[04:35] <mneptok> nalioth: can you find me a #gentoo op?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> what for?  to shoot?
[04:37] <mneptok> heh
[04:37] <mneptok> nah, they have someone in their channel that just annoyed the piss outta #ubuntu
[04:37] <mneptok> they're next, prolly
[04:39] <nalioth> mneptok: PM me the nick of the individual
[04:40]  * nalioth happens to be a #gentoo op
[04:42] <Jack_Sparrow> dark_angel
[07:27] <ubotu> MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu (tarkus (troll))
[10:55] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[10:56] <Myrtti> is anyone else following the convo on -ot
[11:06] <jussi01> no, 1 line summary?
[11:08] <Myrtti> DrDerek
[11:08] <Seveas> Myrtti, sigh, if I had seen it in time he'd be banned
[11:09]  * elkbuntu wishes we had a 'ban in retrospect' allowance sometimes
[11:28] <jussi01> does anyone know if auto_bleh has a kick forward option? (without banning)
[11:32] <Seveas> a forward is a ban
[11:33] <jussi01> ok. 
[12:14] <Mez> * nalioth happens to be a #gentoo op <--- aren't you just an op EVERYWHERE ? *steals your superpowers*
[12:15] <jussi01> Mez: nalioth is _the_ man, he _owns_ freenode :P 
[12:16] <Mez> jussi01, no, christel is _the_ woman she _owns_ freenode :P
[12:16] <jussi01> lol
[12:16] <jussi01> Mez: true, but nalioth is right there beside her :D (rock on nalioth )
[12:17] <Mez> lol
[12:17] <jussi01> now, how many times did we ping him :P??
[12:17] <Mez> thats a scary thought
[12:17] <Mez> I'm sure he doesnt higlight his own name, I think he highlights on random stuff, he certainly turns up at strange times
[12:18] <jussi01> heh, probably, like if you said !sta.ff
[12:18] <Mez> nah, he doesnt always turn up then :P
[12:18] <Mez> maybe on "piss"
[12:19] <jussi01> Mez: I have that on hilight :P
[12:19] <Mez> lol
[12:23] <Seveas> piss off :p
[12:23] <jussi01> hahahahahhahaha
[12:24] <Mez> Seveas, lol - by the way, I think the number you have on Nickserv for you is wrong
[12:24] <Mez> I tried to annoy you yesterday and it didnt get through
[12:24] <Seveas> battery is dead
[12:24] <Mez> ah lol, well, when you charge, if you charge in the next 48 hours, you'll have a message from me.
[12:25] <Mez> Ignore it
[13:09] <Pici> Strawberryjam: Hello, how can we help you today?
[13:10] <Strawberryjam> hey there, i have been banned from #ubuntu, might be accidently
[13:10] <Pici> Let me take a look at our logs, hold on
[13:10] <Strawberryjam> i used MIRC power pack as recommended
[13:10] <Strawberryjam> and i think it did somthing automatically
[13:11] <Strawberryjam> ok thnx
[13:11] <Strawberryjam> btw...i am new to all this
[13:14] <Pici> Strawberryjam: When was the last time you were in #ubuntu?
[13:14] <Strawberryjam> about 2 days ago...i remember right clicking a users name, then i was muted i think...then banned
[13:16] <Pici> Strawberryjam: You pasted the definition of 'flatulent' into the channel.
[13:16] <Strawberryjam> yep...i remember that turned out to be flooding...not my intention at all
[13:17] <Pici> Did you mean to paste that at all?
[13:17] <Strawberryjam> i was looking for a response to someone that said he farted (lol
[13:18] <Strawberryjam> then that happened...had no idea it would paste it on diff lines
[13:19] <Pici> Strawberryjam: Can you Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines , #ubuntu is a support channel, its not for joking around, regardless of if other people are doing so.
[13:19] <Strawberryjam> i also think that my client must have done somthing when i got muted...i have no idea what
[13:19] <Strawberryjam> i understand that...its my major source of information, i am sorry
[13:20] <Pici> Strawberryjam: Please read those guidelines and when you are done you may rejoin #ubuntu.  also take note of the channel topics here and in #ubuntu.
[13:21] <Strawberryjam> thank you...one more thing...could you recommend a secure irc client...the one i used was recommendedby a friend, but it might get me into trouble
[13:24] <Myrtti> on which os?
[13:24] <Myrtti> Linux, Windows?
[13:24] <Strawberryjam> linux and windows....i am using pidgin now in linux...
[13:25] <Myrtti> xchat is nice if you prefer qui
[13:25] <Myrtti> gui, even
[13:26] <Strawberryjam> ok...i'll take some time and check them out...thank you for your time, and help
[13:26] <Strawberryjam> bye
[13:26] <Myrtti> bye
[13:47] <Pici> LjL: I was just thinking the same thing. 
[13:48] <Pici> And now it seems they brough a few more with them.
[13:49] <LjL> Pici: they're still talking crap
[13:50] <LjL> Pici: [14:49:28] <apanknen> anybody got any good porn sites <- reason of the kick
[13:51] <Pici> LjL: *shakes head*, do they realize that they are muted?
[13:51] <LjL> i don't think so
[13:51] <jrib> what's with sudobash?
[13:52] <LjL> jrib: uhm i banned him yesterday
[13:52] <Pici> 08:51:12 <?sudobash> you need to take the second ban down off or i will just keep using proxy servers
[13:52] <Jucato> :)
[13:53] <dgjones> Was just coming to point out sudobash's comments about a ban, but I see Pici just mentioned it, I'll go in that case
[13:53] <Pici> :)
[13:54] <LjL> [14:53:37] <sudobash> dude I help people a lot with Ubuntu
[13:54] <LjL> [14:53:56] <LjL> come to discuss in #ubuntu-ops if you want
[13:54] <LjL> [14:54:09] <sudobash> and I have some strong ties at Dell
[13:55] <LjL> sudobash, ban evasion, by policy, is completely unacceptable. since you help a lot as you said, you certainly should have known that, as well as the fact that #ubuntu is far from the right place to appeal a ban.
[13:56] <sudobash> ok fine i will go to efnet if ubuntu isnt the right place to help people who use ubuntu
[13:56] <sudobash> which it is
[13:57] <LjL> sudobash, as you wish
[13:57] <sudobash> man i have used ubuntu for 1 1/2 years now and I help as much as I can... and there a lot of people in there
[13:58] <sudobash> you think i want to be banned from the largest freenode channel where I can help out someone?
[13:59] <LjL> sudobash, i don't try to "think" what you want or do not want to do
[13:59] <sudobash> i should have not said a thing and i would still be in there helping
[13:59] <LjL> i just look at what is acceptable behavior and what is not
[14:00] <sudobash> better off not knowing my IP anyways the way people talk here about laws, rules and enforcement
[14:00] <sudobash> should have been using a proxy the whole time
[14:01] <sudobash> but you put a block on my nick now
[14:01] <LjL> sudobash, i invited you here in case you wanted to discuss, not to make a pointless monologue
[14:01] <Myrtti> what on earth is this
[14:02] <sudobash> yeah could I please have the ban lifted so i can continue to be of some use to Ubuntu users?
[14:02] <LjL> sudobash, you certainly know that open proxies are not even allowed by freenode
[14:02] <LjL> sudobash: no, not at this stage, and ban evasion didn't help it at all either
[14:02] <LjL> hi LukeL, can we help you?
[14:02] <LukeL> hi, just curious
[14:03] <sudobash> i wasnt sure where to ask for it
[14:03] <Myrtti> LukeL: did you read the topic?
[14:03] <LukeL> nope, now I have cyas
[14:04] <LjL> sudobash: well, i think you've been around long enough to know about this channel, but still, even if you didn't
[14:04] <LjL> [14:48] <sudobash> well... i got around your ban
[14:04] <LjL> [14:51] <sudobash> you need to take the second ban down off or i will just keep using proxy servers
[14:04] <LjL> [14:52] <sudobash> how bout an op taking off the second ban down on the list
[14:04] <LjL> [14:52] <sudobash> or you might as well ban this proxy too
[14:04] <LjL> this is not "asking", this is "threatening"
[14:04] <sudobash> why doesnt freenode prevent proxy connects then?
[14:05] <LjL> sudobash: well, i'm not freenode staff, you may want to ask one of them, such as nalioth
[14:05] <sudobash> man i have been around but I havent read all the rules
[14:05] <Myrtti> freenode != ubuntu, ubuntu != freenode
[14:05] <LjL> sudobash: it doesn't take reading the rules to know that the way you handled it is called threatening
[14:05] <sudobash> well i didnt mean to come off like that
[14:06] <sudobash> i should have found this channel
[14:06] <Pici> What about: 2008-03-04T16:41:48 <sudobash> wow and people talk about windows apps and shit... I help people as much as I can here but Im sick of the constant nazi regime act
[14:06] <sudobash> and asked
[14:06] <LjL> Pici: well, that was why i banned in the first place, after i had asked him and others, *kindly*, to bring a couple of offtopic discussions to -offtopic.
[14:06] <Myrtti> eeyyyyygghhh
[14:06] <Pici> LjL: I'm not questioning you ;)
[14:07] <Myrtti> that's a nasty line there, sudobash 
[14:07] <sudobash> your right I probably shouldnt be allow back in there but I should take to freenode people about proxy detection
[14:07] <LjL> Pici: yet i'm explaining, always helps
[14:07] <sudobash> allowed
[14:08] <LjL> sudobash, proxy detection is not an exact science.
[14:08] <LjL> that doesn't allow you to dodge bans just because you've been lucky enough to manage to evade the technical measures put against it.
[14:08] <sudobash> yeah thats true... i was doing it in high school to get around their blocks and they had no clue
[14:11] <sudobash> i didnt think about i just did it not thinking i was breaking a rule but i knew i shouldnt have joined ubuntu... I am just sick of some of the people in there acting like they are better than everyone else... I mean help some noobs out dont bash them and each other just because you are disagreeing about something stupid.
[14:12] <sudobash> but anyway Im sure you are all like what a waste of time
[14:12] <LjL> sudobash, i wasn't disagreeing about anything, i was simply asking to bring "windows apps and shit" to #ubuntu-offtopic, where it belongs. that's my duty as an operator.
[14:12] <sudobash> i understand that and i was disrespectful at the time so i apologize.
[14:15] <sudobash> so like after a month would you consider taking the ban off?
[14:16] <LjL> sudobash: yes
[14:18] <sudobash> cool I appreciate that
[14:18] <LjL> sudobash: meanwhile, do check out the guidelines if, as you said, you haven't before
[14:19] <LjL> !etiquette > sudobash    (sudobash, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:19] <sudobash> roger
[14:21] <Pici> Myrtti: around?
[14:21] <Myrtti> yup
[14:22] <LjL> sudobash: and please try to keep in mind that there is no way that you'll *always* agree with what the ops do. people have differing opinions about how a channel should be run, but that never justifies being abusive.
[14:22] <Pici> Myrtti: What do you think of the current -ot conversation?
[14:22] <LjL> they're, uhm, talking about marriage?
[14:22] <Pici> I meant the marriage jokes about women....
[14:24] <LjL> i don't think i've seen the two main partecipants in -ot before
[14:24] <Myrtti> yup
[14:24] <Pici> They don't bother me particularly (not very funny imo though), I just wanted to make sure that someone of the female persuasion was comfortable with them.
[14:25] <Myrtti> they're just so old and boring I don't even register them as anti-womenish
[14:25] <Pici> Ten four.
[14:26] <sudobash> very true
[14:26] <sudobash> so yall watch #ubuntu and talk about what they are talking about in there to decide among the @'s what is offtopic and what not? lol thats pretty cool....
[14:26] <Myrtti> sure they would be a bit offensive, but still they're so old and boring that I wouldn't bother even to lift a finger... (nowait I've done so several times to type this message)
[14:26] <sudobash> may I ask what the bots are coded with?
[14:26] <LjL> sudobash, not always
[14:27] <LjL> sudobash, ubotu is a customized supybot
[14:27] <Myrtti> borderline cases are discussed
[14:27] <LjL> Pici: -.-. ..-. --
[14:27] <sudobash> one second
[14:28] <LjL> two too
[14:30] <Pici> Amaranth: el-kbuntu among others requested it be removed.
[14:31] <LjL> Pici: what?
[14:31] <Pici> LjL: twss
[14:31] <LjL> ah
[14:31] <Myrtti> excellent
[14:32] <sudobash> could i possibly do some free scripting or c++ to gain access to #ubuntu again?
[14:33] <LjL> sudobash, no, a ban is a ban and if we just removed bans on request they'd be no use, yet you can keep helping Ubuntu in many other ways: you can file and triage bug reports, you can answer the forums or support requests, for instance
[14:33] <LjL> !support
[14:33] <ubotu> The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org
[14:33] <Myrtti> and the ban will be removed in due time.
[14:34] <sudobash> wow how long did i prolong it with the ban evasion?
[14:34] <LjL> sudobash: it didn't help. i can't give you a number, we don't have a table with ban lengths...
[14:35] <sudobash> alright well I'll leave you all alone
[15:17] <sudobash> umm i have a question... some how i managed to play an flv with VLC but for some reason the VLC gui wasnt visible anywhere not even in a terminal and the gnome monitor says that VLC was sleeping and using 0% of CPU... normally it uses over 10% even if minimized... is there a way to recreate this (it was an accident)... the video wasnt playing but the audo was...
[15:18] <sudobash> like a way to force a process to sleep to minimize cpu usage
[15:18] <Pici> sudobash: This isn't a support channel.
[15:20] <sudobash> i know i cant go there i figured you all might be interested in processes that behave strangely operating in sleeping mode and not using cpu but still operating somewhat normally
[15:20] <sudobash> or maybe it was just a fluke
[15:21] <sudobash> interesting though if you could get your cpu to do something without directly doing it i couldnt really explain it...
[15:21] <sudobash> sorry
[15:23] <Pici> I removed the banforward, made it a regular ban.
[15:28] <jdong> *cough* compiz still renders the video in the background
[15:39] <PriceChild> I wonder why I got disconnected.
[15:40] <Pici> magnetron: Whats up magnetron?
[15:40] <magnetron> hi, i think there's a new bot in #ubuntu-offtopic . TheEgg
[15:40] <magnetron> a chatting bot.
[15:41] <Pici> magnetron: thanks
[15:42] <Amaranth> --- [TheEgg] (n=rbot@c83-250-186-60.bredband.comhem.se) : Ruby bot. (c) Tom Gilbert
[15:43] <Amaranth> at least he doesn't try to hide it?
[16:44] <jussi01> wha???? root__: root___ root_______ and root________ in #kubuntu
[16:45] <stdin> yeah, I noticed that too
[16:45] <Pici> and root______
[16:45] <stdin> all from Venezuela
[16:45] <Pici> /who root_*
[16:46] <no0tic> no clones, anyway
[16:47] <stdin> all from the same ISP too
[17:45] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu (PS11)
[19:06] <Myrtti> ubotu's lagging again
[19:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about s lagging again - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:06] <Pici> lies
[19:07] <Myrtti> at least on -ot
[19:07] <Pici> !lag
[19:07] <ubotu> You have lag, I don't have lag
[19:10] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, magnetron said: !lunix is an illegal hacker operating system invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos. At least, that's what http://adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html say..
[19:14] <ubotu> In ubotu, magnetron said: !lunix is a capricious beast, according to http://adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html
[19:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell magnetron about botabuse
[19:15] <Pici> ubotu: tell magnetron about b
[19:18] <Mez> !b
[19:18] <ubotu> b is an IRC mode that you don't want on your hostname.
[20:44] <nxvl> hi
[20:44] <nxvl> iÂ'm from the Peruvian LoCo Council
[20:44] <nxvl> and i was wondering what's needed to have ubotu around
[20:45] <LjL> nxvl, why is the channel set up as private? :|
[20:45] <nxvl> mm
[20:45] <nxvl> let me ask
[20:46] <LjL> nxvl, are you sure it wouldn't be better to have botijo, the spanish-speaking bot?
[20:46] <nxvl> oh, i didn't know that exist
[20:47] <LjL> nxvl, ask in #ubuntu-irc about it please
[20:47] <nxvl> ok
[20:47] <nxvl> thnx
[22:43] <ubotu> MilitantPotato called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[23:11] <tonyyarusso> Okay, someone seriously needs to remind me in about 2 hours that I really need to fix my package and get some MOTUs to upload it before we get any closer to release...It's totally minor, but my memory stinks.  :)
[23:11] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: why not do it now?
[23:12] <tonyyarusso> Seeker`: Because the stuff I need to build it is on a computer in a different city.
[23:12] <Seeker`> ah
[23:14] <LjL> tonyyarusso, it's not like your shiny ubuntu system comes with a shiny calendar and reminders applet built in...
[23:14] <tonyyarusso> LjL: 'course not.  It is however like I'm stuck on a Mac right at this moment.
[23:15] <Seeker`> tonyyarusso: ewww :P
[23:15] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i'll DDoS you in two hours then
[23:16]  * Seeker` considers installing hardy on his laptop
[23:16] <LjL> that should remind you
[23:16] <tonyyarusso> LjL: wfm