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| pitti | hi all | 13:44 |
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| Keybuk | pitti: hey | 13:50 |
| Keybuk | I'm not going to be able to lead today's meeting | 13:50 |
| Keybuk | there's a lot of brown material hitting a lot of rotary air cooling devices that I need to try and catch before it creates a mess | 13:50 |
| Keybuk | could you lead it for me? I've put the page together, only thing on the agenda is a new item to go down the QA desktop bug list and make sure someone's claimed each one or removed it | 13:51 |
| pitti | Keybuk: ok, no problem | 13:53 |
| seb128 | hello | 13:53 |
| Riddell | hi | 13:55 |
| * mvo waves | 13:55 | |
| pitti | Keybuk: ok, found the page and the bug list | 13:56 |
| seb128 | pitti: what bug list? | 13:57 |
| pitti | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html | 13:57 |
| seb128 | ah | 13:58 |
| pitti | tedg: here? | 13:59 |
| tedg | Yes. | 13:59 |
| pitti | good morning :) | 13:59 |
| mvo | good morning scott | 13:59 |
| pitti | hm, AFAICS we are just missing Mirco | 13:59 |
| pitti | and mpt, but he said he was busy with LP this week | 14:00 |
| mvo | mirco is on Cebit leave | 14:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: leading the meeting? | 14:00 |
| pitti | ah | 14:00 |
| pitti | Yes, Scott is EBUSY | 14:00 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:00 |
| seele | desktop meeting, right? | 14:00 |
| mpt | Good morning | 14:01 |
| pitti | does anyone have some new agenda items? | 14:01 |
| pitti | hello mpt | 14:01 |
| tedg | Yeah, virtual interfaces in HAL. | 14:01 |
| pitti | right | 14:01 |
| tedg | They show up in NetworkManger and are very annoying. | 14:01 |
| pitti | so, there is some discussion on the ML about this | 14:02 |
| pitti | kees asked me to pull the hal patch for this | 14:02 |
| tedg | Oh, haven't gotten to that yet :) | 14:02 |
| pitti | other people seem to think that fixing NM to deal with them would be better | 14:02 |
| pitti | IMHO it should be asac's decision, since he will end up being the one who fixes the bug | 14:02 |
| * pitti pings him | 14:02 | |
| mpt | Is that why I have non-existent "RR-TPN", "TPN", and "TPN-PPPoE" networks showing up in NM? | 14:03 |
| pitti | mpt: if it started a few days ago, then most likely | 14:03 |
| tedg | mpt: Perhaps, but my show up as "Unknown Computer" | 14:03 |
| pitti | so, let's defer this until asac turns up, or let's decide it on the ML | 14:04 |
| pitti | does that work for everyone? | 14:04 |
| tedg | Yeah. | 14:04 |
| pitti | so, the only agenda point today is to walk over the QA hardy list and make sure about who is working on what | 14:04 |
| pitti | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html | 14:04 |
| pitti | let's go through everything starting from the top which is not assinged to a particular person | 14:04 |
| pitti | if some bug is assigned to you, but you don't think you can work on it, please shout | 14:05 |
| pitti | 131976 (apparmor) | 14:05 |
| pitti | IMHO that shouldn't be on the list; we worked around it in casper, and getting AA to work is not very critical for the live system IMHO | 14:05 |
| * asac reading backlog | 14:06 | |
| pitti | asac: Q: should I pull the 'virtual net interfaces' patch from hal (as requested by Kees) or do you want to fix n-m to ignore them? | 14:06 |
| asac | pitti: whats the problem with the interfaces? (summary please) | 14:06 |
| mvo | I take the command-not-found and apt ones (next three) | 14:07 |
| pitti | asac: see ML | 14:07 |
| asac | pitti: subject? | 14:07 |
| pitti | asac: distro-team@, some activity report | 14:07 |
| asac | ok i have found it i guess | 14:08 |
| pitti | mvo: thanks | 14:08 |
| pitti | so, there's a bunch of compiz bugs | 14:08 |
| pitti | mvo: we have quite a good relation to upstream for compiz, right? | 14:08 |
| asac | bug 198295 | 14:08 |
| seb128 | asac: I didn't try yet using the new nm but some days ago when starting virtualbox nm was switching from the wireless network I'm using to the wired network | 14:08 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 198295 in hal "FF exception request: update hal to git head" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198295 | 14:08 |
| mvo | yes, but I think 99508 is actually a X bug | 14:09 |
| pitti | mvo: do you think you could talk to upstream about those and check which can be fixed, and which should be taken off the list? | 14:09 |
| mvo | I can do that | 14:09 |
| mvo | #127705 is extremly unlikey to get fixed | 14:09 |
| asac | pitti: can we ctake that off the meeting. i cannot really tell right now whats going on and don't feel like i can make a decision based on the info i currently have | 14:09 |
| pitti | asac: sure | 14:10 |
| asac | tedg: can you please file a bug about that NM behaviour and attach a full syslog to it? | 14:10 |
| pitti | asac: thanks | 14:10 |
| pitti | asac: ML? | 14:10 |
| pitti | mvo: hm, that one sounds like a bug for TheMuso to look into? | 14:10 |
| asac | pitti: first bug ... then ML if we have results | 14:10 |
| asac | pitti: is there still a apckage with that patch somewhere? ppa? | 14:10 |
| pitti | asac: current hardy does have that patch | 14:10 |
| asac | ok | 14:11 |
| pitti | asac: current ppa, too; bzr head doesn't any more | 14:11 |
| mvo | pitti: I'm happy to talk to him about it, but its a difficult one IIRC the problem is conceptual, compiz does not use pango in its core so there is no atk | 14:11 |
| asac | tedg: ok, please file a bug then. | 14:11 |
| mvo | on window switching | 14:11 |
| pitti | mvo: can you please assign the other bugs to you? I'll talk to TheMuso about the speak one | 14:11 |
| pitti | and discuss taking it off the list otherwise | 14:11 |
| mvo | I would like to share some of the others with mirco if possible | 14:11 |
| pitti | sure | 14:11 |
| mvo | right | 14:11 |
| * pitti hugs mvo, thanks | 14:12 | |
| pitti | bug 146918 is an interesting one | 14:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 146918 in gnome-volume-manager "poor descriptions for some startup programs" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146918 | 14:12 |
| pitti | quite easy to fix, but should be done in accordance with upstream for not breaking translations too hard | 14:12 |
| pitti | seb128: a 'desktop-bugs' assignee means basically you? (as primary responsibility, and you coordinate the delegation)? | 14:13 |
| pitti | or is it just a kind of 'this is a desktop bug' task | 14:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: yes, usually it means me | 14:13 |
| pitti | s/task$/tag/ | 14:13 |
| pitti | seb128: are you ok with the 'desktop-bugs' assignments on that page, or do we need to discuss any of it? | 14:14 |
| seb128 | looking | 14:14 |
| seb128 | I did untag all the bugs I want to fix and milestone those some days ago | 14:14 |
| seb128 | I didn't understand the page was supposed to be a list of things we need to fix | 14:14 |
| seb128 | I though it was a list of suggestions to consider | 14:14 |
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| seb128 | and that we were supposed to untag or milestone | 14:15 |
| pitti | I'll take care of the system-config-printer task of #146918 (speak with Till) | 14:15 |
| pitti | seb128: correct | 14:15 |
| seb128 | I'm fine with those assigned to desktop-bugs | 14:15 |
| pitti | seb128: that's what I mean, if a bug is not really appropriate for hardy, then we should take it off | 14:15 |
| pitti | and we can discuss it here | 14:16 |
| seb128 | well, either untag or,and milestone until getting the list empty, right? | 14:16 |
| seb128 | "Unable to login when disk space is exhausted" | 14:16 |
| seb128 | I'll not likely work on this one | 14:16 |
| seb128 | didn't we have a spec for that? | 14:16 |
| seb128 | who was assigned to it? | 14:16 |
| pitti | right, Ian was working on it | 14:16 |
| pitti | until he left | 14:16 |
| seb128 | well, I though he did implemented it for gutsy | 14:16 |
| pitti | hm, didn't we get the 1 MB tmpfs /tmp at least? | 14:16 |
| pitti | /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp | 14:17 |
| pitti | rcS.d/S37 | 14:17 |
| pitti | so shouldn't that be fixed? | 14:17 |
| seb128 | I though it would be but I didn't check | 14:18 |
| pitti | seb128: so if /tmp was the actual issue, it should be fixed | 14:18 |
| pitti | if ENOSPACE on ~ is a problem, too, then we need more fixes | 14:18 |
| pitti | does anyone feel like giving this a test? | 14:18 |
| pitti | and adopting this bug for the duration of the test at least? | 14:19 |
| seb128 | I'll try to do that while doing desktop testing if nobody else do but not guaranty, I've tons of things on my hardy list | 14:19 |
| pitti | tedg: ^ interested? | 14:19 |
| tedg | tedg: Sure, I can try. I haven't looked at the bug, is there detail on how to reproduce? | 14:20 |
| pitti | tedg: I guess it shuold work to log out, dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/bigfile until it aborts, and then logging in | 14:21 |
| pitti | erm, maybe not /tmp | 14:21 |
| pitti | /bigfile | 14:21 |
| pitti | and then reboot | 14:21 |
| pitti | i. e. fill your root partition to the max, and check if you can log in | 14:21 |
| tedg | I think I'll virtualize that test ;) | 14:22 |
| pitti | kwwii: how does your schedule look like? do you have some time to look into bug 149437? | 14:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 149437 in example-content "Examples folder content should be updated for Gutsy" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149437 | 14:22 |
| kwwii | on bug 149437 we might get an update from a design company, keybuck would know more | 14:22 |
| pitti | kwwii: I'm fine with doing the actual package update, but we need someone to run over the documents and check which need updating | 14:22 |
| pitti | ah | 14:23 |
| pitti | neat | 14:23 |
| kwwii | I have been waiting the whole time to press enter on that comment :-) | 14:23 |
| * pitti hugs kwwii | 14:23 | |
| pitti | kwwii: could you talk to him and ask him about this? | 14:23 |
| kwwii | pitti: yepp, I'll stay on top of it | 14:23 |
| pitti | cool; mind to assing the bug to you? | 14:23 |
| kwwii | yepp, will do | 14:23 |
| pitti | cool, thanks | 14:24 |
| * pitti reads bug 149665 and wonders whether tedg already knows something about it | 14:25 | |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 149665 in linux-source-2.6.22 "when returning from suspend my laptop tries to hibernate" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149665 | 14:25 |
| tedg | asac: bug 199140 | 14:25 |
| pitti | an upstream "Linux" task header with a gnome bug, yay | 14:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199140 in network-manager "Network manager shows and connects to virtual interfaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199140 | 14:25 |
| Riddell | what is this bug list? I don't understand how these bugs were chosen to be special and why there's a list there rather than on launchpad | 14:26 |
| tedg | pitti: Yeah, the curious part about that one is gpm blocks all events until it resyncs for that reason. | 14:27 |
| pitti | tedg: do we already have the patch davidz mentions in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486138#c6 ? | 14:27 |
| ubotu | Gnome bug 486138 in gnome-power-manager "suspend after resume from hibernate" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 14:27 |
| pitti | Riddell: it's the qa-hardy-list tag sorted by team | 14:27 |
| Riddell | and they're chosen just by qa team considering them important? | 14:28 |
| tedg | No, that's on my list to look at from Fedora. | 14:29 |
| pitti | tedg: anyway, assuming that the bug reporters answer, could you collect enough hal and g-p-m logs from them to update the upstream bug? At least finding out whether it's a hal or g-p-m bug? (the reporters should try the hal git snapshot in my PPA, to be uploaded tomorrow after alpha-6) | 14:29 |
| pitti | tedg: ok, so seems you already own that bug? | 14:29 |
| tedg | pitti: Yes. | 14:29 |
| pitti | Riddell: its a pool that we should pull from, not a commitment list | 14:29 |
| pitti | Riddell: IIRC it was choosen for bugs which are particularly annoying people, or have many dups, etc. | 14:29 |
| * tedg needs to go buy 10 random laptops to recreate some of these... | 14:30 | |
| pitti | Riddell: we can untag them if a bug isn't something appropriate for hardy | 14:30 |
| pitti | tedg: I think if we can get detailled logs and pinpoint whether it's gpm or hal and send it to David, we have a good chance | 14:30 |
| pitti | mvo: bug 96705 sounds easy to fix? | 14:31 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 96705 in synaptic "Unclear language about Automatic Updates in Software Sources" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96705 | 14:31 |
| pitti | (and we should do it soon, since we are in UI freeze) | 14:31 |
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| mvo | pitti: yeah, give the synaptic ones to me too | 14:32 |
| pitti | ok, thanks | 14:32 |
| pitti | Riddell: can you comment on the KDE ones? anything which is inappropriate for the list? | 14:35 |
| Riddell | 99044 is a feature | 14:35 |
| Riddell | 19802 ugly but not that important | 14:35 |
| Riddell | 36655 I have no way of testing unless someone gets me a modem | 14:35 |
| Riddell | 50039 likely very complex to fix | 14:36 |
| Riddell | 125767 I don't know what this one is about, would need to look into it, sounds like a feature | 14:36 |
| Riddell | 145337 is on my todo :) | 14:37 |
| pitti | Riddell: bug 99044 sounds like the counterpart of bug 32917 | 14:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 99044 in kdebase "KDM does not work if disk is full and gives no warning about it" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99044 | 14:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 32917 in rhythmbox "Multimedia keys only works after re-configuring in gnome-keybinding-properties and restarting rhythmbox" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32917 | 14:37 |
| pitti | erm, I mean bug 35217 | 14:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 35217 in gdm "Unable to login when disk space is exhausted" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35217 | 14:37 |
| pitti | Riddell: so with /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp it might be fixed for Kubuntu as well? | 14:37 |
| Riddell | yes, it does | 14:37 |
| Riddell | I don't know what that does | 14:37 |
| Riddell | I can look into it | 14:38 |
| pitti | Riddell: it creates an 1 MB tmpfs on /tmp if / is full | 14:38 |
| pitti | Riddell: tedg will test it for GNOME | 14:38 |
| pitti | Riddell: I think that'll solve it for /; it might be an issue if /home is on a separate partition and /home is full, though | 14:38 |
| pitti | Riddell: 19802 should be untagged then? | 14:39 |
| Riddell | pitti: indeed, I don't think it's worth spending much time on | 14:40 |
| pitti | Riddell: bug 125767> ah, I see; I think it means that if you have configured a wifi in /etc/network/interfaces, there's no GUI way to disable it again | 14:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 125767 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager Can't Set "Roaming Mode"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125767 | 14:41 |
| Riddell | right, that's a pain and should be fixed, but it's not my highest priority | 14:41 |
| pitti | Riddell: in GNOME, we have a "Configure manually..." menu item in network-manager which spawns the network configuration tool (network-admin in gnome) | 14:41 |
| Riddell | we do too | 14:41 |
| pitti | which allows you to disable the /e/n/i one | 14:42 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 14:42 |
| pitti | "Riddell| 125767 I don't know what this one is about", so I thought I'd explain | 14:42 |
| Riddell | and now I know :) | 14:42 |
| pitti | Riddell: I agree that it's not an OMGRELEASEBLOCKER thing | 14:42 |
| pitti | so, untaggin it is then? | 14:42 |
| Riddell | shrug, keep it tagged, maybe me or someone else will find time for it | 14:43 |
| pitti | Riddell: at least it should be reassigned to the network kcontrol package? | 14:43 |
| Riddell | yes (kdeadmin) | 14:43 |
| pitti | since a normal user can't change /e/n/interfaces anyway | 14:43 |
| pitti | ok, thanks | 14:43 |
| pitti | Riddell: hm, 145337 is in fact a KDE bug? sounds like a hal bug at first sight | 14:44 |
| Riddell | pitti: likely an issue with kmilo | 14:44 |
| Riddell | so kdeutils is the right place for it | 14:44 |
| pitti | alright | 14:45 |
| pitti | so, I think that's the list; any questions, comments, bugs to discuss/throw out/reassign due to overload/cry for help? | 14:45 |
| pitti | I personally don't have a lot of milestoned/tagged ones | 14:46 |
| pitti | so I'm concentrating on hal/utopia ones ATM to improve hardware support | 14:46 |
| seb128_ | we have lot of desktop bugs, anybody is welcome to crack on those ;-) | 14:46 |
| pitti | so I can help out if you need me | 14:46 |
| seb128_ | nobody does avahi by any chance? | 14:46 |
| pitti | seb128_: I'm interested in learning about gvfs, I might have a stab on it | 14:46 |
| seb128_ | pitti: cool ;-) | 14:47 |
| pitti | avahi> lool? | 14:47 |
| * seb128_ hugs pitti | 14:47 | |
| seb128_ | pitti: lool is mobile team now though | 14:47 |
| pitti | seb128_: I don't know much about it, but I have good contact to Lennart | 14:48 |
| pitti | seb128_: so if you stumble across a bad one, toss it to me, and I'll discuss it with him and see what I can do | 14:49 |
| seb128_ | pitti: ok, that's my issue, avahi doesn't go out of the registering state on my desktop | 14:49 |
| seb128_ | might be a race with network manager or something | 14:49 |
| seb128_ | there is several similar issue on launchpad | 14:49 |
| seb128_ | that breaks totally gvfs dns-sd | 14:50 |
| pitti | seb128_: ok, I added "look at avahi bugs" to my TODO list | 14:50 |
| seb128_ | restarting avahi make it work correctly | 14:50 |
| seb128_ | does lennart do IRC? | 14:50 |
| seb128_ | could you ask him what informations would be useful to him? | 14:50 |
| pitti | occasionally, but most often I use jabber | 14:51 |
| seb128_ | ok | 14:51 |
| pitti | seb128_: bug#? | 14:51 |
| seb128_ | if you have a chance to ask him | 14:51 |
| pitti | sure | 14:51 |
| seb128_ | pitti: I should likely open a bug upstream | 14:51 |
| pitti | seb128_: if it totally breaks, please add qa-hardy-list | 14:51 |
| seb128_ | but yet another bug tracker where to register | 14:51 |
| pitti | seb128_: so the avahid started from rc2.d has that problem? | 14:51 |
| seb128_ | yes | 14:52 |
| seb128_ | but not on all the system | 14:52 |
| pitti | seb128_: ok, let's handle htat in #u-devel, shall we? | 14:52 |
| seb128_ | it does on my desktop | 14:52 |
| pitti | any other topics for the meeting? | 14:52 |
| seb128_ | and there is similar issues on launchpad | 14:52 |
| seb128_ | yes, thanks | 14:52 |
| seb128_ | no other topic | 14:52 |
| pitti | ok, thanks everyone then | 14:52 |
| pitti | let's go zap bugz! | 14:52 |
| seb128_ | ;-) | 14:53 |
| seb128_ | thanks pitti | 14:53 |
| tedg | :) | 14:53 |
| mvo | thanks | 14:54 |
| pitti | seb128_: let me write and send the meeting report, then I'll get back to you | 14:58 |
| seb128_ | pitti: sure | 14:58 |
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