[00:17] <nalioth> LjL: just issued a +e in #ubuntu 
[00:17] <nalioth> please be watchful
[00:17] <LjL> nalioth, sorry, let me give a demonstration
[00:18] <LjL> actually, if i give the demonstration the bots will have to forget about the one i just let in
[00:18] <nalioth> it's ok
[00:18] <LjL> nalioth, perhaps if i had the bots do that instead of just setting a +e myself, it's because there is no need to be watchful that way
[00:21] <Seeker`> !modes
[00:21] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[00:29] <LjL> i'll explain how this works, as i guess seeing a +e is a bit offsetting
[00:29] <LjL> the bots are in #ubuntu-proxy-users (well, no, they aren't right now, because first Mibbit needs to fix a little problem - but pretend they are)
[00:30] <LjL> when someone joins from an "identifying" web gateway, that is one which provides a way to know the user's *real* host (currently, that's Mibbit)
[00:30] <LjL> a +e is set on that session only (so they can't join like a dozen clones - only that session)
[00:30] <LjL> and they are informed that they have been granted an exempt to join #ubuntu
[00:31] <LjL> when they part, or are kicked, or are banned/muted, the exempt is removed
[00:31] <LjL> before setting the +e, in any case, their real host is checked against the bans list: if it's banned, the +e is not granted
[00:42] <Seeker`> makes sense
[02:13] <Pici> fun
[02:14]  * mneptok doesw the splits
[02:35] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !netsplits is <alias> netsplit
[02:52] <mneptok> 24 hur instaban for trying !twss in -offtopic. good idea?
[02:52] <mneptok> *hour
[02:53] <Pici> How about aliasing twss to a reason why it should be used.
[02:54] <mneptok> if that trigger returns *anything* i think we're asking for trouble
[04:06] <ubotu> prince_jammys called the ops in #ubuntu (Strawberryjam)
[04:08] <nickrud> mneptok: don't you ever sleep?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> no
[04:09] <mneptok> nickrud: i figure ill catch up on sleep when i die
[04:10] <nickrud> huh. I just had imagemagik open a picture in firefox. Weird
[05:19] <Cpudan80> Hey guys
[05:19] <Cpudan80> see HILLARY_CLINTON in #ubuntu
[06:12] <Myrtti> what the heck
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> geez, lots of splits today
[07:40] <jussi01> where did it go???
[07:46] <Hobbsee> lost
[07:46] <Hobbsee> still lots of netsplits, even though teh connections in are fine
[07:46] <Hobbsee> the test bot keeps dropping in and out too
[07:59] <Hobbsee> flooodbots are acting up again
[07:59] <Hobbsee> LjL: ping
[08:01]  * Hobbsee deops them
[09:02] <Jucato> ubotwo`: join #kubuntu
[09:08] <jussi01> Jucato: Ill bring my bot in. please kick when ubotu gets back
[09:08] <Jucato> thanks
[09:09] <Jucato> I used to have ubotwo powers :(
[09:09] <jussi01> have you identified to the bot?
[09:13] <Jucato> it doesn't reply at all
[09:14] <Jucato> jussi01: which one is your bot?
[09:14] <jussi01> ubot5
[09:14] <jussi01> in #k now
[09:14] <Jucato> is there an ubotu4? :D
[09:14] <Jucato> ubot4 I mean :)
[09:14] <jussi01> I dont know, but whatever
[09:17] <jussi01> !test
[09:18] <jussi01> muted in here?
[09:18] <Jucato> looks that way...
[09:20] <Amaranth> You guys seen anymore bots?
[09:20] <jussi01> Jucato: do you have super cow powers in #ubuntu?
[09:20] <jussi01> Amaranth: no,
[09:20] <jussi01> Amaranth: are you op in #ubuntu?
[09:21] <Jucato> jussi01: nope
[09:21] <Amaranth> jussi01: Yep
[09:21] <jussi01> Amaranth: ok, I will add ubot5 to #ubuntu if you like, if you could then kick it when ubotu comes back?
[09:22] <Amaranth> eep, ubotu left
[09:22] <Amaranth> alright, i guess that works
[09:32] <Amaranth> hey, wtf
[09:32] <Amaranth> ubotu is still alive and in other channels
[09:32] <jussi01> umm really?
[09:32] <jussi01> where?
[09:32] <Jucato> #kubuntu-devel for one O.o
[09:33] <jussi01> not alive to me...
[09:34] <jussi01> doesnt respond to pms
[09:35] <jussi01> Jucato: wth is going on there??
[09:36] <Jucato> no idea :(
[09:37] <jussi01> anyway, i need to be going soon. if ubot5 does anything weird, please kick/ name ban if necessary. Ill be gone for a good few hours. 
[09:38] <Jucato> sure
[09:38] <Jucato> and thanks
[09:39] <jussi01> no probs
[09:40] <jussi01> (just dont ip ban, as thats me as well)
[09:40]  * Jucato snaps fingres
[09:40] <Jucato> fingers even
[09:42] <jussi01> oh, and dont tell anyone about @why :P
[09:43]  * jussi01 -> gone
[09:49] <jussi01> Jucato: back for a sec, you now have control of the bot, if need be. so any rogue factoids etc. its not identified to services, so no pm replies. 
[09:50] <Jucato> hm.. ok :)
[09:51]  * jussi01 -> really gone now
[09:59] <Seeker`> @way?
[09:59] <Seeker`> *@why?
[10:00] <stdin> jussi01: you still here?
[10:13] <Mez> LjL, ping
[10:13] <Mez> and Pici, I guess too
[10:15] <jussi01> stdin: back for a few mins, whats up?
[10:16] <stdin> jussi01: you should probably put the bot in here, so we can see when ops is called, and in -monitor too
[10:17] <stdin> can it do what ubotu does, show the message after the | ?
[10:18] <jussi01> ubot5: join #ubuntu-ops-monitor
[10:18] <stdin> it's in there now :)
[10:19] <jussi01> yeah, its just rying to find that as a factoid also
[10:21] <jussi01> !test | stdin, like this?
[10:21] <stdin> jussi01: no, like when someone calls ops | some reason
[10:22] <jussi01> stdin: Im not sure. Ive never tried calling ops with it. 
[10:22] <jussi01> well that worked. 
[10:22] <jussi01> stdin: no. 
[10:23] <stdin> well, at least there's a notice in here now
[10:23] <jussi01> yep
[10:24] <Mez> jussi01, replacement? why cant Seveas's code just be dropped over ?
[10:24] <Mez> wait, where is ubotu ?
[10:24] <jussi01> Mez: ubotu is missing. hence ubot5 
[10:24] <jussi01> replacement = fill in
[10:24] <Mez> * [ubotu] (n=ubotu@ubuntu-nl.org): Ubotu
[10:24] <Mez> * [ubotu] #ubuntuforums #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu #kubuntu-devel #edubuntu #ubuntu-classroom #xubuntu 
[10:25] <stdin> it's not joining most channels for some reason
[10:26] <jussi01> hehe, I think i just figured it out. ubotu doesnt seem to be identified, so its not respondng to pm?
[10:26] <stdin> also ubotwo` isn't responding, and no one here has access to ubot3
[10:26] <stdin> it responds to me :)
[10:26] <jussi01> do you have pm from unregged users on?
[10:27] <stdin> of course
[10:27] <Mez> yes, as do I
[10:27] <Mez> er, I think it might have been an issue with the netsplit last night
[10:27] <stdin> it's generally a Good Thing(tm) for an op
[10:27] <Mez> I think also, if a staff member kills it, it should come back, identify and rejoin
[10:27] <jussi01> hence it responds to you. can we make it identify somehow?
[10:28] <jussi01> anyone remember the irssi command to turn it on?
[10:28] <Mez> jussi01, /msg nickserv set filtered off
[10:28] <stdin> *unfiltered on
[10:28] <Mez> oh lol
[10:28] <Mez> hehe
[10:28] <jussi01> done :)
[10:29] <Mez> LjL and Seveas are the only people who can make it identify
[10:30] <jussi01> someone call Seveas... :P
[10:30]  * Mez sends him a text message
[10:32] <Mez> Right, he's got an SMS waiting for him
[10:32] <Mez> ah, fone not on
[10:32] <jussi01> heh
[10:35] <Mez> weird, my sisters cute colleague added me on Myspace
[10:36] <jussi01> meh... myspace... :P
[10:37] <jussi01> Mez: are you into that social networking stuff? if so, could I have an opinion?
[10:38] <Mez> jussi01, "into" it, no - "use it", yes, "create it" yes
[10:39] <jussi01> Mez: aye, got you. can you give me an opinion of what you think about the site the company I work for is developing? (if you want an invite tell me and Ill send you one) www.lifematta.com
[10:42] <Mez> jussi01, Don't know if I'm the person to ask, seeing as I'm actually working on Social Networking code right now, so professionally, I shouldn't really comment
[10:43] <jussi01> Mez: ahh, fair enough. :)
[10:43] <Mez> I will have a brief lookn though
[10:43] <jussi01> Mez: curiosity, can you reveal which social networking site? (ok if not)
[10:44] <Mez> jussi01, it's the social networking stuff for vBulletin
[10:44] <Mez> jussi01, my first thought is "what the hell does this do"
[10:45] <Mez> It doesnt seem to be made clearly on the front page, or on the about page
[10:45] <jussi01> hehe
[10:45] <jussi01> ok, good point
[10:47] <Mez> Forum needs more styling, looks like it's broken, 
[10:47] <jussi01> yeah. I agree with that
[10:47] <jussi01> the whole site needs tweaking, its nly about 1 week old
[10:48] <Mez> Navigation back to a users page, and around that users profile isn't exactly intuitive
[10:48] <Mez> and it seems a little like a WAYN clone.
[10:48] <jussi01> Mez: btw, I thought "LifeMatta is a service for sharing location information and multimedia from the mobile phone with friends." was reasonably clear?
[10:49] <Mez> jussi01, too many buzzwords, sounds like marketing speak instead of "telling the end user what we do" speak
[10:49] <jussi01> aye
[10:50] <Mez> "Tell and show people where you are and what you're doing"
[10:52] <jussi01> Mez: care to join me in #dib5sn? probably better to chat there than here
[11:38] <Amaranth> jussi01: I don't see the point of this website
[11:38] <Amaranth> Then again I don't see the point of twitter either
[11:38] <Amaranth> Reminds me not to work on anymore social networks
[11:38] <Amaranth> err, remind
[11:39] <jussi01> Amaranth: hehe, fair enough. some people love it, some hate it
[11:39]  * Seeker` dislikes web dev
[11:40] <Amaranth> it's a google maps + flickr mashup?
[11:41] <Amaranth> Also, isn't social networking kind of broken if you have more than one site for it? :P
[11:41] <jussi01> Amaranth: sort of, but the real bit is the realtime uploading from the mobile phone - meaning you dont have to do _anything_ just have your mobile with you.
[11:41] <jussi01> huh?
[11:41] <Amaranth> Same argument as launchpad
[11:41] <Amaranth> If we had a million installs of launchpad the whole point of the thing would be gone
[11:42] <jussi01> I dont follow... (kinda tired here)
[11:43] <jussi01> the idea is that it is an add on to current sites etc, not a replacement
[11:43] <jussi01> soon there willbe facebook integration
[13:50] <LjL> uh... was there a "little" split?
[13:50] <stdin> just a wee one
[13:50] <Pici> LjL: When?
[13:51] <LjL> Pici: 7:37
[13:52] <LjL> and before, 4:30
[13:52] <LjL> but the 7:37 one made the bots totally panick
[13:52] <Pici> LjL: What timezone?
[13:52] <LjL> Pici: UTC
[13:53] <Pici> LjL: Ah, yes.  That was when a third of freenode fell off.
[13:53] <LjL> Pici: i see, a little split.
[13:53] <Pici> Or at least, it seemed like that.
[13:57] <Jucato> ubotu is still AWOL except in #kubuntu-devel btw
[13:57] <Pici> And #ubuntuforums #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu
[13:58] <Jucato> whoa? is ubotu +i now? didn't notice that :)
[13:58] <LjL> Jucato: always been for a long time :)
[13:58] <LjL> who's ubot5?
[13:58] <Jucato> jussi01's
[13:59] <Jucato> because ubotwo` isn't working either
[13:59] <Pici> What about ubot3?
[13:59] <LjL> seems working to me
[13:59] <Jucato> I must have been gone that long....
[13:59] <LjL> !test
[13:59] <ubotwo`> Fbiled.
[13:59] <Jucato> a while ago it wasn't
[13:59] <Jucato> I mean when jussi01 put ubot5 in
[14:09] <stdin> well ubotwo` isn't responding to /msg's
[14:09] <LjL> does for me...
[14:10] <LjL> ubotu is also up and running, but not identified
[14:11] <Pici> Nether is ubot5
[14:11] <LjL> Pici: but in ubotu's case i guess that means it can only join a limited number of channels
[14:11] <Pici> LjL: I don't think the two issues are related
[14:12] <LjL> Pici: hm?
[14:12] <LjL> Pici, ubotu is working, it's not even lagged
[14:12] <LjL> it's just that  [Whois] ubotu is a user on channels: #kubuntu-devel #kubuntu-kde4 #ubuntu-classroom #ubuntu-motu
[14:12] <LjL> (of course it's on more than that)
[14:13] <LjL> i think it would help if staff could ghost it :)
[14:15] <Pici> hay there
[14:15] <LjL> Pici: see? it's at maximum channel #
[14:15] <Pici> LjL: ahhh
[14:15] <LjL> i had to make it part another channel to join here
[14:15] <Pici> LjL: I misunderstood.
[14:15] <Pici> LjL: do you have @reconnect power?
[14:16] <LjL> Pici: no
[14:16] <Pici> hm
[14:16] <LjL> Pici: i should be able to ask it to identify to nickserv, but that doesn't seem to be working either
[14:17] <Pici> wakka wakka wakka
[14:18] <LjL> Pici: hah i made it
[14:18] <LjL> Pici: little trick was asking it to change nickname
[14:18] <LjL> still now i don't know what the original channel list was *sigh*
[14:20] <LjL> jussi01: make 5 part and tell me which channels it's on please
[14:24] <Pici> LjL: @config supybot.networks.freenode.channels
[14:24] <Pici> @config supybot.networks.freenode.channels
[14:25] <ubotu> #bzr #edubuntu #falcon #jokosher #kubuntu #kubuntu-devel #kubuntu-kde4 #kubuntu-offtopic #kubuntu-testers #launchpad #launchpad-meeting #ubuntu #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu-accessibility #ubuntu-artwork #ubuntu-au #ubuntu-bots #ubuntu-bugs #ubuntu-ca #ubuntu-chicago #ubuntu-classroom #ubuntu-desktop #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-doc #ubuntu-gr #ubuntu-il #ubuntu-in #ubuntu-installer #ubuntu-ir #ubuntu-irc #ubuntu-iso #ubuntu-kernel (2 more messages)
[14:25] <Pici> @more
[14:25] <Pici> @more
[14:25] <LjL> pici, thought that command was privileges
[14:25] <ubotu> #ubuntu-lb #ubuntu-locoteams #ubuntu-marketing #ubuntu-meeting #ubuntu-midwest #ubuntu-mobile #ubuntu-motu #ubuntu-motu-torrent #ubuntu-mozillateam #ubuntu-mythtv #ubuntu-mythtv-dev #ubuntu-ni #ubuntu-nl #ubuntu-no #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-ohio #ubuntu-ops #ubuntu-ops-monitor #ubuntu-proxy-users #ubuntu-read-topic #ubuntu-release #ubuntu-release-party #ubuntu-server #ubuntu-testing #ubuntu-uk #ubuntu-unregged (1 more message)
[14:25] <ubotu> #ubuntu-us #ubuntu-us-az #ubuntu-us-co #ubuntu-us-ga #ubuntu-us-mi #ubuntu-us-mn #ubuntu-us-oh #ubuntu-virginia #ubuntu-wine #ubuntu-x #ubuntu-youth #ubuntuforums #ubuntuforums-beginners #ubuntuforums-hardware #ubuntustudio #xubuntu #xubuntu-devel #xubuntu-offtopic
[14:25] <LjL> Pici: still ubotu's list is not complete - it's just the channels i made it join now
[14:25] <LjL> or, not...
[14:25] <Pici> LjL: thats @channels, and yes, this *should* be locked down
[14:25] <LjL> Pici: yeah
[14:41] <LjL> ubotu should be back into all channels it used to be, please tell me if that's not the case
[15:15] <popey> can !envy please be reworded to be less terse and dismissive?
[15:15] <PriceChild> !envy
[15:15] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:16] <PriceChild> Wow that's better than it was... what do you suggest?
[15:16] <popey> i dunno, I just don't like the wording
[15:16] <popey> it smacks of "you're too stupid to do this properly"
[15:17] <popey> and after a discussion in #ubuntu-uk it seems that even some semi-intelligent people use it :)
[15:17] <popey> specifically for the ATI driver
[15:17] <Mez> popey, who do you count as semi intelligent and using it
[15:17] <Mez> :P
[15:18] <popey> not you, don't worry :)
[15:18] <PriceChild> The way I read it, I see it saying that envy is pants.
[15:18] <Mez> popey, I know, I'm not using it
[15:18] <popey> indeed
[15:18] <popey> "Envy is a 3rd party tool to assist in the installation of binary video drivers. Some people find it helpful for keeping up with new drivers that aren't yet in the official repositories. Use at your own risk."
[15:19] <popey> how about that?
[15:20] <LjL> it should be clear that we aren't going to support a system where envy is used
[15:20] <popey> would we support a system where someone had installed a binary driver from nvidia.com or ati.com ?
[15:20] <LjL> no
[15:20] <PriceChild> nope
[15:20] <popey> so it shouldn't have any different status than that then
[15:21] <PriceChild> is there an nvidia.com factoid you can reference to show what it shouldn't be any different form?
[15:21] <LjL> popey: it may give a false impression that it's actually doing things the correct was, as opposed to installing manually
[15:21] <popey> "Envy is a 3rd party tool to assist in the installation of binary video drivers. Some people find it helpful for keeping up with new drivers that aren't yet in the official repositories. Use at your own risk. We generally recommend people install binary video drivers from the repository, not from the vendor website or from 3rd party tools"
[15:22] <popey> LjL: what makes you think envy does anything any _less_ _or_ _more_ evil than vendor supplied drivers?
[15:22] <popey> it's better in some ways in that it has a nice uninstaller
[15:22] <Myrtti> yeah, my samsung mfp has a nice uninstaller too
[15:22] <Myrtti> too bad the whole installer is crap and it can't unmake the mistakes it's done itself
[15:22] <LjL> popey, i said it gives an *impression*
[15:23] <LjL> !envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:23] <ubotu> But envy already means something else!
[15:23] <LjL> !no envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:23] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[15:23] <PriceChild> We suggest packages from the repository. If someone is trusting to install ubuntu, they install those packages.
[15:23] <Mez> !envy
[15:23] <ubotu> envy is an unsupported tool to install newer versions of binary video drivers than provided by the official repositories. Use at your own risk, and remember that the latest version is not necessarily the "best". See « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[15:23] <LjL> popey: it tells me "hey look this will generate a .deb for you, that you can install like anything else", so i start to believe it's safe to use
[15:24] <Daviey> erm, ati driver from ati.com _can_ produce a deb
[15:24] <Daviey> i assumed that is what envy did, just scripting the process together
[15:25] <PriceChild> We suggest packages from the repository. If someone is trusting to install ubuntu, they install those packages.
[15:26] <Daviey> think you said that one
[15:26] <PriceChild> twice
[15:49] <Amaranth> EnvyNG (hardy only) is very sane and safe to use
[15:49] <Amaranth> well, as safe as installing a new driver can be (bugs in the driver)
[15:56] <Pici> Amaranth: Is there a Envy (non NG) for hardy?
[15:57] <Amaranth> no
[16:05] <jpatrick> NOOO^^
[16:06] <LjL> don't despair, it's back already
[16:36] <mrunagi> hi
[16:36] <Seeker`> hi
[16:36] <mrunagi> just wondering if i get my ban lifted today
[16:42] <jussi01> hi all
[16:42] <jussi01> ubot5: part
[16:42] <jpatrick> hi jussi01 
[16:42] <jussi01> hi jpatrick 
[16:44] <jussi01> was ubot5 removed from #kubuntu and #ubuntu? or did Jucato part it?
[16:44] <Jucato> removed. didn't get to part it :(
[16:44] <Jucato> [22:31] <-- ubot5 has left this channel (requested by LjL).
[16:44] <Jucato> jussi01: ^^^
[16:45] <jussi01> ok. thanks. Ill go make sure it doesnt auto join next time. thanks
[17:09] <nalioth> what happened to the 4th ubot* ?
[17:09] <nalioth> and who does ubot5 belong to?
[17:09] <Pici> ubot5?
[17:09] <jdong> there's ubot2many!
[17:09] <Pici> @lart jdong 
[17:09] <Pici> nalioth: er, I mean its jussi01's
[17:12] <LjL> here we go again
[17:13] <Seeker`> whats with all the netsplits today?
[17:13] <Pici> There was a wallop about DDoSes earlier.
[17:14] <Pici> I don't know if this is the same problem though
[17:14] <Seeker`> didn't see it
[17:14] <Seeker`> ah, yes, seen it now
[17:24] <Pici> well, ubotu is in #ubuntu, but with a tail and un-identified
[17:26] <LjL> Pici: it's just happening again, will have to rejoin it to everything, argh
[17:28] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL, I know you are busy, but when you get a chance, explain what is happening.. or is it just some major split
[17:28] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: major split
[17:28] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks
[17:31] <LjL> Jack_Sparrow: i know as much as everyone else i'm afraid
[17:34] <Jack_Sparrow> ok, thanks
[17:43] <mrunagi> so i was just wondering if today is the big day
[17:44] <LjL> what big day
[17:44] <mrunagi> the big ban lift day
[17:44] <mrunagi> yay!
[17:45] <LjL> forget it... i never said you could ban evade and misbehave again while doing it, during the time you were banned
[17:45] <mrunagi> um.......what?
[17:45] <LjL> you know what
[17:45] <mrunagi> do i?
[17:45] <mrunagi> or did i just ask what for fun
[17:45] <LjL> you know what.
[17:46] <LjL> you were back with two attempts at ban evasion.
[17:46] <mrunagi> i dont believe i was
[17:46] <mrunagi> but you are the all knowing op
[17:46] <mrunagi> i can never disagree
[17:46] <LjL> indeed, it would be no use.
[17:46] <mrunagi> of course not
[17:46] <mrunagi> ops are ALWAYS right
[17:46] <mrunagi> and NEVER listen to reason
[17:46] <mrunagi> if i was to ban evade i would get on my cell phone
[17:46] <LjL> reason is not coming back with a different ident.
[17:47] <mrunagi> you dont know my situation
[17:47] <mrunagi> nor will you listen
[17:47] <LjL> no, the time for listening has long gone.
[17:47] <mrunagi> there was never time for listening
[17:47] <mrunagi> there never is
[17:47] <LjL> bye
[17:47] <mrunagi> if you are wrong you dont want to hear it
[17:47] <mrunagi> becase ops are NEVER wrong
[17:47] <mrunagi> which is bull
[17:47] <mrunagi> you should ban me not my server
[17:47] <LjL> i told you already
[17:47] <Pici> mrunagi: How do you want us to do that?
[17:47] <LjL> comcast doesn't allow you to put on a server
[17:47] <Pici> Magic?
[17:48] <mrunagi> ban my nick  not my server
[17:48] <LjL> so don't come up with lame excuses nobody is going to believe
[17:48] <LjL> i don't think so
[17:48] <mrunagi> of course you dont
[17:48] <mrunagi> you dont listen to reason
[17:48] <mrunagi> you are NEVER wrong
[17:49] <Pici> Crazy today..
[17:50] <LjL> [18:50:02] <mrunagi> i didnt fucknig ban evande you piece of shit jackass
[17:50] <Pici> I don't think he gets it.
[17:50] <LjL> search for "waynrdude" in the tracker
[17:50] <Pici> Although I do think that we should have re-banned as soon as we knew he was evading.
[17:51] <mrunagi> so thats how you run things
[17:51] <mrunagi> your word is THE word
[17:51] <mrunagi> wrong or not
[17:51] <mrunagi> and then kick people when there is wrong doing
[17:52] <Pici> mrunagi: Do you have anything constructive to contribute here?
[17:52] <mrunagi> yea i do
[17:52] <mrunagi> if i am allowed
[17:52] <mrunagi> i dont know what i can and cant do
[17:52] <mrunagi> im wrong no matter what
[17:52] <mrunagi> 1 + 1 = 2........if an op says its 3 then its 3
[17:52] <LjL> mrunagi: do you have anything constructive to contribute here?
[17:52]  * stdin emphasises the word "constructive" there
[17:52] <mrunagi> if you have a problem with me then ban me dont ban my business
[17:52] <mrunagi> i was NOT ban evading
[17:53] <mrunagi> i wasnt IN here in the past 2 days
[17:53] <mrunagi> rephrase
[17:53] <mrunagi> i wasnt ON irc in the past 2 days
[17:53] <mrunagi> i dont care what LjL THINKS
[17:53] <stdin> please, ease up on the enter key and the CAPS
[17:53] <LjL> mrunagi: if your business has a server connecting using comcast, then you're against the terms of services anyway.
[17:53] <LjL> mrunagi: and you're responsible for your internet address, in any case.
[17:53] <mrunagi> why
[17:53] <LjL> your connection is banned.
[17:53] <LjL> there's nothing you can do about it right now.
[17:54] <mrunagi> um.......
[17:54] <LjL> if you have something else, then please state it, else leave.
[17:54] <mrunagi> you said you wouldnt lift my ban because i was ban evading
[17:54] <mrunagi> therefore i have an issue here
[17:54] <mrunagi> because i was not ban evading
[17:54] <LjL> you really cannot claim that.
[17:54] <Pici> mrunagi: Theres a few things going on here.  Not just an instance of ban evasion.
[17:54] <mrunagi> i can claim whatever i want to claim when its the truth
[17:55] <mrunagi> if i wanted to evade i would have evaded
[17:55] <Pici> I dont like overusing this phrase but:  Whatever.
[17:55] <LjL> [Wed Mar 5 2008] [01:26:10] Join        camserver has joined this channel (n=camserv@c-67-167-160-147.hsd1.tn.comcast.net).
[17:55] <LjL> [Wed Mar 5 2008] [01:26:10] Part        camserver has left this channel (requested by ChanServ).
[17:55] <mrunagi> and?
[17:55] <LjL> [Wed Mar 5 2008] [01:28:53] Join        mrunagi has joined this channel (n=mrunagi@c-67-167-160-147.hsd1.mi.comcast.net).
[17:55] <LjL> [Wed Mar 5 2008] [01:29:00] <mrunagi>   thank you nosrednaekim
[17:55] <LjL> [Wed Mar 5 2008] [01:29:13] <nosrednaekim>      mrunagi» for?
[17:55] <LjL> [Wed Mar 5 2008] [01:29:20] <mrunagi>   <----------camserver
[17:55] <mrunagi> its not me
[17:55] <LjL> HAHAHA
[17:56] <Pici> c-67-167-160-147.hsd1.tn.comcast.net is your connection.
[17:56] <mrunagi> what?!
[17:56] <Pici> You're on that right now.
[17:56] <mrunagi> there are 7 people working in this building
[17:56] <LjL> mrunagi: don't be ridiculous, you *stated* it was you.
[17:56] <LjL> really, enough time wasted.
[17:56] <LjL> bye.
[17:56] <mrunagi> WTF!
[17:56] <mrunagi> this is stupid
[17:56] <mrunagi> you wont listen to anyone
[17:56] <Pici> We're only going on what evidence we have.
[17:56] <mrunagi> if you think you are right then you are right
[17:56] <LjL> [18:50:29] <mrunagi> maybe if you were a good fucking op you would actually listen to people you piece of shit
[17:56] <mrunagi> that is stupid
[17:56] <mrunagi> i dont care!
[17:56] <mrunagi> i asked you if you are banning me, my nick, or my 
[17:58] <jussi01> poor stdin 
[17:58] <stdin> tab completion is stupid ;P
[17:58] <jussi01> LOL
[17:59] <Pici> tab completion is stdin 
[17:59]  * jussi01 waits for him to pop up somewhere else
[18:03] <pleia2> he's in #xubuntu complaining
[18:03] <Pici> ah, I'm not in ther
[18:04] <pleia2> of course he's stopped now :) but his language was not nice at all
[18:05] <Pici> aww
[18:05] <LjL> i'm sure it wasn't, i'll pass on there though
[18:09] <mrunagi_> IF YOU ASK ME OP ETHIC NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED
[18:09] <mrunagi_> big time
[18:11] <Pici> Maybe let him in here but leave him muted?
[18:11] <LjL> Pici: i'm sure he can come back
[18:12] <Pici> I'm sure as well.
[18:12] <no0tic> now, he certainly ban evaded :)
[18:13] <LjL> no0tic: it's only the fourth time by now
[18:14] <Pici> LjL: #freenode
[18:14] <no0tic> LjL, and he still claims he didn't 
[18:16] <no0tic> wow, klined
[18:17] <mrunagi_> so where do i file a complaint against ops that abuse their power
[18:17] <mrunagi_> and when you  ban someone are you banning the person, the nick, or the server
[18:17] <PriceChild> mrunagi_: ubuntu has a conflict resolution process, leme find the link.
[18:18] <LjL> or not
[18:19] <mrunagi_> anyone answer the question?
[18:19] <mrunagi_> no?
[18:21] <Seeker`> Why does he keep on getting K-lined
[18:21] <Gary> 'cos he keeps k-line evading?
[18:22] <Seeker`> but what caused the initial K-line?
[18:22] <credible> erm was there a reason for nixternal to be k-lined? O_o
[18:24] <Pici> credible: hes on comcast
[18:25] <PriceChild> Seeker`: I assume lots of ban evasion
[18:26] <Seeker`> How does he keep on comin gback without changing his host?
[18:26] <LjL> Seeker`: look carefully at the hostnames
[18:26] <Seeker`> ah, they are changing
[18:26] <Seeker`> some look very similar at a quick glance
[18:27] <LjL> for some reason, comcast is stupid enough to give the same IP a slightly different reverse hostname
[18:29] <Seeker`> :(
[18:30] <nalioth> for the same IP, even
[18:32] <Giuggi_> someone know when Lollo's ban expire?
[18:32] <Pici> Giuggi_: Bans don't expire.
[18:32] <Pici> They need to be lifted manually.
[18:33] <Seveas> <-- ubotu has quit (Client Quit)
[18:33] <Seveas> that was me
[18:33] <Pici> I figured. 
[18:33] <Seveas> it's on its way back
[18:33] <Giuggi_> ...sorry, I used maybe a wrong word
[18:33] <Giuggi_> a ban can disappear?
[18:34] <Seveas> Giuggi_, someone can lift a ban
[18:34] <LjL> Seveas: "client quit" kind of gives it out
[18:34] <LjL> Giuggi_, why doesn't your friend come here to ask himself?
[18:34] <Giuggi_> what is the meaning of "lift"?
[18:34] <Seveas> Giuggi_, remove
[18:34] <Pici> Giuggi_: remove.
[18:34] <nixternal> who was the idiot behind my kline?
[18:34] <Giuggi_> ...I don't know ...
[18:34] <Giuggi_> I ask him
[18:34]  * Pici doesn't point at nalioth 
[18:35] <Giuggi_> because he's banned, I think
[18:35] <LjL> Giuggi_, not from this channel
[18:35] <Pici> Giuggi_: what issue are you talking about now?
[18:36] <Pici> Giuggi_: er, nevermind, I misread.
[18:36] <nalioth> nixternal: you unfortunately have nasty neighbors
[18:36] <nixternal> we all do, but that still isn't enough reason for me to get klined
[18:36] <nixternal> everybody with a . in this hostmask has nasty neighbors
[18:36] <nixternal> s/this/their
[18:37] <Amaranth> nixternal: finger slipped? :)
[18:37] <LjL> hi LollinopiL
[18:38] <nixternal> hahahaha
[18:38] <Seveas> nixternal, someone klined *!*@*, that was fun
[18:38] <LollinopiL> hi everyone .... please can u delete my ban from ubuntu's channel ? 
[18:38] <LjL> LollinopiL, not that easy
[18:38] <nixternal> hehe, they did that the other day on OFTC
[18:38] <nixternal> and they said it was a boog
[18:38] <LjL> LollinopiL: why did you spam that link several times?
[18:38] <LollinopiL> i've only spammed a youtube video 
[18:38] <LjL> LollinopiL: "only"? you've done it *twice*, in several channels
[18:39] <LollinopiL> uhm sry ... buy i was excited by compiz's power .. !
[18:39] <nixternal> that was my first kline ever...damnit nalioth you ruined my record for 0 klines in roughly 15 years
[18:39] <LollinopiL> i need ubuntu's help ... i've leaved completely winzoz !
[18:39] <LollinopiL> left*
[18:39] <LjL> LollinopiL: windows*
[18:39] <LollinopiL> yep
[18:39] <PriceChild> LollinopiL: I may be thinking of someone else, but you put this in more than #ubuntu didn't you?
[18:40] <LollinopiL> yes
[18:40] <nalioth> nixternal: i can include you in all future klines, if you wish...  ( you can hold the record for "most klines and still welcome" )
[18:40] <LjL> PriceChild: yes, -ot, something else... two consecutive days
[18:40] <LollinopiL> let's enable only ubuntu one if u want
[18:40] <nixternal> hey, a new record!
[18:40] <LollinopiL> ubuntu channel ... 
[18:40] <PriceChild> LjL: as well as other channels like #freenode and #defocus?
[18:40] <Pici> PriceChild: I think so. At least #defocus
[18:40] <LjL> PriceChild, not that i noticed
[18:41] <Amaranth> Everyone gets excited about compiz :)
[18:41] <Amaranth> Except the poor maintainers and the main bug triager
[18:41] <vorian> lol
[18:41] <Amaranth> I may be biased here
[18:41] <LjL> PriceChild: but, yes (#freenode at least)
[18:41] <Amaranth> Just a little bit
[18:41] <LollinopiL> uhm yep ... so do i have some hopes to enter again in ubuntu chan to have some help ? 
[18:42] <LollinopiL> cm on it wasn't an offtopic video too loool !
[18:42] <LjL> LollinopiL, it was an offtopic video.
[18:42] <LjL> #ubuntu is a support channel
[18:42] <Amaranth> LollinopiL: All youtube videos are offtopic :)
[18:42] <LjL> #ubuntu-offtopic is for non-support stuff
[18:42] <LjL> and you *knew* about #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:42] <Amaranth> And #ubuntu-offtopic is sick of me talking about compiz already :P
[18:42] <LollinopiL> yes i know it guys, i was joking :)
[18:43] <LjL> LollinopiL: why don't you register to freenode, by the way?
[18:43] <LollinopiL> however ... what's your answer ? can i join ub support channel again ?
[18:43] <LollinopiL> what's freenode ?
[18:43] <LjL> LollinopiL: freenode is the IRC network you are on.
[18:43] <LjL> !freenode
[18:43] <LjL> !register
[18:43] <LjL> LollinopiL: (second, bot is lagging)
[18:43] <ubotu> freenode is the IRC network that you're on! See http://freenode.net/faq.shtml
[18:43] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[18:43] <LollinopiL> uhm i didn't know i had to reg
[18:44] <LjL> LollinopiL: you don't *have* to, but that will give you a unique identity on the network, and it will allow you to send private messages to other people
[18:44] <LollinopiL> okz i'll do it
[18:44] <LjL> LollinopiL: i would like you to read our guidelines, too
[18:44] <LjL> !etiquette > LollinopiL    (LollinopiL, see the private message from Ubotu)
[18:44] <LjL> LollinopiL: please come back when you have read everything in there, and tell us if you have any questions
[18:45] <LollinopiL> i've a question now before the reading 
[18:45] <LollinopiL> are you
[18:45] <LollinopiL> a member of the Community Council ? uhuhuhuhuh
[18:45] <LjL> no, i am not
[18:45] <LollinopiL> ( i'm reading an ubuntu's book )
[18:45] <LollinopiL> oh okz
[18:46] <LollinopiL> but you're an ubuntero 
[18:46] <LollinopiL> ok i go to read
[18:48] <Amaranth> LjL: Aren't you on the IRC Council?
[18:48] <Amaranth> Wow I really need to keep up with these things
[18:48] <LjL> Amaranth: he asked about the community council
[18:48] <LollinopiL> yeah
[18:48] <LollinopiL> only the best in the CC
[18:49] <Amaranth> LjL: Right, but the CC is not directly involved or responsible for IRC :)
[18:49] <Pici> Amaranth: I think he was just curious.
[18:49] <LollinopiL> but it meets in IRC
[18:49] <LollinopiL> yes 
[18:52] <LollinopiL> where can i register my nick ?
[18:52] <Pici> !register | LollinopiL 
[18:52] <ubotu> LollinopiL: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[18:52] <LollinopiL> don't findi it in bot's messages
[18:53] <Pici> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[18:53] <LjL> i gave it before...
[18:53] <LollinopiL> oh okz
[18:53] <LollinopiL> i go to dinner, then i'll do it 
[18:53] <LollinopiL> 10 min and i come back ;)
[18:55] <LjL> ok, see you
[19:00] <LoLLo> ok
[19:01] <LoLLo> uhm i think i've registered my nick 
[19:02] <LjL> LoLLo: you're still not identified. you need to /msg chanserv identify <password> (do it in your status window), or even better, put your password as the server password in your IRC client
[19:03] <LoLLo> uhuh LoLLo is already registered
[19:03] <LoLLo> hmmmmmm 
[19:03] <LollinopiL> ok
[19:03] <LjL> LollinopiL: you can ask for LoLLo to be dropped, it's old
[19:03] <nalioth> LollinopiL: if you want lollo, /nick to it
[19:04] <LollinopiL> now i do /nick ?
[19:04] <LoLLo> well
[19:04] <LoLLo> nono i keep the other
[19:04] <LollinopiL> okok
[19:04] <nalioth> LollinopiL: see PM
[19:05] <LjL> LoLLo: as you prefer. you should have two, anyway, one primary and one secondary
[19:05] <LjL> at least, it's better to have two
[19:05] <LollinopiL> uhm okz
[19:06] <LoLLo> ok i've registerd 2 nick
[19:06] <LoLLo> now ?
[19:06] <LjL> LoLLo: now you should link them. which one do you want as primary?
[19:07] <LoLLo> i must write here nick and password ? i keep LoLLo as primary
[19:07] <LjL> LoLLo: then « /msg nickserv link LoLLo <password> » (NO, not here)
[19:07] <LjL> err, i meant to say
[19:08] <LjL> forget that
[19:08] <LjL> LoLLo: 1) /nick LollinopiL
[19:08] <LoLLo> Oo
[19:08] <LjL> LoLLo: 2) /msg nickserv link LoLLo <password>
[19:09] <LjL> LollinopiL: this will help you in case you lose your connection
[19:09] <LjL> !ghost
[19:09] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[19:10] <LollinopiL> done ?
[19:10] <LjL> LollinopiL: i have no idea. you can /nick lollo again if you're done.
[19:11] <LjL> no, it's not done, the two nicknames are still not linked as far as i can see
[19:11] <LoLLo> okok
[19:11] <LoLLo> everything's ok
[19:11] <LjL> LoLLo: well, have you read the ubuntu irc guidelines yet?
[19:12] <LoLLo> well can i join support channel now ?
[19:12] <LoLLo> uhm no, but now i'm reading the book on my bed 
[19:12] <LoLLo> i've read the behaviour rules like nickspam etc etc
[19:12] <LjL> LoLLo, if i let you back in the channel, you will *have* to follow everything in !etiquette, or otherwise you will be banned again
[19:13] <LoLLo> no problem, thx for averything
[19:13] <LoLLo> ever*
[19:13] <LjL> LoLLo: so make sure you read them and don't spam again
[19:13] <LoLLo> sure 
[19:13] <LoLLo> thx and sorry !
[19:14] <LoLLo> everytime i log in i must typ 
[19:14] <LoLLo> type 
[19:15] <LoLLo> msg etc etc ?
[19:15] <LjL> LoLLo: no, you can set it as the server password
[19:15] <LjL> !identify
[19:15] <ubotu> You can identify automatically by using your NickServ password as the server password in your IRC client. When identifying manually, do NOT send the command from a channel's tab, or a typo may give away your password. If that happened, type « /msg NickServ set password <new-password> » in the server tab as soon as possible.
[19:15] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, frank_ said: ubotu, kde4 is KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:15] <LjL> LoLLo: how that's done exactly depends on your IRC client
[19:16] <LjL> !kde4
[19:16] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:16] <LjL> !kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:16] <ubotu> But kde4 already means something else!
[19:16] <Pici> KDE 4.0.X is the latest....
[19:16] <LjL> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:16] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[19:16] <LjL> Pici: better to have the version number, the less confusion the better
[19:16] <LjL> i updated the channel topic but forgot the factoid
[19:16] <Pici> LjL: Right, these are KDE users
[19:17]  * Pici hides
[19:33] <Amaranth> 'To whoever made it so you can't /nick when you're in a channel you can't send to: please die in a chemical fire.'
[19:33] <PriceChild> Gonna give flaccid_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/DisputeResolution. He's just trolling me in pm.
[19:33] <PriceChild> Amaranth: /nick Hello-im-talking-in-a-moderated-channel
[19:34] <PriceChild> Amaranth: /nick you-all-smell
[19:34] <PriceChild> Amaranth: /nick understand-it-now?
[19:34] <Amaranth> PriceChild: /nick ajax-said-it
[19:35] <I-have-no-mouth-> argh :)
[19:36] <Pici> but-i-must-scream?
[19:36] <TheSheep> but-I-must-nick
[19:36] <TheSheep> :)
[19:36] <Pici> ah, :)
[19:36] <TheSheep> executed it by mistake
 you could just /join, /part, change your nick, and repeat.
 all you've done is made nick-spamming _more_ annoying
[19:38] <flaccid_> PriceChild is breaching guidelines and has banned me for claims of breaching guidelines due to lag with ubotu.
[19:38] <flaccid_> this is with #ubuntu
[19:38] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[19:38] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[19:38] <Seeker`> flaccid_: how did he breach guidelines?
[19:38] <Pici> flaccid_: or what does he claim you did?
[19:39] <PriceChild> flaccid_: that is incorrect. I muted you temporarily, then decided not to unmute, and banned after discussion with you in pm.
[19:39] <flaccid_> be considerable, be respectful, be collaborative
[19:40] <flaccid_> i pointed a user to ubotu factoid, ubotu lagged. so i said search the wiki to get the result
[19:40] <flaccid_> PriceChild went a bit crazy from then on
 Hello. How do I setup a crontab to start a media filetype at 6 pm tonight?
[19:41] <Amaranth> gah, lost my place
 learn cron
[19:41] <flaccid_> yeah i know crontab already Amaranth
[19:41] <flaccid_> but thanks anyway
[19:41] <Amaranth> This is a paste from #ubuntu
[19:41] <Amaranth> Don't try to be funny
[19:42] <flaccid_> errr
[19:42] <flaccid_> [Thu Mar 6 2008] [04:38:41] <flaccid_>	!crontab
[19:42] <Pici> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58518/
[19:42] <flaccid_> [Thu Mar 6 2008] [04:39:28] <ubotu>	cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[19:43] <flaccid_> nearly 1 min lag there
[19:43] <Pici> flaccid_: so?
[19:43] <flaccid_> i got banned for it
[19:43] <Pici> flaccid_: no. 
[19:43] <Pici> "14:43:24 <?flaccid_> i got banned for it
[19:43] <Pici> er
[19:43] <Pici> "google is quite helpful
[19:44] <Pici> 12:43:13 <?flaccid_> i also advised to search the wiki which is a primary knowledge base
[19:44] <Pici> 12:43:23 <?flaccid_> what else should i do, spoonfeed?
[19:44] <Pici> 12:43:34 <?flaccid_> i am also a volunteer
[19:44] <Pici> 12:45:18 <?flaccid_> i thought ubotu was lagging
[19:44] <Pici> 12:45:52 <?flaccid_> smells like double standards :p
[19:44] <flaccid_> exactly
[19:44] <Pici> I see we disagree here.
[19:44] <Amaranth> If you don't want to help don't help
[19:45] <Amaranth> Telling people to go search the wiki or google something does not help
[19:45] <flaccid_> how does it not help?
[19:45] <flaccid_> i used ubotu first, then it lagged so  i asked them to search
[19:45] <flaccid_> thats not outside guidelines, thats within guidelines
[19:45] <Pici> flaccid_: They're in IRC not because they want to be told to look through google or the wiki.
[19:45] <Seeker`> flaccid_: Most poeple know they can find stuff on google or the wiki - they come to IRC because they want human help
[19:46] <flaccid_> i understand that
[19:46] <flaccid_> not exactly, i've been helping for over 3 years and not many people search
[19:46] <Pici> flaccid_: The only times that is a valid response is after all other support methods are exhausted.
[19:46] <flaccid_> what are the support methods please Pici
[19:46] <Pici> flaccid_: Actually walking someone through troubleshooting. 
[19:47] <Pici> Or if its something that we have a wiki that walks them through, you can provide them with a link.  
[19:48] <PriceChild> I think its best that this doesn't drag on and a decision of whether I wheteher what he did was against the guidelines or not.
[19:49] <PriceChild> I think it would be good to then sort out any other problems quickly, such as his acccusations against me personally.
[19:49] <Pici> PriceChild: Although one party isn't supposed to be the mediator.... thanks :)
[19:49] <flaccid_> i don't see this in the guidelines
[19:50] <flaccid_> please point me to a URI on "walking someone through troubleshooting"
[19:50] <flaccid_> in the guidelines please
[19:50] <Pici> How about. Listen to the bot: 
[19:50] <Pici> !jfgi
[19:50] <Pici> oh.. it just died, didn't it?
[19:50] <flaccid_> Pici: thats what i did originally. i pointed the user to the correct factoid.
[19:51] <flaccid_> Pici: this is the problem and why PriceChild accused me of insufficient help
[19:51] <flaccid_> because of ubotu lag
[19:51] <Pici> But now that ubotu isn't around, I'm going to provide you with a link to what it would have said, instead of telling you to go find it yourself.
[19:51] <Amaranth> the guidelines basically say "don't be a jerk" and I'd say telling people to go search on google fails that test
[19:52] <flaccid_> but thats not in the guidelines
[19:52] <flaccid_> i can't find the word jerk in there
[19:52] <flaccid_> i gave them the factoid, just like you tried to give me then
[19:52] <Pici> flaccid_: Telling people to RTFM or to "just google it" is not very polite, find them a url or at least give them some directions to documentation they can use.
[19:53] <flaccid_> then on fallback asked them to search the wiki
[19:53] <flaccid_> not google
[19:53] <Pici> flaccid_: Under the "When helping: be helpful" heading
[19:53] <flaccid_> i didn't do that
[19:53] <Pici>  then
[19:53] <Pici> 12:39:06 <?flaccid_> Gibb: google gives all
[19:53] <Amaranth> flaccid_: You're reading the guidelines very strictly
[19:53] <flaccid_> i mean PriceChild gave me !volunteer
[19:54] <Amaranth> flaccid_: Just because you didn't use those exact words doesn't change the intent
[19:54] <flaccid_> my intent was to help a user
[19:54] <flaccid_> so i agree
[19:54] <flaccid_> it is not my fault ubotu is not responding. maybe you should fix that?
[19:55] <Pici> flaccid_: What issues do you have with PriceChild here? What actions has he taken against the guidelines?
[19:55] <flaccid_> i already pointed that out
[19:55] <flaccid_> its more the other way
[19:55] <flaccid_> i tried to help a user and got banned because of ubotu lag
[19:55] <flaccid_> that is not something i should have to take responsibility for
[19:56] <Amaranth> No, you got banned for what you did after ubotu wouldn't give the answer
[19:56] <Pici> flaccid_: But you didn't say "Oh, the bot is lagged, let me find the link", you just told them to look at google
[19:56] <flaccid_> and how would i verify that ubotu was lagged?
[19:56] <Amaranth> It didn't say anything?
[19:56] <flaccid_> say
[19:57] <flaccid_> ?
[19:57] <Amaranth> That's how you tell, it didn't say anything
[19:57] <flaccid_> thats kind of outside the guidelines anyway Amaranth
[19:57] <PriceChild> Amaranth: he was muted temporarily for that.... he was only banned after the pm discussion
[19:57] <flaccid_> right
[19:57] <Amaranth> Could we see that? :)
[19:57] <flaccid_> we are working with something scientific here, not emotions.
[19:57]  * Amaranth hugs ubotu
[19:57] <flaccid_> oh hooray
[19:57] <Amaranth> flaccid_: And the guidelines are not a legal document, they are guidelines
[19:58] <Pici> flaccid_: Do we have to explicitly put 'use common sense' in the guidelines?
[19:58] <PriceChild> Pici: that's in isn't it?
[19:58] <flaccid_> common sense does not equal common practice, you guys have demonstrated that
[19:58] <Pici> PriceChild: Probably, I didnt look too hard.
[19:58] <PriceChild> I will be back in 20 mins
[19:58] <Amaranth> flaccid_: If your interpretation of the guidelines does not match ours that is not our fault.
[19:59] <Amaranth> PriceChild: Hold on a second.
[19:59] <flaccid_> subjectivity and ambiguity will be the problem for you guys forever until you write a proper document.
[19:59] <Amaranth> PriceChild: It'd be useful if we could see a log from the PM
[19:59] <flaccid_> legal or not, it needs to be explicity and not general. i hope you understand that.
[19:59] <Amaranth> flaccid_: No because most people don't have problems because the guidelines are basically "use common sense and don't be a jerk"
[20:00] <flaccid_> Amaranth: you summarised it yourself. you are not everybody.
[20:00] <Amaranth> We only have problems with people that do not do those things and then try to say the guidelines don't say what they did is wrong.
[20:00] <flaccid_> thats your interpretation
[20:00] <flaccid_> its not my fault your guidelines are 'fuzzy'
[20:00] <Pici> flaccid_: We can't put down every single possible iteration of an issue in the 'guidelines'
[20:00] <flaccid_> learn to copy-right
[20:00] <nalioth> flaccid_: explicit documentation would require more paper than any forest could provide.  please don't continue down this path
[20:01] <flaccid_> see a lawyer, do whatever you need to do to fix it
[20:01] <flaccid_> lol
[20:01] <Amaranth> flaccid_: And being in #ubuntu is a privilege, I'm not seeing a problem here.
[20:01] <Amaranth> It is not a right.
[20:01] <flaccid_> isn't that what ubuntu needs?
[20:01] <Pici> flaccid_: Your attitude here is not helping your case very much.
[20:01] <flaccid_> don't you guys wan't clarity and legal position in the market?
[20:01] <nalioth> flaccid_: this is going nowhere.  did you have anything else?
[20:01] <Seveas> what ubuntu needs is people being respectful to each other flaccid_ 
[20:02] <Seveas> flaccid_, and you're not showing any of that
[20:02] <flaccid_> Seveas: i've done that for over 3 years
[20:02] <flaccid_> look at #kubuntu logs
[20:02] <flaccid_> i'lll rest my case there
[20:02] <Amaranth> flaccid_: You are not doing so now
[20:02] <flaccid_> i've helped thousands of people compared to the operators
[20:02] <flaccid_> that is a fact.
[20:03] <flaccid_> past, present, future. they are all important
[20:03] <flaccid_> ubuntu's future is probably the most important
[20:03] <Pici> I can't even come up with a nice response to that.
[20:03] <Amaranth> Nope, I deleted three responses trying
[20:03] <Seveas> a clear case of bruised ego
[20:04] <Amaranth> The nicest was probably "We are operators because we were being helpful and showed good judgement"
[20:05] <Amaranth> I will admit to not being very active in #ubuntu over the last year or so though, because I've been busy helping in other ways :P
[20:05] <Pici> Mine started off "We don't care if you helped Mark Shuttleworth himself", but I think I was being too adversarial.
[20:06] <Seveas> heh
[20:06] <Amaranth> Hey I've done that :P
[20:06] <Amaranth> He really likes compiz ;)
[20:07] <Pici> :)
[20:08] <LjL> i think he was being borderline in #kubuntu or somewhere hours ago already
[20:09] <stdin> he's often borderline, needs "reminding" of the rules often
[20:10] <Pici> 12:42:13 <?flaccid_> i'm banned from everywhere
[20:10] <Pici> Doesnt give me nice feelings
[20:10] <LjL> yeah, that.
[20:10] <LjL> he was discussing bans with unagi
[20:10] <Pici> sigh.
[20:23] <PriceChild> Back
[20:23] <Pici> You didn't miss much
[20:23] <Seeker`> lo PriceChild 
[20:23] <PriceChild> I'm amazed he /part'ed so easily
[20:23] <PriceChild> Was talking with im in pm since them mute.
[20:37] <TheSheep> .oO( and to think that most marketing companies are struggling to *create* passionate users )
[20:42] <Amaranth> TheSheep: If only we could direct such passion
[20:42] <nalioth> TheSheep: how are you voiced and not identified?
[20:43] <TheSheep> nalioth: I accidentally changed my nick and then changed back
[20:44] <TheSheep> here
[21:52] <bod_> hey guys,. i was wondering about getting a factoid !appreciate  i just helped someone for like 30mins, although some of things i suggested were not amazingly helpfull his attitude was rude and unappreciative. I have seen this happen a few times in #ubuntu and although there are factoids that touch on my point, none of them really get my point accross i was thinking of "Excuse me, but all of the people in this channel have given t
[21:52] <bod_> heir free time to help 'you'. 'You came with a problem and volunteers gave their time and effort to help 'you'. 'You' returned their kindness with rudeness. Seeming as this factoid has been al about 'you' perhaps you should sstop being so self centered and say 'Thank you'. "
[21:52] <Seveas> bod_, I think that one's a bit too harsh but the idea is good
[21:53] <stdin> !attitude | there's this
[21:53] <ubotu> there's this: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[21:53] <bod_> stdin, its kinda brief and i dont think makes a big enogh impact
[21:53] <bod_> Seveas, fancy given !appreciate a touch up?
[21:54] <Seveas> bod_, yeah I'm thinking about it
[21:54] <bod_> cheers
[21:55] <Seveas> !appreciare is <reply> The people in this channel are all volunteers who donate their valuable time. Please do not 'reward' this kindness with rudeness. Saying 'Thank you' is more appropriate.
[21:55] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[21:55] <Seveas> !forget appreciare
[21:55] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Seveas
[21:55] <Seveas> !appreciate is <reply> The people in this channel are all volunteers who donate their valuable time. Please do not 'reward' this kindness with rudeness. Saying 'Thank you' is more appropriate.
[21:56] <bod_> nice, me like
[21:56] <bod_> although
[21:56] <Seveas> hi Giuggi 
[21:56] <LjL> Seveas: actually i kind of hate it when people thank me
[21:56] <Seveas> what can we do for you?
[21:56] <LjL> useless traffic, for starters
[21:56] <PriceChild> Point is that its more appropriate than rudeness.
[21:56] <Seveas> LjL, well, that's your problem then :)
[21:57] <bod_> but better then people bein rude
[21:57] <PriceChild> If someone doesn't get thanked or rude to, then factoid isn't called at all.
[21:57] <Seveas> .!ljl is <reply> Do not thank this one!
[21:57] <bod_> !ljl
[21:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ljl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:58] <bod_> oh, i see the dot now ;~)
[21:58] <Seveas> :)
[21:59] <bod_> thankyou for your input guys, Seveas PriceChild (not LjL cause he doesnt like it) ;~)
[21:59] <LjL> :P
[21:59] <bod_> stdin aswell,.,.;~)
[21:59] <bod_> cya later guys *waves*
[22:16] <Jack_Sparrow> Keep an eye on laughed ...
[22:17] <ompaul> Giuggi, how can we help you
[22:18] <Jack_Sparrow> I had enough and muted him...(Laughed)
[22:23] <Seeker`> !modes
[22:23] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[22:24] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, he was trolling 
[22:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks .. I tried PM but he would not listen
[22:25] <ompaul> you should have removed him once he came out with that - 
[22:25] <Jack_Sparrow> When should I un do it
[22:26] <ompaul> I would not bother
[22:26] <ompaul> I'd let it expire naturally 
[22:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok.. I made notes just in case.. thanks again
[22:26] <ompaul> i.e. when the list is being cleaned
[22:31] <ompaul> * Poacher (n=Poacher@ool-4355eaeb.dyn.optonline.net) has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: "ban evasion")
[22:31] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, you might be interested
[22:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Good one..
[22:33] <Jack_Sparrow> How did yo spot him.. I was busy with that modem
[22:33] <LjL> who's this guy?
[22:33] <Pici> hes a poacher
[22:33] <Jack_Sparrow> troll
[22:33] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, IP
[22:34] <ompaul> ool-4355 with ISP
[22:34] <ompaul> down side it is dyn