[04:49] <vALIEN> hey
[04:50] <dsmith_> sup
[04:50] <dsmith_> noisy in there
[04:50] <dsmith_> so your on ubuntu now?
[04:51] <v4L13N> yeah
[04:52] <dsmith_> i prefer kde
[04:52] <v4L13N> and  the session i usually start in is "X session whatever"
[04:52] <dsmith_> but can use anything
[04:52] <v4L13N> and it does something
[04:52] <v4L13N> then starts GNOME
[04:52] <dsmith_> you can install kde
[04:52] <v4L13N> well
[04:52] <dsmith_> try it out
[04:52] <v4L13N> i have KDE too
[04:52] <dsmith_> ok
[04:52] <v4L13N> so whats kubuntu
[04:53] <dsmith_> !kubuntu
[04:53] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[04:53] <v4L13N> when i use KDE on ubuntu?
[04:53] <v4L13N> instead of gnome ... lol
[04:53] <v4L13N> ok
[04:53] <dsmith_> two opposing methods of doing the same things
[04:53] <v4L13N> yeah i know
[04:53] <v4L13N> i have used both i just feel more comfortable with gnome
[04:53] <dsmith_> i like ubuntu, its well polished
[04:54] <v4L13N> and i like the way it looks
[04:54] <dsmith_> kubuntu is on this laptop
[04:54] <v4L13N> yeah the last linux i got into was fedora
[04:54] <dsmith_> when I present linux I always use ubuntu
[04:54] <v4L13N> it made me quit for a while
[04:54] <dsmith_> heh, howcome
[04:54] <v4L13N> lack of dvd burner / cd burner at the time... so i was stuck with an old version , and no wireless card
[04:55] <v4L13N> no ethernet card
[04:55] <v4L13N> junk pc
[04:55] <v4L13N> ( im usually on my macbook)
[04:55] <v4L13N>  (until i got ubuntu)
[04:56] <dsmith_> ok
[04:56] <dsmith_> i started with redhat 7
[04:57] <v4L13N> me too
[04:57] <v4L13N> one red hat
[04:57] <v4L13N> i dunno what version, but i havent really dug into it until recently
[04:58] <v4L13N> with ubuntu
[04:58] <v4L13N> but what i do is produce music, design graphics and web ... php mysql
[04:58] <v4L13N> css
[04:58] <dsmith_> been using it since 6.06
[12:53] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A Session in 7 minutes
[13:00] <dholbach> welcome everybody to another MOTU Q&A session!
[13:00] <dholbach> who do we have here today? :)
[13:00] <Iulian> Hiya dholbach!
[13:00]  * Iulian waves
[13:00]  * Amaranth waves
[13:00] <Amaranth> hrm, small crowd :P
[13:00] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[13:01] <Iulian> Doing great :)
[13:01] <dholbach> ROCK ON :)
[13:01] <teprrr> so is this session about creating packages or..?
[13:02] <dholbach> teprrr: it's about asking all the questions you have on your mind, regarding packaging, motu processes, we can even try to fix a problem together, etc
[13:02] <dholbach> this session is all you guys make of it :)
[13:02] <dholbach> so do we have any questions today? :)
[13:03] <Iulian> I do
[13:03] <dholbach> Iulian: excellent - fire away
[13:03] <teprrr> dholbach, ah, I see. well, I'll stick in the background and watch what others want to say :)
[13:03] <dholbach> teprrr: if anything's unclear - please speak pu
[13:03] <dholbach> up
[13:04] <Iulian> I have some questions regarding bug #199201. It looks like it doesn't build cleanly. Please take a look at Please take a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5379/plain/
[13:04] <Iulian> Do you have any ideas how to fix that? I'm totally clueless.
[13:06] <teprrr> Iulian, the patch seems to be broken
[13:06] <dholbach> let me try it
[13:06] <Iulian> Okay
[13:08] <dholbach> weird weird
[13:09] <Iulian> dholbach: Indeed.
[13:09] <dholbach> I just applied the .debdiff - that one applies fine
[13:10] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5376/plain/ does not
[13:11] <dholbach> Iulian: how did you generate the "new patch" that RainCT mentions?
[13:11] <Iulian> dholbach: I just made a new debdiff and removed unnecessary lines
[13:12] <Iulian> Those lines that are in the first debdiff
[13:13] <dholbach> hrm... it's a lot of changes between the two
[13:13] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ diff -u gliv_1.9.5-1ubuntu2.debdiff paste.ubuntu.com  | diffstat
[13:13] <dholbach>  paste.ubuntu.com |  970 +++++++++++++++++--------------------------------------
[13:13] <dholbach>  1 file changed, 316 insertions(+), 654 deletions(-)
[13:13] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$
[13:13] <dholbach> so it's hard for me to figure out what you changed
[13:14] <dholbach> you need to be very careful when you edit patches "by hand"
[13:15] <Iulian> Blah, I'm pretty lagged.
[13:15] <dholbach> so I can't say much about it right now, sorry
[13:15] <Iulian> Ok, then I will make a new one and don't remove those lines by hand.
[13:15] <dholbach> as I said... the debdiff works fine
[13:16] <dholbach> if you remove complete sections in it (say all changes to config.sub) that works fine
[13:16] <dholbach> just try your edited patch on the pristine sourcepackage and see how it works
[13:17] <Iulian> Ok, I will try that.
[13:17] <dholbach> the patch generally looks good though :)
[13:17] <dholbach> you might want to consider forwarding it to debian
[13:17] <Iulian> The first one, right?
[13:18] <dholbach> yeah, just skimmed through it
[13:18] <dholbach> good work :)
[13:18] <dholbach> do we have any other questions?
[13:19] <dholbach> if you're interested in getting started helping out http://daniel.holba.ch/really-fix-it might interest you
[13:19] <dholbach> it contains a lot of bugs that are "nearly fixed" :)
[13:20] <bobbo> dholbach; as i said in the thread on the forums, that list is brilliant :)
[13:20] <dholbach> thanks bobbo
[13:20] <dholbach> now we just need to work a bit to get those 1200+bugs down to 0 :)
[13:21] <dholbach> any questions? :)
[13:21] <Iulian> dholbach: Should I ask RainCT to try the first .debdiff ? I'm gonna forward it to debian but shouldn't be uploaded to Ubuntu first?
[13:21] <Iulian> Also I forwarded bug 196872 to debian as well.
[13:22] <dholbach> Iulian: we can upload it to ubuntu no problem, just make sure we get the packages in sync soon again
[13:22]  * Iulian fixed two bugs this week which are already uploaded.
[13:22]  * dholbach hugs Iulian
[13:22] <dholbach> good work
[13:22] <Iulian> dholbach: Ok, I will take care of it.
[13:22] <dholbach> rock on
[13:22]  * Iulian hugs dholbach back
[13:23] <Iulian> I still wainting for an answer from siretart on bug 198298
[13:23] <Iulian> I think that patch is ready too.
[13:23] <Iulian> But I will wait for Reinhard's comment.
[13:25] <Iulian> s/I still wainting/I'm still waiting
[13:26] <dholbach> Iulian: where and how is the icon installed?
[13:27] <Iulian> dholbach: IIRC the icon was in the source directory. I took the icon and converted to .xpm 32x32
[13:27] <dholbach> but the patch does not install the .xpm in the new package, does it?
[13:28] <Iulian> Hmm, it doesn't?
[13:28] <Iulian> Let me take a look at it again.
[13:28] <Iulian> You're talking about the nxtvepg package right?
[13:29] <dholbach> yes
[13:30] <Iulian> dholbach: I've added dh_install debian/nxtvepg.desktop /usr/share/applications and dh_desktop to install the icon.
[13:30] <Iulian> Did I missed something?
[13:30] <Iulian> Also the .desktop file looks good.
[13:30] <dholbach> you don't      dh_install         the .xpm file, do you?
[13:31] <Iulian> Nop
[13:31] <Iulian> I don't.
[13:32] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~$ less /var/cache/pbuilder/result/nxtvepg_2.7.6-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb | grep .xpm
[13:32] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~$
[13:32] <dholbach> it'd make sense to have it in /usr/share/pixmaps or something
[13:33] <Iulian> And how do I change it?
[13:33] <dholbach> dh_install debian/nxtvepg.xpm /usr/share/pixmaps  ?
[13:34] <Iulian> Instead of dh_install debian/nxtvepg.desktop /usr/share/applications ?
[13:34] <Amaranth> no, you want both of those
[13:34] <dholbach> no, both
[13:34] <Iulian> I thought so.
[13:34] <dholbach> great :)
[13:35] <Iulian> I'm doing the changes now and will submit a new debdiff.
[13:35] <dholbach> rock on
[13:36] <dholbach> any other questions? :)
[13:36]  * Iulian hugs dholbach!
[13:36] <dholbach> :-)
[13:36] <dholbach> it's also great some of you are into 5-a-day :)
[13:36] <bobbo> dholbach; can we ask questions about bugsquad/5-a-day?
[13:37] <dholbach> hehe
[13:37] <dholbach> sure
[13:37] <Iulian> Oh wait, before you upload the patch from bug #199201 please let me make a new debdiff. I said in the changelog Move homepage field... but I actually add it.
[13:37] <bobbo> (just a small one) how often are the stats updated on your server?
[13:37] <dholbach> Iulian: I'll leave it to siretart - no problem
[13:38] <Iulian> dholbach: Not that bug, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gliv/+bug/199201
[13:38] <dholbach> bobbo: a couple of times a day... the timestamp is on the bottom of the page
[13:38]  * bobbo goes to look
[13:39] <dholbach> Iulian: ah ok - well it's in the sponsoring queue so will be dealt with :)
[13:39] <bobbo> hehe hadn't seen that before, thanks :)
[13:39] <dholbach> bobbo: every hour (just checked)
[13:39] <Iulian> dholbach: Ok, thank you.
[13:39]  * Iulian is afk - lunch
[13:39] <dholbach> anytime
[13:40] <dholbach> Iulian: enjoy it
[13:40] <Iulian> Thanks
[13:40] <dholbach> do we have any other questions? anybody else on their path towards MOTU :)
[13:43] <dholbach> ok... if there are no other questions, I'll do it like Iulian and go out for lunch myself
[13:43] <dholbach> feel free to ask all your questions in #ubuntu-motu - there's always somebody there who might know :)
[13:43] <bobbo> bye dholbach, thanks :)
[13:43] <dholbach> have a great weekend and see you soon again :)
[13:44] <dholbach> bye bobbo :)
[23:06] <Heartsbane> Zelut: ping
[23:07] <Zelut> Heartsbane: pong
[23:07] <Heartsbane> Am I going to bump into you on Saturday, to talk wiki proposals so I can post something to the mailing list before Sunday?
[23:08] <Heartsbane> just curious
[23:09]  * Heartsbane thinks Zelut doesn't know.
[23:10] <Heartsbane> :(
[23:13] <Zelut> i forgot about the meeting saturday
[23:13] <Heartsbane> So I take it cat probably would not approve?
[23:14] <Heartsbane> if I see ya cool, if I don't bummer