[00:07] i would like to compalin that the new theme in hardy is not black [00:07] i read that it was going to be and i blame kwwii for that :) [00:08] oh i didn't see kwwii join this room [00:10] * neversfelde loves white themes and is glad, that it is not black ;) [00:10] * ScottK is just happy it's not brown [00:10] lol [00:10] or orange [00:11] hmm.... *wonders if Kubuntu has ever had a green look* [00:11] hasn't since Dapper I don't think [00:11] Nor breezy... didn't use it before then though... [00:13] I think many users would prefer a darker theme [00:15] Dapper isn't green (I'm on a Dapper box right now) [00:15] green is too suse [00:16] but we sell green shirts^^ [00:17] You can have any color you want as long as it's blue [00:17] To paraphrase Henry Ford. [00:18] ScottK: sorry, misphrased. Kubuntu hasn't been green in the time between Dapper and now, including Dapper. [00:18] K [00:19] gOS is a green Ubuntu [00:20] what's the trick to get Konqueror to use webkit instead of khtml again? [00:20] I always forget, and I can't google it anywhere [00:20] nothing currently [00:20] I am using trunk/ [00:21] nixternal: if your compiling, is there a ./configure option ? [00:21] -webkit [00:21] but that is just for qt4 [00:21] nixternal: it /may/ work with qt 4.4 compiled with webkit and webkitkde compiled from svn but probably won't [00:21] ah.. hmm. Dunno then... [00:22] ahh, webkitkde..that's what I forgot [00:22] it was working before, a couple of weeks back iirc [00:25] Added jockey-gtk to desktop-recommends-i386 <-- added to gobuntu-meta..isn't that defeating the purpose of gobuntu? [00:30] nixternal: I'd say so, best tell evand [00:31] evand is the one who uploaded it [00:32] I know about 10 people that will tick off, and manchicken isn't one of them :p [00:32] nixternal: Oh how wrong you are :) [00:33] ooh, updated kdevelop... Riddell you have to teach me how to use KDevelop correctly...I have gotten so used to Eclipse that I get lost quite easily in KDevelop still..to the point I try to avoid it at times [00:33] ok, so manchicken makes it 11 :p [00:33] Now that you presumed not to know what ticked me off... well that ticks me off. How dare you run webkit, you are a terrible person. [00:33] heh [00:34] hey, webkit allows me to run dashboard widgets [00:34] although, I have yet to find a dashboard widget that I really like [00:35] adding superkaramba support to plasma was the best move yet I think...I heard a bunch of people on kde-look.org go 'ahhhhhhh' [00:35] :) [00:37] Knubuntu, I think I will get the seeds rolling :p [00:37] hmm... is zUbuntu still in development? [00:38] I don't even know if I have heard of that one [00:38] https://edge.launchpad.net/zubuntu [00:38] Its been around for ever methinks... well, for quite a while [00:39] Since 2005-12-31 [00:39] you know, I had a professor kick my arse today on our marketing examples [00:40] I did the whole Kubuntu/Ubuntu branding topic..and it was going good until the instructor said [00:40] "I have heard of Ubuntu, what is Kubuntu?" [00:40] too true :) [00:40] then I explained, and he said, "For non-geeks, Ubuntu is the first thing they will hear and only the techies know Kubuntu..." and then went into the branding efficiencies and coefficiencies [00:41] I was mad...I thought I had it covered, but he stumped the heck out of me [00:41] I totally got owned in my presentation [00:42] he smashed my "OK, if you go that route, think about A&W Root Beer becoming 'Coca Cola with root beer flavoring'" [00:42] he ate that up [00:42] that's what I get for assuming the professor wasn't technically versed [00:44] I'm guessing its like a book report, where you pick the most obscure book you can find, and then completely make up the story for the book report because you're too lazy to read it... and then find out that its the teacher's favorite book? [00:44] lol [00:44] nah, not quite like that, but yes it is somewhat similar [00:44] s/its/it's/g [00:44] it isn't like I am going to pick marketing a drug company or something that I know absolutely nothing about [00:44] no [00:45] this all goes together with our final task of our business plan [00:45] mine has changed 3 times in the past year...it is so hard getting the numbers when it comes to software [00:45] damn pirates! [00:46] lol :) [00:47] Isn't the marketing easier when you don't acutally know it's all a lie? [00:47] hah [00:47] nah, easier to add more lies to it [00:47] plus, with something that I do know, it makes it easier to BS my way through it if need-be [00:48] although today, I couldn't even BS myself out of a wet paper bag [00:48] Tonio_: "Disable autostart entry from skim.install [00:49] is that related to skim autostarting now? [00:49] I need to come up with a cool business name too...thus far I have just been labeling the business name as 'KPartners' so it will be easier to search & replace when the time comes [00:50] vorian: ktorrent-kde4 packaging is old [00:50] Riddell: yep, that was previously removed, but recently re-added due to debian sync [00:50] kde.mk needs updating as do the rules in debian/rules (which can possibly be removed) [00:50] Riddell: I'm sure we don't want skim to autostart for everyone, as only asian people would eventually need that one [00:50] Riddell: isn't it past your bedtime? :) [00:50] Tonio_: so how does skim start for people who need it? [00:50] Riddell: the reason it wasn't is because they shot it down for his FFe iirc [00:51] seele: what makes you think I'm not in bed? :) [00:51] now that we have a blanket FFe, we can go ahead and do it [00:51] Riddell: start it once, from the Kmenu, and it'll be restored within kde session management [00:51] Riddell: amarok doesn't autostart for people that need it at first boot :) same purpose imho, no ? [00:52] * Tonio_ is still writting that stupid commercial proposal...... needs to be done for tomorrow morning [00:52] Riddell: so I guess when we see asddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd, you fell asleep? [00:52] Riddell: then I'll become a kubuntu contributor again :) I'v been working likea mad on this for 2 weeks now, almost 12 hours a day... [00:52] * n8k99 chuckles [00:53] Riddell: do you have another option to let skim autostart ? [00:53] Riddell: autostart script that detects the $LANG for example ? [00:53] Riddell: ok, I'll file a ffe [00:53] vorian: that's not needed [00:54] nixternal: the keurocalc port is ready [00:54] Riddell: really? kewlness [00:54] vorian: it's just some packaging changes needed, no new features [00:54] I'll prepare a candidate then [00:54] kk [00:54] k, I will have to hit it later, I have about 15 more ERD models to create [00:54] eeek [00:54] have fun with that :P [00:54] vorian: take a look at any recent kde 4 package [00:54] no way man [00:55] cmake.mk and kde.mk changes? [00:55] oh man, I just found out Patrick Swayze has one of the most lethal forms of cancer [00:55] I was hoping for a Roadhouse 2 by him [00:55] nixternal: MD loco meeting? [00:55] roger that [00:56] nixternal: Are you going to a MD loco meeting soon? [00:56] right now [00:57] ScottK: I am going to try and make a MD appearance next month, but I am stocked with conferences next month [00:57] Let me know. I may have to make an exception and show up. [00:57] yeah for DC-Metro people! we need more kubunteros! [00:58] you all will know if I am heading out that way :) [00:58] vorian: yes [00:58] thanks Riddell [00:58] hmmm... we need more Kubunteros in my neck of the woods to [00:58] *too [00:58] I have a buddy in VA, as a matter of fact, Riddell used his picture holding the Kubuntu license plate...get him to show up too [00:58] Quote of the day from Debian planet: "Please remember to fix a release critical bug every time you reply in a thread that ends up being somehow stupid." [00:58] * n8k99 moved from nyc to cambridge,ma [00:59] n8k99!!! just the guy I was looking for. [00:59] good luck with your GSoC project. :) [00:59] oh noes! [00:59] Anybody moving to eastern Ontario, or even just Ontario, Canada? :) [00:59] n8k99: oooh, whats your GSoC project? [00:59] wha-- how'd you hear bout that? [00:59] mailing lists :) [01:00] oh that [01:00] :P [01:00] fitting plasma to umpc [01:00] nixternal: where at in VA? NoVa or NoWheresville? [01:01] and touchscreen [01:01] man I wish I had a Nokia tablet right now... just to follow :) [01:01] seele: can't remember where exactly he is now...he works by DC I think for some banking industry [01:01] n8k99: umpc being those small tablet things? [01:01] oh hi seele! :) [01:01] nixternal: probably NoVa then (or close by) [01:01] * Jucato was considering replying to her blog [01:01] nixternal: that would put him close to NoVa [01:01] Jucato: hallo [01:01] Jucato: go for it [01:01] actually I think NoWheresville is more like it [01:02] ryanakca: yeah- i have a Fujitisu U810 [01:02] ryanakca: yeah. Ultra Mobile PC's... n8k99 has one :) [01:02] bah, he isn't online right now [01:02] but maybe the Asus EeePC would qualify [01:02] Fujitsu > * [01:02] I gotta side with Compaq [01:03] nah.. Eee PC is a whole new breed [01:03] though they don't have anything portable [01:03] n8k99: Fujitsu had an uber subnotebook at CES that looked like the 3e [01:03] my Compaq is a brick [01:03] ohhhh, Samsung has one at Best Buy that is totally gorgeous [01:03] or probably subnotebook :) [01:03] had Vista running on it though :( [01:03] seele was it the U810 about the size of a paperback novel? [01:03] hahah! vista :) [01:04] n8k99: oh maybe.. i forget the name of it [01:04] nixternal: my sister is crying her heart out. the laptop her office gave her has vista on it, and some of her favorite programs won't install/run :) [01:04] hahaha is right, I wiped it off of my desktop finally [01:04] !visternal [01:04] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [01:04] i bought on in august when it was released in the states [01:04] ooh free money! yay! [01:04] to bad I don't have any money [01:05] you're gonna get your own free money n8k99! leave nixternal to us :) [01:05] :P [01:05] i'm gonna have to work for that free money! [01:05] aw c'mon. you're going to have fun! [01:06] specially if aseigo mentors you :P [01:06] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2008-March/010375.html ... isn't drupal PHP ? [01:06] cKey -|------o|- cID <-- how in the heck could that be true? the Customer Key can optionally have just 1 ID....ahhh I just got it [01:06] nevermind [01:06] Isn't drupal going commercial? :) [01:07] seele: is Alan Cooper a big person in user interface design (though he now prefers the term "interaction design") and usability circles? [01:07] Mentors: Adriaan de Groot and Armijn Hemel. [01:07] n8k99: not free money.. you have to pay taxes on it (at least if you are american) [01:07] Alice Cooper rocks! [01:07] oh, Alan Cooper [01:07] lol [01:07] Jucato: yes.. he wrote the Inmates are Running the Asylum [01:07] :) [01:08] seele yup american- right down to my O's hat [01:08] seele: which pioneered the "personas" approach? (his book claims) [01:08] Jucato: he's kindof an old name like Jakob Nielsen, (the late) Jef Raskin, Don Norman, etc.. [01:09] seele: I have to give it to you...I am in the 2nd part of my Systems Analysis and Design phase and it is all GUI/Usability and it makes me want to sleeeeeeepzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz [01:09] oops, fell asleep there [01:09] n8k99: yeah.. $4500 ~= $1,125 in back taxes :( [01:09] yuck! [01:09] nixternal: lol.. dont be knocking my livlihood [01:09] heh I got an old oooold edition of his About Face book. :D [01:09] Jucato: yeah.. that is pretty out of date === kewark is now known as krawek [01:10] Jucato: a good GUI book I've been recommending is Jenifer Tidwell's O'Reilly book [01:10] they have machines you screw into your head and it follows your eyes...I don't think that is what it is doing, I think you usability people are inputting stuff into your brains [01:10] oh yeah I read your post about that :) [01:10] (forget the name of it.. designing interface or something) [01:10] yep Designing Interfaces :) [01:11] * Jucato checks with the bookstore if I can special order it :) [01:11] nixternal: its the start of world domination by usability people. Hopefully it's all open source so that we can turn it against them :) [01:11] s/its/it's/ [01:11] :P [01:12] * Jucato is more interested in the side of User Interface Design, which of course needs input from Usability :) [01:12] the book we are using right now is "User Interface Design and Evaluation" The Morgan Kaufmann Series in Interactive Technologies [01:13] nixternal: who is the author? there are a lot of books called that [01:13] it is thicker than the bible [01:13] hehe [01:13] Stone, Jarrett, Woodroffe, and Minocha [01:14] hmm.. i wonder why MK's HCI Models, Theories, and Frameworks isnt part of that series. It is a farily new edition [01:14] nixternal is that a Guttenberg or a Gideon Bible? [01:14] nixternal: btw.. these MD loco guys are taking having a loco serious if you can't tell by now [01:14] then we have 2 more books to purchase for the next 2 HCI classes [01:14] at the last physical meeting they were in a heated debate of IRC vs mailing lists vs forums [01:14] hehe ya [01:14] haha [01:15] I forced the Chicago guys to use IRC [01:15] now we have a bunch of dudes, and a few chicas talking like truck drivers and talking smack to each other [01:15] it seems that BarCamp started a whole new barrage of "Yo Mamma" jokes and it is still going on [01:15] I just remembered this guy who got banned in #ubuntu because he kept on saying "hi. do you need help" to everyone that enters the room and then says "have you posted in the forums first before asking here" [01:16] lol [01:16] lol [01:16] Jucato: did you see me get klined today? [01:16] then he went on a tirade in -ops about how the forums is more newbie friendly and that everyone should use that first before IRC [01:16] nixternal: oh noes I missed it! [01:17] ya, happened about 7 hours ago maybe [01:17] hehe, I did, lost your record of 15 years on irc without a kline or something? [01:17] * seele pokes Riddell [01:17] ya [01:17] sssh, i think he's sleeping! [01:17] I have been on IRC for more than 15 years and never had a kline...boom nalioth ruined that one for me [01:17] lol [01:17] lol... anybody have ssh access to his computer? cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp :) [01:17] * Jucato will have to give nalioth an opsnack later [01:18] haha [01:18] hah [01:18] klines are fun. [01:18] * ryanakca remembers a time where imbrandon use to get them daily or something of the sort [01:18] hmm... what happened to him? haven't seen him in a while [01:19] seele: mwuh? [01:19] i think he had Life going on for a while [01:19] Riddell: nonono go back to sleeep! [01:19] ah [01:19] * seele pats Riddell on the head [01:19] * Jucato sings Riddell a lullaby [01:19] * ryanakca plays Riddell "Cradle Song" on the pipes [01:20] How can I use a slot I wrote to connect in Designer? [01:21] theunixgeek: #qt please. thanks :) [01:21] heh, another patrick [01:21] * seele falls over [01:21] hahah [01:21] * ryanakca sticks a pillow under seele [01:21] i think i might "forget" about the next MD loco meeting [01:21] these guys are way too serious for me [01:21] they voted on if we should take meeting minutes for physical meetings [01:22] then got in to an argument about who should write the minutes down [01:22] haha [01:22] and now instead of just putting htem on the wiki, we have to sent them to the Leader [01:22] oh wait until you get to voting whether you should vote about issues. now *that* is fun :) [01:22] like.. its a freaking wiki. CO-LAB-BOR-A-SHUN [01:23] "motion to move on" [01:23] "second" [01:23] lol [01:24] passion is running high... it will die down soon. fortunately or unfortunately :) [01:24] why not take turns? I write them this week, next week bob writes them, and then jane writes them. And we rotate :) [01:26] but what happens when bob cant make it? does that mean jane has to do it and then bob next week? or you do it twice in a row and we skip you the next time around? [01:27] just voluntell (Hobbsee's favorite) someone and be done with it! [01:27] seele: lol, I dunno. You decide to take the initiative, or, as Jucato says, voluntell someone to do it. [01:28] And if you're going to pout, well, the door is that way -> :) [01:31] haha [01:31] but i don' wanna! [01:31] lol :D [01:31] gotta love babysitting? :) [01:31] don't wanna pout or don't wanna *you* -> door? :D [01:32] Riddell or other accomplished motu, bug #197226 has the updated debdiff for ktorrent-kde4 [01:32] Launchpad bug 197226 in ktorrent-kde4 "ktorrent-kde4 IP filter not loaded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197226 [01:32] :) [01:32] mmm.. probably the door. sometimes pouting gets me cookies :D [01:32] * Hobbsee voluntells Jucato to fix it all [01:32] * n8k99 eats all the cookies [01:33] cookies!! [01:33] COOKIES!? [01:33] noooo the pointy stick! get it away from me!!! [01:33] * Jucato has longpointystickophobia [01:33] mmm cookies on a longpointystick [01:33] hahah like marshmallows on a stick? [01:34] still a longpointystick... so no for me :P [01:34] n8k99: watch it... the pointy stick of doom will poke you in the mouth :P [01:34] hehe [01:34] vorian: when you compile that does the .desktop menu file get edited to set the absolute path? [01:34] mmm doom cookies on a longpointystick [01:34] *checks* [01:35] * ryanakca wonders if Riddell ever sleeps... [01:35] no [01:35] he just keeps drinking [01:35] Riddell: you mean this bit... [01:35] if test -x /usr/bin/dh_desktop; then dh_desktop -p$(cdbs_curpkg) $(DEB_DH_DESKTOP_ARGS); [01:36] nono [01:36] yes it does [01:36] i didn't scroll down enough [01:37] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58555/ [01:37] vorian: yes [01:37] in the kde.mk, it's there [01:38] lemme install to be sure [01:38] right but it doesn't always get run depending on the mood of cdbs [01:39] heh [01:41] Riddell: yes, .desktop was set and installed correctly [01:42] groovy, uploading [01:42] weeeee [01:42] thanks vorian [01:42] no problemo Riddell [01:52] ew, daily is downloading at 10KB/sec [01:53] there we go.. 300KB/sec is much better [01:56] seele: good luck with it, let me know how it works [01:56] * Riddell snoozes === _krawek_ is now known as krawek [03:57] is there a netsplit going on? [03:57] 14:53:57 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net === kewark is now known as krawek === kewark is now known as krawek [05:58] YAY, ERDs complete! [05:59] O.o [06:12] sleep time big time! [06:13] mmm...sleep... [06:13] * Hobbsee has another 3 hours of lectures to go... [06:13] I am hurting [06:13] I have finals tomorrow [06:13] ewww [06:13] fun [06:13] yeah. 6-9pm [06:13] we are allowed to have a cheat sheet [06:13] I am not worried about definitions, just all of the damn design diagrams [06:14] alrighty, time for some sleep [06:15] k'nite! [06:16] if i am setting up a kde4 development environment do i need to remove all the packages installed from the launchpad ppa? [06:16] hm, bugger. [06:16] maths assignment is already out. [06:19] * Jucato thought Hobbsee said "hm, burger" === kewark is now known as krawek [06:43] so, if the maths department has screwed up, do i tell them, or do i let them live in ignorance, so everyone gets the marks? [06:43] "this can not be true for all natural numbers, as it fails in the base case, where n=1. QED" === \sh_away is now known as \sh === hunger_t is now known as hunger [08:11] hi all [08:16] Riddell: ping [08:32] Riddel: PyKDE 4-4.0.0 has been released. I have two questions: [08:33] 1) Does it include Kparts and Konsoleparts? [08:33] 2) Will you include it in Kubuntu? [08:34] I meant Riddell (with 2 "l"s)... === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:16] hi serega [10:17] Riddell: skim gone :) 32 live is okay install nearly complete all seem okay :) [10:18] tseliot: 1) I've no idea but the kde 4 Konsolepart is very limited 2) yes, python-kde4 is in hardy 3) why do you ask? [10:18] davmor2: sounds good [10:18] Not likely to be any more images today though is there (the right answer here is No!) [10:20] Riddell: hi Jonathan. I have the next debdiff, please review it: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/930096 [10:21] Riddell: I'm using QProcess and a QTextEdit to simulate the behaviour of an embedded virtual terminal so as to show the output of a script in the terminal (and in a log). It works well but the order in which it shows the output is a bit inverted. [10:22] Riddell: I was hoping that Konsolepart could help me with this [10:26] Riddell: The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded. [10:26] this is on a fresh install :( [10:26] You have old third party module lying around. [10:26] An error occurred during your last KDE upgrade leaving an orphaned control module [10:26] Possible reasons: [10:26] The diagnostics is: [10:29] davmor2: known [10:29] ScottK has a fix that's waiting for freeze to end [10:30] Riddell: cool as long as it is :) [10:30] davmor2: which build are you testing? [10:30] Riddell: no battery icon either :( [10:31] 06 [10:31] Riddell: ^ [10:34] Riddell: why? [10:35] just making sure you're doing the right one (you are) :) [10:35] Thank god for that :) [10:36] Riddell: is the battery icon also known? [10:38] nope [10:40] where is the correct place to file kde4 bugs? (for the ppa stuff) [10:41] Riddell: Well I'll bug it on LP then. You unplug the power no battery icon appears :( I even went as far as restarting the laptop with the power lead out still battery icon. [10:42] jussi01: wherever someone will fix them [10:42] Riddell: lol... [10:42] so where is that likely to be - to kde? [10:43] jussi01: if it's a kde problem rather than something we've made, yes [10:43] ok, what about packaging bugs for the ppa/other items we have made? [10:44] fix them :) [10:48] Riddell: is there anything I can try to get the battery applet up? [10:49] see if it a bug somewhere along the lines [11:10] Riddell: what's with patch? is it ok? [11:18] serega: sorry, yes that looks fine, just we need to wait until the alpha freeze is over before uploading [11:24] Riddell: oh, ok. thanks :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:10] davmor2: I've got a package in my PPA that may or may not fix your problem. If you can test that package and let me know if you have problems after that, I can try and add another patch if we can figure it out. [12:10] davmor2: https://launchpad.net/~kitterman/+archive [12:13] ScottK: Sorry afk which problem the battery one? [12:13] davmor2: More likely the "The module Monitor & Display could not be loaded." one [12:15] ScottK: Okay cool as soon as this KDE4 install has finished I'll check it out is it 32bit/64bit/or doesn't matter? [12:15] Shouldn't matter. [12:16] davmor2: If you do try 64bit it'd be helpful if you could test out wineconfig and see if it works (you'll need to install wine). [12:17] ScottK: np's in that case I can try it in a second or two [12:21] Riddell: Kde4 it still is poping up the close dialogue after you have told it to close why? [12:22] davmor2: goodness knows, upstream issue [12:23] Riddell: Bizarre I think I could understand it more if it threw up a confirm box to you selection rather than having to hit your selection again :) [12:25] Riddell: Stuff in lost and found again in KDE4 (three items all keyboard stuff) other than that seem okay :) [12:30] ScottK: I just got to go do something it's all installed I'll test when I get back [12:47] davmor2: No rush. Upload won't be until next week (I'm leaving town for the weekend early tomorrow and I'm not going to upload kdeguidance and then disappear for 3 days). [13:07] Riddell: Kernel doesnt load (x86) for March 5 daily [13:18] seele: looks like they made new ones overnight, probably that's why [13:18] seele: it should be quick to rsync to the new ones [13:21] Riddell: Will the kde4 apps stay in /usr/lib/kde4/bin ? [13:24] txwikinger: for hardy yes [13:25] hmmm... I think there is a small problem with sudo then [13:26] It is not in the secure path, so if someone says "sudo kate" on commandline it will not find the command [13:26] I'd say thats a good thing..... [13:26] shouldn't use sudo with GUI apps anyway... [13:26] txwikinger: You shouldn't do that [13:26] kdesudo find them fine. [13:26] kdesu/kdesudo [13:26] It does? [13:26] ok.. then it is ok [13:27] but which command doesn't "sudo kate" find? "sudo" or "kate"? [13:28] Well.. if I do kdesudo env | grep path, I get the secure path from sudo [13:28] Jucato: It does not find kate [13:29] is kate for kde4 installed? (though if the PATH is correct, kde3's kate should be seen right?) [13:31] well.. what if kde4 kate is installed, but kde3 kate is not [13:33] scottK: ping [13:34] Pong [13:34] scottK: do I need all 3 apps? [13:35] You have a battery problem and a displayconfig problem, right? [13:35] yes [13:36] Should the kde4 app path be in the search path for kdesudo or do we live with this problem? [13:37]