[00:16] <stond> i am a kubuntu user right now thinking about switching to xubuntu is xubuntu a nice desktop and should I switch
[00:16] <Wisteela> yes, at least until the KDE4 version of kubuntu is final
[00:19] <stond> I am in the middle of a torrent download using ktorrent if i use the synaptic package manager to install the xubuntu will i lose my download and have to start over
[00:20] <Wisteela> shouldn't have thought so. though you could always just install xfce from synaptic and try it out that way.
[00:23] <stond> I have no need for office software the reason I am switching is because I heard it was faster pluse I heard you can install Windows XP on a virtual HDD
[00:24] <zoredache> stond: installing xp in a virtual machine is not unique to xubuntu... you can do that on almost all distrobutions
[00:25] <stond> yes but I heard it was easier with xubuntu desktop
[00:26] <zoredache> stond: I doubt there is any difference between kubuntu and xubuntu
[00:26] <zoredache> the exact same tools are used in both locations
[00:28] <stond> I still think I am going to switch because I am tried of the kubuntu look and I could always go back to kubuntu when KDE 4 release the final and stable version
[00:29] <zoredache> xfce is good... I like it, it is worth at least trying.
[00:30] <Wisteela> stond, you really might as well just grab xfce from synaptic rather than completely reinstalling
[00:36] <stond> what is xcfe for
[00:36] <zoredache> xfce is the name of the windows manager that is used on xubuntu
[00:36] <zoredache> like kde, and gnome are windows managers
[00:37] <stond> oic then i will definetly install it
[00:38] <stond> u see i started out using ubuntu on my PS3 then I installed the kubuntu dsktop but I want to try something new
[00:40] <stond> is xubuntu good with managing media like video and music
[00:41] <zoredache> xfce doesn't do anything with music/videos... The media player you use would need to do that
[00:44] <stond> does xubuntu come with media software and is it worth a damn
[00:44] <zoredache> you can use the same media players on xubuntu that you use on ubuntu, and kubuntu
[00:44] <zoredache> I don't remeber what the default is
[00:45] <stond> oic thats good
[00:45] <zoredache> there are tons of players in the repository
[00:45] <stond> so is it easy to install windows xp on a virtual machine
[00:48] <zoredache> I wouldn't say it is easy, but I wouldn't say it is hard... it depends on what you know and what tools you choose to use
[00:49] <stond> well I am going to try it tonight or tomorrow
[00:50] <stond> well nice talking but i have to go
[01:54] <jatz> hey, I'm not on Xubuntu but my problem is with the xubuntu-desktop package
[01:54] <jatz> i installed it, tried xfce
[01:54] <jatz> but in xfce every window's titlebar has "o" as the title.
[01:55] <jatz> I'd really like to get this fixed cause I'm liking xfce
[02:29] <zoredache> jatz: is the 'o' the centered or to the left side?
[02:42] <jatz> yeah, it was on the left
[02:42] <jatz> I realized I'm silly now
[03:27] <cottima> hello, how do I setup softraid on the live installer?
[03:30] <zoredache> I don't think you can...
[03:31] <zoredache> but I am not certain... I know it is easy to do from the alternate-cd
[12:45] <holo> hi
[12:45] <TheSheep> hi holo
[12:47] <holo> why the little button on the keyboard "Print screen" don't work in xubuntu?
[12:50] <TheSheep> holo: it doesn't work because xubuntu doesn't come with a screenshot program that could be bound to this key by default. you can install and bind it yourself if you need it.
[12:50] <TheSheep> holo: note also, that you ca easily make a screenshot with gimp or the screenshoter panel plugin
[12:50] <aanderse> hmm... they should really put scrot into xubuntu by default and bind it to printscreen....
[12:51] <holo> TheSheep, but that would assume that window is open and covering the window i want to screenshot
[12:51] <TheSheep> aanderse: file a bug :)
[12:51] <quantumsoull> hi how can i just install xubuntu instead of lading the livecd session?
[12:51] <TheSheep> holo: try it, they hae solved this problem
[12:51] <holo> aanderse, they are assuming you don't use windows in linux, so why print screen just console static?
[12:52] <TheSheep> quantumsoull: click on the 'install' icon on the desktop of the livecd, or use the alternate cd with a text installer
[12:52] <holo> TheSheep, cool, trying
[12:52] <TheSheep> holo: you just set a delay
[12:53] <holo> heh.. that looks like the old cameras
[12:53] <quantumsoull> TheSheep i cant boot thew livecd session
[12:53] <quantumsoull> i dont have enoug ram
[12:53] <aanderse> xubuntu alternate cd
[12:53] <holo> they put that thing with the leveler moving and run to the picture making a big fat smile just in time for photo
[12:54] <quantumsoull> aanderse what alternate cd does? its an installer without grapic interface? or without the livesession?
[12:55] <aanderse> quantumsoull: yes, exactly
[12:55] <TheSheep> holo: serek!
[12:55] <quantumsoull> aanderse ok i think thats the one i need then, but would it ber harder to install?
[12:55] <aanderse> it uses the debian based "old school" installer which doesn't use X at all
[12:55] <quantumsoull> aanderse so i have to install with commands OO?
[12:56] <aanderse> quantumsoull: no, it functions pretty much the exact same using an ncurses display
[12:56] <quantumsoull> aanderse i have debian already installed, the installation would be pretty much the same as debian u say?
[12:57] <TheSheep> as the old debian
[12:57] <TheSheep> with text-mode installer
[12:57] <aanderse> quantumsoull: ubuntu and debian are fairly similar in some respects... but the xubuntu-alternate installer is very easy to use, pretty much as easy as the graphical one
[12:58] <quantumsoull> oh ok, i just wanted to know if with the alternate cd i had to use terminal commands and stuff :)
[12:58] <aanderse> no, you will not
[12:58] <aanderse> i just found this by searching for screenshots of the debian installer: http://freduardo.wordpress.com/2007/05/27/howto-installing-debian/
[12:59] <aanderse> it looks much like that; as you can see the functionality is pretty much the exact same as ubuntu with a graphical installer- very easy to use
[13:00] <quantumsoull> toh nice thats what i wanted to know, yes seems pretty easy
[13:00] <quantumsoull> i think thats hoiw i installed debian, so shouldn be much problem
[13:01] <quantumsoull> if anyone can do it, i surely can too
[13:01] <quantumsoull> :D
[13:01] <aanderse> definately, i'm sure you'll do fine :)
[13:05] <quantumsoull> oh i booted the livecd on my laptop, trying it right now :)  i wouldnt change xfce for nothing in the world :D
[13:05] <aanderse> i would add an optional module for thunar to use gvfs :D
[13:06] <quantumsoull> aanderse its a package or a module?
[13:06] <aanderse> it doesn't exist; i want it to exist :p
[13:07] <quantumsoull> oh lol hehe
[13:07] <quantumsoull> i thought u were recomending it to me :)
[13:09] <aanderse> i wish it existed :)
[13:09]  * aanderse searches google
[13:10] <aanderse> nope, doesn't exist yet
[13:10] <aanderse> heh
[13:11] <quantumsoull> u should build it ;)
[13:11] <aanderse> never looked at the source of either thunar or gvfs... heh
[13:12] <larjia> hi
[13:12] <aanderse> hi
[13:13] <TheSheep> aanderse: I think that thunar is getting through quite a refactoring for 4.6
[13:13] <larjia> my Xubuntu started very slowly.is that normal?
[13:13] <aanderse> larjia: how slow are we talking?
[13:13] <quantumsoull> how slow?
[13:14] <aanderse> TheSheep: 4.6 seems like it's going to be pretty amazing... whenever it actually comes out ;-p
[13:14] <larjia> I think not less than 2 minutes, it seems dead
[13:14] <larjia> there's no any kind of text on the screen, just black. but later it's OK
[13:15] <aanderse> did a google search bring any relevant results?
[13:15] <larjia> no
[13:15] <quantumsoull> larjia did u installed or ur runnig livecd?
[13:16] <larjia> Hi, I installed with the livecd
[13:17] <quantumsoull> oh ok, how many times have u started xubuntu? or u notice slow startup everytime or was it jus the firs time?
[13:18] <larjia> quantumsoul thanks, each time when i started it's the same situation
[13:18] <larjia> i have to wait, say 2 minutes for the logging screen shows up
[13:20] <larjia> one thing i feel strange is that if i start with "recovery mode", there's text information shown on the screen. but if i start normally with the 'generic' option, there's nothing on the screen before the login welcome shows up
[13:20] <quantumsoull> larjia it could be a lot of factors... have u ever installed before any other linux distro? did that distro ran good? and if uhavent could u tell me wich videocard u use
[13:21] <larjia> I installed Redhat linux before. But this time I installed Xubuntu first time on my laptop. My video card, i think is Readon 7500
[13:21] <larjia> maybe because it's an old videocad? :-)
[13:23] <larjia> quantumsoull do u think it has something with the swap partition? I don't know if I have swap partition on my hard disk
[13:24] <quantumsoull> larjia almost all videocards are supported in most limux distros
[13:25] <larjia> ok it's good to know :-)
[13:25] <quantumsoull> larjia when u install xubuntu if u didnt seleted any partition to put the swap it doesnt matter, u can create it now, but i dont think thats the problem, how much ram ur computer have?
[13:26] <quantumsoull> to see if swap would affect in anything at startup
[13:26] <larjia> 256 Mb ram
[13:28] <quantumsoull> mmm well i think that should be enough to start xubuntu smnoothly, but i u have aby doubts u can look for topics on ubuntu or debian wikis about problems with ati videocards
[13:28] <larjia> ok thanks i will
[13:30] <larjia> by the way do u know Xubuntu support S3 video cards? I can't find some related information about that
[13:30] <quantumsoull> larjia sounds to me like its X doing something wrong, i mean, using an alternate module to manage ur graphics card
[13:31] <quantumsoull> larjia yes it does, i have an olde desktop computer with an S3 video card and i installed ubuntu ther and it works
[13:31] <larjia> ok thanks
[13:31] <quantumsoull> if ubuntu works, xubuntu will do it awell
[13:31] <quantumsoull> aswell*
[13:32] <larjia> i don't know how to use an alternate module for the moment :-)
[13:32] <larjia> but i will search for info first
[13:32] <larjia> i believe the problem is from X
[13:33] <quantumsoull> larjia u dont load the module by urself :), although u can, if its an driver problem, once u install the correct one, it should be configured on X automaticly
[13:34] <larjia> oh yes is there really anything different between livecd and alternate one? I used a livecd
[13:37] <quantumsoull> larjia i havent used the alternate cd, but i dont think it should matter, alternate cd its just to not use the graphic interface installer of ubuntu
[13:37] <quantumsoull> but will install exactly the same system files
[13:38] <larjia> i believe so as well :-)
[13:39] <quantumsoull> ;) hope u can get ur problem fixed :), u should try asking in #ubuntu aswell, there more ppl there
[13:39] <larjia> now i guess maybe my cd is bad (I burned it myself) actually I installed Xubuntu twcie, but the two installation is not exactly the same. e.x. the second time i installed xubuntu, the SCIM input method is automatically activated
[13:40] <larjia> thanks quantumsoull
[13:41] <quantumsoull> larjia one u download the iso, u can open it with winrar or another program that can open iso files, if dont give u any error then the image is fine, and also if u downloaded it from torrent, it should be fine aswell, also the cd have an option to check the files in it and see if its all good
[13:41] <quantumsoull> u should check that option to scan the cd if u want
[13:42] <larjia> ok I'll try
[15:56] <larjia> hi
[15:57] <larjia> i want to install anjuta on my xubuntu. But i found there's no compiling components (like g++, glib, etc) installed on my xubunt.
[15:58] <TheSheep> install the build-essential package
[15:58] <larjia> does the build-essential package include glib?
[15:59] <TheSheep> not sure, you can always install it separately
[15:59] <TheSheep> make sure to install the -dev packages for the libraries you want to use
[16:00] <larjia> ok
[16:01] <larjia> do we have any shortcut key to activate the console directly?
[17:06] <demorez213> good morning everyone
[17:07] <demorez213> has anyone had trouble loading madwifi drivers with the rt kernel (2.6.22-14-rt)?
[17:08] <demorez213> i can't seem to get it to work at all and I'm nearly linux incapable
[17:12] <demorez213> heya eagle-101
[17:14] <eagle-101> hey
[17:15] <demorez213> (as an awesome aside I didn't know that scifi in the morning shows like 8 hours of x-files)
[18:59] <bloody`> hey guys. im running xubuntu, newest version, and it randomly freezes on me, to the point i need to hard reboot my laptop :(. does it both in xubuntu and regular ubuntu, seperate installs.
[19:00] <zoredache> if you use the hotkey 'ctrl-alt-f1' can you get to a console?
[19:00] <bloody`> no
[19:00] <bloody`> cannot alt ctrl bksp or anything
[19:00] <zoredache> well anyway, something is obviously broke, and if it is truly locked you probably won't have any logs
[19:01] <RandomDestructn> magic sysreq work?
[19:01] <zoredache> that probably means you need to preform simple testing
[19:01] <bloody`> i dont know how to check my logs
[19:01] <zoredache> try running without audio
[19:01] <zoredache> try running with just vesa video
[19:01] <RandomDestructn> if so that's a safer way to bring it down than just powering off
[19:01] <zoredache> try testing your hardware with memtest86, and so on
[19:01] <bloody`> what log could i check?
[19:02] <zoredache> bloody`: if it is locked up there probably is NO logs
[19:02] <bloody`> there could be? or no?
[19:02]  * RandomDestructn wanders away
[19:02] <zoredache> but feel free to look in /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/kern.log
[22:24] <ellon> hey guys, do you know it takes a long time for Xubuntu to shutdown?
[22:25] <ellon> I have been wondering... the screen goes to blank and it takes 20~30 seconds to come to the shutdown slash
[22:29] <TheSheep> ellon: that's long
[22:29] <TheSheep> ellon: nothing enlightening in logs?
[22:29] <ellon> how can I check the logs?
[22:30] <TheSheep> ellon: they are in /var/log
[22:30] <TheSheep> aroo: the ones from the previous boot have .1 appended at the end
[22:30] <ellon> but it only happens if I shutdown in XFCE; if I go back to GDM before I shutdown, it will only take one second