[06:30] <Dreamless> So how is the new theme for Hardy going? I really look forward to ubuntu getting a "makeover"! But the old is still quite good compared to alot of other themes!
[07:14] <DanaG> I think Ubuntu should package (or at least release officially on the wiki) an Aurora-based theme.
[07:14] <DanaG> Example: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot.png
[17:22] <psyke83> hi, I've created two modified themes that I think may be worth checking out as candidates for testing, Human-Clearlooks-Mod and Human-Murrine-Mod. I'd appeciate any feedback! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=716133 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715530
[17:28] <_MMA_> psyke83: I'm sure the necessary people saw it on the ML as well. Most of the time that's the best place.
[17:29] <psyke83> _MMA_, that's grand, then. I was concerned that I wouldn't be able to chat here when the meeting happens (I'm preparing to move from Brazil -> Ireland), thanks
[17:30] <psyke83> _MMA_, I didn't know what the standard practice was, e.g. to start an /Alternative wiki page, a Launchpad bug, etc
[17:30] <_MMA_> AFAIK, the default theme is set. I don't know if the alt theme pack ever gained momentum.
[17:33] <psyke83> _MMA_, that's good news. Cimi seems opposed to shipping murrine's stable release, but on the other hand, the Ubuntulooks engine appears to be unmaintained
[17:34] <psyke83> I noticed that the bugs aren't getting attention on Launchpad, but are for Murrine and Clearlooks (part of GNOME), at least
[18:22] <Cimi> kwwii, ping
[21:53] <xhaker> Cimi: hello, how are you?
[21:53] <Cimi> well thx
[21:54] <xhaker> Cimi: I would like if you could add inconsistent state for radio buttons in murrine
[21:55] <xhaker> Cimi: I thing you have commented the code with something like *Lacks inconsistent*
[21:55] <Cimi> what do you mean with inconsistent?
[21:56] <Cimi> I have to go
[21:57] <xhaker> Do you know the applet that manages Appearance: Go to the tab Fonts, click Details.. select slight hinting.. close the details view. All radio buttons are in an inconsistent state.. None of them is selected!
[21:57] <xhaker> Cimi: could you please try this procedure.. you'll get what I mean.
[21:58] <xhaker> Cimi: Clearlooks shows a dash for inconsistent radio buttons. instead of the bullets
[21:58] <_MMA_> xhaker: On the "Font Rendering Details" page?
[21:59] <xhaker> _MMA_: glad to see someone get interested. only seb128 was
[21:59] <_MMA_> I have various options selected here. A screenshot from your end would help.
[22:00] <xhaker> http://leetcorp.net/theme-radio-easy-fix.png
[22:00] <xhaker> that's my fix for ubuntulooks.. not really a fix.. more like a proof of concept
[22:01] <xhaker> It is not hard to understand.
[22:01] <_MMA_> Lemmie grab the Ubuntu theme. Im using Ubuntu Studio here.
[22:01] <_MMA_> Doesnt happen here.
[22:01] <xhaker> Subpixel smoothing => subpixel lcd + full hinting
[22:02] <xhaker> if you have Subpixel smoothing selected.. but change in the deatils to Slight hinting
[22:02] <xhaker> it is no longer the Subpixel smoothing option
[22:02] <xhaker> it is a custom setting
[22:03] <xhaker> so.. on the page that lets you choose the size of the fonts, it shows the 4 checkboxes selected
[22:03] <xhaker> which is bad
[22:03] <xhaker> none of them is selected. so some other visual hint should happen
[22:03] <xhaker> like in the clearlooks theme
[22:04] <_MMA_> Hmm.. I got it to do it here. Odd.
[22:04] <xhaker> the bullets from the standard radio button selected drawing.. are replaced by dashes
[22:04] <xhaker> _MMA_: that's not a bug of the applet
[22:04] <_MMA_> I get them all being selected.
[22:04] <xhaker> yes.. thats because the themes are buggy
[22:05] <xhaker> change to clearlooks
[22:05] <_MMA_> "theme" or engine"?
[22:05] <xhaker> and you'll see
[22:05] <xhaker> engine!
[22:05] <xhaker> sorry
[22:05] <xhaker> try clearlooks. you'll see how it handles this situation better
[22:06] <_MMA_> I know. Since Cimi writes both he should have a solution.
[22:11] <xhaker> _MMA_: That's why i'm bugging him
[22:12] <_MMA_> xhaker: I doubt we will see a solution unless we pull the code from CVS because he's waiting for other things to be done before a "official" release.
[22:37] <Cimi> xhaker, http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/murrine?view=revision
[22:39] <Cimi> http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9839/20080307233824602x490sczo8.png
[22:44] <xhaker> Cimi: that is Super. you're fast!
[22:47] <Cimi> _MMA_, yesterday I've added --disable-rgba @ the configure
[22:47] <Cimi> you can pull from svn and make packages with --disable-rgba
[22:51] <_MMA_> Cimi: Nice. Ill see if I can get it updated. Is it pretty stable?
[22:51] <Cimi> _MMA_, more than 0.53.1, I have fixes several bugs
[22:52] <Cimi> and rewritten most of the code
[22:53] <Cimi> the problem is that I'm not sure to pull all of that code without howtos for themes and things like this
[22:53] <_MMA_> Ok. Ill work with the guys tomorrow to get something going.
[22:53] <Cimi> it features 26 options :)
[22:53] <_MMA_> I think for now, its just to fix bugs.
[22:53] <_MMA_> Your official release will be the big deal. :)
[22:54] <Cimi> no time
[22:55] <_MMA_> My point is though we update, It wont be a big deal until you officially release.
[22:55] <Cimi> I'd prefer, for marketing decisions :) to release when it is really done
[22:56] <Cimi> also releasing for hardy +1
[22:56] <Cimi> could be better for all the options that are useful to customize the gradients
[22:56] <Cimi> (the new murrine can emulate other engines)
[22:57] <_MMA_> We won't be making a big deal about the update. We'll leave that for you. ;)
[22:57] <_MMA_> We'll have to test. Might not make it really. I wont know until tomorrow.
[23:04] <kwwii> Cimi: pong
[23:05] <Cimi> kwwii, ping pong
[23:05] <Cimi> kwwii, i've seen some alpha 6 screenshots, they are using murrine
[23:05] <Cimi> why?
[23:05] <kwwii> Cimi: because we wanted to try it out
[23:06] <Cimi> kwwii, but for test or for default
[23:06] <Cimi> anyway seems better then the first tries
[23:06] <kwwii> Cimi: it is very, very likely that we will use ubuntulooks in the end
[23:06] <Cimi> I like the colors
[23:06] <kwwii> yeah, it is getting a bit cleaner as well
[23:06] <Cimi> metacity theme is horrible
[23:06] <kwwii> lol
[23:07] <_MMA_> It's awesome.
[23:07] <Cimi> -.-
[23:07] <kwwii> I think that for hardy there is little reason to go out on a limb and change things for the sake of change
[23:08] <kwwii> hardy+1 is the perfect time for that
[23:09] <kwwii> I am not sure how bug free murrine is compared to ubuntulooks
[23:10] <Cimi> kwwii, muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch more
[23:10] <_MMA_> hahahahah
[23:10] <Cimi> kwwii, ubuntulooks is unmaintained
[23:10] <_MMA_> Like asking a cook who's food is better.
[23:10] <Cimi> I'm a clearlooks developer
[23:11] <Cimi> i develop for gnome, I receive all the bugs of gnome
[23:11] <Cimi> and I have fixed them to murrine too
[23:11] <Cimi> murrine is stable as clearlooks
[23:11] <Cimi> other engines are a step behind
[23:12]  * _MMA_ loves Cimi's modesty.
[23:12] <Cimi> ;)
[23:16]  * xhaker thinks clearlooks + ubuntulooks-scrollbars would do the trick
[23:17] <kwwii> xhaker: you waited until cimi left to say that
[23:18]  * _MMA_ knows that kwwii is scared to mix engines. ;) (chicken)
[23:18] <xhaker> kwwii: he hacked on murrine for me today already
[23:19] <xhaker> i would feel bad if I asked him to do this too
[23:19] <xhaker> :D
[23:19] <xhaker> kwwii: did you see the screenshot?
[23:19] <xhaker> kwwii: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9839/20080307233824602x490sczo8.png
[23:20] <xhaker> hint: radio buttons
[23:20] <kwwii> xhaker: I find the orange buttons look to instense
[23:20] <kwwii> they all seem active to me
[23:22] <xhaker> on clearlooks i presume
[23:23] <_MMA_> shhh, shhhhh
[23:23] <kwwii> Cimi: _MMA_ has some crack idea about using two engines in one theme
[23:23] <kwwii> :p
[23:24] <Cimi> -.-
[23:24] <Cimi> just do it for clearlooks
[23:25]  * _MMA_ goes off to mix a ubuntulooks/murrine/pixmap/Nodoka gtkrc.
[23:25] <kwwii> clearlooks with ubuntulooks for the scrollbars
[23:26] <Cimi> OMG
[23:26] <Cimi> x|
[23:26]  * Cimi died
[23:26]  * _MMA_ laughs at Cimi's death. :P
[23:28] <xhaker> Cimi: what if someone takes the current clearlooks, and changes the drawing code for scrollbars for instance, and then call it ubuntulooks?
[23:28]  * _MMA_ goes to be with the family.
[23:28] <kwwii> yeah, I am heading out for the night as well
[23:29] <xhaker> it thought of doing that, but i'm not very capable in cairo
[23:29] <xhaker> s/it/I
[23:31] <Cimi> why to do this?
[23:46] <xhaker> Cimi: why not? what would be a better option in your opinion?
[23:46]  * xhaker has yet to read the followups on ubuntu-art ML.
[23:46] <Cimi> I don't like them