| Dreamless | So how is the new theme for Hardy going? I really look forward to ubuntu getting a "makeover"! But the old is still quite good compared to alot of other themes! | 06:30 |
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| DanaG | I think Ubuntu should package (or at least release officially on the wiki) an Aurora-based theme. | 07:14 |
| DanaG | Example: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png | 07:14 |
| psyke83 | hi, I've created two modified themes that I think may be worth checking out as candidates for testing, Human-Clearlooks-Mod and Human-Murrine-Mod. I'd appeciate any feedback! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=716133 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715530 | 17:22 |
| _MMA_ | psyke83: I'm sure the necessary people saw it on the ML as well. Most of the time that's the best place. | 17:28 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, that's grand, then. I was concerned that I wouldn't be able to chat here when the meeting happens (I'm preparing to move from Brazil -> Ireland), thanks | 17:29 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, I didn't know what the standard practice was, e.g. to start an /Alternative wiki page, a Launchpad bug, etc | 17:30 |
| _MMA_ | AFAIK, the default theme is set. I don't know if the alt theme pack ever gained momentum. | 17:30 |
| psyke83 | _MMA_, that's good news. Cimi seems opposed to shipping murrine's stable release, but on the other hand, the Ubuntulooks engine appears to be unmaintained | 17:33 |
| psyke83 | I noticed that the bugs aren't getting attention on Launchpad, but are for Murrine and Clearlooks (part of GNOME), at least | 17:34 |
| Cimi | kwwii, ping | 18:22 |
| xhaker | Cimi: hello, how are you? | 21:53 |
| Cimi | well thx | 21:53 |
| xhaker | Cimi: I would like if you could add inconsistent state for radio buttons in murrine | 21:54 |
| xhaker | Cimi: I thing you have commented the code with something like *Lacks inconsistent* | 21:55 |
| Cimi | what do you mean with inconsistent? | 21:55 |
| Cimi | I have to go | 21:56 |
| xhaker | Do you know the applet that manages Appearance: Go to the tab Fonts, click Details.. select slight hinting.. close the details view. All radio buttons are in an inconsistent state.. None of them is selected! | 21:57 |
| xhaker | Cimi: could you please try this procedure.. you'll get what I mean. | 21:57 |
| xhaker | Cimi: Clearlooks shows a dash for inconsistent radio buttons. instead of the bullets | 21:58 |
| _MMA_ | xhaker: On the "Font Rendering Details" page? | 21:58 |
| xhaker | _MMA_: glad to see someone get interested. only seb128 was | 21:59 |
| _MMA_ | I have various options selected here. A screenshot from your end would help. | 21:59 |
| xhaker | http://leetcorp.net/theme-radio-easy-fix.png | 22:00 |
| xhaker | that's my fix for ubuntulooks.. not really a fix.. more like a proof of concept | 22:00 |
| xhaker | It is not hard to understand. | 22:01 |
| _MMA_ | Lemmie grab the Ubuntu theme. Im using Ubuntu Studio here. | 22:01 |
| _MMA_ | Doesnt happen here. | 22:01 |
| xhaker | Subpixel smoothing => subpixel lcd + full hinting | 22:01 |
| xhaker | if you have Subpixel smoothing selected.. but change in the deatils to Slight hinting | 22:02 |
| xhaker | it is no longer the Subpixel smoothing option | 22:02 |
| xhaker | it is a custom setting | 22:02 |
| xhaker | so.. on the page that lets you choose the size of the fonts, it shows the 4 checkboxes selected | 22:03 |
| xhaker | which is bad | 22:03 |
| xhaker | none of them is selected. so some other visual hint should happen | 22:03 |
| xhaker | like in the clearlooks theme | 22:03 |
| _MMA_ | Hmm.. I got it to do it here. Odd. | 22:04 |
| xhaker | the bullets from the standard radio button selected drawing.. are replaced by dashes | 22:04 |
| xhaker | _MMA_: that's not a bug of the applet | 22:04 |
| _MMA_ | I get them all being selected. | 22:04 |
| xhaker | yes.. thats because the themes are buggy | 22:04 |
| xhaker | change to clearlooks | 22:05 |
| _MMA_ | "theme" or engine"? | 22:05 |
| xhaker | and you'll see | 22:05 |
| xhaker | engine! | 22:05 |
| xhaker | sorry | 22:05 |
| xhaker | try clearlooks. you'll see how it handles this situation better | 22:05 |
| _MMA_ | I know. Since Cimi writes both he should have a solution. | 22:06 |
| xhaker | _MMA_: That's why i'm bugging him | 22:11 |
| _MMA_ | xhaker: I doubt we will see a solution unless we pull the code from CVS because he's waiting for other things to be done before a "official" release. | 22:12 |
| Cimi | xhaker, http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/murrine?view=revision | 22:37 |
| Cimi | http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9839/20080307233824602x490sczo8.png | 22:39 |
| xhaker | Cimi: that is Super. you're fast! | 22:44 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, yesterday I've added --disable-rgba @ the configure | 22:47 |
| Cimi | you can pull from svn and make packages with --disable-rgba | 22:47 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Nice. Ill see if I can get it updated. Is it pretty stable? | 22:51 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, more than 0.53.1, I have fixes several bugs | 22:51 |
| Cimi | and rewritten most of the code | 22:52 |
| Cimi | the problem is that I'm not sure to pull all of that code without howtos for themes and things like this | 22:53 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. Ill work with the guys tomorrow to get something going. | 22:53 |
| Cimi | it features 26 options :) | 22:53 |
| _MMA_ | I think for now, its just to fix bugs. | 22:53 |
| _MMA_ | Your official release will be the big deal. :) | 22:53 |
| Cimi | no time | 22:54 |
| _MMA_ | My point is though we update, It wont be a big deal until you officially release. | 22:55 |
| Cimi | I'd prefer, for marketing decisions :) to release when it is really done | 22:55 |
| Cimi | also releasing for hardy +1 | 22:56 |
| Cimi | could be better for all the options that are useful to customize the gradients | 22:56 |
| Cimi | (the new murrine can emulate other engines) | 22:56 |
| _MMA_ | We won't be making a big deal about the update. We'll leave that for you. ;) | 22:57 |
| _MMA_ | We'll have to test. Might not make it really. I wont know until tomorrow. | 22:57 |
| kwwii | Cimi: pong | 23:04 |
| Cimi | kwwii, ping pong | 23:05 |
| Cimi | kwwii, i've seen some alpha 6 screenshots, they are using murrine | 23:05 |
| Cimi | why? | 23:05 |
| kwwii | Cimi: because we wanted to try it out | 23:05 |
| Cimi | kwwii, but for test or for default | 23:06 |
| Cimi | anyway seems better then the first tries | 23:06 |
| kwwii | Cimi: it is very, very likely that we will use ubuntulooks in the end | 23:06 |
| Cimi | I like the colors | 23:06 |
| kwwii | yeah, it is getting a bit cleaner as well | 23:06 |
| Cimi | metacity theme is horrible | 23:06 |
| kwwii | lol | 23:06 |
| _MMA_ | It's awesome. | 23:07 |
| Cimi | -.- | 23:07 |
| kwwii | I think that for hardy there is little reason to go out on a limb and change things for the sake of change | 23:07 |
| kwwii | hardy+1 is the perfect time for that | 23:08 |
| kwwii | I am not sure how bug free murrine is compared to ubuntulooks | 23:09 |
| Cimi | kwwii, muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch more | 23:10 |
| _MMA_ | hahahahah | 23:10 |
| Cimi | kwwii, ubuntulooks is unmaintained | 23:10 |
| _MMA_ | Like asking a cook who's food is better. | 23:10 |
| Cimi | I'm a clearlooks developer | 23:10 |
| Cimi | i develop for gnome, I receive all the bugs of gnome | 23:11 |
| Cimi | and I have fixed them to murrine too | 23:11 |
| Cimi | murrine is stable as clearlooks | 23:11 |
| Cimi | other engines are a step behind | 23:11 |
| * _MMA_ loves Cimi's modesty. | 23:12 | |
| Cimi | ;) | 23:12 |
| * xhaker thinks clearlooks + ubuntulooks-scrollbars would do the trick | 23:16 | |
| kwwii | xhaker: you waited until cimi left to say that | 23:17 |
| * _MMA_ knows that kwwii is scared to mix engines. ;) (chicken) | 23:18 | |
| xhaker | kwwii: he hacked on murrine for me today already | 23:18 |
| xhaker | i would feel bad if I asked him to do this too | 23:19 |
| xhaker | :D | 23:19 |
| xhaker | kwwii: did you see the screenshot? | 23:19 |
| xhaker | kwwii: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9839/20080307233824602x490sczo8.png | 23:19 |
| xhaker | hint: radio buttons | 23:20 |
| kwwii | xhaker: I find the orange buttons look to instense | 23:20 |
| kwwii | they all seem active to me | 23:20 |
| xhaker | on clearlooks i presume | 23:22 |
| _MMA_ | shhh, shhhhh | 23:23 |
| kwwii | Cimi: _MMA_ has some crack idea about using two engines in one theme | 23:23 |
| kwwii | :p | 23:23 |
| Cimi | -.- | 23:24 |
| Cimi | just do it for clearlooks | 23:24 |
| * _MMA_ goes off to mix a ubuntulooks/murrine/pixmap/Nodoka gtkrc. | 23:25 | |
| kwwii | clearlooks with ubuntulooks for the scrollbars | 23:25 |
| Cimi | OMG | 23:26 |
| Cimi | x| | 23:26 |
| * Cimi died | 23:26 | |
| * _MMA_ laughs at Cimi's death. :P | 23:26 | |
| xhaker | Cimi: what if someone takes the current clearlooks, and changes the drawing code for scrollbars for instance, and then call it ubuntulooks? | 23:28 |
| * _MMA_ goes to be with the family. | 23:28 | |
| kwwii | yeah, I am heading out for the night as well | 23:28 |
| xhaker | it thought of doing that, but i'm not very capable in cairo | 23:29 |
| xhaker | s/it/I | 23:29 |
| Cimi | why to do this? | 23:31 |
| xhaker | Cimi: why not? what would be a better option in your opinion? | 23:46 |
| * xhaker has yet to read the followups on ubuntu-art ML. | 23:46 | |
| Cimi | I don't like them | 23:46 |
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