[00:03] <NickPresta> cuznt, ?
[00:04] <NickPresta> !away > Corty
[00:04] <Corty> ?
[00:05] <Corty> ah, ok.
[00:06] <Wolven_UK> umm.1 more question..are KDE's settings stored on the /home partition or root? if its stored in /home i'll just reinstall my system..i just dont wanna loose all my settings again..
[00:06] <NickPresta> Wolven_UK, a lot of settings and such are stored in ~/.kde/. You may consider backing up that whole folder.
[00:06] <cuznt> didnt you make it so it would auto convert his text to english?
[00:07] <NickPresta> cuznt, nope. He apparently knew enough English to say he was from China and how to say goodbye.
[00:08] <Wolven_UK> hmm...thanks for the advice everyone i'll see about that in the morning..
[00:08] <Tann> How would i go about setting up a soundcard in alsa? I installed an update and alsa stopped recognizing my card
[00:09] <cuznt> that is where i am at
[00:09] <cuznt> except it never did yet
[00:11] <deuryte> CAN SOME ONE TELL ME HOW TO GET A HOLD OF AN op?
[00:12] <cuznt> ops.
[00:12] <cuznt> i dont think there are any really listed
[00:12] <Tann> How would i go about setting up a soundcard in alsa? I installed an update and my card no longer works
[00:12] <NickPresta> deuryte, no need for caps. You can join #ubuntu-ops and speak to an op there
[00:13] <cuznt> !chathelp
[00:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chathelp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:13] <deuryte> sorry
[00:15] <Dr_willis_> the ops are undercover. :)
[00:16] <NickPresta> Dr_willis_, ninjas, really ;)
[00:16] <Tann> What exactally does it mean when Kmix says "Mixer Cannot be found"?
[00:17] <bubba> what u all use to play embedded videos on firefox?? mplayerplug-in not working well
[00:17] <Dr_willis_> I tend to use the totem plugin for firefox.
[00:17] <NickPresta> bubba, I use the mplayer plugin. It works rather well. What site are you having trouble with?
[00:18] <bubba> i've just download totem but not seeing the plugin
[00:18] <bubba> most of all presta
[00:19] <NickPresta> bubba, hmm. strange. I rarely have problems. You could try the 'kaffeine-mozilla' plugin
[00:20] <Daisuke_Ido> there's also a vlc plugin
[00:20] <Daisuke_Ido> which, being vlc, should be slightly better.
[00:20] <bubba> it plays embedded videos?
[00:21] <Daisuke_Ido> by better i mean "better able to handle most codecs due to it being vlc"
[00:24] <cuznt> Tann https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToConfigureSoundBlasterAudigySEinBreezy
[00:25] <szakulec> Tann- no mixer found means kmix can't find any sound devices
[00:25] <Tann> szakulec: how would i setup a device?
[00:28] <szakulec> I'm not sure how you normally setup a sound card- in the past I had to compile my alsa drivers from source, which you didn't
[00:28] <bubba> !repo
[00:28] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[00:29] <szakulec> can you type lsmod in a terminal and put the output on one of the pastebin sites?
[00:32] <Tann> http://tan-com.com/lsmod.txt
[00:35] <stond> I have a problem with trying to change the Icon of my USB device (AKA my PSP) when I right click and go to propreties and I choose other and I browse to my folder with the png file I want to use but the Icon doesnt change how can I fix this
[00:35] <Tann> http://pastebin.com/d7ec8e923
[00:35] <hrhansen> is the newest nvidia driver (169.12) available as a proper .deb for kubuntu somewhere?
[00:36] <stond> I have a problem with trying to change the Icon of my USB device (AKA my PSP) when I right click and go to propreties and I choose other and I browse to my folder with the png file I want to use but the Icon doesnt change how can I fix this
[00:38] <cuznt>  Building alsa-source, step 1, please wait. right now i am doing it
[00:38] <Tann> szakulec: http://pastebin.com/d7ec8e923
[00:39] <stond> I have a problem with trying to change the Icon of my USB device (AKA my PSP) when I right click and go to propreties and I choose other and I browse to my folder with the png file I want to use but the Icon doesnt change how can I fix this
[00:39] <user5> Il file delle voci del desktop
[00:39] <user5> /usr/share/apps/d3lphin/servicemenus/amarok_addaspodcast.desktop
[00:39] <user5> ha una voce di menu non valida
[00:39] <user5> addAsPodcast.
[00:40] <user5> somebady can you help me ? thank you
[00:40] <GrayFox> someone online?
[00:40] <GrayFox> need help compiling my kernel
[00:41] <stond> I have a problem with trying to change the Icon of my USB device (AKA my PSP) when I right click and go to propreties and I choose other and I browse to my folder with the png file I want to use but the Icon doesnt change how can I fix this
[00:44] <user5> stond: do you must be root for modify icon
[00:44] <user5> must use command sudo
[00:45] <Dr_willis_> I noticed under gnome, you can set the icon, and mountpoint and other things for removeable media..   Not quite as easy under kde. :(
[00:46] <GrayFox> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/742867
[00:46] <Dr_willis_> !kernel
[00:46] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[00:46] <GrayFox> please have a look at it
[00:47] <Dr_willis_> You could summarize the problem. I havent compiled a kernel in years.
[00:48] <GrayFox> summary: i am getting a weird error message and i do not know how to handle it
[00:48] <GrayFox> ^^
[00:48] <GrayFox> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/742867
[00:49] <stond> can someone tell me what to tpe in the terminal to modify icons such as the one for my PSP it is a ipod and I want to change it
[00:49] <stond> can someone tell me what to type in the terminal to modify icons such as the one for my PSP it is a ipod and I want to change it
[00:51] <stond> can someone tell me what to type in the terminal to modify icons such as the one for my PSP it is a ipod and I want to change it
[00:52] <Jucato> !patience | stond
[00:52] <ubotu> stond: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[00:52] <Tann> stond: in the terminal type "sudo konqueror" then in konquer go to "/media" and then change the icon (right click > properties)
[00:53] <stond> ok thank you I will try and see if that works
[00:53] <GrayFox> oh man... this is sad
[00:53] <Tann> GrayFox: ?
[00:53] <GrayFox> stond posts his problem 4 times and gets his answer
[00:54] <GrayFox> and i try not to spam and i am ignored -_-
[00:54] <stdin> if no one knows, no one answers
[00:54] <GrayFox> k
[00:54] <GrayFox> that sounds logical :D
[00:55] <coreymon77> stond: ya, that doesnt need to be done cmdline
[00:55] <stond> I promises i will be more pataint in the future
[00:55] <szakulec> tann: if you're still there, sorry about taking so long- you apparently have no sound drivers loaded
[00:55] <Jucato> not everyone knows how to compile kernels :)
[00:55] <szakulec> how do I get that red colored text?
[00:55] <GrayFox> ähm, do you mean in irc?
[00:56] <stond> coerymon77] then how do i do it
[00:56] <GrayFox> if someone writes your nick, you'll get it
[00:56] <szakulec> ah
[00:56] <hacker> kubuntu password?
[00:56] <GrayFox> szakulec: you see?
[00:56] <szakulec> GrayFox: thanks
[00:56] <hacker> kubuntu-cn password?
[00:56] <hacker> 中文频道密码？
[00:57] <GrayFox> hacker: try writing whole sentences
[00:57] <GrayFox> hacker: try writing whole sentences
[00:57] <Jucato> !cn | hacker
[00:57] <ubotu> hacker: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[00:57] <LjL> !cn | hacker
[00:57]  * Jucato wins this round :)
[00:57] <GrayFox> should be easier for us to understand your problem ;)
[00:57] <hacker> thanks
[00:57] <draik> Is libdvdcss2 no longer a package? How do I get it? I cannot get k9Copy to work.
[00:57] <LjL> Jucato: i was lagged by the kickings, i swear! :P
[00:58] <prince_jammys> !medibuntu | draik
[00:58] <ubotu> draik: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[00:58] <draik> k9copy on my laptop works just fine. On my desktop, it just escalates the Elapsed Time to about 12 hours then dies
[00:58] <Jucato> draik: it never was a package from the official repos iirc (and hi btw)
[00:58] <Jucato> !libdvdcss2 | draik
[00:58] <ubotu> draik: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[00:58] <draik> Hey Jucato. How have you been?
[00:58] <hacker> 有没有人会安装雷鸟邮件客户端
[00:58] <coreymon77> umm
[00:59] <coreymon77> this is the english channel
[00:59] <prince_jammys> hacker:  /joint #ubuntu-cn
[00:59] <Jucato> hacker: English only
[00:59] <prince_jammys> oops
[00:59] <bubba> i need totem plugin anyone knows how to get it
[00:59] <prince_jammys> hacker:  /join #ubuntu-cn
[00:59] <hacker> ^^
[00:59] <hacker> 加了，人少
[00:59] <Jucato> 2nd warning already hacker.
[00:59] <coreymon77> hacker: english!
[01:00] <re-align> I think he may be having trouble joining the chinese channel
[01:00] <prince_jammys> probably
[01:00] <re-align> I think I saw him mention something about a password for that channel some lines ago.
[01:00] <GrayFox> ähm
[01:00] <hacker> thunderbird install method?
[01:00] <re-align> As in, needing a password for it
[01:00] <GrayFox> do you really thing, that channel has a password?
[01:00] <Jucato> there's no #kubuntu-cn channel (which he was asking for) afaik
[01:00] <Tann> szakulec: well, its odd though. It was working and then i did an updat and it won't work now
[01:00] <prince_jammys> !find thunderbird
[01:01] <hacker>  thunderbird install method?
[01:01] <Jucato> hacker: sudo apt-get install thunderbird
[01:01] <ubotu> Found: mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail, thunderbird-locale-be, thunderbird-locale-bg, thunderbird-locale-ca, thunderbird-locale-cs (and 36 others)
[01:01] <GrayFox> oh my dear
[01:01] <szakulec> Tann: try rebooting- hopefully it will find the snd drivers and load them for you
[01:01] <ahmos> !sysfence
[01:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sysfence - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:01] <prince_jammys> hacker: yes, sudo apt-get install thunderbird
[01:02] <GrayFox> hacker: RTFM
[01:02] <GrayFox> -_-
[01:02] <Tann> szakulec: I've rebooted several times since the update
[01:02] <Jucato> GrayFox: please don't say that
[01:02] <GrayFox> well, but in this case.... okay... sorry... ^^
[01:02] <hacker> haha
[01:02] <hacker> thanks
[01:03] <GrayFox> hacker: you got a package-manager
[01:03] <GrayFox> hacker: there you should also find thunderbird
[01:03] <hacker> apt-get -f install
[01:03] <GrayFox> ?
[01:03] <prince_jammys> why?
[01:03] <GrayFox> omg
[01:04] <hacker> install succeed
[01:04] <hacker> good
[01:04] <prince_jammys> ok
[01:06] <hacker> evolution 2.12.1
[01:08] <hacker> i english is very poor!
[01:08] <fabio> i'm going to install kde 4 from debian
[01:08] <fabio> anyone using already it ?
[01:08] <Jucato> hacker: then ask in #ubuntu-cn where you can speak in chinese
[01:08] <hacker> ok
[01:08] <Jucato> fabio: um.. wrong place to ask?
[01:09] <prince_jammys> he means debian package, probably
[01:09] <fabio> kubuntu ~= kde
[01:09] <prince_jammys> not debian distro
[01:09] <prince_jammys> !kde4
[01:09] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.2.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.2.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[01:10] <fabio> i got debian but i suppose this is a plase for kde users
[01:10] <prince_jammys> fabio: try #kubuntu-kde4
[01:10] <fabio> ohh.
[01:10] <Jucato> fabio: it's not good to mix Debian repositories with Kubuntu repositories if you're trying to install KDE 4 from Debian
[01:10] <fabio> my question is very simple
[01:10] <fabio> i got debian
[01:10] <prince_jammys> fabio: #debian
[01:10] <Jucato> yes. and we got Kubuntu.
[01:10] <fabio> you don't know debian users
[01:11] <prince_jammys> heh
[01:11] <Jucato> I think there's a #debian-kde channel too
[01:11] <fabio> they don't even waste time about desktop stuff
[01:11] <fabio> how much memory i need ?
[01:11] <prince_jammys> fabio: there's also #kde
[01:11] <fabio> will it run faster than kde 3 ?
[01:11] <hacker> sudo apt-get install thunderbird
[01:11] <hacker> ^^
[01:12] <fabio> i will go in kde ... bye bye
[01:12] <prince_jammys> bye. good luck
[01:12] <hacker> KDE4
[01:12] <wswindell> hello
[01:13] <draik> prince_jammys: Jucato: Thanks. k9Copy is working now :) Many yays!
[01:13] <jamaur> anyone know how to mount an iso image from the kubuntu live CD
[01:13] <wswindell> prince_jammys helped me install Frostwire  last night
[01:13] <hacker> english is studied with you
[01:13] <NickPresta> !iso | jamaur
[01:13] <ubotu> jamaur: To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[01:13] <prince_jammys> heh
[01:14] <wswindell> Thanx a Billion!
[01:14] <oloughlin75> Does anyone know if there is a good plugin for amarok and the AWM?
[01:14] <wswindell> its really fast
[01:14] <jamaur> NickPresta, that doesn't work from a live CD
[01:14] <jamaur> ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Invalid argument
[01:14] <jamaur> that's what I get
[01:14] <jamaur> googling gives me nothing
[01:14] <wswindell> know of any good irc channels
[01:15] <Jucato> wswindell: for?
[01:15] <hacker> have people would and like to do my english teachet
[01:15] <wswindell> teen chat, gaming
[01:15] <hacker> teacher?
[01:15] <Jucato> hacker: no
[01:15] <prince_jammys> hacker: no, this is the help channel, not the learn english channel
[01:15] <hacker> my god
[01:15] <wswindell> jucato: teen chat, dating
[01:16] <oloughlin75> hacker: That sounds -bad-
[01:16] <Jucato> wswindell: hm.. there are lots of channels in freenode, although most are related to free software
[01:16] <wswindell> can you tell a few
[01:16] <Jucato> wswindell: you can try ##offtopic or #freenode-social
[01:16] <NickPresta> jamaur, is the iso image on the network (nfs or smb) filesystem?
[01:16] <oloughlin75> wswindell: and and acedemic related... /list for a list of channels
[01:16] <Jucato> wswindell: just be careful with the /list command. you might lag a bit
[01:16] <jamaur> NickPresta, it's on the default home directory from the live CD
[01:17] <jamaur> I'm trying to create a bootable live USB
[01:17] <jamaur> I (foolishly) tried to install from a corrupted live CD
[01:17] <jamaur> now this comp is completely useless save for booting from live cd
[01:17] <jamaur> so i need to try to reinstall
[01:18] <NickPresta> jamaur, well, aside from making sure you aren't in the directory you want to use as a mount point, I don't know how else to help, sorry.
[01:18] <jamaur> but I can't just burn a new cd from within the live cd environment...
[01:18] <prince_jammys> i see
[01:18] <ahmos> hi i installed sysfence but,
[01:18] <ahmos> No configuration given
[01:18] <ahmos> sysfence v0.14, 21-06-2004
[01:18] <ahmos> Usage: sysfence <config file> [<config file> ...]
[01:18] <oloughlin75> jamaur: Try using DSL (Damn small linux) or penlinux... then download and burn the ISO
[01:19] <darkstar> hi
[01:19] <ahmos> so what i can do?
[01:19] <jamaur> oloughlin, i don't have access to a cd drive
[01:19] <jamaur> the live CD makes it impossible to burn anything
[01:21] <jamaur> there's no other way to mount an .iso image?
[01:21] <oloughlin75> jamaur: You can mount an iso image with mount
[01:21] <ghost> can u use custom scripts with konversation?
[01:21] <oloughlin75> !mount | jamour
[01:21] <ubotu> jamour: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:22] <oloughlin75> jamaur: I am not sue if you could start the installation from the mounted ISO from the flash drive, though
[01:22] <oloughlin75> maybe though!
[01:22] <jamaur> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[01:24] <stond> can some one tell me how to change the uid of files using terminal
[01:24] <wswindell> kubrick.freenode.net
[01:24] <oloughlin75> jamaur: try it
[01:25] <oloughlin75> stond: "man chmod"
[01:25] <bubba> i dont understand i've install mplayer plugin..it play like 1 sec and stop
[01:26] <oloughlin75> bubba: wma?
[01:26] <oloughlin75> *wmv
[01:26] <stond> then what I want to change it from 1000 to 0
[01:26] <bubba> embedded videos
[01:26] <oloughlin75> bubba: It happens to me sometimes when I play wma streams, I am not sure if there is a fix.workaround
[01:27] <oloughlin75> stond: I am not sure... read the manual
[01:27] <stond> what manual
[01:27] <bubba> so what u using oloughlin
[01:28] <oloughlin75> bubba: I don't watch that many videos lol
[01:28] <bubba> ahhhh :)
[01:28] <oloughlin75> bubba: use a real or quicktime stream instead, if its availible
[01:28] <jhutchins> stond: man <command> in console or # command in konqueror.
[01:29] <jamaur> okay, fixed it
[01:29] <jamaur> copied the iso to a different partition
[01:29] <stond> what is the command I am a noob at this
[01:29] <oloughlin75> stond: "man" stands for manual
[01:30] <oloughlin75> stond: so "man chmod"
[01:30] <bubba> mplayer used to do it all oloughlin
[01:30] <oloughlin75> bubba: It is what I use... if you download the file it will play... I am not sure why streaming freezes sometimes
[01:31] <bubba> oloughlin i can play it on mplayer url
[01:31] <bubba> but if i go to the site it stop lol
[01:31] <bubba> strange
[01:32] <oloughlin75> does it to me too lol idk
[01:33] <willis__> Wee.. Now that they have switched me from Insight to Comcast! gee.. My service is so much better! i used to never Lose connection every 5 min! its so much better now that i cant even  chat on irc. heh heh..
[01:36] <cuznt> i reconfigured my sound driver from source and still no sound in gutsy
[01:38] <karllenz> hi mim rather new to linux and need some help with file sharing between ubuntu and osx
[01:38] <oloughlin75> karllenz: I /think/ you need samba.. but I am not sure
[01:39] <oloughlin75> !samba | karllenz
[01:39] <ubotu> karllenz: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[01:39] <oloughlin75> I am not the one to ask, though!
[01:39] <Tann> Hello all. I am back ;) . I installed some drivers and kmix recognizes my card, but still no sound. help?
[01:39] <karllenz> i have samba aka smb
[01:39] <karllenz> right
[01:40] <karllenz> and i went to the shared folders picked what i wanted to share and i share it as smb
[01:40] <karllenz> i see my linux box on my mac but it tells me connection failed
[01:41] <oloughlin75> keffie_jayx: try this: http://viebrock.ca/article/22/file-sharing-from-linux-to-os-x-a-quick-guide
[01:43] <willis__> karllenz,  you see the shares? or just the machine..
[01:43] <karllenz> just the machine
[01:43] <willis__> You may need to manyally install the samba package.
[01:43] <willis__> that 'shareing stuff' in kde, never seems to work for me.
[01:43] <karllenz> apt-get samba?
[01:43] <willis__> !samba
[01:43] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[01:43] <karllenz> sudo apt-get samba?
[01:44] <willis__>  dont forget the INSTALL option. :)
[01:44] <karllenz> sudo apt-get install samba? lol im really still new
[01:44] <oloughlin75> karllenz: yep
[01:44] <karllenz> thanx
[01:44] <karllenz> ill try that
[01:44] <willis__> i normally 'sudo apt-get install samba' then i give the users samba passwords with 'sudo smbpasswd -a USERNAME'
[01:45] <Tann> will anyone be able to help my with my issue?
[01:45] <willis__> then i manually edit the smb.conf file to enable the home shares.
[01:45] <karllenz> ok u lost me there lol
[01:45] <oloughlin75> !sk | Tann
[01:45] <ubotu> Tann: Žiadame slovenských používateľov aby v kanáli #ubuntu hovorili po anglicky. Slovensky a česky sa dohovoríte v #ubuntu-cz.
[01:45] <willis__> install the samba-doc package, and read the using samba book.
[01:45] <oloughlin75> !ask | Tann
[01:45] <ubotu> Tann: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[01:45] <willis__> I want to share the whole 'homes' directory for all my users. :)
[01:46] <karllenz> o ok
[01:46] <jawee> oloughlin75: minor typo ;)
[01:46] <oloughlin75> jawee: Just one letter :)
[01:46] <karllenz> the sudo apt-get install samba said the newest version is already installed
[01:46] <willis__> i also enable several public shares, and other things
[01:46] <willis__> Now ya know why i manually edit the smb.conf, and dont rely on that kde samba config tool stuff.. :)
[01:46] <KHJNHNKJ> YO
[01:47] <karllenz> right on
[01:48] <stond> can some one tell me what to type in terminal to change the uid of a file 1000 to 0
[01:49] <stond> can some one tell me what to type in terminal to change the uid of a file from 1000 to 0
[01:51] <willis__> 0 is owned by root. 1000 is owned by the first user.
[01:51] <willis__> chown root.root whatever
[01:51] <Tann> KMix is recogonizing my card and all, but there is no sound from any software
[01:51] <willis__>  thats changing the owner of a file, not technicially the files 'uid'
[01:51] <oloughlin75> Tann: ... what id your sound card?
[01:51] <oloughlin75> is*
[01:52] <Tann> its a VIA 8237 in my everex gPC
[01:52] <willis__> Ive some sound cards/alsa drivers have that isue Tann  the cards are  not totally supported.. but that is a pc that came with the gOS thing?
[01:53] <Tann> willis__: yes, but what is odd, is it was working fine untill the other day
[01:53] <willis__> Tann,  that sounds like some update/upgrade broke somthing then.
[01:53] <willis__> Try booting an older kernel from the grub menu - perhaps
[01:59] <mkpaa> I updated to kde 4.0.2 and now I'm missing startkde (and can't start x with kde4, but kdm and kde3 work right) - anyone else had similar problems?
[01:59] <Jucato> mkpaa: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[01:59] <david_> hello
[02:00] <mkpaa> danke
[02:00] <cmlalex> any bttv gurus here?
[02:01] <wswindell> sex
[02:01] <wswindell> sorry, i was wondering about a package called sxs.
[02:05] <david_> does anyone know how to find the (hdx,y) id for partitions in grub menu?
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> !info sxs
[02:07] <ubotu> Package sxs does not exist in gutsy
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> david_: 0 would be the equivalend of "hda" and hd0,0 would be the equivalent of hda1
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> s/0/hd0
[02:10] <david_> so I have windows xp on /dev/sda1 in grub it is (hd0,0) and kubuntu is /dev/sda3 in grub it is (hd0,2)
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> david_: that is correct (if you don't have any pata hard drives in your computer)
[02:13] <david_> ok that makes sense.
[02:14] <david_> my follow up question is I just installed vista on an Extended Partition and it is /dev/sda4. But the os is on /dev/sda5
[02:14] <david_> How would I put it in Grub?
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> grub understands extended partitions
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> it would be hd0,4
[02:15] <david_> thanks a bunch
[02:15] <david_> will try
[02:17] <stond> can somone tell me why when i type sudo konqueror in terminal i wont let me and say that the uid is 1000 and needs to be 0
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> !kdesudo
[02:24] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[02:25] <Jucato> he's gone
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> bleh
[02:28] <BluesKaj> Jucato, nosrednaekim , I had a guy telling me I should try 'sidux' - debian flavoured OS ...any comments ?
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: i've heard good things about it... they use rolling release.
[02:29] <Jucato> BluesKaj: none that I can tell. it's based on Debian Sid (Unstable)
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: its a bit more like raw debian though
[02:29] <Jucato> but it uses KDE so that's +1 for it :)
[02:29] <BluesKaj> yes
[02:31] <BluesKaj> have a live cd ...was tempted to install it but the thing that turned me off wasn't the OS, so much as the support chat atitude to new ppl .
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> debian-like?
[02:32] <BluesKaj> guess I'm hooked on (#)kubuntu  :-)
[02:33] <BluesKaj> no more like mepis or kubuntu IMO
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> I mean the chat attitude
[02:34] <Frederick> folks I need some help is the firefox3in1 valid for the last beta release?
[02:34] <BluesKaj> ppl seem helpful to some degree
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> firefox3in1?
[02:35] <BluesKaj> latest is FF3beta3
[02:36] <Frederick> BluesKaj: I meant a script which managed to install multimedia suport, java and flash
[02:37] <Jucato> Frederick: unfortunately, we can't support 3rd party scripts/apps.. you might want to check in #firefox
[02:38] <PriceChild> csd
[02:38] <Frederick> Jucato: it was a script form the community :p
[02:38] <Frederick> oki it is no major
[02:38] <Frederick> deal
[02:38] <BluesKaj> flashplugin-nonfree,mozilla-plugin, and java6, I think
[02:38] <Jucato> which community?
[02:38] <Frederick> I got also no sound, I dont know why
[02:39] <Frederick> lspci lists the card, checked alsa mixer
[02:39] <Jucato> best place to ask help about "community" scripts is from the person(s) who made the script :)
[02:39] <Frederick> I can play sound files
[02:39] <Frederick> and just get no sound
[02:40] <Frederick> obviously, sound is turned on, and volume is properly set. :(
[02:40] <BluesKaj> in the terminal type ,alsamixer
[02:40] <Frederick> BluesKaj: Ive done it already
[02:41] <Frederick> checked all settings
[02:41] <ps3> super
[02:42] <Frederick> BluesKaj: I get no errors also, I just get no sound
[02:43] <BluesKaj> kmix ?
[02:44] <Frederick> it is behaving strabge
[02:45] <Frederick> I have a nvidia card oki?  HDA Nvidia scroll bar seems strange
[02:46] <murat> could somebody help me ?
[02:47] <murat> i cannot install amsn
[02:47] <murat> and i cannot use kopete
[02:47] <BluesKaj> murat, try pidgin
[02:47] <murat> pidgin ?
[02:47] <murat> how can i install it
[02:47] <Jucato> the same way you install any package
[02:48] <Jucato> Adept or Add/Remove Programs or apt-get or aptitude
[02:48] <jawee> murat: wait, wait. what's wrong with kopete?
[02:48] <murat> i don't know
[02:48] <murat> when i'm trying to coonnect
[02:48] <murat> iti is crashing
[02:49] <jawee> murat: oh, that can be fixed
[02:49] <jawee> murat: it's a problem with msn
[02:49] <murat> really
[02:49] <murat> how can i fix it
[02:49] <jawee> murat: one sec, let me find the deb package
[02:49] <murat> ok
[02:49] <Jucato> if it's a new installation of Kubuntu, you just need to update
[02:49] <murat> it is kubuntu 7.10
[02:50] <murat> and i think something wrong in my source.list
[02:50] <jawee> murat: just install this: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3041
[02:50] <jawee> click where it says fixed .deb
[02:50] <Jucato> jawee: that fix has been put into the official updates already
[02:50] <jawee> download that, double click to open the installer
[02:50] <jawee> Jucato: oh. Well I did that when I first got Gusty...
[02:50] <Jucato> he just needs to update his system to get the update
[02:51] <Jucato> yes because back then it wasn't immediately put into the updates. but now, on a fresh install, you just have to update your system and you'll get it
[02:51] <jawee> Jucato: k'do. Didn't realize
[02:52] <murat> ok i am installing it
[02:52] <murat> also i am new on kubuntu
[02:52] <murat> and i'm trying to learn this
[02:52] <jawee> murat: have you used Linux before?
[02:52] <Jucato> yep. that's why I recommended updating your system. keep your system up to date with bug and security fixes
[02:53] <murat> no i didn't
[02:53] <murat> i mean i used opensuse but not as a root
[02:53] <murat> just as a guest
[02:53] <jawee> live cd?
[02:53] <BluesKaj> odd , I just tried kopete with msn and it works fine , didn't update
[02:54] <BluesKaj> first time used
[02:54] <murat> ok i am installing package
[02:54] <murat> it is installed
[02:54] <murat> what should i do now ?
[02:55] <jawee> run kopete again
[02:56] <murat> thank you
[02:56] <murat> it is working
[02:56] <jawee> da nada
[02:56] <jawee> you still should update your system though
[02:56] <murat> ok
[02:58] <MrJoey> How do I get a listing of what codecs my lavc has?  (lavc being an audio codec for ffmpeg/mencoder)
[03:00] <murat> i have some problems with firefox. it is not connecting somewhere
[03:02] <murat> is anybody there ?
[03:03] <xp_killer> nope
[03:04] <coreymon77> definitely not here
[03:04] <Apple_Cat> bit more info murat?
[03:04] <coreymon77> murat: apple_cat is not here either
[03:05]  * Apple_Cat makes swooshing noises 
[03:07] <murat> could somebody help me ?
[03:07] <Apple_Cat> bit more info murat?
[03:08] <murat> i could not updating system with sudo apt-get uptade
[03:08] <murat> update
[03:09] <Apple_Cat> what's your native language, murat?
[03:09] <murat> turkish
[03:09] <xp_killer> lol
[03:10] <murat> is it funny ?
[03:10] <murat> could something wrong in my source.list ?
[03:11] <BluesKaj> !tk | murat
[03:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <BluesKaj> !tr | murat
[03:12] <ubotu> murat: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[03:13] <Apple_Cat> thanks, i couldn't find a turkish room anywhere
[03:13] <murat> there is nobody in turkish room
[03:14] <khaled> hey can anyone help me
[03:15] <Apple_Cat> What's the problem ?
[03:15] <khaled> im tryin to find a linux program that can mount iso files
[03:15] <khaled> like a linux alternative of daemon tools
[03:15] <BluesKaj> kiso
[03:15] <Daisuke_Ido> !iso | khaled
[03:15] <ubotu> khaled: To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[03:16] <khaled> iim not tryin to burn tho
[03:16] <khaled> im tryin to like mount it to the HD then install without a cd
[03:17]  * Daisuke_Ido weeps for the future
[03:17] <Daisuke_Ido> khaled: did you read what that said or just skip to the part that said !burning?
[03:17] <khaled> im actually trying it atm
[03:18] <khaled> but i didnt want to try and i can only burn so i wanted to clarify
[03:18] <khaled> haha
[03:21] <khaled> k when using that code
[03:21] <Erickj92> am i able to get flash via sudo apt-get?
[03:21] <khaled> how do i specify the location
[03:22] <khaled> khaled/home/desktop if its on my desktop???
[03:22] <tin> Erickj92: yes, search on 'flash' to see the choices
[03:22] <Erickj92> ok, thanks
[03:23] <murat> how can i install compiz fusion on kubuntu 7.10 ?
[03:24] <Apple_Cat> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[03:25] <Apple_Cat> http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-Compiz-Fusion-on-Ubuntu-58113.shtml
[03:28] <murat> how can i find a source.list for kubuntu 7.10 ?
[03:28] <stond> can some one tell me how to change the icon of a removable medium such as my PSP I can not change the icon from an ipod to a png file of my choose
[03:32] <Frederick> folks I got a fresh install but no sound
[03:33] <stond> can some one tell me how to change the icon of a removable medium such as my PSP I can not change the icon from an ipod.png icon to a psp.png icon of my choose
[03:33] <BluesKaj> murat ,alt+F2, kdesudo kate /etcapt/sources.list
[03:33] <BluesKaj> murat correction ,alt+F2, kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:33] <Frederick> and without sound I cant program :p
[03:34] <andresj> any reason for KDE 4.0.2 suddenly crashing every time I open it? I just upgraded one hour ago...
[03:34] <BluesKaj> Frederick, lspci | grep audio
[03:35] <stond> can some one tell me how to change the icon of a removable medium such as my PSP I can not change the icon from an ipod.png icon to a psp.png icon of my choice
[03:36] <Frederick> BluesKaj: nothing is listed
[03:36] <murat> ok i need a source.list
[03:36] <BluesKaj> Frederick, no 'audio controller' ?
[03:36] <murat> mine is not correct
[03:37] <Frederick> no but
[03:37] <BluesKaj> murat go to google and look for one there
[03:37] <Frederick> 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio (rev a1)
[03:37] <Frederick> is listed
[03:37] <BluesKaj> !sources.list
[03:37] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[03:38] <BluesKaj> Frederick, asoundconf set-default-card "nVidia Corporation MCP67 High Definition Audio"
[03:38] <Frederick> and?
[03:39] <BluesKaj> Frederick, you may need to DL the driver from nvidia as well
[03:39] <stond> can some one tell me how to change the icon of a removable medium such as my PSP I can not change the icon from an ipod.png icon to a psp.png icon of my choice
[03:40] <Tann> stond: did what i suggest not work earlier?
[03:40] <Frederick> how?
[03:40] <Frederick> man it broke my stuff :/
[03:40] <BluesKaj> stond, right click on the icon , the choose properties/ click on the icon /system icons ...go from there
[03:42] <BluesKaj> Frederick, go to the nvidia site and find your card and look for linux driver support
[03:42] <stond> BluesKaj  that did not work it keeps gooing back to the same icon
[03:43] <BluesKaj> you can't choose icons in the list ?
[03:44] <regeya> for whatever reason, in the middle of all the folks having all kinds of problems, I'd just like to say that my machine at this time is working great, afaik nothing's broken, kudos to all developers, not just kubuntu developers, for helping to make this what is for me the maytag of OSes
[03:44] <stond> Tann I cant figure out the sudo konqueror thing I keep getting a butt load of errors about file uip is 1000 and not 0
[03:44] <Tann> stond: did konqueror open?
[03:45] <Frederick> BluesKaj: oki there is no driver, but damm last kubuntu had no problems with sound
[03:45] <BluesKaj> stond, right click on the icon , the choose properties/ click on the icon in the properties box /system icons/choose icon in the list
[03:45] <Jucato> !kdesu | Tann and stond
[03:45] <ubotu> Tann and stond: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[03:45] <Tann> that works too
[03:45] <Tann> you can run "kdesu konqueror"
[03:45] <Tann> i always tend to forget that one
[03:46] <stond> BluesKaj when i check the proptries the little pic of the icon in the upper left coner of the window is what i want but it is not changed on the desktop
[03:47]  * BluesKaj puts his head in his hands in frustration 
[03:47] <Jucato> I'm not actually sure.. but maybe the icon for media can be set/changed in Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations -> media -> ?
[03:48] <Jucato> stond: you can also try asking in #kde
[03:48] <Jucato> someone there might know
[03:49] <Erickj92> i dont know what package to pick for flash player for firefox
[03:49] <Jucato> Erickj92: flashplugin-nonfree
[03:49] <Erickj92> Jucato, will i be able to watch youtube videos with that?
[03:49] <Jucato> sure
[03:50] <Jucato> stond: what icon does the PSP use when connected?
[03:50] <monte48lowes> ipod
[03:50] <Jucato> oh
[03:51] <monte48lowes> I think it has to do with how KDE is handling the PSP
[03:51] <Jucato> or how the system sees it too
[03:52] <monte48lowes> true
[03:52] <BluesKaj> jucato, he's not following the sequence i gave him to change his icon , I'm sure
[03:52] <NickPresta> I remember I changed my PSP icon from the ipod to a generic removable storage icon and it stayed the same every time I would mount the PSP. *shrug* It appears to work for some and not for others.
[03:53] <Jucato> BluesKaj: hold on let me try yours :)
[03:53] <Jucato> BluesKaj: where should I right-click again? icon on the desktop or in media:/
[03:54] <monte48lowes> desktop
[03:54] <BluesKaj> in the properties box
[03:54] <Jucato> hm.. that doesn't work... changing the File Associations icon works though
[03:54] <Jucato> oh wait
[03:54] <BluesKaj> desktop first
[03:54] <BluesKaj> then the properties box
[03:55] <stond> BluesKaj when i typed sudo konqueror did open but i also got a list of errors saying something about the uid is 1000 and not 0 will it still work
[03:55] <Jucato> BluesKaj: yes, but not the icon box itself, but the wrench icon that you have to click
[03:56] <Jucato> stond: ok here's what you can try to do. follow it step by step ok?
[03:56] <Jucato> stond: plug in your PSP, it should show an icon on the desktop right?
[03:56] <BluesKaj> not the wrench icon , that just changes the icon for that file association
[03:56] <Jucato> BluesKaj: exactly
[03:57] <Jucato> BluesKaj: because it's a removable media, not a static file, so the normal icon change doesn't happen
[03:57] <BluesKaj> he just wants to change the icon for his ipod ,from his explanation
[03:57] <Jucato> yes. and from his explanation, any change he makes doesn't stay whenever he replugs his PSP
[03:57] <Jucato> actually change the icon for his PSP (which is an ipod by default it seems0
[03:57] <mixed> I have an XP IDE HD with disk errors, I have it setup as slave in my distro, are there any utilities that will let me fix the errors on the HD?
[03:57] <BluesKaj> ok Jucato , point taken , wasn't aware of that
[03:58] <monte48lowes> mixed: testdisk
[03:58] <ForgeAus> hehe andLinux brings me here :) nice!
[03:58] <ForgeAus> I'm in Konversation btw
[03:58] <Jucato> BluesKaj: afaik, KDE decides on which icon to use for removable media depending on the type. see the File Associations tree for media
[03:58] <stond> ok I plugged it in and it show an ipod icon i want to change it to a png icon i have downloaded
[03:58] <ForgeAus> (same as in real Kubuntu)
[03:58] <monte48lowes> mized: please review Christophe's website. he has very easy to follow directions there
[03:58] <Jucato> stond: right-click on the icon. select Properties then click on the wrench icon that you see
[03:59] <Jucato> (the wrench icon is at the far right, on the same level as "Type:"
[03:59] <ForgeAus> Jucato how do I stop kwin and start fluxbox?
[03:59] <ForgeAus> (without exiting kde)
[04:00] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kinda hackish...  make sure you have a konsole or Alt+F2 open otherwise you won't be able to start fluxbox
[04:00] <BluesKaj> well sacktime here, night gents and gentilles
[04:00] <ForgeAus> ok I have a konsole
[04:00] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kill kwin in the process table (Ctrl+Esc) then type "fluxbox &" in Alt+F2 to start it
[04:00] <Jucato> hm.. better stick with Alt+F2 though..
[04:00] <Jucato> Konsole might complain about no display set
[04:00] <ForgeAus> um I think I need to go to ksysguard to kill kwin
[04:00] <Jucato> stond: still with me?
[04:01] <Jucato> wel Ctrl+Esc starts ksysguard
[04:01] <prince_jammys> fluxbox --replace    is no good?
[04:01] <Jucato> (at least the process table part)
[04:01] <Jucato> prince_jammys: nope
[04:01] <ForgeAus> (in andLinux control escape still brings up windows start menu)
[04:01] <Jucato> andLinux?
[04:01] <stond> Jucato ok now what
[04:01] <ForgeAus> yeah
[04:01] <ForgeAus> its a kernel emulator for windows :)
[04:01] <ForgeAus> very nice imho
[04:02] <Jucato> stond: you clicked on the wrench icon? a new window/dialog box should appear
[04:02] <ForgeAus> basically embeds kubuntu in windows
[04:02] <Jucato> stond: you'll see the icon for the ipod at the left and "Filename Patterns" at the right. ( just making sure we're on the same page)
[04:02] <ForgeAus> (though the desktop is shared)
[04:03] <ForgeAus> (because Xming has a "rootless" mode
[04:03] <Jucato> ForgeAus: er... :/
[04:03] <stond> Jucato yes I clicked the little wrench in the little bow
[04:03] <ForgeAus> at least I think thats what it calls it
[04:03] <Jucato> stond: ok, in that new window that popped up, click on the ipod icon to change it, once you changed it. click Apply then OK
[04:03] <Jucato> that should work now
[04:03] <ForgeAus> basicaly means that the x-desktop is "transparent" and it uses Windows' decorators :)
[04:04] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yeah. the "er..." is for running Linux embedded in Windows :P
[04:04] <ForgeAus> I can show you a screenshot, its nice
[04:04] <ForgeAus> but I have to email u I don't htink I can dcc
[04:04] <ForgeAus> either that or if you know how I can paste it to a temp website
[04:05] <Jucato> I saw the website :)
[04:05] <stond> Jucato ok the picture was the same as the icon for my usb sd cardreader
[04:05] <ForgeAus> oh ok :)
[04:05] <ForgeAus> but you didn't see my prettier transparent window borders one :)
[04:05] <Jucato> heh
[04:05] <Jucato> stond: so it didn't work?
[04:06] <stond> i dont know just a sec
[04:07] <stond> Jucato ok it changed my usb sd cardreader icon but not the ipod icon which is my psp
[04:07] <ForgeAus> hehe Jucato if anyone joins here with the nick cobuntu they're probably using andLinux (its the default nickname)...
[04:07] <Jucato> ow...
[04:08] <Jucato> ah coLinux...
[04:08] <Jucato> sheesh..
[04:08] <ForgeAus> yes colinux is what AndLinux is based on
[04:08] <Jucato> stond: hm.. strange... sorry I have no PSP/iPod to really test it with. only have USB flashdrives
[04:08] <ForgeAus> (that + xming + pulseaudio (was esd) and a few other minor things)
[04:08] <Jucato> as far as my usb drive is concerned, it works
[04:09] <Jucato> interesting... or not :P
[04:09] <stond> Jucato well thinks for your help
[04:12] <ForgeAus> hmm
[04:12] <ForgeAus> I dunno the su pass :( It doesn't have one in the main console but  I didn't use & to run stuff
[04:12] <ForgeAus> so I'm a little messed up there
[04:13] <ForgeAus> at least I got sudo now :)
[04:13] <ForgeAus> hehe something I couldn't get for my interix subsystem
[04:14] <Jucato> they have a forum. you can ask there :P
[04:14] <ForgeAus> Andlinux does yeah
[04:14] <ForgeAus> its also got a channel #andLinux but theres hardly anyone there
[04:14]  * Jucato didn't know colinux was actually still alive
[04:14] <ForgeAus> hehe apparently so
[04:15] <Jucato> anyway, lunch time.
[04:15] <Jucato> stond: try asking in #kde some time about your problem. I vaguely recall some people asking about that in the past
[04:20] <mixed> monte48lowes, thanks for the 411, im installing testdisk right now
[04:22] <dthacker> join #ubuntu
[04:22] <dthacker> argh
[04:27] <cheeby> hi.  running heron.  what package do I need to get vim syntax hilighing?  I did an apt-get install gvim and though all the dependencies would be statisfied.
[04:29] <Apple_Cat> what language do you want syntax highlighting for ?
[04:29] <cheeby> php
[04:29] <cheeby> python, perl, sql, java, ruby
[04:30] <cheeby> bash
[04:30] <cheeby> on my ubunty system, the whole thing just works.
[04:33] <ps> hi, does anybody know how to get compiz working on kubuntu with kde?
[04:33] <Apple_Cat> do you know if you have all the syntax files in the vim/syntax directory ?
[04:34] <cheeby> Apple_Cat: not sure.  checking.  just wondering what the command would be to install them.
[04:34] <Apple_Cat> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=790
[04:36] <Apple_Cat> in vim, :cal SetSyn("perl") will turn it on, replace perl for whichever other language you want
[04:38] <Apple_Cat> although it should autodetect and enable as soon as you save the file, ie. saving a file as foo.py will turn python syntax highlighting on
[04:38] <Apple_Cat> if you have automatic syntax highlighting on in your vimrc
[04:39] <cheeby> yeah.  I'll check that.
[04:39] <cheeby> thanks.
[04:39]  * cheeby has to deal with crying baby
[04:40] <vALIEN> boo
[04:40] <vALIEN> its 4:20
[04:41] <Apple_Cat> 04:20 ?
[04:48] <ForgeAus> how do I set the screenres in Xephyr?
[04:53] <ForgeAus> hehe kewl xrandr worked nicely
[04:56] <ForgeAus> oh 2 problems 1 when I go into the nested X-server it has display set to :1 but my external is changed too, how do I prevent that?
[05:02] <ziyod> Hey guys
[05:02] <ziyod> i need help with compiz
[05:02] <ziyod> can someone guide me through
[05:03] <MilitantPotato> try #compiz-fusion
[05:03] <MilitantPotato> ?
[05:03] <MilitantPotato> Hmm, how do I get the module gtop loaded?
[05:04] <ziyod> thx Militant
[05:06] <tlayton> Apple_Cat: do you have the line needed for the vimrc syntax highlighting?
[05:07] <Apple_Cat> syntax on
[05:07] <tlayton> Apple_Cat: aha, nice. thx
[05:17] <CaptSilver> i have a stubborn ace file, unace e <archive name> isn't working, does anyone know of any other programs that will unace it?
[05:19] <Draco> what package or option do I need to set to get "autocomplete" in KDevelop
[05:19] <Draco> even something to the extent of what VIM has
[05:25] <MilitantPotato> 7zip, peazip
[05:25] <MilitantPotato> ah he left.
[05:33] <tin> Draco: install kate-plugins
[05:34] <tin> actually, the autocomplete may be in just kate, and just needs to be turned on
[05:37] <Draco> tin: thanks
[05:38] <Draco> tin: kate-plugins must have it because kate doesn't by default
[05:41] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[05:42] <ForgeAus> broken packages :(
[05:53] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[05:53] <ForgeAus> not quite there yet
[05:53] <ForgeAus> it uninstalled konqeror on me :(
[05:57] <MilitantPotato> FGLRX 8.3     March 5, 2008
[05:57] <MilitantPotato> yay.
[05:57] <Apple_Cat> yay
[05:58]  * Apple_Cat celebrates  
[05:58] <MilitantPotato> Diagonal tearing will no longer be noticed when playing a video file using a video player that utilizes the XVideo extension
[05:58] <MilitantPotato> Aw, that's the best news I've had all weak
[05:58]  * MilitantPotato tears up
[05:59] <MilitantPotato>  Video playback will no longer look blocky when playing a video file using a video player that utilizes the XVideo extension
[06:02] <Apple_Cat> hoo ray
[06:03] <MilitantPotato> mm don't compile when tired :(
[06:06] <sandro_> can anyone tell me why kubunt isnt reading my media card? do i need a driver?
[06:06] <sandro_> do i need to get something from adept manager?
[06:06] <tin> reading it how?
[06:07] <tyler> hey any body runing kubuntu in vmware?
[06:07] <tin> like not showing up in storage media?
[06:07] <sandro_> it just isnt reading my SD card
[06:07] <sandro_> yeah
[06:07] <tin> or showing up and looking empty
[06:07] <tin> check that hald is running
[06:07] <sandro_> just not registering
[06:07] <tin> hald and dbus
[06:07] <sandro_> im a newb and just trying linux out
[06:07] <tin> they keep track of hardware and send messages to the desktop environs
[06:08] <tin> open "konsole", type 'ps ax | grep hald' and see if anything shows up
[06:08] <sandro_> ok thanks
[06:10] <tyler> What are some tight programs for linux?
[06:10] <tin> tightvnc
[06:10] <tyler> vnc?
[06:11] <tyler> i am running in vmware
[06:16] <crackhead_25> hey, anyone expert in here? i need some help getting my printer to work.. i've tried everything!
[06:17] <ForgeAus> hmm ifi t removed konqi and wanted to be tricky I wonder what else it removed on me :(
[06:17] <crackhead_25> it's an hp 3550.. it's recognized on lsusb.. and it was working a few days ago, before i did a feisty to gutsy upgrade.. but now, no luck.....
[06:17] <crackhead_25> i'm using adobe.ppd.. hpijs.. very typical, recommended stuff...
[06:18] <crackhead_25> cups
[06:18] <ForgeAus> btw my packages weren't broken
[06:18] <ForgeAus> there was just a weird dependancy issue
[06:18] <crackhead_25> is this a bug? what's going on? anyone help?
[06:18] <ForgeAus> once I installed one of the dependant packages konqi decided it liked me
[06:38] <veirs> i installed the restricted extras but still can't play real media files. what else do i need?
[06:38] <MilitantPotato> !codecs
[06:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:38] <MilitantPotato> did you follow that stuff veirs
[06:39] <veirs> i followed the first link, let me read second
[06:40] <veirs> hmm
[06:40] <veirs> those links doesn't really help
[06:41] <veirs> i am using xine (caffine)
[06:42] <enwe> haloo
[06:44] <MilitantPotato> tried restarting?
[06:44] <veirs> i don't think that's the problem
[06:45] <veirs> think i got it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealPlayerInstallationMethods
[06:46] <veirs> seems like one is forced to install realplayer
[06:51] <tyler> sowhat is so dope about kubuntu?
[06:51] <tyler> i still dont get it
[06:52] <veirs> fairly easy to use for a noob like me
[06:54] <enwe> nice desktop
[06:58] <enwe> join #indonesia
[07:02] <klobster> is there a kb shortcut to lock the session?
[07:03] <sjck> hi, is there a way to install the divx browser-plugin (for opera or firefox)?
[07:05] <membrive> sjck, for firefox you have mplayer-plugin and mozilla-plugin-vlc I think
[07:05] <nanothief> hi, I am having a problem with getting kubuntu feisty working in a vmware machine, when I install vmware-tools, window movement becomes very jerky. How can this be fixed?
[07:06] <sjck> nanothief  yea but if i try to watch some videos it says i dont have the plugin, when i click install plugin it opens a page which says only for windows : /
[07:07] <membrive> sjck, oh, I believe that mplayer-plugin mb only play MPEG
[07:07] <membrive> dunno if plays .avi :S
[07:08] <sjck> damn
[07:09] <crackhead_25> can anyone help with my printer quesiton?????
[07:09] <sjck> maybe I install a 2nd opera with wine
[07:09] <crackhead_25> sjck, you need restricted drivers
[07:09] <crackhead_25> !restricted | sjck
[07:09] <ubotu> sjck: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:10] <sjck> no, its for videos streams not for videos on my hdd
[07:10] <crackhead_25> where are you trying to stream anything from a .divx format?
[07:10] <crackhead_25> usually it's displayed in flash
[07:11] <crackhead_25> if it's reading divx, then just save as -- and watch it local
[07:11] <sjck> Ive no TV, want to watch series while eating..
[07:11] <nanothief> if you save the divx, you don't have to wait until it finishes downloading before you start watching it
[07:11] <crackhead_25> sjck, you're watching live tv through a cable card, you mean?
[07:12] <sjck> how can I save it?
[07:12] <sjck> no, some unserious sites which I dont want to type in here (:
[07:12] <nanothief> sjck: ...
[07:13] <nanothief> ;D
[07:14] <crackhead_25> sjck: you can say it. it's ok. porn!
[07:14] <crackhead_25> lol
[07:14] <sjck> eating without watching my favorite series is boring. :(
[07:17] <nanothief> sjck: well the download method is different for each site, a firefox extension called unplug can often do it
[07:19] <sjck> ah, Ive heared of that plugin.. it can download youtube vids too if I remember correctly
[07:19] <nanothief> thats right
[07:20] <sjck> alright nanothief thanks for the hint
[07:21] <nanothief> np
[07:22] <nanothief> anyway, does anyone know the answer to my vmware problem from above? :D
[07:22] <sjck> another question: kubuntu loads every app i didnt closed before i loged out. is there a way to disable it? I want only a few apps in autorun
[07:24] <asobi> system settings -> service manager -> startup services
[07:27] <sjck> asobi dont see what should I uncheck there..
[07:28] <asobi> whatever you don't want to autorun?
[07:29] <sjck> there are no apps or something
[07:29] <sjck> only services which sound kinda usefull
[07:29] <Jucato> service manager is for services/daemons. not apps
[07:29] <prince_jammys> sjck: what you want is session manager-> and make it so it doesnt remember your session
[07:29] <asobi> or try session manager and select brand new session
[07:29] <sjck> ah
[07:30] <Jucato> or you can set it to restore a manually saved session
[07:30] <asobi> what jammy said
[07:30] <Jucato> (so you can manually save what apps you want to be started and never save a session automatically)
[07:30] <sjck> thanks!
[07:31] <asobi> what's a way to check list of codecs installed?
[07:39] <_eMaX_> hi all
[07:42] <_eMaX_> anyone knows why this may happen: I've all partitions of my disk to a new one by creating the partitions and then cp -av except for some files like /proc, /tmp, /media, /mnt. I then swap disks and try to boot from the new one. I can boot up to when I try to log in through kdm. This fails (drops me back to the logon screen). Switching to a console, I can log on as my normal user, but not become root, as /etc/sudoers is owned by my normal user, not by root.
[07:42] <_eMaX_> Now, when I mount the new disk having booted with the old one, /etc on the new disk is owned by root:root.
[08:13] <sanitarium> hiii
[08:13] <sanitarium> i need help plz
[08:13] <sanitarium> can i install compiz-fusion to kubuntu??
[08:14] <asobi> i believe so
[08:14] <sanitarium> can u tell me how
[08:14] <asobi> um
[08:14] <asobi> i think it comes preinstalled with gutsy
[08:14] <sanitarium> i mean to be the main interface
[08:15] <asobi> i don't use it so i can't really help you much
[08:15] <sanitarium> i'am using 7.4
[08:15] <sanitarium> cuz i have an error with 7.10 with screen resolution
[08:15] <asobi> um
[08:15] <asobi> google it
[08:15] <asobi> i think there's a lot of stuff on it
[08:16] <asobi> installation can't be that hard
[08:16] <sanitarium> i know , but configure it makes a lot of problemes
[08:17] <sanitarium> anyway thaaanks a lottttttttttt
[08:17] <asobi> ah
[08:17] <asobi> yea, that's more complex
[08:39] <raivarun> hi everyone
[08:39] <raivarun> does anyone know how to remove and add things to the task bar
[08:47] <Freku> rightclick on the bar ?
[08:48] <windvogel> Moin Moin
[08:50] <mohi> hi
[08:50] <mohi> I wanted to install nfs-common but I always get this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5390/
[08:50] <mohi> any idea?
[08:58] <prince_jammys> mohi: check this out:: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=688250
[09:02] <invite_> Something is driving me crazy with files permissions. I'm trying to set my /dev/SDA7 permission to some foo user. chown is showing on its output that the changes are being applied but when I check the FP just after I find that it stills the SAME !!!
[09:03] <invite_> I'm not having this problem with files mounted under / except those of /media
[09:03] <prince_jammys> what kind of device is it?
[09:03] <invite_> What am I missing
[09:03] <invite_> my HD partition
[09:03] <invite_> internal
[09:04] <prince_jammys> it's currently mounted?
[09:04] <invite_> yep
[09:04] <prince_jammys> can you paste the output of::  grep /sda7 /etc/fstab
[09:04] <invite_> Should I edit the fstab and make it "mountable" by other users than root
[09:04] <invite_> ?
[09:05] <prince_jammys> yes, that would work. what file system is it? ntfs?
[09:05] <invite_> UUID=BE3427F63427B077 /media/sda7     ntfs    user,defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[09:05] <invite_> yep
[09:06] <invite_> NTFS
[09:06] <prince_jammys> you need to install ntfs-3g
[09:06] <prince_jammys> if you don't have it
[09:06] <prince_jammys> !info ntfs-3g
[09:06] <ubotu> ntfs-3g (source: ntfs-3g): read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 116 kB
[09:07] <prince_jammys> sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g      and i'll show you  my fstab line
[09:07] <invite_> i have it already installed
[09:07] <prince_jammys> ok here goes
[09:07] <invite_> and can mount sda7
[09:07] <prince_jammys> you may get away with just changing "ntfs" to "ntfs-3g"
[09:08] <invite_> ok thanks
[09:08] <prince_jammys> this is mine /dev/sda1       /mnt/windows    ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=227     0       0
[09:08] <prince_jammys> your umask is fine, and so is the UUID
[09:09] <prince_jammys> the other options are probably fine too, except for the "ntfs" part
[09:09] <invite_> should I reboot for fstab to take accout of the changes or just umount/ mount
[09:09] <prince_jammys> no, just umount and mount
[09:11] <sbucat> hello  i am trying to compile libquicktime with lame and faac supports, well i am near solution but it says : you need of GTK >=2.4 well perfect xD but what must i install  now?
[09:11] <prince_jammys> invite_: if for some reason it doesn't work, uid=1000,gid=1000  will make you the owner (if your uid is 1000, which you can verify with::  echo $UID )
[09:12] <invite_> In fact I still can't change the FP
[09:12] <invite_> going to try it now
[09:12] <prince_jammys> invite_: you won't be able to change permissions
[09:12] <prince_jammys> invite_: but you'll be able to write to the partition
[09:13] <prince_jammys> invite_: i don't think you can change permissions of individual files within ntfs, if that's what you want to do
[09:13] <invite_> Ok let me resume the situation.
[09:14] <invite_> I was able to write on the partition from the begining
[09:14] <invite_> but i was unable to transfer some files from it to another PC connected via
[09:15] <invite_> smb
[09:15] <prince_jammys> ah, so i misunderstood your question entirely :)
[09:15] <invite_> cause it always prompt that i don't have the sufficient permissions to do so
[09:15] <invite_> :)
[09:15] <hacker> 中文频道
[09:15] <prince_jammys> hacker, come on we went through this yesterday
[09:15] <hacker> 密码是多少 ？
[09:16] <hacker> kubuntu-cn password?
[09:16] <prince_jammys> #ubuntu-cn  hacker
[09:16] <storbeck> What the?
[09:17] <prince_jammys> invite_: i'm ignorant when it comes to smb -- try #ubuntu also, there's more going on there
[09:17] <invite_> Ok thanks anyway
[09:17] <prince_jammys> invite_: sorry
[09:17] <invite_> going there right now
[09:17] <invite_> thanks again
[09:17] <invite_> :)
[09:20] <hacker> 如果进入中文频道
[09:20] <hacker> 如何
[09:21] <JohnFlux> こんにちは
[09:22] <Ukonpoika_> !cn | hacker
[09:22] <ubotu> hacker: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[09:22] <storbeck> Ugh, SuSe is already giving me troubles and it's not even installed yet. >.<
[09:22] <el-gokulo> ???? #kubuntu-cn ????
[09:22] <hacker> thanks
[09:24] <dhq> error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:32] <dhq> !find libglib-2.0.so.0
[09:32] <ubotu> File libglib-2.0.so.0 found in libglib2.0-0
[09:36] <hacker> hov add the chinese channel
[09:36] <SlimeyPete> !chinese
[09:36] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[09:36] <hacker> yes
[09:36] <SlimeyPete> oh
[09:36] <SlimeyPete>  /join #ubuntu-cn
[09:38] <hacker> why my acquiesce for is english channel
[09:38] <hacker> #ubuntu-cn
[09:38] <hacker> 明白了
[09:39] <hacker> kubuntu-cn
[09:39] <Jucato> hacker: please, for the last time, speak only English in here
[09:39] <Jucato> you are already in #ubuntu-cn and there is no #kubuntu-cn
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> anyone using firefox3?
[10:01] <windvogel> no 2.0.0.12
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> bah
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus, you using firefox 3 beta?
[10:09] <ForgeAus> not yet
[10:10] <ForgeAus> I was going to wait till it was FireFox 3 full before I got it
[10:10] <ForgeAus> but I must admit I sorely need my native windows firefox upgraded, but still I rarely use it
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> ForgeAus, its weird and wondered what everyone has had happen to them with it
[10:10] <ForgeAus> (I tend to be in either Netscape and/or IE7)
[10:11] <ForgeAus> or for small stuff Safari
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> what is ldconfig deferred processing?
[10:12] <ForgeAus> um I'll see if I can find out
[10:13] <ForgeAus> well ldconfig says its configures dynamic linker run-time bindings
[10:14] <ForgeAus> means it keeps the .dll's (or .so's) up-to-date
[10:14] <ForgeAus> I don't know why someone would want to defer it but perhaps its faster that way?
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> makes sense, I've just seen it o much and finally got curious
[10:15] <ActionParsnip> cheers ForgeAus :D
[10:15] <ForgeAus> heeh all it took was a man ldconfig
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> haha nice one :)
[10:20] <seb_> hello
[10:20] <seb_> i need help !
[10:21] <seb_> i tried to install the latest Nvidia driver
[10:21] <seb_> ( i just installed gusty gibbon )
[10:21] <seb_> i launched the nvidia installer ( from nvidia.com )
[10:21] <SlimeyPete> don't.
[10:21] <SlimeyPete> !nvidia
[10:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:21] <seb_> lol
[10:21] <seb_> ok
[10:21] <SlimeyPete> there is a "proper" ubuntu/kubuntu way to do it
[10:22] <SlimeyPete> which works better for most people
[10:22] <seb_> everythings works fines until i reboot
[10:22] <seb_> problem with kernel source or womething
[10:22] <seb_> i alredy have this problem few years ago
[10:22] <SlimeyPete> yeah, I think it's a common problem. You shouldn't have any trouble if you follow the link above.
[10:22] <seb_> i solved it putting a symbolic link somewhere
[10:23] <seb_> but i didn't remember
[10:23] <seb_> ok i'll try this
[10:24] <seb_> erm
[10:25] <seb_> i m using Kde
[10:25] <seb_> is it the same way ?
[10:25] <SlimeyPete> yes, but the Restricted Drivers Manager is in the KDE system menu
[10:25] <seb_> ok :)
[10:25] <seb_> thx ^
[10:25] <seb_> ^
[10:26] <SlimeyPete> if you click on "System Settings" in the K menu and then click "Advanced" you should see it.
[10:26] <seb_> yeah
[10:26] <seb_> i m in it
[10:26] <seb_> but i says my system doesn't need any driver
[10:26] <seb_> :|
[10:27] <SlimeyPete> Ah. That might be because you've already sort-of installed it.
[10:27] <seb_> damn
[10:27] <seb_> that's the 3 time i installed it
[10:27] <seb_> ^^'
[10:27] <ubuntu_> !fr
[10:27] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:32] <max_> I neet to know free memory in my system what is the command in C++?
[10:32] <max_> I neet to know free memory in my system what is the command in C++?
[10:35] <ForgeAus> wow the cli history bash keeps is incredible
[10:35] <seb_> well ...
[10:35] <seb_> i can't get it :(
[10:35] <seb_> first time i get trouble installing nvidia drivers ...
[10:42] <kl44> hello
[10:43] <jpatrick> !hi | kl44
[10:43] <ubotu> kl44: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:43] <kl44> anybody tried chicken VNC for mac to control remote desktop in Kubuntu?
[10:48] <seb_> !fr
[10:48] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:52] <seb_> well ...
[10:53] <seb_> i got this error :  http://www.pastebin.ca/931794 when i try to boot with the nvidia drivers
[10:53] <seb_> any ideas ?
[11:18] <makdaknife> lo
[11:34] <nyad55> hi could someone help me with compiling my c/c++ program in kubuntu. I am using kate.
[11:34] <nyad55> gcc
[11:35] <nyad55> gcc file.c
[11:35] <nyad55> this makes an out file which won't execute
[11:35] <nyad55> I am lost
[11:36] <Plantain> gcc file.c -o file
[11:36] <Plantain> ./file
[11:38] <anolis> does anyone know anything about CUPS backend scripting?
[11:38] <max_> I need to know the error in my socket client what is the command in C or C++?
[12:01] <PolitikerNEU> hello everyone - does anybody know how to load the "proprietary" intel wlan driver in hardy? Because it isn't loaded by default
[12:03] <ForgeAus> how do I empty cache .deb's once I'm done with installing them??
[12:03] <ForgeAus> (and partial ones)
[12:03] <Jucato> apt-get clean
[12:03] <ForgeAus> they're taking up too much space
[12:04] <ForgeAus> thanx Jucato I think I tried that with kpackage but it didn't do it for some reason
[12:04] <ForgeAus> at least it didn't seem to do anything and when I checked the cache they were still there
[12:05] <Jucato> I'm not familiar with kpackage's UI anymore. but did the command work?
[12:05] <ForgeAus> can't tell you yet too busy running an installer
[12:05] <ForgeAus> but once its don'e I'll try it
[12:06] <ForgeAus> I like kpackage alot :)
[12:06] <PolitikerNEU> But kpackage hasn't automatic dependency resolving, right?
[12:07] <ForgeAus> its got support for most diff package managers (although I only tend to use apt and slackware, but I do the slackware stuff manually)
[12:07] <PolitikerNEU> *got
[12:07] <ForgeAus> um it has some dependancy stuff but I don't think its as good as adepts
[12:07] <Jucato> PolitikerNEU: it has
[12:08] <Jucato> dependency resolving doesn't depend on the GUI but on the backend. both use APT
[12:08] <ForgeAus> both told me that installing Konqueror = broken packages tho
[12:08] <PolitikerNEU> ah, ok
[12:08] <ForgeAus> (one of the dependancies filled in what it needed to install it)
[12:08] <ForgeAus> I don't know why it removed konqui in the first place :(
[12:08] <ForgeAus> but anyway I got it back now so happy about that :)
[12:08] <adnan> hi
[12:08] <ForgeAus> and its 3.5.8 now
[12:08] <Jucato> ForgeAus: perhaps what you used before was autoclean and not clean.
[12:08] <ForgeAus> ahh Jucato with autoclean on does clean not work?
[12:09] <ForgeAus> coz thats probably what I did
[12:09] <Jucato> not familiar with the GUI but there are 2 possibilities: you enabled automatic cleaning of the cache or you chose a menu that ran "apt-get autoclean"
[12:10] <ForgeAus> wow this has lots to go to install stuff, I didn't think it was going to be so slow
[12:10] <Jucato> man apt-get
[12:10] <ForgeAus> yeah I knew there was clean and autoclean and I did set autoclean on it sounded prudent
[12:11] <eddieftw> hey there adnan
[12:16] <spiroo> Does anybody know when Summe of Code will end?
[12:17] <spiroo> Google - Summer of Code
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[12:21] <Jucato> spiroo: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline
[12:23] <eddieftw> hi ActionParsnip
[12:23] <ForgeAus> I wonder what it would take to contrib an AndLinux metapackage
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> hi eddieftw
[12:24] <ForgeAus> its not a full ubuntu backend
[12:24] <ForgeAus> in fact I can't even find kwin in the process list
[12:25] <Jucato> ForgeAus: best place to ask is in their channel/forums :P
[12:25] <ForgeAus> apparently it takes too long to get registered for their forums
[12:26] <Jucato> although the "not a full ubuntu backend" and "can't find kwin in the process list" is kinda unrelated
[12:26] <ForgeAus> well kubuntu's backend is ubuntu too right?
[12:26] <ForgeAus> (at least the non-gnome bits)
[12:26] <JohnFlux> ForgeAus: are you running gnome or kde?
[12:26] <Jucato> so to speak
[12:27] <ForgeAus> John kde
[12:27] <JohnFlux> ForgeAus: are you using compiz?
[12:27] <ForgeAus> no
[12:27] <Jucato> JohnFlux: he was referring to http://www.andlinux.org/
[12:27] <JohnFlux> Jucato: ah okay
[12:27] <ForgeAus> I don't think compiz will work with this
[12:27] <Jucato> I don't think that really qualifies are "running KDE or GNOME" strictly :)
[12:27] <ForgeAus> or at least I wouldn't expect it to
[12:27] <Jucato> you can't expect kwin running on windows either :)
[12:27] <ForgeAus> Jucato the installer I got had a kmenu for my windows system tray
[12:28] <Jucato> hence "strictly"
[12:28] <ForgeAus> hehe I had it working in the nested X-server with Xephyr
[12:28] <ForgeAus> kwin and all
[12:28] <ForgeAus> a full KDE desktop
[12:28] <Jucato> that's different. you're still running KWin in X
[12:28] <ForgeAus> yes
[12:28] <Jucato> I'm talking about your situation with andLinux
[12:28] <ForgeAus> wait whats different about it?
[12:28] <ForgeAus> running kwin on X and running kwin nested in X ?
[12:29] <Jucato> andLinux uses Xming. I don't know if that reuses an X window manager or uses Windows'
[12:30] <ForgeAus> neither, x-ming is the x-server not the wm
[12:30] <Jucato> I know.
[12:31] <ForgeAus> but I don't get why it doesn't run Kwin because it does use KDE decorators (although it doesn't show them unless you tell xming to show the background)
[12:32] <ForgeAus> also Xephyr :n & export DISPLAY=:n ; startkde worked but it shared the same DISPLAY variable, I needed a separate one
[12:32] <ForgeAus> ie a session specific one
[12:33] <Jucato> I have to admit that andLinux is an alien beast and I don't know the inner workings of it.
[12:33] <ForgeAus> hehe Jucato I don't expect you to
[12:33] <Jucato> but anyway, your two statements earlier still dont add up :P
[12:33] <ForgeAus> you know how little about Linux I know :)
[12:33] <ForgeAus> which 2?
 although the "not a full ubuntu backend" and "can't find kwin in the process list" is kinda unrelated
[12:33] <ForgeAus> oh the ubuntu backend thing
[12:34] <ForgeAus> ok well then not a full Kubuntu backend is that happier?
[12:34] <ForgeAus> most of KDE is there (even Kwin is installed, it just doesn't seem to be executed in the default environment)
[12:35] <Jucato> maybe
[12:35] <ForgeAus> but when I killed it for the Xephyr one it caused problems (and wouldn't let me run fkuxbox instead)
[12:35] <ForgeAus> but I didn't get to see the errors on the xterm because I had a window infront of it
[12:35] <ForgeAus> ended up crashing even windows itself lol
[12:36] <ForgeAus> well lotsa apps I had running in windows anyway
[12:36] <ForgeAus> (so I reset)
[12:52] <spiroo> Jucato: thanks
[12:52] <ForgeAus> Jucato the command to clean worked :)
[12:52] <ForgeAus> (ie apt-get clean )
[12:52] <Jucato> :)
[12:52] <ForgeAus> I almost forgot to get back to it :)
[12:53] <Jucato> heh no problem. if it didn't work I'd be perplexed :P
[12:53] <ForgeAus> I think kpacage might have precluded sending the command because I'd set it to use autoclean
[12:54] <ForgeAus> (ie it probably didn't think it needed to manually clean)
[12:54] <spiroo> I was mostly glad of Summer of Code when I saw every beautiful projects people are going to do. One of the most gladly news which I think is that someone actullay is goona code Kopete with MSNP15, which is MSN8.1 protocol :P Just lovely.
[12:56] <spiroo> Krita and Amarok are also gonne get a lift up. Nice nice
[12:57] <dthacker> spiroo: Is that the MS-Office communicator format?
[13:01] <ForgeAus> rofl the andlinux FLTK console shows mc borders as japanese characters :)
[13:02] <ForgeAus> ironically an NT console (same one used for cmd.exe) shows it correctly
[13:06] <sigma_1234> whens the next alpha of hardy due out?
[13:09] <dthacker> test
[13:10] <dthacker> thought the cat pulled the keyboard plug out.
[13:19] <user5> hi there
[13:20] <user5> all is't ok?
[13:20] <user5> hellooo
[13:24] <DexterF> !runlevel
[13:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:27] <Kohlrabi> !ati
[13:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:32] <ahmos> hi,Is there a programme that can catch a hanged process,because when i leave my coputer turned on fro 1 hour with out using it,it not respond but the mouse cursor is moving?!!!!!!
[13:35] <ahmos> helloooooooooo!!
[13:35] <PolitikerNEU> xkill
[13:36] <PolitikerNEU> or: killall <processname>
[13:36] <PolitikerNEU> *killall -s 'KILL' <processname>
[13:36] <ahmos> yes but when it hangs i'm not able to know the process name
[13:37] <dhq> is there any good documentation tool
[13:38] <ibou> is there a way to repair the wi-fi connexion after a crash without rebooting ?
[13:39] <dhq> ibou: what problem are you faicng
[13:39] <dhq> facing
[13:41] <ibou> dhq: i'm downloading with ktorrent and after a while im losing the wifi network and can't reconnect. I'm typing a "sudo modprobe -r ipw3945" in konsole but this command is not executed(the prompt doesn't come back)
[13:44] <ForgeAus> I know I need to start a new development project... a pkgunity tool :)
[13:45] <ForgeAus> something that stores a base of packages that can decypher/work with whatever type of package u throw at it (at least .tgz .rpm ,deb), and integrate it into the system harmoniously
[13:45] <ForgeAus> as long as the dependancies are met of course
[13:45] <storbeck> That would be interesting.
[13:45] <DexterF> [14:35] <ahmos> helloooooooooo!! <- netiquette
[13:46] <DexterF> ah, gone
[13:46] <ForgeAus> storbeck I agree :) of course
[13:47] <ibou_> dhq: sorry my connexion crashed again and i couldn't read your answer
[13:47] <ibou_> dhq: did you answer ?
[13:47] <storbeck> ibou_, Nobody answered you.
[13:48] <k3nji> ibou: are you using NetworkManager? I have the same problem with the ipw2200 module sometimes. I used to just kill NetworkManager and knetworkmanager and restarted them again. that used to help sometimes. But also not always
[13:48] <ibou_> storbeck: and what did Nobody say ? :D
[13:48] <dhq> do you use gdm rite
[13:48] <dhq> ibou_: do you use gnome
[13:49] <ibou_> dhq: i use kde
[13:49] <ibou_> k3nji: yes i use networkman ager
[13:49] <aoupi> hi, how do I use kverbos? it doesn't show any verbs
[13:49] <ibou_> i forgot to say that the only way to reboot is to press the power button 5 seconds...
[13:50] <ibou_> k3nji: i'll try that
[13:50] <storbeck> The reboot option doesn't work?
[13:50] <ibou_> k3nji: thanks
[13:51] <ibou_> storbeck: the computer start to shut down but does not finish
[13:51] <dhq> well then knetworkmanager is ok
[13:51] <dhq> do you get the wireless ap in the list
[13:52] <ibou_> the wireless ap ?
[13:52] <dhq> well the accesspoint
[13:52] <ibou_> which list ?
[13:52] <dhq> essud
[13:52] <dhq> essid
[13:52] <ibou_> yes
[13:53] <k3nji> ibou: easy
[13:53] <ibou_> dhq but i can't connect to it
[13:53] <dhq> ibou_: when you click on that you can connect to the network
[13:53] <ibou_> dhq: no
[13:53] <dhq> what error do you get
[13:54] <ibou_> dhq: can't find "essid"
[13:54] <ibou_> dhq im also trying on my neighbours wifi but it can't find them too
[13:55] <ibou_> so its'coming from my computer
[13:56] <ibou_> i have them in the list but can't find them when i'm trying to connect to them
[13:56] <dhq> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces      use pastebin
[13:56] <ibou_> k3nji: what do you mean by "easy" ?
[13:57] <ibou_> dhq you want me to do that now or when my connexion will crash again ?
[13:57] <dhq> now
[13:59] <noaXess> !3d
[13:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3d - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:59] <ibou_> dhq: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58723/
[13:59] <noaXess> !3d
[13:59] <noaXess> what is the best 3d desktop engine for my nvidia? compiz?
[14:00] <noaXess> or are ther others?
[14:00] <dhq> ibou_: are there any manual configurations on
[14:01] <ibou_> dhq: no there is not
[14:01] <storbeck> noaXess, Compiz, Compiz-fusion, Beryl, Xgl
[14:01] <dhq> ibou_: i am not to sure
[14:01] <noaXess> storbeck: what do you preffer?
[14:01] <storbeck> noaXess, None. :]
[14:02] <dhq> ibou_: maybe someone else can help you
[14:02] <noaXess> ok :)
[14:02] <ibou_> dhq: ok thanks anyway :D
[14:02] <dhq> ibou_: sudo iwlist eth1 scan
[14:03] <ibou_> dhq: Interface doesn't support scanning :s :s
[14:03] <dhq> what is your wireless interface name
[14:03] <ibou_> eth1
[14:04] <ibou_> dhq: oh sorry its eth0
[14:04] <dhq> ibou_: rplace the above command with eth0
[14:04] <storbeck> eh0 is your wireless? O_o
[14:05] <hydrogen> storbeck: err, that response you gave about 3d desktop is pretty wrong
[14:05] <storbeck> hydrogen, How so?
[14:05] <ibou_> dhq: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58727/
[14:05] <dhq> ibou_: so thoses are all your networks
[14:06] <dhq> you can connect manually to them
[14:06] <hydrogen> storbeck: compiz + beryl = compiz fusion, so you are basically recommended three different versions of the same software... all of which provide a compositing window manager... Xgl = A server with compositing extensions, installing xgl without compiz does not give you a 3d desktop
[14:06] <storbeck> compiz != compiz-fusion. beryl != compiz-fusion
[14:07] <storbeck> compiz-fusion = compiz-fusion
[14:07] <hydrogen> err
[14:07] <hydrogen> let me give youa  little history
[14:07] <ibou_> dhq: yes but when i connect manually i noticed that after i can't get back the automatic way with knetworkmanager
[14:07] <storbeck> I know the history.
[14:07] <hydrogen> In the beginning there was compiz, and all was good
[14:07] <Jucato> storbeck: compiz fusion and beryl re-merged and was renamed compiz-fusion
[14:07] <hydrogen> then  beryl forked because they wrote really bad patches and the compiz maintainer didn't accept them
[14:07] <hydrogen> then there was lots of flaming
[14:07] <hydrogen> then they merged again
[14:07] <dhq> ibou_: well you could use konsole to connect to the network
[14:08] <storbeck> hydrogen, Is it still possible to install beryl?
[14:08] <hydrogen> as such, recommending compiz _or_ beryl _or_ compiz-fusion is silly
[14:08] <ibou_> dhq: ok i'll try that
[14:08] <hydrogen> storbeck: maybe on older versions of *buntu/unupdated machines
[14:08] <storbeck> How is that silly?
[14:08] <dhq> ibou_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188
[14:08] <Jucato> storbeck: possible? if you can get your hands on an old, pre-compiz-fusion package/source
[14:08] <hydrogen> storbeck: because that'd be like me recommending someone install kde2.0 or kde3.5
[14:08] <storbeck> Maybe somebody wants Beryl and not Compiz. He was asking about different ones, not which one is the best.
[14:08] <daiana> #kubuntu-es
[14:09] <Jucato> it's like saying "is it still possible to install kde 3.5.0". sure.
[14:09] <thumper> is anyone else having problems with Kopete?
[14:09] <storbeck> He asked about different kinds, I told him.
[14:09] <thumper> Kopete starts up but goes non-repsonsive with nothing added to the ui
[14:09] <ibou_> dhq: thanks
[14:10] <dhq> ibou_: did it work ??
[14:10] <hydrogen> storbeck: no, you told him about different versions
[14:10] <hydrogen> they are the same kind
[14:10] <storbeck> Okay hydrogen
[14:11] <ibou_> dhq: i'll wait for the next crash to try
[14:11] <storbeck> Feel free to help him then.
[14:11] <dhq> ibou_: well ok
[14:11] <hydrogen> "Q:What Desktop Envrionments are availible to install" "A: Well, you can install gnome 2.06, gnome 2.08, gnome 2.10, gnome 2.12, gnome 2.14, gnome 2.16, or gnome 2.18"
[14:11] <dhq> ibou_: all the best :D
[14:11] <ibou_> dhq: thanks for your time
[14:11] <storbeck> hydrogen, You can stop flaming me now, I've lost interest
[14:12] <dhq> ibou_: no problem
[14:12] <hydrogen> storbeck: well, at least you learned something useful today! (I hope)
[14:22] <noaXess> does compiz only has gnome features?
[14:26] <murph> My friend installed kubuntu, but I've never used it. What's the easiest way for him to get / install / enable sshd so i can log in remotely? :)
[14:27] <heath> I ma trying to purge and reinstall alsa... apt wants to remove ubuntu-minimal... is that safe??
[14:27] <heath> murph: apt-get install openssh-server
[14:28] <murph> heath, thanks :) is there a command to then start sshd?
[14:28] <heath> murph: it will do it all for you
[14:29] <murph> score.
[14:29] <heath> just open and point the port from your router
[14:30] <heath> Can anyone help with my alsa problem??
[14:32] <BizMan697> anyone know anything about sshfs? i have a question
[14:32] <heath> BizMan697: I use it
[14:33] <BizMan697> heath, i know u can mount shares so that any computers on your network can use it
[14:33] <BizMan697> but is there a way that if im at work, i can view  a mounted folder a thome
[14:34] <heath> BizMan697: yeah... you need to open the port on your router and point it to what ever pc has sshd running
[14:34] <BizMan697> i would like to be able to acces my movies and music and view them elsewhere
[14:34] <BizMan697> on a non LINUX machine
[14:34] <heath> BizMan697: the port for ssh is 22
[14:34] <heath> BizMan697: you are trying to mount sshfs from a windows machine?
[14:35] <BizMan697> im would want to access a sshfs mount on my linux machine a thome
[14:35] <BizMan697> from a windows machine at work, to watch movies, listen to music etc
[14:35] <BizMan697> i already can securelly ssh into it, vnc through ssh, and even transfer files
[14:35] <BizMan697> but i would like to just open it from this end, and stream it so to speak
[14:35] <heath> BizMan697: I'm not sure if wondows has sshfs support
[14:35] <murph> mmkay, on running apt-get install my friend gets "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." - any ideas?
[14:36] <heath> BizMan697: what you would need is a VPN
[14:36] <BizMan697> :(
[14:36] <stdin> muibe: get them to run the command it says, with sudo
[14:36] <BizMan697> what can i do iwth a vpn, tha ti cant on ssh
[14:36] <heath> BizMan697: then on the linux box set up samba
[14:36] <BizMan697> its setup already
[14:37] <ForgeAus> is there a libapt-pkg-libc6.4-6-3.53 for kubuntu gutsy?
[14:38]  * Jucato points ForgeAus to http://packages.ubuntu.com :)
[14:38] <BizMan697> heath, what else would i need to do
[14:38] <heath> BizMan697: one sec...
[14:38] <ForgeAus> the cnr client needs it
[14:39] <stdin> you need to forward ports 139 and 445 (TCP), but make sure you have some security on
[14:39] <Jucato> ForgeAus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libapt-pkg-lib&mode=filename&suite=gutsy&arch=any
[14:41] <ForgeAus> ahh I'm going to have to check if apt and/or aptitude is up to date I think
[14:41] <ForgeAus> thats prolly why
[14:42] <heath> BizMan697: A vpn gets you in to your network... then you can run anything you want from there
[14:44] <BizMan697> ok, where do u recommend i start
[14:44] <heath> Do you know if your router at home provides VPN?
[14:45] <BizMan697> yes, i believe it does
[14:46] <heath> BizMan697: Then you should be able to setup some PPTP connections to the router from the Web interface... i
   try ssh tunneling: http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/winhelp/32/Tunneling_Explained.html
[14:48] <BizMan697> i am already setup for ssh
[14:49] <makdaknife> yes... that's why I suggested tunneling... it allows you to tunnel protocols through ssh without having to go through the hassle of setting up a VPN
[14:50] <BizMan697> yeah but how can i watch movies from my work/home through ssh?
[14:51] <BizMan697> and on windows, from my linux box
[14:51] <heath> BizMan697: both will work, but if your router allows you to make users then It's very simple
[14:52] <BizMan697> ok well since i have ssh setup arleady, can u gudie me in watching movies from work (windows), from my home machine (ubuntu)
[14:56] <BizMan697> heath or mackdaknife any suggestions?
[14:58] <makdaknife> from what you're trying to achieve, it may make sense just to set up a webdav repository on your linux box and then access that over https
[14:58] <makdaknife> windows works well with webdav. as does linux
[14:59] <heath> unless you have vista
[14:59] <heath> BizMan697: what files are you trying to stream??
[15:00] <makdaknife> hah... if you have vista... don't try to achieve anything!
[15:00] <heath> lol... the truth
[15:03] <heath> BizMan697: I set one of my customers up with Jinzora and he loves it... it may be your solution
[15:03] <heath> http://en.jinzoa.com
[15:04] <heath> zimon: what up
[15:05] <heath> zimon: i need to purge alsa and apt wants to remove ubuntu-minimal... is that safe?
[15:05] <zimon> heath: fine, thanks .. why do you need to purge alsa?
[15:06] <heath> zimon: I recompiled the kernel and added the Intel HD support that I needed now I need alsa to see it
[15:07] <zimon> heath: i don't understand .. is the module loaded?
[15:09] <heath> zimon: I think so... but on a forum I found someone with the same computer and they had to purge alsa and reinstall for it to work
[15:09] <zimon> heath: reinstall from source?
[15:10] <heath> zimon: no... just purge then apt-get install
[15:10] <heath> BizMan697: did you check out jinzora??
[15:11] <zimon> heath: then dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base and alsa-utils should do the same
[15:11] <heath> zimon: cool... I give that a shot
[15:12] <heath> zimon: you are the man
[15:13] <heath> zimon: now how do I get kmix to see it... alsamixer see it fine
[15:15] <zimon> heath: maybe you just need to restart kmix or kde .. i don't know
[15:16] <zimon> heath: or dpkg-reconfigure kmix ..
[15:17] <Aranel> how can I find my (hd0,0) (hd1..) etc. for GRUB ?
[15:18] <Aranel> i dont know partition numbers.
[15:18] <jhutchins_wk> Aranel: What do you know?
[15:18] <heath> zimon: thanks for the help once again... kubuntu should pay you for this stuff...
[15:19] <Aranel> I need to reinstall GRUB,i dont know anything about hdds. i have an SATA and IDE, i only know it.
[15:19] <Aranel> and I know IDE is (hd0) .
[15:19] <heath> grub only uses hd
[15:20] <zimon> zimon: i don't think so ... else i'm expected to know everything ;-)
[15:20] <zimon> doh.
[15:20] <stdin>  /gutsy/boot/grub/device.map has the hd? numbers, and the partition numbers are the same as shown by "sudo fdisk -l" minus 1
[15:21] <ubuntu_> ciao
[15:22] <ubuntu_> i l y qualk italien?
[15:22] <ubuntu_> fuck you
[15:24] <ubuntu__> i l y qualk italien?
[15:24] <ubuntu__> there are some italy?
[15:24] <ubuntu__> ci sta alcun italliano?
[15:24] <BizMan697> io parlo italiano
[15:24] <stdin> !it | ubuntu__
[15:24] <ubotu> ubuntu__: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[15:24] <BizMan697> pero abiito in america
[15:25] <jpatrick> stdin: same guy again?
[15:25] <ubuntu__> hi
[15:26] <stdin> jpatrick: yep, similar IP too
[15:26]  * genii sips a coffee
[15:26] <ubuntu__> onnete a internet con linux con il modem PCI?
[15:26] <jpatrick> !it > ubuntu__
[15:26] <Jucato> ubuntu__: English only in here
[15:27] <jpatrick> !en | Jucato, ubuntu__
[15:27] <ubotu> Jucato, ubuntu__: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[15:27] <Jucato> jpatrick: hm?
[15:27] <jpatrick> Jucato: long live that factoid
[15:28] <Jucato> hm.. ok... :)
[15:28] <ubuntu__> please you tell me the italian channel?
[15:28] <hydrogen> !it | ubuntu__
[15:28] <ubotu> ubuntu__: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[15:28] <hydrogen> Grazie!
[15:28] <stdin> ubuntu__:  /join #ubuntu-it
[15:29] <joseph> what is the file folder where the Trash stores files?
[15:29] <Idrogeno> I for one support my italian brethren
[15:29] <Idrogeno> trash:/
[15:29] <ubuntu__> scusate se parlo in italiano ma come si cambia il nick
[15:29] <Idrogeno> or ~/.Trash/
[15:29] <jamadagni_> hello
[15:29] <joseph> there is no ~/.Trash
[15:29] <ubuntu__> ~/.Trash
[15:30] <stdin> ~/.local/share/Trash
[15:30] <ubuntu__> fuck you
[15:30] <joseph> thanks
[15:30] <Idrogeno> treres a ~/.Trash here
[15:30] <Idrogeno> so speak for yoself
[15:30] <stdin> for you maybe
[15:31] <jpatrick> root_: are we rooted now?
[15:31] <Jucato> ~/.local/share/Trash is the direct xdg location
[15:31] <joseph> Jucato: thank you
[15:31] <jamadagni_> anyone know about skim
[15:31] <jamadagni_> please
[15:31] <Jucato> I think GNOME implements it in ~/.Trash by default (and sometimes KDE for some drives/removable media iirc)
[15:32] <Idrogenogone> I think kde used to
[15:32] <Idrogenogone> back before xdg became the cool thing to do
[15:32] <jamadagni_> i have problems in getting keyboards to work on skim
[15:32] <jamadagni_> don't want to go to gnome forthat
[15:32] <jamadagni_> can anyone please help
[15:33] <jamadagni_> need to use custom-made keyboard tables for indic script
[15:36] <day>  need to use custom-made keyboard tables for indic script
[15:37] <jamadagni_> i have made
[15:37] <jamadagni_> custom table
[15:38] <jamadagni_> i have also compiled using scim-make-table
[15:38] <jamadagni_> and moved to /usr/share/scim/tables
[15:38] <jamadagni_> but while right clicking or left-clicking on skim tray icon i am not getting any list of kbds
[15:39] <mikademus> I'm very sorry to say I'm getting fed up. I have been spending over a week not, several hours every day, trying to get a stable and up to date Linux system up, and though I have been a M$ detractor for two decades, I'm thinking of switching and becoming a fanboi
[15:40] <jamadagni_> hoi mikademus what's the problem
[15:40] <jamadagni_> @mikademus: if you state the prob clearly you can get solutions
[15:40] <mikademus> I have tried over 12 distro flavours, I have compiled my own kernels, I have done everything, but I can't get a stable system. And now I'm trying Kub8.04a6, and on three different installs it has broken in three different ways
[15:41] <ForgeAus> mikademus, perhaps you went the wrong way about it if it took you a week?
[15:41] <ForgeAus> mika, first of all whats your definition of stable?
[15:41] <mikademus> Booting. Not conflicting at every single thing I try to do.
[15:42] <ForgeAus> secondly something like feisty or gutsy would be more likely stable than an alpha of 8.04
[15:42] <jamadagni_> yeah @mikademus; don't try alphas
[15:42] <jamadagni_> gutsy is very stable
[15:42] <ForgeAus> thirdly what kinda ways do you break it?
[15:42] <jamadagni_> @day: can you help me with skim
[15:42] <mikademus> I'm a techie, I have programmed computers for 25 years... And I *WANT* Linux. I hate WIndows. But finally my enthusiasm is getting worn too thin :(
[15:42] <ForgeAus> mika you odn' tneed enthusiasm
[15:43] <jamadagni_> @mikademus: ok but don't use alphas just because you are a techie
[15:43] <jamadagni_> have you really tried gutsy
[15:43] <mikademus> Well, the firtst distro I tried was 7.10. It especially was prone to errors when trying proprietary drivers.
[15:43] <ForgeAus> also note solutions aren't always easy
[15:43] <ForgeAus> yes well proprietary drivers can be problematic
[15:43] <ForgeAus> thats not 7.10's fault
[15:43] <ForgeAus> of course you can use the opensource drivers
[15:44] <ForgeAus> !ati
[15:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:44] <ForgeAus> that should work
[15:44] <day> Sistema>Prefrencia>Sesiones
[15:44] <ForgeAus> ok what else?
[15:44] <mikademus> Basically, I want a system with 2.6.24 to support my Ergonomic 4000 keyboard. Then I want KDE 3.6.8\9 (I think those are the latest non\4 versions?), and I want WINE to try to move as much from windows over as possible. I want Compiz or Metisse, but there's where most problems rise, I think.
[15:45] <mikademus> (reading link)
[15:45] <ForgeAus> um mikademus I'm detecting an issue here
[15:46] <mikademus> please tell me
[15:46] <ForgeAus> you want a current 3.5.8/9?... and you want compiz and you want this and you want that?
[15:46] <mikademus> I just listed my wishes
[15:46] <mikademus> I'm a newb in LInux, though a long time supporter
[15:46] <ForgeAus> well first of all I tried metisse and it really slowed down my system it was nice fx tho (built into mandriva)
[15:47] <ForgeAus> I'd suggest going for compiz (you don't even need that with kde4 if you want that instead because kwin has good effects)
[15:47] <ForgeAus> but its a sound decision to go 3.5.x
[15:47] <ForgeAus> so what video card do you have firstly?
[15:47] <Jucato> mikademus: 1. Keyboard depends on the drivers available. 2. KDE 3.5.9 is available in Gutsy (and will be the default in Hardy). 3. WINE doesn't run all Windows apps. 4. see the !compiz factoid for compiz (Metisse is practically dead).
[15:47] <mikademus> As for ATI drivers, perhaps this might be an a6 bug? Doday I've installed it two times from scratch. First time it hadn't installed prop ATI drivers, but failed on installing them. Second install it HAD installed them by default byt they "weren't in use"
[15:48] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[15:48] <ForgeAus> hmmm mikademus don't use a6
[15:48] <mikademus> No, I know WINE doesn't run everything. THat's part of what I want to try out. But I haven't gotten that fdar yet :(
[15:48] <ForgeAus> stick with a release
[15:48] <Jucato> !appdb | mikademus
[15:48] <mikademus> I guess. But then no 2.6.24
[15:48] <ubotu> mikademus: The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org
[15:48] <ForgeAus> yes well WINE is good in some ways bad in others, you'd be better to use something like vmware-server instead of wine
[15:49] <ForgeAus> mikademus I'd suggest using the repo's ATI drivers instead of ATI's own ones
[15:49] <jamadagni_> hello can anyone help with my skim problem?
[15:49] <mikademus> Aye, virtualisation, but then I'm still not free from Windows. Of course I am not naive enough to think that Wine will run everything, I just hope I can move enough of my environment over that I'll have less and less reason to boot into XP
[15:50] <ForgeAus> it takes a few steps to install them... thats all
[15:50] <ForgeAus> well just don't expect much from wine thats all
[15:50] <ForgeAus> especially from anything that requires DirectX
[15:51] <ForgeAus> (theres non-free versions of wine like crossover office and cedega which are mostly for Microsoft Office and DirectX respectively)
[15:52] <erol> slm
[15:52] <mikademus> Well, Wine isn't my reason for coming here, crying... I haven't even gotten to that yet. As I said, 15 distros later and the only one that works stable and detects my graphic hardware flawlessly is CentOS, and they are the most conservative distro around, and will stay on 2.6.18 for at least a year (=no keyboard). I like Kubuntu, but even the 7.10 acted up alot, especiually when updating the system
[15:53] <ForgeAus> mika.. I tihnk your going to have to learn to settle for some stuff...
[15:53] <mikademus> Even with no development repos enabled, updating generally sank the system to where it didn't even boot. Which for me meant reinstall from DVD.
[15:53] <ForgeAus> I don't know much about CentOS or any rpm distros for that matter (aside from metisse under mandriva)
[15:54] <BluesKaj> mikademus, picky , picky   :)
[15:54] <ForgeAus> mika, it doesn't sound like something linux should be doing (ie sinking your system)
[15:54] <mikademus> Hehe, perhaps I am, I actualloy wouldn't know. I'm utterly new to the non-idealistic side of Linux
[15:54] <ForgeAus> your not overloading your HDD or RAM are you?
[15:55] <ForgeAus> personally I find it odd you think its idealistic
[15:55] <ForgeAus> I come into linux expecting very little and was actually suprised pleasently by what I got
[15:55] <zimon> mikademus: CentOS is an enterprise distribution, so of course it uses older, but more stable software. if you want that from kubuntu, use dapper
[15:55] <mikademus> Nope, C2D E6600 vanilla system with ATI X800 gfx. Stable and conventional config.
[15:56] <mikademus> Well, no, I don't expect enterprise stability. But the stable 7.10 Kubunto was actually less stable for me than Fedora C8, and on pair with their Core9 alpha.
[15:56] <ForgeAus> mika you have to realize your particular brand of video card (I have an ATI Radeon myself so I'm in the same boat) is not as easy to install as most under Linux
[15:57] <mikademus> ForgeAus: ok, I have heard stories about poor Linux support from ATI
[15:57] <BizMan697> try ebvy
[15:57] <ForgeAus> 7.10 should be fine...
[15:57] <BizMan697> envy
[15:57] <ForgeAus> bizman you mean edgy?
[15:57] <BizMan697> works great at getting the proper drivers and editing your xorg.conf file
[15:58] <mikademus> ForgeAus: So you think that the gfx might be at the source of the instabilities?
[15:58] <ForgeAus> mika if you follow the url I sent you earlier you should be fine
[15:58] <ForgeAus> !ati
[15:58] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:58] <mikademus> BizMan697: envy, forgive my ignorance, that is a config utuility for the X server?
[15:58] <ForgeAus> mika I think thats one likely problem you have
[15:58] <ForgeAus> as for the rest I don't know
[15:58] <ForgeAus> there is an aticonfig util I got from somewhere
[15:59] <mikademus> Again, I'm sorry to come into the channel and vry like a little girl, but my frustration has really been mounting the last days...
[15:59] <ForgeAus> hehe I know what frustration is like
[15:59] <ForgeAus> we all get it
[16:00] <ForgeAus> from time to time
[16:00] <mikademus> As for the aticonfig utility, that one failed with some error when running "aticonfig --initial", after installing the dirvers from ATI's support page (a complete reinstall ago)
[16:00] <ForgeAus> but I kinda get the sense that you've been approaching this all wrong... this channel has excellent support for kubuntu
[16:01] <ForgeAus> it shouldn't take you a week... only the d/l of the .iso and some config and you should have a relatively stable system
[16:01] <mikademus> ForgeAus: but you know, that really means that no matter how much I wish it, Linux isn't ready to take on the mainstream desktop competition yet... :(
[16:01] <ForgeAus> (either kde 3.5.x - with optional compiz and/or kde4)
[16:02] <ForgeAus> mikademus look when I first got into kubuntu I was shocked I got a liveCD that I could browse from before I'd even installed it to a hard drive
[16:02] <ForgeAus> I installed it and it worked
[16:02] <ForgeAus> sure I broke it because I was trying to do stuff it wasn't made to do, but I learnt alot from it
[16:02] <ForgeAus> and now I'm pretty much happy with the platform...
[16:03] <mikademus> Heh, yeah, that's what I too thought. I started with Xubuntu because I thought I wanted power over flash. But I simply didn't like Xfce, so I went to Kubuntu, and liked it very much. But I had terrible difficlutes with gfx-related stability (twio separate installs, and my system was killed from installing proprietary drivers the first time, and updating the system the second)
[16:03] <ForgeAus> well I don't blame you with the XFCE thing to me its like a gnome-lite almost
[16:03] <mikademus> Aye, I understand what you mean and agree
[16:04] <ForgeAus> mika yes well expect the gfx to take some work but keep a level head and follow the faq through and it should be ok
[16:04] <makdaknife> there are two approaches to reviewing desktop operating systems... one is to say X operating system is not ready for the mainstream desktop, and the other is to say, I'm not really able to get X operating system working the way I want to and probably need to learn more about it
[16:04] <ForgeAus> and if you have problems you can always come back here and ask :)
[16:05] <ForgeAus> anyway I hope I've eased your issues some... I wish you good luck
[16:06] <ForgeAus> makda it mostly depends on individual experience I think
[16:06] <mikademus> Thanx for that, but seriously, jost got to ask: you think my expectations are too high? I want support for my keyboard, I want a slick desktoip experience with some nice bling working on my video board. And I am technically proficient --I did manage to make my own kernel on my second day of testing Linux.
[16:06] <ForgeAus> the ATI thing is unfortunate with many distros
[16:07] <ForgeAus> mika the slick desktop experience? hmmm I am used to WindowsXP its no slicker or less slick than Edgy/Feisty/Gutsy imho... I'm happy with either
[16:07] <ForgeAus> as for your keyboard support is it a conventional keyboard most work with standard 104 is it? drivers
[16:08] <ForgeAus> if you have a custom keyboard you may need custom software to work with it? I don't even know if software for it is available...
[16:09] <BizMan697> anyway you can change the default ports for apache (they are 80 and 443)
[16:09] <ForgeAus> as for your percieved technical proficiency I can believe you have some but remember your in the same breath saying your a linux newbie mostly... and the two are functionally incompatible to some degree...
[16:09] <mikademus> It is a quite unconventional keyboard. It is a jap-extended 109-key board. It is detected with the 2.6.24 kernel, but mandriva had out-of-the-virtuabox-support for it, and it uses an older kernel
[16:09] <ForgeAus> so don't expect things to work right off the bat...
[16:10] <zimon> mikademus: it's not a big deal to build a 2.6.24 package for ubuntu
[16:10] <ForgeAus> um well I can't really help you with the keyboard thing...
[16:10] <mikademus> Aye, I do not expect to be a linux wizard because I have a tech head, my point was rather that I'm not scared by being thrown into the tecnical side of things
[16:10] <mikademus> zimon: ok, that sounds pleasant. Was that the make-kpkg thing you told me about previsouly
[16:10] <mikademus> ?
[16:11] <zimon> mikademus: yes
[16:11] <ForgeAus> hehe mika I'm not scared of dropping you there if thats what you mean but actually I find things in kubuntu generally don't require that.... :)
[16:11] <BizMan697> anyway we can change the defualt ports in apache?
[16:11] <ForgeAus> the thing that scares me the most about linux is compiling software! its still too many bits that can go wrong for me
[16:12] <ForgeAus> and I consider myself in the windows world a power user and I'm learning alot about linux for around about a year or so now
[16:12] <ForgeAus> but I have a long way to go
[16:12] <mikademus> ForgeAus: well, actually sounds quite similar to my situation, then
[16:12] <Dr_Willis> Given all the bits ive seen go wrong with windows.. :)  Ill stick with linux.
[16:12] <isaac_> hey, when i installed the proprietary driver of nvidia geforce4 X wont start
[16:12] <Dr_Willis> but we wont start that rant right now. :)
[16:13] <ForgeAus> (mika if all else fails you can always install AndLinux in your WindowsXP and toy with it hehe)
[16:13] <ForgeAus> isaac don't use the proprietary driver use this one
[16:13] <ForgeAus> !nvidia
[16:13] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[16:14] <mikademus> ForgeAus: the thing that really frustrates me is that when something is messed up (usually from what should be standard operations, like "yum update system" (on fedora), as an example, but also on *ubuntu), the system is basically fried for me and I need to rinstall
[16:14] <ForgeAus> DrWillis like what bits? sorry I'm an equal opportunity OS enthusiast :)
[16:14] <ForgeAus> well unless that OS is an RPM based distro rofl
[16:15] <ForgeAus> mika you think theres no recovery from package conflicts?
[16:15] <ForgeAus> is that what your trying to say?
[16:15] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  You want to know the total disaster i had with a bluetooth dongle under windows  :) i had to  let windows strt the 'found new hardware' but let it start the dongles own setup.exe.. BUT then i had to tell the setup exe the path to the windows drivers in part..  for some parts.. and other parts had to be off the dongles cd. :)
[16:15] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  Of course i have other stories..but thats one thats most recent.
[16:15] <stond> can some one tell me how to change the icon of my PSP when I plug it in the icon that it shows is a ipod but I want to change it to an icon that i downloaded and no matter what i do it will not change from that stupid ipod  icon
[16:16] <isaac_> ForgeAus: yeah i used that driver
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> Its sad that bluetooth has been so.. slow in getting adopted.
[16:16] <ForgeAus> DrWillis I have a bluetooth dongle all I did was install the driver from the CD and enable it in the control panel... simple...
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  Yep. thats how it was supposed to work...
[16:16] <ForgeAus> perhaps you got an overly nasty peice of hardware?
[16:17] <mikademus> ForgeAus: I don't know what I am trying to say. Guess why I'm frustrated? :p
[16:17] <ForgeAus> the thing that confuses me most is you saying that it starts the dongles own setup.exe and the dongle itself isn't even installed yet.. thats odd...
[16:17] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  But windows said it was compatiable, and installed their own drivers..  which dident work.., dongles drivers.. also.. dident work. :) i had to  mixx the 2..  I ended up just using the dngle on my linux box. It works fine there.
[16:18] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  Lets just say i am not buying any hardware from that company any more. :0
[16:18] <ForgeAus> hehe sounds prudent
[16:18] <mikademus> Bah, how come that atp-get returns error due to other process using it when none does?
[16:18]  * mikademus sighs
[16:18] <ForgeAus> mika another problem is your doing this alone...
[16:18] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  right. the 'fix' was to use parts of MS drivers.. and the custome dongles drivers..  Now WHY the dongle even needed its own drivers is a good question.
[16:18] <ForgeAus> it helps to have some help
[16:19] <ForgeAus> you don't have to feel so frustrated when you have someone with you who knows something about what's going on
[16:19] <mikademus> Aye, and the cat I'm waiting for isn't old enough to be delivered yet. She could have helped me otherwise
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  then i had the usb printer that under windows - when  i printed a test page.. powerd off the machine instantly.. How do you even Begin to trouble shoot that. :)
[16:19] <ForgeAus> hehe mika you didn't at first learn windows all by yourself did you?
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> but im heading to ZZZzzz... land..
[16:19] <ForgeAus> you would have used it, say at school or work or with family ...
[16:20] <mikademus> ForgeAus: will you be my friend? *puppy eyes* Come here and help and I'll make coffe and crumpets lol
[16:20] <ForgeAus> thats why the people here as a support base is a good thing
[16:20] <ForgeAus> when something goes wrong you can come running to ask questions
[16:20] <ForgeAus> (it might not turn out as bad as it looked)
[16:21] <mikademus> ok, so how do I see if there is a rogue atp-get process running, and how do I massacre it?
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> Linux is well documented. :) Of course finding time to read.. can be an issue.
[16:21] <ForgeAus> anyway... I generally consider people a friend by default unless they do something significant to change that view...
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> ps ax | grep apt
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> then kill the pid if needed.
[16:21] <mikademus> thanks
[16:21] <ForgeAus> a rogue apt-get?... why would there be one of them?
[16:21] <Jucato> !aptfix
[16:21] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[16:22] <ForgeAus> mika first of all your not using osmething like easyubuntu or automatix(1 or 2)  are you?
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> heh - do you answer the Q they asked.. or give them the answer they proberly really need. :)
[16:23] <ForgeAus> (they're a kinda "works for me" thing, but they've been known to royally screw with many an ubuntu system)
[16:23] <mikademus> ForgeAus: no, I'm currently on the 8.04a6
[16:23] <ForgeAus> hehe DrWillis me?
[16:24] <joseph> does dolphin have support for mouse gestures?
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  :) welcome to #kubuntu, here is your Miss Cleo Hat of ESP.
[16:24]  * ForgeAus shrugs joseph I would have thought so but I don't know for sure
[16:24] <mikademus> Ubuto's advice worked for regaining control over atp-get
[16:24]  * ForgeAus shrugs some more.. and puts the hat aside... 
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> mikademus,  you dident have  a rogue process runnign then. :) you had one that died.
[16:24] <ForgeAus> I don't believe in ESP
[16:25] <Jucato> !thanks | mikademus
[16:25] <ubotu> mikademus: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> ForgeAus,  do you Belive in ESPN?
[16:25] <mikademus> Oh, dearest Ubuto, you will always be my Eliza!
[16:25] <Jucato> O.o
[16:25] <ForgeAus> hehe well I don't get that channel but yes I do believe there is one
[16:26] <ForgeAus> romancing the bot?
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> !love
[16:26] <Jucato> joseph: KDE (3.5.9 at the most) has support for mouse gestures globally. that is, it's not limited to a single app. Not sure about KDE 4 though
[16:26] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[16:26]  * Dr_Willis runs to bed to hide from the icd-weasels.
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> Night all
[16:26] <ForgeAus> night DrWillis
[16:26] <ForgeAus> sweet dreamz
[16:26] <Jucato> bye Dr_Willis
[16:26] <joseph> Jucato: mouse gestures do not seem to be native in dolphin.
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> going to sleep and its almost NOON.. :) gotta love 3rd shift!
[16:27] <mikademus> Hmm, to follow the ATI install guide I need to install dpkg-dev, which fails. Is that in a dev repo?
[16:27] <ForgeAus> wait dpkg-dev fails? what error do you get?
[16:27] <Jucato> joseph: there is no "native in <app>" mouse gestures. KDE itself has mouse gestures. look in System Settings -> Accessibility ->Input Actions
[16:28] <joseph> Jucato: thank you.
[16:28] <joseph> the gestures are disabled globally
[16:28] <joseph> hm
[16:28] <mikademus> This command fails "apt-get install dpkg-dev debhelper libstdc++5 dkms", and the error is "Package dpkg-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[16:29] <ForgeAus> ok you might have to check your repos
[16:29] <ForgeAus> it might be a part of universe or multiverse that may not be active in your sources.list
[16:29] <ForgeAus> (the file resides as /etc/apt/sources.list  from memory)
[16:30] <ForgeAus> there are a few ways of changing it
[16:30] <ForgeAus> one is treating it as a text file
[16:30] <Sevis_> Can anyone please help me change the screen resolution on KDE in ubuntu 7.10?
[16:30] <ForgeAus> another is using Adept (ie sudo adept_manager, and then manage repositories in the menu)
[16:30] <Jucato> joseph: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3086781.0
[16:31] <Annirak> So, I was attempting to add myself to the 'root' and 'www-data' groups to make working with some cgi scripts a little easier.  Now, I have lost the ability to sudo.  I know that I need to reboot to recovery mode, but I don't know what to do then.
[16:31] <ForgeAus> there should be a line deb <url here> <distro code> main restricited
[16:31] <ForgeAus> and stuff like that...
[16:31] <joseph> Jucato: thanks
[16:32] <mikademus> All dev repos are eneabled by deafult, except for the backports and official partners
[16:32] <ForgeAus> where its got main and restricted copy a line below that and replace main and restricted with universe and multiverse (whichever of them you don't have)
[16:32] <ForgeAus> ok well <distro code>-backports is another one I often add...
[16:32] <stond> Sevis_ in yooour terminal type sudo apt-get install ps3-utilit then type sudo ps3video -v then make your choice
[16:32] <ForgeAus> well then I don't know why it isn't finding your package...
[16:33] <Sevis_> thanks stond, checking now
[16:33] <mikademus> It seems the breakage might be worse, when running adept_manager I get the error "cannot connect to X server"
[16:33] <ForgeAus> um you could I guess check http://packages.ubuntu.com
[16:33] <ForgeAus> and see what it says
[16:34] <Sevis_> stond, it can't find that package
[16:34] <ForgeAus> mikademus your definitely running kubuntu 8.04a6 ?
[16:34] <mikademus> Absolutely. That, at least, is no doubt about.
[16:34] <ForgeAus> if its ubuntu adept wont be there, if its a live CD then I can't understand how it can't be there
[16:34] <ForgeAus> unless you've removed it
[16:35] <ForgeAus> try apt-get install adept
[16:35] <ForgeAus> (oops sudo first unless your already root)
[16:35] <blendtux> i am looking for a a good openoffice.org advanced calc tutorial, anybody could give me some pointers
[16:35] <mikademus> "already newest version"
[16:35] <ForgeAus> and you typed adept_manager ?
[16:36] <mikademus> Indeed. Error ensues, without accompanying hilarty
[16:36] <stond> Sevis_ try searching for PS3 utilities in your synaptic package manager
[16:36] <mikademus> "No protocol specified, cannot connect to X server"
[16:37] <ForgeAus> wait cannot connect to X server is not because Adept_manager is missing
[16:37] <ForgeAus> its because your X has a problem
[16:37] <Sevis_> no matching applications, stond
[16:37] <ForgeAus> you may need to fix your /etc/x11/xorg.conf file
[16:37] <mikademus> You know I'm runnung a clean install from just when we started this chat? :D
[16:38] <ForgeAus> also if your in the gui (like running it from console) I should have thought of this before...
[16:39] <ForgeAus> its not sudo its kdesu (if that doesn't work kdesudo for KDE4 and some newer kubuntu's) so the line becomes kdesu[do] adept_manager
[16:39] <stond> well then I cant help because i am running kubuntu on my PS3 and that is the package i use to change my video mode and resolution output for tvs and monitors rangeing from stanard 480i up to 1080p
[16:39] <stdin> kdesu is linked to kdesudo, so it'll still work
[16:39] <Sevis_> is there a possibity to edit something manually?
[16:40] <stond> i dont know what type of computer are you using
[16:40] <JKIceman> is there a good alarm clock for kubuntu? becourse i can't find any.
[16:41] <nosrednaekim> kalarm... or karm
[16:41] <Jucato> korganizer (but probably too big)
[16:41] <ForgeAus> if you get the same error you probably need to fix your X11 its not adept_manager thats wrong ... (or if it is thats not all thats wrong)
[16:41] <Sevis_> I think I'll just give up and go back to gnome :)
[16:41] <mikademus> ForgeAus: my x conf file seems... eh... well, what should I look for? The device says "Configured video device", seems a bit sparse to me, but I'm one wet newb
[16:41] <Sevis_> thank you for your help
[16:42] <ForgeAus> um I'm not sure I'm the one to help you with that
[16:42] <mikademus> You think it could be the alpha?
[16:42] <ForgeAus> if you ran through the webpage I sent you earlier it should have helped you with what goes in there
[16:42] <nosrednaekim> mikademus: hey... whats wrong?
[16:42] <ForgeAus> no I don't think its the alpha
[16:42] <stond> can some one tell me how to change the icon of my PSP when I plug it in the icon that it shows is a ipod but I want to change it to an icon that i downloaded and no matter what i do it will not change from that stupid ipod  icon
[16:43] <ForgeAus> um I think theres a line sudo dpkg xserver-xorg reconfigure or something like that to reset your xorg.conf to default
[16:43] <mikademus> nosrednaekim: hiya, good seeing you again :) Well, to sum it up I'm on the 8.06a6 and virtually nothing works. I've been pestering poor ForgeAus for the longest time now
[16:44] <nosrednaekim> mikademus: the channel for hardy (8.04) is #ubuntu+1
[16:44] <mikademus> Why am I not surprised there's a special channel :p
[16:45] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[16:46] <ForgeAus> well at least I was trying to be of assistance
[16:46] <ForgeAus> but of course as we all know I'm very *trying* rofl :)
[16:47] <mikademus> Hey, you were of great help!
[16:47] <ForgeAus> ... sofar
[16:47] <mikademus> But I suspect much of the issues are due to the "alpha" in alpha
[16:47] <ForgeAus> mikademus I doubt it
[16:48] <ForgeAus> at least in this case
[16:49] <nosrednaekim> if its a problem with X, then yes... hardy has lots and lotsa problems with that
[16:50] <mikademus> Well, I just got a very helpful recommendation over at #ubuntu+1: "DON'T RUN HARDY". I guess it sums it up quite well.
[16:50] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[16:50] <joseph> i rather like gutsy
[16:52] <atomicpotato> Hardy? Problems with X? Say what?
[16:52] <atomicpotato> LIES
[16:54] <mikademus> I think it is more statistics than lies. Which of course make it the biggest lie.
[16:57] <BizMan697> anyone know how to change the default ports in apahce (80 and 443)?
[16:58] <emilsedgh> BizMan697: open apache.conf file
[16:58] <BizMan697> in there i can make changes?
[16:58] <emilsedgh> yes
[16:58] <emilsedgh> /etc/apache2/apache.conf
[16:58] <BizMan697> ok i will take a look when i get home, thank you
[16:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[16:59] <mikademus> Anyway, I'm retrying gutsy, if anyone is interested I can get back to you with how that turned out
[17:00] <BizMan697> any reason why it has 2 ports opeN?
[17:00] <MilhousePunkRock> I am trying to set up a vpn connection to my university with kvpnc. I have imported the cisco-pcf but it does not connect... If I open vpnc on a shell and type in the stuff that it wants to know, it connects, but no program with outside connectivity will work. What am I missing
[17:01] <emilsedgh> BizMan697: 443 is for ssl (https)
[17:02] <MilhousePunkRock> Weird, now it does connect... How to use Konqueror now for the connection?
[17:03] <MilhousePunkRock> To be precise: I need the tunnel IP to be my external IP now...
[17:03] <BizMan697> emilsedgh, so should i leave it the same, or there is no problem in using an uncommon port?
[17:04] <emilsedgh> BizMan697: if you use an uncommon port, users will have to add the port to address
[17:04] <BizMan697> even if i portfoward?
[17:04] <BizMan697> on my router
[17:04] <emilsedgh> BizMan697: so if youre hello.com ir 127.0.0.1, you should type: hello.com:44 or 127.0.0.1:44 (if the new port is 44 for example)
[17:04] <emilsedgh> BizMan697: i dunno then
[17:05]  * emilsedgh is so bad in networking
[17:05] <BizMan697> well i guess i can always try it
[17:05] <BizMan697> what im tring to do is get jinzora 2 up and running so i can access it from anywhwere
[17:07] <BizMan697> any expereince with that kind of stuff emil?
[17:08] <emilsedgh> BizMan697: oh, please highlight me, with typing my nickname
[17:08] <emilsedgh> btw, i dont know what is jinzora
[17:09] <BizMan697> im using search irc emilsedgh
[17:09] <BizMan697> no options to highlight
[17:09] <BizMan697> im at work
[17:09] <emilsedgh> BizMan697: when you type 'emilsedgh' in you words, my clients alerts me
[17:09] <emilsedgh> thats highlight
[17:10] <BizMan697> oh sorry 'emilsedgh'
[17:10] <BizMan697> that work
[17:10] <BluesKaj> one can also auto-finish a nick by typing thr first few letters of a nick and hitting the tab key
[17:11] <BizMan697> not on this web based client :)
[17:11] <emilsedgh> oh
[17:11] <emilsedgh> so youre using ircatwork
[17:12] <makdaknife> BizMan697: nice! so you found a solution to your media streaming problem
[17:12] <makdaknife> btw, your portforwarding on your router will work
[17:13] <makdaknife> e.g. on the router set up all traffic to port 80 to be redirected to say port 44 on your linux box
[17:17] <ctx144k> hoi, kannmir mal wer sagen wie nochmal der KDE grafikviewer heist?
[17:17] <ctx144k> wirgentwas mit gview oderso
[17:17] <BluesKaj> !de | ctx144k
[17:17] <ubotu> ctx144k: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[17:17] <nosrednaekim> !de
[17:17] <zimon> ctx144k: gwenview
[17:17] <ctx144k> zimon, merci
[17:18] <ctx144k> upps sorry - i thought i was in the german channel :)
[17:23] <crackhead_25> can anyone helpme print? i have tried everything -- i have a lot of debugging information.. i dont want to copy it all in here and flood... please help!!
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> !patebin
[17:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patebin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[17:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[17:23] <crackhead_25> nosrednaekim: i have paste binned it.. do you know about printers?
[17:23] <coreymon77>  crackhead_25 : wowowowowowow, wait a sec
[17:23] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: slow down here
[17:24] <crackhead_25> coreymon77: do you know about printers?
[17:24] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: whats the matter
[17:24] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: a thing or two
[17:24] <crackhead_25> coreymon77: i upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and now my printer doesnt work
[17:24] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: ill try my best
[17:24] <crackhead_25> it worked fine the other day in feisty
[17:24] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: which printer are we talking here
[17:24] <nosrednaekim> not much.... but if you give me the pastebin I can take a look.
[17:24] <crackhead_25> hp 3550
[17:24] <crackhead_25> adobe ppd.. hpijs.. very simple
[17:24] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: what type is that
[17:24] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: whats the model
[17:24] <crackhead_25> the simplest hp deskjet
[17:24] <crackhead_25> 3550
[17:25] <heath> zimon: I got sound... all I had to do was add me to the sound group
[17:25] <ps3> hey
[17:25] <coreymon77> ah, deskjet
[17:25] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: have you tried re-adding the printer in system prefs
[17:25] <crackhead_25> through which command?
[17:25] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: is this a network printer or local
[17:25] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: it can be done graphically btw
[17:26] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: im taking it the printer is connected locally right?
[17:26] <crackhead_25> local
[17:26] <crackhead_25> usb
[17:26] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: okay
[17:26] <crackhead_25> lsusb shows it.. ?
[17:26] <coreymon77> good
[17:26] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: does it?
[17:26] <crackhead_25> however, the graphical add printer thing doesnt give me the local usb option.. it's grey out
[17:27] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: does lsusb show it?
[17:27] <crackhead_25> yes
[17:28] <BizMan697> how safe is it to leave ports open?
[17:28] <BizMan697> even if they are high numbers
[17:28] <crackhead_25> coreymon77: yes
[17:29] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: give me a sec
[17:29] <ahmos> hi i need to install this package (How?) I've tried the terminal but nothing..!
[17:29] <jpatrick> Bi	as long as you keep your passwd safe, quite safe
[17:29] <ahmos> libgtk2.0-0_2.10.11-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[17:30] <crackhead_25> ahmos: sudo apt-get install
[17:30] <BizMan697> package name dpgk -i
[17:30] <crackhead_25> ahmos: sudo apt-get install pkgname
[17:30] <arunkale> I just started using Vim for programming, and it is SO awesome.
[17:31] <xp_killer> if i up grade to gutsy will it remove beryl from my pc?
[17:31] <ahmos> couldn't find this package...I have a problem with nspluginviewr
[17:31] <arunkale> The only thing that I dislike is the default colours for syntax highlighting in Vim. Is there any place where I can get colour 'schemes'? and if yes, how do i install them?
[17:31] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: have you tried using hps printer program thing
[17:32] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: it uses hplip
[17:32] <crackhead_25> how do i ?
[17:32] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: first thing, check to see if you have hplip installed
[17:33] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install hplip
[17:33] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: put that into console
[17:33] <BizMan697> is it dangerous leaving ports 80 and 443 open
[17:33] <crackhead_25> coreymon77: i have it already. im in the program. ill see if it does anything.
[17:34] <coreymon77> BizMan697: youre on linux now, youre most likely not gonna get hacked
[17:34] <BizMan697> just making sure cause i want to create a media server, and i hate leaving low number poirts open
[17:34] <coreymon77> BizMan697: but, as a general rule, dont leave ports open unless you need to for a specific reason
[17:34] <BizMan697> for ssh i have real high numbers
[17:34] <coreymon77> BizMan697: if you need to open ports for a reason, then do so, you'll be fine
[17:34] <BizMan697> i need to get in through web pages, to access the media server page to view mp3 nad video
[17:35] <llutz> BizMan697: just make sure your listening services are well configured
[17:35] <BizMan697> my concern is if i open it on the router, its open on all pc's including windows is it not?
[17:35] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: that program might work better than kdes default
[17:35] <coreymon77> BizMan697: not if you only open it for your ip address
[17:35] <llutz> BizMan697: who told you so? thats wrong
[17:36] <arunkale> what does mkdir -p do
[17:36] <BizMan697> no one, im assuming
[17:36] <BizMan697> cause i have to open the port
[17:36] <coreymon77> BizMan697: ports can only be opened for specific ips, you can set the port to be open only for your ip, meaning only your computer
[17:36] <BizMan697> then port foward it
[17:36] <BizMan697> oh ok
[17:36] <BizMan697> ur right
[17:36] <llutz> arunkale: -p : no error if existing, make parent directories as needed
[17:36] <coreymon77> BizMan697: port forwarding opens the port for you
[17:36] <BizMan697> how do i set the listening services as u said before
[17:36] <coreymon77> BizMan697: and for you alone
[17:36] <ahmos> nspluginviewer eats 100% of cpu and makes xserver hangs ,any ideas?
[17:37] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: any luck?
[17:37] <BizMan697> port fowarding doesnt open the port to my knowledge, i coudnt vnc into my machine without opening it
[17:37] <BizMan697> portfowarding alone idndt work
[17:38] <llutz> BizMan697: read some basics about networking/services etc.
[17:38] <coreymon77> BizMan697: prot forwarding opens the port for your ip alone
[17:38] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: it remains closed for everyone else
[17:38] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: whoops, sorry, wrong highlight
[17:39] <crackhead_25> coreymon77: it went through the printing process but no ink came out.. i know the cartridges are full though
[17:39] <llutz> BizMan697: a port is open only if you run a listening service on it
[17:39] <coreymon77> BizMan697: that was meant for you
[17:39] <crackhead_25> coreymon77: it did more than it did before.. it recognized and instaleld.. but now it goes through the printing process and no ink comes out.. that's progress, but not success yet..
[17:39] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: but it detected the printer
[17:39] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: well, thats atleast better off than we were before
[17:39] <BizMan697> so how do i set listening service?
[17:39] <llutz> BizMan697: start it
[17:40] <BizMan697> and i can do that by?
[17:41] <llutz> BizMan697: you need a service like http/ssh/telnet/ftp? so install the daemon/server, configure it to your needs, start it and be happy
[17:41] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: im sorry, but the bell is going to ring soon and i have to get back to class, atleast now the printer is detected, keep playing around and ask someone else for help
[17:41] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: im sorry, but i have to go
[17:41] <crackhead_25> coreymon77: you be back later tonight?
[17:41] <coreymon77> probably
[17:41] <crackhead_25> coreymon77: could i email you later?
[17:42] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: if you need me ill come on when i get home
[17:42] <BizMan697> well ive done that already
[17:42] <BizMan697> so they are already started then
[17:42] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: i should get home at around 3:15 to 3:30 eastern time
[17:42] <crackhead_25> coreymon77: k, im signed in always here.. msg me whenever youre back.. thank you for trying..
[17:42] <llutz> BizMan697: so they "opened" a port, they're listening on. No service listening = no open port
[17:43] <coreymon77> ill be back later
[17:43] <coreymon77> bye
[17:43] <BizMan697> k got it
[17:43] <BizMan697> thanks
[17:43] <Unterfranke> hi
[17:44] <Unterfranke> cu
[17:45] <makdaknife> BizMan697: go to a terminal and type: netstat -l
[17:45] <makdaknife> this will tell you which ports your computer is listening on
[17:45] <makdaknife> ideally do: netstat -ln|grep ^tcp
[17:46] <llutz> netstat -anp --ip
[17:46] <makdaknife> this will tell you the port number as well
[17:46] <arunkale> ok, in vim, if i split the window using :new, how do i un-split it?
[17:47] <makdaknife> nice llutz... didn't know about the --ip switch
[17:47] <arunkale> never mind
[17:47] <llutz> i dislike grep if not needed ;)
[17:48] <makdaknife> i live for grep :-P
[17:49] <makdaknife> grep is the lazy person's man
[17:59] <Tom47> i changed a keyboard seting such that the same key cannot be deptressed sooner than 500ms and cannot relocate where i did this .
[18:01] <Tom47> i changed a keyboard setting such that the same key cannot be depressed sooner than 500ms and need help to relocate where i did this .
[18:02] <makdaknife> Tom47:  KDE3-> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse
[18:02] <kaminix> Hmm.... my Kaffeine can't play videos anymore.
[18:02] <makdaknife> kaminix: :-( what engine is it using?
[18:03] <kaminix> Well, an update a while ago removed kaffeine-xine, but the app says it's still using it.
[18:03] <kaminix> Trying a downgrade now. It's the first time I've restarted my laptop since the update which removed kaffeine-xine
[18:03] <mikademus> ForgeAus: Hiya again, you interested in the continuing adventures of Captain Frustration?
[18:03] <Tom47> makdaknife: i have been looking there but cannot see the exact option to reset ... any ideas
[18:04] <makdaknife> :-(
[18:04] <kaminix> Still not working makdaknife :/
[18:04] <makdaknife> kaminix: did you use apt-get to upgrade? I switched to aptitude... its a little safer
[18:04] <kaminix> I use aptitude too.
[18:05] <kaminix> Hmm... might know the cause. I removed KDM for KDE 4 and I think it was set as the active one.
[18:05] <kaminix> Trying a restart of X
[18:06] <makdaknife> hmmm kaminiz... I'm using kde4 and no problems
[18:06] <makdaknife> kdm shouldn't cause a problem with kaffeine
[18:06] <makdaknife> Tom47: Enable Keyboard Repeat, set the delay option
[18:10] <ubuntu_> hello!
[18:10] <tekteen> hi
[18:10] <makdaknife> hi
[18:10] <mikademus> hullu
[18:10] <mikademus> ForgeAus: Thanks for trying to keep me on Linux. I have just installed gutsy for the second time since out last exchange. I'm getting very, very tired. I installed gutsy, ran system update, there was some error and crash during system update, grub was fucked up, I was reinstalling again. If this failes again I will officially join the dark side and become a Windows fanboi.
[18:10] <ubuntu_> Nice irc client!!
[18:11] <Tom47> makdaknife: sorry but thats not the one . that deals with repeating a keystroke by keping a key depresed .
[18:11] <stdin> !language | mikademus
[18:11] <ubotu> mikademus: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:11] <ubuntu_> no no no dont do it!
[18:11] <Tom47> makdaknife: my problem now is with typing double leters
[18:11] <ubuntu_> Kubuntu rox!
[18:12] <ubuntu_> that is easily fixed... try adding: clock=pit or clocksource=pit to the kernel line...
[18:12] <makdaknife> Tom47:  sorry I'm not sure which setting you're referring to then
[18:12] <ubuntu_> are u in Virtual pc??
[18:13] <ubuntu_> I had double letters in many Linus when in Virtual PC...
[18:13] <ubuntu_> linux
[18:14] <Tom47> makdaknife: ok ... thanks anyway
[18:14] <ubuntu_> ok sorry...
[18:14] <makdaknife> Tom47: hmmm not accessibility: keyboard... use slow keys?
[18:15] <ubuntu_> yes, or sticky??
[18:18] <Tom47> makdaknife: ty ty ty .... i reset defaults and now have what i wanted .... great
[18:18] <makdaknife> :-)
[18:18] <joseph> i was doing an upgrade and it says postfix has been "kept back".  what does that mean?
[18:18] <makdaknife> Tom47: glad I could help
[18:19] <Tom47> makdaknife: was driving me insane
[18:21] <kaminix> Wie, my Kaffeine works again :)
[18:21] <makdaknife> joseph: packages are usually "kept back" to avoid dependency issues
[18:21] <makdaknife> don't worry about them... they will become available as package dependency issues are resolved
[18:22] <makdaknife> kaminix: great! do you know what caused it?
[18:22] <joseph> makdaknife: so there aren't any major problems with postfix then?
[18:23] <kaminix> makdaknife: Not entirely sure, but I think it was some problem with a conflicting KDM or something, kdm-kde4 which installed with kde4-core and had been set to active. I removed it and rebooted :)
[18:23] <makdaknife> joseph:  probably not... its more likely that you are making use of conflicting repositories or that a package has been added to the apt repository and has dependency issues
[18:24] <makdaknife> kaminix: hmmm I've used both kdm's no problems... prolly just the reboot helped :-)
[18:25] <makdaknife> joseph: http://www.webservertalk.com/archive291-2004-12-626948.html that provides a useful response
[18:25] <makdaknife> cheers folks... I'm off
[18:29] <xav> hello, i have difficulties to install sound on my dell laptop
[18:29] <xav> asoundconf list is empty
[18:36] <intelikey> sshd user can have shell /bin/false can't it ?
[18:36] <intelikey> i can't get sshd to start at boot time.
[18:36] <ForgeAus> did mika go?
[18:37] <ForgeAus> hmm guess I cant help it if he doesn't listen
[18:37] <genii> intelikey: Does it give some informative message?
[18:38] <intelikey> it doesn't say anything
[18:38] <intelikey> genii i can start it manually  but init doesn't seem to be able to start it.
[18:39] <llutz> intelikey: no syslog-entries?
[18:39] <intelikey> no
[18:39] <llutz> increase verbose-mode
[18:39] <intelikey> i think i know what i'll do.   i'll rewrite the init script. and be done with it.
[18:39] <intelikey> i've wasted enough time on it already
[18:42] <intelikey> i found it.  it's bashism in the init script that calls /bin/sh not /bin/bash
[18:43] <intelikey> i'll bet it starts now.
[18:45] <Arwen> whoa, switching to EXA rendering boosts compositing speed with the "radeon" driver way up.
[18:45] <Arwen> remember that if you're stuck on ATI!
[18:45]  * genii makes a note in his lttle black notebook
[19:10] <noaXess> what about making a video of my desktop working for demonstration?
[19:10] <llutz> noaXess: recordmydesktop
[19:10] <noaXess> llutz: aha okay. thanks
[19:13] <The_Fodas> e ae quengada do GNUX !
[19:15] <The_Fodas> hello guys to GNUX
[19:24] <BluesKaj> where can I find the option to turn off the bouncing icon ?.. annoying me.
[19:27] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: kcontrol->general->luanch feedback
[19:27] <nosrednaekim> I think.
[19:30] <carlitox> hola
[19:30] <carlitox> alguienporahi
[19:30] <carlitox> hi
[19:31] <carlitox> alguien me esta leyendo?
[19:31] <carlitox> Y_Y
[19:32] <LadyNikon> !es
[19:32] <carlitox> hola
[19:32] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[19:32] <carlitox> okis
[19:32] <carlitox> ladynikon
[19:32] <carlitox> estas online?
[19:33] <LadyNikon> lo siento no hablar espanol
[19:33] <LadyNikon> mi espanol is muy pokito?
[19:34] <carlitox> ok
[19:34] <carlitox> hey lady were you from'?
[19:34] <LadyNikon> sorry this isnt the type of chat for that
[19:34] <LadyNikon> this is a help channel for kubuntu
[19:34] <carlitox> eee ok thanx
[19:35] <joseph> !offtopic
[19:35] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:35] <LadyNikon> joseph: i didnt do that.. because I have no desire to join that channel :D
[19:37] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, i admire your memory ...I'd forgotten  :)
[19:37] <noaXess> have installed compiz in my kubuntu kde3.. it work fine..
[19:37] <noaXess> but seom special things.. if i send any window to the second desktop.. it's gone.. :(.. i think the desktop applet from kde and compiz have not the same destination.. any idea?
[19:38] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: that is probably true.
[19:38] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: you need compiz-kicker
[19:38] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: why?
[19:38] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: ok
[19:39] <noaXess> is this a applet?.. gnome applet?
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: because compiz doesn't work well with the kde3 desktops
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: its a kde panel applet
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> !info compiz-kicker
[19:39] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: the use compiz better with gnome?
[19:39] <ubotu> Package compiz-kicker does not exist in gutsy
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: yes, it does have better gnome integration
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: I believe the kicker compiz package is in backports for gutsy
[19:40] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: hm... is there a desktop engine like compiz for kde?
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: not for kde3
[19:40] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: but kde4 i think
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: you are using kde4?
[19:41] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: yes, there is one for kde4
[19:41] <noaXess> no kde3
[19:41] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: is 4.0.2 really stable.. or are ther some missing apps?
[19:41] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: plenty of missing stuff, but it is stable
[19:41] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: ok..
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> and it doesn't have as fancy of effects as compiz does
[19:42] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: how to enable backports?
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> noaXess: "unsupported updates" I think in the adept manage repositories
[19:42] <noaXess> nosrednaekim: aha.. okay. just try..
[19:43] <noaXess> compiz is cool :)
[19:43] <noaXess> and if you have a big nvidia grafic than it should be used..
[19:43] <nosrednaekim> oh yes :)
[19:43] <joseph> LadyNikon: let that guy join then
[19:44] <LadyNikon> joseph: good point
[19:46] <carlitox> compiz problem graphic card
[19:46] <carlitox> ati radeon 9000
[19:50] <tinin> !kbuildsycoca
[19:50] <ubotu> If your K menu is out of date, like after installing an application and not finding it in the K menu, you should type "kbuildsycoca" in a terminal to rebuild the KDE configuration cache
[19:53] <tinin> kbuildsycoca4
[19:53] <tinin> !kbuildsycoca4
[19:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kbuildsycoca4 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:55] <Jucato> tinin?
[19:57] <dhillon> hi...plz help how can i reduce the brightness of my laptop screen...i am having sony vaio...thnks in advance
[19:57] <benpicco__> hi, how do i get konqueror not displaying 'system:/media/sdb2/' but "/media/$mountpoint" in the adress bar?
[19:57] <sammy> shouldn't kdm try the first resolution in my xorg.conf screen section, not the highest resolution? I edited xorg.conf and set my resoltion with the kde control panel, but after reboot, X keeps making a virtual desktop that's larger than my desktop AND larger than my largest modeline and ignores my previously saved settings
[19:58] <tinin> Jucato what's up?
[19:59] <Jucato> what were you looking for?
[19:59] <Jucato> (from the bot)
[19:59] <tinin> kde4 doesn't start up
[19:59] <Jucato> #kubuntu-kde4 is the place for you :)
[19:59] <tinin> I always get a screen telling me something that kbuildsycoca crashed
[20:00] <tinin> i'm there, but not too much activity
[20:00] <Jucato> :)
[20:00] <dhillon> i m luvin kbuntu-kde4 on sony vaio
[20:00] <dhillon> dumped pre-instlled vista
[20:00] <Jucato> try waiting... maybe the guys are still sleeping...
[20:00] <dhillon> and it was gud decision :)
[20:00] <tinin> i think it't this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde/+bug/197879
[20:00] <tinin> so there may be a solution
[20:19] <intelikey> well i got the sshd startup script fixed.   even though it was very hard to track down the actual issue.
[20:19] <intelikey> one doesn't normally suspect a script as being the problem if that script can be called from the command line and works normally there...
[20:21] <intelikey> hmm now i need a way to stop the hdd from cycling
[20:25] <cuzntx> i have sound issues.
[20:25] <cuzntx> im on gutsy
[20:26] <cuzntx> and i have yet to make sound come out
[20:26] <JoshOvki> !hardy > JoshOvki
[20:26] <intelikey> is it kde or alsa related cuzntx ?
[20:26] <intelikey> kde/arts
[20:26] <cuzntx> i can not be sure
[20:27] <cuzntx> i do not think it is alsa related
[20:27] <cuzntx> as i followed the instructions for d/l
[20:27] <cuzntx> and confiure
[20:27] <intelikey> cuzntx umm maybe you can.   drop to a console and test#  cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp   if you hear whight noise it's not alsa's fault
[20:28] <intelikey> ctrl+C to stop it.
[20:28] <cuzntx> bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[20:28] <cuzntx> bewofthe@bewofthe:~$
[20:30] <intelikey> umm ok.  then i'm guessing that it's not alsa.  but that's only a guess for now.    let's test one more thing to be sure.   openvt -scf 12 -- sudo alsamixer
[20:31] <intelikey> ooops should have added -w
[20:31] <cuzntx> illegal vt number `f'
[20:31] <root__> hola
[20:32] <cuzntx> openvt -scf 12 -- sudo alsamixer-w  then?
[20:32] <intelikey>    openvt -sfwc 12 -- sudo alsamixer
[20:32] <intelikey> try that one   ^
[20:32] <tekteen> root__: hola
[20:32] <root__> como estas
[20:32] <cuzntx> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[20:32] <cuzntx> Could not get a file descriptor referring to the console
[20:32] <tekteen> no habla espanol
[20:33] <cuzntx> i did sudo module-assistant auto-install alsa-source yesterday
[20:33] <cuznt> much better
[20:33] <root__> quien habla español?
[20:33] <root__> nadie?
[20:33] <tekteen> !es
[20:34] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[20:34] <intelikey> !sound | cuznt i'll defer you to the bot and it's infonodes,
[20:34] <damiano> ola
[20:34] <ubotu> cuznt i'll defer you to the bot and it's infonodes,: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[20:34] <tekteen> lo siento, no hablamos español
[20:34] <root__> ok
[20:34] <cuznt> cat /proc/asound/cards  0 [SI7012         ]: ICH - SiS SI7012                    SiS SI7012 with CMI9739 at irq 20
[20:34] <root__> see you
[20:37] <intelikey> [17181527.224000] Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 1342048 [17181527.720000] Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 1342048
[20:37] <intelikey> i hate dvd's
[20:38] <swatto> my monitor screen has gone dodgy, how can i fix it? its all out of propeortiona
[20:38] <intelikey> swatto what did you do,  zoom in ?
[20:39] <swatto> no, just turned my computer on and the screen was all out of sync
[20:39] <intelikey> swatto  ctrl+alt+-
[20:39] <intelikey> oh
[20:39] <swatto> ill try restart x
[20:39] <|Dreams|> anyone backup xbox 360 games in here?
[20:39] <Airforce5555> hahahahahah this is awesome
[20:40] <intelikey> swatto that sounds like some automatic ubuntu <insert byword here>    you may have to reconfigure xorg to fix it.
[20:40] <Airforce5555> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYp2Aloz-uE&feature=bz301
[20:40] <swatto> thats better lol
[20:40] <intelikey> swatto that sounds like some automatic ubuntu <insert byword here>    you may have to reconfigure xorg to fix it.
[20:40] <ailsa> hello, i am trying to install the flash (non-free) plugin in konqueror (works already in firefox)
[20:40] <tekteen> !flash
[20:40] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[20:40] <swatto> fixed it just restarted x and seems to be working, thanks intelikey
[20:41] <tekteen> ailsa: what is the problem?
[20:41] <ailsa> i think konqueror finds the plugin, but starts the mplayer plugin instead of the nonfree (tested on youtube)
[20:41] <ailsa> is there a way to tell konqueror to use the nonfree plugin?
[20:41] <intelikey> swatto hope it holds past a reboot for you.   welcome.
[20:43] <ailsa> i did everything on the RestrictedFormats homepage, but don't have the update-flashplugin command
[20:44] <sammy> intelikey: do you happen to know how X & kdm decides the initial root window size will be? is it the largest available from your list of modelines or is it the first?
[20:44] <tekteen> ailsa: go to settings > configure konqeror
[20:44] <tekteen> then go to plugins
[20:44] <tekteen> ailsa: click the plugin tab
[20:45] <sammy> my X.org log shows that RandR is enabled, but I can't change my root window size. for some reason it's determined to be 1280x1024, even when I change my resolution in the control center, with RandR enabled, the root window size doesn't change
[20:45] <tekteen> ailsa: tell me when you are done
[20:45] <ailsa> i have (all in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins) one flashplugin-alternative.so and 5 mplayerplug-in-*
[20:46] <intelikey> sammy xorg uses the first size in the list for the particular depth   but kde/kdm is not that streight forward i fear
[20:46] <tekteen> ailsa: did you go into the settings?
[20:46] <ailsa> the flashplugin Description is: FutureSplash Player
[20:47] <tekteen> isn't there also a x-shockwave-flash
[20:47] <ailsa> yes there is
[20:47] <tekteen> open that
[20:47] <intelikey> sammy xorg follows the old XFree86 patern on that.  if you know anything about that.
[20:47] <ailsa> Description: Shockwave Flash
[20:47] <tekteen> what are the suffixes
[20:47] <ailsa> swf, but i can't "open" it
[20:48] <tekteen> ok
[20:48] <sammy> intelikey: you're right, somehow. my first defined mode is 1024x768, which I get as a screen resolution, but my root window size is still being set to 1280x1024, which is the largest size defined. I thought kde's control center + RandR would change the root window size, but it isn't.
[20:48] <ailsa> only look at it (in the Plugins-tab)
[20:48] <tekteen> !flashissue
[20:48] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation has been broken for some time. A fix has been released now. If the update fails to install Flash, try « sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree »
[20:48] <tekteen> try « sudo apt-get --purge remove flashplugin-nonfree ; sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree »
[20:48] <ailsa> i will try this and come back, if this doesn't fix it
[20:48] <tekteen> ok
[20:49] <intelikey> sammy yeah that's kde's doing and i don't use kde   so maybe someone else in here can help you with that.
[20:49] <sammy> intelikey: no worries. I've asked in kubuntu, kde and xorg. it's friday, no one is sitting around in irc channels this afternoon/evening :)
[20:50] <coreymon77> crackhead_25: heya
[20:50] <intelikey> sammy i'm the console guy not the gui dood.   so out of my league really.
[20:51] <sammy> intelikey: cheers to that. linux gui's have a long way to go :) I'll be running mac os's wm when they finally separate it from the rest of their altered freebsd install and let me install it on top of any linux distro
[20:52] <ailsa> tekteen ubota     did not help
[20:52] <ailsa> the flash plugin does work in firefox
[20:52] <ailsa> but not in konqueror
[20:52] <intelikey> des quatro sammy
[20:52] <genii> intelikey: Get the sshd working right?
[20:52] <tekteen> ubotu is a bot
[20:52] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[20:52] <ailsa> only the mplayer plugin is shown
[20:52] <sammy> kde, gnome, xfce, all of them are too big for their britches. too many users that don't follow up on bugs, not enough developers.
[20:53] <sammy> intelikey: scusi? des quatro? the four? no hable... well anything but english
[20:53] <intelikey> sammy try blackbox/fluxbox
[20:53] <tekteen> ailsa: I do not know. konq. hates flash
[20:54] <intelikey> no bells nor whistles   but a clean gui
[20:55] <intelikey> when i use a gui it's blackbox anymore
[20:55] <intelikey> which isn't often
[20:55] <sammy> I used to run ... one of those on my AIX box at work intead of clunkycrappy CDE
[20:56] <sammy> I need the integration. After using macos where every program can share with every other program (ie, add a contact in your address book, you can assign it IM accounts which appear in your IM application etc), I can't go back
[20:57] <coreymon77> i have both a macbook and my linux box
[20:57] <wad> In system settings, I specified firefox as my default browser, but clicking URLs in thunderbird email messages does nothing. How could I troubleshoot this problem?
[20:57] <intelikey> heh
[20:57] <sammy> it's just that the foss world hasn't caught up. kontact+kopete does okay, I just feel sometimes like I'm the 1% of users that actually takes the time to file and follow up on bugs. it's not enough
[20:58] <coreymon77> i like macos, but linux, especially kubuntu has a special place for me
[20:58] <intelikey> i need the control, fine tune everything,   default is only the starting point for anything on my system.
[20:58] <eddieftw> wad: try checking your thunderbird settings
[20:58] <wad> eddieftw, I did that too, actually. :-(
[20:59] <wad> I fresh out of ideas.
[20:59] <sammy> I don't subscribe to people using computers like toasters. It's like cars, you *need* to know how they work. it doesn't help anyone but the people you're paying to fix it when you don't have any idea what is broken or why it broke. that model doesn't work in the OSS world
[20:59] <wad> I didn't find any thunderbird settings that looked useful, by the way.
[20:59] <wad> Any of you folks use thunderbird? Does clicking on links send the URL to the browser?
[21:00] <intelikey> sammy yeah another problem is that some times things get fixed, and the developers of a distro *caugh ubuntu caugh* grab the older unpatched source code to make the next release out of....
[21:00] <sammy> people who just want them to work should go use windows. if you're going to use foss software, you *have* to take the time out of what you'd rather be doing to hunt down bugs and participate in triage. intelikey: I think that's more of wanting a stable release for this 99% I'm talking about
[21:01] <sammy> the 99% of users who don't want to file bugs or even know what's wrong, they just want it to work, like their car, or a toaster.
[21:01] <eddieftw> :/
[21:01] <sammy> if they're not going to participate, they should be donating $$ to the developers, since they're using something and not giving back.
[21:02] <draik> !alias
[21:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alias - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:02] <coreymon77> sammy: wrong
[21:02] <coreymon77> sammy: i dont triage bugs due to lack of time
[21:02] <wad> sammy: Some people want to work on their computer. Other people want to work on something, using the computer. They don't care about the computer, if it's not functioning properly, it's just in the way.
[21:02] <coreymon77> sammy: but i still do my part
[21:02] <intelikey> coreymon77 there is no "right nor wrong" to an openion.
[21:02] <sammy> wad: I understand, no no, I see coreymon77's point
[21:02] <intelikey> coreymon77 and i share his openion in most points
[21:02] <sammy> I'm just saying, there isn't a large enough community of paid developers to pick up the slack
[21:03] <sammy> with cars, there's plenty of mechanics
[21:03] <sammy> a whole industry worth
[21:03] <coreymon77> sammy: i have asked quite my fair share of questions in this channel, and i have gotten alot of help
[21:03] <sammy> there's no pile of developers just waiting to fix people's bugs for a flat hourly rate
[21:03] <sammy> coreymon77: why do you think I came in here with my issue :)
[21:03] <intelikey> wad that's the 99%
[21:03] <coreymon77> sammy: but now, when someone asks the same question, i can help them
[21:04] <draik> Once I creat an alias, where else do I need to enter it so that it "sticks"?
[21:04] <coreymon77> sammy: just because im not triaging bugs or spending a lot of my time seraching out for them, doesnt mean i cant still contribute to the community
[21:04] <Blah112> Hey, i need some help making swap for linux. Should new swap partition be Primary or Logical? Should it's location be at End or Beginning?
[21:04] <intelikey> draik a runtime configuration file
[21:04] <intelikey> draik is it bash ?
[21:04]  * sammy ammends his original statement as not to imply that people who don't triage bugs are moochers
[21:05] <sammy> I meant those that do nothing, coreymon77.
[21:05] <draik> intelikey: I typed                  alias dvdmount='sudo mount -o loop -t udf'
[21:05] <intelikey> draik ok that's bash.    put it in ~/.bash.bashrc
[21:06] <draik> Thanks
[21:06] <Blah112> Can someone help me?
[21:07] <sammy> Blah112: logical or primary doesn't have much to do with what type of partition you choose. you may have 4 primary partitions per drive, and one or more primary partitions can hold 'logical' partitions. it's the way someone got around only being able to have 4 partitions on a drive.
[21:07] <draik> intelikey: Done. Thank you much.
[21:07] <Blah112> k
[21:07] <intelikey> draik may i sujest that rather than an alias you might want to make a shell script of that command and put it in /usr/local/bin   then you can also use the gui to execute it   (an alias is not normally accessable to gui alt+f2 type things)
[21:08] <sammy> Blah112: the location of the partition isn't necessarily important, either. it's just giving you a choice as to what free space you'd like to use on your drive.
[21:08] <intelikey> just a thought.
[21:08] <draik> intelikey: Great suggestion. How do I put the command into shell script?
[21:09] <Blah112> Alright. Thanks.
[21:09] <tekteen> draik: create a text file
[21:09] <intelikey> draik sudo nano /usr/local/bin/dvdmount     type in the command and save/exit    then  sudo chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/dvdmount    and you're done.
[21:09] <draik> intelikey: I use Yakuake when I enter             dvdmount [filename.iso] /mnt
[21:10] <intelikey> command would look something like this    sudo mount -o loop -t udf "$@"
[21:11] <draik> What is    "$@"  ?
[21:11] <intelikey> any command line arguments
[21:11] <draik> Ok
[21:11] <intelikey> well all command line args actually
[21:11] <draik> I thought it was something specific
[21:12] <draik> I'm aware of $PATH and such
[21:12] <draik> Didn't know if "$@" was specific to something.
[21:12] <tekteen> it is
[21:12] <tekteen> all command line args
[21:12] <intelikey> $1 is the first one $2 the second  $* is all but doesn't preserve spaces in args and "$@" is all and does pereserve spaces
[21:13] <intelikey> when writing any shell script you wish to pass arguments to  you use one of those ^   and commonly "$@"
[21:14] <draik> Ok
[21:14] <intelikey> $[1-9 positional arg 1 - 9      $0 is the name of the script as it's called on the command line.
[21:15] <draik> So the text file is only a line that states...                                sudo mount -o loop -t udf "$@"
[21:15] <intelikey> yeap     unless you want to be fancy
[21:15] <draik> Fancy?
[21:15] <intelikey> #!/bin/bash
[21:15] <intelikey>  
[21:15] <intelikey> # something about the GNU-GPL here
[21:15] <intelikey>  
[21:16] <intelikey> your commands here
[21:17] <ailsa> tekteen ubota     i found the error, i had to change in the "file associations" "swf" in the embedding tab to the nsplugin
[21:17] <some_dude> what package enable zeroconf ?
[21:17] <tekteen> ailsa: ubota does not exist
[21:17] <intelikey> notice    in a shell script  # starts a comment    EXCEPT! when followed by !  #! is a key that tells linux what interpretor to use     i.e.  #!/usr/bin/prel    will run in perl    #!/usr/bin/python   will run in python
[21:17] <eddieftw> !paste
[21:18] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:18] <tekteen> it was ubotu that helped you and
[21:18] <tekteen> ubotu is a bot
[21:18] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[21:18] <draik> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/932615
[21:18] <ailsa> ok, thanks
[21:20] <intelikey> draik yes
[21:21] <jinzougen> I'm building something which needs libX11.so or libX11.a, but its configure script can't find it. `locate libX11` yields: /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 and /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.2.0.
[21:21] <jinzougen> Is this sufficient? What do I need to do here?
[21:21] <JoshOvki> what folder the trash stored in?
[21:22] <blizzzek> after latest updates, i have an ImportError when trying to import kdecore, it says:
[21:22] <blizzzek> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyKDE4/kdecore.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8KService18accessServiceTypesEv
[21:22] <blizzzek> running 7.10 with kde 3.5.9
[21:22] <blizzzek> (it worked before ;) )
[21:22] <jinzougen> Oh nm I gues apt-get can install it for me.
[21:23] <blizzzek> it occures on the line: from PyKDE4 import kdeui, kdecore
[21:23] <intelikey> JoshOvki ~/.Trash  most of the users trash should be there
[21:23] <draik> intelikey: How do I run it via GUI?
[21:24] <intelikey> alt+f2   and type in
[21:24] <intelikey> draik you can also setup konqueror to allow a right click option for that command
[21:24] <JoshOvki> i just needed to know the folder. thanks intelikey
[21:24] <intelikey> but don't ask me to walk you through that one.
[21:25] <intelikey> JoshOvki i mentioned "most" because if you have trashed anything as root it won't be in that folder most likely
[21:25] <JoshOvki> good point
[21:25] <intelikey> and if it is.  you'll have to rm it as root.
[21:26] <intelikey> i.e. you won't own it.
[21:26] <genii> gotta go
[21:27] <intelikey> hmmm i need to work a little.    back in a while.
[21:28] <draik> intelikey: What would I be looking for so that I may find instructions online?
[21:28] <BizMan697> how do i create asimple homepage for my server, so that i can login from a remote location?
[21:59] <mikdemus> Using Kub7.10, anyone who knows how to handle the "C compiler cannot create executables" when make:ing from Konsole?
[22:00] <nixternal> mikdemus: do you have build-essentials installed?
[22:01] <mikdemus> I'm not certain. I have made a clean gutsy install from CD.
[22:01] <nixternal> groovy, ya you will need to install build-essentials then... sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[22:01] <nixternal> and enjoy your compiling :)
[22:01] <nosrednaekim> uhhh "build-essential"
[22:02] <nixternal> same thing :p
[22:02] <nixternal> I added the 's'
[22:02] <not_chawson> hello, how do u run gnome on kde??
[22:02] <mikdemus> Ah, ok, thanks for the fast reply! :)
[22:02] <nixternal> not_chawson: you don't run gnome on kde, but you can simply install the ubuntu-desktop and have gnome reside on the same machine
[22:03] <not_chawson> ok but how do you get xfce on gnome then??
[22:03] <nixternal> then when you are at the login screen, you can select whether you want to boot into KDE or Gnome
[22:03] <not_chawson> and wheres my mouse??
[22:03] <nosrednaekim> !info build-essentials
[22:03] <limac> how can I run rpm files?
[22:03] <ubotu> Package build-essentials does not exist in gutsy
[22:03] <jawee> not_chawson: sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[22:03] <jawee> ?
[22:03] <nixternal> xfce won't run on gnome either, but can run side by side, install xubuntu-desktop
[22:04] <not_chawson> oh ok i understand now, will that come in the next windows update?
[22:04] <jawee> limac: you can install the alien package
[22:04] <jawee> limac: sudo aptitude install alien to get it
[22:04] <limac> jawee: ok ok
[22:04] <limac> oh ok
[22:04] <Fesek> not_chawson, Get out of here Chawson you mess! Ok everyone. He really isnt this dumb, he is trying to pretend to be a no0b. :D
[22:04] <nixternal> please quit trolling not_chawson
[22:04] <not_chawson> :S
[22:04] <not_chawson> ok
[22:05] <nixternal> heh
[22:05] <jawee> limac: then do sudo alien -d packagename.rpm and install the package with sudo dpkg -i packagename.rpm
[22:05] <not_chawson> Fesek Is Bill Gates In Disguise!!
[22:05] <Fesek> ...
[22:05] <nixternal> !offtopic
[22:05] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[22:05] <limac> jawee: gotha, thank you very much :)
[22:05] <limac> gotcha
[22:05] <jawee> limac: wel, the second should be .deb, but I know you know that. you're welcome
[22:06] <limac> :)
[22:06] <mikdemus> nixternal: thanks, it worked. I not get the message that I don't have the X libraries. You know the package name for those?
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> xorg-dev I think mikdemus
[22:06] <mikdemus> nosrednaekim: you live here man?! :) But I'm happy, you always give good answers!
[22:07] <nixternal> there are so many X libraries that it isn't even funny
[22:08] <nixternal> what I typically do is find out what is in the header files, if c++ what is in the #includes, and then use apt-file to search for the file name, it will typically list the package the files belongs too
[22:08] <nixternal> makes searching easy most of the times
[22:08] <mikdemus> Yeah, it makes sense.
[22:09] <mikdemus> Hmm, I'm compiling KDE themes. Now it seems I need the Qt libraries... O.o
[22:09] <nixternal> mikdemus: all qt libs start with either libqt3 or Qt3 and libqt4 for Qt4
[22:10] <mikdemus> Are there any reason for not getting the Qt4 libs?
[22:10] <mikdemus> reasons
[22:11] <nixternal> mikdemus: no reason for not getting them...most of the apps you find on kde-apps.org are going to be qt4 nowadays
[22:11] <eddieftw> X just treats your tty7 as a client to the server afaik
[22:12] <nixternal> eddieftw: you drinkin' on the job again?
[22:12] <mikdemus> I'm a bit o edge about not breaking anything, I've grown a bit cautious into my 20th install in a week.... (no exxageration)
[22:12] <eddieftw> i wish i could make a joke, but then i would get banned by the admins nixternal.
[22:12] <mikdemus> What is the apt-get syntax for searching for a particular package?
[22:13] <eddieftw> mikdemus: sudo apt-get install (package name)
[22:13] <nixternal> apt-cache search
[22:13] <nixternal> mikdemus: ^^
[22:13] <eddieftw> sudo aptitude search (package) works for me too
[22:13] <nixternal> eddieftw: when searching you don't need sudo
[22:13] <eddieftw> nixternal is the boss, you listen to him though
[22:13] <mikdemus> ok, damn,I am having difficulties remembering everything!
[22:15] <eddieftw> mikdemus: it takes time
[22:15] <mikdemus> Yeah, the initial threshold is rather steep...
[22:15] <mikdemus> Earlier today I was so frustrated I seriously considered going back to WInXP and forgetting about Linux :(
[22:16] <nixternal> mikdemus: after you break and fix your install a few times, you will start remembering...that is how I did it back in 94/95...I broke my Linux installs on a daily basis, but back then documentation and support was sparse at best
[22:16] <sandro__> hi can someone tell me how come my SD card isnt being read in the media slot?
[22:17] <sandro__> it doesnt even register in the media section
[22:17] <eddieftw> mikdemus: my brother installed ubuntu and forced me to use instead of winXP. but now i love it and hang out in here to help people like you on a daily basis. :P
[22:17] <nixternal> sandro__: which version of Kubuntu are you running? did it pop up asking what you wanted to do?
[22:17] <mikdemus> And I appreciate it!
[22:17] <nixternal> also sandro__, if you could go into a terminal window (Konsole) and type ->   dmesg    <- see if the SD card is being recognized
[22:18] <sandro__> ok im new at this sorry for being ignorant, im running what i think is the latest version of kubuntu
[22:19] <eddieftw> sandro__: gutsy gibbon. version 7.04?
[22:19] <sandro__> yes
[22:19] <eddieftw> if you have a konsole or terminal open do this: ls_release -a
[22:19] <jawee> eddieftw: 7.10 is Gusty Gibbon. 7.04 is Fiesty Fawn
[22:19] <mikdemus> Ok, though having install the latest Qt4 libs, it is still not working. I get "sudo apt-get install build-essentials"
[22:19] <mikdemus> oops
[22:20] <eddieftw> and that will print out your working distrobution...
[22:20] <eddieftw> gah
[22:20] <eddieftw> nixternal: apparently I *have* been drinking on the job
[22:20] <nixternal> figures
[22:20] <sandro__> so what do i do again?
[22:20] <nixternal> eddieftw: go to PyCon with me next week
[22:20] <nixternal> sandro__: dmesg
[22:20] <sandro__> ok ive done that
[22:20] <nixternal> see if it is recognizing the SD card
[22:20] <mikdemus> Ok, new attempt. The error message is "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!"
[22:20] <nixternal> do you see anything resembling the SD card at the bottom of everything it spit out?
[22:20] <nixternal> if not, unplug the SD card and replug it in
[22:21] <nixternal> root_: please do not sign into IRC as root
[22:21] <nixternal> !root > root_
[22:21] <damian_> root
[22:21] <jawee> !root | root_
[22:21] <ubotu> root_: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[22:21] <nixternal> lol
[22:21] <jawee> I win :)
[22:21] <aleksanteri> rofl
[22:21] <nixternal> wth is the "don't sign into IRC as root" one?
[22:21] <jawee> oh...
[22:21] <sandro__> ok i dont see SD card anywhere
[22:22] <eddieftw> nixternal: i think i can make it on thursday or tuesday. but i need to talk to my boss and schedule things etc
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: apt-get install libqt3-dev
[22:22] <sandro__> but there is a blue light
[22:22] <eddieftw> i have to go on one of those 'free' days
[22:22] <sandro__> wait there is no blue light
[22:22] <sandro__> do i need to get something from the adept manager???
[22:23] <aleksanteri> wow there's no "don't irc as root" factoids
[22:23] <sandro__> like a driver or program?
[22:23]  * aleksanteri searched the db
[22:23] <sandro__> hello?
[22:23] <mikdemus> That package is apparently depricated, I get a batch of alternatives :-?
[22:24] <sandro__> so how do i get my SD card read?
[22:24] <mikdemus> perhaps libq3-headers?
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: yeah... try that
[22:24] <St0n3-C0l> guys...when i boot up my monitor says out of frequency while when i go for Recovery mode option...it works perfectly with init 4 command
[22:25] <St0n3-C0l> I get to the desktop
[22:25] <sandro__> um,,, hello can anyone help me?
[22:25] <xp_killer> hey
[22:25] <sandro__> yea
[22:25] <nosrednaekim> St0n3-C0l: in recovery mode, run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[22:25] <eigenval> hi, i've installed ubuntu/gnome (7.10) and use now kde. my problem: my usb-sticks are not detected in kde. if i use gnome, the are mounted in /media and shown on the desktop. but i dont find them and a mount (with df) . what is the problem, what can i do?
[22:25] <mikdemus> Nope, sorry, still get the 3.3 >= Qt < 4.0 error
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: what are you trying to compile?
[22:26] <mikdemus> KDE themes
[22:26] <eigenval>  i dont find them and a mount (with df) if i use kde
[22:26] <St0n3-C0l> nosrednaekim: Just this command would do ?
[22:26] <St0n3-C0l> K will try. Thanks :)
[22:27] <kam3> hel
[22:27] <daiana> #kubuntu-es
[22:27] <kam3> help
[22:27] <kam3> the jelly stole^H eaten my armour
[22:27] <sandro__> so can anyone please tell me why i cant kubuntu to read my card?????????
[22:27] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: ah...ok let me see then...
[22:27] <kam3> how to avoid damn jellies and friends from eating away all my good stuff?
[22:27] <kam3> sandro__: what card
[22:28] <sandro__> i have an SD card
[22:28] <sandro__> and it isnt being read
[22:28] <sandro__> it doesnt show on media drives
[22:28] <limac> I am trying to install maya, and anyone know why I am getting this error: bash: /usr/local/bin/maya: /bin/csh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[22:28] <mikdemus> nosrednaekim: appreciate it
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: try qt3-dev-tools
[22:28] <sandro__> the light on the card is off
[22:29] <mikdemus> nosrednaekim: sorry, still no dice
[22:29] <xp_killer> limac: wat is maya?
[22:30] <limac> uhh.......an animation software
[22:30] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: could you plug it in and then pastebin the last 20 lines of dmesg?
[22:30] <sandro__> what is that? i just have my card in the media slot
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: run "dmesg" in a terminal
[22:31] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: ah... you may need "kde-devel"
[22:32] <sandro__> how do i past it?
[22:32] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[22:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:34] <sandro__> ok ive got pastebin, and i pasted the  20 lines
[22:34] <sandro__> how do i put it on here?
[22:34] <mikdemus> nosrednaekim: testing now, I have added quite some megs of headers by know... :p
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: hehe
[22:35] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: give me the URL
[22:35] <sandro__> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58806/
[22:35] <limac> so......? why am I getting that error?
[22:36] <mikdemus> y
[22:36] <nosrednaekim> limac: csh is another shell it sounds like...
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: doesn't look like your card reaser is supported
[22:37] <mikdemus> nosrednaekim: yeah, that was what was needed
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: I think that is just a meta package..
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> !info kde-devel
[22:37] <ubotu> kde-devel (source: meta-kde): the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[22:38] <mikdemus> ah, ok. ubuto is a useful bot
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> yep :)
[22:40] <mikdemus> !thanks|mikademus
[22:40] <ubotu> mikademus: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[22:42] <mikdemus> I feel a dreadful power tugging me, it want to transform me into a smug LIST weenie running Linux and bashing everyone with it, and proclaiming the greatnedd of Haskell
[22:42] <mikdemus> LISP
[22:43] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: Haskell?
[22:43] <mikdemus> A progamming language, that is very fine and good, but whose users tend to be very superior
[22:43] <mikdemus> or act that way
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> haha
[22:44] <eddieftw> LISP atw
[22:44] <eddieftw> or so im told by some lisp fans I know
[22:44] <mikdemus> Please, go to a Haskell channel and say that!
[22:49] <farruinn_> If I want to compile a program that depends on KDE libraries, do I want kde4base-dev or kdebase-dev? The version for kdebase-dev is shown as "4:3.5.8-0ubuntu2.2". Does that mean KDE 4?
[22:49] <aleksanteri> depends on does the program use kde3 or kde4
[22:49] <nosrednaekim> farruinn_: if its a kde4 program you want kde4base-dev
[22:50] <farruinn_> nosrednaekim: thanks
 so what shhould i do?
[22:50] <farruinn_> so what's the deal with 4:3.5.8? Is that KDE 4 or KDE 3?
[22:50] <sandro__> so what should i do to get my SD card to read?
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: run "lspci" and see what youir card reader is called
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> farruinn_: I think those are kde3 libs that have been specially patched to work well with KDE4
[22:51] <farruinn> nosrednaekim: ah, ok. Thanks
[22:51] <farruinn> I had never seen 4:* in a version number before
[22:53] <sandro__> it is in here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58807/
[22:53] <mikdemus> Hmm, compiling (should I say Kompiling to keep with the theme?) KDE themes seems a hassle. Even though all libraries are there kompilation fails. Is there a precompiled theme binary package for Kubuntu?
[22:54] <mikdemus> sorry, preKompiled
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: depends on the theme... which theme is it?
[22:55] <mikdemus> domino
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> mikdemus: indeed there are :)
[22:55] <mikdemus> seems to be a common base for other themes too
[22:55] <mikdemus> yay
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> well if its a "base" then you will rpobably need to compile anyway
[22:56] <mikdemus> !yay
[22:56] <ubotu> Glad you made it! :-)
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> but for just domino, I'll find you the deb
[22:56] <mikdemus> ~yay!
[22:56] <mikdemus> (sorry, I'm getting wierder by the minute)
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=59
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> mikdemushttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Domino+Deb+package+for+Kubuntu?content=74031:
[22:59] <sandro__> thank you so much
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> sandro__: I hope that works..
[22:59] <sandro__> it should
[22:59] <sandro__> thanks
[23:29] <Ax-Ax> I'm noticeing that my computer slows down if I have the amarok window up
[23:30] <Ax-Ax> When minimized, it'ts normal
[23:30] <fignew> Ax-Ax: what does top say?
[23:30] <Ax-Ax> hm
[23:32] <Ax-Ax> 22635 axel      15   0  150m  51m  28m S 22.3 13.8   2:04.67 amarokapp
[23:32] <Ax-Ax> minimized
[23:32] <Ax-Ax> 22635 axel      15   0  150m  51m  28m S 30.7 13.8   2:13.61 amarokapp
[23:33] <Ax-Ax> open ;S;s
[23:33] <Ax-Ax> 8% more cpu
[23:34] <fignew> is a visualization running?
[23:34] <Ax-Ax> no
[23:34] <fignew> how fast is the CPU?
[23:35] <Ax-Ax> not very
[23:35] <Ax-Ax> 450MHz
[23:36] <Ax-Ax> it wasn't like that some time (months) ago
[23:37] <fignew> ok 30% usage makes sense for 450mhz
[23:37] <Ax-Ax> yes
[23:37] <Ax-Ax> :(
[23:38] <Ax-Ax> i'm saving for a new computer btw
[23:40] <fignew> Ax-Ax, Not sure exactly what's going on. :/
[23:41] <Ax-Ax> :(
[23:41] <Ax-Ax> it's really annoying
[23:48] <Synaptiv> anyone here speak klingon
[23:49] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to assume that's a joke :)
[23:52] <prince_jammys> ubuntu is for "human beings", remember
[23:52] <user5> helloooo there
[23:53]  * Daisuke_Ido sips an espresso martini
[23:54] <Daisuke_Ido> i think i need to tweak my recipe a bit
[23:56] <mikdemus> 'part
[23:57] <X9nLinux1> Hi everyone.  I did a reinstall of Dapper on an old iMac yesterday.  All is well.  The HD is a 20G that was partitioned by the installer automagically.  Entire drive was used for this install.  Can I 'redo' the install without wiping it out so that the HD is repartitioned to two 10G sections?
[23:57] <X9nLinux1> BTW, the plan is to put OSX on the other partition.
[23:59] <X9nLinux1> ... or do I need to just start over?