=== schwuk_ is now known as schwuk === mpt_ is now known as mpt === mpt_ is now known as mpt === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [17:49] Rinchen: bing [17:59] * mpt waves blearily to mwhudson [18:00] hi mpt [18:00] i didn't even get up in time to make coffee :/ [18:00] I'd actually prefer this meeting at 1200 UTC, because that's when my other meeting is :-P [18:01] mpt: ah, no [18:01] mwhudson: What you get for moving to the other side of the world, mate. [18:01] oof [18:03] mwhudson: it's not even clear that there is a meeting [18:03] me? [18:03] but don't be sorry - waking up early builds character :P [18:03] It's all about you [18:03] we're waiting for kiko to say yay or nay [18:04] wunderbar [18:04] #launchpad says "Next meeting (all welcome): Thu 6 March 2008, 1800UTC #launchpad-meeting" [18:04] but he isn't around right now [18:04] yeah, barry is our new Cod [18:04] I think barry was volunteering to chair the meeting? ;) [18:04] * barry searches for his cape [18:04] waking up early is an opportunity to have an accident while in a somnambulistic state [18:04] * barry only finds his piece [18:05] thae cable company would choose *right now* to disconnect me [18:05] No capes! Edna Mode was very clear on this point [18:05] sinzui: that's a /great/ word [18:05] even cod capes? [18:05] or es capes [18:06] This conversation is in a soporific state [18:06] hello hello [18:06] shalom [18:06] mpt: better than sophomoric [18:06] but kiko will soon fix that [18:06] barry: Can you imagine the stench of a cod cape? You will certainly make friends with all the neighborhood cats. [18:06] al-maisan! welcome [18:06] Welcome al-maisan [18:06] me, me [18:06] where's that good ole Rinchen character [18:06] sinzui: you're right. and ms mode says nothing about cod pieces, so... [18:06] statik_: thanks :-) [18:06] Riiiiiiiiiincheeeeeeen! [18:07] ORRIGHT [18:07] Rinchen says he's busy [18:07] slacker [18:07] ok [18:07] barry: Are you hinting that you are wearing a cod piece? [18:07] * Next meeting [18:07] * Actions from last meeting [18:07] * Oops report (Matsubara) [18:07] * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [18:07] * Bug tags [18:07] * Operations report (mthaddon/herb) [18:07] * DBA report (stub) [18:07] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [18:07] * New packages required (salgado) [18:07] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [18:07] * Doc Team report (mrevell) [18:07] me [18:07] #startmeeting [18:07] Meeting started at 18:07. The chair is kiko. [18:07] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:07] sinzui: hints and allegations [18:07] me [18:07] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me (until 1830UTC) [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] me (but leaving early, ~18:35) [18:08] me [18:08] me [18:08] well, we seem to have an official FreeNode representatirrrve [18:08] very good [18:08] me [18:08] jtv is travelling [18:08] me (might leave a bit early as well) [18:08] mrevell is on the train [18:08] rinchen's blown us off [18:09] yup [18:09] steve's chatting up girls [18:09] what else [18:09] allenap's internet connection is flakey, so he might not make it [18:09] ok [18:09] let's make this quick then [18:09] kiko: code's not blocked, can I go now [18:09] ? [18:09] thumper, no. [18:09] kiko: allenap just phoned to say he /won't/ make it === FreeNode is now known as herb [18:09] me [18:09] [TOPIC] * Next meeting [18:09] New Topic: * Next meeting [18:09] me [18:09] SteveA!! === herb is now known as herb_ [18:09] kiko: ! [18:10] so next meeting, who can't be here? [18:10] me [18:10] kiko: me [18:10] kiko: me [18:10] I'll be en route to PyCon [18:10] me [18:10] I will be off next week (vacation) [18:11] * kiko can't live without mthaddon! [18:11] I'll be here [18:11] so [AGREED] meeting next week, same time, same location. [18:11] * kiko looks at MootBot [18:11] [AGREED] meeting next week, same time, same location god dam mit [18:11] AGREED received: meeting next week, same time, same location god dam mit [18:11] maybe it didn't like the "so " [18:12] [TOPIC] Actions from last meeting [18:12] New Topic: Actions from last meeting [18:12] * repost: salgado to investigate adding turbogears for codebrowse and germinate [18:12] * repost: danilos to investigate profiling and Rosetta team to prepare proposal for next week to fix remaining timeouts [18:12] * repost: mthaddon - discuss updating devpad rocketfuel archives to packs and do so if lifeless approved. [18:12] * repost: kiko and cprov - discuss bug 193656 [18:12] Launchpad bug 193656 in soyuz "Process-death-row procedure became very slow" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193656 [18:12] * matsubara to file a place holder bug for OOPS-788EB21 and assign it to carlos who is already investigating it. Done: bug 196679 [18:12] Launchpad bug 196679 in rosetta "ValueError on +language-packs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196679 [18:12] * matsubara to investigate OOPS-788EC5 and confirm if it's related to 195809, if not file a new bug. [18:12] me [18:12] * matsubara to email flacoste about oops in 196661 and check if it was fixed by 191074. Done: 196661 is a new issue. Francis on it. [18:12] * cprov and salgado to discus python-apt packaging in lpdebs [18:12] kiko, devpad has been upgraded to packs format [18:12] mthaddon, good job. [18:12] it's not related and I just filed bug 199203 for OOPS-788EC5 [18:12] salgado? [18:12] Bug 199203 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199203 is private [18:12] kiko: we have some reports, haven't agreed on the action yet (a lot of stuff has changed with the new DB hardware) [18:13] danilos, yeah, the performance is amazing this week! let's keep our eyes peeled, but it looks much better. [18:13] flacoste, do you know the answer to the actions for salgado? [18:13] kiko, haven't investigated yet [18:13] kiko, I think we're going to put turbogears inside sourcecode/ [18:13] kiko: some of my suspicions have been confirmed (i.e. lots of translations mean slower fetching of external suggestions), but some might need more investigation [18:14] salgado, do you need some input from anywhere? [18:14] kiko, and germinate should be easy to add [18:14] kiko, nope, don't think so [18:14] salgado, what do we need to do to make these happen? don't say give me 28h days [18:14] kiko, I'll do it tomorrow, promise! [18:15] salgado, :) thanks [18:15] so cprov and I have worked on the bug we had assigned to ourselves to fix death row slowness [18:15] they don't seem to be urgent, so they kept slipping [18:15] salgado: be warned, turbogears doesn't work with the version of sqlobject that's in sourcecode... [18:15] elmo gave me a hint, and cprov worked out a patch that makes it, oh, 30x faster :) [18:15] kiko: yes, and julian will be reviewing it in a bit [18:15] mwhudson, that's good to know. thanks! [18:16] [ACTION] salgado to investigate codebrowse and germinate inclusion in sourcecode, TOMORROW :) [18:16] ACTION received: salgado to investigate codebrowse and germinate inclusion in sourcecode, TOMORROW :) [18:16] salgado: I'm just waiting to the new python-apt package to be published in gutsy-backports. [18:16] cprov, any ETA for that from mvo? [18:16] matsubara, what about your action items? [18:16] kiko: no :( [18:16] kiko: already answered. [18:17] kiko: it's not related and I just filed bug 199203 for OOPS-788EC5 [18:17] Bug 199203 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199203 is private [18:17] kiko: and the other two are already done, and updated in the MeetingAgenda items themselves [18:17] matsubara, ah, I see that we've got some resolved ones there. thanks! [18:17] cool [18:17] matsubara, are any of them high or critical? [18:17] hello! [18:17] hey jml [18:18] thumper, just saw your OOPS landing fix, thanks a lot -- we might need to get that cherrypicked if it's happenning on lpnet? [18:18] [TOPIC] * Oops report (Matsubara) [18:18] New Topic: * Oops report (Matsubara) [18:18] kiko: only flacoste's one [18:18] thanks. [18:18] * flacoste is a slacker [18:18] Today's oops report is about bugs 192242, 198828 [18:18] Launchpad bug 192242 in launchpad-bazaar "OOPS linking an existing branch to a series" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192242 [18:18] Launchpad bug 198828 in launchpad "Upload project file with non-ascii character in the filename breaks the page" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198828 [18:18] Bug 192242 has no assignee yet, mwhudson recently changed its importance to High. Any code-team takers? [18:18] but it should be fixed for next week [18:18] Yesterday I chatted with Edwin about bug 198828. He took it and will have a fix soon. [18:19] thanks flacoste [18:19] i can look at it [18:19] matsubara, this happens because we have non-ascii filenames in islocc, right? [18:19] Also bug 199203, which I just reported, could use some help from the code team to figure out the cause behind the oops [18:19] Bug 199203 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199203 is private [18:19] kiko: yes [18:19] though i worry that i'm going to get confused about the intended workflows around productseries [18:20] mwhudson, hmm, if you wanna chat with me or thumper while we are around here, I'd be happy [18:20] mwhudson, if you like, arrange a call with us for tomorrow [18:20] can be early if you like [18:20] matsubara, thanks! [18:20] kiko: ping me when you get up? [18:20] i'm likely to be working a bit later tonight anyway [18:20] kiko: the code oops is on lpnet, so yes a cherry pick would be a good idea [18:21] thumper, please arrange it with mthaddon or herb_, rc=kiko [18:21] [TOPIC] * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [18:21] New Topic: * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [18:21] we're going to skip this this week, unless anyone has a critical bug to raise [18:21] matsubara: where you going to talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/196253 [18:21] Launchpad bug 196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [High,New] [18:21] aha! [18:21] oh sorry, forgot about that one. [18:21] sodarock_home, we can do that as a top-user-affecting-issue-of-the-week [18:22] (if matsubara likes) [18:22] yep, could be [18:22] ok cool [18:22] so any critical bugs apart from the ones above? [18:22] I'll proxy mrevell stuff anyway [18:22] ok [18:22] SteveA, ping? [18:22] [TOPIC] * Bug tags [18:22] New Topic: * Bug tags [18:22] kiko: hi [18:23] I had one proposed tag [18:23] wanted input from BjornT, SteveA and others [18:23] dupefinder [18:23] [18:23] Bugs related to the duplicate matcher [18:23] [18:23] kiko [18:23] dupefinder? [18:23] [18:23] [WWW] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/174443 [18:23] Launchpad bug 174443 in malone "Project groups need option to offer bug/question suggestions across projects" [Undecided,New] [18:23] yep [18:23] anyone +/- on that? [18:24] There are about 3~4 bug reports that tag could be used for, that I know of [18:24] i am in favor of all tags [18:24] it's a bit of rather unique functionality we have [18:24] and we have it in answers and in bugs [18:24] anyone strongly against it? [18:24] going [18:25] going [18:25] gone [18:25] okay, I'll self-approve that one. :) [18:25] nice [18:25] [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/herb) [18:25] New Topic: * Operations report (mthaddon/herb) [18:25] DB migration for staging and demo now complete [18:25] Feeds URLs should now be working correctly on demo [18:25] Working on missing bug report for intellectronica [18:25] Need to work on capturing coredumps for PQM [18:26] that's it from herb and myself unless there are any questions [18:26] how long will we be without production DB mirror? [18:26] SteveA: ^ [18:26] danilos, that's up to SteveA and elmo to discuss [18:26] we discussed it [18:26] danilos, but there's always staging [18:27] I want you to use staging for this. You'll need to arrange with kiko and joey when it's appropriate for you to do heavy lifting on staging. [18:27] danilos, does it need to be r/w? [18:27] mthaddon, are the last snags with updating staging finished? [18:27] kiko: yes, occasionally (when testing scripts like we want to do right now) [18:27] kiko, yes, all looking good now [18:27] mthaddon, quite a number of them -- whose fault is that? [18:28] kiko, mine :( [18:28] was our setup complicated? [18:28] or undocumented? [18:28] or something else? [18:28] kiko, just more complicated when the DB and app server are on different boxes [18:28] mthaddon, yeah, I can see how that is [18:29] [TOPIC] * DBA report (stub) [18:29] New Topic: * DBA report (stub) [18:29] AuthPersonSplit has been drafted and wants feedback. Nothing else to report this week. [18:29] kiko, since we want to restore the DB to a new DB, and then if that works, bring the app server down, rename the DB, rollout new code, bring the app server back up, etc. [18:29] danilos: you didn't wait for the RT section! :-P [18:29] carlos: you get to mention it there, and then in the 'Translations: blocked' :) [18:29] kiko, and we also have authserver and mailman to worry about - which we were before too, but the new script is a little more comprehensive [18:30] mthaddon, yeah, I can see how that is. congrats on getting it on! [18:30] stub, who do you want feedback from? [18:30] barry, sabdfl, stevea, kiko, salgado (already done), francis [18:30] And anyone else interested :) [18:30] stub, we could do a phone call tomorrow earlier, if you like? [18:31] [TOPIC] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [18:31] New Topic: * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [18:31] * barry will try to provide said feedback soon [18:31] RT: #30167 [18:31] Hi! Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent? [18:31] I'm hungry [18:31] I'll file an RT request [18:31] hmmm [18:31] back to you kiko [18:31] SteveA: Elmo will feed you shortly [18:31] kiko: Read the spec first and see if a phone call is warrented. Hopefully I won't have to have calls with everyone :) [18:32] Rinchen: getting back a mirror to test data migration script for a regression in Dapper langauge packs [18:32] salgado, cprov: do you guys need RTs? [18:32] stub, we could have a confcall is my idea [18:32] SteveA, is RT 30167 obsolete based on your discussions? [18:32] since most of us are in london [18:32] carlos, ok...send me the rt number in an email. [18:32] (for any of that packaging stuff) [18:32] kiko: no, it's all good. [18:32] please! [18:32] apart barry and salgado - who already gave you feedback [18:32] Rinchen: ok [18:32] kiko: ok. tomorrow. [18:32] cool [18:32] mthaddon: is that to do with translations using a server? [18:32] stub, okay, will arrange -- thanks [18:33] [TOPIC] * New packages required (salgado) [18:33] New Topic: * New packages required (salgado) [18:33] SteveA, yeah, staging accounts for translations [18:33] if any of the branches you're working on right now depends on any library which is not part of the launchpad-dependencies package, come talk to me ASAP. [18:33] mthaddon: I disucssed it with kiko and elmo [18:33] mthaddon, let's chat about this in 5 minutes [18:33] cool [18:33] I'd like to know if we have a due date to migrate lp-dev default env to hardy. [18:33] any changes requiring new packages or a sourcecode update? [18:33] cprov, hmm, we don't yet. what's broken? [18:33] mthaddon: and they can have staging accounts, but we'll need a process for them to agree when they're going to be doing r/w or resource intensive stuff [18:33] it will affect the alternatives for lp-dep package [18:34] kiko: on hardy we won't need any change in lp-dep. [18:34] I see. [18:35] well, remind salgado if you remember you need a package! [18:35] [TOPIC] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [18:35] New Topic: * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [18:35] proxying mrevell: [18:35] User-affecting issue: [18:35] Hello! Today's user affecting issue was raised during the Bazaar [18:35] sprint here in London and is to do with splitting bug reports. [18:35] If someone reports a bug and it turns out that the issue is actually [18:35] caused by more than one bug, it would be useful to be able to split [18:35] the bug report. This is essentially the same as creating a new bug [18:35] report, except that this new process of splitting a bug would allow [18:35] the splitter to choose which comments would move into the new bug. [18:36] matsubara, not a bad feature, though perhaps a client-side script that cloned a bug would be a mitigation step [18:36] it wouldn't remove comments [18:36] And I'm looking for a volunteer or mentor for bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/196253. It's one line change fix but I have no idea how to test. [18:36] Launchpad bug 196253 in launchpad "OOPS importing pgp key" [High,New] [18:36] matsubara, cprov might be a good mentor for that? [18:36] That feature would be partly JavaScript, yes [18:37] matsubara: I can help you with that. [18:37] cool [18:37] it's reported as bug 158718, which is currently marked Low [18:37] Launchpad bug 158718 in malone "ability to split bugs" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158718 [18:37] matsubara, can you relay that back as mrevell? [18:37] cprov: ok. thanks. I'll chat with after the meeting [18:37] kiko: sure thing. [18:37] thanks mpt [18:37] matsubara: cool [18:37] [TOPIC] * Doc Team report (mrevell) [18:37] New Topic: * Doc Team report (mrevell) [18:37] proxying again: [18:37] Hi. This week I've been down in London to take part in some of the [18:37] Bazaar sprint and also to meet with members of the Launchpad team who [18:37] have been here this week. [18:37] The most important thing to come out of this for Launchpad [18:37] documentation is that I've spoken with the Launchpad team leads. I've [18:37] taken notes regarding the next few months of work on each of their [18:37] parts of LP and this will feed into my user guide and new LP tour [18:37] work. [18:37] A new way of implementing context help in the LP UI has been discussed [18:37] as well in London. mpt is planning to create mock-ups and a user [18:37] experience description and I'm working to review our current UI text [18:38] and produce new context sensitive help. [18:38] Thanks. [18:38] okay, this is cool [18:38] nothing else to cover? [18:38] nope, back to you kiko [18:38] [TOPIC] * Blockers [18:38] New Topic: * Blockers [18:38] Releases Team: mpt blocked on foundations. [18:38] you know what to doooooooooooo [18:38] SC: not blocked [18:38] code: not blocked [18:38] Foundations: not blocked [18:39] flacoste, what is this blocked on foundations madness??? [18:39] Translations: Blocked on RT #30167 [18:39] Rinchen: i'll unblock you tomorrow [18:39] Bugs: not blocked [18:39] Rinchen: actually, you're not blocked, you have other things to do :-) [18:39] Bugs team: not blocked [18:39] flacoste: is that my fault? [18:39] * gmb should read scrollback [18:39] carlos: nope [18:40] HWDB: not blocked [18:40] thanks adeuring [18:40] ok [18:40] carlos, that RT should me sorted out real quick. [18:40] carlos: well, you're also a blocker eventually, but that's not the one he's referring to :-) [18:40] SteveA had this other word for "not blocked, but needing stuff from" [18:40] okay, thanks everyone [18:40] But I forget what that word was [18:40] see you again next week [18:40] #endmeeting [18:40] Meeting finished at 18:40. [18:40] flacoste: that's what I suspected... :-P [18:40] Bed time [18:40] flacoste, mpt: I will try to get that done tomorrow. At least started [18:41] * stub waves goodnight [18:41] night stub [18:41] thanks kiko [18:41] thanks mwhudson [18:41] carlos: what was your next step? [18:41] kiko: is there anything I should do to get unblocked? [18:41] mwhudson, if you wanna call us tomorrow, let me know [18:41] carlos, no, I'll see to it with elmo [18:41] thanks carlos [18:41] kiko: ok, thank you [18:41] carlos: is it the Navigation menu links? [18:41] kiko: well, i'll have a look-see today, and if i'm confused will hassle you when you get up :) [18:41] mwhudson, sounds good. thanks! [18:41] flacoste: take a look to current code, prepare an action plan and ask for a preimplementation call [18:42] flacoste: yeah [18:42] carlos: ok, i discussed this with SteveA, so have a good idea of the solution, which is very easy actually [18:42] carlos: we can discuss it tomorrow [18:42]