[00:16] i am a kubuntu user right now thinking about switching to xubuntu is xubuntu a nice desktop and should I switch [00:16] yes, at least until the KDE4 version of kubuntu is final [00:19] I am in the middle of a torrent download using ktorrent if i use the synaptic package manager to install the xubuntu will i lose my download and have to start over [00:20] shouldn't have thought so. though you could always just install xfce from synaptic and try it out that way. [00:23] I have no need for office software the reason I am switching is because I heard it was faster pluse I heard you can install Windows XP on a virtual HDD [00:24] stond: installing xp in a virtual machine is not unique to xubuntu... you can do that on almost all distrobutions [00:25] yes but I heard it was easier with xubuntu desktop [00:26] stond: I doubt there is any difference between kubuntu and xubuntu [00:26] the exact same tools are used in both locations [00:28] I still think I am going to switch because I am tried of the kubuntu look and I could always go back to kubuntu when KDE 4 release the final and stable version [00:29] xfce is good... I like it, it is worth at least trying. [00:30] stond, you really might as well just grab xfce from synaptic rather than completely reinstalling [00:36] what is xcfe for [00:36] xfce is the name of the windows manager that is used on xubuntu [00:36] like kde, and gnome are windows managers [00:37] oic then i will definetly install it [00:38] u see i started out using ubuntu on my PS3 then I installed the kubuntu dsktop but I want to try something new [00:40] is xubuntu good with managing media like video and music [00:41] xfce doesn't do anything with music/videos... The media player you use would need to do that [00:44] does xubuntu come with media software and is it worth a damn [00:44] you can use the same media players on xubuntu that you use on ubuntu, and kubuntu [00:44] I don't remeber what the default is [00:45] oic thats good [00:45] there are tons of players in the repository [00:45] so is it easy to install windows xp on a virtual machine [00:48] I wouldn't say it is easy, but I wouldn't say it is hard... it depends on what you know and what tools you choose to use [00:49] well I am going to try it tonight or tomorrow [00:50] well nice talking but i have to go [01:54] hey, I'm not on Xubuntu but my problem is with the xubuntu-desktop package [01:54] i installed it, tried xfce [01:54] but in xfce every window's titlebar has "o" as the title. [01:55] I'd really like to get this fixed cause I'm liking xfce [02:29] jatz: is the 'o' the centered or to the left side? [02:42] yeah, it was on the left [02:42] I realized I'm silly now [03:27] hello, how do I setup softraid on the live installer? [03:30] I don't think you can... [03:31] but I am not certain... I know it is easy to do from the alternate-cd [12:45] hi [12:45] hi holo [12:47] why the little button on the keyboard "Print screen" don't work in xubuntu? [12:50] holo: it doesn't work because xubuntu doesn't come with a screenshot program that could be bound to this key by default. you can install and bind it yourself if you need it. [12:50] holo: note also, that you ca easily make a screenshot with gimp or the screenshoter panel plugin [12:50] hmm... they should really put scrot into xubuntu by default and bind it to printscreen.... [12:51] TheSheep, but that would assume that window is open and covering the window i want to screenshot [12:51] aanderse: file a bug :) [12:51] hi how can i just install xubuntu instead of lading the livecd session? [12:51] holo: try it, they hae solved this problem [12:51] aanderse, they are assuming you don't use windows in linux, so why print screen just console static? [12:52] quantumsoull: click on the 'install' icon on the desktop of the livecd, or use the alternate cd with a text installer [12:52] TheSheep, cool, trying [12:52] holo: you just set a delay [12:53] heh.. that looks like the old cameras [12:53] TheSheep i cant boot thew livecd session [12:53] i dont have enoug ram [12:53] xubuntu alternate cd [12:53] they put that thing with the leveler moving and run to the picture making a big fat smile just in time for photo [12:54] aanderse what alternate cd does? its an installer without grapic interface? or without the livesession? [12:55] quantumsoull: yes, exactly [12:55] holo: serek! [12:55] aanderse ok i think thats the one i need then, but would it ber harder to install? [12:55] it uses the debian based "old school" installer which doesn't use X at all [12:55] aanderse so i have to install with commands OO? [12:56] quantumsoull: no, it functions pretty much the exact same using an ncurses display [12:56] aanderse i have debian already installed, the installation would be pretty much the same as debian u say? [12:57] as the old debian [12:57] with text-mode installer [12:57] quantumsoull: ubuntu and debian are fairly similar in some respects... but the xubuntu-alternate installer is very easy to use, pretty much as easy as the graphical one [12:58] oh ok, i just wanted to know if with the alternate cd i had to use terminal commands and stuff :) [12:58] no, you will not [12:58] i just found this by searching for screenshots of the debian installer: http://freduardo.wordpress.com/2007/05/27/howto-installing-debian/ [12:59] it looks much like that; as you can see the functionality is pretty much the exact same as ubuntu with a graphical installer- very easy to use [13:00] toh nice thats what i wanted to know, yes seems pretty easy [13:00] i think thats hoiw i installed debian, so shouldn be much problem [13:01] if anyone can do it, i surely can too [13:01] :D [13:01] definately, i'm sure you'll do fine :) [13:05] oh i booted the livecd on my laptop, trying it right now :) i wouldnt change xfce for nothing in the world :D [13:05] i would add an optional module for thunar to use gvfs :D [13:06] aanderse its a package or a module? [13:06] it doesn't exist; i want it to exist :p [13:07] oh lol hehe [13:07] i thought u were recomending it to me :) [13:09] i wish it existed :) [13:09] * aanderse searches google [13:10] nope, doesn't exist yet [13:10] heh [13:11] u should build it ;) [13:11] never looked at the source of either thunar or gvfs... heh [13:12] hi [13:12] hi [13:13] aanderse: I think that thunar is getting through quite a refactoring for 4.6 [13:13] my Xubuntu started very slowly.is that normal? [13:13] larjia: how slow are we talking? [13:13] how slow? [13:14] TheSheep: 4.6 seems like it's going to be pretty amazing... whenever it actually comes out ;-p [13:14] I think not less than 2 minutes, it seems dead [13:14] there's no any kind of text on the screen, just black. but later it's OK [13:15] did a google search bring any relevant results? [13:15] no [13:15] larjia did u installed or ur runnig livecd? [13:16] Hi, I installed with the livecd [13:17] oh ok, how many times have u started xubuntu? or u notice slow startup everytime or was it jus the firs time? [13:18] quantumsoul thanks, each time when i started it's the same situation [13:18] i have to wait, say 2 minutes for the logging screen shows up [13:20] one thing i feel strange is that if i start with "recovery mode", there's text information shown on the screen. but if i start normally with the 'generic' option, there's nothing on the screen before the login welcome shows up [13:20] larjia it could be a lot of factors... have u ever installed before any other linux distro? did that distro ran good? and if uhavent could u tell me wich videocard u use [13:21] I installed Redhat linux before. But this time I installed Xubuntu first time on my laptop. My video card, i think is Readon 7500 [13:21] maybe because it's an old videocad? :-) [13:23] quantumsoull do u think it has something with the swap partition? I don't know if I have swap partition on my hard disk [13:24] larjia almost all videocards are supported in most limux distros [13:25] ok it's good to know :-) [13:25] larjia when u install xubuntu if u didnt seleted any partition to put the swap it doesnt matter, u can create it now, but i dont think thats the problem, how much ram ur computer have? [13:26] to see if swap would affect in anything at startup [13:26] 256 Mb ram [13:28] mmm well i think that should be enough to start xubuntu smnoothly, but i u have aby doubts u can look for topics on ubuntu or debian wikis about problems with ati videocards [13:28] ok thanks i will [13:30] by the way do u know Xubuntu support S3 video cards? I can't find some related information about that [13:30] larjia sounds to me like its X doing something wrong, i mean, using an alternate module to manage ur graphics card [13:31] larjia yes it does, i have an olde desktop computer with an S3 video card and i installed ubuntu ther and it works [13:31] ok thanks [13:31] if ubuntu works, xubuntu will do it awell [13:31] aswell* [13:32] i don't know how to use an alternate module for the moment :-) [13:32] but i will search for info first [13:32] i believe the problem is from X [13:33] larjia u dont load the module by urself :), although u can, if its an driver problem, once u install the correct one, it should be configured on X automaticly [13:34] oh yes is there really anything different between livecd and alternate one? I used a livecd [13:37] larjia i havent used the alternate cd, but i dont think it should matter, alternate cd its just to not use the graphic interface installer of ubuntu [13:37] but will install exactly the same system files [13:38] i believe so as well :-) [13:39] ;) hope u can get ur problem fixed :), u should try asking in #ubuntu aswell, there more ppl there [13:39] now i guess maybe my cd is bad (I burned it myself) actually I installed Xubuntu twcie, but the two installation is not exactly the same. e.x. the second time i installed xubuntu, the SCIM input method is automatically activated [13:40] thanks quantumsoull [13:41] larjia one u download the iso, u can open it with winrar or another program that can open iso files, if dont give u any error then the image is fine, and also if u downloaded it from torrent, it should be fine aswell, also the cd have an option to check the files in it and see if its all good [13:41] u should check that option to scan the cd if u want [13:42] ok I'll try === Pricey is now known as PriceChild [15:56] hi [15:57] i want to install anjuta on my xubuntu. But i found there's no compiling components (like g++, glib, etc) installed on my xubunt. [15:58] install the build-essential package [15:58] does the build-essential package include glib? [15:59] not sure, you can always install it separately [15:59] make sure to install the -dev packages for the libraries you want to use [16:00] ok [16:01] do we have any shortcut key to activate the console directly? === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [17:06] good morning everyone [17:07] has anyone had trouble loading madwifi drivers with the rt kernel (2.6.22-14-rt)? [17:08] i can't seem to get it to work at all and I'm nearly linux incapable [17:12] heya eagle-101 [17:14] hey [17:15] (as an awesome aside I didn't know that scifi in the morning shows like 8 hours of x-files) === nalioth__ is now known as nalioth [18:59] hey guys. im running xubuntu, newest version, and it randomly freezes on me, to the point i need to hard reboot my laptop :(. does it both in xubuntu and regular ubuntu, seperate installs. [19:00] if you use the hotkey 'ctrl-alt-f1' can you get to a console? [19:00] no [19:00] cannot alt ctrl bksp or anything [19:00] well anyway, something is obviously broke, and if it is truly locked you probably won't have any logs [19:01] magic sysreq work? [19:01] that probably means you need to preform simple testing [19:01] i dont know how to check my logs [19:01] try running without audio [19:01] try running with just vesa video [19:01] if so that's a safer way to bring it down than just powering off [19:01] try testing your hardware with memtest86, and so on [19:01] what log could i check? [19:02] bloody`: if it is locked up there probably is NO logs [19:02] there could be? or no? [19:02] * RandomDestructn wanders away [19:02] but feel free to look in /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/kern.log [22:24] hey guys, do you know it takes a long time for Xubuntu to shutdown? [22:25] I have been wondering... the screen goes to blank and it takes 20~30 seconds to come to the shutdown slash [22:29] ellon: that's long [22:29] ellon: nothing enlightening in logs? [22:29] how can I check the logs? [22:30] ellon: they are in /var/log [22:30] aroo: the ones from the previous boot have .1 appended at the end [22:30] but it only happens if I shutdown in XFCE; if I go back to GDM before I shutdown, it will only take one second === nick4 is now known as nick4_away