[00:00] <NoelJB> pwnguin: because the last N times, people were waiting to see it posted.
[00:01] <NoelJB> The release schedule page hasn't even been updated yet, just the actual drop.
[00:01] <naught101> openoffice.org package is still broken for everyone?
[00:02] <NoelJB> again?  I had it working after the last OpenOffice packaging snafu.
[00:07] <DanaG> Dang SCIM eats my space if I'm typing with Shift held down.
[00:08] <SeveredC1oss> My friend next to me is actually just having SCIM issues too.
[00:10] <naught101> is the alpha 6 release in the repos? if so, how long has it been there?
[00:11] <DanaG> SCIM is cool, but not when it eats spaces, and not when ctrl-shift is the binding to change input methods.
[00:11] <RAOF> naught101: alpha 6 isn't in the repos at all - the repository has no idea of the alphas.
[00:12] <DanaG> Try typing something like:  Ineed to go to ....
[00:12] <DanaG> see, it ate the space!
[00:13] <naught101> RAOF, ok, let me rephrase: is alpha 6 using all the same versions of packages that are currently in the repos, or is it ahead (or behind)?
[00:13] <DanaG> Ihate when SCIMeats the space.
[00:13] <RAOF> It cannot be ahead; the alphas are just a snapshot of the repository at a specific point in time.
[00:13] <naught101> ok. is it already behind?
[00:14] <RAOF> naught101: It's probably behind, in that running "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade" will likely bring in updated packages.
[00:14] <naught101> ok
[00:14] <naught101> this is killing me
[00:14] <naught101> not literally..
[00:15] <RAOF> The alphas serve 2 main purposes: to test the installer, and to give new people a (pretty much) known-working way to install.
[00:15] <RAOF> If you've already got Hardy installed, you don't care about the alphas at all.
[00:16] <DanaG> Also try pressing and releasing 'ctrl' -- the SCIM thingy changes size.  It's quite distracting.
[00:19] <J-_laptop> Is there anyway to fix a panel that doesn't hide anymore? It usually gets stuck.
[00:19] <DanaG> Bang on it, perhaps?
[00:19] <DanaG> (lame joke.)
[00:20] <J-_laptop> I know killall gnome-panel fixes it, but is there more of a fix that will last longer than 3 minutes. =P
[00:20] <J-_laptop> It's probably a gnome issue anyway
[00:20]  * J-_laptop shrugs
[00:20] <cyphase> RAOF: i always reinstall anyway :)
[00:21] <DanaG> Panels don't slide very far out, either.  It looks more like they've slipped off the screen accidentally than like they're auto-hiding.
[00:21] <cyphase> RAOF: of course, if i was using it on a physical machine instead of a VM, it would be different
[00:22] <SeveredC1oss> gnome-panel's auto hide is the shitties auto hide ever.
[00:23] <J-_laptop> holy smokes found another thing. I put my home folder on a panel and the icon looks all gross. Unless it's just my theme.
[00:25] <J-_laptop> nope it isn't
[00:25] <J-_laptop> every theme.
[00:25] <DanaG> The Places->Bookmarks thingy is fugly.
[00:25] <DanaG> s/thingy/icon/
[00:28]  * J-_laptop goes into gconf-editor and tweaks some stuff
[00:30] <J-_laptop> I also found that making a completely new panel in gutsy helped with the stickiness. Not sure why. Not sure if it'll work in hardy
[00:30] <J-_laptop> I'll try
[00:37] <DanaG> Wow, that SCIM toolbar is distracting.  Try pressing and releasing 'ctrl'.
[00:38] <DanaG> And it doesn't snap to things.  That's annoying.
[00:42] <syke> hi
[00:43] <syke> are there any estimates as to when ndiswrapper will be working with hardy's 2.6.24 kernel?
[00:43] <J-_laptop> DanaG: Yeah, I got rid of it after it got annoying =P
[00:47] <J-_laptop> ah yeah, went to move an icon on the panel, and now there's a border around it like with that home icon ordeal. I shall restart and see if it fixes
[00:51] <soul_reaver_ffx> hi can any 1 help me on here
[00:51] <soul_reaver_ffx> just wanting to kknow  if ya can change gui on ubuntu   ?
[00:52] <Flannel> soul_reaver_ffx: What do you mean?
[00:52] <pwnguin> neat
[00:53] <pwnguin> nautilus can finally run mplayer on files accessed by smb
[00:53] <pwnguin> gvfs ftw
[00:53] <RAOF> Yay!
[00:55] <soul_reaver_ffx> i know on older verwsion  of linux etc  ya can put diffrent  user interfaces on like  gnome etc  can ya change the unbutu  or do ya  have to gnome ?
[00:56] <Flannel> soul_reaver_ffx: Yes, you can do whatever you'd like with it.  You can have Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu (andmore) all sitting on the same Linux install
[00:56] <rsk> soul_reaver_ffx: you can change
[00:56] <RAOF> soul_reaver_ffx: You can install KDE if you like.  Or XFCE.  Or E17, or whatever
[00:58] <soul_reaver_ffx>  wasent sure weather ya could   im learning  is it easy to do ?   not used any version of linux for sume years  now  so it learning all againe
[00:59] <Flannel> soul_reaver_ffx: its very easy.  After you install Ubuntu, if you want to add KDE to it, just install the "kubuntu-desktop" package.
[01:00] <Flannel> soul_reaver_ffx: you probably shouldn't be on Hardy at the moment, as it's still alpha.  And also, general support is in #ubuntu
[01:01] <soul_reaver_ffx> thanks
[01:13] <SeveredC1oss> Bug 193561
[01:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 193561 in rhythmbox "MTP plugin lacks proper permissions to interface with device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/193561
[01:27] <DanaG> Pidgin + Suspend == fail.
[01:27] <DanaG> Miserably.
[01:28] <DanaG> It shouldn't take 5 minutes for a chat application to realize I've been disconnected for the past 5 minutes.
[01:28] <richard__> ALPHA 6 FEVER!:D
[01:28] <Flannel> DanaG: you can probably change the timeout, its probably set to 300 seconds, thats fairly standard
[01:30] <richard__> is there a countdown timer? I have a small henkel trocken ready
[01:31] <SeveredC1oss> Rhythmbox is sucking pretty hard on Alpha 6.
[01:32] <richard__> I tend to go with amarok since it allows me to que up podcasts for transfer and then move 'em when my player is connected
[01:33] <richard__> Also, I tried evolution for the first time yesterday and oh my, it's really really nice!:)
[01:33] <DanaG> Wow, Ubuntu really does abuse my hard drive ... 2 load cycles in 30 seconds.
[01:33] <mrsno__> DanaG pidgin can be slow to realise you are offline sometimes, i find this varies on network though?
[01:33] <richard__> I don't see why it's been getting so much flack. Bad history?
[01:33] <DanaG> I'm hearing the drive load and unload literally every 5 or 10 seconds.
[01:36] <DanaG> pdflush and kblockd are one thing causing it.
[01:38] <richard__> alpha 6 isnt linked to the hardy heron release schedule wiki
[01:39] <richard__> or do the isos simply not exist yet?:)
[01:39] <DanaG> 8 cycles in two minutes.
[01:40] <richard__> Oh btw... this SCIM thing
[01:41] <richard__> It just loves to switch my keyboard layout and character set to armenian
[01:42] <J-_laptop> my brother came over, and I'm like, "check out my new laptop, watch these squirrels fight on youtube" and my brother goes, "you flippin(other word) geek, spend $1000 on a laptop to watch squirrels fight?".
[01:42] <J-_laptop> I had a chuckle over it.
[01:42] <richard__> hah
[01:43] <richard__> 8600gt?
[01:43] <J-_laptop> my SCIM is disabled. =P
[01:43] <richard__> :P
[01:43] <ader10> alpha 6 is released, correct?
[01:44] <J-_laptop> I'm not knowing. My lappy runs really nice right now. I don't want to update.
[01:44] <J-_laptop> Well, I do and don't. lol
[01:44] <J-_laptop> Tis running very nicely now
[01:45] <richard__> ader10, if you find a link, please do share
[01:47] <willis__> i updated - and got some issues wity my nvidia drivers, and kernel now. :()
[01:47] <TheArthur> when I plug in a flash disk encrypted with dm-crypt/LUKS the volume manager decrypts it but dose not mount it, is there a way to do this automatically
[01:48] <TheArthur> and is there a gui for encrytping things like flash drives etc....
[01:51] <NoelJB> ader10 and richard__: they're all there.  just not linked from the wiki.
[01:51] <richard__> :O
[01:52] <richard__> alpha 6 fever!!
[01:52] <NoelJB> richard__:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy/alpha-6/
[01:52] <richard__> :D
[01:52] <ader10> yeah, it's mentioned on the hardy release page
[01:52] <richard__> thank you! :D
[02:01] <DanaG> Here's something odd on my laptop: my hard drive won't spin down when idle.  Instead, it just unloads the heads.
[02:02] <DanaG> There must be some ATA commands swapped in the kernel, perhaps.
[02:03] <DanaG> Here's something odd on my laptop: my hard drive won't spin down when idle.  Instead, it just unloads the heads.
[02:03] <DanaG> There must be some ATA commands swapped in the kernel, perhaps.
[02:04] <DanaG> (sorry if I repeated it; I think pidgin may have been zombified.)
[02:13] <NoelJB> DanaG: how are you checking the drive status?
[02:14] <NoelJB> DanaG: and, if necessary, open a bug report.
[02:19] <Nostah2> hi all
[02:20] <Nostah2> what kind of fun stuff is the new hardy herron going to bring
[02:25] <oldmonkswill> hi, installed hardy last night (works great!) compiz works fine, i have the wall etc. but after installing advanced desktop settings manager, i don't get the option for 'custom' settings when right clicking the desktop, so though i have the cube etc set up, it is not activated, is this a known issue?
[02:30] <dooglus> after installing hardy into a chroot using 'debootstrap', is there any way of booting it?
[02:30] <dooglus> it's not on its own partition
[02:32] <J-_laptop> do I need pulseaudio on both my desktop and laptop to stream cesktop to laptop over internal ip, or can I do that with ssh as well?
[02:33] <crimsun> dooglus: you wouldn't "boot" into it per se; you'd chroot into it and go about your hardy business.
[02:37] <biggahed_> hello there. Ive got a notebook which has a hotkey to disable/enable bluetooth/wireless and id like to know how to manually setup those, as theyre not working. kern log even shows that the event is captured, by enabling the wireless. The problem is that it only enables it, every keypress. Any clues?
[02:39] <dooglus> crimsun: what would I set "DISPLAY" to be?
[02:39] <dooglus> ( Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 )
[02:41] <crimsun> dooglus: here, let me give you a reference from Debian.
[02:41] <crimsun> (sec)
[02:42] <crimsun> dooglus: cf. 8.6.35.3 at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot
[02:43] <dooglus> no mention of DISPLAY there?
[02:43] <dooglus> oh, 8.6...
[02:45] <dooglus> I don't want ot run the hardy X server (I don't have it installed, even).  I just want to run X client programs.
[02:46] <Milos_SD> Hi All ...I did the upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy when it was in Alpha 5 stage ... will I be "up to date" by only doing ordinary update?
[02:46] <Milos_SD> Or it is necessery to do something else?
[02:46] <Milos_SD> to get Alpha 6
[02:46] <Milos_SD> ?
[02:47] <crimsun> Milos_SD: using update-manager or dist-upgrade suffices
[02:47] <bazhang> Milos_SD: just keep upgrading til final ;]
[02:47] <Milos_SD> thanks :)
[02:47] <bazhang> only 7 more weeks ;]
[02:48] <crimsun> dooglus: even when you use xauth?
[02:48] <NoelJB> biggahed_: which laptop?  I know where the toggle is for bluetooth on a Thinkpad.
[02:50] <dooglus> crimsun: I think I missed the first half of your question.  what even when I use xauth?
[02:50] <crimsun> 21:39      dooglus > ( Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 )
[02:50] <dooglus> crimsun: I don't know xauth
[02:50] <crimsun> dooglus: i.e., with some xauth hackery between the chroot and host
[02:51] <biggahed_> NoelJB, its a poors man thinkpad.  a lenovo c200
[02:51] <biggahed_> but i think the kb scheme is the same
[02:51] <NoelJB> biggahed_: then see http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_setup_Bluetooth
[02:51] <biggahed_> ive seen that, the problem is i dont have a /proc/acpi/ibm/whateaver listed :/
[02:52] <crimsun> dooglus: xauth is the correct way instead of (ab)using xhost
[02:52] <crimsun> dooglus: there's also ssh -Y localhost
[02:52] <biggahed_> and i couldnt find anything resembling bluetooth there
[02:55] <biggahed_> kernlog even shows that the event is captured and enables wireless. The problem is that it only enables it, every keypress... it doenst disable it and bluetooth is not mentioned at all
[02:56] <biggahed_> any clues? :)
[02:56] <NoelJB> biggahed_: unfortunately, I can't reboot into Hardy to check until I've finished duplicating a 1TB drive.
[02:57] <biggahed_> but what would you check? im fine with just that info
[02:58] <NoelJB> I've a T61p, and would check against mine.
[02:58] <biggahed_> oh
[02:59] <biggahed_> thanks anyway. ill bother you tomorrow or something :)
[03:00] <NoelJB> :)
[03:01] <NoelJB> biggahed_: FWIW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Lenovo3000C200_8922AZG
[03:02] <NoelJB> biggahed_: also: http://www.nabble.com/Re:-how-enable-bluetooth-in-Lenovo-3000-C200-p14573383.html
[03:03] <NoelJB> Which leads me to believe that there may be a support issue, and you will need to file bug reports and hope to get the right people's attention.
[03:05] <biggahed_> that second links seems promissing
[03:07] <biggahed_> i guess ill have to file a bug report
[03:08] <biggahed_> problem is, mine is a br variant... dont anyone will be able to help with that
[03:11] <alteregoa> i got some problems with the Adobe Crash plugin
[03:11] <alteregoa> 64bit Hardy
[03:12] <NoelJB> alteregoa: there is an existing bug for it.  but it ought to have been fixed.  Are you using Alpha 6?
[03:12] <NoelJB> oh wait ... the fix is a download from that bug report ... let me get you the link.
[03:12] <alteregoa> yeah
[03:18] <alteregoa> there is a gonzo blog, should i try it from it?
[03:19] <NoelJB> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/177856/comments/13 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/179882/comments/17
[03:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177856 in nspluginwrapper "Gutsy 64: nspluginwrapper errors with flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.115" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[03:19] <NoelJB> go for the latter of the two, if you don't already have at least that level.
[03:20] <NoelJB> alteregoa: or are you having a different crash with Adobe Flash?
[03:23] <alteregoa> i still wait if it happens again
[03:23] <alteregoa> maybe logic
[03:23] <alteregoa> well, there are some fnords behind the closed source lines
[03:28] <alteregoa> Bueno, recuerdo, Siempre contestan en espagnol, Senor Butthead: "como es juan" aammm? Burritos?, no senor butthead?! como es juan!? "Cruncumulle"
[03:36] <emma> What more is here?
[03:36] <Seveas> emma, you just missed it :)
[03:39] <nalioth> emma: ?
[03:40] <emma> Yes?
[03:40] <emma> Is this channel also being recorded by the IRSeek corporation?
[03:41] <nalioth> emma: you may assume all channels are
[03:41] <nalioth> i see you're not using your 'real name' field to it's best advantage
[03:42] <emma> I'll have to see how I can do that.
[03:42] <emma> That's a client thing?
[03:42] <emma> Does that show up to the corporate loggers?
[03:42] <nalioth> yes, your 'real name' field
[03:42] <nalioth> it shows up to everyone
[03:44] <teethdood> I've never been able to get SCIM working properly, but man this past update made it work flawlessly
[03:45] <teethdood> so yeah just wanted to say WOOHOO, so, WOOHOO!!!
[03:49] <SeveredC1oss> Yeah, SCIM has never worked for me. I should re-install it so I can use it properly.
[03:51] <emma> I don't see the IRSeekBot in here.
[03:51] <emma> Oh crap there it is.
[03:56] <wastrel> scim works yes
[03:56] <wastrel> it is pretty good
[03:56] <wastrel> a bit buggy/crashy
[03:57] <wastrel> haven't tried it on hardy yet
[03:57] <MFen> so, no fix for wifi out yet?
[03:58] <wastrel> wifi is broken?
[03:59] <MFen> wifi is broken
[04:00] <wastrel> what card?
[04:00] <wastrel> mine is fine
[04:00] <MFen> i installed regular updates this morning and my madwifi drivers broke
[04:00] <wastrel> ah madwifi i dunno
[04:00] <MFen> it's an intel mumble mumble card
[04:01] <MFen> 0b:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5418 802.11abgn Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[04:01] <SeveredC1oss> MFen: Wifi's fixed.
[04:01] <SeveredC1oss> And it's not an Intel card, it's Atheros.
[04:01] <MFen> yeah, i thought it was intel
[04:01] <SeveredC1oss> Oh, madwifi might be broken.
[04:01] <SeveredC1oss> Network-manager was broken earlier.
[04:01] <wastrel> really?
[04:01] <MFen> how much earlier? this breakage occurred this morning
[04:02] <wastrel> i have weird network b0rkage on my gusty
[04:02] <MFen> i just did another update now and nothing network-related came over
[04:02] <wastrel> but my hardy's fine
[04:09] <MFen> maybe i should downgrade back to gutsy
[04:09] <MFen> trying to run a macbook pro on hardy has just been a hassle
[04:10] <MFen> it works almost all the time, but i really can't be without network for another day
[04:12] <J-_laptop> pc went to sleep, it didn't start while I pressed any buttons but I pushed the power button and it woke
[04:15] <lime4x4> does hardy 64bit still use the modprobe/option file?
[04:15] <RAOF> Yes
[04:16] <lime4x4> cuase it keeps bypassing or not using an option for the forcedeth module
[04:17] <lime4x4> which i need to networking
[04:18] <RAOF> You're talking about /etc/modprobe.d/options, right?
[04:18] <lime4x4> yes
[04:19] <lime4x4> this is what i have in that file options forcedeth msi=0 msix=0
[04:19] <lime4x4> without my networking never connects
[04:20] <lime4x4> so once i'm in my desktop i have to issues the commands in a terminal
[04:20] <lime4x4> it worked in the 32 bit version of hardy
[04:21] <teethdood> is app-level volume control going into hardy anytime soon?
[04:22] <RAOF> teethdood: It has been for ages.
[04:22] <RAOF> teethdood: And by "ages" I mean "since Feisty", or possibly earlier.
[04:23] <teethdood> hmm I thought it's only possible due to PulseAudio
[04:23] <lime4x4> so i'm trying to figure out why
[04:23] <DarkMageZ> hmm. when will a gui method of app-level volume control be available?
[04:23] <RAOF> teethdood: It is indeed.  Pulseaudio has been in Ubuntu since at least Feisty :)
[04:24] <RAOF> DarkMageZ: Again, already.
[04:24] <DarkMageZ> hmm. when i get home i'm going to have to test your comment there. i don't recall seeing it.
[04:24] <teethdood> RAOF: alright I guess I'll look up the package :)
[04:24] <RAOF> The packages that everyone is after are pulled in by the 'paprefs' or somesuch package.
[04:25] <RAOF> The one that you're particularly after is 'pavucontrol', which brings in the pulseaudio volume control.
[04:25] <DarkMageZ> oh, so it's not part of the default install ?
[04:25] <teethdood> RAOF: how come it's not installed by default?
[04:26] <DarkMageZ> no-wonder i haven't seen it.
[04:26] <RAOF> Because it's kinda evil on the UI front.
[04:26] <DarkMageZ> look @ how vista deployed it. awesomeness.
[04:26] <teethdood> vista deployed PulseAudio?!?
[04:26] <DarkMageZ> app-level volume control on the gui front.
[04:27] <teethdood> DarkMageZ: oh ok...never used Vista...people scared me away from even trying it :)
[04:28] <DarkMageZ> people also tried similar scare campaigns against windows xp...
[04:33] <teethdood> RAOF: I only see Adobe Flash in the list of apps in pavucontrol. How do I add more apps in there? hmm guess I'll hit the forums
[04:33] <RAOF> teethdood: While an app is producing sound, it goes in that list.
[04:34] <RAOF> If you fire up rhythmbox and set it to playing, you'll get a rhythmbox entry there.
[04:34] <teethdood> RAOF: ah yes...good man thanks
[04:35] <RAOF> Note that you can also do funky things from there, such as moving streams to different output devices - I use this to send rhythmbox to my server connected to the stereo, for example.
[04:37] <teethdood> RAOF: wow I read up on the possibilities of PulseAudio but didn't know it would be so easy
[04:38] <teethdood> RAOF: well not THAT easy...I guess I would need to add a "Virtual Server" or something?
[04:38] <teethdood> cuz I only see one device in the Output list
[04:38] <RAOF> teethdood: No.  You'd be looking for System->Preferences->Pulseaudio Preferences
[04:39] <teethdood> RAOF: alright I need to hunt down that paprefs package then :)
[04:39] <darkzero> hey all
[04:39] <RAOF> teethdood: There are a variety of "enable network access" options.  Turn them on, on your machine and the server, and the server's sound device(s) turn up in the context menu.
[04:39] <darkzero> how hardy coming along?
[04:40] <darkzero> I haven't seen any theme changes yet
[04:40] <teethdood> RAOF: so does that mean I can enable my 10 networked comps to play the same stream coming off of one computer? sweet
[04:42] <RAOF> teethdood: For that you'd need to use the multicast RTP output, but yes.
[04:43] <RAOF> (Otherwise it's a simple point-to-point mapping)
[04:44] <lime4x4> okay i'm i missing something silly what happened to system/administratio/login screen?
[04:47] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> is kde4.0.2 in the repo?
[04:48] <teethdood> RAOF: ok silly question, but...say all 11 of my computers are all wireless. Does that stream have to be sent out to all 10 other comps? (meaning X10 bandwidth?)
[04:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> teethdood, it's not calculated like that actually..
[04:49] <RAOF> teethdood: Using the multicast sink, kinda.
[04:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> really?
[04:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> wow
[04:50] <lime4x4> how do u change the login screen in hardy?
[04:50] <RAOF> Actually, that's a lie.  I'm not entirely sure how multicast interacts with wireless.
[04:51] <RAOF> It's possible (and, in fact, probable if things are set up right) that it does, indeed, only go out once.
[04:51] <teethdood> I need to track that answer down cuz I'm building an office right now, deciding whether to go GigE or WiFi
[04:52] <RAOF> GigE can be _substantially_ faster, but even 100Mbit/sec ethernet is likely to be faster than wifi - wifi is shared bandwidth.
[04:53] <teethdood> wifi N is what, 300Mbits?
[04:53] <RAOF> 450ish, theoretical or so.
[04:54] <RAOF> Shared over /n/ computers...
[04:55] <teethdood> RAOF: here's the thing, I don't want to run TV cable wires to put up TVs in each operatory (I'm a dentist), so I want to do audio/video over the network to computers instead
[04:57] <teethdood> and I'm hoping to do streaming like how PulseAudio multicast, but with video also, so I can control all 10 monitors over what content I want played
[04:57] <teethdood> question is, can wifi N handle the bandwidth?
[04:58] <teethdood> that's probably asking for too much
[04:58] <RAOF> teethdood: You'd be better off contacting a professional.  Wifi n could presumably, theoretically handle the bandwidth, but you'll obviously be pushing out compressed a/v to a local computer, which drives the TV.
[05:00] <teethdood> RAOF: it won't actually be TV TV, but a DVD or something. I would play that DVD on one computer and have that streamed to all 10 other comps
[05:01] <RAOF> That seems possible.  Again, you'd want to contact a professional; you want to know this works before you pay for it :)
[05:03] <teethdood> a professional would push me toward running coaxial cables for TVs :P
[05:06] <cinvoke> does anybody know how to open port 22?
[05:07] <garrwood> Howdy all, I upgrd to Hardy (64b) frm 7.10 (64b). Nautilus is not running & asking for libbeagle. I see libeagle1 for Hardy but no libbeagle. Pls help!
[05:10] <garrwood> sorry those should be libbeagle $ libbeagle1.
[05:12]  * DanaG wishes his hard drive would stop load-cycling.
[05:15] <DanaG> Oh hey, I think the suspend and sleep commands must really be reversed.  Do man hdparm, and look at -y and -Y.  The former spins down; the latter does not.
[05:27] <WorkingOnWise> hopefullly this is a simple fix. I have Sun Jave 6 plugin installed. I try to use java in firefox and am told I need o install the plugin. I tell it to go on, and it liste Icedtea, sun java 5 and sun java 6. I pick sun java 6 and am told it is already installed (DUHHH) and to restart the browser. I do, and same trouble. I pick sun java 5 this time, and let it install, and restart the browser. Same result....
[05:27] <WorkingOnWise> i386
[05:27] <WorkingOnWise> and Firefox 3
[05:37] <Flannel> WorkingOnWise: about:plugins, does it show java?
[05:38] <WorkingOnWise> Flannel: no it doesn't. odd....
[05:39] <Flannel> WorkingOnWise: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#head-7f353d2f3fb1a09aac09cf1caee565e897319306  Try some of the manual .so linking methods there
[05:39] <Flannel> WorkingOnWise: (and file a bug)
[05:39] <macogw> ok i know there's a bug where pausing one audio source doesnt allow you to play another, but i closed the first audio source (rhythmbox) and i still got no flash sound. and then i closed that tab in firefox and re-opened rhythmbox and stuff won't play...the progress bar won't even move.  anyone seen this?
[05:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> macogw, i guess u have to kill one of them
[05:40] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> or murder both
[05:41] <macogw> i closed both though
[05:41] <macogw> do you think their processes zombie'd?
[05:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> not zombie'd
[05:41] <macogw> sorry cant type fast while i paint my nails
[05:41] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> close != kill
[05:41] <WorkingOnWise> Flannel: thanks
[05:42] <macogw> it should
[05:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> it shouldn't
[05:42] <macogw> why not?
[05:42] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> ...
[05:42] <macogw> having to pkill firefox after youve already closed it is annoying
[05:43] <macogw> but after you close it if you try to reopen it it complains its already running...im sure that has to confuse people
[05:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> which mean's it's not killed
[05:43] <macogw> and thats dumb
[05:43] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sudo killall -9 firefox
[05:44] <macogw> when you exit an app, it should die
[05:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> any try to play ur music
[05:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i dont know im not developing ff
[05:45] <macogw> ok now rhythmbox works, but killing ff shouldnt be needed to get flash to let go of the audio...but heck, flash never *had* the audio because rhythmbox never relinquished it to flash
[05:46] <macogw> this is definitely a regression
[05:46] <macogw> the "only one at a time" bug wasnt present on this hardware before
[05:49] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> my flash works fine with rythmbox
[05:52] <macogw> mine used to
[05:52] <macogw> i guess while trying to fix some other hda chip mine got broke
[05:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> macogw, actually if u open the flash first, then open rhythmbox, it would work
[05:53] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> macogw, anyway, it's a bug
[05:54] <macogw> yeah
[05:57] <teethdood> macogw: audio is funky nowadays. It would work, then I closed the laptop lid (always on no hibernation), 5 min later audio is borked
[05:59] <DanaG> Damnit, my keyboard got b0rked again.
[06:01] <teethdood> RAOF: wikipedia says wifi N is 300Mbit/s max :P I was right
[06:01]  * RAOF goes to revise wikipaedia :P
[06:02] <teethdood> HA! you know on average a vandalized wiki page gets reversed within 1 minute
[06:03] <kyklone> does KDE 4.0.2 included in Kubuntu-KDE4 alpha 6? (or still 4.0.1)
[06:03]  * macogw spilled hot pink nail polish on the laptop
[06:03] <teethdood> dunno if that's true but someone said it in slashdot (pinch of salt)
[06:09] <kyklone> does desktop effects now work in Kubuntu-KDE4 alpha 6?
[06:12] <RAOF> kyklone: Probably.  Why don't you try? :)
[06:13] <kyklone> 4 hours to download
[06:13] <kyklone> and i have only 2 CD-RWs for ubuntu alpha 6 and kubuntu alpha 6
[06:14] <RAOF> It's probably faster to upgrade, of course...
[06:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> kyklone, it should work
[06:15] <kyklone> ok
[06:16] <hydrogen> yoyu can install kde4 in either ubuntu alpha6 or kubuntu alpha6
[06:16] <Flannel> If they're RWs, why don't you try one, then try the other?
[06:17] <macogw> and then re-use them because thats what RW's are for
[06:17] <Flannel> If you use one to install, then download the other's alternate CD, you can use the CD as a repository to add the second
 this will be not "clean" expirience and i will not test what software supplied, since i will have all software
[06:17]  * [Hardy]TuTUXG hates cd/dve rw s
[06:18]  * [Hardy]TuTUXG hates optical drives generally
[06:19] <kyklone> what then? mmm, can you boot form memory cards? (not flash drives)
[06:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> kyklone, if ur doing a dist upgrade, all universe/3rd party apps will be removed anyway
[06:20] <RAOF> [Hardy]TuTUXG: Um, no.
[06:20] <RAOF> [Hardy]TuTUXG: 3rd party repositories will be disabled, certainly.  But it shouldn't touch Universe.
[06:20]  * [Hardy]TuTUXG use the alternative iso to do a hd install always
[06:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> RAOF, sorry, my bad
[06:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> so medibuntu repo is considerd as a 3rd part repo then
[06:21] <kyklone> you mean install from image directly to HD? is it as easy as burning CD?
[06:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> kyklone, it's a little bit faster, but u have to use the alternative iso with the text installer
[06:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> and install the gui manually
[06:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> which is easy just like apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:27] <danage> is the network manager package broken?
[06:27] <macogw> danage: vpnc on it is...
[06:28] <danage> i seen in the topic, but i cannot install it atm
[06:28] <danage> i'm scared something will break if i install the libraries without the nm
[06:30] <J-_laptop> Is the connection applet working in hardy? I can't access my desktop with it..
[06:30] <macogw> oh i cant do updates anyway
[06:30] <macogw> OOo is broken
[06:30] <J-_laptop> OOo?
[06:30] <macogw> the writer2latex package needs to be synced from debian
[06:31] <J-_laptop> ohh
[06:31] <macogw> yeah for a couple days now....
[06:31] <danage> ?
[06:33] <macogw> bug #198942
[06:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198942 in openoffice.org "[Ubuntu] [hardy] openoffice.org metapackage has unsatisfied dependency on openoffice.org-writer2latex" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198942
[06:40] <skwashd> does anyone know why xfs has been dropped from the alpha6 amd64 server d-i?
[06:59] <Aeroraptor-M> what happened to the quit menu?
[06:59] <Aeroraptor-M> er
[06:59] <Aeroraptor-M> quit option in the system menu
[06:59] <Aeroraptor-M> shutdown/restart are gone
[07:01] <skwashd> oh well bug report filed #199388
[07:13] <J-_laptop> weird, when I connect over ssh via "connect to server" applet it states that the location is not mounted. any ideas?
[07:13] <J-_laptop> Although I can go through nautilus, and connect through the location URL bar
[07:20] <tonyyarusso> J-_laptop: No, but I've experienced that too.
[07:26] <danage> i know why that is
[07:26] <danage> it's the gvfs transition
[07:26] <danage> they are working on it
[07:26] <danage> though most bugs are reported upstream
[07:34] <J-_laptop> ah cool, thanks =D
[07:35] <J-_laptop> At least I can access it another way via the Nautilus 'Go' menu. Or, probably ssh in terminal.
[07:35]  * J-_laptop curses, and runs back to the desktop.
[07:38] <DanaG> Hint: bookmark.
[07:38] <DanaG> Bookmark the ssh folder.  The first time it opens, it'll dump you to the root of the remote system, but then you can go to the bookmark again and it'll take you to the right place.
[07:39] <J-_laptop> ah, makes sense. Thanks
[07:42] <J-_laptop> Error: DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.112 was not provided by any .service files
[07:42] <J-_laptop> Please select another viewer and try again.
[07:42] <J-_laptop> weird
[07:54] <mEck0> god morning folks! I wonder if there is a command which can show which version of ubuntu i have installed? (I also want to see which alpha-version of 8.04 I have)?
[07:55] <macogw> mEck0: lsb_release -a
[07:56] <mEck0> macogw, that shows some info, but not which alpha version is currently in use. the description is just "Ubuntu hardy (development branch)).
[07:56] <macogw> oh
[07:56] <mEck0> maybe it's not possible to see exact which alpha is in use?
[07:56] <macogw> if youre up to date, its 6
[07:57] <mEck0> alpha6 is beeing installed right now (I think)
[07:57] <macogw> im a day behind on updates, so i guess mine's still 5 :P
[07:58] <mEck0> hehe
[07:58] <mEck0> btw, have you tried kde4 yet? I haven't tried it since I tested one of the betas.
[07:58] <macogw> i dont like kde
[07:59] <mEck0> ok, gnome? or are you a minimalist which uses open-/fluxbox? :P
[07:59] <macogw> gnome usually
[07:59] <macogw> i like fluxbox quite a lot though
[07:59] <macogw> i spent the last month using fluxbox, but now that ive got my compiz-able laptop back, im back to gnome
[07:59] <mEck0> okay, I'm running gnome now too, indeed fluxbox is good
[08:00] <macogw> on the fluxbox laptop, i didnt have any gnome apps running
[08:00] <macogw> er well...oh hmm eye of gnome...nevermind
[08:00] <macogw> i guess i had 1
[08:00] <macogw> tried to stick to plain gtk and not gnome so id only need to load the gtk libs not gtk and gnome
[08:02] <mEck0> thats a good idea yeah, I like flux too because of its minimalistic design, customizability and because its so memory/cpu efficient
[08:02] <macogw> i like the plain text config the best
[08:02] <macogw> i think editing the menus and startup that way is easier than using gnome's gui's
[08:08] <mEck0> macogw, yeah and you only add menuitems which you really need
[08:09] <macogw> yep
[08:09] <orion_> hi
[08:10] <mEck0> orion_, hi!
[08:10] <orion_> I'm on gusty, whats new in hardy ?
[08:10] <orion_> I mean.. new as encouraging to upgrade
[08:11] <macogw> orion_: new theme based on the murrine engine
[08:11] <macogw> new resolution dohikey
[08:11] <macogw> new fully-open-source/free intel wireless drivers
[08:11] <macogw> ummm pretty wallpaper
[08:11] <orion_> umm
[08:12] <orion_> is there a dedicated webpage for hardy progress to look at these u've mentioned
[08:13] <macogw> new hot-pluggable Xorg
[08:13] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> orion_, like a new feature list?
[08:14] <orion_> yeah if it contains screenshots
[08:14] <macogw> you can cancel fsck on boot if you want to hold off for a while...
[08:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> orion_, im afraid u have to wait till the final release for those from official
[08:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> orion_, as i just googled, this one : http://ubuntuland.nireblog.com/post/2008/01/05/new-features-for-hardy-heron looks not bad
[08:15] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> but it doesn't contains screenshot
[08:15] <orion_> ok
[08:15] <orion_> will start with,
[08:16] <mEck0> orion_, here you have some features: http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/30/in-depth-roadmap-analysis-for-ubuntu-hardy-heron-804/
[08:16] <macogw> orion_: http://the-space-station.com/blog/?p=29
[08:16] <orion_> thanks for the help
[08:16] <macogw> orion_: theres the new theme
[08:16] <orion_> appreciated
[08:16] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> i remember there is a review on alpha4/5 on distrowatch.org has some screenshots
[08:17] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> but things have changed so fast ...
[08:17] <Seeker``> In Gutsy, I could scroll up/down by running my finger up and down the side of my touchpad, but it doesn't seem to work in hardy - any ideas?
[08:18] <Seeker``> I
[08:18] <Seeker``> I'm on a toshiba portege A200 laptop
[08:18] <macogw> Seeker``: bug
[08:18] <macogw> i got it too
[08:19] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Seeker`, it's a bug that xorg doesnt configure touchpad right
[08:19] <macogw> you could fudge with xorg.conf and maybe make it work
[08:19] <macogw> but there was also talk about new stuff with synaptics and the new xorg
[08:20] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Seeker`, if u have ur old xorg.conf u can just copy the touchpad part over and make it works correct
[08:20] <Seeker``> I dont have my old Xorg
[08:20] <Seeker``> is a fix likely to be released with Hardy?
[08:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Seeker`, hope so
[08:21] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Seeker`, probably a yes but im not sure when
[08:22] <Seeker``> As long as it isnt delayed until Ibex, I can cope
[08:22] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Seeker`, i dont think so
[08:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> they wont leave a bug like this with a LFS release
[08:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> LTS
[08:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> lol
[08:23]  * Seeker`` wonders if people will start calling 8.10 "Ibex" instead of "Intrepid", as it is so much shorter
[08:23] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> just call it ii
[08:23] <Seeker``> [Hardy]TuTUXG: yeah, I suppose so
[08:24] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Seeker`, if u have a gusty live cd, it maybe useful
[08:26] <Seeker``> I dont, but I can get one easily
[08:27] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Try to boot the live cd (when u get it) and if ur touchpad works with the livecd, u can just use the xorg.conf file from it
[08:28] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> Seeker`, but if u are not familier with that file, u may want to backup ur current on in case that the new one is not working
[08:30] <regel> uh, why are my ntfs-partitions automounted, even if I have commented them in fstab
[08:31] <Seeker``> [Hardy]TuTUXG: I've had to play with xorg a few times before :)
[08:31] <Seeker``> brb
[08:31] <regel> !fstab
[08:31] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[08:35] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> regel, it may be detected as a plug n' play hd
[08:47] <ph8> Hey all, has anyone found a way to stop Hardy's (and Gutsy, i believe) screen going blank after ~ten minutes of inactivity? I can't find a setting anywhere so i'm assuming it's some hard coded constant somewhere
[08:48] <Seeker``> I managed to fix the touchpad with "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"
[08:48] <tonyyarusso> Where could I find a list of the "automatic server" options supported in Hardy?
[08:49] <ph8> what do you mean by automatic server tonyyarusso ?
[08:49] <Seeker``> hmm, ctrl+alt+Bspace doesn't always restart X, it occasionally just gives me a blank screen, with no disk activity
[08:56] <Raspberry> Seeker` since I started using Hardy, I've learned about ALT + SysRq + K
[09:11] <Mohero|Work> 'lo all
[09:45] <timmysmith> Woooooot!!!! I just tried out 8.04 alpha6 and finally after many years of hoping and waiting my computer boots out of the box without freezing when my video card is installed and my USB wifi adapter works out of the box. 8.04 rocks!! My most sincere thanks to anyone here who's helping make ubuntu what it has become.
[09:53] <bazhang> hehe
[09:58] <J-_laptop> where are mounted drives usually stored? I mounted a computer which I'm using the external drive from.
[10:00] <pwnguin> /media and /mnt
[10:00] <pwnguin> nautilus should be able to see them under "Computer"
[10:00] <pwnguin> as best i can tell
[10:01] <mrtimdog> Is it possible to have network-manager-vpnc auto-restart vpnc when vpnc dies?
[10:12] <anniky> does anyone know where I can find a mirror of the hardy alpha6 .ISO?
[10:13] <anniky> preferably australian
[10:14] <anniky> cdimage.ubuntu.com is going really slowly...
[10:15] <anniky> and the bittorrent isn't going at all
[10:15] <thefish> hello
[10:16] <henkjan> anniky: au.releases.ubuntu.com
[10:17] <thefish> is iwl3945 not in the latest restricted modules? after the last kernel update i dont have wireless
[10:17] <thefish> is it even in restricted-modules?
[10:19] <anniky> cheers henkjan
[10:19] <anniky> henkjan: actually, that doesn't have hardy...
[10:21] <anniky> ahhhh.... au.cdimage.ubuntu.com
[10:21] <anniky> noice
[10:28] <pwnguin> thefish: iwl works for me
[10:29] <pwnguin> thefish: its not part of restricted i dont think
[10:29] <thefish> pwnguin, ye just checking in my config
[10:29] <pwnguin> recently
[10:29] <pwnguin> i had to undo a hack i made
[10:29] <thefish>  cat /boot/config-2.6.24-11-386 | grep IWL
[10:29] <thefish> # CONFIG_IWLWIFI is not set
[10:30] <pwnguin> 386?
[10:30] <pwnguin> or generic?
[10:30] <thefish> uname -r
[10:30] <thefish> 2.6.24-11-386
[10:30] <J-_laptop> !info daap
[10:30] <pwnguin> grep IWL /boot/config-2.6.24-11-generic
[10:30] <thefish> its the same with the generic config though
[10:30] <pwnguin> # CONFIG_IWLWIFI is not set
[10:30] <ubotu> Package daap does not exist in hardy
[10:30] <thefish> is it a module then?
[10:30] <pwnguin> yes
[10:31]  * J-_laptop grumbles
[10:31] <pwnguin> iwl3945
[10:31] <thefish> did you make that? cos i dont have it
[10:31] <pwnguin> right
[10:31] <thefish> but.. CONFIG_IPW2100=m
[10:31] <thefish> the old ipw stuff is there
[10:31] <pwnguin> i have it in /etc/modules
[10:32] <thefish> ok i dont
[10:32] <thefish> but i cant modprobe ipw3945
[10:32] <thefish> its just not there
[10:32] <pwnguin> can you run -generic?
[10:33] <pwnguin> oh rihgt
[10:33] <pwnguin> ipw is gone
[10:33] <pwnguin> no more evil closed source stuff for the wifi
[10:33] <pwnguin> iwl is your guy now
[10:33] <Seeker`> are there known issues with laptop screen brightness?
[10:34] <thefish> ye, but its getting hold of it
[10:34] <thefish> did you need to do anything to get it?
[10:34] <pwnguin> get what?
[10:34] <thefish> like i said, in alpha 5 initial install, it worked fine (im pretty sure it was iwl), then after a kernel upgrade it vanished like an old oak table
[10:34] <thefish> get the iwl module i mean
[10:35] <pwnguin> i dont think so..
[10:35] <pwnguin> but i dont install from cd anymore
[10:35] <thefish> are you running 2.6.24-11?
[10:35] <pwnguin> yes
[10:35] <thefish> did you upgrade?
[10:35] <pwnguin>  2.6.24-11-generic
[10:35] <pwnguin> right
[10:35] <pwnguin> i upgraded long before the alphas started
[10:36] <thefish> ye ive been doing that for a while, decided to try a fresh install since /home is on a different lv
[10:36] <pwnguin> well, maybe not long before
[10:36] <pwnguin> try running a -generic kernel
[10:36] <thefish> ye was thinking that
[10:37] <thefish> any idea what -modules package it may be in
[10:37] <thefish> i guess it wont be restricted any more
[10:37] <pwnguin> probably just the linux-ubuntu-modules
[10:38] <thefish> aah
[10:39] <thefish> i dont have linux-ubuntu-modules for 386 installed...
[10:40] <pwnguin> ive noticed that -386 takes longer to boot
[10:40] <pwnguin> if you have iwl you probably want -generic anyways
[10:41] <thefish> ye?
[10:41] <thefish> ok ill swap over
[10:42] <thefish> whats the difference?
[10:42] <pwnguin> 386 is compiled for 386's
[10:42] <pwnguin> generic for 686
[10:42] <pwnguin> im assuming you have a computer less than five years old
[10:42] <thefish> yes
[10:42] <thefish> ok cool ill do that
[10:43] <thefish> btw, it was in ubuntu-modules
[10:43] <thefish> modprobe iwl3945 and network manager picked it up straight away
[10:43] <thefish> thanks pwnguin
[10:43] <pwnguin> np
[10:44] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> !off-topic
[10:44] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:45] <thefish> served!
[10:45] <thefish> problem with #ubuntu is the signal/noise is not great...
[10:48] <thefish> [Hardy]TuTUXG, actually lets get that sorted out, was that a hint that hardy support should actually go to #ubuntu?
[10:51] <pwnguin> so what exactly does the system->admin..->
[10:51] <pwnguin> doh
[10:51] <pwnguin> so what exactly does the system->admin..->login->accessilbity tab accomplish?
[10:53] <thefish> guess its an attempt at helping disabled users
[10:53] <thefish> spose with the sounds its a non-visual hint that they can log in
[10:53] <pwnguin> i cant discern any difference between the box being checked and not
[10:53] <thefish> not tried it..
[10:55] <pwnguin> i saw a request a few days ago for a gdm onscreen keyboard
[10:55] <pwnguin> i thought it might support it, but i cant figure out how
[11:00] <[miles]> good morning #ubuntu+1
[11:00] <thefish> there goes the neighborhood
[11:00] <[miles]> guys, on my laptop I have 8.04 installed and all updates etc ....
[11:00] <[miles]> jaja
[11:01] <[miles]> when in Gnome, and booting, I have to press ALT or another key to keep it going
[11:02] <[miles]> I assume it's an ACPI issue
[11:02] <[miles]> btw, it's a Samsung R20 if that helps ;)
[11:25] <Ayabara> compiling vmware server fails on hardy. is there an any-any patch or something for this?
[11:26] <TheInfinity> Ayabara: i know about vmware tools that its an official bug from vmware
[11:26] <TheInfinity> for vmware server i dont know
[11:30] <Ayabara> TheInfinity: I found a post to follow so now I can at least compile :-)
[11:36] <kaarel> is there a way i can set displayconfig-gtk NOT to change my xorg.conf? all modifications are lost after restart and I can't use my desired resolution/refresh rate?
[11:49] <amikrop> How GNOME determines what items are in the main system menu (e.g. About GNOME, or Help and Support)?
[12:15] <amikrop> Are the Desktop Entries places in a special directory, or are the item names written in some configuration file?
[12:15] <amikrop> s/places/placed
[12:15] <wayne_> I use kubuntu hardy but KDE3 apps sometimes don't seem to be able to establish network connections. Any non-KDE apps can do networking.
[12:16] <TheInfinity> wayne_: switched of ipV6
[12:16] <TheInfinity> ?
[12:16] <wayne_> no
[12:17] <TheInfinity> try it ;(
[12:17] <TheInfinity> ;)
[12:17] <wayne_> How can I do that?
[12:17] <amikrop> wayne_: don't do that
[12:18] <wayne_> Seems reasonable
[12:18] <wayne_> So what can i try instead?
[12:19] <_ruben> investigate why knetwork (i think) thinks you arent online
[12:19] <wayne_> mmh what's knetwork
[12:20] <dejv_ntb> concerning NM
[12:20] <dejv_ntb> where does it store information about saved connections?
[12:20] <_ruben> knetworkmanager even .. the kde frontend for managing your network connections
[12:21] <dejv_ntb> One of my wifi connections changed details and NM tries to use old ones and therefore fails to connect...
[12:24] <wayne__> mmh, okay - I restarted eth0 in  KNetworkManager
[12:26] <wayne__> and now it seems to work.
[12:27] <wayne__> Well, it's alpha software so I don't think I really need to find the cause of this serious problem.
[12:27] <wayne__> thanks
[12:36] <amikrop> Anyway, where can I regularly find Hardy news?
[12:37] <amikrop> e.g. daily or weekly
[12:38] <ikkinu> hi all, I'm using 8.04, and I have a problem with, shares-admin, services-admin, *-admin: it says I could not authenticate; does anyone have the same problem or fixed it, or know how to solve it?
[12:53] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A Session in 7 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[13:13] <tonyyarusso> Okay, so perhaps network manager is fixed now, but it appears network-admin/policykit is broken instead, so I can't test it.
[13:16] <jandem> is the rewritten gdm 2.21 planned for hardy?
[13:16] <Amaranth> no
[13:16] <Amaranth> It got bumped from the GNOME 2.22 release too
[13:17] <jandem> Amaranth: okay, thank you
[13:17] <Amaranth> jandem: it is...unready
[13:19] <tonyyarusso> is anyone else experiencing something like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit/+bug/188349 today?
[13:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188349 in gnome-system-tools "[Hardy] Unable to save manual network configurations using network-admin" [High,Confirmed]
[13:21] <slytherin> Sadly it looks like ekiga 3.0 also won't go in hardy. :-(
[13:25] <tiagoboldt> Some recent update (hardy), has changed my fonts in almost all my apps.. firefox, thunderbird, xchat's channel list, lots more.. Anyone noticed the same?
[13:26] <Milos_SD> After todays updates, my Applicatin fonts are ugly :(
[13:26] <Milos_SD> how can I fix that ?  :)
[13:26] <tiagoboldt> eheh
[13:26] <tiagoboldt> Hi Milos_SD :D
[13:27] <tiagoboldt> Some recent update (hardy), has changed my fonts in almost all my apps.. firefox, thunderbird, xchat's channel list, lots more.. Anyone noticed the same?
[13:27] <tiagoboldt> :P
[13:27] <tiagoboldt> just some seconds before you
[13:27] <tiagoboldt> happy to know that it's not just me :D
[13:27] <Milos_SD> and I can not Force version ... :S
[13:27] <tiagoboldt> so a fix should be released soon :)
[13:29] <Milos_SD> did you reported the bug?
[13:29] <Milos_SD> :)
[13:29] <tiagoboldt> not yet, and I have to go, would you? :)
[13:29] <pdlnhr2> does anyone know how to turn off scim ?
[13:30] <Milos_SD> pdlnhr2, Add a hotkeys for Turn on and Turn off in SCIM Setup
[13:30] <Milos_SD> :)
[13:30] <Milos_SD> you have that in Global Setup
[13:30] <pdlnhr2> Itried to turn off in setup
[13:31] <Milos_SD> add hotkeys, and press hotkeys for turn off ... :S
[13:32] <pdlnhr2> it wont let me input a hotkey
[13:32] <pdlnhr2> d'oh
[13:33] <Amaranth> i just deleted all the hotkeys
[13:35] <pdlnhr2> man.. i can not get it to go away... is there a gconf setting?
[13:36] <pdlnhr2> i can see that being a major confusing issue
[13:38] <Amaranth> I can also see that being a bug that will be fixed before release
[13:38] <pdlnhr2> is there a way to kill it?
[13:39] <pdlnhr2> its gone now.. but the average user will not be able to do that
[13:39] <pdlnhr2> (sorry for venting)
[13:42] <pdlnhr2>  sudo apt-get remove scim  seemed to work pretty well
[13:55] <emilis_info> (offtopic) do you know how I can contact ircops? There's one user flooding another channel
[13:59] <savvas> emilis_info: tried #freenode ?
[13:59] <emilis_info> now trying :)
[13:59] <emilis_info> thx
[13:59] <savvas> n/p :)
[14:07] <tonyyarusso> emilis_info: if it's an Ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-ops.  Otherwise, #freenode.
[14:07] <emilis_info> tonyyarusso, thanks :)
[14:07] <tonyyarusso> emilis_info: Additionally, /quote chanserv access #somechannel list will tell you who has access in any given channel.
[14:07] <tonyyarusso> np
[14:20] <Seeker`> my laptop doesn't shut down properly - the screen goes blank, but the powe rlight stays on. I have to press and hold the power button to get it to turn off
[14:29] <Milos_SD> how have problem with fonts after latest update, just change size of fonts from 10 to 9 ... :)
[14:29] <Milos_SD> who*
[14:30] <richard__> how can I kill SCIM? I MEAN MURDER
[14:30] <pdlnhr2> sudo-apt remove scim
[14:30] <richard__> and molest
[14:30] <Milos_SD> comlitly remove from synaptic
[14:30] <Milos_SD> :)
[14:31] <richard__> :)
[14:31] <Milos_SD> complitly*
[14:31] <pdlnhr2> sudo apt-get remove scim  worked awesome for me
[14:31] <pdlnhr2> made my morning
[14:31] <kyklone> haha murder, they should add that option to gnome monitor
[14:31] <pdlnhr2> i tried every combination to turn it off.... removing it was the only optoin
[14:31] <ccooke> richard__: well... you could, say, sudo 'apt-get --purge remove scim'
[14:32] <ccooke> er. Except with the ' in the right place :-)
[14:32] <richard__> inflict pain
[14:32] <ccooke> (and even if you've already apt-get removed it, 'sudo dpkg --purge scim' will work)
[14:32] <pdlnhr2> ccooke:  good to know. i will rerun it
[14:32] <richard__> dpkg --rearrange_and_remove_genitalia scim
[14:33] <richard__> thank you, fellow humans
[14:33] <ccooke> --purge will remove any existing configuration files (etc) that packages can leave lying around
[14:33] <pdlnhr2> ccooke:  yup... it cleaned up some stuff
[14:33] <ccooke> richard__: that'll fail, you know. You should rearrange *after* removing.
[14:34] <richard__> you sound like you know the anatomy of SCIM. are you a collaborator???
[14:35] <ccooke> ('dpkg -l | grep -v "^ii"' will tell you everything that's been uninstalled but may still have files present)
[14:35] <pdlnhr2> if so we should draw him out and quarter him... that was a huge disappointment on upgrade
[14:35] <ccooke> (anything that has the flags "rc" at the beginning has been (r)emoved, but still has (c)onfig files present :-)
[14:36] <ccooke> richard__: No, I just attempt to use my common sense.
[14:36] <ccooke> What actually went *wrong*?
[14:36] <ccooke> (and have you reported a bug yet?)
[14:37] <Seeker`> ccooke: I found that it was way to easy to change the keyboard language to egyptian
[14:39] <pdlnhr2> hey ccooke:  when i run dpkg -l | grep -v "^ii"   i get a lot of responses... should i worry about it or is there a way to clean them easily?
[14:39] <ccooke> pdlnhr2: you shouldn't worry
[14:40] <pdlnhr2> ccooke:  i figure running 8.4  has part to do with it
[14:40] <ccooke> pdlnhr2: yeah
[14:40] <pdlnhr2> but i have logged a lot of errors... i hope this release is the best yet
[15:00] <matjan_work> when selecting a file on my desktop, it turns black... but i have a black background, so i end up seeing nothing... is it possible to change the color when selecting a file on the desktop?
[15:07] <Daveeey> heya
[15:08] <Daveeey> can anyone tell me the advantage of 64bit?
[15:08] <Daveeey> (I have core2duo @ 3ghz (its 64bit ofcourse) and 1gb ram)
[15:08] <Daveeey> I encode audio often, flac> mp3
[15:09] <Daveeey> do i have a reason to get 64bit?
[15:11] <Daveeey> anyone alive? :P
[15:12] <h3sp4wn> I don't think you have a particular disadvantage for 64 bit
[15:13] <Daveeey> so ... go for 64bit?
[15:18] <h3sp4wn> If you wish but the old issues still apply (that always applied)
[15:20] <h3sp4wn> So why with this X automagic stuff does my meta key not work (Sun keyboard plugged into a thinkpad X31)
[15:25] <arcticpenguin380> is hardy patched for DST?
[15:28] <Infecto>  hi
[15:28] <Infecto> i try to install alsa-source
[15:28] <Infecto> i mwan build packages but i have error
[15:28] <Infecto> is this known prolem?
[15:29] <DanglyBits> can anyone tell me how to install NX Server or FreeNX into hardy?
[15:36] <stdin> DanglyBits: hardy support in #ubuntu+1
[15:36] <bazhang> heh
[15:36] <DanglyBits> is that not where I am in #ubuntu+1 ?
[15:36] <DanaG> ... you mean, here?  Heh, This is that channel.
[15:37] <bazhang> stdin: /topic ;]
[15:37] <DanglyBits> anyhoo....can anyone tell me how to install NX Server or FreeNX into hardy?
[15:37] <stdin> yeah, my tab width isn't wide enough, I have 2 #ubuntu's here :p
[15:37] <bazhang> hehe
[15:38] <h3sp4wn> DanglyBits: Just get the deb's and install them
[15:38] <h3sp4wn> nomachine.com
[15:38] <Daveeey> question: why do you guys use ubuntu actually? :)
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> Daveeey: No idea
[15:39] <Daveeey> i mean ... why u chose ubuntu and not .. ehm .. gentoo.. debian ..arch.. suse..fedora
[15:39] <DanaG> This distro has everything I need alreay packaged.  I also like the color orange.
[15:39] <Daveeey> lol
[15:39] <Daveeey> well thats a very good reason .. because you like orange :P
[15:39] <h3sp4wn> Daveeey: If I was choosing again I guess I would use sid again
[15:39] <Daveeey> why?
[15:40] <h3sp4wn> Why not - more packages
[15:40] <Daveeey> debian sid?
[15:40] <stdin> DanglyBits: I guess you just go to http://www.nomachine.com/select-package-client.php
[15:40]  * jpatrick would use Debian testing if there were no Ubunut
[15:40] <h3sp4wn> yep I have run it before for a long time
[15:41] <h3sp4wn> sid gets less of the really annoying bugs than ubuntu+1 in my experience
[15:41] <Daveeey> sid = unstable they say .. but what do they mean with unstable? :P
[15:41] <h3sp4wn> gets frozen less
[15:41] <Daveeey> i mean .. does unstable mean that it crashes every program thats in the distro??
[15:41] <Daveeey> or is it just not tested yet..
[15:42] <h3sp4wn> Its no more unstable than ubuntu+1
[15:42] <jpatrick> Daveeey: http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/
[15:42] <h3sp4wn> at least prior to alpha 3 or so
[15:42] <ccooke> h3sp4wn: actually, it's usually less.
[15:43] <h3sp4wn> ccooke: sid is more stable . yep
[15:43] <Daveeey> oh and one more question .. CAN i make ubuntu my main distro .. for day to day things ... (not really bothered by the bugs I guess, they all can be fixed ;))
[15:43] <h3sp4wn> Daveeey: They can be whether they will is a different thing entirely
[15:43] <h3sp4wn> Perhaps LTS means something different this time around
[15:44] <Daveeey> i mean .. if i instsall alpha 6.. can i upgrade to beta + final later .. or do i have to reinstall?
[15:44] <h3sp4wn> never reinstall
[15:44] <macogw> how long does it normally take for new packages to be built & propogate?
[15:44] <h3sp4wn> (thats the advantage of sid / ubuntu+1 / gentoo etc
[15:44] <Daveeey> i guess im going for alpha 6 64bit then :P
[15:45] <h3sp4wn> If you are really careful you can go from ubuntu+1 -> sid -> ubuntu+1
[15:45] <h3sp4wn> (If you wait a suitable amount of time)
[15:45] <macogw> that sounds slightly scary...
[15:45] <Daveeey> im not very careful :P
[15:46] <macogw> though i do pull stuff from the sid repos if theyre not in ubuntu
[15:46] <Daveeey> ya but it stays ubuntu ;)
[15:46] <ccooke> h3sp4wn: damn, had to send email. What I mean is: Sid *should* be more stable.
[15:46] <macogw> huh?
[15:46] <Daveeey> but why not use ubuntu instead? or is it because it makes a REAL difference
[15:47] <ccooke> Sid is used - day-to-day - by many people.
[15:47] <h3sp4wn> ccooke: yeah you can get stuff like broken pam or perl (I did try it once around Woody)
[15:47] <macogw> i know it is but...its still unstable...
[15:47] <ccooke> Sid is a long-cycle stable.
[15:48] <h3sp4wn> Its a question of where the bounderies are
[15:48] <Daveeey> where can I download a sid iso? or dont they make isos?
[15:48] <Daveeey> cant find it at the debian site .. only testing
[15:48] <h3sp4wn> They don't make iso's of sid changes too fast
[15:48] <macogw> they dont make sid isos
[15:48] <macogw> you install testing and upgrade
[15:48] <Daveeey> btw .. im on a wireless connection .. so I guess i cant install sid at all ..
[15:49] <macogw> er....why
[15:49] <h3sp4wn> debootstrap / cdebootstrap - debian2hd
[15:49] <Daveeey> i also cant use network install ;)
[15:49] <macogw> CD drive to install lenny,then dist-upgrade..
[15:49] <h3sp4wn> You can install any Debian based distro from grml with their wrappers around debootstrap
[15:50] <h3sp4wn> If you need wireless straight away you can use a sidux or grml kernel
[15:50] <macogw> or put your wireless drivers on a flash drive
[15:51] <h3sp4wn> If you like gnome then maybe ubuntu is better
[15:51] <Daveeey> and .. how reliable is lenny > sid ... ?
[15:51] <Daveeey> ya i like gnome
[15:51] <Daveeey> dont really like kde
[15:51] <h3sp4wn> but I have realised actually I hate it
[15:51] <macogw> Daveeey: its the only way to install sid
[15:52] <Daveeey> oh ok :P
[15:52] <h3sp4wn> (Other than Sun's JDS - they just seem to add the things that make it nice)
[15:52] <Daveeey> so i just point the repos to sid .. then dist-upgrade?
[15:52] <macogw> yes
[15:52] <Arelis> I know that Ubuntu Hardy isn't ready for use yet, but it has a handy Wubi installer that i can use to install Ubuntu onto my existing windows partition. AND it has support for my tablet, AND it has much much more. Is it safe to use? Is alpha 6 far enough to be used daily?
[15:52] <Daveeey> okay gonna download lenny cd1 now ! :P
[15:52] <h3sp4wn> another thing use sid and you are mostly on your own you won't get detailed help in #debian maybe a line or two
[15:53] <Daveeey> Arelis: wubi is far from stable ..
[15:53] <Dr_Willis> wubi scares me. :)
[15:53] <h3sp4wn> (Unless its from me I am not really bothered about those rules but I am not running sid it atm)
[15:53] <macogw> Arelis: there's Wubi for other versions of Ubuntu, and Wubi has a tendency to break
[15:54] <macogw> Dr_Willis: well you know at one point if you installed your security updates and werent careful to tell it to not update hal, wubi would die and be unbootable...cant remember if that was feisty or gutsy
[15:54] <Arelis> macogw: so it has a tendency to break Wndows?
[15:54] <Daveeey> I dont really like ubuntu 7.10 .... it RANDOMLY fails the install .. on ALL cd's I have tried ...
[15:54] <Arelis> Windows*
[15:54] <macogw> Arelis: no to break itself
[15:55] <macogw> Daveeey: feisty's still the best on my laptop
[15:55] <Daveeey> not for me :P
[15:55] <macogw> Daveeey: even if they did have to release a new kernel 2 weeks after release to make my SD reader work
[15:55] <macogw> gutsy's "issues" were probably my dying hard drive's fault
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> Daveeey,  ive had the alternative installer cd work much better for me.. I have had a few odd machijnes that ubuntu live cd failed to work. but xubuntu did work.. which is weird.
[15:55] <macogw> that is weird
[15:55] <Daveeey> But .. I have a 64bit core2duo @ 3ghz .. I use it for music,music,music,msn,games,video ... and GNOME! what do you recommend ... debian sid or alpha 6?
[15:56] <h3sp4wn> This laptop works best with Centos and the XiG xserver
[15:56] <setuid> Anyone here involved in the "Wubi" project?
[15:56] <Arelis> is Debian Lenny just as good as Ubuntu Hardy?
[15:56] <setuid> Their latest installer and their FAQ claims to support 8.04, but it installs 7.04
[15:56] <Arelis> because i've been using Debian Etch but it had poor support for my hardware
[15:56] <Daveeey> setuid: hardy has some extra's I guess .. plus its a complete OS after the intstall ..
[15:56] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: You probably get a backported kernel if that is the only issue
[15:57] <h3sp4wn> *can probably get ...
[15:57] <setuid> Daveeey, Not sure how that relates.
[15:57] <Daveeey> sorry! was ment for Arelis :P
[15:57] <Arelis> h3sp4wn: i only need the new kernel for my tablet to work. it has the newest linuxwacom release, which makes my Bamboo Fun work.
[15:57] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: try backports.org then
[15:57] <Arelis> Daveeey: Thanks :). Isn't Debian, then?
[15:57] <Daveeey> debian is more .. custom
[15:58] <Daveeey> you decide the packages
[15:58] <macogw> debian doesnt kernel panic if you do a text-only install
[15:58] <h3sp4wn> You do with ubuntu if you just do a cli install
[15:58] <h3sp4wn> its the same installer
[15:58] <macogw> they fixed that on hardy server, i hope?
[15:58] <Daveeey> not sure what im gonna get now ..... hardy or sid ..
[15:58] <Arelis> does Debian Lenny (not Etch) have good support for my ATI Radeon 9600?
[15:58] <Daveeey> im not THAT experienced ..
[15:59] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: yep
[15:59] <prasanna> has anyone successfully installed acrobat 6 or 7 on ubuntu?
[15:59] <macogw> referring to bug #151942
[15:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151942 in linux-source-2.6.22 "PANIC: CPU too old for this kernel" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151942
[15:59] <Arelis> h3sp4wn: how much farther is Lenny compared to Etch?
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> if you want constant updates go with sid. if you can handle  6 month release go with ubuntu. in either case  its best to learn the fundamentals of linux. :)
[15:59] <macogw> hahah wow i love the last comment on that bug
[16:00] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: Its more upto date than gutsy
[16:00] <macogw> "Shall we close this? We can fix this The Ubuntu Way (TM) - look the other way until Debian have it fixed, then tell people to upgrade."
[16:00] <macogw> if you dont have PAE hardware, gutsy server just kernel panics.  its really fun to get the kernel telling you your Pentium M is too old
[16:00] <Arelis> h3sp4wn: So Lenny is a balanced distribution - between stable and unstable. So it has "rolling releases" (constantly gets updated), but is not as unstable as Sid?
[16:00] <Daveeey> But I think it's best for me to take Debian .. because when I install Ubuntu, I learn Ubuntu, and when I install Debian, I learn linu?
[16:01]  * ccooke makes a note to himself: When being distracted at work, don't try to make points on high volume irc channels :-)
[16:01] <macogw> Arelis: no its not rolling releases
[16:01] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: lenny will be the next stable
[16:01] <macogw> Arelis: if you want it to roll, put "testing" in your sources.list
[16:01] <Dr_Willis> Daveeey,  theres not much 'ubuntu' to learn.  gnome is gnome.
[16:01] <macogw> lenny is the current testing
[16:01] <macogw> Dr_Willis: there's still the command line...
[16:01] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: You don't want testing just after a release
[16:01] <Dr_Willis> linux is linux. :) go read/learn about Linux. and  then the disrto wont matter.
[16:01] <macogw> Dr_Willis: unless you mean separate from other distros
[16:01] <macogw> Dr_Willis: but Upstart is an ubuntu thing
[16:01] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: Thats worse than even unstable at the same time
[16:02] <Arelis> Dr_Willis: try Arch Linux for learning it
[16:02] <Daveeey> Arch Linux is VERY good
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> macogw,  yep. amazing thing about upstart is how ive never had issues with it.
[16:02] <macogw> Dr_Willis: and thats not totally true.   red hat runlevels and debian runlevels are wayyy different
[16:02] <Arelis> h3sp4wn: so " testing" is worse than Sid?
[16:02] <mohbana> how can i get the noduka fedora theme in ubuntu?
[16:02] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: At a certain time
[16:02] <Arelis> h3sp4wn: what about Lenny?
[16:02] <Daveeey> Dr_Willis: You can try Arch Linux, it's very custom .. and you decide what packages are in it and what not..
[16:02] <macogw> Arelis: right after a release, when sid is just copied over and they start hacking madly at it to get it into shape
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> macogw,  I have been impressed with how little problems i hear with upstart.. of course thats oly one facet of linux.
[16:02] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: Should be fine now
[16:03] <Daveeey> Dr_Willis: and the package manager is AWESOME
[16:03] <macogw> Dr_Willis: its not really in much use yet
[16:03] <Dr_Willis> Daveeey,  thats not a big deal for me.
[16:03] <macogw> Dr_Willis: theyre still in SysV compatibility mode
[16:03] <h3sp4wn> Dr_Willis: I have been impressed by how useless upstart is
[16:03] <Arelis> h3sp4wn: but Lenny doesn't frequently update?
[16:03] <prasanna> tryin to install acrobat with wine
[16:03] <prasanna> having a hard time
[16:03] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: It does for now
[16:03] <Arelis> h3sp4wn: and if i want it to constantly update, but not break?
[16:04] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: But stuff has to have been in sid for a certain time first
[16:04] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: But if it does break it breaks for longer
[16:04] <h3sp4wn> So you have the choice if it breaks take some stuff from sid or switch to sid or etc
[16:04] <Daveeey> Question: Which distro has the newest packages, sid or arch linux?
[16:04] <h3sp4wn> Arch probably but they are not of the same quality
[16:04] <macogw> prasanna: er...there's an acrobat for linu
[16:04] <macogw> *linu
[16:04] <macogw> *linux
[16:05] <h3sp4wn> Sometimes you get some stuff in experimental
[16:05] <Dr_Willis> Daveeey,  if you want cutting edge.. gentoo may be the way to go.
[16:05] <h3sp4wn> sid + experimental is pretty uptodate
[16:05] <h3sp4wn> rawhide is the most upto date
[16:05] <Dr_Willis> Gent-Ewww :)
[16:05] <ccooke> h3sp4wn: wouldn't trust it, though
[16:06] <Daveeey> Dr_Willis: gentoo doesn't boot at ALL for me :P
[16:06] <Daveeey> not even the livecd ..
[16:06] <prasanna> acrobat pro?
[16:06] <h3sp4wn> ccooke: rawhide ? me neither
[16:06] <Daveeey> I only see a dash ...   like this      _
[16:06] <ccooke> I really like the ideas behind gentoo, but the implementation is dissapointing.
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> Daveeey,  Shame! You are not leet enough for gentoo then!
[16:06] <ccooke> h3sp4wn: experimental.
[16:06] <h3sp4wn> ccooke: I sometimes use bits from there but only if i have a reason to
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> im tempted to try gentoo on my laptop again.. but i dont feel like spending a week installing it. :)
[16:06] <prasanna> something lets me modify pdf files? i know theres a a few good ones, but none as good as adobe acrobat pro. got adobe 6 and 7 pro hoping to install it using wine
[16:07] <savvas> !offtopic ?
[16:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about offtopic ? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:07] <savvas> :P
[16:07] <Daveeey> Dr_Willis: I can install it on VMWare .. but not when I do it for real .. it just doesn't do anything at all :P
[16:07] <h3sp4wn> Dr_Willis: If you do go to paludis as package mangler
[16:07] <h3sp4wn> *go for
[16:07] <Dr_Willis> vmware is darn handy tool for testng out all these disrtos. :)
[16:07] <Arelis> h3sp4wn: Isn't it safe to  do this: Use Lenny for now, then when it stops updating, upgrade to the next testing release?
[16:07] <h3sp4wn> http://paludis.pioto.org/
[16:07] <mohbana> how can i get the noduka fedora theme in ubuntu?
[16:08] <Dr_Willis> mohbana,  Check at gnome-look.org for it?
[16:08] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: No you have to wait for it to settle a bit the thing is just after a release everything that has been queued up for ages goes in all at once
[16:08] <Infecto> hmm, i build by my own alsa-source but i dont have new version of alsa-tools wtf?
[16:08] <Infecto> alsa-utils
[16:08] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: and because of the wait before things propogate things end up broken
[16:08] <Daveeey> Dr_Willis: I would really like to try a stage3 but I only see a dash.. when I but up the livecd ..
[16:08] <Arelis> h3sp4wn: So then like this?: Use lenny for now, then when it stops updating, wait for about a month, then upgrade to the next testing release?
[16:08] <Daveeey> Dr_Willis: btw .. why livecd? because netinstall doesnt support wireless
[16:09] <h3sp4wn> Arelis: wait until the new toolchain is in to testing and its settled a bit
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> Daveeey,  ive only used stage3 but that was proberly 2+ yrs ago.
[16:10] <h3sp4wn> No real reasons to not use FreeBSD again though now
[16:11] <Infecto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/192382
[16:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192382 in alsa-driver "alsamixer broken in hardy - intel hda" [Undecided,Fix released]
[16:11] <Infecto> where is the fix?
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> Wouldent that mean that a fix is beeing put into the packages, for the next bach of update/upgrades?
[16:15] <Infecto> Already fixed in alsa-source. Adding lum task.
[16:15] <Infecto> so? what that means?
[16:15] <ArthurArchnix> Is the issue concerning distorted sound on Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) known? I haven't investigated too closely yet, because it makes my ears bleed. Quite the regression from Gutsy too.
[16:16] <Amaranth> ArthurArchnix: Dude, that's pretty worthless info there
[16:16] <h3sp4wn> Mine is ich8m and it is a bit distored my issue is it gets unmuted all the time
[16:16] <Amaranth> ArthurArchnix: _everyone_ has ' Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)'
[16:17] <Amaranth> that's like saying 'PCI'
[16:17] <h3sp4wn> The soundcard I use uses OSS 4.1
[16:17] <ArthurArchnix> Amaranth: Didn't mean to give worthless info... though that explains why I can't find any useful bugs on Launchpad...
[16:17] <ArthurArchnix> It's what gets spit out when I lspci | grep Audio
[16:17] <h3sp4wn> (and they actually fixed it so I can use +4db outputs)
[16:18] <ArthurArchnix> what would you recommend I look under when searching for bugs about distorted sound...
[16:19] <Amaranth> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[16:19] <Amaranth> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 30a5
[16:19] <Amaranth> the Subsystem bit is the important one
[16:19] <Amaranth> well, more important anyway
[16:19] <Amaranth> lspci -v
[16:20] <ArthurArchnix> Well, we have the same card then. I take it your sound is ok?
[16:22] <ArthurArchnix> I'm not sure if you recall, but you helped me on #ubuntu manually edit the menu when changes in "main menu editor" failed to stick. I reinstalled Gutsy since then and either I failed to break something or some updates got pushed down in that time, because editing worked fully.
[16:26] <ArthurArchnix> Well anyway, I can't find a bug report on this... next time I reboot into Hardy I'll play around with alsamixer.
[16:42] <Daveeey> Can anyone tell me the use of PulseAudio ... why they built it in?
[16:42] <Daveeey> Already checked PulseAudio site btw )
[16:46] <mikademus> Hi. I've spent tha last hours on #kubuntu trying to get the 8.04a6 to work, but it seems very, very flaky. Then I was referred here. Basically, for at least some stability, would I be better off with gutsy?
[16:48] <pvandewyngaerde> DO NOT RUN HARDY
[16:49] <mikademus> You forgot some exclamation marks, but I understand what you're trying to communicate
[16:50] <Daveeey> mikademus: for stability .. go 7.10 ...
[16:51] <mikademus> Anyway, some observations I can share, to quote Tom Lehaer (sp?), that "might be os help to someone under a quite bisarre set of circumstances"
[16:51] <mikademus> I have done two reinstalls from scratch today. The first one did not install any proprietary ATI drivers by default (which I suspect is the way it should be), and also failed on trying to install them (cryptical konsole errors); the second DID install the ATI proprietary drivers by default, but the hover message was "not enabled"
[16:52] <mikademus> Am also having quite severe issues with the X server. Acting up in ways that makes me understand the psychology behind cargo cults.
[16:52]  * mikademus is off praying to Wiki gods
[16:53]  * mikademus meant "TIKI" gods
[16:58] <mikademus> Oh, I can also report that Amarok bugs under hardy when installing MP3 support, in that the support isn't really installed. You're prompted to restart the app, but the codecs haven't been updated.
[17:24] <miir> hello
[17:24] <flipstar> hi
[17:25] <miir> anyone know how to get the nvidia driver up and running ? it's selected from start but not activated
[17:26] <flipstar> using jockey ?
[17:26] <miir> jockey ? hm should I ? =)
[17:27] <kyklone> hello anybody home
[17:27] <flipstar> miir: how else did you installed the drivers ?
[17:27] <J-_laptop> this morning I had a kernel panic =( I had exaile running, closed the lid. The lappy didn't go to sleep so I  openned'r back up and black screen/ kernel panic
[17:27] <J-_laptop> =0 first time that happened to me
[17:28] <miir> I didn't , I'm trying to use the restricted one that was pre-selected after install ...
[17:29] <kyklone> i has kernel panic at startup, must be one of new 2.6.24 kernels
[17:29] <J-_laptop> Don't know, scared teh crap out of me though since this is a brand new lappy.
[17:30] <kyklone> but you shouldn'w worry its still alpha! its ok! and dont think about that no time left and beta soon
[17:30] <macogw> J-_laptop: whatd the kernel panic say?  im still amused by the one i mentioned earlier...."CPU is too old"
[17:30] <J-_laptop> macogw: It was my first one so I paniced myself and powered it off.
[17:31] <miir> got it working :) found someone with same problem
[17:31] <J-_laptop> was a asap type thing for me. seen the warning, and shut it down and went to sleep
[17:31] <macogw> J-_laptop: dont think there's anything you can do besides power off.  im sure youve had a kernel panic before though.  what do you think a BSOD is?
[17:31] <zeno____> this bug apparently doesnt exist in 7.10 but does in 8.04 http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373
[17:31] <J-_laptop> macogw: nope never had it before
[17:32] <macogw> J-_laptop: you never got a BSOD?
[17:32] <macogw> never used Win95?
[17:32] <J-_laptop> no, just this once
[17:32] <J-_laptop> ohh
[17:32] <J-_laptop> bkue screen of death
[17:32] <macogw> yeah
[17:32] <J-_laptop> l*
[17:32] <J-_laptop> many times in 98 and xp
[17:32] <J-_laptop> none in linux though
[17:32] <macogw> the blue screen is windows's "pretty" kernel panic
[17:32] <J-_laptop> haha
[17:32] <kyklone> now you have
[17:33] <J-_laptop> =)
[17:33] <J-_laptop> what scared me most is, I just powered the lappy up, and the backlight wasn't on too bright if not at all.
[17:33] <J-_laptop> restarted and it went back to normal =P
[17:34]  * J-_laptop worries a little
[17:34] <zeno____> XP wont even start for me, says some DLL wasnt detected
[17:34] <kyklone> can linux draw a little pony every time it have kernel panic?
[17:34] <kyklone> it will help a lot
[17:35] <kyklone> well maybe it just me
[17:35] <kyklone> Pony Of Death
[17:35]  * flipstar never had a kernel panic
[17:35] <kyklone> POD
[17:36] <macogw> hahah
[17:36] <AnswerGuy> A bitmap of a little crying girl with the caption:
[17:36] <J-_laptop> POD YES!! lol
[17:37] <AnswerGuy>    "No!  You can't have a pony!"
[17:37] <J-_laptop> @pony
[17:37] <J-_laptop> =(
[17:44] <Daveeey> Does 64bit use more memory?
[17:45] <kyklone> definitely
[17:45] <macogw> Daveeey: pointers do
[17:45] <Daveeey> what are pointers?
[17:45] <macogw> they're 64bits long instead of 32bit
[17:45] <kyklone> dont care about pointers
[17:45] <Daveeey> so go 32bit with 1gb?
[17:45] <macogw> parts of memory that tell the program where the other stuff is stored in memory
[17:45] <macogw> yes
[17:45] <Daveeey> uuse 32?
[17:45] <macogw> there's no reason to use 64bit unless you have 4GB of memory
[17:45] <Daveeey> you*
[17:46] <macogw> or you're doing crazy graphics rendering
[17:46] <Daveeey> well.. video encoding is 1 reason
[17:46] <kyklone> actually games are faster with 32 bit, so dunno what you mean about rendering
[17:46] <Daveeey> making the games is faster in 64bit ;)
[17:47] <macogw> kyklone: i mean rendering like rendering animations for Blender
[17:47] <Daveeey> so .. any peeps using alpha6?
[17:47] <macogw> Daveeey: pretty much everybody
[17:47] <Daveeey> you guys like it?
[17:47] <macogw> all you have to do to get to alpha 6 is remember to install your updates
[17:48] <macogw> except me that is.  i have package update "issues"
[17:48] <macogw> wonder if the repo is fixed yet...
[17:48] <crimsun> err, repo? fixed?
[17:49] <macogw> crimsun: bug #198942
[17:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198942 in openoffice.org "[Ubuntu] [hardy] openoffice.org metapackage has unsatisfied dependency on openoffice.org-writer2latex" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198942
[17:49] <macogw> crimsun: hey since you're around, can i ask for audio help, or are you busy?
[17:49] <macogw> hardy's the first one to break my audio since edgy :(
[17:50] <crimsun> I'm busy, but you may ask.
[17:50] <nemo> macogw: audio recently broke for me too
[17:50] <nemo> macogw: had to switch from PulseAudio back to ALSA
[17:50] <crimsun> gal/guys, I need something far more verbose than "broke for me"
[17:50] <macogw> wokring on typing :P
[17:50] <nemo> crimsun: I'm going to link to the bug :-p
[17:50] <nemo> crimsun: oh impatient one
[17:50] <crimsun> make sure it's not a dupe of the socket permissions one.
[17:51] <crimsun> I know about that one and will be looking tonight when I arrive home
[17:51] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/191027
[17:51] <macogw> the thing where 2 outputs cant go at once never affected me before.  now if i pause rhythmbox, i cant get audio in firefox. i have to kill -9 both rhythmbox and firefox to get sound back
[17:51] <macogw> is socket permissions what i just described?
[17:51] <nemo> macogw: there is an old firefox bug that works kind of like that
[17:51] <nemo> but. since you mention rhythmbox. n/m
[17:52] <macogw> oh i left something out
[17:52] <crimsun> nemo: ls -la ~/.pulse*
[17:52] <macogw> i cant get sound back in rhythmbox either
[17:52] <crimsun> (pastebin)
[17:52] <zzats> any idea how I can get my LCD tv working with intel chipset and laptop_ >(
[17:52] <crimsun> macogw: fresh install of a6 or a dist-upgrade?
[17:52] <macogw> i paused rb, then tried to watch a youtube video, exited youtube, and then couldn't play anything in rb
[17:52] <macogw> fresh install
[17:52] <macogw> well...i installed last week
[17:53] <crimsun> macogw: do you have both flashplugin-nonfree and libflashsupport insatlled?
[17:53] <nemo> crimsun: had to connect into her machine to do that
[17:53] <nemo> oooone sec
[17:53] <macogw> hmm not libflashsupport. i installed flash from adobe.com.  flash audio works fine if i havent just been using audio from another app
[17:53] <crimsun> macogw: see 183917
[17:54] <macogw> bug #183917 (so i can grab the link :P)
[17:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183917 in pulseaudio "Sound stops working in Firefox once other applications (Pidgin, Rhythmbox) have played sound" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183917
[17:54] <nemo> crimsun: http://m8y.org/tmp/pulse.txt
[17:54] <macogw> crimsun: is it normal for the other applications to not be able to play sound either once firefox is done trying?
[17:54] <crimsun> nemo: ps -C pulseaudio
[17:55] <crimsun> macogw: no, abnormal.
[17:55] <macogw> i mean normal in that bug
[17:55] <crimsun> macogw: right, that's the complaint in that bug report
[17:55] <nemo> crimsun: refresh
[17:56] <crimsun> nemo: "gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///usr/share/sounds/startup.wav"
[17:56] <macogw> crimsun: ok
[17:56]  * macogw goes to test
[17:56] <nemo> crimsun: refresh
[17:56] <macogw> er...rb wont make any noise now
[17:56] <pax```> Hello I've a problem with dns under chroot, i installed gutsy with debootstrap, upgraded to hardy(it boots fine). /etc/resolv.conf points to the dns this laptop is using, yet apt-get install metacity says "could not resolve...". what am i doing wrong?
[17:57] <crimsun> nemo: sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/seq* /dev/snd/*
[17:57] <macogw> well, the little progress bar for the song doesnt move either
[17:58] <nemo> crimsun: again...
[17:58] <macogw> ok theres gotta be a way i can start mysql and mythbackend when i lauch mythtv instead of at boot without needing to sudo it....
[17:58] <macogw> huh... O_o freakish
[17:58] <macogw> crimsun: mythtv can make noise, but rhythmbox can't
[17:58] <kyklone> what a mess
[18:00] <macogw> ok so myth followed by flash...the flash sound now works.  wtf is wrong with rhythmbox
[18:00] <macogw> and myth resumes playback just fine
[18:00] <macogw> i can play from both myth and flash at the same time
[18:00] <crimsun> nemo: gconftool-2 --get /system/gstreamer/0.10/default/audiosink
[18:01] <macogw> wow this sounds weird.... MC Chris rapping Nrrrd Grrrl and the Cruxshadows singing Dragonfly at the same time
[18:01] <crimsun> macogw: same command as nemo, please
[18:01] <crimsun> i.e., I need to know if mythtv is using ALSA directly
 try mozart instead of MC chris
[18:01] <macogw> autoaudiosink
[18:02] <crimsun> macogw: good, and with mythtv running but all Web browsers and Rhythmbox closed?
[18:02] <crimsun> macogw: err, sorry, the lsof command
[18:02] <nemo> crimsun: refresh. but yeah, is auto - I only switched her account
[18:02] <nemo> not the whole system
[18:03] <nemo> crimsun: if you want hers (alsa) I can rerun in her account
[18:03] <macogw> with ff closed and myth going the second command is still autoaudiosink.  the lsof one....will need pastebin
[18:03] <crimsun> nemo: I need this under the account with the problem
[18:03] <nemo> ok
[18:04] <macogw> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/932354
[18:04] <nemo> crimsun: again
[18:05] <crimsun> nemo: I mean all the information.
[18:05] <nemo> hm?
[18:05] <nemo> I ran the command you requested
[18:05] <nemo> ohhh
[18:05] <crimsun> nemo: I asked for ls -la ~/.pulse* and gst-launch-0.10 ..
[18:05] <nemo> all except for the lsof were under that account
[18:05] <nemo> the one with the problem
[18:05] <nemo> the lsof you requested as root
[18:05] <crimsun> her acct is 'fred'?
[18:05] <nemo> all the others were not run as such
[18:06] <nemo> crimsun: she's lazy. she runs under her boyfriend's account
[18:06] <crimsun> nemo: ok
[18:06] <nemo> crimsun: I've never gotten them into switching users
[18:06] <nemo> crimsun: anyway. before I switched her to alsa, was also "auto" - the sys default
[18:06] <crimsun> nemo: what about "paplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav" ?
[18:07] <nemo> crimsun: done
[18:09] <crimsun> nemo: ok, kill pulseaudio, then run it manually with pulseaudio -vv
[18:10] <crimsun> macogw: ok, that's as expected.  mythtv hogs the alsa device by doing a plughw open.
[18:10] <crimsun> macogw: s/mythtv/pulseaudio/
[18:10] <nemo> crimsun: aight
[18:10] <nemo> crimsun: guess I'd better fire up screen at this point
[18:11] <mooboo1> hmm... i updated ubuntu, then i shut off computer, and go out, then i came back, and now my computer has other fonts?
[18:11] <crimsun> macogw: so if you run pulsesink as the default GSt audiosink, then you need libflashsupport.  Have you installed that?
[18:11] <mooboo1> does anyone know this?
[18:12] <mooboo1> the fonts look now more bold and thick and more smooth and round
 congratulations, you was hacked
[18:12] <mooboo1> kyklone, :(
[18:13] <macogw> crimsun: it seems its all working right now
[18:13] <mooboo1> anyone noticed fonts is different since today?
[18:14] <macogw> crimsun: thanks
[18:15] <crimsun> macogw: after you installed libflashsuppor, correct?
[18:15] <crimsun> +t
[18:15] <Oli```> Every so often X locks up. It's just a fact of life that I'm learning to live with running on an in-development operating system. However, I'm positive that 9 times out of 10, the underlying system is fine and I just need to kill X and restart it - the problem being that X has eaten the keyboard and mouse. Would it be possible to hook up something like a USB button (other suggestions welcome) at a lower-level than X so X couldn't make them inoperable when i
[18:15] <Oli```> t dies to trigger a X-restart? Discuss...
[18:15] <macogw> crimsun: yep
[18:15] <crimsun> macogw: excellent.
[18:15] <mooboo1> Oli```, i agree
[18:15] <nemo> workmates dropped by. running crimsun's request now
[18:15] <mooboo1> Oli```, i hate when mouse and keyboard dont work and x is flacked but linux kernel works
[18:15] <macogw> Oli```: i hate that
[18:15] <nemo> crimsun: btw. would pulseaudio have dumped anything to any log files before I kill it?
[18:15] <macogw> Oli```: that's what my *real* problem is when i say "Debian Stable crashes on my computer" i think
[18:16] <mooboo1> anyone noticed that since the update today, the fonts look different?
[18:16] <Oli```> Hmm... I guess the easy alternative would be setting up an SSH server so when X does kick the bucket, I could use another computer here to kill X...
[18:16] <crimsun> nemo: possibly ~/.xsession-errors
[18:16] <Oli```> Not as cool as having a USB missile-launch button to do the same job though...
[18:18] <nemo> crimsun: nope. killing it off.
[18:19] <nemo> crimsun: piping it to tee of course :)
[18:19] <nemo> last message is Device suspend and if I try paplay again I get connection refused
[18:22] <Oli```> mooboo1: gah - I've just restarted (X chrashing) and fired up firefox and the fonts are all massive in the menus >_<
[18:23] <mooboo1> Oli```, yes, exactly and they're bold
[18:23] <mooboo1> im glad im not only one with his problem
[18:23] <mooboo1> its confusing
[18:23] <nemo> crimsun: should I attach the debug output to the bug? would it help at all?
[18:23] <macogw> as soon as OOo is fixed and i can update again, ill let you know if my fonts get jacked
[18:23] <crimsun> nemo: all of it, yes.
[18:23] <Oli```> mine aren't bold but they're a lot larger than they used to be
[18:23] <mooboo1> oh mine arent larger.. but they're bold
[18:23] <mooboo1> and they look different typefac
[18:23] <mooboo1> face
[18:24] <crimsun> nemo: I have a feeling it's the suspend (module-suspend-on-idle) kicking us in the arse
[18:24] <crimsun> nemo: or - the actual codec suspending.  For that, I'd need dmesg
[18:25] <Oli```> And why does SCIM (the kayboard layout changery thing) load on boot now?
[18:25] <nemo> crimsun: http://m8y.org/tmp/pulse.log  - output from -vv
[18:26] <nemo> crimsun: unfortunately Hardy pollutes dmesg
[18:26] <nemo> crimsun: there is a bug on the wireless driver I'm using that does that
[18:26] <nemo> crimsun: well, it is a laptop. suspend on idle could be at fault...
[18:26] <nemo> anyway. attaching those two files...
[18:28] <crimsun> nemo: lspci -nv|grep -A1 040[13]
[18:29] <crimsun> also, it's nearly time for me to go back to the conference, so I'll be scarce for the rest of the afternoon and evening
[18:29] <nemo> crimsun: done
[18:29] <nemo> crimsun: 'sok. I need to get some work done
[18:29] <nemo> thanks for your help, anyway the ALSA workaround is doing the trick
[18:30] <rambo3> new alpha?
[18:31] <kyklone> where?
[18:32] <rambo3> i just got dist upgrade ..
[18:32] <kyklone> new alpha.
[18:34] <macogw> crimsun: conference?
[18:38] <Milos_SD> is the font bug reported?
[18:41] <kyklone>  <Milos_SD> yes, see bug 47454
[18:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47454 in yelp "Fonts Too Small" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47454
[18:43] <Milos_SD> well ... here font are not small ... they are bolded, or w/o antialiasing
[18:43] <Milos_SD> :S
[18:43] <nemo> crimsun: btw. what was that lspci supposed to reveal? the thing it matched was rather cryptic
[18:44] <macogw> nemo: he went back to his conference
 wow another font bug
[18:47] <nemo> macogw: I figured. that was queued up for his return :-p
[18:48] <macogw> nemo: oh
[18:48] <mooboo1> nobody noticed fonts are different since the update today?
[18:49] <macogw> i cant update
 make a screenshot
[18:52] <mooboo1> oh
[18:52] <Oli```> mooboo1: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=717669
[18:52] <mooboo1> Oli```, thanks
[18:55] <mazzen> can anyone use his ati card under current hardy version? i have to run the vesa drivers, ati gives me a whit screen, fglrx freezes
[18:55] <mazzen> my card is a ati mobility 9600
[18:55] <macogw> they can work but there are tricks needed...something like that
[18:56] <macogw> i think PriceChild said it doesnt redraw right and you get the white screen if you switch from a console to X but not if X is still going
[18:56] <macogw> or if you screensaver's on when you come back...something like that
[18:56] <macogw> i dont remember exactly as i have a fear of ati cards :)
[18:57] <Andre_Gondim> is there any tips to do java works in hardy?
[18:57]  * J-_laptop wishes he go to hardy earlier, bug reporting <3
[18:59] <mazzen> macogw: thanks! huh! that's sounds... disillusioning ....
[18:59] <mazzen> :)
[18:59] <mazzen> Andre_Gondim: yes, install icedtea
[19:00] <Andre_Gondim> mazzen, thanks i'll try
[19:01] <TheInfinity> hmpf. alpha6 still has no xorg
[19:01] <TheInfinity> theres also no answer in launchpad on my bug report ... :/
[19:06] <J-_laptop> http://www.xshot.org/screenie/64070308 =)
[19:07] <mooboo1> TheInfinity, no xorg? wow damn thats strangte
[19:08] <TheInfinity> mooboo1: bulletproof xorg completely fails
[19:08] <mooboo1> oh
[19:08] <mooboo1> not very bulletproof then
[19:08] <mooboo1> :(
[19:09] <J-_laptop> I assume that with the updated Hardy, it turns into alpha 6 no?
[19:09] <TheInfinity> yes i just tried alpha6
[19:09] <wastrel> i have hardy
[19:09] <J-_laptop> wastrel: hardy is nice, eh? =)
[19:09] <TheInfinity> i think with nvidia css drivers it will work
[19:09] <wastrel> it's fine
[19:09] <Raspberry> brightness adjustments are still broken :P
[19:09] <Raspberry> worked until Alpha5
[19:09] <J-_laptop> Raspberry: yeah
[19:10] <J-_laptop> hmm
[19:10] <TheInfinity> but a newbie will never solve this via command line
[19:10] <Raspberry> The new Kernel changes a bunch of stuff around
[19:10] <Raspberry> with /sys instead of /proc
[19:10] <Raspberry> some of these updates should be coordinated
[19:10] <Raspberry> I know it's alpha :)
[19:11] <Raspberry> should probably have the gnome people updating the brightness adjustment behavior when pushing a new kernel and changes that change the way brightness adjustments behave :)
[19:11] <zniavre> http://www.xshot.org/screenie/65070308
[19:11] <J-_laptop> I can say that this beta is a whole lot better than Dapper. I did the same thing with installing Dapper in alpha stage. I also probably complained that I should have went to it earlier to report bugs
[19:12] <Raspberry> yeah
[19:12] <Raspberry> Gutsy is horribly buggy
[19:12] <Raspberry> I feel that the Hardy alpha is better than the Gutsy final
[19:13] <Raspberry> which is good
[19:13] <TheInfinity> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/196242 - i meant this - until now no reaction ;)
[19:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 196242 in xorg "[Hardy] bulletproof xorg fails completely with mbp rev3" [Undecided,New]
[19:13] <J-_laptop> zniavre: Man, that's a beautiful theme.
[19:13] <Raspberry> this week they fixed the bug with the gnome panel / world clock that locks the panel if you click on the date / time on the panel more than 2 or 3 times :)
[19:14] <zniavre> J-_laptop: :o)
[19:15] <Raspberry> I think the fact that Linux / Ubuntu alpha and beta testing is open to the public creates a much better "product"
[19:15] <oliver_g1> hello
[19:16] <Raspberry> before they finalize Hardy they really need to fix the dual screen desktop overlay issues in KDE4
[19:16] <oliver_g1> so, is it really necessary to put a separate "network manager editor" entry into system -> settings menu?
[19:17] <J-_laptop> Raspberry: Indeed about the Hardy alpha being better. But that's how it should work, no? Last Gutsy bugs shouldn't be plausible in Hardy as their already solved? But I guess with the releases being on a similar release to Gnome, things get messed up with the advances.
[19:17] <Raspberry> the Display functionality in System Settings knows what resolution / et al the displays are set to, but you can't get the desktops to quit laying on top of each other
[19:18] <Raspberry> I have one 1400x1050 and one 1920x1200 display... and the 1400x1050 is the primary display (laptop LVDS) and it lays right on top of the secondary 1920x1200 desktop ... with the task bar being ~2/3rds of the way down on the screen instead of at the bottom...  It's really kinda odd
[19:19] <Raspberry> I'd like to try logging into a KDE4 session with the LVDS turned off, but I can't make the call to Xrandr from the gdm screen
[19:19] <J-_laptop> hmm, I should download kde4
[19:21] <J-_laptop> !info kde4 hardy
[19:21] <ubotu> kde4 (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.3 (hardy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB
[19:22] <oliver_g1> err, wow... just noticed that there's yet another "network manager editor" icon installed, in applications -> internet...
[19:22] <h3sp4wn> Raspberry: Good luck
[19:22] <oliver_g1> now that's two icons too much
[19:23] <Andre_Gondim> !info bash
[19:23] <ubotu> bash (source: bash): The GNU Bourne Again SHell. In component main, is required. Version 3.2-0ubuntu15 (hardy), package size 551 kB, installed size 1200 kB
[19:23] <h3sp4wn> sucks bash is still priority require
[19:24] <Andre_Gondim> ውሃትስት ትሀ ማትተር ዊትህ ምይ ከይቦራር?
[19:24] <J-_laptop> ...
[19:24] <wastrel> fancy
[19:24] <wastrel> tamil?
[19:24] <LinAsH> ವೋಕೋ
[19:25] <J-_laptop> wow cool
[19:25] <wastrel> ok that's tamil
[19:25] <Raspberry> J-_laptop: the reason I moved to hardy was bugs with gutsy and the launchpad entries claiming these were fixed in hardy... only to find that they're not -- however it is good because I have been getting some major issues fixed that would have made it to launch :)
[19:25] <wastrel> so the first one is ethiopian i forget what it's called
[19:26] <tritium> h3sp4wn: bash being required is a good thing
[19:26] <wastrel> amharic?
[19:26] <h3sp4wn> tritium: Why so people don't fix their scripts to work with something provided by POSIX
[19:26] <Andre_Gondim> what's the matter with keyboard in hardy?
[19:26] <J-_laptop> Raspberry: Cool. Yeah, I do agree Gutsy is meh. Thinking about installing Hardy on my desktop too now. But that might be too far right now.
[19:26] <J-_laptop> As Hardy is in alpha stages
[19:27] <tritium> h3sp4wn: that sort of looks like a question, but it's not punctuated that way...not sure if you want me to respond
[19:27] <wastrel> gusty is fine, hardy is fine
[19:27] <wastrel> buggy still hardy
[19:27] <J-_laptop> I had to install Hardy on my new lappy to get it working proper iwth the hardware.
[19:27] <wastrel> Andre_Gondim: did you install scim?
[19:27] <J-_laptop> isn't scim already preinstalled?
[19:28] <Andre_Gondim> wastrel, come with hardy
[19:28] <h3sp4wn> tritium: I don't see the point in mandating bash when /bin/sh is dash
[19:28] <wastrel> i dunno i thought you had to install it.  you did in gusty
[19:28] <nanonyme> h3sp4wn, seconded
[19:28] <h3sp4wn> tritium: perhaps mandate a ksh alternative
[19:28] <h3sp4wn> (and use POSIX ksh scripts)
[19:28] <tritium> h3sp4wn: bash is the de-facto standard.  I don't really care, however.
[19:29] <nanonyme> it's only de-facto for bash users
[19:29] <h3sp4wn> POSIX is the standard
[19:29] <nanonyme> not for the rest of the world
[19:29] <Raspberry> SCIM is now preinstalled
[19:29] <Raspberry> and annoying :)
[19:29] <h3sp4wn> (least common denominator that everybody uses)
[19:29] <wastrel> dash is sh-er than bash
[19:29] <wastrel> sh-ier, even
[19:30] <wastrel> annoying yes.  since htere's no easy way to turn it off
[19:31] <wastrel> and it's got secret activation keys that you can hit accidentally
[19:31] <wastrel> and suddenly your'e typing amharic!
[19:31] <wastrel> also it was buggy in gusty.  crashed, locked up keyboard.
[19:32] <wastrel> dunno in hardy haven't tried it yet
[19:32] <h3sp4wn> It was annoying in kde for me for a time
[19:32] <h3sp4wn> a few years ago
[19:33] <GhotiPhud> I end up typing in Latex all the time
[19:34] <GhotiPhud> ah ha
[19:34] <GhotiPhud> I figured out a way to make the SCIM thing go away
[19:34] <makaveli8> hey guys, i'm tryin to get acrobat 7 pro working on ubuntu, i tried both wine and crossover office. anyone actually successful?
[19:35] <macogw> anyone having massive failure with brasero? ive made 3 coasters in the last 5 minutes
[19:35] <GhotiPhud> haven't tried it
[19:35] <Raspberry> I used k3b
[19:35] <GhotiPhud> me too
[19:36] <macogw> im gonna try gnomebaker then
[19:37] <J-_laptop> macogw: while in Gutsy I made coasters too. I tried making an iso and didn't completely work. I just use nautilus to do that now.
[19:37]  * J-_laptop notes the +1
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> Any recommendations for what to put in a bug report about - Sun Type 6 USB keyboards being broken
[19:37] <GhotiPhud> I'm running Gnome, but I find K3b to work the best
[19:38] <wastrel> in gusty i'm completely unable to burn a cd
[19:39] <wastrel> i made 6 or 7 coasters the otehr day before i gave up and used hardy
[19:39] <wastrel> might be my hardware iono
[19:40] <makaveli8> any ideas on how to get acrobat 7 pro working on ubuntu? tried google, tried wine and crossover office
[19:40] <savvas> wastrel: what app are you using?
[19:40] <savvas> makaveli8: virtualbox
[19:40] <h3sp4wn> makaveli8: use pdflatex
[19:41] <macogw> h3sp4wn: hehe that only helps if he's willing to learn LaTeX
[19:41] <macogw> but OOo makes PDF's naturally...why do you need Acro Pro?
[19:41] <makaveli8> pdflatex?
[19:41] <zeno____> how do i tell if i have direct rendering?
[19:41] <makaveli8> virtualbox seems like a lot of work jus for acrobat
[19:41] <savvas> zeno____: glxinfo | grep -i direct
[19:41] <macogw> zeno____: glxinfo | grep direct
[19:42] <zeno____> thanks
[19:42] <savvas> :P
[19:42] <J-_laptop> LaTeX would be nice. Probably the best thing to do instead of learning how to use OOo
[19:42] <macogw> hahaha
[19:42] <macogw> LaTeX's all i use
[19:42] <J-_laptop> I haven't delved into that realm yet. >.>
[19:42] <macogw> my sysadmin prof was all O_o wtf when i said "heh using LaTeX makes it really easy to take a chunk of a beamer presentation and turn it into a pdf page of its own
[19:43] <makaveli8> lol
[19:43] <zeno____> makaveli8: what do you need acrobat for? ( i remember it being horribly slow)
[19:43] <savvas> makaveli8: why do you need adobe acrobat?
[19:43] <J-_laptop> macogw: haha nice
[19:43] <savvas> man, I'm psychic today, I'll go buy me a lottery ticket :P
[19:44] <makaveli8> zeno, i use it for university lectures
[19:44] <macogw> but..for what?
[19:44] <macogw> what task
[19:44] <makaveli8> all notes are posted in pdf form, i constantly add comments to it
[19:44] <macogw> in what format do you type the notes?
[19:44] <macogw> if you do it in OOo, it has a PDF export button
[19:44] <J-_laptop> I thought the default pdf reader did notes too
[19:45] <macogw> and CUPS-PDF lets you print anything from any app as a PDF
[19:45] <makaveli8> its very limited, not as flexible as acrobat
[19:45] <savvas> hm.. acrobat reader adds nots doesn't it?
[19:45] <makaveli8> no
[19:45] <makaveli8> jus reads
[19:45] <J-_laptop> OOo export to pdf is nice to as macogw said
[19:45] <macogw> wait when did Nautilus burner stop being able to burn at 2x? 9.4x is the lowest speed i'm offered now
[19:45] <nemo> J-_laptop: yeah. I'm a fan
[19:45] <nemo> J-_laptop: I like the fact it allows forms
[19:45] <makaveli8> 00o exports to pdf
[19:46] <savvas> wastrel: try using brasero or k3b
[19:46] <macogw> nemo: too bad we dont have a way to *fill in* forms
[19:46] <nemo> although. gnome *does* have a "print to pdf" option
[19:46] <makaveli8> but i have it in pdf form, and wnat to add comment boxes on top
[19:46] <h3sp4wn> macogw: I don't know loads about it but writing pages of calculations in the oo equation editor (or ms for that matter) is massively painful
[19:46] <nemo> macogw: yes. Adobe does tightly control that one
[19:46] <macogw> h3sp4wn: which is why i do everything in LaTeX :P
[19:46] <nemo> macogw: of course, it isn't a very reliable feature. Adobe has like 2 official ways of doing it, and there are some unofficial ones too
[19:46] <makaveli8> i heard acrobat 5 works perfectly, but i cant seem to find it anywhere since its rather old
[19:46] <macogw> makaveli8: oh...hmm :-/
[19:46] <h3sp4wn> macogw: I did one line before switching it to latex
[19:46] <makaveli8> no where on newsgroups, or torrents
[19:46] <nemo> macogw: I usually just dump the filled in form to another postscript or PDF :-/
[19:47] <makaveli8> anyone know of any ftps :)?
[19:47] <nemo> macogw: single copy
[19:47] <makaveli8> or willing to upload? i'd pay :P
[19:47] <macogw> nemo: but i cant fill it in in general. evince doesnt let you fill it in at all. printing to pdf would be dandy if i could get text into the lines to start with
[19:47] <macogw> savvas: was that at me since i talked about Nautilus?
[19:48] <macogw> savvas: Brasero made 3 coasters and GnomeBaker just made one too so i'm trying nautilus now
[19:48] <savvas> macogw: no, wastrel wanted something before :)
[19:48] <macogw> nautilus has gotten much further than the rest
[19:48] <macogw> oh ok
[19:48] <J-_laptop> Nautilus is quite nice
[19:48] <makaveli8> anyone? a link or access to it would be appreciated, i'd even pay
[19:48] <nemo> macogw: huh?
[19:48] <J-_laptop> for burning and everything else that is
[19:48] <nemo> macogw: evince allows form editing
[19:49] <nemo> macogw: so does adobe reader actually
[19:49] <nemo> macogw: what version of evince are you using?
[19:49] <nemo> heck. it worked in ubuntu gutsy's version
[19:49] <J-_laptop> 'what the heck, I knew it! I seen the damn iotion before with evince. =P
[19:49] <savvas> makaveli8: you could've set up a windows virtual machine in virtualbox by now :)
[19:49] <J-_laptop> option*
[19:49] <makaveli8> ya but doens't virtualbox run rather slow and laggy?
[19:50] <nemo> macogw: although, I admit for PDF of images I often import into GIMP, then save as an XCF with text field overlays :)
[19:50] <savvas> no makaveli8, it's rather fast and quite fine if you have memory to spare
[19:50] <savvas> I use 512mb and it's great
[19:50] <makaveli8> got 3 gigs in the laptop, is that enough for both ubuntu and virtual box?
[19:50] <makaveli8> oh only 512?
[19:51] <nemo> makaveli8: windows can run fine in 512 so long as you aren't doing too much with it
[19:51] <Andre_Gondim> may i uninstall scim?
[19:51] <nemo> makaveli8: don't install antivirus or anything :)
[19:51] <makaveli8> ok, i jus need it for acrobat
[19:51] <makaveli8> so guess i'll do that then
[19:52] <macogw> nemo: really? i dont think it did forms on gutsy....
[19:52] <macogw> makaveli8: vbox is faster than vmware
[19:52] <makaveli8> ok
[19:53] <makaveli8> 512mb is enough?
[19:56] <macogw> yeah
[19:56] <macogw> i had XP running on 192MB :P
[19:56] <macogw> that was painful
[19:56] <macogw> but it worked
[19:57]  * h3sp4wn wonder if paravirtualised vmware is faster (couldn't care less about windows anyway)
[19:57] <J-_laptop> when I got this lappy I should have asked levono not to ship the lappy with Vista on it, and seen if they would have dropped hte price.
[19:58] <oliver_g1> anyone here has Hardy installed but never started evolution so far?
[19:58] <Raspberry> I've never started Evolution
[19:58] <macogw> J-_laptop: the site says vista home $0, vista business: add $xx, suse linux enterprise desktop: subtract $89
[19:58] <macogw> oliver_g1: ive never started evolution. i hate it.
[19:58] <J-_laptop> macogw: I didn't have that option as I'm Canadian, and went to the canadian part of the site to purchase it.
[19:59] <macogw> J-_laptop: when you go to configure some of the laptops.  the R61i was one of them when i looked
[19:59] <macogw> oh
[19:59] <oliver_g1> could you start Evo, for test? For me, it came up with a "welcome" assistant, and the window is too large for my 1024x786 screen :-)
[19:59] <oliver_g1> could you test if it comes up that big for you as well?
[19:59] <J-_laptop> I have a R61e too so that might have been the problem
[20:00] <J-_laptop> although Hardy runs quite dandy on it
[20:00] <macogw> how do i start it
[20:00] <macogw> clicking the clock doesnt start it
[20:00] <oliver_g1> macogw: I used Applications -> Internet -> Evolution
[20:00] <macogw> oh got it
[20:00] <macogw> oliver_g1: oh i dont have that anymore
[20:00] <macogw> i dont have much in my menus
[20:00] <macogw> clicking on thngs in the menu opened it
[20:01] <macogw> well the welcome screen fits on my screen, but i dont use 1024x768 because my lappy is widescreen
[20:01] <oliver_g1> macogw: how big would estimate the dialog?
[20:01] <oliver_g1> (I sense a bug report coming up :)
[20:01] <macogw> about 600px high
[20:01] <Raspberry> this npviewer is really causing problems
[20:01] <oliver_g1> height is ok, but it's too wide
[20:02] <oliver_g1> the "Next ->" button isn't even visible
[20:02] <oliver_g1> have to move the dialog to see it
[20:02] <Raspberry> they've changed the default font in Alpha6
[20:02] <oliver_g1> Raspberry: what is npviewer?
[20:02] <Raspberry> npviewer is the flashplugin stuff for Firefox I believe
[20:02] <macogw> 679x567 when i cropped to that size on a screenshot in gimp
[20:02] <J-_laptop> Will I be affected by the alpha 6 changes since I installed using alpha 5?
[20:03] <macogw> should fit on 1024x768 just fine
[20:03] <oliver_g1> macogw: well ok then
[20:03] <macogw> J-_laptop: of course
[20:03] <J-_laptop> I'm guessing updating would do so
[20:03] <macogw> J-_laptop: just install updates and youll be alpha6 level
[20:03] <J-_laptop> makes sense =)
[20:04] <oliver_g1> macogw: ok, just found this with xprop:
[20:04] <oliver_g1> WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
[20:04] <oliver_g1>                 program specified minimum size: 1467 by 595
[20:04] <oliver_g1> 1467 is a bit too wide :-)
[20:05] <macogw> haha but my screen is 1280x800
[20:05] <macogw> so that shouldnt fit on mine either
[20:05] <oliver_g1> macogw: do you have the dialog still open?
[20:06] <oliver_g1> is so, go into terminal and run "xprop | grep size", the click on the dialog
[20:06] <macogw> oliver_g1: lemme try
[20:06] <macogw> oliver_g1: program specified minimum size: 665 by 534
[20:07] <oliver_g1> macogw: now that's weird :-)
[20:07] <oliver_g1> wait..
[20:08] <oliver_g1> macogw: what language do you use on your system?
[20:08] <macogw> english
[20:08] <macogw> US
[20:08] <oliver_g1> woohooo
[20:08] <oliver_g1> macogw: that's it
[20:09] <macogw> what language are you using? one with REALLY LONG words for what is short in english?
[20:09] <oliver_g1> macogw: I use german - the language with XXL words :-D
[20:09] <macogw> oooo
[20:09] <J-_laptop> engrish here. =D
[20:09] <oliver_g1> that kinda explain, huh?
[20:09] <anolis> hey how do i get rid of this annoying SCIM thing that appears if i press shift and space at the same time, i don't want it on my computer
[20:09] <macogw> japanese and chinese must get super small windows then...
[20:10] <oliver_g1> well, in this case it's probably not the language itself, but a missing linebreak somewhere I would guess
[20:11] <J-_laptop> anolis: right click on it. I forget what I did, it was either I right clicked chose preferences, and unchecked all languages, or I fooled around with the language support in the menu
[20:11] <h3sp4wn> What did they do to GNU Chess to make it suck ?
[20:11] <h3sp4wn> (for gnome chess)
[20:11] <anolis> yea.. seems pretty useless.. whats the point of it
[20:11] <h3sp4wn> in terms of playing badly
[20:11] <oliver_g1> anyone here know a _comfortable_ way to edit already-installed translation files?
[20:13] <anolis> yay its gone
[20:13] <anolis> thanks
[20:13] <J-_laptop> Glad it helped
[20:16] <macogw> doh! figured out the problem.  Backtrack 3 is 701MB.  CDs are 700MB
[20:16] <J-_laptop> ...
[20:16] <J-_laptop> :|
[20:17] <J-_laptop> they had to add one mb. hehehe
[20:17] <oliver_g1> macogw: and the burn app doesn't detect that??
[20:17] <macogw> why is the beta over 700MB? bahh
[20:18] <macogw> oliver_g1: not before i start...waits til it coasters
[20:18] <oliver_g1> macogw: ouch :-(
[20:19] <macogw> at Shmoocon they gave out hacking toolkit live disks that had some mp3's on them too so you can listen while you hack i guess...and no mp3 decoders
[20:20] <pkh> i've got a problem with firefox3b3 on hardy that doesn't make any sense to me.  I'm using a mobile-broadband modem and have setup ppp0.  If I run ff it can't find the network (I've checked all the settings and they seem fine -- no proxy etc.) but if I install and run swiftfox (3b4 based) then it works.  is there a hidden setting somewhere that might be causing this?
[20:21] <oliver_g1> oh well... did you ever notice in nautilus the menu point Edit -> Backgrounds & Emblems?
[20:21] <oliver_g1> just looked there, and seen a window I've never seen before
[20:21] <pkh> is this the right place?  might be ff problem, but also might be deb config issue...
[20:21] <h3sp4wn> a
[20:22] <macogw> oliver_g1: yeah thats been there
[20:22] <oliver_g1> macogw: yes, but apparently nobody actually uses it - at least, half of the emblem icons are broken :-D
[20:23] <macogw> the background thing is just weird
[20:23] <macogw> if you could set a different background for each directory it might make sense
[20:23] <SeveredCross> And you have to just accept that fact. :)
[20:23] <SeveredCross> And you have to just accept that fact. :)
[20:23] <SeveredCross> Woopsie.
[20:23] <SeveredCross> Wrong button. <__>
[20:23] <oliver_g1> pkh: does internet work if you try if with some other app (like ping?)
[20:24] <pkh> yep, this works (xchat) wget curl, samba, etc, etc, etc
[20:24] <oliver_g1> pkh: also, under System -> Adminstration -> Network Diagnosis (?) there are some more tools
[20:24] <pkh> only ff3b3
[20:24] <oliver_g1> ah ok
[20:24] <oliver_g1> maybe an MTU problem?
[20:25] <oliver_g1> what does FF does when it fails?
[20:25] <macogw> pkh: the proxy settings in ff?
[20:25] <pkh> that's what's weird, _everything else_ is perfect, just ff...
[20:25] <pkh> hang on i'll look
[20:25] <gj> anyone here using ubuntu hardy on a hp laptop??
[20:25] <oliver_g1> does it keep loading, or is there an error message?
[20:26] <gilster32> is there something going on today with updates. i cant get anything to work or connect on the canada server
[20:26] <pkh> immediate (i.e. no net timeout) "page load error"
[20:26] <pkh> oh bugger
[20:26] <pkh> it was in 'offline mode'
[20:26] <pkh> :)
[20:26] <oliver_g1> :-D
[20:26] <pkh> now working perfectly!!!
[20:26] <oliver_g1> eh...
[20:26] <gj>  anyone here using ubuntu hardy on a hp laptop??
[20:26] <SeveredCross> :)
[20:27] <SeveredCross> gj: Can't say I am. Can't say I'd EVER buy HP.
[20:27] <oliver_g1> FF says "load error" instead of "duh - you're offline"?
[20:27] <SeveredCross> After following Planet Gnome long enough to see all the trouble people have with them.
[20:27] <pkh> uh huh
[20:27] <pkh> never understood 'offline mode'
[20:27] <oliver_g1> SeveredCross: wrong channel?
[20:27] <SeveredCross> oliver_g1: Hrm?
[20:27] <pkh> what on earth can you do with a browser if you're offline anyway?  and how is clicking the button going to help...
[20:27] <SeveredCross> In regards to my earlier messages? Yes.
[20:28] <SeveredCross> pkh: Cached pages might work?
[20:28] <pkh> ah, that makes sense i guess.
[20:28] <SeveredCross> No idea though, never tried it.
[20:28] <SeveredCross> I really think today might be a staff holiday here at the lab.
[20:29] <h3sp4wn> pkh: look at cached pages or downloaded flash games maybe, web development on a train
[20:29] <h3sp4wn> there is a few use cases
[20:29] <gj> no one else using hp laptop here?
[20:29] <h3sp4wn> I am
[20:29] <oliver_g1> ok, now I got curious... What exactly is the Emblems sidebar in nautilus good for??
[20:30] <h3sp4wn> (and a thinkpad X31) 8710w
[20:30] <gj> u got heating problems? h3sp4wn?
[20:30] <h3sp4wn> Fan seems to be on more than it should be recently
[20:31] <gj> me 2...you use acpi or apm?
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> Its not hot to the touch (by any stretch)
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> acpi
[20:31] <h3sp4wn> quadro 1600m (with its powermizer thing)
[20:32] <gj> ok.. it used to be no problem to use the laptop on my lap without overheating..not any more
[20:32] <gilster32> are the update servers in canada down?
[20:32] <gilster32> i am getting nothing here
[20:32] <gj> so powermizer is a daemon?
[20:32] <h3sp4wn> No its part of the nvidia drivers
[20:33] <gj> ok..i got ati
[20:33] <h3sp4wn> No actually it is pretty damn hot
[20:33] <GhotiPhud> what is yours running at?
[20:33] <h3sp4wn> because the cpu is at full speed :/
[20:33] <h3sp4wn> 2.4ghz right now
[20:33] <gj> i think im gonna try apm see if it runs cooler then
[20:34] <h3sp4wn> because of some evolution-data crap
[20:34] <gilster32> r the repos down?
[20:34] <gilster32> anyone?
[20:34] <GhotiPhud> download computertemp from the repos
[20:34] <gj> i dont have an application yet showing cpu speed which are u using?
[20:34] <GhotiPhud> and see what temp your laptop is running at
[20:34] <h3sp4wn> /proc/cpuinfo
[20:34] <gj> that one works for intel?
[20:35] <oliver_g1> gilster32: maybe try a different mirror for now?
[20:35] <GhotiPhud> you can add temp and cpu speed applets to your panel
[20:35] <h3sp4wn> It works for everything shows current mhz
[20:35] <gj> ok let me do that brb
[20:35] <h3sp4wn> No python junk for me for the sake of it
[20:36] <GhotiPhud> just to get the temp
[20:36] <h3sp4wn> I can setup lmsensors
[20:37] <GhotiPhud> oh, okay,   run  acpi -V
[20:37] <GhotiPhud> that'll give you all the same data
[20:37] <gilster32> oliver_gl: how do is set that up in hardy. i dont see the sources icon anymore.
[20:37] <h3sp4wn> 53 43 27 30 50(active)
[20:37] <h3sp4wn> 45
[20:38] <h3sp4wn> (I need to serial console my router so that laptop is not online unless I switch the cable)_
[20:38] <GhotiPhud> this is what I get " Thermal 1: ok, 38.0 degrees C"
[20:38] <nemo> hm. the beta freeze is only a few days away?
[20:38] <nemo> interesting
[20:39] <h3sp4wn> GhotiPhud: I have the same for thermals 1 -> 6
[20:39] <h3sp4wn> (The reason why mine was hot then was that evolution data thing maxing a cpu at 100%)
[20:39] <GhotiPhud> ah
[20:39] <GhotiPhud> okay
[20:39] <gj> GhotiPHud, i installed computertemp..../proc/cpuinfo command not found
[20:40] <GhotiPhud> found another way to get it
[20:40] <h3sp4wn> (But the above data) Its not an issue I don't think
[20:40] <GhotiPhud> run acpi -V
[20:40] <GhotiPhud> just curious how hot it's running
[20:41] <gj> i use apm now instead of acpi
[20:41] <h3sp4wn> I am not sure how reliable the monitoring of such things is
[20:41] <gj> so cant do acpi -V
[20:41] <GhotiPhud> yeah
[20:42] <h3sp4wn> (I have had motherboards that after a bios update change the readings by 10 C)
[20:42] <nemo> you can check your chip/mobo info to get a feel for accuracy
[20:42] <GhotiPhud> interesting
[20:42] <nemo> my vals come off of the chip and over 8 years or so, well, seem pretty ccurate
[20:43] <nemo> # cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[20:43] <nemo> temperature:             47 C
[20:43] <oliver_g1> gilster32: the software sources icon was accidentally not installed on new Hardy installations :-/
[20:43] <h3sp4wn> This was from an athlon x2 providing it from the chip theoretically
[20:43] <GhotiPhud>  No such file or directory
[20:43] <GhotiPhud> lol
[20:44] <h3sp4wn> above 65 C I guess I wouild be worried
[20:44] <nemo> GhotiPhud: your thermal zones will vary :-p
[20:44] <J-_laptop> nemo: will that work with almost all if not all computers?
[20:44] <oliver_g1> gilster32: you can manually download it from packages.ubuntu.com, though
[20:44] <nemo> J-_laptop: if ACPI is enabled there will be something in there. it might even have a temperature entry that might even have a non-zero value :)
[20:44] <GhotiPhud> haha
[20:44] <oliver_g1> gilster32: install this one: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/python-software-properties and this one: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/software-properties-gtk
[20:44] <nemo> # find /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ -name temperature -exec cat {} \; -print
[20:44] <nemo> temperature:             47 C
[20:44] <nemo> /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[20:45] <nemo> that might work better
[20:45] <J-_laptop> nemo: hmm, so what command should I do first?
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> Yeah I have 5 directories in there
[20:45] <nemo> I only have one
[20:45] <nemo> and mine *is* off the chip, and AMD had a pretty good rep with it
[20:45] <nemo> chip temp is probably the most important :)
[20:45] <GhotiPhud> mine's giving the exact same as the little applet
[20:45] <h3sp4wn> with zsh - cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/**/temperature
[20:45] <nemo> unsurprising
[20:46] <nemo> GhotiPhud: applet probably reads same val :)
[20:46] <GhotiPhud> true
[20:46] <nemo> h3sp4wn: heh. I wasn't positive about the directory structure ;)
[20:46] <J-_laptop>      Battery 1: charged, 97%
[20:46] <J-_laptop>      Thermal 1: ok, 40.0 degrees C
[20:46] <J-_laptop>      Thermal 2: ok, 39.0 degrees C
[20:46] <J-_laptop>   AC Adapter 1: on-line
[20:46] <J-_laptop> neat
[20:46] <h3sp4wn> dunno if bash does **
[20:46] <nemo> # cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/*/temperature
[20:46] <J-_laptop> is that too hot?
[20:46] <nemo> that'll work in bash too, if only one dir down
[20:46] <GhotiPhud> no, that's pretty cool
[20:46] <J-_laptop> nice
[20:46] <gj> any way to figure out cpu temp when using apm??
[20:47] <nemo> hm. bash does do **
[20:47] <GhotiPhud> I think if my hard drive is spun down and all things are on their lowest powerstates I get around 32 C
[20:48] <nemo> J-_laptop: I spent a lot of timing poking around in /proc when I was figuring out how to do something fun with the USB snowman my SO bought me for Xmas
[20:48] <J-_laptop> i can't believe the battery is charged 97%, the darn thing has been plugged in all day
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> nemo: does it do the same thing (matching one or more dirs)
[20:48] <nemo> J-_laptop: I was like. ok... you plug it in, switch it on and it makes robot noises with a moving LED... hm.
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> J-_laptop: Mine says 97% also
[20:48] <h3sp4wn> (and has not been used on battery for weeks)
[20:48] <nemo> J-_laptop: was more fun to use the new kernel APIs to power on/off the port it is on :)
[20:49] <GhotiPhud> haha
[20:49] <GhotiPhud> try to spook anyone?
[20:49] <nemo> J-_laptop: ... unfortunately I had to buy a USB hub to do that, since my machine's ports did not support selective powering
[20:49] <J-_laptop> cool
[20:49] <nemo> GhotiPhud: I used it as a computer alert.
[20:49] <bratsche> When I run "update-manager -d" then at some point the update-manager seems to just stop.  It ceases to repaint the window, and top tells me it's using 0% cpu (not sure if there's a better way to tell if it's actually still running).
[20:49] <GhotiPhud> that's fun too
[20:49] <J-_laptop> nemo: crap I wonder if mine are powered. son of a gun...
[20:49] <J-_laptop> I have a hug anyway
[20:49] <J-_laptop> well that too but a hub
[20:50] <h3sp4wn> Surely someone here uses a sun keyboard ? (They are great) dunno what Ubuntu does to break meta though
[20:50] <nemo> if [ $1 == off ] then /home/nemo/bin/hub-ctrl -h 0 -p 0
[20:50] <bratsche> Anyone know if that's normal, or what should I do?
[20:50] <nemo> that kind of thing
[20:50] <J-_laptop> cool
[20:50] <GhotiPhud> bratsche: I don't think that's normal
[20:51] <bratsche> GhotiPhud: Should I try to update using apt-get instead then?
[20:51] <nemo> J-_laptop: ... and everyone needs a hug. glad you have one.
[20:51] <GhotiPhud> if I ever have problems I usually Ctl+Alt+F1 and do apt-get
[20:52] <bratsche> So what, "apt-get --dist-upgrade" or something?
[20:52] <GhotiPhud> "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[20:52] <bratsche> Err.. yeah, that's what I meant.
[20:52] <GhotiPhud> apt-get update first
[20:52] <bratsche> Nobody else has seen the update-manager freeze like this?
[20:53] <GhotiPhud> I've frozen my computer while updating
[20:53] <GhotiPhud> not quite the same
[20:53]  * J-_laptop huggles nemo
[20:54] <amikrop> yelp ghelp:foo gives an "invalid url" error
[20:54] <amikrop> why?
[20:55] <nemo> amikrop: that doesn't seem unique to hardy
[20:57] <nemo> I imagine that is because it doesn't exist...
[20:57] <amikrop> nemo: It used to work once, as I can recall.
[20:57] <nemo> they may consider a non-existent document to be "invalid"
[20:57] <amikrop> The main links in the yelp "frontpage" are "broken" (if I may borrow this terms from the web).
[20:58] <nemo> yelp ghelp:gcalctool
[20:58] <nemo> seems to work
[20:58] <amikrop> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/138770
[20:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138770 in yelp "fails to open valid links" [Medium,Triaged]
[20:58] <nemo> mm
[20:59] <amikrop> yelp ghelp:desktop-effects
[21:00] <h3sp4wn> Ironic that the most useless key on this keyboard works (the help key)
[21:00] <oliver_g1> h3sp4wn: well, if it works, it should help you, no?
[21:00] <oliver_g1> :-D
[21:00] <amikrop> Also, I don't know if this has any correlation with the fact that since I upgraded to Gutsy (and then to Hardy), I don't have the "About Ubuntu" menu option in the System menu.
[21:01] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g1: Gnome help ?
[21:01] <amikrop> It disappeared.
[21:02] <oliver_g1> h3sp4wn: if the help button works, it should be able to help you get the other keys to work. But if it doesn't help you, it obviously doesn't work
[21:02] <oliver_g1> duh, it's logic ;)
[21:03] <oliver_g1> amikrop: yes, it seems they sometimes loose some icons during upgrade :-/
[21:03] <oliver_g1> amikrop: I suppose upgrading is just not reliable - if I can, better do a reinstall
[21:03] <h3sp4wn> oliver_g1: Not the logic I am used to unfortunately
[21:04] <oliver_g1> ah, ok... you indeed have to get used to the logic I use...
[21:14] <amikrop> oliver_g1: indeed
[21:15] <amikrop> Actually, in /usr/share/applications I can see the "About Ubuntu" launcher (ubuntu-about.desktop) and the icon is fine.
[21:15] <amikrop> When I run it, though, there is a "yelp ghelp:foo - invalid location" problem.
[21:16] <amikrop> Does anybody know how can I put it back to the menu?
[21:16] <oliver_g1> amikrop: maybe create a new user (temporarily) and see if it appears there correctly?
[21:17] <amikrop> (e.g. by copying the launcher to a special directory, or by setting a configuration file)
[21:17] <amikrop> oliver_g1: I have done it. It does not appear.
[21:17] <J-_laptop> man, the network monitor applet for gnome-panel rocks!
[21:18] <amikrop> So, can I put it back to the System menu, e.g. by copying the launcher to a special directory, or by setting a configuration file?
[21:24] <oliver_g1> amikrop: ubuntu-about.desktop comes from the gnome-panel-data package... Maybe try reinstalling that pkg, and also related gnome-panel-* pkgs?
[21:25] <fir3_> hi
[21:26] <amikrop> oliver_g1: Thanks, I will.
[21:27] <fir3_> i heard that pulseaudio is now activated, but i didn't try the alphas yet. how well does pulseaudio work with standard apps/oss games?
[21:27] <h3sp4wn> Not as well as OSS
[21:27] <h3sp4wn> from opensound (given the last oss is for OSS)
[21:28] <fir3_> so, playing quake with pulseaudio is not possible yet?
[21:28] <amikrop> oliver_g1: Done. Nothing changed. Do I need an X restart?
[21:28] <fir3_> yep
[21:28] <oliver_g1> amikrop: yes, try logging out and back in
[21:28] <h3sp4wn> fir3_: You can use it - to say it just works with all apps would by lying though
[21:29] <oliver_g1> h3sp4wn: what doesn't work at the moment?
[21:29] <fir3_> h3sp4wn: if it works with one oss app it should work with the most, which did you try?
[21:30] <h3sp4wn> UT2004
[21:30] <h3sp4wn> works alot better with 4front oss than anything else
[21:31] <fir3_> i get the feeling that pulseaudio won't fix the audio mess on linux :/
[21:32] <DanaG> I find OSSto be confusing.  I can handle the ALSAmixers, but OSSis a mystery.
[21:32] <DanaG> (wondering where my spaces went?  SCIMate them.)
[21:34] <amikrop> oliver_g1: Done. No success.
[21:34] <oliver_g1> amikrop: :-(
[21:34] <amikrop> oliver_g1: Anyway, thanks a lot :-)
[21:34] <oliver_g1> amikrop: which icons do you have in the System menu?
[21:35] <amikrop> I really appreciate that you try to help me :)
[21:35] <oliver_g1> amikrop: no prob
[21:35] <amikrop> Preferences, Administration, Help and Support, About GNOME, Quit
[21:36] <oliver_g1> amikrop: so "yelp ghelp:about-ubuntu" doesn't work?
[21:38] <amikrop> oliver_g1: nope
[21:39] <oliver_g1> amikrop: well then maybe the help files are not correctly installed or registered; and that goes into the realm of Scrollkeeper, which is quite dead and unmaintained anyway...
[21:39] <oliver_g1> amikrop: so, now idea here
[21:39] <oliver_g1> amikrop: how important is that functionality for you? :-)
[21:40] <amikrop> oliver_g1: OK. Let's hope it is an upgrade problem, and it will be solved if I install the stable Hardy (in April) by a CD. Thank you, again.
[21:40] <Infecto> i have ups in
[21:40] <Infecto> [   28.920639] sysfs: duplicate filename 'pcspkr' can not be created
[21:40] <Infecto> [   28.920643] WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/fs/sysfs/dir.c:424 sysfs_add_one()
[21:40] <Infecto> [   28.920648] Pid: 2935, comm: modprobe Not tainted 2.6.24-11-generic #1
[21:40] <Infecto> [   28.920663]  [<c01d39bf>] sysfs_add_one+0x9f/0xe0
[21:40] <Infecto> something familiar?
[21:40] <Infecto> known bug?
[21:40] <oliver_g1> amikrop: yes, in the Hardy alpha 5 I installed it works
[21:41] <amikrop> :-)
[21:43] <gordonjcp> hello
[21:43] <Ng> is anyone seeing very bad panel behaviour atm?
[21:43] <gordonjcp> is there a way to install firefox 2 with java in Hardy?
[21:44] <gordonjcp> installing the j2re plugin installs a broken version of ff3
[21:46] <DanaG> Damn you, SCIM! SCIMkeeps eating my spaces after CAPITALletters.
[21:48] <J-_laptop> DanaG: disable it
[21:49] <tomd123> So I right click-> eject on my ipod icon on the desktop and it says unable to mount media, there may be no media in the drive, and it removes the icon but the ipod is still not disconnected, the only way to disconnect it safely is to do eject /dev/sdb through the command line, any ideas or is this a bug in alpha6?>
[21:49] <DanaG> But I like SCIM.  It lets me do things like this:
[21:49] <DanaG> I R ⋙ U.
[21:49] <DanaG> Stuff like that.
[21:49] <J-_laptop> >>> woah
[21:50] <J-_laptop> i only seen I R >>>U
[21:50] <J-_laptop> the arrows closer together
[21:50] <tomd123> wow he used 3 >
[21:50] <DanaG> It's the "Latex" input method.  Hit backslash and see what pops up.  It's a "much greater than" symbol.
[21:50] <oliver_g1> hmm, now if SCIM would offer an "emoticon" input mode... that would be cool ;-) :-D :-)
[21:50] <J-_laptop> nice
[21:51] <DanaG> ANother funny one is this:  ⋚
[21:51] <oliver_g1> undecided?
[21:51] <J-_laptop> haha
[21:52] <DanaG> Roads in USA: ⋚--------------⋚     Many other places:  ⋛------------⋛
[21:53] <oliver_g1> DanaG: you're from UK?
[21:53] <DanaG> USA, actually.
[21:53] <nemo> hm
[21:54] <nemo> I wish I was back under Linux where the fonts weren't crap :-/
[21:54] <oliver_g1> DanaG: well ok... it's just that "Roads mostly everywhere: ⋚--------------⋚  UK and some friends: ⋛------------⋛"
[21:54] <nemo> my windows font sucketh at unicode
[21:54] <nemo> (and I'm stuck in putty.exe until this copy completes)
[21:54] <oliver_g1> nemo: there was a font update today, now fonts under Hardy are crap as well :-)
[21:54] <nemo> heh
[21:55] <nemo> oliver_g1: http://m8y.org/js/chess.xhtml <- I'm a fan of James Kass'  complete unicode font
[21:55] <nemo> oliver_g1: it even has tengwar!
[21:55] <nemo> ... yes, tengwar isn't official yet
[21:55] <oliver_g1> (ok, Unicode still works, but crisp Bitstream Vera has been replaced by the Linux-usual blurry font)
[21:55] <nemo> oliver_g1: http://m8y.org/tmp/tengwarkbd.html
[21:56] <nemo> oliver_g1: hm. and you can't switch it back or rebuild the font db?
[21:56] <nemo> guess I'll find out when I get home
[21:56] <oliver_g1> nemo: dunno... I guess it's mean to look this way...
[21:56] <gordonjcp> argh
[21:56] <gordonjcp> firefox 3 is hopeless
[21:56] <nemo> gordonjcp: ?
[21:56] <oliver_g1> maybe the artwork ppl have other ideas about fonts :-/
[21:56] <nemo> oliver_g1: you *are* able to override fonts you know :-p
[21:57] <nemo> no matter what "artwork" people think
[21:57] <oliver_g1> at work everybody is still using Luxi Sans (from RHEL4 times) which looks _really_ bad
[21:57] <nemo> ick
[21:57] <gordonjcp> oliver_g1: nightmare
[21:57] <oliver_g1> yes
[21:57] <nemo> gordonjcp: ??
[21:57] <gordonjcp> nemo: you must remember Luxi Sans
[21:57] <oliver_g1> nemo: I could change it, but I'd rather have sane fonts per default
[21:57] <gordonjcp> "Hinting, who needs hinting?"
[21:57] <nemo> 16:56 < gordonjcp> firefox 3 is hopeless
[21:57] <nemo> 16:56 < nemo> gordonjcp: ?
[21:57] <oliver_g1> :-D
[21:57]  * nemo prods gordonjcp again
[21:58]  * DanaG throws a(n) ✈ at somebody, randomly.
[21:58] <DanaG> ... and runs with ✂  ✄
[21:58] <gordonjcp> nemo: java doesn't work, firebug doesn't work, webdev toolbar doesn't work, adblock doesn't work, it's slow and they've done something truly horrific with the URL dropdown
[21:58]  * oliver_g1 can do that too: ✈
[21:58] <nemo> gordonjcp: firebug works
[21:58] <nemo> gordonjcp: http://getfirebug.com - they released the beta
[21:58] <gordonjcp> I will actually pay Canonical to *not* have FF3
[21:58] <nemo> gordonjcp: and it isn't firefox' fault that the extension authors haven't updated :-p
[21:59] <oliver_g1> (can't really type the plane, put copy/paste still works)
[21:59] <nemo> gordonjcp: the URL dropdown I rather like actually
[21:59] <gordonjcp> nemo: can you turn it off?
[21:59] <nemo> gordonjcp: dunno. at one point it was an addon
[21:59] <nemo> they just incorporated it
[21:59] <nemo> gordonjcp: check about:config :-p
[21:59] <oliver_g1> gordonjcp: to me it seemed that ff3 is less unstable and less slow that ff2...
[21:59] <nemo> oliver_g1: ah-yup
[22:00] <nemo> oliver_g1: I'm still debugging one thing though, so don't click on a large about:cache entry ( say, over 10 megabytes) until I figure it out ;)
[22:00] <nemo> oliver_g1: I think it is related to biesi's hex dump he added, but not sure
[22:00] <oliver_g1> nemo: ?
[22:00] <oliver_g1> nemo: you mean ff3 now?
[22:00] <nemo> oliver_g1: you know how it used to be sane to grab FLV videos from the disc cache in firefox? :)
[22:01] <nemo> not such a good idea anymore
[22:01] <oliver_g1> :-)
[22:01] <nemo> ... yet.
[22:01] <oliver_g1> isn't there this youtube-dl script in the repos for that?
[22:01] <nemo> oliver_g1: that only works for youtube
[22:02] <gordonjcp> is there some magic I'm missing for getting Java to work then?
[22:02] <nemo> gordonjcp: java WFM
[22:02] <gordonjcp> j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin is installed
[22:02] <nemo> well
[22:02] <nemo> here's the thing
[22:02] <nemo> this is kind of ubuntu's insanity
[22:02] <gordonjcp> but sites that require java whine about not having a jre
[22:02] <nemo> why the hell are there 12 XULRunner directories for plugins?
[22:02] <nemo> gordonjcp: the JRE (and you should be using v6 anyway :-p) does not seem to install in the right one-of-12 directories that ubuntu has
[22:03] <oliver_g1> anyway, the worst thing about ff (gecko actually - shows in epiphany as well) is that it starts showing pages in new windows after using the browser a few days :-( so I don't use ff2 anymore for regular work
[22:03] <gordonjcp> oh dear ghod
[22:03] <nemo> gordonjcp: if they don't give me a good reason for it, I *will* symlink them all together
[22:03] <gordonjcp> nemo: are you the maintainer?
[22:03] <nemo> gordonjcp: of ubuntu? no.
[22:03] <nemo> I'm a user puzzled as to their logic
[22:03] <gordonjcp> no, of the ubuntu ff3 package
[22:03] <oliver_g1> nemo, gordonjcp: the iced-tea java in Hardy seems to work correctly out of the box
[22:03] <nemo> I mean, thinly, it seems to be to separate plugins by generic xulrunner various xulrunner products, and some versions
[22:03] <nemo> gordonjcp: that either
[22:03] <gordonjcp> *ARGH*
[22:04] <nemo> gordonjcp: I kinda see *what* they are doing, but it still seems silly
[22:04] <gordonjcp> right
[22:04] <nemo> gordonjcp: anyway, what I did was look on the about:plugins page
[22:04] <nemo> see what libs were installed
[22:04] <gordonjcp> time to go and find the package maintainer of nekobee and stab him
[22:04] <nemo> then symlink to that
[22:04] <nemo> gordonjcp: I am considering the more drastic approach though, as much as I hate screwing with package systems
[22:04] <gordonjcp> ok, so they've packaged 0.1.6, but ever so slightly wrongly
[22:05] <gordonjcp> there must be some way to usurp a package maintainer
[22:07] <nemo> gordonjcp: ls -d /usr/lib/*/plugins
[22:07] <nemo> or even ls -ld /usr/lib/*/plugins
[22:07] <nemo> to see the symlinks
[22:07] <nemo> annoying huh?
[22:08] <nemo> I hope a dev drops by here to justify this
[22:08] <nemo> gordonjcp: I think actually I was complaining on here about a month ago :)
[22:08] <gordonjcp> nemo: admittedly some of the plugins in there are *not* FF plugin dirs
[22:08] <gordonjcp> for instance /usr/lib/kicad/plugins
[22:08] <gordonjcp> but yeah, it's a shambles
[22:10] <nemo> gordonjcp: I know, but most of 'em are
[22:10] <nemo> gordonjcp: I just didn't feel like filtering and was sure you'd be able to tell the diff :-p
[22:11] <nemo> gordonjcp: IMO most of those should be symlinks to /usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins
[22:11] <nemo> and *IF* a particular xulrunner app needs its own set of plugins, it should create its own dir and maintain its symlinks
[22:11] <nemo> but the default should be to include plugins
[22:13] <gordonjcp> oh, I give up
[22:13] <gordonjcp> this is just a mess
[22:14] <gordonjcp> looks like sound doesn't really work either
[22:14] <nemo> oh.
[22:15] <nemo> maybe you ran into the pulseaudio bug I ran into too
[22:15] <nemo> gordonjcp: you might want to try alsa
[22:15] <gordonjcp> argh, not pulseaudio
[22:15] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/191027
[22:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191027 in totem ""Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument"" [Low,New]
[22:15] <nemo> I think the priority on that one should be kicked up
[22:15] <gordonjcp> nemo: that could be it - yet another thing to remove
[22:16] <tomd123> this is wierd whenever I plugin my ipod, rhythmbox opens up and keeps adding all my songs to the local library but keeps on going into infinity adding multiple versions of the same song, any ideas?
[22:16] <anonymous111> Hi. I'm looking forward to the new artwork in Hardy. Are there any preview screenshots available yet?
[22:16] <gordonjcp> nemo: I'm not too bothered about pulseaudio as long as I can permanently remove or disable it
[22:17] <nemo> gordonjcp: well, the sound sink is certainly overrideable
[22:17] <gordonjcp> nemo: totem is a hoax anyway
[22:17] <nemo> heh
[22:17] <nemo> gordonjcp: I prefer mplayer and audacious
[22:17] <gordonjcp> I've yet to find any media format that totem will play
[22:17] <gordonjcp> it doesn't even seem to want to play most .wav files
[22:17] <nemo> gordonjcp: hm. haven't had *that* much trouble
[22:17] <nemo> gordonjcp: oh. in terms of WAV - are you trying to play 8bit wav samples?
[22:18] <nemo> gordonjcp: also, you *have* installed the restricted plugins for totem right?
[22:18] <gordonjcp> 8 bit, 16 bit, and 24 bit
[22:18] <gordonjcp> I shouldn't need restricted plugins for wav files
[22:18] <nemo> mm. only had trouble with 8bit myself, and wasn't restricted to totem
[22:18] <nemo> I know
[22:18] <nemo> gordonjcp: that was the whole "any media" I was addressing
[22:18] <nemo> can you link me to a wav that failed?
[22:18] <nemo> I want to see if WFM
[22:19] <gordonjcp> let me see if I can find it
[22:19] <gordonjcp> it *may* be on a drive that's not plugged in
[22:21] <gordonjcp> nemo: odd, at least two of the .wavs I was having trouble with now work in totem
[22:21] <gordonjcp> o_O
[22:21] <gordonjcp> I think I'm going to have to set this computer up as dual-boot
[22:21] <oliver_g1> wheee... new updates
[22:22] <oliver_g1> third time this evening :-)
[22:22] <nemo> gordonjcp: virtualbox :)
[22:22] <gordonjcp> nemo: hmmm
[22:22] <gordonjcp> it's a thought
[22:22] <nemo> gordonjcp: has some nice features
[22:22] <nemo> one I learned about this week - you can tag a drive readonly
[22:22] <nemo> (after setting it up just right of course)
[22:23] <nemo> then it resets itself after every reboot
[22:23] <gordonjcp> before I do that, can anyone confirm if new firmware iPod Nanos work with the libgpod in hardy?
[22:23] <nemo> great for experimenting with hazardous stuff
[22:23] <oliver_g1> gordonjcp: yup, using virtualbox as well, and it's nice
[22:24] <gordonjcp> nemo: wonder if I'd be better installing virtualbox in hardy and installing gutsy as a guest OS, or the other way round?
[22:24] <tomd123> netbeans 6.0.1 fails to install on 8.04, assertion failure/ core dumped, on 7.10 it works, is this something normal for alpha tests?
[22:24] <gordonjcp> nemo: probably hardy as a guest OS, I'd think
[22:25] <nemo> that'd make more sense I guess
[22:25] <oliver_g1> tomd123: maybe not normal, but to be expected...
[22:25] <oliver_g1> tomd123: did you check if there's a bug report for that already?
[22:26] <oliver_g1> btw. does apport catch and handle Java exceptions as well?
[22:26] <tomd123> oliver_g1: never mind, I just found out that the installation is in the repository, the 7.10 repository had netbeans 5.5, the netbeans.sh failed so meh
[22:27] <gordonjcp> nemo: I've used qemu in the past for testing autotools scripts
[22:27] <gordonjcp> nemo: specifically, making sure they fail on missing deps
[22:31] <tomd123> k so I'm filing a bug, I did a netbeans install through spm and its spitting out assertion failures when i run it through the command line
[22:34] <mellery> anyone have static instead of normal sound when using pulseaudio?
[22:54] <nemo> gordonjcp: qemu is pretty good for linux.
[22:54] <nemo> gordonjcp: vbox is just more flexible
[22:55] <gordonjcp> yeah
[22:55] <gordonjcp> nemo: it's mostly Linux it will be running, possibly Haiku occasionally
[22:56] <nemo> also examples of stereotypes
[22:57] <gordonjcp> meh
[22:58] <gordonjcp> what do you expect, he's English
[22:58] <gordonjcp> probably too busy being rude to foreigners and drinking crap overchilled beer
[23:00] <oliver_g1> not to mention the bad food in england... boar in peppermint sauce and such stuff...
[23:01] <Lukstr> mmm
[23:01] <gordonjcp> yeah, they don't really "get" food in England
[23:01] <gordonjcp> they're nearly as bad as Americans
[23:03] <oliver_g1> well yes, but with americans its more a matter of intelligence
[23:04]  * oliver_g1 ponders how to weave Microsoft Works, French Resistance, Simple Woman into the conversation as well
[23:04] <oliver_g1> :-D
[23:04] <oliver_g1> j/k
[23:04]  * nrp goes to eat something large and deep fried
[23:05] <gordonjcp> hm
[23:05] <gordonjcp> now if you were an American it would be something large, deep fried, tough, and covered in hot sauce
[23:05] <oliver_g1> fried boar in peppermint sauce?
[23:05] <gordonjcp> I must admit though
[23:05] <gordonjcp> I really do fancy trying to deep fry a turkey
[23:06] <RAOF> We'll need a vat... big enough to hold a small family sedan...
[23:06] <gordonjcp> RAOF: I have an old heating oil tank
[23:06] <gordonjcp> I can cut the top off
[23:07] <oliver_g1> RAOF: yes... put the sedan in and bake at 450° for 30 minutes
[23:07] <gordonjcp> oh that's easy, that's just a paint oven
[23:07] <RAOF> Crazy farenheigt users ;P
[23:08] <oliver_g1> RAOF: ugh... how much would 450°F be in C?
[23:08] <gordonjcp> about 200C
[23:08] <RAOF> Probably somewhere in the 200~240 range.
[23:08] <gordonjcp> 230 maybe
[23:08] <J-_laptop> Hey, is there anyway to get my wireless icon back that was in the notification area? I did a "killall gnome-panel
[23:08] <J-_laptop> "
[23:08] <oliver_g1> now that's too cold... that's just good enough for pizza...
[23:09] <gordonjcp> 232C according to Goooooooooogle
[23:09] <oliver_g1> duh
[23:09] <oliver_g1> good idea
[23:09] <oliver_g1> J-_laptop: try running nm-applet
[23:09] <J-_laptop> k
[23:09] <oliver_g1> J-_laptop: or, log off and back on (guess that would work)
[23:10] <J-_laptop> oliver_g1: the first one worked. thanks man.
[23:10] <J-_laptop> the other would too =P
[23:11] <gordonjcp> I asked earlier but didn't see an answer - can anyone confirm whether or not new iPod Nanos work with the version of libgpod in Hardy?
[23:11] <J-_laptop> I wonder if gnome devs will fix this panel situation. Hidden panel always freezes.
[23:14] <RAOF> J-_laptop: Do the gnome devs *know* that hidden panel always freezes? (ie: is there a bug filed?)
[23:15] <J-_laptop> I don't know. they probably do. Since it happens to other people too and it happened in Gutsy
[23:16] <J-_laptop> Same deal with Hardy
[23:20] <macogw> gordonjcp: they do
[23:21] <macogw> gordonjcp: the fix for them on gutsy is to use hardy's package :P
[23:21] <gordonjcp> macogw: what do?
[23:21] <macogw> new ipod nanos
[23:21] <gordonjcp> ah right
[23:21] <gordonjcp> aha
[23:22] <gordonjcp> yeah ok, so basically switch back to gutsy and stick the hardy libgpod package in?
[23:22]  * DanaG prefers stuff to be more open.
[23:22] <DanaG> My iAudio6 plays ogg; that's cool.
[23:22] <gordonjcp> DanaG: my Mum is unlikely to be able to use an iAudio6
[23:22] <DanaG> Odd: seems like font rendering changed a bit today.
[23:22] <DanaG> Different target market.
[23:22] <macogw> gordonjcp: well someone compiled them for gutsy
[23:22] <macogw> gordonjcp: http://lilserenity.wordpress.com/2007/12/22/virgin-mobile-praise-ubuntu-and-ipod-nano-3g/
[23:23] <gordonjcp> macogw: if it came to it, I could just grab a tarball and roll my own package
[23:23] <DanaG> I don't buy Apple stuff because none of their things offer what I'd want in their respective product markets.  However, that doesn't mean they're bad. in
[23:23] <macogw> gordonjcp: site has a link to the debs and instructions
[23:23] <gordonjcp> macogw: cool
[23:36] <DanaG> Hmm, is it just me, or did font rendering change a bit today?
[23:36] <J-_laptop> Yeah it did
[23:36] <oliver_g1> DanaG: didn't they just change the default font?
[23:37] <DanaG> I've had DejaVu specifically chosen for a while, though.
[23:41] <DanaG> Odd: when I press ctrl-alt-rightarrow, Iget the SCIM menu.
[23:42] <DanaG> And SCIM likes to eat spaces.
[23:42] <DanaG> WTF?  I press shift, it changes something in SCIM.
[23:44] <theacolyte> So I'm guessing that 8.04 still doesn't do nvidia 8800's since I just booted into a black screen again (
[23:54] <Oli``> is there like a multi-core version of gcc? compiling wine takes too long and it's only using one core >_<
[23:55] <Oli``> theacolyte: I'm on a 8800...
[23:55] <theacolyte> Oli``: interesting, I'm getting a blank screen when booting
[23:56] <Oli``> Can you get in through the VESA/safe mode to install the restricted driver?
[23:57] <theacolyte> well, I was planning on using wubi
[23:57] <theacolyte> to give it a whirl
[23:58] <theacolyte> getting nothing but blank screen
[23:59] <Oli``> I've not tried wubi - does the livecd work?