| stond | i am a kubuntu user right now thinking about switching to xubuntu is xubuntu a nice desktop and should I switch | 00:16 |
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| Wisteela | yes, at least until the KDE4 version of kubuntu is final | 00:16 |
| stond | I am in the middle of a torrent download using ktorrent if i use the synaptic package manager to install the xubuntu will i lose my download and have to start over | 00:19 |
| Wisteela | shouldn't have thought so. though you could always just install xfce from synaptic and try it out that way. | 00:20 |
| stond | I have no need for office software the reason I am switching is because I heard it was faster pluse I heard you can install Windows XP on a virtual HDD | 00:23 |
| zoredache | stond: installing xp in a virtual machine is not unique to xubuntu... you can do that on almost all distrobutions | 00:24 |
| stond | yes but I heard it was easier with xubuntu desktop | 00:25 |
| zoredache | stond: I doubt there is any difference between kubuntu and xubuntu | 00:26 |
| zoredache | the exact same tools are used in both locations | 00:26 |
| stond | I still think I am going to switch because I am tried of the kubuntu look and I could always go back to kubuntu when KDE 4 release the final and stable version | 00:28 |
| zoredache | xfce is good... I like it, it is worth at least trying. | 00:29 |
| Wisteela | stond, you really might as well just grab xfce from synaptic rather than completely reinstalling | 00:30 |
| stond | what is xcfe for | 00:36 |
| zoredache | xfce is the name of the windows manager that is used on xubuntu | 00:36 |
| zoredache | like kde, and gnome are windows managers | 00:36 |
| stond | oic then i will definetly install it | 00:37 |
| stond | u see i started out using ubuntu on my PS3 then I installed the kubuntu dsktop but I want to try something new | 00:38 |
| stond | is xubuntu good with managing media like video and music | 00:40 |
| zoredache | xfce doesn't do anything with music/videos... The media player you use would need to do that | 00:41 |
| stond | does xubuntu come with media software and is it worth a damn | 00:44 |
| zoredache | you can use the same media players on xubuntu that you use on ubuntu, and kubuntu | 00:44 |
| zoredache | I don't remeber what the default is | 00:44 |
| stond | oic thats good | 00:45 |
| zoredache | there are tons of players in the repository | 00:45 |
| stond | so is it easy to install windows xp on a virtual machine | 00:45 |
| zoredache | I wouldn't say it is easy, but I wouldn't say it is hard... it depends on what you know and what tools you choose to use | 00:48 |
| stond | well I am going to try it tonight or tomorrow | 00:49 |
| stond | well nice talking but i have to go | 00:50 |
| jatz | hey, I'm not on Xubuntu but my problem is with the xubuntu-desktop package | 01:54 |
| jatz | i installed it, tried xfce | 01:54 |
| jatz | but in xfce every window's titlebar has "o" as the title. | 01:54 |
| jatz | I'd really like to get this fixed cause I'm liking xfce | 01:55 |
| zoredache | jatz: is the 'o' the centered or to the left side? | 02:29 |
| jatz | yeah, it was on the left | 02:42 |
| jatz | I realized I'm silly now | 02:42 |
| cottima | hello, how do I setup softraid on the live installer? | 03:27 |
| zoredache | I don't think you can... | 03:30 |
| zoredache | but I am not certain... I know it is easy to do from the alternate-cd | 03:31 |
| holo | hi | 12:45 |
| TheSheep | hi holo | 12:45 |
| holo | why the little button on the keyboard "Print screen" don't work in xubuntu? | 12:47 |
| TheSheep | holo: it doesn't work because xubuntu doesn't come with a screenshot program that could be bound to this key by default. you can install and bind it yourself if you need it. | 12:50 |
| TheSheep | holo: note also, that you ca easily make a screenshot with gimp or the screenshoter panel plugin | 12:50 |
| aanderse | hmm... they should really put scrot into xubuntu by default and bind it to printscreen.... | 12:50 |
| holo | TheSheep, but that would assume that window is open and covering the window i want to screenshot | 12:51 |
| TheSheep | aanderse: file a bug :) | 12:51 |
| quantumsoull | hi how can i just install xubuntu instead of lading the livecd session? | 12:51 |
| TheSheep | holo: try it, they hae solved this problem | 12:51 |
| holo | aanderse, they are assuming you don't use windows in linux, so why print screen just console static? | 12:51 |
| TheSheep | quantumsoull: click on the 'install' icon on the desktop of the livecd, or use the alternate cd with a text installer | 12:52 |
| holo | TheSheep, cool, trying | 12:52 |
| TheSheep | holo: you just set a delay | 12:52 |
| holo | heh.. that looks like the old cameras | 12:53 |
| quantumsoull | TheSheep i cant boot thew livecd session | 12:53 |
| quantumsoull | i dont have enoug ram | 12:53 |
| aanderse | xubuntu alternate cd | 12:53 |
| holo | they put that thing with the leveler moving and run to the picture making a big fat smile just in time for photo | 12:53 |
| quantumsoull | aanderse what alternate cd does? its an installer without grapic interface? or without the livesession? | 12:54 |
| aanderse | quantumsoull: yes, exactly | 12:55 |
| TheSheep | holo: serek! | 12:55 |
| quantumsoull | aanderse ok i think thats the one i need then, but would it ber harder to install? | 12:55 |
| aanderse | it uses the debian based "old school" installer which doesn't use X at all | 12:55 |
| quantumsoull | aanderse so i have to install with commands OO? | 12:55 |
| aanderse | quantumsoull: no, it functions pretty much the exact same using an ncurses display | 12:56 |
| quantumsoull | aanderse i have debian already installed, the installation would be pretty much the same as debian u say? | 12:56 |
| TheSheep | as the old debian | 12:57 |
| TheSheep | with text-mode installer | 12:57 |
| aanderse | quantumsoull: ubuntu and debian are fairly similar in some respects... but the xubuntu-alternate installer is very easy to use, pretty much as easy as the graphical one | 12:57 |
| quantumsoull | oh ok, i just wanted to know if with the alternate cd i had to use terminal commands and stuff :) | 12:58 |
| aanderse | no, you will not | 12:58 |
| aanderse | i just found this by searching for screenshots of the debian installer: http://freduardo.wordpress.com/2007/05/27/howto-installing-debian/ | 12:58 |
| aanderse | it looks much like that; as you can see the functionality is pretty much the exact same as ubuntu with a graphical installer- very easy to use | 12:59 |
| quantumsoull | toh nice thats what i wanted to know, yes seems pretty easy | 13:00 |
| quantumsoull | i think thats hoiw i installed debian, so shouldn be much problem | 13:00 |
| quantumsoull | if anyone can do it, i surely can too | 13:01 |
| quantumsoull | :D | 13:01 |
| aanderse | definately, i'm sure you'll do fine :) | 13:01 |
| quantumsoull | oh i booted the livecd on my laptop, trying it right now :) i wouldnt change xfce for nothing in the world :D | 13:05 |
| aanderse | i would add an optional module for thunar to use gvfs :D | 13:05 |
| quantumsoull | aanderse its a package or a module? | 13:06 |
| aanderse | it doesn't exist; i want it to exist :p | 13:06 |
| quantumsoull | oh lol hehe | 13:07 |
| quantumsoull | i thought u were recomending it to me :) | 13:07 |
| aanderse | i wish it existed :) | 13:09 |
| * aanderse searches google | 13:09 | |
| aanderse | nope, doesn't exist yet | 13:10 |
| aanderse | heh | 13:10 |
| quantumsoull | u should build it ;) | 13:11 |
| aanderse | never looked at the source of either thunar or gvfs... heh | 13:11 |
| larjia | hi | 13:12 |
| aanderse | hi | 13:12 |
| TheSheep | aanderse: I think that thunar is getting through quite a refactoring for 4.6 | 13:13 |
| larjia | my Xubuntu started very slowly.is that normal? | 13:13 |
| aanderse | larjia: how slow are we talking? | 13:13 |
| quantumsoull | how slow? | 13:13 |
| aanderse | TheSheep: 4.6 seems like it's going to be pretty amazing... whenever it actually comes out ;-p | 13:14 |
| larjia | I think not less than 2 minutes, it seems dead | 13:14 |
| larjia | there's no any kind of text on the screen, just black. but later it's OK | 13:14 |
| aanderse | did a google search bring any relevant results? | 13:15 |
| larjia | no | 13:15 |
| quantumsoull | larjia did u installed or ur runnig livecd? | 13:15 |
| larjia | Hi, I installed with the livecd | 13:16 |
| quantumsoull | oh ok, how many times have u started xubuntu? or u notice slow startup everytime or was it jus the firs time? | 13:17 |
| larjia | quantumsoul thanks, each time when i started it's the same situation | 13:18 |
| larjia | i have to wait, say 2 minutes for the logging screen shows up | 13:18 |
| larjia | one thing i feel strange is that if i start with "recovery mode", there's text information shown on the screen. but if i start normally with the 'generic' option, there's nothing on the screen before the login welcome shows up | 13:20 |
| quantumsoull | larjia it could be a lot of factors... have u ever installed before any other linux distro? did that distro ran good? and if uhavent could u tell me wich videocard u use | 13:20 |
| larjia | I installed Redhat linux before. But this time I installed Xubuntu first time on my laptop. My video card, i think is Readon 7500 | 13:21 |
| larjia | maybe because it's an old videocad? :-) | 13:21 |
| larjia | quantumsoull do u think it has something with the swap partition? I don't know if I have swap partition on my hard disk | 13:23 |
| quantumsoull | larjia almost all videocards are supported in most limux distros | 13:24 |
| larjia | ok it's good to know :-) | 13:25 |
| quantumsoull | larjia when u install xubuntu if u didnt seleted any partition to put the swap it doesnt matter, u can create it now, but i dont think thats the problem, how much ram ur computer have? | 13:25 |
| quantumsoull | to see if swap would affect in anything at startup | 13:26 |
| larjia | 256 Mb ram | 13:26 |
| quantumsoull | mmm well i think that should be enough to start xubuntu smnoothly, but i u have aby doubts u can look for topics on ubuntu or debian wikis about problems with ati videocards | 13:28 |
| larjia | ok thanks i will | 13:28 |
| larjia | by the way do u know Xubuntu support S3 video cards? I can't find some related information about that | 13:30 |
| quantumsoull | larjia sounds to me like its X doing something wrong, i mean, using an alternate module to manage ur graphics card | 13:30 |
| quantumsoull | larjia yes it does, i have an olde desktop computer with an S3 video card and i installed ubuntu ther and it works | 13:31 |
| larjia | ok thanks | 13:31 |
| quantumsoull | if ubuntu works, xubuntu will do it awell | 13:31 |
| quantumsoull | aswell* | 13:31 |
| larjia | i don't know how to use an alternate module for the moment :-) | 13:32 |
| larjia | but i will search for info first | 13:32 |
| larjia | i believe the problem is from X | 13:32 |
| quantumsoull | larjia u dont load the module by urself :), although u can, if its an driver problem, once u install the correct one, it should be configured on X automaticly | 13:33 |
| larjia | oh yes is there really anything different between livecd and alternate one? I used a livecd | 13:34 |
| quantumsoull | larjia i havent used the alternate cd, but i dont think it should matter, alternate cd its just to not use the graphic interface installer of ubuntu | 13:37 |
| quantumsoull | but will install exactly the same system files | 13:37 |
| larjia | i believe so as well :-) | 13:38 |
| quantumsoull | ;) hope u can get ur problem fixed :), u should try asking in #ubuntu aswell, there more ppl there | 13:39 |
| larjia | now i guess maybe my cd is bad (I burned it myself) actually I installed Xubuntu twcie, but the two installation is not exactly the same. e.x. the second time i installed xubuntu, the SCIM input method is automatically activated | 13:39 |
| larjia | thanks quantumsoull | 13:40 |
| quantumsoull | larjia one u download the iso, u can open it with winrar or another program that can open iso files, if dont give u any error then the image is fine, and also if u downloaded it from torrent, it should be fine aswell, also the cd have an option to check the files in it and see if its all good | 13:41 |
| quantumsoull | u should check that option to scan the cd if u want | 13:41 |
| larjia | ok I'll try | 13:42 |
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| larjia | hi | 15:56 |
| larjia | i want to install anjuta on my xubuntu. But i found there's no compiling components (like g++, glib, etc) installed on my xubunt. | 15:57 |
| TheSheep | install the build-essential package | 15:58 |
| larjia | does the build-essential package include glib? | 15:58 |
| TheSheep | not sure, you can always install it separately | 15:59 |
| TheSheep | make sure to install the -dev packages for the libraries you want to use | 15:59 |
| larjia | ok | 16:00 |
| larjia | do we have any shortcut key to activate the console directly? | 16:01 |
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| demorez213 | good morning everyone | 17:06 |
| demorez213 | has anyone had trouble loading madwifi drivers with the rt kernel (2.6.22-14-rt)? | 17:07 |
| demorez213 | i can't seem to get it to work at all and I'm nearly linux incapable | 17:08 |
| demorez213 | heya eagle-101 | 17:12 |
| eagle-101 | hey | 17:14 |
| demorez213 | (as an awesome aside I didn't know that scifi in the morning shows like 8 hours of x-files) | 17:15 |
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| bloody` | hey guys. im running xubuntu, newest version, and it randomly freezes on me, to the point i need to hard reboot my laptop :(. does it both in xubuntu and regular ubuntu, seperate installs. | 18:59 |
| zoredache | if you use the hotkey 'ctrl-alt-f1' can you get to a console? | 19:00 |
| bloody` | no | 19:00 |
| bloody` | cannot alt ctrl bksp or anything | 19:00 |
| zoredache | well anyway, something is obviously broke, and if it is truly locked you probably won't have any logs | 19:00 |
| RandomDestructn | magic sysreq work? | 19:01 |
| zoredache | that probably means you need to preform simple testing | 19:01 |
| bloody` | i dont know how to check my logs | 19:01 |
| zoredache | try running without audio | 19:01 |
| zoredache | try running with just vesa video | 19:01 |
| RandomDestructn | if so that's a safer way to bring it down than just powering off | 19:01 |
| zoredache | try testing your hardware with memtest86, and so on | 19:01 |
| bloody` | what log could i check? | 19:01 |
| zoredache | bloody`: if it is locked up there probably is NO logs | 19:02 |
| bloody` | there could be? or no? | 19:02 |
| * RandomDestructn wanders away | 19:02 | |
| zoredache | but feel free to look in /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/kern.log | 19:02 |
| ellon | hey guys, do you know it takes a long time for Xubuntu to shutdown? | 22:24 |
| ellon | I have been wondering... the screen goes to blank and it takes 20~30 seconds to come to the shutdown slash | 22:25 |
| TheSheep | ellon: that's long | 22:29 |
| TheSheep | ellon: nothing enlightening in logs? | 22:29 |
| ellon | how can I check the logs? | 22:29 |
| TheSheep | ellon: they are in /var/log | 22:30 |
| TheSheep | aroo: the ones from the previous boot have .1 appended at the end | 22:30 |
| ellon | but it only happens if I shutdown in XFCE; if I go back to GDM before I shutdown, it will only take one second | 22:30 |
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