[06:30] So how is the new theme for Hardy going? I really look forward to ubuntu getting a "makeover"! But the old is still quite good compared to alot of other themes! [07:14] I think Ubuntu should package (or at least release officially on the wiki) an Aurora-based theme. [07:14] Example: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png [17:22] hi, I've created two modified themes that I think may be worth checking out as candidates for testing, Human-Clearlooks-Mod and Human-Murrine-Mod. I'd appeciate any feedback! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=716133 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715530 [17:28] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'm sure the necessary people saw it on the ML as well. Most of the time that's the best place. [17:29] _MMA_, that's grand, then. I was concerned that I wouldn't be able to chat here when the meeting happens (I'm preparing to move from Brazil -> Ireland), thanks [17:30] _MMA_, I didn't know what the standard practice was, e.g. to start an /Alternative wiki page, a Launchpad bug, etc [17:30] <_MMA_> AFAIK, the default theme is set. I don't know if the alt theme pack ever gained momentum. [17:33] _MMA_, that's good news. Cimi seems opposed to shipping murrine's stable release, but on the other hand, the Ubuntulooks engine appears to be unmaintained [17:34] I noticed that the bugs aren't getting attention on Launchpad, but are for Murrine and Clearlooks (part of GNOME), at least [18:22] kwwii, ping [21:53] Cimi: hello, how are you? [21:53] well thx [21:54] Cimi: I would like if you could add inconsistent state for radio buttons in murrine [21:55] Cimi: I thing you have commented the code with something like *Lacks inconsistent* [21:55] what do you mean with inconsistent? [21:56] I have to go [21:57] Do you know the applet that manages Appearance: Go to the tab Fonts, click Details.. select slight hinting.. close the details view. All radio buttons are in an inconsistent state.. None of them is selected! [21:57] Cimi: could you please try this procedure.. you'll get what I mean. [21:58] Cimi: Clearlooks shows a dash for inconsistent radio buttons. instead of the bullets [21:58] <_MMA_> xhaker: On the "Font Rendering Details" page? [21:59] _MMA_: glad to see someone get interested. only seb128 was [21:59] <_MMA_> I have various options selected here. A screenshot from your end would help. [22:00] http://leetcorp.net/theme-radio-easy-fix.png [22:00] that's my fix for ubuntulooks.. not really a fix.. more like a proof of concept [22:01] It is not hard to understand. [22:01] <_MMA_> Lemmie grab the Ubuntu theme. Im using Ubuntu Studio here. [22:01] <_MMA_> Doesnt happen here. [22:01] Subpixel smoothing => subpixel lcd + full hinting [22:02] if you have Subpixel smoothing selected.. but change in the deatils to Slight hinting [22:02] it is no longer the Subpixel smoothing option [22:02] it is a custom setting [22:03] so.. on the page that lets you choose the size of the fonts, it shows the 4 checkboxes selected [22:03] which is bad [22:03] none of them is selected. so some other visual hint should happen [22:03] like in the clearlooks theme [22:04] <_MMA_> Hmm.. I got it to do it here. Odd. [22:04] the bullets from the standard radio button selected drawing.. are replaced by dashes [22:04] _MMA_: that's not a bug of the applet [22:04] <_MMA_> I get them all being selected. [22:04] yes.. thats because the themes are buggy [22:05] change to clearlooks [22:05] <_MMA_> "theme" or engine"? [22:05] and you'll see [22:05] engine! [22:05] sorry [22:05] try clearlooks. you'll see how it handles this situation better [22:06] <_MMA_> I know. Since Cimi writes both he should have a solution. [22:11] _MMA_: That's why i'm bugging him [22:12] <_MMA_> xhaker: I doubt we will see a solution unless we pull the code from CVS because he's waiting for other things to be done before a "official" release. [22:37] xhaker, http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/murrine?view=revision [22:39] http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9839/20080307233824602x490sczo8.png [22:44] Cimi: that is Super. you're fast! [22:47] _MMA_, yesterday I've added --disable-rgba @ the configure [22:47] you can pull from svn and make packages with --disable-rgba [22:51] <_MMA_> Cimi: Nice. Ill see if I can get it updated. Is it pretty stable? [22:51] _MMA_, more than 0.53.1, I have fixes several bugs [22:52] and rewritten most of the code [22:53] the problem is that I'm not sure to pull all of that code without howtos for themes and things like this [22:53] <_MMA_> Ok. Ill work with the guys tomorrow to get something going. [22:53] it features 26 options :) [22:53] <_MMA_> I think for now, its just to fix bugs. [22:53] <_MMA_> Your official release will be the big deal. :) [22:54] no time [22:55] <_MMA_> My point is though we update, It wont be a big deal until you officially release. [22:55] I'd prefer, for marketing decisions :) to release when it is really done [22:56] also releasing for hardy +1 [22:56] could be better for all the options that are useful to customize the gradients [22:56] (the new murrine can emulate other engines) [22:57] <_MMA_> We won't be making a big deal about the update. We'll leave that for you. ;) [22:57] <_MMA_> We'll have to test. Might not make it really. I wont know until tomorrow. [23:04] Cimi: pong [23:05] kwwii, ping pong [23:05] kwwii, i've seen some alpha 6 screenshots, they are using murrine [23:05] why? [23:05] Cimi: because we wanted to try it out [23:06] kwwii, but for test or for default [23:06] anyway seems better then the first tries [23:06] Cimi: it is very, very likely that we will use ubuntulooks in the end [23:06] I like the colors [23:06] yeah, it is getting a bit cleaner as well [23:06] metacity theme is horrible [23:06] lol [23:07] <_MMA_> It's awesome. [23:07] -.- [23:07] I think that for hardy there is little reason to go out on a limb and change things for the sake of change [23:08] hardy+1 is the perfect time for that [23:09] I am not sure how bug free murrine is compared to ubuntulooks [23:10] kwwii, muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch more [23:10] <_MMA_> hahahahah [23:10] kwwii, ubuntulooks is unmaintained [23:10] <_MMA_> Like asking a cook who's food is better. [23:10] I'm a clearlooks developer [23:11] i develop for gnome, I receive all the bugs of gnome [23:11] and I have fixed them to murrine too [23:11] murrine is stable as clearlooks [23:11] other engines are a step behind [23:12] * _MMA_ loves Cimi's modesty. [23:12] ;) [23:16] * xhaker thinks clearlooks + ubuntulooks-scrollbars would do the trick [23:17] xhaker: you waited until cimi left to say that [23:18] * _MMA_ knows that kwwii is scared to mix engines. ;) (chicken) [23:18] kwwii: he hacked on murrine for me today already [23:19] i would feel bad if I asked him to do this too [23:19] :D [23:19] kwwii: did you see the screenshot? [23:19] kwwii: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9839/20080307233824602x490sczo8.png [23:20] hint: radio buttons [23:20] xhaker: I find the orange buttons look to instense [23:20] they all seem active to me [23:22] on clearlooks i presume [23:23] <_MMA_> shhh, shhhhh [23:23] Cimi: _MMA_ has some crack idea about using two engines in one theme [23:23] :p [23:24] -.- [23:24] just do it for clearlooks [23:25] * _MMA_ goes off to mix a ubuntulooks/murrine/pixmap/Nodoka gtkrc. [23:25] clearlooks with ubuntulooks for the scrollbars [23:26] OMG [23:26] x| [23:26] * Cimi died [23:26] * _MMA_ laughs at Cimi's death. :P [23:28] Cimi: what if someone takes the current clearlooks, and changes the drawing code for scrollbars for instance, and then call it ubuntulooks? [23:28] * _MMA_ goes to be with the family. [23:28] yeah, I am heading out for the night as well [23:29] it thought of doing that, but i'm not very capable in cairo [23:29] s/it/I [23:31] why to do this? [23:46] Cimi: why not? what would be a better option in your opinion? [23:46] * xhaker has yet to read the followups on ubuntu-art ML. [23:46] I don't like them