[01:05] <pwnguin> who wrote the screen&graphics program?
[01:08] <pwnguin> ah, found it. displayconfig-gtk
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #199337 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "External monitor stays black when hotplugging with Acer laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199337
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #199359 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "[hardy] DRI not working with fglrx" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199359
[04:58] <desertc> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjM3OA
[04:59] <desertc> Phoronix is releasing an open source benchmarking suite.
[04:59] <desertc> ... for graphics
[05:00] <desertc> This will be a big step forward toward being able to discuss practical numbers for comparison.
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #157556 in ubuntu "consoles are blank with framebuffers (dup-of: 129910)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157556
[09:24] <pwnguin> peoplezwell neat
[09:24] <pwnguin> i guess that gives my brainstorm submission a bit more weight ;)
[09:25] <pwnguin> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3259/
[09:27] <pwnguin> well, so far they're only releasing the stuff to make graphics from results
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #191508 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "[nvidia] compiz doesn't show shadows, works with manual driver install" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191508
[10:45] <pwnguin> so what all do i need to do to get an onscreen keyboard for gdm?
[10:56] <tjaalton> try #ubuntu-desktop..
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #199075 in compiz (main) "Compiz crashes the system (dup-of: 151168)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199075
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #192407 in linux-source-2.6.22 (restricted) "Thinkpad T61 crashes on resume from suspend" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192407
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #199458 in xorg (main) "cannot use refresh rate of 100Hz with Sony Multiscan G200 + Nvidia FX5200 (WinXp works)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199458
[14:25] <asac> tjaalton: bryce: how can i figure the driver used for a display?
[14:25] <asac> if not driver, maybe i can figure the accellmethod used?
[14:25] <asac> (at best programmatically)
[14:27] <tjaalton> asac: I don't think there's a better way than parsing the log :/
[14:28] <tjaalton> randr might support it some time
[14:31] <asac> darn
[14:31] <asac> isn't there an property or something :(
[14:32] <asac> tjaalton: xdpyinfo displays a bunch of extensions. maybe i can guess something from that?
[14:32] <asac> tjaalton: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5404/
[14:32] <asac> thats hat it spits out for me
[14:33] <asac> ok at least we could figure fglrx from that i guess :)
[14:41] <ubotu> New bug: #199486 in xinit (main) "ConsoleKit integration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199486
[15:39] <asac> tjaalton: i would like to hack a bit on xservers xaa code ... how can i do that without trashing my install?
[15:39] <asac> (e.g. the question is: how to best build upstream code, while not wiping my existing install)
[16:01] <jcristau> asac: http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2008/02/building-and-installing-drmdrix-stack.html
[16:01] <jcristau> that might help
[16:04] <asac> thx
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #199551 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Fullscreen presentation is only shown on half a screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199551
[17:58] <tjaalton> asac: xdpyinfo doesn't seem to reveal the driver, at least not directly :/
[18:02] <asac> yeah ... cworth said that such info is currently not exposed by xserver
[18:02] <asac> would need to be added
[18:02] <asac> tjaalton: ^^
[18:03] <jcristau> i don't think there's any plan to add that
[18:21] <tjaalton> shame
[18:22] <jcristau> why?
[18:23] <tjaalton> well, it could prove useful.. sometimes :)
[18:24] <tjaalton> can't think of a use case for myself though
[18:30] <bryce> it's a question that's come up a number of times, for various reasons
[18:30] <bryce> (usually due to a need to work around some driver-specific problem or other)
[18:38] <jcristau> but then you end up with a pile of workarounds which stay around longer than the driver bugs
[18:52] <bryce> jcristau: in each case they ended up using the parse-Xorg.0.log, so not providing that data did not achieve that stability-through-secrecy aim
[18:54] <jcristau> well i don't think it's about secrecy. more about not encouraging broken things like that.  and you don't have access to Xorg.0.log if you're a remote client :)
[18:55] <bryce> I think there is value in having increased information such as the driver for testing purposes
[18:56] <bryce> I've run into this answer before ("not wishing to encourage misuse") but there are definitely legitimate uses for having such info
[18:57] <bryce> plus, there are drivers we cannot easily fix, so we have no choices but to work around the issues
[18:58] <jcristau> anyway. /me goes back to uploading this week's new releases
[19:18] <ubotu> New bug: #196596 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Suspend fails on Sony Vaio SZ650, nVidia 8400M GS and nvidia-glx-new" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/196596
[19:32] <tjaalton> jcristau: bug 38939 seems similar to the bug you mentioned
[19:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 38939 in xorg-server "MPlayer receives BadAlloc when playing very large movies using Xv" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38939
[19:33] <jcristau> thanks
[20:14] <tjaalton> huh, so RH has had two patches for libx11, the other for a bug that has 17 dupes
[20:15] <tjaalton> definately going to include them
[23:08] <bryce> now that  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg no longer prompts for video settings, what should we advise for users needing to workaround areas where configuration cannot be done automatically?  
[23:34] <ubotu> New bug: #199671 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Hibernate fails on Asus F5N laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199671