=== Varka_ is now known as Varka === bmk789_ is now known as bmk789_chrrrr === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Sp4rKy_ is now known as Sp4rKy === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === doko_ is now known as doko === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [13:44] hi all [13:50] pitti: hey [13:50] I'm not going to be able to lead today's meeting [13:50] there's a lot of brown material hitting a lot of rotary air cooling devices that I need to try and catch before it creates a mess [13:51] could you lead it for me? I've put the page together, only thing on the agenda is a new item to go down the QA desktop bug list and make sure someone's claimed each one or removed it [13:53] Keybuk: ok, no problem [13:53] hello [13:55] hi [13:55] * mvo waves [13:56] Keybuk: ok, found the page and the bug list [13:57] pitti: what bug list? [13:57] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html [13:58] ah [13:59] tedg: here? [13:59] Yes. [13:59] good morning :) [13:59] good morning scott [13:59] hm, AFAICS we are just missing Mirco [14:00] and mpt, but he said he was busy with LP this week [14:00] mirco is on Cebit leave [14:00] pitti: leading the meeting? [14:00] ah [14:00] Yes, Scott is EBUSY [14:00] ok [14:00] desktop meeting, right? [14:01] Good morning [14:01] does anyone have some new agenda items? [14:01] hello mpt [14:01] Yeah, virtual interfaces in HAL. [14:01] right [14:01] They show up in NetworkManger and are very annoying. [14:02] so, there is some discussion on the ML about this [14:02] kees asked me to pull the hal patch for this [14:02] Oh, haven't gotten to that yet :) [14:02] other people seem to think that fixing NM to deal with them would be better [14:02] IMHO it should be asac's decision, since he will end up being the one who fixes the bug [14:02] * pitti pings him [14:03] Is that why I have non-existent "RR-TPN", "TPN", and "TPN-PPPoE" networks showing up in NM? [14:03] mpt: if it started a few days ago, then most likely [14:03] mpt: Perhaps, but my show up as "Unknown Computer" [14:04] so, let's defer this until asac turns up, or let's decide it on the ML [14:04] does that work for everyone? [14:04] Yeah. [14:04] so, the only agenda point today is to walk over the QA hardy list and make sure about who is working on what [14:04] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/qa-hardy-list-archive/sort-by-package/desktop-buglist.html [14:04] let's go through everything starting from the top which is not assinged to a particular person [14:05] if some bug is assigned to you, but you don't think you can work on it, please shout [14:05] 131976 (apparmor) [14:05] IMHO that shouldn't be on the list; we worked around it in casper, and getting AA to work is not very critical for the live system IMHO [14:06] * asac reading backlog [14:06] asac: Q: should I pull the 'virtual net interfaces' patch from hal (as requested by Kees) or do you want to fix n-m to ignore them? [14:06] pitti: whats the problem with the interfaces? (summary please) [14:07] I take the command-not-found and apt ones (next three) [14:07] asac: see ML [14:07] pitti: subject? [14:07] asac: distro-team@, some activity report [14:08] ok i have found it i guess [14:08] mvo: thanks [14:08] so, there's a bunch of compiz bugs [14:08] mvo: we have quite a good relation to upstream for compiz, right? [14:08] bug 198295 [14:08] asac: I didn't try yet using the new nm but some days ago when starting virtualbox nm was switching from the wireless network I'm using to the wired network [14:08] Launchpad bug 198295 in hal "FF exception request: update hal to git head" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198295 [14:09] yes, but I think 99508 is actually a X bug [14:09] mvo: do you think you could talk to upstream about those and check which can be fixed, and which should be taken off the list? [14:09] I can do that [14:09] #127705 is extremly unlikey to get fixed [14:09] pitti: can we ctake that off the meeting. i cannot really tell right now whats going on and don't feel like i can make a decision based on the info i currently have [14:10] asac: sure [14:10] tedg: can you please file a bug about that NM behaviour and attach a full syslog to it? [14:10] asac: thanks [14:10] asac: ML? [14:10] mvo: hm, that one sounds like a bug for TheMuso to look into? [14:10] pitti: first bug ... then ML if we have results [14:10] pitti: is there still a apckage with that patch somewhere? ppa? [14:10] asac: current hardy does have that patch [14:11] ok [14:11] asac: current ppa, too; bzr head doesn't any more [14:11] pitti: I'm happy to talk to him about it, but its a difficult one IIRC the problem is conceptual, compiz does not use pango in its core so there is no atk [14:11] tedg: ok, please file a bug then. [14:11] on window switching [14:11] mvo: can you please assign the other bugs to you? I'll talk to TheMuso about the speak one [14:11] and discuss taking it off the list otherwise [14:11] I would like to share some of the others with mirco if possible [14:11] sure [14:11] right [14:12] * pitti hugs mvo, thanks [14:12] bug 146918 is an interesting one [14:12] Launchpad bug 146918 in gnome-volume-manager "poor descriptions for some startup programs" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146918 [14:12] quite easy to fix, but should be done in accordance with upstream for not breaking translations too hard [14:13] seb128: a 'desktop-bugs' assignee means basically you? (as primary responsibility, and you coordinate the delegation)? [14:13] or is it just a kind of 'this is a desktop bug' task [14:13] pitti: yes, usually it means me [14:13] s/task$/tag/ [14:14] seb128: are you ok with the 'desktop-bugs' assignments on that page, or do we need to discuss any of it? [14:14] looking [14:14] I did untag all the bugs I want to fix and milestone those some days ago [14:14] I didn't understand the page was supposed to be a list of things we need to fix [14:14] I though it was a list of suggestions to consider === mpt_ is now known as mpt [14:15] and that we were supposed to untag or milestone [14:15] I'll take care of the system-config-printer task of #146918 (speak with Till) [14:15] seb128: correct [14:15] I'm fine with those assigned to desktop-bugs [14:15] seb128: that's what I mean, if a bug is not really appropriate for hardy, then we should take it off [14:16] and we can discuss it here [14:16] well, either untag or,and milestone until getting the list empty, right? [14:16] "Unable to login when disk space is exhausted" [14:16] I'll not likely work on this one [14:16] didn't we have a spec for that? [14:16] who was assigned to it? [14:16] right, Ian was working on it [14:16] until he left [14:16] well, I though he did implemented it for gutsy [14:16] hm, didn't we get the 1 MB tmpfs /tmp at least? [14:17] /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp [14:17] rcS.d/S37 [14:17] so shouldn't that be fixed? [14:18] I though it would be but I didn't check [14:18] seb128: so if /tmp was the actual issue, it should be fixed [14:18] if ENOSPACE on ~ is a problem, too, then we need more fixes [14:18] does anyone feel like giving this a test? [14:19] and adopting this bug for the duration of the test at least? [14:19] I'll try to do that while doing desktop testing if nobody else do but not guaranty, I've tons of things on my hardy list [14:19] tedg: ^ interested? [14:20] tedg: Sure, I can try. I haven't looked at the bug, is there detail on how to reproduce? [14:21] tedg: I guess it shuold work to log out, dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/bigfile until it aborts, and then logging in [14:21] erm, maybe not /tmp [14:21] /bigfile [14:21] and then reboot [14:21] i. e. fill your root partition to the max, and check if you can log in [14:22] I think I'll virtualize that test ;) [14:22] kwwii: how does your schedule look like? do you have some time to look into bug 149437? [14:22] Launchpad bug 149437 in example-content "Examples folder content should be updated for Gutsy" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149437 [14:22] on bug 149437 we might get an update from a design company, keybuck would know more [14:22] kwwii: I'm fine with doing the actual package update, but we need someone to run over the documents and check which need updating [14:23] ah [14:23] neat [14:23] I have been waiting the whole time to press enter on that comment :-) [14:23] * pitti hugs kwwii [14:23] kwwii: could you talk to him and ask him about this? [14:23] pitti: yepp, I'll stay on top of it [14:23] cool; mind to assing the bug to you? [14:23] yepp, will do [14:24] cool, thanks [14:25] * pitti reads bug 149665 and wonders whether tedg already knows something about it [14:25] Launchpad bug 149665 in linux-source-2.6.22 "when returning from suspend my laptop tries to hibernate" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149665 [14:25] asac: bug 199140 [14:25] an upstream "Linux" task header with a gnome bug, yay [14:25] Launchpad bug 199140 in network-manager "Network manager shows and connects to virtual interfaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199140 [14:26] what is this bug list? I don't understand how these bugs were chosen to be special and why there's a list there rather than on launchpad [14:27] pitti: Yeah, the curious part about that one is gpm blocks all events until it resyncs for that reason. [14:27] tedg: do we already have the patch davidz mentions in http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=486138#c6 ? [14:27] Gnome bug 486138 in gnome-power-manager "suspend after resume from hibernate" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [14:27] Riddell: it's the qa-hardy-list tag sorted by team [14:28] and they're chosen just by qa team considering them important? [14:29] No, that's on my list to look at from Fedora. [14:29] tedg: anyway, assuming that the bug reporters answer, could you collect enough hal and g-p-m logs from them to update the upstream bug? At least finding out whether it's a hal or g-p-m bug? (the reporters should try the hal git snapshot in my PPA, to be uploaded tomorrow after alpha-6) [14:29] tedg: ok, so seems you already own that bug? [14:29] pitti: Yes. [14:29] Riddell: its a pool that we should pull from, not a commitment list [14:29] Riddell: IIRC it was choosen for bugs which are particularly annoying people, or have many dups, etc. [14:30] * tedg needs to go buy 10 random laptops to recreate some of these... [14:30] Riddell: we can untag them if a bug isn't something appropriate for hardy [14:30] tedg: I think if we can get detailled logs and pinpoint whether it's gpm or hal and send it to David, we have a good chance [14:31] mvo: bug 96705 sounds easy to fix? [14:31] Launchpad bug 96705 in synaptic "Unclear language about Automatic Updates in Software Sources" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96705 [14:31] (and we should do it soon, since we are in UI freeze) === mpt_ is now known as mpt [14:32] pitti: yeah, give the synaptic ones to me too [14:32] ok, thanks [14:35] Riddell: can you comment on the KDE ones? anything which is inappropriate for the list? [14:35] 99044 is a feature [14:35] 19802 ugly but not that important [14:35] 36655 I have no way of testing unless someone gets me a modem [14:36] 50039 likely very complex to fix [14:36] 125767 I don't know what this one is about, would need to look into it, sounds like a feature [14:37] 145337 is on my todo :) [14:37] Riddell: bug 99044 sounds like the counterpart of bug 32917 [14:37] Launchpad bug 99044 in kdebase "KDM does not work if disk is full and gives no warning about it" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99044 [14:37] Launchpad bug 32917 in rhythmbox "Multimedia keys only works after re-configuring in gnome-keybinding-properties and restarting rhythmbox" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/32917 [14:37] erm, I mean bug 35217 [14:37] Launchpad bug 35217 in gdm "Unable to login when disk space is exhausted" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35217 [14:37] Riddell: so with /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp it might be fixed for Kubuntu as well? [14:37] yes, it does [14:37] I don't know what that does [14:38] I can look into it [14:38] Riddell: it creates an 1 MB tmpfs on /tmp if / is full [14:38] Riddell: tedg will test it for GNOME [14:38] Riddell: I think that'll solve it for /; it might be an issue if /home is on a separate partition and /home is full, though [14:39] Riddell: 19802 should be untagged then? [14:40] pitti: indeed, I don't think it's worth spending much time on [14:41] Riddell: bug 125767> ah, I see; I think it means that if you have configured a wifi in /etc/network/interfaces, there's no GUI way to disable it again [14:41] Launchpad bug 125767 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager Can't Set "Roaming Mode"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125767 [14:41] right, that's a pain and should be fixed, but it's not my highest priority [14:41] Riddell: in GNOME, we have a "Configure manually..." menu item in network-manager which spawns the network configuration tool (network-admin in gnome) [14:41] we do too [14:42] which allows you to disable the /e/n/i one [14:42] ah, ok [14:42] "Riddell| 125767 I don't know what this one is about", so I thought I'd explain [14:42] and now I know :) [14:42] Riddell: I agree that it's not an OMGRELEASEBLOCKER thing [14:42] so, untaggin it is then? [14:43] shrug, keep it tagged, maybe me or someone else will find time for it [14:43] Riddell: at least it should be reassigned to the network kcontrol package? [14:43] yes (kdeadmin) [14:43] since a normal user can't change /e/n/interfaces anyway [14:43] ok, thanks [14:44] Riddell: hm, 145337 is in fact a KDE bug? sounds like a hal bug at first sight [14:44] pitti: likely an issue with kmilo [14:44] so kdeutils is the right place for it [14:45] alright [14:45] so, I think that's the list; any questions, comments, bugs to discuss/throw out/reassign due to overload/cry for help? [14:46] I personally don't have a lot of milestoned/tagged ones [14:46] so I'm concentrating on hal/utopia ones ATM to improve hardware support [14:46] we have lot of desktop bugs, anybody is welcome to crack on those ;-) [14:46] so I can help out if you need me [14:46] nobody does avahi by any chance? [14:46] seb128_: I'm interested in learning about gvfs, I might have a stab on it [14:47] pitti: cool ;-) [14:47] avahi> lool? [14:47] * seb128_ hugs pitti [14:47] pitti: lool is mobile team now though [14:48] seb128_: I don't know much about it, but I have good contact to Lennart [14:49] seb128_: so if you stumble across a bad one, toss it to me, and I'll discuss it with him and see what I can do [14:49] pitti: ok, that's my issue, avahi doesn't go out of the registering state on my desktop [14:49] might be a race with network manager or something [14:49] there is several similar issue on launchpad [14:50] that breaks totally gvfs dns-sd [14:50] seb128_: ok, I added "look at avahi bugs" to my TODO list [14:50] restarting avahi make it work correctly [14:50] does lennart do IRC? [14:50] could you ask him what informations would be useful to him? [14:51] occasionally, but most often I use jabber [14:51] ok [14:51] seb128_: bug#? [14:51] if you have a chance to ask him [14:51] sure [14:51] pitti: I should likely open a bug upstream [14:51] seb128_: if it totally breaks, please add qa-hardy-list [14:51] but yet another bug tracker where to register [14:51] seb128_: so the avahid started from rc2.d has that problem? [14:52] yes [14:52] but not on all the system [14:52] seb128_: ok, let's handle htat in #u-devel, shall we? [14:52] it does on my desktop [14:52] any other topics for the meeting? [14:52] and there is similar issues on launchpad [14:52] yes, thanks [14:52] no other topic [14:52] ok, thanks everyone then [14:52] let's go zap bugz! [14:53] ;-) [14:53] thanks pitti [14:53] :) [14:54] thanks [14:58] seb128_: let me write and send the meeting report, then I'll get back to you [14:58] pitti: sure === \sh is now known as \sh_away === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === Pricey is now known as PriceChild [15:56] @schedule Santiago [15:56] Schedule for America/Santiago: 08 Mar 08:00: Kubuntu Developers | 12 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 19 Mar 17:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 17:00: Server Team === asac_ is now known as asac === Mithrand1r is now known as Mithrandir === nalioth__ is now known as nalioth === \sh_away is now known as \sh === juliank0 is now known as juliank === _czessi is now known as Czessi === ember_ is now known as ember === \sh is now known as \sh_away === nijaba is now known as nijaba[away] === nijaba[away] is now known as nijaba === nijaba is now known as nijaba[away]