19:39 |
| heno | sounds very good | 19:40 |
| heno | it would be cool to have a graph of the number over time | 19:40 |
| heno | yesterdays bugs three days ago, etc :) | 19:40 |
| bdmurray | heno: with the number "resetting" every day? | 19:40 |
| heno | btw, 130085 is likely now from yesterday | 19:41 |
| heno | bdmurray: how exactly do you define yesterday? | 19:41 |
| heno | just the previous date from when the script runs? | 19:41 |
| bdmurray | yes | 19:42 |
| heno | ok | 19:42 |
| bdmurray | so at 00:00 UTC it'll be 0 I think | 19:42 |
| heno | ok, how often does it update? | 19:43 |
| heno | it should run at 23.50 then really | 19:43 |
| bdmurray | er, that's not true it'll be whatever the total reported on the 5th was | 19:43 |
| bdmurray | it runs every 10 minutes at the moment | 19:43 |
| heno | assuming it runs once a day - ah, ok | 19:43 |
| heno | so you want to drive it to 0 in real time each day? | 19:44 |
| bdmurray | so if we go triage some of those the report will be shorter in ~10 minutes | 19:44 |
| bdmurray | right | 19:44 |
| heno | I get it now, cool | 19:44 |
| heno | sounds like a powerful tool | 19:44 |
| heno | can we do a bug day with it to introduce it to people? | 19:45 |
| heno | seems suitable for 5-a-day also | 19:45 |
| heno | bdmurray: ^ bug day? | 19:46 |
| bdmurray | bug day: probably - one concern I have is covering such a wide variety of packages though. I feel the same way about apport-bug tagged bugs, but we could try it and see what happens | 19:47 |
| stgraber | liw: is your screen 1600x1200 ? :) | 19:47 |
| bdmurray | 5-a-day: right, just another entry point for finding "fresh" bugs | 19:47 |
| heno | and Finnish tz :) | 19:47 |
| liw | stgraber, 1680x1050 actually... the kvm image uses a too-big screen? | 19:47 |
| liw | heno, and Finnish keyboard, too, actually | 19:48 |
| liw | not sure how to solve that one | 19:48 |
| stgraber | liw: well, I have a 1680x1050 screen too but qemu started with 1600x1200 for usplash | 19:48 |
| heno | I'll send you a UK keyboard :) | 19:48 |
| liw | stgraber, yeah, it does that | 19:48 |
| liw | stgraber, I've no idea why | 19:49 |
| heno | we can take this to #ubuntu-testing | 19:49 |
| heno | I think we are done | 19:49 |
| heno | 3 | 19:49 |
| nand | oh my.. And i have 1024x768... | 19:49 |
| heno | 2 | 19:50 |
| heno | 1 | 19:50 |
| nand | boom! | 19:50 |
| heno | #endmeeting | 19:50 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 19:50. | 19:50 |
| heno | thanks everyone! | 19:50 |
| heno | oh, anyone care to do a summary? :-D | 19:50 |
| heno | I still suck at that :( | 19:51 |
| heno | nope, ok. I'll take it | 19:52 |
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| RichEd | who's here for the edubuntu meeting ? | 20:01 |
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| LaserJock | anybody around for Edubuntu meeting? | 20:06 |
| pygi | LaserJock, me me | 20:23 |
| LaserJock | so, this is like the most exciting meeting ever ;-) | 20:26 |
| stgraber | yes :) | 20:26 |
| stgraber | anyone actually has something to say/ask ? :) | 20:26 |
| stgraber | only note from my side : iTalc has been promoted to Main !!! | 20:27 |
| pygi | oh noes! | 20:27 |
| pygi | the windows app in main! | 20:27 |
| stgraber | well, I and upstream have no problem with you rewriting the UI in GTK :) | 20:28 |
| stgraber | some parts are already moving to a separate lib | 20:28 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: what is it written in? | 20:29 |
| stgraber | C++ | 20:30 |
| pygi | stgraber, you mean I should rewrite entire app? xD | 20:36 |
| stgraber | pygi: well, yeah :) | 20:41 |
| pygi | stgraber, you're no fun at all! | 20:41 |
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| zul | afternoon | 20:58 |
| mathiaz | hello ! | 20:58 |
| faulkes- | that it is | 20:58 |
| sommer | what up all | 20:58 |
| dendrobates | \o/ | 20:58 |
| * jdstrand waves | 20:58 | |
| kirkland | howdy | 20:59 |
| soren | o/ | 20:59 |
| faulkes- | I think we are good to go | 20:59 |
| mathiaz | so - let's get started ! | 21:00 |
| mathiaz | #startmeeting | 21:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 21:00. The chair is mathiaz. | 21:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 21:00 |
| faulkes- | lead away mathiaz | 21:01 |
| mathiaz | Today's agenda can be found online: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 21:01 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting. | 21:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting. | 21:02 |
| mathiaz | Previous meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080227 | 21:02 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] forum reporting | 21:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: forum reporting | 21:03 |
| faulkes- | ok then | 21:03 |
| mathiaz | anything to add or disscuss on the forum front faulkes- ? | 21:03 |
| faulkes- | yes | 21:03 |
| mathiaz | I think you've published the code on LP | 21:03 |
| faulkes- | I did a complete rewrite of the code and published it to LP | 21:04 |
| faulkes- | https://launchpad.net/forumstats/ | 21:04 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: great - do you have some documentation somewhere ? | 21:04 |
| faulkes- | it is much more exact in the nature of how it selects and adds stuff | 21:04 |
| faulkes- | there is a README file supplied with the source | 21:05 |
| faulkes- | and I have documented the source as well, it's only about 120 lines long | 21:05 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: great. So what's the next step ? | 21:05 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: do you want to add more features to it ? | 21:05 |
| faulkes- | the next step is linking the individual graphs and categories, to being able to see the individual posts | 21:06 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: or should we think about what we can do with the outcome ? | 21:06 |
| faulkes- | which should be fairly easy to do, I have been very busy the last week with pm course exams and taking on a new FT position | 21:06 |
| faulkes- | the outcome, is more a time based situation, I will also add in the ability to select by date | 21:07 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: ok. Seems great. | 21:07 |
| faulkes- | because the posts affecting something from time X to time Y, may be unrelated due to version from time Z to time L | 21:07 |
| owh | faulkes-: Is there a way to host the current branch so it can display results? | 21:08 |
| owh | As in, be "live" | 21:08 |
| faulkes- | that may be possible but it would require access to my database | 21:08 |
| faulkes- | if you want to host one yourself, you can run the code completely independent of me | 21:08 |
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| faulkes- | and allow it to gather stats | 21:09 |
| faulkes- | the requirements are listed in the README for running it | 21:09 |
| owh | Does the code have a means to generate a database as well? | 21:09 |
| faulkes- | there is sql files included in the LP branch | 21:09 |
| owh | Cool. | 21:09 |
| faulkes- | the README has instructions regarding them | 21:10 |
| owh | Excellent, documentation that actually helps :) | 21:10 |
| mathiaz | How is the classification of post done ? | 21:10 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: I think this is the trickiest part | 21:10 |
| faulkes- | classification is done via a dictionary | 21:11 |
| faulkes- | unfortunately, that means building the dictionary | 21:11 |
| faulkes- | I have included the one which is currently used | 21:11 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: ok - is there a way to reassign posts to a different category if they've been misclassifed ? | 21:11 |
| faulkes- | so, if you wanted to use the code to monitor say, Desktop forum, you would need to build your own | 21:11 |
| faulkes- | mathiaz: currently no, that would be an admin feature I guess, but wouldn't be hard to build in | 21:12 |
| faulkes- | as well as add additional categories, terms, etc.. | 21:12 |
| owh | Going that route would then require a sort of "meta" individual, that seems like a lot of work. | 21:12 |
| faulkes- | right now, it is by hand, mostly for lack of time on my part to build that in but it would be a fairly straight forward excersize | 21:12 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: These are more features. Let's try to get something done first and see how can extract information from that. | 21:13 |
| mathiaz | Let's move on. | 21:13 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Server survey | 21:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Server survey | 21:13 |
| owh | That would be me. | 21:13 |
| faulkes- | me again I guess as nijaba is away or do you want to handle it mathiaz? | 21:13 |
| mathiaz | nijaba is not around. | 21:14 |
| faulkes- | I can go from his action email, that you updated | 21:14 |
| mathiaz | I've updated the ReportingPage with a status he sent me. | 21:14 |
| mathiaz | Anything else to add ? | 21:14 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReportingPage | 21:14 |
| faulkes- | sec | 21:15 |
| owh | While faulkes- is looking... | 21:15 |
| owh | I created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ServerSurveyLaunch which has as many contacts in it as possible, but suggestions are welcome. The intent is to use the body text as the email text. | 21:15 |
| owh | I tried coming up with actual press contacts where relevant, but I don't have any actual Canonical press contact. | 21:15 |
| owh | I'm not sure how we best ask Server Team Members to blog about the survey so it shows up on Planet Ubuntu. | 21:15 |
| mathiaz | It seems that the survey is too long to take. | 21:15 |
| owh | Yes, I'd agree with that. | 21:16 |
| faulkes- | well, we've only had a small sampling so far | 21:16 |
| faulkes- | however | 21:16 |
| faulkes- | we should be always reporting feature/bug requests to LP, I don't generally check the page itself | 21:16 |
| faulkes- | so there is some stuff there that I can work on | 21:16 |
| faulkes- | as for shortening the survey, I think we can do that effectively | 21:17 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: I've communicated with Jonathan Corbet of LWN before, I can send him a note asking if it would be possible to publicize on LWN.net | 21:17 |
| kirkland | no promises--he only sometimes responds to my email :-) | 21:17 |
| faulkes- | I will look at tuning the questions so it is faster | 21:17 |
| owh | kirkland: Add it to the wiki page, you don't need to give the email address if you're not comfortable with it. | 21:17 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: seems great - could you add that to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ServerSurveyLaunch ? | 21:18 |
| owh | kirkland: That way we don't hit LWN multiple times. | 21:18 |
| owh | faulkes-: I wonder if the survey length is a function of a poorly defined audience/spec. I'm not saying it is, I'm just wondering. | 21:18 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] faulkes- to work on tuning the questions to make the survey shorter | 21:19 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: faulkes- to work on tuning the questions to make the survey shorter | 21:19 |
| owh | faulkes-: It seems to be sprawling all over the place. | 21:19 |
| mathiaz | owh: faulkes-: could you coordinate with nijaba ? | 21:19 |
| owh | Yup | 21:19 |
| faulkes- | there is some logical order which needs to be done on the questions | 21:19 |
| faulkes- | mathiaz: yes, I will speak to nijaba | 21:19 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: owh: done. | 21:19 |
| mathiaz | owh: faulkes-: thanks - | 21:20 |
| mathiaz | Let's move on. | 21:20 |
| owh | Perhaps we can catch up afterwards faulkes- and have a chat about it. | 21:20 |
| faulkes- | certainly | 21:20 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] ServerTestingTeam | 21:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ServerTestingTeam | 21:20 |
| mathiaz | So I spent some time to revamp the ServerTestingTeam wiki pages. | 21:21 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTestingTeam | 21:21 |
| mathiaz | The idea is to increase hardware testing for hardy. | 21:21 |
| mathiaz | Reporting the results is done in the wiki. | 21:22 |
| faulkes- | interesting, ok, I may be able to add some to that | 21:22 |
| mathiaz | I'll also send an email to the previous people involved in the team and ask if they can still contribute. | 21:22 |
| mathiaz | Anyone that has some server hardware is welcome to participate. | 21:23 |
| faulkes- | for those unaware of my current status, I've moved from being a consultant to a FTE job, I will be converting the current environment to -server | 21:23 |
| mathiaz | The idea is to download an iso and make sure the installation is successfll | 21:23 |
| mathiaz | Yet another way to contribute to the Server Team :) | 21:24 |
| faulkes- | mathiaz: I should have extra hardware resources now available to put to it | 21:24 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: great ! I've updated the wiki page to streamline the reporting process | 21:24 |
| owh | mathiaz: That's looking great. Do you think it would be useful to add that link to the Survey Announcement to encourage more helpers, or might that be counter productive? | 21:25 |
| mathiaz | owh: I'll make a separate announcement | 21:25 |
| faulkes- | mathiaz: will ServerTestingTeam be a subset of the ServerTeam for membership purposes or? | 21:25 |
| owh | Given that we're targeting -server users. | 21:25 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: for now, there isn't any LP team or membership | 21:25 |
| mathiaz | It may be usefull at some point. | 21:26 |
| faulkes- | owh: well, I think the survey is geared more to established environments rather than test ones | 21:26 |
| mathiaz | faulkes-: correct - this is targeted at development versions. | 21:26 |
| owh | Sure, but they're the same audience I would have thought. | 21:26 |
| faulkes- | however, I see the reverse of that, in which we could bring in more people who have to support -server | 21:26 |
| * faulkes- nods | 21:26 | |
| owh | Hence my query :) | 21:27 |
| mathiaz | I'll send an email to -server to bring more people on board for the ServerTestingTeam | 21:27 |
| faulkes- | I think for now, we should leave it seperate and let mathiaz start | 21:27 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] mathiaz to send an email about the ServerTestingTeam | 21:28 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mathiaz to send an email about the ServerTestingTeam | 21:28 |
| mathiaz | Let's move on and Review Roadmap and ReportingPage. | 21:28 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap | 21:28 |
| mathiaz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReportingPage | 21:28 |
| mathiaz | So I'd like to go through the items that are on the Roadmap but haven't any status on the ReportingPage | 21:29 |
| owh | Is there a way to combine the two pages so it becomes more obvious? | 21:30 |
| owh | Or is that counter productive? | 21:30 |
| mathiaz | owh: well - I'm still trying to figure out how we can do that correctly | 21:30 |
| mathiaz | so I'm still experimenting with this | 21:30 |
| mathiaz | The ReportingPage is something new | 21:31 |
| owh | We could make a template that "encourages" correct editing. | 21:31 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] iscsi support | 21:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: iscsi support | 21:31 |
| mathiaz | soren: any news on that ? | 21:31 |
| soren | YEah. | 21:32 |
| soren | Um... It seems that there are a few use cases that I had not taken into account when I implemented it. | 21:32 |
| soren | Booting off of the network and having your root filesystem on iscsi for instance. | 21:32 |
| soren | So.. That's still work that probably needs to be done. | 21:33 |
| mathiaz | soren: would this be for hardy ? | 21:33 |
| mathiaz | soren: isn't that a new feature ? | 21:33 |
| soren | mathiaz: Yes. Yes, it is. | 21:33 |
| soren | mathiaz: WEll, from certain users' perspective it's a bug. | 21:34 |
| soren | I'll have to take it up with dendrobates and slangasek. | 21:34 |
| owh | mathiaz: Isn't it only a bug if someone looses functionality, aren't we talking about *new* iscsi support? | 21:35 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] soren to talk with dendrobates and slangasek about iscsi support for root fs | 21:35 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: soren to talk with dendrobates and slangasek about iscsi support for root fs | 21:35 |
| owh | I mean, at present it's just "not yet supported". | 21:35 |
| mathiaz | owh: correct - this is why it needs to be discussed with the release team. | 21:35 |
| soren | owh: It's a grey area. | 21:36 |
| owh | Ah. | 21:36 |
| * owh shuts up. | 21:36 | |
| mathiaz | owh: we could try to get a FFexception. | 21:36 |
| soren | Just because something has never worked doesn't mean it's a feature. | 21:36 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Fix bugs marked by the QATeam | 21:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Fix bugs marked by the QATeam | 21:36 |
| soren | Er... crap, that came out wrong. | 21:36 |
| owh | I understand, I just figured we're better off making sure that what there is is working. | 21:36 |
| mathiaz | The qa team has put up a list of bug for hardy | 21:37 |
| mathiaz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=qa-hardy-server | 21:37 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: did you fix the nfs bug ? | 21:37 |
| faulkes- | at least from my experience, booting from san for root fs has been around quite awhile, especially via pxe | 21:37 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: affirmative, with the help of kees, and inifinity | 21:37 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: no longer in that list ;-) woohoo | 21:38 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: great ! | 21:38 |
| mathiaz | there is an ntp bug left now | 21:38 |
| owh | Isn't that just a case of changing the init.d order for ntp? | 21:39 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: I was thinking that it could be solved by similar locking | 21:39 |
| mathiaz | owh: I don't think so. | 21:39 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i think it has to do with NetworkManager | 21:40 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: are the two bugs caused by the same problem | 21:40 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: yes - that's what I think too. | 21:40 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: only distantly... | 21:40 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: both have upstart implications | 21:40 |
| mathiaz | so it's an ifup/down script problem may be. | 21:40 |
| mathiaz | ntp hasn't been designed to run on a laptop/desktop. | 21:40 |
| owh | It seems to be related to DHCP rather than NetworkManager per se, that is, the ifup/down script. | 21:41 |
| mathiaz | anyone wants to have a look at the bug ? | 21:42 |
| zul | not me | 21:42 |
| faulkes- | I wont likely be able to touch it either | 21:42 |
| * soren looks up in the air | 21:42 | |
| owh | Fine. | 21:43 |
| * faulkes- whistles innocently, hands behind his back | 21:43 | |
| owh | I'll have a squiz. | 21:43 |
| owh | Sigh. | 21:43 |
| owh | :) | 21:43 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: I don't think it's ifup/ifdown so much | 21:43 |
| kirkland | but perhaps... | 21:43 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: should I tackle that bug? | 21:43 |
| kirkland | (I hadn't been concentrating on it) | 21:43 |
| mathiaz | [ACTION] owh to look into the ntp bug on the qa-server tag list | 21:43 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: owh to look into the ntp bug on the qa-server tag list | 21:43 |
| owh | Damn, too slow :) | 21:44 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: too late ;) - but you can still help out owh | 21:44 |
| * owh accepts any help:) | 21:44 | |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Virtualization | 21:44 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Virtualization | 21:44 |
| kirkland | ;-) ping me owh | 21:44 |
| mathiaz | soren: any news ? | 21:44 |
| soren | Yes. | 21:45 |
| soren | kvm 62 was uploaded. | 21:45 |
| soren | I've just now (within the last 47 seconds) discovered an issie with virtio_net in it which I'm working on. | 21:45 |
| soren | I've sent the corresponding updates to the kernel to the kernel team. | 21:46 |
| soren | It'll be pulled after the alpha releases. | 21:46 |
| soren | I'm also looking into some last minute virtio fun to include in the guest kernel. | 21:46 |
| soren | The paravirt clock, to be exact. | 21:46 |
| zul | sounds scarey | 21:47 |
| soren | Other htan that, I'm going into mad bug fixing mode. | 21:47 |
| soren | zul: I pretty much hooks up your guest clock to the host's ditto. And that's the end of sucky timing issues in virtual machines. | 21:47 |
| mathiaz | soren: great | 21:47 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Windows authentication integration | 21:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Windows authentication integration | 21:47 |
| zul | soren: how well tested is it? does it report clock drifts and the like? | 21:48 |
| mathiaz | dendrobates: is there a new version likewise-open ready to be tested ? | 21:48 |
| soren | zul: That's the sort of stuff I need to check up on first. | 21:48 |
| zul | soren: yah :) | 21:48 |
| mathiaz | people started to test what's in hardy and reported bugs. | 21:48 |
| dendrobates | mathiaz: not yet. waiting on upstream. | 21:49 |
| dendrobates | mathiaz: was supposed to be today. | 21:49 |
| mathiaz | Ok - I think that's all for the Roadmap. | 21:50 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Any other business | 21:50 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any other business | 21:50 |
| mathiaz | anyone wants to add something ? | 21:50 |
| zul | ebox had a ffe filed today | 21:50 |
| zul | but nothing from me | 21:50 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: could you add an factoid for servergui ? | 21:51 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: I've added an item about it on the Roadmap | 21:51 |
| sommer | ivoks mentioned that he's been sick for the last 10 days, but should be back soon | 21:51 |
| sommer | to work on bacula, etc | 21:52 |
| owh | Does this mean we have a meeting that actually finishes in less than an hour? | 21:53 |
| mathiaz | [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time. | 21:53 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time. | 21:53 |
| mathiaz | same time, same place, next week ? | 21:53 |
| owh | Yup | 21:53 |
| kirkland | +1 | 21:53 |
| sommer | o// | 21:53 |
| owh | These early mornings are going to kill me one day :) | 21:54 |
| mathiaz | alright then. See ya next week | 21:54 |
| mathiaz | thanks all for being here. | 21:55 |
| mathiaz | And happy alpha6 testing ! :) | 21:55 |
| sommer | thanks mathiaz, later all | 21:55 |
| owh | Thanks mathiaz | 21:55 |
| mathiaz | #endmeeting | 21:55 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 21:55. | 21:55 |
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