[00:08] <ubotu> soundray called the ops in #ubuntu (Lars_G abusive)
[00:10] <Amaranth> LjL: soundray is just as guilty there
[00:10] <nickrud> hm, Jack_Sparrow was in the midst of a conversation with the guy that just got banned ....
[00:11] <Jack_Sparrow> No prob, I was typing when he got rude...
[00:11] <Jack_Sparrow> Didnt see a thing until after the fact
[00:11] <LjL> [01:10:40] <Lars_G> nickrud: Sorry, it rubbed the wrong way, I'm sorry if it was misconstrued.
[00:11] <LjL> [01:11:00] <Lars_G> Jack_Sparrow: I installed from shell, with no X running.. heck I don't even have X running now.
[00:12] <nickrud> LjL: ok, I see you let him back in anyway
[00:12] <LjL> i never took him out
[00:12] <LjL> it was a mute
[00:12] <nickrud> heh. manner of speaking :)
[00:12] <LjL> and that's what he said while he was muted
[00:13] <nickrud> LjL: what do I set as a mode for myself to see muted comments?
[00:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Give me an hour and I can come up with a funny answer
[00:14] <deuryte> can some one help please?
[00:14] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow: I'll give you all the rope you want :)
[00:14] <Jack_Sparrow> deuryte, Sure , may we ask the problem
[00:14] <LjL> nickrud: +o
[00:14] <LjL> nickrud: and the channel must be +z
[00:15] <nickrud> LjL: ah. That would explain it :)
[00:15] <LjL> nickrud: +z = half-moderation, i.e. ops can see what's being said by moderated/muted users
[00:16] <nickrud> ok. Wouldn't you know it that just when I commit to learning this stuff so I can be more useful I get busier in real life. I expect to be up to speed soon, though.
[00:16] <deuryte> Jack_Sparrow:ok, i just got cloaked on tuesday, today before i entred a channel i logged in to make sure i was cloaked , then a person showed me this   > http://www.orkspace.net/owned/,  then i went to "auditmypc.com" and sure enough... he got it.. can you explain why ?
[00:17] <Jack_Sparrow> deuryte, Sorry, I have no idea, but someone with more knowledge on that might..
[00:18] <deuryte> who do i see?
[00:19] <LjL> deuryte, the issue is twofold. first, of course, you shouldn't be able to be exploited, whether or not you have a cloak...
[00:19] <LjL> deuryte: second, you were exploited even with a cloak. i suppose it's this one you want to concentrate on?
[00:20] <deuryte> yes, and the proof is in the above link... is freenode supposed to prevent that? and isnt just for that reason we are able to be cloaked?
[00:21] <nalioth> deuryte: are you running linux?
[00:22] <deuryte> ubuntu gutsy, w/firestarter fire wall
[00:22] <deuryte> anyway]
[00:22] <nalioth> well, a firewall is way overkill
[00:22] <nalioth> that person was just tryin to frighten you
[00:22] <deuryte> it shouldnt matter what im running, the protection belongs to freenode..
[00:22] <nalioth> so long as you don't 'make a root account' or hand your user password around to newsgroups, you have nothing to worry about
[00:22] <nalioth> that has nothing to do with freenoe
[00:22] <nalioth> freenode
[00:23] <nalioth> that is just somone trying to scare you
[00:23] <deuryte> whos software is doing the cloaking?
[00:23] <nalioth> deuryte: it's done on the server
[00:23] <LjL> deuryte, first off, let us see if that thing might not just be a hoax, as nalioth says.
[00:23] <deuryte> thats my point
[00:23] <nalioth> and it's not in any way garuanteed to protect you from anything
[00:23] <nalioth> LjL: it's a windows attack
[00:23] <LjL> deuryte: secondly, yes, a cloak will prevent people from seeing your IP, *if* you identify yourself to services properly, *and* you don't send automatic DCC replies
[00:24] <nalioth> deuryte: i've been using linux since 1997 and never run an active firewall
[00:24] <deuryte> i do nothing but talk in a #politics channel
[00:24] <LjL> deuryte: *but* anyway, that's not the right way to protect you, because people will try to attack machines randomly (including your own) even if you're *not on IRC* -- and they will succeed, if your machine is vulnerable. it's just bound to happen.
[00:24] <nalioth> deuryte: i've never had any trouble
[00:24] <nalioth> deuryte: say what?
[00:24] <nalioth> deuryte: get out of here.
[00:24] <LjL> nalioth: that would explain it wouldn't it
[00:24] <deuryte> hold on!! too many q's at same time
[00:24] <nalioth> don't bring your #politics problems out of #politics any more
[00:25] <deuryte> 1st
[00:25] <mc44> deuryte: that page is dynamically generated. You've been had
[00:25] <deuryte> its a hoax?
[00:25] <mc44> yes
[00:25] <nalioth> deuryte: read the following very carefully:  Everything that is said in #politics is a lie.
[00:25] <LjL> deuryte, are you italian?
[00:25] <deuryte> well, i went to "auditmypc.com"  and lo...........  he was exactly right
[00:25] <nalioth> deuryte: you're fine
[00:26] <nalioth> we all have open ports
[00:26] <deuryte> stop saying that
[00:26] <mc44> deuryte: because that gif is generated when you access the page.
[00:26] <LjL> deuryte, are you italian or not?
[00:26] <deuryte> stop
[00:26] <LjL> uh
[00:26] <LjL> deuryte: ok - are you on drugs?
[00:26] <LjL> is this better?
[00:26] <deuryte> look, the ip , the date, the time, all match me, why is that?
[00:27] <mc44> You click on link -> server gets your IP and generates a gif -> you look at it and go "oh look its me"
[00:27] <LjL> deuryte, if *i* access it, they match *mine*
[00:27] <LjL> want screenshot?
[00:27] <stdin> deuryte: http://www.orkspace.net/owned/ is "fake"
[00:27] <deuryte> mc44:  that would explain it
[00:27] <LjL> mc44: do you get "gruppi" in italian too? that's a nice touch
[00:28] <TheSheep_> besides, freenode cloak won't protect you when you're using your browser to open random pages -- it only hides your ip from other users of freenode
[00:28] <LjL> indeed
[00:28] <deuryte> mc44:  so this person linked me to a place which shows ME all that info, not him ??
[00:28] <nalioth> deuryte: correct
[00:28] <nalioth> you've been (sorry to say) OWNED
[00:28] <mc44> deuryte: yes. However, if he owned the website, he would have your IP
[00:28] <nalioth> now stay out of #politics and you'll have a happier existence 
[00:28] <deuryte> nalioth: what does that mean??
[00:28] <nalioth> deuryte: the joke is on you
[00:29] <stdin> you've been made a bit of a fool of
[00:29] <LjL> deuryte, they're right when they say the only thing to be afraid of is fear...
[00:29] <nalioth> you've caused 4 man hours of work trying to explain how you fell for a joke
[00:29] <deuryte> well, sacred me
[00:29] <stdin> that was probably the point, deuryte 
[00:29] <stdin> some people have nothing better to do
[00:29] <deuryte> nalioth:well than i wont pay my taxes then u wont get paid..........  hows that?
[00:29] <nalioth>   #politics is a hell hole.  stay out of it
[00:29] <LjL> deuryte: anyway, the hoax-independent lesson is, do NOT rely on cloaks or anything like that to "protect" you. rely on your computer being regularly updated, and not having installed anything you don't precisely know about.
[00:30] <LjL> deuryte, are you a troll?
[00:30] <deuryte> fire starter should do well ?
[00:30] <nalioth> LjL: he's worried over nothing.  he's running major armor already (unnecessarily)
[00:30] <LjL> no
[00:30] <nalioth> deuryte: you don't need _any_ active firewall
[00:30] <deuryte> LjL: is every thing a joke to you?
[00:30] <LjL> firestarter closes ports that you shouldn't have open to begin with
[00:30] <LjL> know what you install
[00:30] <LjL> keep your system up to date
[00:30] <LjL> and you will live happily
[00:30] <LjL> hope we've helped
[00:30] <deuryte> my system is only 1 wek old
[00:31] <LjL> and in fact, it wasn't hax0red.
[00:31] <deuryte> ok, ill leave so you all can poke it till its dead, thanks for the relief.........
[00:31] <nalioth> that is interesting. opera can't access that owned page
[00:32] <nalioth> links2 loaded it just fine and even gave me the custom gif
[00:33] <nalioth> i want that page so i can put it on my website portal
[00:34] <LjL> nalioth, good luck getting the sourcecode i guess
[00:36] <nalioth> i'm working on it
[00:38] <nickrud>   that is a nifty page. nalioth don't forget you gave all that up :)
[00:38] <LjL> nalioth, uhm, unless you hack into the site... i don't see the source being anywhere on google
[00:42]  * nalioth whistles a happy tune
[00:42]  * nalioth sshushss nickrud 
[00:43] <LjL> gave up what? :P
[00:43] <nalioth> time to go spelunking . . . 
[00:44] <nalioth> i gave up philately to become an Ubuntu helper
[00:44] <LjL> y...eah
[00:44] <LjL> nalioth, you could always ask the website owner nicely :P
[00:44] <nalioth> i already have
[00:45] <LjL> apache vulnerability and then catting to /dev/tty1 is not "nicely"
[00:48] <nalioth> sssshhhh
[00:50] <LjL> nalioth: anyway i'd suggest *static* page, generated as instructed by the hoaxer, so it's not immediately clear to someone else clicking on it that it's a fake, and also checking the useragent for OS string, in order to give a list of open ports and groups that's credible for Ubuntu or whatever else
[00:52] <LjL> funny how hoaxer looks pretty similar to haxor by the way
[00:53] <nalioth> it's php driven (orked)
[00:53]  * nalioth can't get at the underlying php
[00:55] <LjL> uhm, we still have a ton of "root_____"'s in #k
[00:55] <LjL> gonna kick some
[00:56] <nalioth> there was something similar back in the day that'd make a popup and it had a javascript that showed your root tree along with "HI! We know where you keep it!"
[00:56] <LjL> of course, it has to be php using gd
[00:57] <LjL> yeah but javascript is a cheap trick
[00:57] <LjL> onthefly generated gif is l3333t
[00:57] <nalioth> yep
[00:58] <nalioth> what would be l3333ter is to actually have it call nmap
[00:58] <LjL> nalioth: yeah i thought about that, but which webhost allows you to do a portscan from php? (and doesn't kill you)
[00:58] <LjL> unless it's on your own machine that is
[00:58]  * nalioth whistles a happy tune
[00:58] <nalioth> another time, perhaps
[00:58] <LjL> nalioth: should only call it on a couple commonly-open ports anyway, or it'd take way too long
[01:12]  * Seeker` wonders how mad the release day for Hardy willbe
[02:05] <ubuntu_> hi
[02:06] <PriceChild> Hey there ubuntu_.
[02:07]  * PriceChild tries to put the hostmas to a nick.
[02:07] <xp-killer> ok
[02:08] <xp-killer> who is in charge?
[02:08] <PriceChild> xp-killer: how can I help?
[02:09] <xp-killer> sorry i cant write to fast cause the keys are not set be default for french keyboard
[02:10] <PriceChild> wii?
[02:10] <xp-killer> yes
[02:11] <PriceChild> How can I help?
[02:12] <xp-killer> its being more then 5months since i was ban.when do i get unban if possible.cause after 5;onth of not using linux i forgot a lot of stuff and i need help right now
[02:13] <PriceChild> What ban? Where?
[02:14] <xp-killer> i tink i ban from all distro whqt have to do with kubuntu
[02:15] <PriceChild> distro?
[02:15] <xp-killer> sorry
[02:15] <xp-killer> rooms
[02:16] <xp-killer> i forgot
[02:16] <PriceChild> I don't believe you are.
[02:16] <xp-killer> im not?
[02:17] <PriceChild> Only #ubuntu-offtopic as far as I can tell.
[02:17] <xp-killer> so y i wqs redirected here?
[02:17] <xp-killer> was
[02:18] <PriceChild> xp-killer: please read the status window to tell me what channel you were redirected from.
[02:19] <xp-killer> kubuntu
[02:19] <PriceChild> #kubuntu ?
[02:19] <xp-killer> yes
[02:20] <PriceChild> Aha I missed that one.
[02:21] <xp-killer> soo?
[02:21] <PriceChild> odd, bantracker doesn't list it
[02:21] <xp-killer> are they still going leave it so?
[02:22] <xp-killer> im i realy ban for life?
[02:23] <xp-killer> hello
[02:24] <nalioth> xp-killer: please be patient
[02:25] <xp-killer> ok
[02:46] <nickrud> any opinions on emma in #ubuntu?
[02:47] <PriceChild> She causing trouble again?
[02:48] <credible> ugh
[02:48] <nalioth> she's good
[02:48] <nalioth> expressing her (quasilegal) wishes
[02:48] <nickrud> it was F.U instead of get bent. astro76 pointed it out, she came back with that one
[02:48] <PriceChild> grrr
[02:48] <nalioth> so poke her in PM about "doing it the right way" 
[02:48] <PriceChild> if she goes on about it again point here here
[02:48] <nickrud> she is getting tiring
[02:49] <nickrud> nalioth: what's 'the right way' you're speaking of?
[02:50] <nalioth> nickrud: the one not involving the 'eff' word
[02:50] <nickrud> she's already got that message
[02:51] <nalioth> i suspect a better way . . .
[02:51] <mneptok> *any* message like that is unacceptable, IMO
[02:51] <mneptok> what if everyone did it?
[02:51] <mneptok> and by allowing one person, you allow everyone.
[02:51] <nalioth> so get her in here for a chat
[02:51] <mneptok> let's do.
[02:52] <mneptok>  /m emma please /join #ubuntu-ops
[02:52]  * mneptok waits
[02:53] <emma> Hello? I was invited here?
[02:53] <mneptok> emma: it is unacceptable to add your little IRSeek comment to every line you send to #ubuntu
[02:53] <mneptok> or any official channel
[02:54] <mneptok> emma: if every user did it, it would be bedlam. which means that no users can do it. yourself included.
[02:54] <emma> Why is that?
[02:54] <mneptok> that's why.
[02:54] <emma> Are you getting paid by the IRSeek corporation?
[02:54] <nickrud> rflol
[02:54] <nickrud> emma: it's about bulky fluff in busy channels
[02:55] <emma> How can I indicate in my post that I don't give the IRSeek corporation permission to publish my content?
[02:56] <mneptok> that's a good question. good luck as you look for an answer.
[02:56] <emma> Because I really don't want to associate with a slimy disreputable Israeli corporation. And I don't give them permission to monitor me or violate me.
[02:56] <mneptok> but "adding pointless disclaimers to every line i type" is not the answer
[02:56] <PriceChild> emma: /part #ubuntu then.
[02:56] <mneptok> then don't /join #ubuntu
[02:56] <emma> Maybe I could post that once and say it is in effect for the next 5 minutes kind of like Sudo?
[02:56] <mneptok> emma: why?
[02:56] <mneptok> emma: it is in no way legally binding.
[02:57] <emma> Well who knows unless someone takes it to court.
[02:57] <emma> I don't think you are a lawyer.
[02:57] <nickrud> emma: but we do control content on that channel. Your choice.
[02:57] <mneptok> i don;t think you are, either. and certainly not one specializing in Israeli free spech ethics.
[02:57] <mneptok> *speech
[02:57] <emma> Im not sure why the Ubuntu ops want to associate with a slimy disreputable Israeli corporation that has already proven that it cannot be trusted. 
[02:58] <nalioth> emma: may i suggest you put your disclaimer in your 'real name' field of your irc client
[02:58] <mneptok> it's not our job to explain that.
[02:58] <nalioth> emma:  you may /whois me to see what i'm talking about
[02:58] <mneptok> it is your job, as a memeber of the community, to follow the IRC guidelines.
[02:58] <nalioth> mneptok: i think my suggestion is valid
[02:58] <mneptok> you have been asked to stop certain behavior by the IRC ops. that's the issue now.
[02:58] <emma> You see, dear Ubuntu ops, it is really people with the social skills exhibited by mneptok here that does you all such harm. 
[02:59] <nalioth> i was busy elsewhere and didn't get in on the beginning of this chat
[02:59] <emma> Having someone tell me what 'my job' is is pretty offensive to someone who is well known to care a lot about freedom. 
[02:59] <emma> Pretty oppressive behavior to tell someone what their job is. 
[02:59] <mneptok> emma: freedom comes with responsibilities
[02:59] <emma> You would make a good storm trooper with that bedside manner.
[02:59]  * mneptok invokes Godwin
[02:59] <nickrud> emma: It appears that your social skills are limited to personal attacks.
[02:59] <nalioth> emma: yes, well. i had the thought i proposed when i suggested you be invited here
[02:59] <nickrud> me seconds mneptok 
[03:00] <nalioth> i think adding "no commercial entity may use my speech blah blah in the 'real name' field will work
[03:00] <emma> Oh nickrud - very disappointing. I generally think you are above most of this.
[03:00] <emma> nalioth,  yes maybe so. 
[03:00] <nickrud> emma: personal attacks in support of my opinions? Yes, I am. I've only seen you do this
[03:00] <nalioth> emma: now you are 'personally attacking'.
[03:01] <emma> I am not personally attacking anyone. 
[03:01] <emma> I am followed all over IRC by Ubuntu ops and sent veiled threats by them so that's pretty rich.
[03:01] <emma> I'm glad we can write this into your Ubuntu-ops log 
[03:01] <emma> It might be nice to have someone speaking truth to power now and then in this #ubuntu-ops-bat-cave
[03:02] <nickrud> emma , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem 
[03:02] <emma> I'm very well aware of that ad hominem means. And I have not attacked anyone personally. 
[03:03] <nalioth> emma: the bottom line is: if you continue placing your legalese after everything you say in #ubuntu, you won't be there long.  putting your boilerplate in your 'real name' field will work fine (and has been done before)
 You see, dear Ubuntu ops, it is really people with the social skills exhibited by mneptok here that does you all such harm.
[03:03] <emma> Yes, it is a fact that when you go around commanding people that does you all harm.
[03:03] <emma> That was not a personal attack that was a statement of fact. You are, a bit like police.
[03:04] <nickrud> and the storm trooper comment. I rest my case. Emma start your own server. Run it your way. Don't assume that simply because you're here it's gonna be run your way.
[03:04] <emma> You must understand that when some policeman go bandying their batons in situations where it is not called for, that makes all the police seem disgusting.
[03:04] <nalioth> emma: was there anything else?
[03:04] <emma> lol was there anything else.
[03:04] <emma> You invited me to come here. I should ask you if you have anything else. 
[03:05] <emma> Do you have anything else?
[03:05] <nalioth> emma: i asked them to invite you to tell you about the 'real name' field.
[03:05] <nalioth> i'm sorry i was not here when you joined, as i was taking care of other business
[03:49] <Seveas> !ops
[03:49] <ubotu> Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, Seveas, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow or nickrud!
[03:49] <ubotu> Seveas called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()
[03:49] <Seveas> drderek is in -offtopic, already annoying me
[03:50] <Seveas> but I'm heading back to bed
[03:50] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok.. will look into it
[03:53] <mneptok> Seveas: join the club.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ?
[03:57] <nalioth> Hobbsee: we got it
[03:57] <Hobbsee> oh good
[03:58] <Hobbsee> nalioth: so, why not kick irseek out, ignroe the fact that ubuntu does public logs under no set licence anyway, then just refuse to speak to emma?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> eihter way, it appears that irseek is not being used at all anyway
[03:58] <Hobbsee> if the irclogs.u.c is more palatable, then just keep that, and cut the whinging.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> irseek will, if not already, copy the content at irclogs regardless
[03:59] <nalioth> yes, we have mentioned that
[03:59] <Hobbsee> i know she doesn't care.  she likely won't be apeased until all logging is gone - so is somewhat of a lost cause.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> but the rest, however...
[04:00] <Hobbsee> if irseek is gone, then she has no leg to stand on.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> there's no tangible evidence that anyone is logging for commercial gain
[04:01] <Hobbsee> if she continues, or changes to a tirade about ubuntulog after that, then nuke her to kindom come, as she clearly isn't wanting to be a part of the channel.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> nalioth: we seem to be getting no gain from it at all
[04:03] <nalioth> you have a point
[04:03] <Hobbsee> even if it goes for a couple of weeks - i doubt we'll see any backlash from them at all
[04:03] <Hobbsee> er, from our irc people
[04:03] <Hobbsee> everyone only looks at ubotu's or ubuntulog's logs anyway.
[04:05] <nalioth> i honestly think that emma would be best served with the boilerplate in her "real name" field as logbots are sneaking in all the time
[04:05] <Hobbsee> yeah - but i think others who don't like it, but are less vocal about it, have a point
[04:05] <Hobbsee> you're right, i don't think that emmma will ever be happy
[04:06] <nalioth> that may be true
[04:09] <Hobbsee> nalioth: that being said, i wouldn't want to set a protocol that by people whining, they get what they want.  People are usually taught that that doesn't work from a young age, when they throw tantrums.
[04:12] <nalioth> understood
[04:13] <Hobbsee> nalioth: in which case, my preference woudl be to kick it out (we're getting no tangible benefit from it anyway - no one's disputing ubuntulog's logs as it is), and if emma complains again....well, so be it, and we'll deal with it, likely less favourably, when the time comes.
[04:13] <nalioth> i guess it can be put on a meeting agenda
[04:13] <Hobbsee> nalioth: if people *do* start disputing ubuntulog's logs, then it would probably be worth putting it in
[04:13] <Hobbsee> and when was the last meeting?
[04:13]  * nalioth would have to look at the wiki
[04:14] <Hobbsee> nalioth: all you need is a council quorum.  or one of us to kickban it, actually :)
[04:14] <nalioth> yes, i know  :)
[04:15] <ubotu> Cpudan80 called the ops in #ubuntu (pacifico)
[04:15] <ubotu> prince_jammys called the ops in #ubuntu (pacifico)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> sigh.
[04:18] <Cpudan80> If any of you have ops in ##linux, your help would be appreciated 
[04:18] <Cpudan80> pacifico is there too
[04:19] <Hobbsee> nalioth: ^
[04:19] <Cpudan80> Fiedly got it
[04:19] <nickrud> should get a kline (and I don't say that lightly)
[04:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Agreed
[04:19] <Cpudan80> Yeah
[04:20] <Cpudan80> I'm watching ##windows
[04:20] <Cpudan80> Usually they go in a pattern
[04:20] <nalioth> klined
[04:20] <Cpudan80> :-)
[04:20] <nickrud> thank you o great one ;)
[04:20] <Hobbsee> oh good
[04:20]  * Cpudan80 sends gifts to nalioth
[04:20] <Jack_Sparrow> nick  we got another nick is ops are fags
[04:21] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:21] <nickrud> personal insults I can handle :)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> already gone
[04:21] <Jack_Sparrow> yep
[04:24] <PriceChild> I just found a voicemail on my phone from my cousin 'so i decided to check out ubuntu to see what its all about' - wooooo! 'but when it starts it goes on about a kernel panic, which seems a bit wierd, and then noacpi stuff... what should I do?'
[04:24] <nickrud> PriceChild: is your cousin a troll ?
[04:25] <PriceChild> lol no
[04:27] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, danbhfive said: !stats what is the stats command?
[04:29] <nalioth> what is up with limcore?
[04:29] <nickrud> pissed at losing mail, letting off steam. I'll ask him to stop shortly
[04:32] <no0tic> nickrud, he simply doesn't listen :(
[04:33] <Hobbsee> kmail sucks, anyway
[04:33] <Hobbsee> i thought it had stopped losing mail though
[04:33] <nickrud> no0tic: true. 
[04:33] <no0tic> kmail never lost a mail here... :)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> yay @ that bug.
[04:34] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, NeT_DeMoN_ said: !no stats is currently out of funding so is unavaliable at this time
[04:37] <Hobbsee> imap ftw, though
[04:39] <nickrud> evolution lost an imap mail just a couple days ago. Couldn't reproduce, but I switched to thunderbird. Too bad, I liked the calendaring
[04:40] <Hobbsee> wasn't it still on the server?
[04:40] <nickrud> nope. Not in the trash, not in any folder
[04:40] <no0tic> nickrud, you can use lightning extension for thunderbird (https://addons.mozilla.org/it/thunderbird/addon/2313)
[04:41] <nickrud> luckily it was one of those friendly emails, nothing work related
[04:41] <Hobbsee> ouch
[04:42] <nickrud> no0tic: I've used it, it's alright. I really like evolution though, it just feels right. Been using since beta days, and I'm really comfortable with it. But I can't chance losing an important mail.
[04:42] <no0tic> nickrud, I see
[04:42]  * Hobbsee likes her thunderbird
[04:43] <nickrud> no0tic: I'm in the process of looking at all the extensions. I've got to rearrange many of my work habits. thunderbird has too many options :)
[04:49] <no0tic> I use very few of them: enigmail, lightning and contacts sidebar. I didn't find a tray icon extension.. it would be great
[04:49] <Hobbsee> doesn't work for !windows.
[04:50] <no0tic> :(
[04:51] <nickrud> I am finally able to completely remove windows from my machines. The company provided one :)
[04:58] <no0tic> Hobbsee, I found one
[04:58] <nalioth> nickrud: i'm glad to hear that
[04:58] <Hobbsee> oh?
[04:59] <no0tic> Hobbsee, mozilla new mail tray icon for linux
[05:00] <Hobbsee> ah right.  that's different to what i was thinking
[05:00] <Hobbsee> there's some in the reops
[05:55] <ubotu> In ubotu, andre said: hi,what is your name
[07:06] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Taggard said: !abcd is efgh
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> no0tic: The only option for minimizing thunderbird to the tray at this time is alltray, yeah.
[07:15] <tonyyarusso> or has been.  Hopefully new stuff works..
[07:16] <no0tic> tonyyarusso, I found an extension that minimizes it and changes the icon if new mail arrives
[07:17] <tonyyarusso> no0tic: what versions is it compatible with?
[07:17] <Tm_T> hrrr
[07:17] <Tm_T> Kmail <3
[07:17]  * Hobbsee wonders why we have 47 pepole in here
[07:17] <no0tic> tonyyarusso, latest
[07:18] <Seveas> Hobbsee, we seem to have picked up some idlers
[07:18] <Hobbsee> Seveas: seems os
[07:18] <Hobbsee> *so
[07:18] <no0tic> tonyyarusso, 2.0.0.12 afaik
[07:18] <Seveas> at least emma and andre are unknowns to me
[07:18] <Tm_T> andre: hi how can we help you?
[07:18] <Tm_T> Seveas: yup
[07:19] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:16] <elkbuntu> Seveas, pressent1r is a remnant of the romneybot precautions... 
[09:17] <elkbuntu> which since romney is no longer vying for presidency, are no longer needed?
[09:17] <Seveas> maybe we'll see ronpaul bots
[09:17] <elkbuntu> lol
[09:18] <elkbuntu> Seveas, clearing the romneybot bans from the lists would give us back more space anyway
[09:21] <elkbuntu> iirc it should give back 6 more slots, if not more
[09:22] <Hobbsee> just create bigger banlists
[09:22] <elkbuntu> our ban lists are allegedly as big as they can go
[09:24] <Seveas> yup
[09:24] <Seveas> maybe we should start expiring bans
[09:35] <elkbuntu> probably a good idea
[09:40] <elkbuntu> once i get my VPS, i think i might work on this
[09:40] <elkbuntu> oh, wrong channel
[09:41]  * elkbuntu stabs her synaptics pad
[09:41] <Seeker`> why do they have limits on the size of ban lists?
[09:41] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, managability
[09:42] <elkbuntu> and, it forces us to clean out dynamic bans
[09:43] <Seeker`> how many ban slots are there?
[09:46] <elkbuntu> not a clue
[09:47] <elkbuntu> check how many bans are in the ban list atm, it'd be close enough to the limit -- we always are
[10:31] <Seeker`> hmm, it would seem that there are 432 bans in #ubuntu
[10:31] <jpatrick> Seeker`: default: 50
[10:31] <jpatrick> Seeker`: if channel is +L by staff, no idea
[10:31] <Seeker`> so its just a little over the default then
[10:41] <Tm_T> hi kids
[10:41] <jpatrick> hey Tm_T 
[10:43] <Seeker`> lo Tm_T 
[10:44] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, that doesnt include +d bans either, which count towards the limit
[10:44] <Seeker`> +d?
[10:45] <elkbuntu> i dont know how to explain them, but know they exist
[10:45] <Seeker`> !modes
[10:45] <ubotu> There are many different channel and user modes on !freenode. Here's a list: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[10:45] <elkbuntu> i think it's like realname bans
[10:45] <jpatrick> yep
[10:45] <Seeker`> elkbuntu: Yeah, it matches on realname
[11:53] <ubotu> prince_jammys called the ops in #ubuntu (clane)
[11:55] <elkbuntu> ^^^ very foul picture :(
[12:27] <Myrtti> Amaranth: !
[12:27] <Amaranth> Myrtti: ?
[12:28] <Myrtti> tsk
[13:37] <Mez> Seveas, ignore the message
[13:43] <Seveas> Mez, ?
[13:43] <Seveas> you mean the sms? :)
[13:45] <Mez> yeah
[13:45] <Mez> Seveas, yes ... *
[13:45] <Seveas> :)
[13:46]  * Seeker` wonders if any other countries refer to sms messages as "text messages" or "texts"
[13:46] <Mez> Seeker`, they do over here...
[13:46] <Mez> (in the UK :)
[13:47] <Seeker`> Mez: Seeing as I'm in the UK, it doesn't really count as another country :P
[13:47] <Mez> Seeker`, I know :P
[13:47] <Mez> Seveas, the only reason I said it just now was cause I just had a delivery report saying it was recieved
[13:48] <Seveas> yeahm I just plugged my phone into some nice volts
[13:48] <Mez> hehe
[13:48] <Seeker`> Seveas: As opposed to "bad volts"?
[13:48] <Seveas> Seeker`, bad volts ar what I charge users with
[13:48] <Seveas> they tickle more
[13:49] <jdong> Seeker`: the bad ones are the 19-36V flux when the line rings
[13:49] <jdong> Seeker`: and teach a lesson to people who try to siphon free power from the phone lines
[14:00] <jrib> about 10 copies of 88.232.184.171 just joined #ubuntu
[14:00] <jrib> and left
[14:33] <LjL> jrib: those might be the turkish spammers again...
[14:33] <LjL> they were 88.232.*.*
 WARNING: xhaCkeR_mi_S, aysemlue, Beyazz, hFyuve, boylessine, GORURSENe, canimm, urpertsici, arkadaus are all connected from 88.232.184.171
[14:35] <LjL> they seem to all have XXXXX as realname
[14:35] <Mez> hmmles
[14:35] <Mez> Where'd my KOS script go
[14:35] <LjL> Mez: your what?
[14:35] <Mez> "Kill on sight"
[14:35] <LjL> ah :)
[14:36] <Mez> Though that wont work here anyways
[14:36] <LjL> Mez: are you an ircop on other networks?
[14:36] <Mez> yes
[15:01] <jpatrick> guys, I'm going to clear ancient bans from the -motu list
[15:01] <jpatrick> s/guys/folks
[15:19] <ubotu> jpatrick called the ops in #ubuntu (Sylvia- - spam bot)
[15:19] <jpatrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58738/
[15:19] <jpatrick> oh, right, everyone /cycle-ing now
[15:20] <Dave2> Mez, can you please leave spambots so we can check 'em and K:line
[15:21] <Mez> Dave2, ah, sorry
[15:21] <Mez> -ChanServ- #ubuntu] Welcome to #ubuntu! Please read the channel topic and consider spending some time on the FAQ mentioned there
[15:21] <Mez> -Sylvia-- Hello, play online with me , http //jugar-online.blogspot com/}
[15:21] <jpatrick> Mez: hence my pastebin
[15:21] <jpatrick> ;-)
[15:40] <jdong> could we make it a policy to redirect !paste into people?
[15:40] <jdong> it tends to flood just as much as the original flood to begin with
[15:40] <jpatrick> jdong: !paste > jdong it?
[15:40] <LjL> jdong, wait for ubotu v2
[15:41] <LjL> jdong: i think having factoids that only work on redirect may have its merits
[15:42] <jpatrick> LjL: yes, but how would the bot know who to redirect to?
[15:43] <LjL> jpatrick: well, it wouldn't, you'd need to know about it. i think the *caller* could get a PM saying "Sorry, that commands needs a target user to work, use !factoid > nickname"
[15:43] <LjL> just an idea
[15:43] <jpatrick> ah
[15:43] <LjL> i think you could also have factoids that give a brief summary in the channel, *and* more links and explanations in PM
[15:44] <LjL> to reconcile things that are handy to have everyone see, without flooding the channel too much
[15:44] <stdin> maybe triggered by !list ;)
[15:44] <LjL> doing !list should get you banned :P
[15:45] <jdong> is everyone allowed to !list??
[15:46] <LjL> jdong: why not?
[15:47] <Seeker`> what does !list do/
[15:47] <stdin> list is just an alias to !ubotu
[15:47] <LjL> yeah, but it's the *intent* that should be banned for :)
[15:48] <Seeker`> !list
[15:48] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[15:48] <stdin> on some "other" servers, it's a command for bots to send a list of files to download (usually illegally copied things)
[15:48] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[15:49] <LjL> stdin: like *all* other servers? :P
[15:49] <stdin> servers not as virtuous as freenode anyway
[15:50] <jdong> LjL: oh I thought !list would list all factoids
[15:50] <LjL> yikes no
[15:50] <LjL> there is no such command actually
[15:50] <nickrud> virtuous? Have any of you actually met nalioth :)
[15:50] <PriceChild> doesn't it normally list all 'real' commands?
[15:50] <PriceChild> @list
[15:50] <ubotu> Admin, Bantracker, Bugtracker, Channel, Config, Encyclopedia, Filter, FreenodeAuth, Lart, Mess, Misc, Owner, Services, User, and Webcal
[15:50] <PriceChild> like that ^
[15:50] <stdin> http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi lists the factoids
[15:52] <LjL> Pici: not with !
[15:53] <LjL> nickrud: thank god not
[15:54] <PriceChild> nickrud: you know how there are a few people on the access list you've never seen before?
[15:54] <nickrud> PriceChild: yes, most
[15:54] <PriceChild> Well why do you think they aren't around anymore?
[15:54] <LjL> heh
[15:55] <nickrud> mmmm....
[15:55] <nickrud> ah well. work calls. If you never hear from me again ...
[16:24] <LjL> #ubuntu banlist is full please, time to clean old bans
[16:24] <LjL> s/please/people/
[16:35]  * Mez just cleaned some of his
[16:38] <LjL> i just go and clean the non-nickname, non-ident bans that are more than a month old and don't obviously look like static addresses
[16:39]  * Seeker` wonders how a static address looks different to a dynamic one
[16:40] <LjL> Seeker`, "l33t.hax0rs.box.sk" would be static.
[16:40] <Seeker`> fair enough
[16:40] <LjL> also, "192-168-0-2.static.vericomcastaol.com" would be static
[16:40] <Seeker`> I thought you were referring to IPs
[16:41]  * Seeker` gets an odd feeling about aharksparr in -offtopic
[16:44] <Mez> and "pokethesmot"
[16:44] <Seeker`> I think I've seen poke in there before, and didn't seem too bad
[16:44] <Seeker`> but aharksparr just seems odd
[16:45] <Mez> mmhmm... I've opped temporarily, it has a calming effect some times
[16:46] <Seeker`> :)
[16:48] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[16:48] <Seeker`> Mez: You watching?
[16:48] <Mez> Seeker`, :P
[16:49] <Mez> elkbuntu, around?
[17:30] <ubotu> In ubotu, flipstar said: hello +this is a test
[18:04] <mneptok> @btlogin
[19:06] <PriceChild> grrr hit my head on the fireplace
[19:30] <Gary> ouch
[19:32] <Seeker`> PriceChild: that was silly
[20:22] <band4life> LjL?
[20:59] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (zokorasa)
[21:22] <PriceChild> Wtf... why has the CC's email address disappeared?
[21:22] <PriceChild> Its not on the wiki, its not on lists.u.c, its not on the launchpad page...
[21:27] <nalioth> PriceChild: ruh roh
[21:27] <PriceChild> Found it in my sent mails
[21:27] <PriceChild> but that's a bit odd....
[21:28] <PriceChild> watched a little of 'thought crimes' last night... and the woman who can read minds notices how the dashing male lead is always singing the scooby doo theme tune in his head
[21:28] <PriceChild> I guess nalioth is too.
[21:28]  * nalioth is constantly processing
[21:29] <jpatrick> PriceChild: I think it's on https://lists.ubuntu.com/ - can't load pages right now
[21:29] <PriceChild> jpatrick: it isn't
[21:31] <jpatrick> hmmm
[21:50] <picard_pwns_kirk> hello people
[21:50] <picard_pwns_kirk> I have a ban to appeal
[21:51] <PriceChild> Hey there.
[21:51] <PriceChild> What channel?
[21:51] <Seveas> picard_pwns_kirk, when, where and why was this ban set?
[21:51] <picard_pwns_kirk> #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:51] <picard_pwns_kirk> set app. 1 week ago
[21:51] <picard_pwns_kirk> I ctcp'd the chan
[21:51] <picard_pwns_kirk> no one ever told me it was bad
[21:51] <ubotu> Odd-rationale called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[21:52] <picard_pwns_kirk> and i was bored
[21:54] <Seveas> picard_pwns_kirk, did you appeal before?
[21:54] <picard_pwns_kirk> yeah
[21:54] <picard_pwns_kirk> last week
[21:54] <picard_pwns_kirk> the op got annoyed when I asked why it was bad
[21:54] <picard_pwns_kirk> and I left
[21:55] <Seveas> who was the op?
[21:55] <picard_pwns_kirk> ompaul, IIRC
[21:55] <Seveas> (having trouble with my logs atm)
[21:55] <Seveas> well, you're not notoriouslt troublesome. Just don't do it again
[21:55] <picard_pwns_kirk> k
[21:55] <Seveas> ban removed
[21:55] <picard_pwns_kirk> thanks, man
[21:56] <PriceChild> !guidelines > picard_pwns_kirk
[21:57] <Seeker`> PriceChild: too late
[21:59] <ubotu> Odd-rationale called the ops in #ubuntu (soltaraefv)
[22:01] <nickrud> I'm assuming the staff is trying to track the troll coming in as soltaraefv and zokorasa and some others?
[22:01] <Seveas> !staff
[22:01] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[22:01] <nalioth> Seveas: klined
[22:01] <Seveas> nalioth, he's been coming in from several IP's
[22:02] <nalioth> we'll just have to do what we do
[22:03] <ompaul> Seveas, nick?
 I'm assuming the staff is trying to track the troll coming in as soltaraefv and zokorasa and some others?
[22:03] <ompaul> Seveas, thanks
[22:03] <nickrud> nalioth: figured you would, wasn't sure if you were aware yet
[22:05] <band4lif1> LjL
[22:05] <band4lif1> ?
[22:06] <ompaul> lets see 
[22:06] <ompaul> band for life and evade 
[22:06] <ompaul> how to impress
[22:09] <band4lif1> ompaul  huh?
[22:09] <ompaul> work it out
[22:10] <band4lif1> im not really band for life am I?
[22:10] <ompaul> well you call yourself that 
[22:10] <band4lif1> i find it whimsical
[22:11] <ompaul> and you use evade as a name - you will inspire confidence in those you try to communicate with
[22:11] <band4lif1> what do you mean I use evade as a name?
[22:11] <nalioth> band4lif1: don't play games with us
[22:11] <band4lif1> I dont see any thing that says evade.
[22:11] <ompaul> I do  evade@69-179-65-101.dyn.centurytel.net
[22:11] <band4lif1> I dont get email
[22:11] <ompaul> and for taking me for a fool I thank you 
[22:11] <band4lif1> ???
[22:11] <ompaul> or maybe not
[22:12] <ompaul> go away
[22:12] <band4lif1> well Ill leave you to your amazing existence as a channel operator.  farewell
[22:13] <ompaul> its a chore but I do it for a community 
[22:13] <ompaul> so work that out
[22:13] <ompaul> have a nice time 
[22:13] <band4lif1> how about I actually go to work
[22:13] <Seveas> good idea
[22:13] <ompaul> wow - I been working for over 25 years at this stage .. so I know that gig don't impress me much
[22:14] <band4lif1> and as far as a community goes, I am part of it, whether you like it or not.  Now just because I ASKED about evading, doesnt mean I evade.  Sure I was angry and SAID I was going too, but I DID NOT.  so your ban is unjust, and most of you are pompous.  
[22:15] <ompaul> the next comedy show is on in 30 mins
[22:15] <Seveas> band4lif1, err, namecalling doesn't really help
[22:15] <Seveas> LjL is not here atm so either cool down or leave please
[22:17] <band4lif1> seveas I am at a loss of ideas at the moment.  every time I come in here you lecture me on evading, and tell me to leave, without giving me any answers.  I am tired of searching for this op who has a personal vendetta against me for nothing but curiosity.  If I was against this community I would have begun my evading weeks ago, but I respect your rules.  And am trying to seek a positive end.  All I ask is for you to show me the respe
[22:18] <band4lif1> and help me get back in :-)
[22:18] <ompaul> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[22:18] <Seveas> band4lif1, I'm not at all interested in your situation so until LjL arrives, there's nothing I can do
[22:19] <band4lif1> thank you
[22:19] <band4lif1> have a good evening, farewell
[22:36] <PriceChild> mrunagi wants to come back into this channel.
[22:38] <ompaul> let's see, there are the many identities of mrunagi_ 
[22:39] <ompaul> let's see, there are the many identities of mrunagi_ 
[22:39] <mrunagi__> so how can i file a complaint against an op and when will my questions be taken seriously
[22:39] <ompaul> how many do you want to talk about it?
[22:40] <PriceChild> mrunagi__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess
[22:40] <ompaul> !guidelines > mrunagi_ 
[22:40] <mrunagi__> and for the second half of my questioj
[22:41] <mrunagi__> ?
[22:41] <ompaul> the question you asked is answered 
[22:42] <Seveas> that would imply taking it seriously
[22:42] <mrunagi__> the question about filing a complaint was answered
[22:42] <mrunagi__> i had several other questions that were laughed at prior
[22:42] <ompaul> the second part is a matter of opinion, you think you are not taken seriously, perhaps you are not right in that assumption
[22:42] <Seveas> mrunagi__, what were those questions?
[22:42] <mrunagi__> perhaps i am not but i still was laughed at instead of answered
[22:42] <ompaul> perhaps you don't understand just how seriously you were taken
[22:42] <mrunagi__> one of which was, who or what are you banning...
[22:43] <mrunagi__> i have several connections i _personally_ use......and the extension of my ban is based on something that didnt even happen
[22:43] <mrunagi__> such as the accused ban evading
[22:43] <Seveas> mrunagi__, my logs indicate that you are right now not only evading bans but also k-lines
[22:44] <mrunagi__> that is exactly my poinmt
[22:44] <Seveas> if freenode staff sees you, I have no doubt this IP address will be k-lined swiftly
[22:44] <Seveas> why do you keep evading?
[22:44] <mrunagi__> im not in my opinion
[22:44] <Seveas> you are
[22:44] <mrunagi__> which is why i am asking what is being banned
[22:44] <PriceChild> mrunagi__: *you* are banned.
[22:44] <Seveas> look up the definition of evasion
[22:44] <mrunagi__> PriceChild: exactly........so the day i was klined i shouldnt have had a ban extension
[22:45] <mrunagi__> because i wasnt even on irc in the 2 days prior
[22:45] <PriceChild> mrunagi__: you claim.
[22:45] <mrunagi__> i understand that you have nothing to go on but i have nothing to do with the camserver here
[22:45] <Seveas> mrunagi__, staff s good at looking through disguises
[22:45] <mrunagi__> apparently not
[22:46] <PriceChild> I'm pretty confident we have logs of you thanking someone for access to camserver...
[22:46] <ompaul> mrunagi_,  your say so and we tend to agree with staff
[22:46] <mrunagi__> thanking someone for access to camserver?
[22:46] <mrunagi__> my understanding is that someone hopped from the camserver to this pc trying to resolve a problem on the camserver pc
[22:46] <Seveas> ah, the 'innocent baby' pose
[22:46] <PriceChild> I cannot confirm personally.
[22:46] <Seveas> won't work
[22:47] <PriceChild> Oh so it was someone else using your nickname? Brother? Cousin?
[22:47] <mrunagi__> this is exactly the problem
[22:47] <mrunagi__> i have said on many occasions that this is a business trying to convert over to linux
[22:47] <ompaul> what is 
[22:47] <mrunagi__> there are 3 connections and 8 computers here
[22:47] <mrunagi__> and 7 employees
[22:47] <ompaul> and in this business people all use irc
[22:47] <ompaul> no work being done then
[22:47] <Seveas> and they all have the same rotten behaviour on irc
[22:47] <mrunagi__> that isnt of your concern ompaul
[22:47] <Seveas> bad company to work for
[22:48] <mrunagi__> nice
[22:48] <mrunagi__> keep going
[22:48] <mrunagi__> this is why i have a problem with ops
[22:48] <mrunagi__> you are now involving yourself in something that isnt of your concern
[22:48] <mrunagi__> no one here has 'rotten' behavior except for me
[22:48] <Seveas> no, this is why ops have a problem with you, always blaming things you do on others
[22:48] <PriceChild> If it isn't of our concern then we can't help?
[22:48] <mrunagi__> my ban was extended for having 'ban evaded' which i did not do
[22:48] <ompaul> mrunagi_, well it has bad it security - harassing people on irc should be forbidden by a good it security policy
[22:48] <mrunagi__> Seveas: if you all would calm down and actually read my words
[22:49] <mrunagi__> i never claimed i did nothing wrong
[22:49]  * PriceChild steps back
[22:49] <Seveas> mrunagi__, ahem
 no one here has 'rotten' behavior except for me
[22:49] <mrunagi__> what
[22:49] <mrunagi__> now i cant even admit to my own wrong doing/
[22:49]  * ompaul reads that last line 
[22:49] <Seveas> you admit to having rotten behavior and want to be unbanned?
[22:49] <Seveas> never going to happen I think :)
[22:49] <mrunagi__> yea i guess not because non of you are listening
[22:49] <Seveas> oh we are
[22:49] <mrunagi__> my ban was to be lifted after 2 days
[22:49] <mrunagi__> why was it not
[22:49] <ompaul> we do a lot of the time
[22:50] <mrunagi__> just not in this case?
[22:50] <Seveas> I'm listening to the k-line train due to arrive at this station any minute
[22:50] <ompaul> mrunagi_, the sequence here is misleading
[22:50] <mrunagi__> you are all impossible to deal with
[22:50] <ompaul> it should be
 yea i guess not because non of you are listening
 oh we are
 we do a lot of the time
[22:51] <ompaul> but you got a comment in there - mores the shame
[22:51] <nalioth> so, mrunagi__ after you were klined the first time, what were all the subsequent mrunagi_s doing arriving here threatening to 'do this all day' ?
[22:51] <mrunagi__> i was accused of ban evading on a nick 'camserver' and that never happened
[22:52] <mrunagi__> when i was treated unfairly i lost it
[22:52] <Seveas> ah, revenge
[22:52] <Seveas> best served cold
[22:52] <ompaul> a great motive 
[22:52] <mrunagi__> it wasnt revenge
[22:52] <Seveas> mrunagi__, if you had followed the correct appeal procedures your ban might have been lifted by now
[22:53] <Seveas> as it stands, you're evading several k-lines, reducing the chance to that happening to below zero
[22:53] <ompaul> or less
[22:53] <mrunagi__> am i evading?
[22:53] <Seveas> I didn't say how much below zero
[22:53] <mrunagi__> or am i on a connection 25 miles away from the one that was klined
[22:53] <mrunagi__> when i asked the first time i got laughed at
[22:53] <mrunagi__> apparently thats how ops do thing
[22:54] <mrunagi__> sarcasm, facetious attitudes
[22:54] <Seeker`> mrunagi__: The problem is, its people that are banned / klined, not connections
[22:54] <mrunagi__> that is exactly my point
[22:54] <mrunagi__> so my ban shouldnt have been extended
[22:54] <mrunagi__> because _i_ wasnt on irc
[22:54] <nalioth> mrunagi__: there are at least 6 IPs you used to access this network in the past week
[22:54] <mrunagi__> nalioth: i understand that i evaded the ban on the kline im not denying that
[22:54] <mrunagi__> in my email i explained my thought process and i was wrong
[22:54] <Seveas> s/evaded/evade/
[22:55] <Seeker`> mrunagi__: Whatever was done was done by you, not your connection, so when the connection is k-lined, that is a message to you, from the staff that you should not be on the network. By joining from  a different address, you are evading the kline
[22:55] <Seveas> no need to speak in the past tense when you're continuing to break the rules
[22:55] <mrunagi__> but had my ban not been extended i wouldnt even be in this situation
[22:55] <ompaul> mrunagi__, you got two connections here for some reason
[22:55] <mrunagi__> if i wanted to evade i would have changed my nick
[22:55] <ompaul> same ip
[22:55] <Seveas> mrunagi__, no, if you had behaved properly you would not have been in this situation
[22:55] <mrunagi__> Seveas: if your op hadnt gone against code of conduct i would be here
[22:55] <nalioth> mrunagi__: you _did_ change your nick
[22:56] <Seveas> mrunagi__, remember that this all started with you misbehaving
[22:56] <mrunagi__> nalioth: i mean i would change it to one not resembling any others
[22:56] <mrunagi__> Seveas: all of this started because i joined in on an already conversation about microsoft
[22:56] <nalioth> mrunagi__: why not come back and see us in 30 days
[22:57] <mrunagi__> if you want to ban me from the ubuntu channels for life then tell me ill never come back but you have banned 6 other people here that are trying to run a business
[22:57]  * jrib is getting bored of this spam
[22:57] <ompaul> mrunagi_, and being on irc stops that business
[22:57] <ompaul> wow that is some business
[22:57] <mrunagi__> ^^^^^^^^^^666
[22:57] <mrunagi__> and that is allowed?
[22:57] <mrunagi__> making fun of someones business?
[22:57] <Seeker`> mrunagi__: Canonical provide support if your business wishes to pay for it.
[22:57] <Seveas> mrunagi__, yes, if all people are you
[22:58] <nalioth> mrunagi__: come back April 7th, please
[22:58] <mrunagi__> Seveas: i dont understand your statemennt
[22:58] <mrunagi__> 30 days....youre serious
[22:58] <Seveas> and the circle is round :)
[22:58] <mrunagi__> because ljl decided to go against guidelines i get 30 days
[22:58] <Seeker`> mrunagi__: I suspect they will extend it if you protest
[22:58] <mrunagi__> he never even gave me steps or the url for resolution
[22:58] <nalioth> mrunagi__: you decided to 'go against the guidelines' in a major way
[22:59] <Seveas> ♪ The weels on the bus go round and round, round and round ♫
[22:59] <mrunagi__> i understand this.......but that is AFTER i was treated unfairly
[22:59] <mrunagi__> you are telling me that ops are allowed to make fun of users
[22:59] <nalioth> mrunagi__: 30 days please.  try to stay out of sight until then . .
[22:59]  * nalioth starts the countdown
[22:59] <Seveas> mrunagi__, you were never treated unfairly as far as my logs show
[22:59] <Seeker`> its a vicious circle
[22:59] <mrunagi__> Seveas: keep looking
[23:00]  * jdong kinda likes this highlight
[23:00] <Seveas> and there come the PM's!
 jesus christ i cant even read suggestions given to me??!
[23:00] <Seveas> no idea what he meant there
[23:00] <ompaul> I don't know - can't he read:?
[23:00] <Seeker`> he thinks he is treated unfairly, so he complains, doesn't get the answer he wants, so gets more angry about being treated unfairly
[23:00] <jdong> I believe the suggestion was:
[23:01] <jdong> 17:59 -!- mrunagi__ [n=mrunagi@68-243-54-222.area7.spcsdns.net] has left  #ubuntu-ops [requested by ompaul: "bye"]
[23:01] <jdong> which means umm.... what it says
[23:02]  * ompaul wonder will he turn up again if I remove the ban on that ip
[23:02] <Seveas> even if you don't
[23:02] <Seeker`> ompaul: you should take bets
[23:02] <ompaul> Seeker`, na
[23:02] <ompaul> that would be boring
[23:02] <ompaul> we know he will one way or anothter
[23:03] <Seeker`> but the question is when - each person bets on a number of days < 30
[23:03] <Seeker`> whoever is closest, wins
[23:03] <ompaul> ehh no he don't
[23:03] <Seeker`> either that or ban him for 1 year for every day before 7th april he turns up
[23:04] <ompaul> Seeker`, he is nearly there
[23:05] <Seeker`> you may want to look out for jinsomnia, just started spamming a load of rubbish in -uk
[23:05] <Seeker`> -23:04:34- :jinsomnia : me wants Fatima (prophet Muhammad's daughter) so bad
[23:05] <Seeker`> -23:04:35- :jinsomnia : me so horny
[23:05] <Seeker`> and worse
[23:05] <ompaul> Seeker`, na - he only does that in -uk
[23:06] <ompaul> whatever his beef is
[23:06] <PriceChild> nalioth: that's the same guy as earlier in #ubuntu ^
[23:06] <ompaul> ohh
[23:06] <ompaul> PriceChild, I only ever noticed him in -uk before
[23:06] <ompaul> new pattern of behaviour hmm
[23:06] <PriceChild> ompaul: i think nal klined him earlier
[23:07] <ompaul> ack
[23:07] <Seeker`> Does anyone want his host?
[23:07] <ompaul> * Seeker` sets ban on *!*@91.98.15.112
[23:08] <nalioth> i've klined several of those trolls today
[23:08] <jrib> my last 3 or 4 bans have been that same crap
[23:08] <Seveas> someone please send that guy a prostitute to get rid of his frustration...
[23:09] <nalioth> Seveas: trolls will use any concept, religion, etc to troll
[23:09] <Seveas> I know
[23:09] <nalioth> they don't require sex, just chaos and consternation
[23:09] <Seveas> well, sex will keep them occupied
[23:09] <Seeker`> they require a trip on the clue train
[23:09] <nalioth> that bloody fool was not only in -uk doing it, but -ir also
[23:10] <PriceChild> what is -ir?
[23:10] <nalioth> iran
[23:10] <Seveas> ah, next he'll turn up in -va annoying the pope
[23:10] <nalioth> most likely
[23:10] <Seveas> (iff -va means vatican, dunno)
[23:10] <Seveas> or -il being antisemitic
[23:10] <Seeker`> Vatican City has the highest crime rate per capita anywhere in the world
[23:10] <Seveas> heh
[23:10] <Seeker`> They also have 2 popes per square KM
[23:11] <PriceChild> what is it with vatican facts lately
[23:11] <Seveas> is it really that small?
[23:11] <Seeker`> Seveas: 0.5 square kilometers
[23:11] <Seveas> PriceChild, Seeker` wants to be the next pope
[23:11] <Seeker`> PriceChild: Those are the only two I know :(
[23:11] <Seveas> Seeker`, yeah I understand that, thought it was bigger though
[23:12] <Seeker`> Well, I also know that there are only about 500 people with a Vatican City passport, and the pope always has the passport with ID number "1"
[23:12] <Seeker`> but thats about it
[23:13] <ompaul> Seveas, would you believe that the word: antisemitic had a different meaning, a broader one in 1928, it was some thing like  "against people from the middle east" it did not discriminate by way of nationality or religion
[23:13] <Seveas> i would
[23:14] <Seveas> though the 'sem' in antismetic is a jewish reference
[23:14] <ompaul> ahh
[23:14] <ompaul> I have a book around here somewhere on the origin of words
[23:15]  * ompaul needs a bigger house with more book shelves :)
[23:15] <Seveas> :)
[23:15] <Seveas> I know the feeling
[23:17] <mc44> [Origin: 1870–75; < NL sémīta < LL Sém (< Gk Sm < Heb Shém Shem) + -īta -ite1] 
[23:19] <ompaul> mc44, source
[23:19]  * ompaul likes to read the source and check it for blobs 
[23:19] <ompaul> ohh the pain of the puns
[23:20] <mc44> ompaul: the dictionary
[23:33] <elkbuntu> Seveas, ompaul http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic
[23:34] <Seveas> ah
[23:34] <ompaul> interesting
[23:35] <elkbuntu> assyrians and hebrews are the only sematic races still tracable afaik
[23:36] <elkbuntu> the roman empire did it's job well
[23:37] <elkbuntu> s/semitic/sematic/
[23:37] <ompaul> elkbuntu, empires tend to do that kind of thing
[23:37] <ompaul> funny enough that is how they became empires ;-)
[23:37] <elkbuntu> ompaul, yep
[23:46] <ompaul> buks, how can we help you?
[23:48] <buks> well, I have a problem installing kubuntu-kde alpha 6 via the LAN
[23:48] <Seveas> buks, this is not a support channel
[23:49] <buks> oh, thanx, i am reading the wiki to see what this channel is about :)
[23:49] <Seveas> buks, for operator matters
[23:49] <buks> ok
[23:49] <Seveas> if you have nothing to discuss with the operators, please read the topic for a hint on what to do next :)
[23:49] <ompaul> seanw, is there a #kubuntu+1
[23:49] <ompaul> woops
[23:50] <ompaul> Seveas,  is there a #kubuntu+1
[23:50] <PriceChild> not afaik
[23:50] <nalioth> ompaul: there shouldn't be
[23:50] <ompaul> oka 
[23:50] <ompaul> buks, then you need #kubuntu
[23:51] <buks> thanx, i am there already, first time using kapote, i will figure out how to leave soon :)
[23:51] <PriceChild> ompaul: #ubuntu+1
[23:51] <ompaul> buks, use /part
[23:51] <buks> thanx
[23:51] <PriceChild> #ubuntu and #kubuntu are only releases, #ubuntu+1 deals with all of hardy
[23:51] <ompaul> ack
[23:51] <ompaul> ahh well he can be redirected from there
[23:51]  * nalioth gives ompaul the heimlich
[23:52] <ompaul> *COUGH*
 me wants Fatima (prophet Muhammad's daughter) so bad
[23:53] <ompaul> nalioth, ^^
[23:53] <Seeker`> ompaul: same guy?
[23:53] <ompaul> yeap or one of a club