[13:44] <pitti> hi all
[13:50] <Keybuk> pitti: hey
[13:50] <Keybuk> I'm not going to be able to lead today's meeting
[13:50] <Keybuk> there's a lot of brown material hitting a lot of rotary air cooling devices that I need to try and catch before it creates a mess
[13:51] <Keybuk> could you lead it for me?  I've put the page together, only thing on the agenda is a new item to go down the QA desktop bug list and make sure someone's claimed each one or removed it
[13:53] <pitti> Keybuk: ok, no problem
[13:53] <seb128> hello
[13:55] <Riddell> hi
[13:55]  * mvo waves
[13:56] <pitti> Keybuk: ok, found the page and the bug list
[13:57] <seb128> pitti: what bug list?
[13:57] <pitti> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html
[13:58] <seb128> ah
[13:59] <pitti> tedg: here?
[13:59] <tedg> Yes.
[13:59] <pitti> good morning :)
[13:59] <mvo> good morning scott
[13:59] <pitti> hm, AFAICS we are just missing Mirco
[14:00] <pitti> and mpt, but he said he was busy with LP this week
[14:00] <mvo> mirco is on Cebit leave
[14:00] <seb128> pitti: leading the meeting?
[14:00] <pitti> ah
[14:00] <pitti> Yes, Scott is EBUSY
[14:00] <seb128> ok
[14:00] <seele> desktop meeting, right?
[14:01] <mpt> Good morning
[14:01] <pitti> does anyone have some new agenda items?
[14:01] <pitti> hello mpt
[14:01] <tedg> Yeah, virtual interfaces in HAL.
[14:01] <pitti> right
[14:01] <tedg> They show up in NetworkManger and are very annoying.
[14:02] <pitti> so, there is some discussion on the ML about this
[14:02] <pitti> kees asked me to pull the hal patch for this
[14:02] <tedg> Oh, haven't gotten to that yet :)
[14:02] <pitti> other people seem to think that fixing NM to deal with them would be better
[14:02] <pitti> IMHO it should be asac's decision, since he will end up being the one who fixes the bug
[14:02]  * pitti pings him
[14:03] <mpt> Is that why I have non-existent "RR-TPN", "TPN", and "TPN-PPPoE" networks showing up in NM?
[14:03] <pitti> mpt: if it started a few days ago, then most likely
[14:03] <tedg> mpt: Perhaps, but my show up as "Unknown Computer"
[14:04] <pitti> so, let's defer this until asac turns up, or let's decide it on the ML
[14:04] <pitti> does that work for everyone?
[14:04] <tedg> Yeah.
[14:04] <pitti> so, the only agenda point today is to walk over the QA hardy list and make sure about who is working on what
[14:04] <pitti> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html
[14:04] <pitti> let's go through everything starting from the top which is not assinged to a particular person
[14:05] <pitti> if some bug is assigned to you, but you don't think you can work on it, please shout
[14:05] <pitti> 131976 (apparmor)
[14:05] <pitti> IMHO that shouldn't be on the list; we worked around it in casper, and getting AA to work is not very critical for the live system IMHO
[14:06]  * asac reading backlog
[14:06] <pitti> asac: Q: should I pull the 'virtual net interfaces' patch from hal (as requested by Kees) or do you want to fix n-m to ignore them?
[14:06] <asac> pitti: whats the problem with the interfaces? (summary please)
[14:07] <mvo> I take the command-not-found and apt ones (next three)
[14:07] <pitti> asac: see ML
[14:07] <asac> pitti: subject?
[14:07] <pitti> asac: distro-team@, some activity report
[14:08] <asac> ok i have found it i guess
[14:08] <pitti> mvo: thanks
[14:08] <pitti> so, there's a bunch of compiz bugs
[14:08] <pitti> mvo: we have quite a good relation to upstream for compiz, right?
[14:08] <asac> bug 198295
[14:08] <seb128> asac: I didn't try yet using the new nm but some days ago when starting virtualbox nm was switching from the wireless network I'm using to the wired network
[14:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198295 in hal "FF exception request: update hal to git head" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198295
[14:09] <mvo> yes, but I think 99508 is actually a X bug
[14:09] <pitti> mvo: do you think you could talk to upstream about those and check which can be fixed, and which should be taken off the list?
[14:09] <mvo> I can do that
[14:09] <mvo> #127705  	 is extremly unlikey to get fixed
[14:09] <asac> pitti: can we ctake that off the meeting. i cannot really tell right now whats going on and don't feel like i can make a decision based on the info i currently have
[14:10] <pitti> asac: sure
[14:10] <asac> tedg: can you please file a bug about that NM behaviour and attach a full syslog to it?
[14:10] <pitti> asac: thanks
[14:10] <pitti> asac: ML?
[14:10] <pitti> mvo: hm, that one sounds like a bug for TheMuso to look into?
[14:10] <asac> pitti: first bug ... then ML if we have results
[14:10] <asac> pitti: is there still a apckage with that patch somewhere? ppa?
[14:10] <pitti> asac: current hardy does have that patch
[14:11] <asac> ok
[14:11] <pitti> asac: current ppa, too; bzr head doesn't any more
[14:11] <mvo> pitti: I'm happy to talk to him about it, but its a difficult one IIRC the problem is conceptual, compiz does not use pango in its core so there is no atk
[14:11] <asac> tedg: ok, please file a bug then.
[14:11] <mvo> on window switching
[14:11] <pitti> mvo: can you please assign the other bugs to you? I'll talk to TheMuso about the speak one
[14:11] <pitti> and discuss taking it off the list otherwise
[14:11] <mvo> I would like to share some of the others with mirco if possible
[14:11] <pitti> sure
[14:11] <mvo> right
[14:12]  * pitti hugs mvo, thanks
[14:12] <pitti> bug 146918 is an interesting one
[14:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146918 in gnome-volume-manager "poor descriptions for some startup programs" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146918
[14:12] <pitti> quite easy to fix, but should be done in accordance with upstream for not breaking translations too hard
[14:13] <pitti> seb128: a 'desktop-bugs' assignee means basically you? (as primary responsibility, and you coordinate the delegation)?
[14:13] <pitti> or is it just a kind of 'this is a desktop bug' task
[14:13] <seb128> pitti: yes, usually it means me
[14:13] <pitti> s/task$/tag/
[14:14] <pitti> seb128: are you ok with the 'desktop-bugs' assignments on that page, or do we need to discuss any of it?
[14:14] <seb128> looking
[14:14] <seb128> I did untag all the bugs I want to fix and milestone those some days ago
[14:14] <seb128> I didn't understand the page was supposed to be a list of things we need to fix
[14:14] <seb128> I though it was a list of suggestions to consider
[14:15] <seb128> and that we were supposed to untag or milestone
[14:15] <pitti> I'll take care of the system-config-printer task of #146918 (speak with Till)
[14:15] <pitti> seb128: correct
[14:15] <seb128> I'm fine with those assigned to desktop-bugs
[14:15] <pitti> seb128: that's what I mean, if a bug is not really appropriate for hardy, then we should take it off
[14:16] <pitti> and we can discuss it here
[14:16] <seb128> well, either untag or,and milestone until getting the list empty, right?
[14:16] <seb128> "Unable to login when disk space is exhausted"
[14:16] <seb128> I'll not likely work on this one
[14:16] <seb128> didn't we have a spec for that?
[14:16] <seb128> who was assigned to it?
[14:16] <pitti> right, Ian was working on it
[14:16] <pitti> until he left
[14:16] <seb128> well, I though he did implemented it for gutsy
[14:16] <pitti> hm, didn't we get the 1 MB tmpfs /tmp at least?
[14:17] <pitti> /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp
[14:17] <pitti> rcS.d/S37
[14:17] <pitti> so shouldn't that be fixed?
[14:18] <seb128> I though it would be but I didn't check
[14:18] <pitti> seb128: so if /tmp was the actual issue, it should be fixed
[14:18] <pitti> if ENOSPACE on ~ is a problem, too, then we need more fixes
[14:18] <pitti> does anyone feel like giving this a test?
[14:19] <pitti> and adopting this bug for the duration of the test at least?
[14:19] <seb128> I'll try to do that while doing desktop testing if nobody else do but not guaranty, I've tons of things on my hardy list
[14:19] <pitti> tedg: ^ interested?
[14:20] <tedg> tedg: Sure, I can try.  I haven't looked at the bug, is there detail on how to reproduce?
[14:21] <pitti> tedg: I guess it shuold work to log out, dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/bigfile until it aborts, and then logging in
[14:21] <pitti> erm, maybe not /tmp
[14:21] <pitti> /bigfile
[14:21] <pitti> and then reboot
[14:21] <pitti> i. e. fill your root partition to the max, and check if you can log in
[14:22] <tedg> I think I'll virtualize that test ;)
[14:22] <pitti> kwwii: how does your schedule look like? do you have some time to look into bug 149437?
[14:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149437 in example-content "Examples folder content should be updated for Gutsy" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149437
[14:22] <kwwii> on bug 149437 we might get an update from a design company, keybuck would know more
[14:22] <pitti> kwwii: I'm fine with doing the actual package update, but we need someone to run over the documents and check which need updating
[14:23] <pitti> ah
[14:23] <pitti> neat
[14:23] <kwwii> I have been waiting the whole time to press enter on that comment :-)
[14:23]  * pitti hugs kwwii
[14:23] <pitti> kwwii: could you talk to him and ask him about this?
[14:23] <kwwii> pitti: yepp, I'll stay on top of it
[14:23] <pitti> cool; mind to assing the bug to you?
[14:23] <kwwii> yepp, will do
[14:24] <pitti> cool, thanks
[14:25]  * pitti reads bug 149665 and wonders whether tedg already knows something about it
[14:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149665 in linux-source-2.6.22 "when returning from suspend my laptop tries to hibernate" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149665
[14:25] <tedg> asac: bug 199140
[14:25] <pitti> an upstream "Linux" task header with a gnome bug, yay
[14:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199140 in network-manager "Network manager shows and connects to virtual interfaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199140
[14:26] <Riddell> what is this bug list?  I don't understand how these bugs were chosen to be special and why there's a list there rather than on launchpad
[14:27] <tedg> pitti: Yeah, the curious part about that one is gpm blocks all events until it resyncs for that reason.
[14:27] <pitti> tedg: do we already have the patch davidz mentions in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486138#c6 ?
[14:27] <ubotu> Gnome bug 486138 in gnome-power-manager "suspend after resume from hibernate" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[14:27] <pitti> Riddell: it's the qa-hardy-list tag sorted by team
[14:28] <Riddell> and they're chosen just by qa team considering them important?
[14:29] <tedg> No, that's on my list to look at from Fedora.
[14:29] <pitti> tedg: anyway, assuming that the bug reporters answer, could you collect enough hal and g-p-m logs from them to update the upstream bug? At least finding out whether it's a hal or g-p-m bug? (the reporters should try the hal git snapshot in my PPA, to be uploaded tomorrow after alpha-6)
[14:29] <pitti> tedg: ok, so seems you already own that bug?
[14:29] <tedg> pitti: Yes.
[14:29] <pitti> Riddell: its a pool that we should pull from, not a commitment list
[14:29] <pitti> Riddell: IIRC it was choosen for bugs which are particularly annoying people, or have many dups, etc.
[14:30]  * tedg needs to go buy 10 random laptops to recreate some of these...
[14:30] <pitti> Riddell: we can untag them if a bug isn't something appropriate for hardy
[14:30] <pitti> tedg: I think if we can get detailled logs and pinpoint whether it's gpm or hal and send it to David, we have a good chance
[14:31] <pitti> mvo: bug 96705 sounds easy to fix?
[14:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96705 in synaptic "Unclear language about Automatic Updates in Software Sources" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96705
[14:31] <pitti> (and we should do it soon, since we are in UI freeze)
[14:32] <mvo> pitti: yeah, give the synaptic ones to me too
[14:32] <pitti> ok, thanks
[14:35] <pitti> Riddell: can you comment on the KDE ones? anything which is inappropriate for the list?
[14:35] <Riddell> 99044 is a feature
[14:35] <Riddell> 19802 ugly but not that important
[14:35] <Riddell> 36655 I have no way of testing unless someone gets me a modem
[14:36] <Riddell> 50039 likely very complex to fix
[14:36] <Riddell> 125767 I don't know what this one is about, would need to look into it, sounds like a feature
[14:37] <Riddell> 145337 is on my todo :)
[14:37] <pitti> Riddell: bug 99044 sounds like the counterpart of bug 32917
[14:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99044 in kdebase "KDM does not work if disk is full and gives no warning about it" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99044
[14:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 32917 in rhythmbox "Multimedia keys only works after re-configuring in gnome-keybinding-properties and restarting rhythmbox" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32917
[14:37] <pitti> erm, I mean bug 35217
[14:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35217 in gdm "Unable to login when disk space is exhausted" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35217
[14:37] <pitti> Riddell: so with /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp it might be fixed for Kubuntu as well?
[14:37] <Riddell> yes, it does
[14:37] <Riddell> I don't know what that does
[14:38] <Riddell> I can look into it
[14:38] <pitti> Riddell: it creates an 1 MB tmpfs on /tmp if / is full
[14:38] <pitti> Riddell: tedg will test it for GNOME
[14:38] <pitti> Riddell: I think that'll solve it for /; it might be an issue if /home is on a separate partition and /home is full, though
[14:39] <pitti> Riddell: 19802 should be untagged then?
[14:40] <Riddell> pitti: indeed, I don't think it's worth spending much time on
[14:41] <pitti> Riddell: bug 125767> ah, I see; I think it means that if you have configured a wifi in /etc/network/interfaces, there's no GUI way to disable it again
[14:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125767 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager Can't Set "Roaming Mode"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125767
[14:41] <Riddell> right, that's a pain and should be fixed, but it's not my highest priority
[14:41] <pitti> Riddell: in GNOME, we have a "Configure manually..." menu item in network-manager which spawns the network configuration tool (network-admin in gnome)
[14:41] <Riddell> we do too
[14:42] <pitti> which allows you to disable the /e/n/i one
[14:42] <pitti> ah, ok
[14:42] <pitti> "Riddell| 125767 I don't know what this one is about", so I thought I'd explain
[14:42] <Riddell> and now I know :)
[14:42] <pitti> Riddell: I agree that it's not an OMGRELEASEBLOCKER thing
[14:42] <pitti> so, untaggin it is then?
[14:43] <Riddell> shrug, keep it tagged, maybe me or someone else will find time for it
[14:43] <pitti> Riddell: at least it should be reassigned to the network kcontrol package?
[14:43] <Riddell> yes (kdeadmin)
[14:43] <pitti> since a normal user can't change /e/n/interfaces anyway
[14:43] <pitti> ok, thanks
[14:44] <pitti> Riddell: hm, 145337 is in fact a KDE bug? sounds like a hal bug at first sight
[14:44] <Riddell> pitti: likely an issue with kmilo
[14:44] <Riddell> so kdeutils is the right place for it
[14:45] <pitti> alright
[14:45] <pitti> so, I think that's the list; any questions, comments, bugs to discuss/throw out/reassign due to overload/cry for help?
[14:46] <pitti> I personally don't have a lot of milestoned/tagged ones
[14:46] <pitti> so I'm concentrating on hal/utopia ones ATM to improve hardware support
[14:46] <seb128_> we have lot of desktop bugs, anybody is welcome to crack on those ;-)
[14:46] <pitti> so I can help out if you need me
[14:46] <seb128_> nobody does avahi by any chance?
[14:46] <pitti> seb128_: I'm interested in learning about gvfs, I might have a stab on it
[14:47] <seb128_> pitti: cool ;-)
[14:47] <pitti> avahi> lool?
[14:47]  * seb128_ hugs pitti
[14:47] <seb128_> pitti: lool is mobile team now though
[14:48] <pitti> seb128_: I don't know much about it, but I have good contact to Lennart
[14:49] <pitti> seb128_: so if you stumble across a bad one, toss it to me, and I'll discuss it with him and see what I can do
[14:49] <seb128_> pitti: ok, that's my issue, avahi doesn't go out of the registering state on my desktop
[14:49] <seb128_> might be a race with network manager or something
[14:49] <seb128_> there is several similar issue on launchpad
[14:50] <seb128_> that breaks totally gvfs dns-sd
[14:50] <pitti> seb128_: ok, I added "look at avahi bugs" to my TODO list
[14:50] <seb128_> restarting avahi make it work correctly
[14:50] <seb128_> does lennart do IRC?
[14:50] <seb128_> could you ask him what informations would be useful to him?
[14:51] <pitti> occasionally, but most often I use jabber
[14:51] <seb128_> ok
[14:51] <pitti> seb128_: bug#?
[14:51] <seb128_> if you have a chance to ask him
[14:51] <pitti> sure
[14:51] <seb128_> pitti: I should likely open a bug upstream
[14:51] <pitti> seb128_: if it totally breaks, please add qa-hardy-list
[14:51] <seb128_> but yet another bug tracker where to register
[14:51] <pitti> seb128_: so the avahid started from rc2.d has that problem?
[14:52] <seb128_> yes
[14:52] <seb128_> but not on all the system
[14:52] <pitti> seb128_: ok, let's handle htat in #u-devel, shall we?
[14:52] <seb128_> it does on my desktop
[14:52] <pitti> any other topics for the meeting?
[14:52] <seb128_> and there is similar issues on launchpad
[14:52] <seb128_> yes, thanks
[14:52] <seb128_> no other topic
[14:52] <pitti> ok, thanks everyone then
[14:52] <pitti> let's go zap bugz!
[14:53] <seb128_> ;-)
[14:53] <seb128_> thanks pitti
[14:53] <tedg> :)
[14:54] <mvo> thanks
[14:58] <pitti> seb128_: let me write and send the meeting report, then I'll get back to you
[14:58] <seb128_> pitti: sure
[15:56] <mruiz> @schedule Santiago
[15:56] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Santiago: 08 Mar 08:00: Kubuntu Developers | 12 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 19 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 17:00: Server Team