[00:08] soundray called the ops in #ubuntu (Lars_G abusive) [00:10] LjL: soundray is just as guilty there [00:10] hm, Jack_Sparrow was in the midst of a conversation with the guy that just got banned .... [00:11] No prob, I was typing when he got rude... [00:11] Didnt see a thing until after the fact [00:11] [01:10:40] nickrud: Sorry, it rubbed the wrong way, I'm sorry if it was misconstrued. [00:11] [01:11:00] Jack_Sparrow: I installed from shell, with no X running.. heck I don't even have X running now. [00:12] LjL: ok, I see you let him back in anyway [00:12] i never took him out [00:12] it was a mute [00:12] heh. manner of speaking :) [00:12] and that's what he said while he was muted [00:13] LjL: what do I set as a mode for myself to see muted comments? [00:13] Give me an hour and I can come up with a funny answer [00:14] can some one help please? [00:14] Jack_Sparrow: I'll give you all the rope you want :) [00:14] deuryte, Sure , may we ask the problem [00:14] nickrud: +o [00:14] nickrud: and the channel must be +z [00:15] LjL: ah. That would explain it :) [00:15] nickrud: +z = half-moderation, i.e. ops can see what's being said by moderated/muted users [00:16] ok. Wouldn't you know it that just when I commit to learning this stuff so I can be more useful I get busier in real life. I expect to be up to speed soon, though. [00:16] Jack_Sparrow:ok, i just got cloaked on tuesday, today before i entred a channel i logged in to make sure i was cloaked , then a person showed me this > http://www.orkspace.net/owned/, then i went to "auditmypc.com" and sure enough... he got it.. can you explain why ? [00:17] deuryte, Sorry, I have no idea, but someone with more knowledge on that might.. [00:18] who do i see? [00:19] deuryte, the issue is twofold. first, of course, you shouldn't be able to be exploited, whether or not you have a cloak... [00:19] deuryte: second, you were exploited even with a cloak. i suppose it's this one you want to concentrate on? [00:20] yes, and the proof is in the above link... is freenode supposed to prevent that? and isnt just for that reason we are able to be cloaked? [00:21] deuryte: are you running linux? [00:22] ubuntu gutsy, w/firestarter fire wall [00:22] anyway] [00:22] well, a firewall is way overkill [00:22] that person was just tryin to frighten you [00:22] it shouldnt matter what im running, the protection belongs to freenode.. [00:22] so long as you don't 'make a root account' or hand your user password around to newsgroups, you have nothing to worry about [00:22] that has nothing to do with freenoe [00:22] freenode [00:23] that is just somone trying to scare you [00:23] whos software is doing the cloaking? [00:23] deuryte: it's done on the server [00:23] deuryte, first off, let us see if that thing might not just be a hoax, as nalioth says. [00:23] thats my point [00:23] and it's not in any way garuanteed to protect you from anything [00:23] LjL: it's a windows attack [00:23] deuryte: secondly, yes, a cloak will prevent people from seeing your IP, *if* you identify yourself to services properly, *and* you don't send automatic DCC replies [00:24] deuryte: i've been using linux since 1997 and never run an active firewall [00:24] i do nothing but talk in a #politics channel [00:24] deuryte: *but* anyway, that's not the right way to protect you, because people will try to attack machines randomly (including your own) even if you're *not on IRC* -- and they will succeed, if your machine is vulnerable. it's just bound to happen. [00:24] deuryte: i've never had any trouble [00:24] deuryte: say what? [00:24] deuryte: get out of here. [00:24] nalioth: that would explain it wouldn't it [00:24] hold on!! too many q's at same time [00:24] don't bring your #politics problems out of #politics any more [00:25] 1st [00:25] deuryte: that page is dynamically generated. You've been had [00:25] its a hoax? [00:25] yes [00:25] deuryte: read the following very carefully: Everything that is said in #politics is a lie. [00:25] deuryte, are you italian? [00:25] well, i went to "auditmypc.com" and lo........... he was exactly right [00:25] deuryte: you're fine [00:26] we all have open ports [00:26] stop saying that [00:26] deuryte: because that gif is generated when you access the page. [00:26] deuryte, are you italian or not? [00:26] stop [00:26] uh [00:26] deuryte: ok - are you on drugs? [00:26] is this better? [00:26] look, the ip , the date, the time, all match me, why is that? [00:27] You click on link -> server gets your IP and generates a gif -> you look at it and go "oh look its me" [00:27] deuryte, if *i* access it, they match *mine* [00:27] want screenshot? [00:27] deuryte: http://www.orkspace.net/owned/ is "fake" [00:27] mc44: that would explain it [00:27] mc44: do you get "gruppi" in italian too? that's a nice touch [00:28] besides, freenode cloak won't protect you when you're using your browser to open random pages -- it only hides your ip from other users of freenode === TheSheep_ is now known as TheSheep [00:28] indeed [00:28] mc44: so this person linked me to a place which shows ME all that info, not him ?? [00:28] deuryte: correct [00:28] you've been (sorry to say) OWNED [00:28] deuryte: yes. However, if he owned the website, he would have your IP [00:28] now stay out of #politics and you'll have a happier existence [00:28] nalioth: what does that mean?? [00:28] deuryte: the joke is on you [00:29] you've been made a bit of a fool of [00:29] deuryte, they're right when they say the only thing to be afraid of is fear... [00:29] you've caused 4 man hours of work trying to explain how you fell for a joke [00:29] well, sacred me [00:29] that was probably the point, deuryte [00:29] some people have nothing better to do [00:29] nalioth:well than i wont pay my taxes then u wont get paid.......... hows that? [00:29] #politics is a hell hole. stay out of it [00:29] deuryte: anyway, the hoax-independent lesson is, do NOT rely on cloaks or anything like that to "protect" you. rely on your computer being regularly updated, and not having installed anything you don't precisely know about. [00:30] deuryte, are you a troll? [00:30] fire starter should do well ? [00:30] LjL: he's worried over nothing. he's running major armor already (unnecessarily) [00:30] no [00:30] deuryte: you don't need _any_ active firewall [00:30] LjL: is every thing a joke to you? [00:30] firestarter closes ports that you shouldn't have open to begin with [00:30] know what you install [00:30] keep your system up to date [00:30] and you will live happily [00:30] hope we've helped [00:30] my system is only 1 wek old [00:31] and in fact, it wasn't hax0red. [00:31] ok, ill leave so you all can poke it till its dead, thanks for the relief......... [00:31] that is interesting. opera can't access that owned page [00:32] links2 loaded it just fine and even gave me the custom gif [00:33] i want that page so i can put it on my website portal [00:34] nalioth, good luck getting the sourcecode i guess [00:36] i'm working on it [00:38] that is a nifty page. nalioth don't forget you gave all that up :) [00:38] nalioth, uhm, unless you hack into the site... i don't see the source being anywhere on google [00:42] * nalioth whistles a happy tune [00:42] * nalioth sshushss nickrud [00:43] gave up what? :P [00:43] time to go spelunking . . . [00:44] i gave up philately to become an Ubuntu helper [00:44] y...eah [00:44] nalioth, you could always ask the website owner nicely :P [00:44] i already have [00:45] apache vulnerability and then catting to /dev/tty1 is not "nicely" [00:48] sssshhhh [00:50] nalioth: anyway i'd suggest *static* page, generated as instructed by the hoaxer, so it's not immediately clear to someone else clicking on it that it's a fake, and also checking the useragent for OS string, in order to give a list of open ports and groups that's credible for Ubuntu or whatever else [00:52] funny how hoaxer looks pretty similar to haxor by the way [00:53] it's php driven (orked) [00:53] * nalioth can't get at the underlying php [00:55] uhm, we still have a ton of "root_____"'s in #k [00:55] gonna kick some [00:56] there was something similar back in the day that'd make a popup and it had a javascript that showed your root tree along with "HI! We know where you keep it!" [00:56] of course, it has to be php using gd [00:57] yeah but javascript is a cheap trick [00:57] onthefly generated gif is l3333t [00:57] yep [00:58] what would be l3333ter is to actually have it call nmap [00:58] nalioth: yeah i thought about that, but which webhost allows you to do a portscan from php? (and doesn't kill you) [00:58] unless it's on your own machine that is [00:58] * nalioth whistles a happy tune [00:58] another time, perhaps [00:58] nalioth: should only call it on a couple commonly-open ports anyway, or it'd take way too long [01:12] * Seeker` wonders how mad the release day for Hardy willbe [02:05] hi [02:06] Hey there ubuntu_. [02:07] * PriceChild tries to put the hostmas to a nick. === ubuntu_ is now known as xp-killer [02:07] ok [02:08] who is in charge? [02:08] xp-killer: how can I help? [02:09] sorry i cant write to fast cause the keys are not set be default for french keyboard [02:10] wii? [02:10] yes [02:11] How can I help? [02:12] its being more then 5months since i was ban.when do i get unban if possible.cause after 5;onth of not using linux i forgot a lot of stuff and i need help right now [02:13] What ban? Where? [02:14] i tink i ban from all distro whqt have to do with kubuntu [02:15] distro? [02:15] sorry [02:15] rooms [02:16] i forgot [02:16] I don't believe you are. [02:16] im not? [02:17] Only #ubuntu-offtopic as far as I can tell. [02:17] so y i wqs redirected here? [02:17] was [02:18] xp-killer: please read the status window to tell me what channel you were redirected from. [02:19] kubuntu [02:19] #kubuntu ? [02:19] yes [02:20] Aha I missed that one. [02:21] soo? [02:21] odd, bantracker doesn't list it [02:21] are they still going leave it so? [02:22] im i realy ban for life? [02:23] hello [02:24] xp-killer: please be patient [02:25] ok [02:46] any opinions on emma in #ubuntu? [02:47] She causing trouble again? [02:48] ugh [02:48] she's good [02:48] expressing her (quasilegal) wishes [02:48] it was F.U instead of get bent. astro76 pointed it out, she came back with that one [02:48] grrr [02:48] so poke her in PM about "doing it the right way" [02:48] if she goes on about it again point here here [02:48] she is getting tiring [02:49] nalioth: what's 'the right way' you're speaking of? [02:50] nickrud: the one not involving the 'eff' word [02:50] she's already got that message [02:51] i suspect a better way . . . [02:51] *any* message like that is unacceptable, IMO [02:51] what if everyone did it? [02:51] and by allowing one person, you allow everyone. [02:51] so get her in here for a chat [02:51] let's do. [02:52] /m emma please /join #ubuntu-ops [02:52] * mneptok waits [02:53] Hello? I was invited here? [02:53] emma: it is unacceptable to add your little IRSeek comment to every line you send to #ubuntu [02:53] or any official channel [02:54] emma: if every user did it, it would be bedlam. which means that no users can do it. yourself included. [02:54] Why is that? [02:54] that's why. [02:54] Are you getting paid by the IRSeek corporation? [02:54] rflol [02:54] emma: it's about bulky fluff in busy channels [02:55] How can I indicate in my post that I don't give the IRSeek corporation permission to publish my content? [02:56] that's a good question. good luck as you look for an answer. [02:56] Because I really don't want to associate with a slimy disreputable Israeli corporation. And I don't give them permission to monitor me or violate me. [02:56] but "adding pointless disclaimers to every line i type" is not the answer [02:56] emma: /part #ubuntu then. [02:56] then don't /join #ubuntu [02:56] Maybe I could post that once and say it is in effect for the next 5 minutes kind of like Sudo? [02:56] emma: why? [02:56] emma: it is in no way legally binding. [02:57] Well who knows unless someone takes it to court. [02:57] I don't think you are a lawyer. [02:57] emma: but we do control content on that channel. Your choice. [02:57] i don;t think you are, either. and certainly not one specializing in Israeli free spech ethics. [02:57] *speech [02:57] Im not sure why the Ubuntu ops want to associate with a slimy disreputable Israeli corporation that has already proven that it cannot be trusted. [02:58] emma: may i suggest you put your disclaimer in your 'real name' field of your irc client [02:58] it's not our job to explain that. [02:58] emma: you may /whois me to see what i'm talking about [02:58] it is your job, as a memeber of the community, to follow the IRC guidelines. [02:58] mneptok: i think my suggestion is valid [02:58] you have been asked to stop certain behavior by the IRC ops. that's the issue now. [02:58] You see, dear Ubuntu ops, it is really people with the social skills exhibited by mneptok here that does you all such harm. [02:59] i was busy elsewhere and didn't get in on the beginning of this chat [02:59] Having someone tell me what 'my job' is is pretty offensive to someone who is well known to care a lot about freedom. [02:59] Pretty oppressive behavior to tell someone what their job is. [02:59] emma: freedom comes with responsibilities [02:59] You would make a good storm trooper with that bedside manner. [02:59] * mneptok invokes Godwin [02:59] emma: It appears that your social skills are limited to personal attacks. [02:59] emma: yes, well. i had the thought i proposed when i suggested you be invited here [02:59] me seconds mneptok [03:00] i think adding "no commercial entity may use my speech blah blah in the 'real name' field will work [03:00] Oh nickrud - very disappointing. I generally think you are above most of this. [03:00] nalioth, yes maybe so. [03:00] emma: personal attacks in support of my opinions? Yes, I am. I've only seen you do this [03:00] emma: now you are 'personally attacking'. [03:01] I am not personally attacking anyone. [03:01] I am followed all over IRC by Ubuntu ops and sent veiled threats by them so that's pretty rich. [03:01] I'm glad we can write this into your Ubuntu-ops log [03:01] It might be nice to have someone speaking truth to power now and then in this #ubuntu-ops-bat-cave [03:02] emma , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem [03:02] I'm very well aware of that ad hominem means. And I have not attacked anyone personally. [03:03] emma: the bottom line is: if you continue placing your legalese after everything you say in #ubuntu, you won't be there long. putting your boilerplate in your 'real name' field will work fine (and has been done before) [03:03] You see, dear Ubuntu ops, it is really people with the social skills exhibited by mneptok here that does you all such harm. [03:03] Yes, it is a fact that when you go around commanding people that does you all harm. [03:03] That was not a personal attack that was a statement of fact. You are, a bit like police. [03:04] and the storm trooper comment. I rest my case. Emma start your own server. Run it your way. Don't assume that simply because you're here it's gonna be run your way. [03:04] You must understand that when some policeman go bandying their batons in situations where it is not called for, that makes all the police seem disgusting. [03:04] emma: was there anything else? [03:04] lol was there anything else. [03:04] You invited me to come here. I should ask you if you have anything else. [03:05] Do you have anything else? [03:05] emma: i asked them to invite you to tell you about the 'real name' field. [03:05] i'm sorry i was not here when you joined, as i was taking care of other business [03:49] !ops [03:49] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud! [03:49] Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops () [03:49] drderek is in -offtopic, already annoying me [03:50] but I'm heading back to bed [03:50] Ok.. will look into it [03:53] Seveas: join the club. [03:54] Seveas: ? [03:57] Hobbsee: we got it [03:57] oh good [03:58] nalioth: so, why not kick irseek out, ignroe the fact that ubuntu does public logs under no set licence anyway, then just refuse to speak to emma? [03:58] eihter way, it appears that irseek is not being used at all anyway [03:58] if the irclogs.u.c is more palatable, then just keep that, and cut the whinging. [03:59] irseek will, if not already, copy the content at irclogs regardless [03:59] yes, we have mentioned that [03:59] i know she doesn't care. she likely won't be apeased until all logging is gone - so is somewhat of a lost cause. [04:00] but the rest, however... [04:00] if irseek is gone, then she has no leg to stand on. [04:00] there's no tangible evidence that anyone is logging for commercial gain [04:01] if she continues, or changes to a tirade about ubuntulog after that, then nuke her to kindom come, as she clearly isn't wanting to be a part of the channel. [04:02] nalioth: we seem to be getting no gain from it at all [04:03] you have a point [04:03] even if it goes for a couple of weeks - i doubt we'll see any backlash from them at all [04:03] er, from our irc people [04:03] everyone only looks at ubotu's or ubuntulog's logs anyway. [04:05] i honestly think that emma would be best served with the boilerplate in her "real name" field as logbots are sneaking in all the time [04:05] yeah - but i think others who don't like it, but are less vocal about it, have a point [04:05] you're right, i don't think that emmma will ever be happy [04:06] that may be true [04:09] nalioth: that being said, i wouldn't want to set a protocol that by people whining, they get what they want. People are usually taught that that doesn't work from a young age, when they throw tantrums. [04:12] understood [04:13] nalioth: in which case, my preference woudl be to kick it out (we're getting no tangible benefit from it anyway - no one's disputing ubuntulog's logs as it is), and if emma complains again....well, so be it, and we'll deal with it, likely less favourably, when the time comes. [04:13] i guess it can be put on a meeting agenda [04:13] nalioth: if people *do* start disputing ubuntulog's logs, then it would probably be worth putting it in [04:13] and when was the last meeting? [04:13] * nalioth would have to look at the wiki [04:14] nalioth: all you need is a council quorum. or one of us to kickban it, actually :) [04:14] yes, i know :) [04:15] Cpudan80 called the ops in #ubuntu (pacifico) [04:15] prince_jammys called the ops in #ubuntu (pacifico) [04:16] sigh. [04:18] If any of you have ops in ##linux, your help would be appreciated [04:18] pacifico is there too [04:19] nalioth: ^ [04:19] Fiedly got it [04:19] should get a kline (and I don't say that lightly) [04:19] Agreed [04:19] Yeah [04:20] I'm watching ##windows [04:20] Usually they go in a pattern [04:20] klined [04:20] :-) [04:20] thank you o great one ;) [04:20] oh good [04:20] * Cpudan80 sends gifts to nalioth [04:20] nick we got another nick is ops are fags [04:21] haha [04:21] personal insults I can handle :) [04:21] already gone [04:21] yep [04:24] I just found a voicemail on my phone from my cousin 'so i decided to check out ubuntu to see what its all about' - wooooo! 'but when it starts it goes on about a kernel panic, which seems a bit wierd, and then noacpi stuff... what should I do?' [04:24] PriceChild: is your cousin a troll ? [04:25] lol no [04:27] In #ubuntu-offtopic, danbhfive said: !stats what is the stats command? [04:29] what is up with limcore? [04:29] pissed at losing mail, letting off steam. I'll ask him to stop shortly [04:32] nickrud, he simply doesn't listen :( [04:33] kmail sucks, anyway [04:33] i thought it had stopped losing mail though [04:33] no0tic: true. [04:33] kmail never lost a mail here... :) [04:33] yay @ that bug. [04:34] In #ubuntu-offtopic, NeT_DeMoN_ said: !no stats is currently out of funding so is unavaliable at this time [04:37] imap ftw, though [04:39] evolution lost an imap mail just a couple days ago. Couldn't reproduce, but I switched to thunderbird. Too bad, I liked the calendaring [04:40] wasn't it still on the server? [04:40] nope. Not in the trash, not in any folder [04:40] nickrud, you can use lightning extension for thunderbird (https://addons.mozilla.org/it/thunderbird/addon/2313) [04:41] luckily it was one of those friendly emails, nothing work related [04:41] ouch [04:42] no0tic: I've used it, it's alright. I really like evolution though, it just feels right. Been using since beta days, and I'm really comfortable with it. But I can't chance losing an important mail. [04:42] nickrud, I see [04:42] * Hobbsee likes her thunderbird [04:43] no0tic: I'm in the process of looking at all the extensions. I've got to rearrange many of my work habits. thunderbird has too many options :) [04:49] I use very few of them: enigmail, lightning and contacts sidebar. I didn't find a tray icon extension.. it would be great [04:49] doesn't work for !windows. [04:50] :( [04:51] I am finally able to completely remove windows from my machines. The company provided one :) [04:58] Hobbsee, I found one [04:58] nickrud: i'm glad to hear that [04:58] oh? [04:59] Hobbsee, mozilla new mail tray icon for linux [05:00] ah right. that's different to what i was thinking [05:00] there's some in the reops === credible_ is now known as credible [05:55] In ubotu, andre said: hi,what is your name [07:06] In #ubuntu-offtopic, Taggard said: !abcd is efgh [07:14] no0tic: The only option for minimizing thunderbird to the tray at this time is alltray, yeah. [07:15] or has been. Hopefully new stuff works.. [07:16] tonyyarusso, I found an extension that minimizes it and changes the icon if new mail arrives [07:17] no0tic: what versions is it compatible with? [07:17] hrrr [07:17] Kmail <3 [07:17] * Hobbsee wonders why we have 47 pepole in here [07:17] tonyyarusso, latest [07:18] Hobbsee, we seem to have picked up some idlers [07:18] Seveas: seems os [07:18] *so [07:18] tonyyarusso, 2.0.0.12 afaik [07:18] at least emma and andre are unknowns to me [07:18] andre: hi how can we help you? [07:18] Seveas: yup [07:19] hmm [09:16] Seveas, pressent1r is a remnant of the romneybot precautions... [09:17] which since romney is no longer vying for presidency, are no longer needed? [09:17] maybe we'll see ronpaul bots [09:17] lol [09:18] Seveas, clearing the romneybot bans from the lists would give us back more space anyway [09:21] iirc it should give back 6 more slots, if not more [09:22] just create bigger banlists [09:22] our ban lists are allegedly as big as they can go [09:24] yup [09:24] maybe we should start expiring bans [09:35] probably a good idea [09:40] once i get my VPS, i think i might work on this [09:40] oh, wrong channel [09:41] * elkbuntu stabs her synaptics pad [09:41] why do they have limits on the size of ban lists? [09:41] Seeker`, managability [09:42] and, it forces us to clean out dynamic bans [09:43] how many ban slots are there? [09:46] not a clue [09:47] check how many bans are in the ban list atm, it'd be close enough to the limit -- we always are [10:31] hmm, it would seem that there are 432 bans in #ubuntu [10:31] Seeker`: default: 50 [10:31] Seeker`: if channel is +L by staff, no idea [10:31] so its just a little over the default then [10:41] hi kids [10:41] hey Tm_T [10:43] lo Tm_T [10:44] Seeker`, that doesnt include +d bans either, which count towards the limit [10:44] +d? [10:45] i dont know how to explain them, but know they exist [10:45] !modes [10:45] There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml [10:45] i think it's like realname bans [10:45] yep [10:45] elkbuntu: Yeah, it matches on realname === no0tic is now known as gioppo === gioppo is now known as no0tic [11:53] prince_jammys called the ops in #ubuntu (clane) [11:55]