| === Jay-laptop_ is now known as Jay-laptop | ||
| GrayFox | hey guys | 01:36 |
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| GrayFox | anyone who can help? | 01:36 |
| GrayFox | http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/742867 | 01:37 |
| kraut | moin | 08:06 |
| cjwatson | hey, does anyone know what happened to Ingo Molnar's patch to make relatime smarter? http://people.redhat.com/mingo/relatime-patches/improve-relatime.patch | 09:58 |
| cjwatson | I don't really care about the mount options to a huge extent, but I'm turning on relatime by default in Ubuntu and it would be good if we had the "Is the previous atime value older than a day? If yes, update atime" bit | 09:59 |
| cjwatson | which was at Linus' suggestion to avoid regressions in things like tmpwatch/tmpreaper, so I'm not sure why it hasn't been included | 10:00 |
| cjwatson | http://lwn.net/Articles/244829/ <- context | 10:02 |
| cjwatson | would also avoid regressing popularity-contest data | 10:03 |
| amitk | cjwatson: I'm look at it now | 10:04 |
| cjwatson | ta | 10:04 |
| maks | cjwatson: afaik it is merged in fedora but not mainlined yet | 10:06 |
| === maks is now known as maks_ | ||
| maks_ | fedora always ahead :D | 10:07 |
| cjwatson | Ingo works for RH, hardly surprising :P | 10:07 |
| maks_ | ;) | 10:07 |
| cjwatson | is the Fedora kernel in git anywhere? having no luck finding it | 10:08 |
| maks_ | good old cvs | 10:08 |
| maks_ | http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/rpms/kernel/devel/ | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 10:09 |
| maks_ | you can see kyle busily working :) np cjwatson | 10:09 |
| maks_ | need to watch that too for debian | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/rpms/kernel/devel/linux-2.6-smarter-relatime.patch?rev=1.5&view=log | 10:10 |
| maks_ | yep | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | amitk: want a bug? | 10:11 |
| firas | hello ---- how save Kernel IP routing table rules | 10:12 |
| amitk | cjwatson: bug is appreciated | 10:12 |
| firas | I lost them after reboot | 10:13 |
| maks_ | keep them in your pocket firas, wrong channel ask on #ubuntu for user support | 10:14 |
| * soren discovers that it says "relatime", not "realtime" and now finds that the discussion is starting to make sense. | 10:16 | |
| abogani | soren: :-) | 10:16 |
| firas | thank you MAKS -- I will not do becuas your hand some times visit my pocket | 10:16 |
| maks_ | firas you must mistake me for someone else :D | 10:17 |
| cjwatson | amitk: bug 199427 | 10:18 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199427 in linux "smarter relatime updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199427 | 10:18 |
| firas | MAKS is the thief of route rules be careful poeple | 10:20 |
| tjaalton | abogani: hey, there's a bug against lrm that needs some rt-love, bug 197130 :) | 10:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 197130 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[hardy] Black X screen and system halt after installing linux-rt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197130 | 10:24 |
| abogani | tjaalton: Ok, thanks | 10:24 |
| abogani | Seems to me that this patch is a good for inclusion in -rt... | 10:43 |
| amitk | cjwatson: it seems to me from reviewing the patch that we ought to enable CONFIG_DEFAULT_RELATIME in our kernel to force all filesystems use relatime by default. Do you see any drawbacks in that? | 10:56 |
| sivan | hi all | 11:03 |
| === sivan is now known as sivang | ||
| abogani | amitk: IMHO dump would be affected, at least | 11:05 |
| sivang | could anybody tell me if splash boot option is absolutely neccessary to have splashy doing it's thing when booting ? | 11:05 |
| cjwatson | amitk: I was less convinced about that; that's more painful for users to disable since it's not so fine-grained | 11:05 |
| sivang | I have it set up from the ubuntu package but nothing happens | 11:05 |
| sivang | I tried highring it's start prio in rcS.d and rc1.d but nothing | 11:06 |
| sivang | cjwatson: hey Colin | 11:06 |
| sivang | amitk: fellow from Israel? :) | 11:06 |
| amitk | cjwatson: so you plan on adding relatime to /etc/fstab? | 11:08 |
| amitk | sivang: no, amit is a very common name in India :) | 11:09 |
| cjwatson | amitk: already done :-) | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | at least for new installs | 11:10 |
| cjwatson | I sort of question adding it to existing installs | 11:10 |
| sivang | amitk: Ah, heh pleased to meet you then | 11:11 |
| amitk | cjwatson: that leaves all the upgraders out... | 11:12 |
| amitk | sivang: you too | 11:12 |
| cjwatson | amitk: your call | 11:13 |
| amitk | abogani: does dump use atime instead of ctime and mtime? | 11:14 |
| abogani | amitk: No, i wrong. Spoken before think. Sorry. | 11:17 |
| === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson | ||
| cjwatson | amitk: IIRC you were working with ogra on making CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND a boot parameter, since some hardware likes it one way and some the other; did anything come of that? | 12:15 |
| amitk | cjwatson: the key is to enable USB_PERSIST and make it runtime configurable. I think it is very much doable and I intend to work on it later today | 12:17 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 12:22 |
| BenC | Good morning folks | 13:38 |
| abogani | BenC: Good morning, sir! | 13:42 |
| BenC | cking_, amitk: I am prepping the next upload (-12.18), so if there is anything you want in, let me know now | 14:07 |
| cking_ | BenC: Nothing to add... fine by me. | 14:07 |
| cjwatson | if either of the relatime thing I mentioned earlier or the USB suspend/persist thing are straightforward, I'd appreciate having those in beta | 14:10 |
| cjwatson | did I remember to ask if anyone had picked up mjg59's VT font restoration patch? | 14:11 |
| cjwatson | http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/vt.diff | 14:11 |
| cjwatson | I confirmed that it fixed the font restoration problems from the hardy-console spec for me | 14:14 |
| amitk | cjwatson: mjg59's patch went in | 14:20 |
| amitk | so did relatime | 14:20 |
| amitk | working on USB persist now | 14:20 |
| amitk | BenC: how long do I have? I am reviewing the USB persist config option. | 14:20 |
| cjwatson | amitk: it did? awesome | 14:22 |
| BenC | amitk: probably can do it | 14:23 |
| BenC | amitk: I'm doing a test build now...make sure you pull before messing with config changes (had some updates to config files just pushed) | 14:24 |
| tjaalton | BenC: check bugs 199037 and 189185 | 14:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 199037 in linux "Null bytes in files access by 2 or more NFS clients" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199037 | 14:25 |
| amitk | BenC: yeah.. looks like enabling CONFIG_USB_PERSIST in i386/generic should be enough for the needs of ogra and eee pc guys. | 14:25 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 189185 in linux "Thinkpad X61 hangs when removing from dock" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189185 | 14:25 |
| BenC | tjaalton: do they have tested patches? | 14:25 |
| BenC | tjaalton: if not, I can't do much with them for this upload | 14:25 |
| tjaalton | BenC: both are applied upstream | 14:25 |
| amitk | BenC: great! so you decided to enable RELATIME by default :) | 14:26 |
| BenC | tjaalton: well I assumed that the relatime patch was only useful if we did enable it :) | 14:26 |
| cjwatson | heh, I'd already turned it on in the installer, but feel free to do it in the kernel too | 14:26 |
| BenC | well the patch presented a new option, so I figured it should be turned on...is it safe to do so right before beta? | 14:27 |
| amitk | BenC: the patch is fairly straight-forward and I am of the opinion that everyone (including upgraders) should benefit from relatime I/O savings. | 14:28 |
| BenC | That's good enough for me, so I'll leave it on | 14:29 |
| BenC | tjaalton: Just in time...I'll get both of those in, assuming they pass some trivial review and testing | 14:31 |
| BenC | tjaalton: 199037, that commit is already in our kernel | 14:33 |
| BenC | tjaalton: looks like it got cherry picked from some other report...so I'll mark this bug | 14:34 |
| BenC | amitk: so with your config changes, is usb-persist enabled by default? | 14:50 |
| BenC | smb: Tim had already bumped the ABI to -12, and the last one was -11...not sure what sort of ABI related failure you would have had though...are you sure it wasn't a module issue? | 14:52 |
| smb | BenC: Not completely, I just saw messages about abi check failed and by reflex bumped the abi. :-( | 14:53 |
| BenC | I'm doing a build now (reverted to -12), so I'll see what happens | 14:56 |
| smb | BenC: Ok, I will do the same on one of the porters and on my build machine. | 14:57 |
| BenC | amitk: I assumed that the USB_PERSIST thing was supposed to be enabled in config only, and we would add a mechanism to even then make it not enabled by default unless a proper kernel param was passed | 14:57 |
| amitk | BenC: on a closer look that feature is already implemented, as a power/persist file for each USB device. | 15:02 |
| amitk | so whatever device needs to enable it will just write to the 'persist' file from userspace | 15:03 |
| BenC | amitk: ah, ok | 15:05 |
| BenC | amitk: then maybe we should be consistent and enable it across the board? | 15:06 |
| amitk | BenC: I have mixed feelings about it. It would allow more users to potentially shoot themselves in the foot...but on the other hand everyone running -generic (i386) has already been given the gun. | 15:09 |
| === amitk is now known as amitk-afk | ||
| BenC | amitk-afk: yeah, which is like 90% | 15:29 |
| BenC | smb: ABI/module checks passed for me with -12 ABI set | 15:30 |
| BenC | smb: perhaps the -11 ABI files weren't present when you tried the compile the first time | 15:31 |
| === amitk-afk is now known as amitk | ||
| amitk | BenC: so I should enabled it across the board? | 15:31 |
| smb | BenC: Hm, I really have to look closer next time. :( | 15:32 |
| BenC | amitk: sure, can't hurt any more than enabling for -generic x86 | 15:33 |
| BenC | it's not like people will install -386 to get around the problem :) | 15:34 |
| amitk | heh, true | 15:34 |
| amitk | BenC: and I surely don't want to suggest creating another flavour :) | 15:34 |
| BenC | amitk: let me know when you have that ready...test build went fine, so I'm ready to upload | 15:41 |
| amitk | BenC: done | 15:43 |
| kraut | one general question, perhaps anyone could help me with this here: is it safe to give an user the possibility to use chroot /new/chroot via sudo as root? i am using a grsec-patched kernel, so it's not possible to mknod devices within the chroot. | 15:44 |
| BenC | kraut: you're better off using schroot package | 15:47 |
| BenC | amitk: thanks | 15:52 |
| kraut | BenC: what's schrott? | 15:52 |
| kraut | translated in german the word sounds not really trustable | 15:53 |
| kraut | ah, i see. | 15:55 |
| kraut | thanks BenC! | 15:55 |
| BenC | Ok, -12.18 is away | 16:07 |
| === BenC changed the topic of #ubuntu-kernel to: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam | Latest kernel upload: 2.6.24-12.18 | Latest news: 2.6.24 Release in Hardy | Next meeting: Mar 11, 17:00 UTC | Kernel Team machine: http://kernel.ubuntu.com | ||
| BenC | I'm going to sign off for awhile to do some maint on my laptop...if anyone needs me, my mobile is on me | 16:08 |
| === kylem_ is now known as kylem | ||
| amitk | smb: when Ben comes back online, could you tell him we need to respin the kernel. I forgot to push a lpia patch to solve a FTBFS. *sigh* I might do it over the weekend. | 17:04 |
| smb | amitk: Ok, I will tell him. Might be I found my problem as well. Missing modules in virtual... | 17:05 |
| amitk | smb: I mean the patch is pushed, but I might as well wait for all builds to be done before uploading another one | 17:06 |
| amitk | smb: thanks | 17:06 |
| smb | amitk: np. | 17:08 |
| smb | soren: should kvm modules be build for virtual? | 17:11 |
| * smb goes for some food | 17:13 | |
| soren | smb: Nope. | 17:14 |
| === thegodfather is now known as fabbione | ||
| amitk | smb: Ben forgot to enable relatime on the custom flavours, I just pushed patches | 18:35 |
| smb | soren: Hm, ok. It looks a bit like have been built before and this is being complained. Ok, then I try to fix that. | 18:41 |
| smb | amitk: Ok, I will tell him later. | 18:41 |
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| amitk | heya kylem_ | 21:19 |
| === clever[rev] is now known as clever | ||
| xhaker | noticed the new kernel update. just ftbs. could you include https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/187121 | 23:11 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 187121 in linux "Udma not fully available in Acer 1694 Wlmi" [Medium,Confirmed] | 23:11 |
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