bdmurrayit looks like there are only ~60 New 2.6.22 bugs now00:07
secretlondonI saw all the green on the hug day page - I wondered if there were any left!00:08
bdmurrayI don't think we put them all on.00:08
bdmurrayright ogasawara?00:08
secretlondonyeah - only 7500:09
ogasawarabdmurray: right00:09
secretlondonso all .22 have gone, I'm working on .2000:09
bdmurrayright, I was thinking we might be able to finish off the .22 New bugs though00:09
ogasawarasecretlondon:  great :)  there are more .22 ones, may 30-40 more?00:09
secretlondonwould you prefer me to look at the .22s?00:10
bdmurrayI just thought it would be exciting to have .22 at 000:10
secretlondoni'll have a look00:11
ogasawarasecretlondon: either .20 or .22 is fine.  I just think the .22 ones might be more useful since they are closer to Hardy00:11
bdmurrayhmm, yeah it's a 44 and the graph is behind00:12
bdmurray-1 more even00:16
bdmurrayogasawara: how do I find the xen config?00:21
ogasawarabdmurray: I'm guessing linux/debian/binary-custom.d/xen00:23
bdmurrayogasawara: you winner00:26
bdmurraysecretlondon: oops, I was looking at 14890000:30
bdmurraysecretlondon: it's okay, it is actually fixed00:30
secretlondonoh cool00:30
secretlondonI've been going through with the "please test on hardy" boilerplate00:30
bdmurrayThat one actually had enough info to research00:31
secretlondonbdmurray: so ones that could have enough info to research I should leave rather than asking them to check?00:39
bdmurraysecretlondon: Do you have an example?00:40
secretlondonbdmurray bug #15274100:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 152741 in linux-source-2.6.22 "network performance and cpu usage in gutsy vs feisty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15274100:41
bdmurraysecretlondon: that one has enough for ogasawara or me to look at it I think00:44
bdmurrayThanks for bringing it up00:44
ogasawarabdmurray: I've actually been asking to test against hardy since I'd rather 1 - get a response to make sure I'm not gonna waste my time, and 2 - I'd rather investigate against current hardy kernel which is under development00:47
bdmurraythat bug seemed important enough to me that I thought it would be worth researching00:47
bdmurraythe lkml thread has a patch too00:48
ogasawarabdmurray: holly cow I didn't even see the link to lkml00:48
ogasawaraI think it blended in with the "Offer to mentor someone. . ." link00:48
bdmurrayThat almost seems SRU worthy to me for Gutsy00:49
secretlondonI had a quick look but didn't get as far as the patch00:49
bdmurraysecretlondon: I cheated and only read certain posts from people's names that I have heard of before00:50
secretlondonah! I'd not heard of any of them ;)00:50
bdmurrayogasawara: so it looks fixed in Hardy and not in gutsy00:52
ogasawarabdmurray: I didn't look at the patch, is it intrusive?00:52
bdmurrayogasawara: 6 lines, 5 of which are comments but it's in random.c00:54
bdmurraybut it's well tested I'd say00:55
ogasawarabdmurray: that's sounds harmless enough.  care to post a comment it's fixed in hardy and just inline the patch or add the git commit id.  I'll add it to the buglist.00:55
ogasawarabdmurray: gotta run though (literally)00:55
bdmurrayogasawara: see ya!  should I save the graphs later or will you?00:55
ogasawarabdmurray: I'll save em later tonight.  thanks!00:56
JimersonHello all.00:59
bdmurrayhello Jimerson00:59
secretlondonJimerson: you came yesterday and wanted to get involved with bug triage?01:00
Jimersonsecretlondon, thats correct, I know I am a little late.01:01
secretlondonJimerson: bdmurray is your man :)01:01
bdmurrayIt's not late here.01:02
JimersonI see :)01:02
JimersonHow are you sir?01:02
bdmurrayI'm doing pretty well.01:04
Jimersonas secretlondon said, I am looking to try and help with bugs.01:04
JimersonAnd I am trying to find someone to give me a kick in the right direction.01:04
bdmurrayOne the problems I have with getting people started is that there are so places you could go.  Do you have a particular area of interest or type of role you'd like to fulfil?01:05
JimersonI eventually would like to build packages, I don't know if I have the skills for that, but I was told to start here before doing anything else.01:06
bdmurrayIs there a particular piece of software in Ubuntu that you like to use or are familiar with?01:07
JimersonNothing in particular, I'm willing to work with anything and go where I am needed.01:08
bdmurrayJimerson: okay, I'm trying to find us something to look at01:12
Jimersonbdmurray, great.01:13
bdmurrayIf we look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/reports/yesterday/ we'll see bug reports that came in "yesterday"01:14
bdmurraylets just take bug 199306 as an example01:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 199306 in ubuntu "Trac "500 - Internal Server Error" for Help/Guide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19930601:16
JimersonOk, I am looking at it.01:16
bdmurraywell, its actually a kind of crazy bug.  does it make much sense to you?01:18
JimersonNot really, he took a config file from a bsd machine. getting some weird errors.01:19
JimersonIs this even supported as it is not a clean install?01:20
bdmurrayI think it should be fine but can't say for certain.01:20
bdmurrayIt sounds like getting his configs might be useful tough.01:21
bdmurrayAdditionally, this bug isn't filed about a package bug all of Ubuntu rather01:21
Jimersonfor lighthttpd and trac?01:21
JimersonI saw that.01:21
bdmurrayAssigning it to a package will help a lot as then other people like the package maintainer will be subscribed to the bug report.01:22
JimersonI don't see trac or lighthttpd in the packages.01:22
bdmurrayAnd yes in regards to which config files to ask for.01:22
JimersonWhen I did a search.01:22
bdmurraya search?01:25
JimersonPerhaps I am getting ahead of myself.01:25
JimersonI thought you said it needed to be assigned to a package.01:25
bdmurrayyes, that's correct01:26
JimersonWhat should it be assigned to?01:26
bdmurraywe can do that as a separate step.  what do you think it should be assigned to?01:26
JimersonTrac I would assume.01:26
JimersonError looks like something wrong with trac, not the server, unless I read it incorrectly.01:27
bdmurrayThat sounds right to me and the trac maintainer / bug triager would know if it belonged somewhere else01:27
JimersonSo I'm going to take a guess here, assign it to package trac, post requesting config files and is that it?01:29
bdmurrayThat'd be the, for lack of a better word, minimum01:29
JimersonCould you elaborate then please :)01:30
bdmurrayWe could check that the have the latest version of trac installed.01:31
bdmurrayWe could also look at the list of files included in trac.01:32
JimersonHe is running the latest version of trac.01:32
bdmurrayyep, just out of curiousity how did you check?01:34
JimersonWent to the site to downloads, and checked for latest version :)01:34
bdmurraythere is this neat script called rmadion where you can do things like 'rmadison -u ubuntu trac'01:35
bdmurrayand if you go to packages.ubuntu.com you can see the list of files in the trac package01:36
bdmurrayI'd personally use packages.ubuntu.com rather than install it - in this case01:37
* secretlondon had no idea rmadison existed01:37
bdmurraysecretlondon: I feel there are lots tools like rmadison that aren't well advertised01:39
secretlondonI'm sure01:39
bdmurraysecretlondon: Do you think mailing the bugsquad mailing list about that would be helpful?01:40
secretlondonyes, but I think the wiki more so01:40
bdmurraywhich page? I'm personally fond of BugSquad/KnowledgeBase01:41
secretlondonI use debuggingprocedures all the time01:42
bdmurrayokay, I'll think about how to fit in there01:43
bdmurrayJimerson: still there?01:45
Jimersonsure am.01:46
bdmurrayDoes what I've said make sense so far?01:47
Jimersonso far yes.01:47
bdmurrayI'm not so sure about the error any more and the usefulness of the file list.01:50
bdmurraySo assigning the bug to the trac package and asking for config files would help.01:51
JimersonI can't make sense of it.01:51
JimersonThe only thing I could find online about the error, he tried the fix for.01:51
bdmurraywe could look for duplicates too01:52
bdmurraythose are all the trac bugs in Ubuntu01:52
bdmurrayI didn't see anything promising there01:52
JimersonDoes not appear to be anything.01:53
bdmurrayThe package is auto-synced with debian so we could look there too01:54
bdmurraybut there isn't anything there either as far as I could tell01:54
JimersonHow do you know that?01:54
JimersonThat it is synced.01:54
bdmurrayYou can get there by clicking on Overview from the bug listing01:55
bdmurraythe name at the end of the changelog is Ubuntu Archive Auto-Sync01:55
JimersonGot ya.01:56
secretlondonit's also on the package uploader isn't it, on the main bug page01:57
secretlondonif the package uploader is autosync, we haven't touched it01:57
secretlondonand no xubuntuy ending01:57
bdmurraysecretlondon: that's right on a specific bug's web page it will show you too01:58
bdmurrayand the ~ubuntu package name is a good point too01:58
bdmurrayI still really suspect something goofy with their copied over configs02:00
JimersonThey took track and the lighthttpd config from freebsd.02:00
bdmurrayJimerson: so most bug triaging is investigation into issues02:00
JimersonSo is there anything else we can do without their config's?02:01
JimersonSeeing as no ones else seems to be having this issue.02:02
bdmurrayMaybe look into how python is setup on FreeBSD?02:03
bdmurrayThat seems like a stretch to me though.02:03
secretlondonI'm a total deadend on the ancient Bug #24776 - similar bugs submitted all over the place, non fixed02:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 24776 in linux-source-2.6.22 "ipw2100 error Fatal interrupt. Scheduling firmware restart." [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2477602:03
secretlondonbugs that appeared in breezy and are still open in gutsy's kernel..02:05
bdmurrayJimerson: so assigning the package, asking for configs, setting the status to Incomplete and subscribing to the bug will help a lot02:07
secretlondonhi bddebian02:07
JimersonI should do that?02:07
bdmurrayyeah, that'd be great02:08
secretlondonyou'll find at least 50% never reply02:08
JimersonShould I assign the bug to someone or leave it unassigned?02:08
bdmurrayAssignment is generally used when someone is working on a fix and the bug's status is In Progress02:08
bddebianHi secretlondon02:09
bdmurrayJimerson: Great!02:11
JimersonLook good to you?02:11
bdmurrayWell, my dinner is ready I'll be back in a bit.02:11
JimersonI'll be back in a bit as well.02:12
bdmurrayJimerson: Yeah, I usually thank people for helping to make Ubuntu better or something along those lines.02:12
JimersonAhh. I'll remember that next time.02:12
bdmurrayJimerson: we have some standard replies that we use at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses02:13
JimersonThank you so much for your help.02:13
bdmurrayJimerson: Thank you!  I'm here almost all the time so stop by if you have any questions.02:14
JimersonI'll be bugging you in a bit after I have some dinner.02:14
bdmurraysecretlondon: I've done a bit of research into the ipw2100 issue03:22
secretlondonbdmurray: thanks. it looks like that error is a standard barf03:23
bdmurrayit seems documented in the last tarball upstream made03:23
bdmurrayin January of 200703:23
secretlondonah jan 07 :(03:23
secretlondonso it's a known bug - and on the driver?03:24
bdmurrayafaict so far my firefox just locked up though03:24
secretlondonI've confirmed #50431 as I can see that the acpi chip isn't supported, and googling for the ID doesn't show anyone supporting in linux (and it's ancient)03:27
bdmurraysecretlondon: this is the right upstream bug03:27
ubotubughost.org bug 329 in __UNSPECIFIED__ "Fatal interrupt error appear when the least congested channel is selected on AP." [Major,Assigned]03:28
bdmurrayand it just seems stuck03:28
bdmurrayI'd guess intel isn't working on it anymore03:28
secretlondonis it old hardware?03:29
bdmurrayI also imagine we have some duplicates of it.03:29
secretlondonyeah I'm sure. probably filed on all sorts03:29
bdmurrayThe web page for the project was last updated 1/31/2007 and some newer hardware by intel is the 2200 2915 and 394503:30
secretlondonit's kinda out of our hands really, the firmware is closed souurce too which won't help03:31
secretlondonsome of these bugs are *ancient*, pre dapper even03:33
bdmurrayso its still a valid bug for 2.6.24 and won't fix for earlier versions03:40
bdmurrayand we can point people at the upstream bug but I don't anything would happen03:41
secretlondonbug #86859 you closed at fixed, someone reopened as occurring in feisty and opened on gutsy's kernel instead. they do seem to have the right sort of chip to be affected by it03:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 86859 in pitivi "Pitivi doesn't start / program doesn't open" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/8685903:45
secretlondonbug #6865903:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 68659 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Certain VIA-based chipsets erroneously enable DXS support" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6865903:46
crimsun68659 sounds like my wording04:12
crimsunheh, yep.04:13
crimsunand I don't think that patch was pushed upstream..?04:13
secretlondonI don't know04:13
crimsun(I'm looking now)04:14
crimsunnope, it wasn't04:15
crimsunso the issue remains relevant to feisty, gusty, and hardy04:15
crimsunand if only hardy will be addressed, ...04:15
secretlondonrest won't fix I guess04:18
secretlondontis is presuming that upstream hasn't fixed independently of us04:18
crimsunit hasn't04:23
crimsunI just checked upstream's VCS04:23
secretlondonokay thanks04:23
secretlondonbah I can hear bird song04:25
techno_freakkewl, i can hear only crows singing04:43
techno_freakor rather, communicating04:43
secretlondon4.40am here04:43
techno_freak10.14am here04:44
secretlondonnight all04:51
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techno_freakis there anything in the wiki on debugging gnomebaker or the CD/DVD drive? what logs should i ask from the orig reporter?06:36
harrisonyCan i get someone to renew my subscription in ubuntu-bugcontrol08:27
harrisonyoh yeah forgot the url https://edge.launchpad.net/~harrisony09:17
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jdstrandbdmurray: fyi-- I created a patch for bug #192575 (it's in the report)15:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 192575 in python-launchpad-bugs "HTTPConnection: Firefox 3 stores cookies in sqlite database" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19257515:16
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bdmurrayjdstrand: I noticed16:23
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* jdstrand nods16:24
bdmurrayI'm excited to check it out16:24
hggdhahhhh bugs-announce lives...16:26
bdmurrayharrisony: You are all set.16:32
intellectronicabdmurray: ping18:59
bdmurrayintellectronica: hello19:02
intellectronicabdmurray: hi, just wanted to let you know that shortly those missing launchpad notifications will start making their way into your mailing list, so you may experience a bit of traffic here19:03
bdmurrayintellectronica: we moved the bot to another channel, but thanks for letting us know.19:03
intellectronicabdmurray: cool. which channel, b.t.w?19:04
bdmurrayintellectronica: ubuntu-bugs-announce19:04
LaibschHi, is there a dedicated mozilla/firefox team?19:05
bdmurrayLaibsch: yes, there is see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam for more information19:05
LaibschI believe bug 144560 describes expected behaviour.19:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144560 in mozilla-firefox "doesn't prompt for certificate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14456019:08
Laibschbdmurray: Thanks for pointing that out19:08
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sdhbugs, everywhere21:23
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h3sp4wnYep can anyone give me any advice in what I need to put in a bug report regarding the keys on a Sun usb keyboard not working right (its meta I am bothered about but having undo , cut , paste , copy working might be nice)21:24
h3sp4wnIn emacs meta is mapped to s- and alt is mapped to meta still21:25
h3sp4wn(Dunno exactly what people need - I guess I can test under ubuntu sparc as well but afaik there are no drivers for my video card in xorg at all (so not much use to me)21:26
secretlondonh3sp4wn my sun foo isn't great (I have an ultra 1 but thats it) but I'm surprised your video doesn't give any output in xorg21:28
* secretlondon flicks bugs at sdh21:29
h3sp4wnsecretlondon: Its an XVR-100021:29
h3sp4wnOnly XSun has drivers21:29
secretlondonplease bug report the lack of video support21:29
secretlondonand I'll look at it21:30
secretlondonI'll just look to see what we need for keyboards21:30
h3sp4wnI can get a console but just not X21:31
h3sp4wnhttp://www.sun.com/desktop/products/graphics/xvr1000/ (cost me £200 second hand)21:32
secretlondonok. please still bug report it so we know its an issue21:32
h3sp4wnOk - I don't think it would be easy even with the specs to make a decent driver21:33
h3sp4wn(considering probably how few people use them)21:33
secretlondonsure, but its still useful21:33
secretlondonand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging for the x issue21:35
h3sp4wndunno what I can do about the sparc X issue easily I would have to reformat the disks again21:42
h3sp4wnto get the information21:42
h3sp4wnunless there is a sparc-desktop cd somewhere21:42
secretlondonI don't think so - I think spacr is just a server cd21:44
sdhwhat does it mean when it says "Binary package hint" in launchpad ?21:44
h3sp4wnsecretlondon: sort of implies no one cares anyway (they expect you to just use serial console)21:44
secretlondonh3sp4wn if you stuck solaris on it I undestand. Could you still give us a bug so we know?21:44
h3sp4wnsecretlondon: Its running Solaris on it now - I can give you a bug but it won't have those logs21:45
secretlondonwell I use X on my suns..21:45
h3sp4wnXSun ? or Xorg ?21:45
secretlondonplease give us the bug and I'll go looking21:45
secretlondonactually logs from XSun would also be cool21:46
h3sp4wnok, just had an idea - I will try a nexenta live cd (If they fixed it in their Xorg perhaps the patches can be got)21:51
secretlondoncool - actually comparing one that works with one that doesn't would be useful21:52
h3sp4wnthanks I will sort that stuff out tonight or tommorow morning21:52
bdmurraysdh: I believe it means someone picked a source package that is part of a larger binary package.  What bug were you looking at?21:56
sdhbdmurray: i see it around a lot, let me find an example21:56
sdhbdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/59297 <- random example21:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 59297 in kdebase "kwin crashes when eclipse is started. sometimes." [Undecided,New]21:56
bdmurraysdh: kdebase provides a lot of packages21:59
yuriybdmurray: i think you mean vice-versa21:59
sdhbdmurray: does the submitted put that "binary hint" stuff there or is it automagic?22:00
yuriysomeone picked a binary package that is part of a larger source package22:00
bdmurrayyuriy: right, my bad22:01
bdmurraysdh: the launchpad bug tracker adds it to the description22:01
sdhbdmurray: cool, thanks for the info!22:02
bdmurraysdh: no problem22:04
blueyedShould bugs in the network stack get assigned to "linux" first? (instead of "apport")22:18
blueyedsecretlondon: you've been locking the 5-a-day-data branch quite often for me lately.. ;)22:21
secretlondonblueyed: locking?22:21
* secretlondon has no idea how the backend works22:21
blueyedsecretlondon: what tool do you use? "add-5-a-day" on cli?22:22
secretlondonthe applet22:22
blueyedah, but it does basically the same AFAIK.22:22
blueyedcommit the change right away.22:22
blueyedthat only means that you are committing quite some.. :)22:22
secretlondonwhen I've finished with a bug I make a new tab and drag the bugs tab over the applet22:23
* blueyed suggests adding some mode which does commit only once a day (cron job?)22:23
secretlondonor saving them up and doing a few at once22:23
secretlondonsay every hour22:23
blueyedI often collect bug numbers in a shell, then execute the command.22:23
secretlondonI know I forget to submit some22:24
secretlondonhow long does it lock after each submit?22:24
blueyedduring commit..22:24
blueyed..or if a prompt for the ssh passphrase is waiting: as long as you notice it, even days probably.. :/22:25
secretlondonwell that's only a few seconds I hope22:25
blueyedWasn't apport putting backtraces in the bug report for python tracebacks before? At least it should..22:29
bdmurrayblueyed: do you have an example of a network stack bug?22:44
sdhblueyed: ah, there you are - thanks for the help with acpi-support earlier ;-)22:49
RAOFHm.  Is the amd64 apport retracer known-broken?  It's stripped the needs-amd64-retrace tag from bug #199392 (twice!) but hasn't added any retrace.22:52
ubotuBug 199392 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199392 is private22:52
blueyedbdmurray: bug 19643922:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 196439 in linux "while uploading the reports apport lags the rest of the internet" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19643922:53
blueyedsdh: bug 161745 ?22:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 161745 in acpi-support "Why isn't thinkpad-brightness-down.sh used for Lenovo thinkpads?" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16174522:54
* blueyed tends to have to do quite a lot with acpi-support lately, after cherrypicking all the patches.. but no sponsor yet.. and in the meantime I fear it may miss Hardy even..22:55
sdhblueyed: yeah22:55
sdhwhat does the sponsor bit mean?22:55
secretlondon'apport lags the rest of the internet' - what worldwide ;)22:55
sdhblueyed: if it doesn't make hardy, that will be very sad - i feel hardy could be really good on laptops if it's polished up a bit22:56
blueyedsdh: bug 193842 has a set of cherrypicked patches for acpi-support, but not for your bug yet..22:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 193842 in acpi-support "Please sponsor cherrypicked fixes for acpi-support into Hardy" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19384222:57
sdhblueyed: similar issues with pm-utils imho22:59
sdhblueyed: who can sponsor then?23:00
bdmurrayblueyed: the kernel seems best but that report looks like a mess to me23:00
blueyedbdmurray: yes, unfortunately.. there should be similar reports though (=> gets duped hopefully)23:01
blueyedsdh: ubuntu-main-sponsors (a team of core-devs) can sponsor them.. but there are probably still issues..23:02
blueyedsdh: "incomplete" does not mean "not confirmed", but rather "need more info"..23:02
bdmurrayblueyed: what do you mean?  the original reporter didn't put their release or hardware information.  Savvas might be running Hardy but it isn't clear.23:04
sdhblueyed: you mean incomplete on 161745? i confirmed because i had the same and can provide info23:05
blueyedsdh: yes, then please answer there :)23:05
blueyedbdmurray: are you talking about 161745, too?23:05
bdmurrayblueyed: no bug 196439 that you brought up23:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 196439 in linux "while uploading the reports apport lags the rest of the internet" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19643923:06
blueyedbdmurray: "In gutsy I didn't have this sort of problems, ..."23:09
blueyedI've changed the title to "hardy: uploading causes network lag"23:10
sdhblueyed: good questions on that bug, i've tried that already and will post23:11
bdmurrayblueyed: okay, thanks.  I think kernel team would probably want their standard information23:12
bdmurrayblueyed: by the way what needs to happen with bug 179492 now?23:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 179492 in exuberant-ctags "exuberant-ctags: python variables starting with "def" are shown as functions" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/17949223:17
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