=== TheSheep_ is now known as TheSheep [02:08] hi [02:08] ubuntu repos don't come with 2.4 kernels? [02:10] Hey all, I am trying to get compiz going in xubuntu hardy. I have everything going as far a nvidia drivers. How do I enable compiz from xfce? [02:10] not since warty (4.10), no. [02:10] holo: ^ [02:12] :o [02:12] well i need a 2.4 kernel badly! [02:12] this machine has only 64mb [02:12] ok, not this one, but the other next to me [02:12] ok.. shutting down some services should also make it standable [02:14] holo: you can edit the initramfs, too [02:15] holo: see the /^MODULES=/ in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf [02:15] thanks [02:16] holo: you'll then need to regenerate the initramfs [02:16] holo: (cf. sudo update-initramfs -u) [02:17] ok, very usefull tip.. thanks [02:17] about kernel 2.4.. is there any backport repo? [02:18] no. [02:21] this is really great machine [02:21] just a glance at it and one can tell it [02:22] a toshiba from the old days [02:22] even has scsi disk [02:23] my purpose is to put it faster than xp [02:23] not in boot time, but after it [02:23] until now it is slower than before [02:23] but i believe i can make some miracles here [02:23] its for a desperate girl that was using xp here [02:26] did i exagerate putting 1gb as swap? [02:26] maybe i pushed it a little [02:27] no, more swap in that machine would help [02:27] its amazing.. if i remove cupsys, it wants to remove the games from gnome [02:27] i don't want to prevent her to play those stupid games only girls play ;) [02:29] i choose reiserfs because i wanted to put something better than ext2 and not as slow as ext3 [02:32] ext3 really isn't slow for the vast majority of use cases [02:32] crimsun, just check a boot time with ext3 [02:32] you can tell the difference just by looking. with no clock [02:33] holo: not for my use cases, no. [02:33] heh [02:33] believe me, I've tried across many, many kernels. [02:34] if I were you, I'd look into JFS, since it has lower CPU usage for many use cases [02:34] I could, but anyway not its late [02:35] in other machine maybe [02:35] *now its [02:42] what is the mp3 player for xubuntu? [02:42] something that doesn't bring a load of gnome libs into the memory [02:42] and not mpg123 or mp3blaster please [02:43] when i mean xubuntu, i mean xfce [02:43] wait, i can make a quick search [02:45] gmusicbrowser? exaile? quod libet? sonata+mpd? [02:46] crimsun, you would guess i want something light [02:46] and that looks nice like xmms or winamp [02:46] i don't want something to look like amarok in kde.. it really doesn't look nice [02:47] the "looks nice" issue is very important here [02:47] audacious, then [02:47] thanks [02:48] ha.. a fork of bmp [02:48] funny bmp stopped looking nice [02:48] maybe was just the default theme [02:49] I think bmpx is really nice [02:49] it fails your requirements, however [02:49] (UI is vastly different from Winamp's) [02:50] well, this audacious fully supports winamp skins [02:50] I will even put the original skin from winamp to make her feel more confortable [02:52] i have to get aqcuainted to the file browser [02:52] i never really used file browsers in my unix experience [02:53] i was always frustrated about usability design and speed [02:53] i allways fell into the shell browser cd [02:53] and ls [02:58] samba is a tricky point [02:59] i will see later if she wants or not [03:13] i light browser if she just wants to surf into educational sites? [03:13] *a light [03:17] crimsun, funny.. i don't see anything usefull to tweak in initramfs.conf [03:18] oh yes, the MODULES [03:22] is there any xfce frontend for enabling disabling boot scripts? [03:22] like ssh boot script [03:27] the ol' sysvconfig [03:28] well its good enough.. just thought of some frontend for her.. like enabling ssh from there if i need to make remote assistance [03:28] but anyway, just found frontend to kde [03:37] ok, i will try dillo [03:37] some years ago it was fast yet ugly pages [03:44] is there any good reader in which you can bookmark your reading [03:44] or highlight important stuff you are reading [03:49] vrkhans, you can put important things in the clipboard [03:49] ^^ [03:50] and use the app from xfce to access it [03:52] thanks [03:53] i am also trying to install real player but getting this error: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin [03:53] ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [03:53] what should i do === zoredache_ is now known as zoredache [03:57] holo: sorry, yes, I mentioned MODULES using regexp about 90 minutes ago [03:59] realplayer? gack [04:11] anyone knows if rsync is used anyhow by synaptics or other package manager? [04:11] in xubuntu of course [04:13] debfoster rocks [04:14] doing a massive cleaning here [04:14] or cleansing [04:33] ok, i uninstalled something that makes xfce application menu seem more beautifull [04:33] any idea what package this could be? [04:33] now the menu looks really plain === TP-mvoltz is now known as thebear1331 [05:17] hi room... had a question. can you have xfce only not the gnome libs and all that... sincer i tried that and my system crashed [05:22] if ou are talking about remvoing gtk, no you cannot do that [05:23] rrm: yes, you can but you will have to do an ubuntu server install and just install xfce4 instead of xubuntu-desktop from the respositories (there are also lots of good packages you will also want to grab, like xfce4-goodies and such) [05:23] rrm: you could also look into the debian etch xfce installation image if you feel like learning a thing or two about the system :) [05:23] zoredache: gnome libraries aren't the same as gtk [05:26] maxamillion that sounds good... i did do the debian and was still under gnome [05:27] rrm: right, but there is an xfce install image ... lemme find you a link [05:28] maxamillion: !!! [05:28] like i said... i did get it... and still was the default with gnome [05:28] rrm: debian default is gnome, but there are alternate images for kde and xfce [05:28] * maxamillion runs from j1mc [05:28] :D [05:28] haha [05:28] j1mc: how are you? [05:28] i'm good. how are you? [05:29] j1mc: good, horribly busy but good .... i recently got a full time linux admin job at my university, so even more busy than ever but i still idle the channel while at work :) [05:29] wooo. congrats!! [05:31] maxamillion: i guess what i am saing is that there is not distro just with xfce without any gnome [05:31] j1mc: thankies [05:32] j1mc: its all redhat stuff, but i've actually warmed up to redhat and fedora a lot ... my loyalties are still to debian of course, but i don't hate the other side of the fence anymore [05:32] rrm: i guess you're right. even most xfce-based distros include some gnome apps. stuff like GDM (the login-window app)... [05:32] rrm: yes, there is, debian does it [05:32] cool. i like fedora myself. :) have you tried their xfce-spin yet? [05:32] the debian is 40r3-xfce-cd1? [05:33] rrm: i run debian etch on my home machine that i installed with the xfce install image and the only gnome library or application that was installed is gdm [05:33] maxamillion: debian xfce still includes GSM [05:33] rrm: yup [05:33] s/gsm/gdm [05:33] j1mc: haven't tried the xfce spin, i run gnome at work because i need alot of its samba browsing capabilities to make my life easier [05:34] maxamillion: i did that and still booted in gnome... really od [05:34] rrm: really?!?! [05:34] wow ... [05:34] yeah [05:34] and did formated the system [05:35] in the past weeks i tried alot od dristos... from freebsd 6.3 to 7, xubu, ubu, and few others [05:35] j1mc: i've really warmed up to fedora, i like how up to date all the packages are [05:35] rrm: you could look into the fedora xfce spin [05:35] plus fedora is beautiful. [05:35] it's my fave gnome-based distro. xubuntu is still my fave xfce-based one. [05:35] j1mc: yes it is, and i love that the package manager is written in python ... i freaking <3 python [05:36] :) [05:36] i want a simples distro... mostly mozila, xchat, xmms, xfce [05:36] even ubuntu is bloaded for my tastes [05:37] rrm: xchat? :) try irssi. :) [05:37] irssi? [05:37] irssi freaking = win [05:37] rrm: the greatest irc client ever [05:37] is easy to use [05:37] rrm: www.irssi.org [05:38] rrm: extremely as long as you know irc commands [05:38] i know to an extent [05:38] rrm: it is just text based, but once you get your config file set up, it is fine. [05:38] rrm: it's documentation will walk you through what you need to know to operate it [05:38] * maxamillion doesn't have a config file [05:38] i just do everything by hand :P [05:38] and i could post my config file as a sample... [05:38] probably inefficient, but i'm just used to it [05:38] maxamillion: that is slow, though. :( [05:38] yeah [05:39] yeah ... a bit slow [05:39] but i only frequent about 7 or 8 channels on one network so its not too bad [05:40] :) [05:40] maybe like 2 [05:44] here's my irssi config: http://pastebin.ca/931451 [05:45] it goes in ~/.irssi/config (where "config" is the file name") [05:45] (i've removed my irc freenode and oftc passwords. :) ) [05:45] ;) [05:49] j1mc: actually, back to fedora for a moment.... once i finish my undergraduate in computer science i plan to go for my masters in digital forensics with a focus on security and information assurance ... and the reason i bring this up is because a co-worker and i are planning to make a fedora-based forensics analysis live cd spin (not sure if it will end up being a spin or "fedora based" due to the fact that we will have to package a lot of software ours [05:50] oh, cool. [05:51] why would you base it on fedora vs. debian or something? [05:51] j1mc: i had considered making it debian based, but i need newer packages mainly for hardware support and development libraries [05:51] just because you're getting so much Red Hat experience? [05:51] ah, ok [05:51] j1mc: no, because of the newer packages, newer kernel and newer development libraries [05:52] debian is awesome and wonderfully stable, but its so out of date :( [05:52] i like fedora's emphasis on free software. [05:52] j1mc: me too, and how they submit all patches back upstream to the original projects development tree [05:53] j1mc: oh!!! in a few months my job is going to pay to send me off to get my RHCE [05:53] i'm _really_ excited [05:53] _rrm_: in irssi? [05:53] i've drafted an email to an xfce-doc guy to talk about contributing to docs, but haven't sent it yet [05:53] j1mc: you should, docs are always in need [05:53] i would just want to contribute to a few of the most needed areas. [05:54] i wish xfce had some kind of a graphic that showed how the GUI is built... just the overall struture. what relies on what. [05:54] do you know? [05:54] like xfdesktop... is that the base? [05:54] j1mc: nope [05:55] i want to be able to see how the parts fit together. [05:55] j1mc: there is no base, each peice can exist without the other [05:55] j1mc: the entire thing is modular [05:55] ok [05:55] where can I see a list of dummy packages xubuntu provides in the installation? [05:55] j1mc: its basically all wrapped together with a single binary that loads each part of it in order to "roll it together" ... that's the startxfce binary that does all that [05:56] holo: apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop [05:56] dummy packages? do you mean meta-packages? [05:56] dummy packages are screwing my removings because of upgrades [05:56] zoredache, thanks [05:56] sorry, did you want to know what was in xubuntu, or all the meta packages available? [05:57] maxamillion: that is cool about the rhce thing. :) [05:57] zoredache, so this is the only dummy package xubuntu specific? [05:57] holo: well, there's xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-restricted-extras... [05:58] ... xfce4 [05:58] the xubuntu-desktop package is main meta package that get pretty much everything else [05:58] nice [05:58] zoredache: is right, though. [05:58] i shall purge them all [05:58] but of course there is obvious exceptions [05:58] purge them all? [05:58] yes, remove every dummy package [05:58] why are you doing this again? [05:58] j1mc: yeah, i'm excited [05:59] j1mc, yes, remove them [05:59] holo: why? [06:00] j1mc, because packages they provide, some of them I remove. so when un upgrade to a dummy package happens, it installs again those packages.. which is of course something i don't desire [06:00] holo: ok... i would recommend doing the upgrade, and then removing the unwanted packages after the upgrade is successful. [06:01] unless you can't do that because you don't have enough hard disk space. [06:01] j1mc, yes, i'm doing the upgrade now, and then remove the unwanted packages. i learnt with experience not to bother with these small details. but i'm am running on very limited resources [06:02] j1mc, 6gb.. it should also have some mp3 or movies.. [06:02] its a scsi disk though :D [06:02] great toshiba laptop [06:03] zoredache, sorry, i thought it was j1mc that made the question "why". you can see my answer above [06:03] scsi in a laptop? ... that's awesome [06:04] maxamillion, yes.. at least its what it says.. well.. the laptop looks really good.. though its very old [06:04] holo: we both asked why [06:04] and I agree with j1mc's reccomendation [06:05] holo: oh, it might be a sata drive ... they often use scsi drivers because the technologies are closely related [06:05] maxamillion, it looks at least 6 years old, but still the screen has such high quality.. its love at first sight [06:05] maxamillion, sata, in such old tecnology? [06:05] toshiba pro 4300 series [06:05] there you have [06:06] oh, maybe that would be scsi [06:06] :) [06:07] the girl that owns this computer says she hates it because its damm slow with xp.. but i would prefer this machine to some modern laptops they make nowadays [06:07] so xp is no more here anyway [06:08] i love the keyboard, and its funny that it doesn't come with the windows key [06:10] mine had a windows key .. it doesn't do anything, but there is one here [06:10] i am actually on my tablet pc that work gave me [06:10] hp tc4400 tablet running fedora 8 (full tablet support thanks to the wacom linux project) [06:10] maxamillion, actually its usefull for making window+d or something like that [06:10] to go to desktop [06:11] holo: ah, true true [06:11] of course, one can do a more twisted combination [06:11] holo: but i use ctrl+alt+(right or left arrow) to switch desktops [06:11] exacly, that's more twisted [06:11] its just what i am used to because it is default for both gnome and xfce [06:11] ha, switch desktops.. i'm going to remove multiple desktops.. this is so slow that she wont have many opened windows anyway [06:12] lol [06:12] on my workstation at the office i normally have atleast 4 virtual machines running at once and it assign each one to a different virtual desktop [06:12] oh.. the upgrade that took 2hours just finished.. gotta put him making usefull work [06:13] aha.. i'm running now xubuntu 32 bits in a virtual machine with a kubuntu host [06:13] nice [06:13] i have different distros of linux and one xp machine on my virtualbox install at work [06:13] actually.. after using xubuntu, i want to remodel kubuntu to be xubuntu.. i hate kde.. i really can't like it [06:13] fedora 8 x86_64 is the host os though [06:14] lol, kde isn't half bad once you get used to it but the qt graphics library looks like crap [06:15] maxamillion, kde looks nice, but after some weeks, its colesterol start to bore me.. also the lack of performance [06:15] yeah [06:15] well i gotta run ... i have work in the morning [06:15] night all!!! [06:15] i'm running amd 64 and the file browsers are too slow to be usable [06:20] dillo flies in this laptop! [11:55] synaptic tends to freeze during searches, is there anything i can do? cpu load shoots to max... [11:57] Arttu: Take a look at your sources.list. Go to a terminal and type "sudo apt-get update" does it hang, or give any errors? [12:03] apt-get update had no problems [12:04] what about "apt-cache search python-gpod" does that find the package pretty quick? [12:04] hi everyone [12:04] anyone experiencing dbus timeouts w/ xfce4? [12:05] a small question: how does verve gets its path? I can't seem to run anything [12:05] its taking a very long time for thunar to start [12:07] ArthurArchnix: works fine [12:08] Arttu: Ok... well, then all I can suggest is that you make sure the repos in synaptic are correct. It's always slower than apt, but as for why it would send your cpu shooting up I have no idea. [12:12] i'm running an older comp so it's not uncommon that it shoots up for a second when i open something, but it synaptic used to work just fine, the locking up during a search is new [12:14] Arttu: Well, if you've got decent bandwidth you can do this: [12:14] sudo apt-get clean [12:14] sudo apt-get update [12:14] then go back into synaptic and see if it got better [12:28] I'd like to hear an answer to riffraff's question, how do you set up verve? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=544394 goes over my head. [12:28] :) [12:31] How can I lock the screen in 7.10? I click on the lock screen icon in the Action Buttons panel item but nothing happens. [12:35] whitman: doesn't work for me either [12:37] The button works if I install xlockmore but I don't want to use that package, I just want a simple screen with a login prompt. === web_know1 is now known as web_knows [14:44] when I try "glxinfo | grep render" IT says direct rendering = NO - could someone help me get 3d working on my comp? [14:46] ubstud: what video card do you have [14:47] VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) [16:31] So, I was attempting to add myself to the 'root' and 'www-data' groups to make working with some cgi scripts a little easier. Now, I have lost the ability to sudo. I know that I need to reboot to recovery mode, but I don't know what to do then. [16:36] you do not need to reboot [16:36] if you have root rights... [16:36] are you still part of the root group? [16:37] Yes. [16:37] create a second user [16:37] ok [16:37] ad that user to the "admin" group [16:37] su into that user.... [16:37] OMG... I installed xubuntu on my more or less high end PC, and it's *very* fast [16:37] then remove yourself from the root group.... [16:38] and you should now have sudo rights [16:38] this is because root can never have sudo rights [16:39] because sudo == root....which you already are [16:39] =] [16:40] i think thats right....root = sudo [16:40] == is equals [16:40] thanks vidd [16:41] did it work? [16:42] oh...its important to verify the second user has sudo rights BEFORE you remove yourself from root (they can remove you without sudo rights...but better safe then sorry [16:42] 8cant [16:42] *cant [16:43] vidd, I used the sudo rights to be able to remove myself [16:43] so that worked [16:43] when I do $id annirak, all I have in groups is 'annirak' [16:43] so use the exit command to get back to you, and verify sudo is back [16:43] I do NOT have sudo priviledges [16:43] ah...so add yourself to the admin group for sudo rights [16:44] do I need to add myself to admin? [16:44] Ok [16:44] * vidd prefers to nano /etc/groups [16:45] s/groups/group [16:45] That's got it, thanks vidd [16:46] no probloem....20bucks =] [16:46] ;) [16:47] It is easier to edit the /etc/group file rather then use the cli for setting someone's groups.... [16:47] * Annirak corrals 20 young male deer and sends them galloping off to vidd [16:47] haha [16:47] dinner for 3 months! [16:48] haha [16:48] the reason is, the cli commands remove all group settings and only adds the specific groups you specify [16:48] for example...on a default install: [16:48] vidd@sloth:~/rbot$ id vidd [16:48] uid=1000(vidd) gid=1000(vidd) groups=1000(vidd),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),104(scanner),108(lpadmin),109(admin),115(netdev),118(powerdev) [16:48] oh man [16:48] I'm missing some groups [16:49] this is why I manually edit the /etc/group file.... [16:49] so i dont get yanked out of groups I need my mistake.... [16:49] are you in a WM or cli-only system? [16:51] I was in a WM when started the process [16:52] but before you told me not to reboot, I had already rebooted. [16:52] in the wm, you can go to Applications->System->Users_and_Groups [16:52] to fix up your groups [16:52] Ok [16:53] you should be able to access the wm now that you are no longer root [16:53] (by default, root cannot log in to the wm in ubuntu) [16:53] Well, I rebooted out of recovery mode once I got sudo back? [16:53] -? [16:54] you should not have been in recovery mode.... [16:54] reboot into normal mode.... [16:54] already done [16:54] pray you can! [16:54] can you log into wm? [16:55] yes [16:55] worked like a charm [16:56] (I made sure to set my groups to 'annirak,root,admin' [16:56] ok...hop into the users and groups tool and edit your groups [16:56] so logging in again wasn't an issue [16:56] Yeah, it seems to be all good [16:56] im surprised you could log into wm as part of the root group [16:57] Hey, I don't know, I'm just happy it's working ;) [16:57] * vidd NEVER will add himself to root group [16:58] err, why? [16:58] maybe create a root alias...but never his main login! [16:58] * Annirak comes from a debian background and doesn't see a problem with logging in as root once in a while. [16:59] There is no need to open yourself to unnecessary risk [16:59] root is disable for a reason...its dangerous [16:59] and wholely unneeded [17:00] and, as being part of the root group, you cannot correctly compile certain programs [17:00] as these apps MUST be made as a USER and NOT root [17:01] Yeah, I had a valid reason for doing it, I swear. But instead, I am going to remove myself from root again, and change the group of /user/lib/cgi-bin to www-data [17:01] Does that make sense? [17:01] no [17:01] why use cgi-bin at all? [17:01] Then what would you do if you need to be able to add files to cgi-bin? [17:01] How would you do that instead? [17:02] cgi-bin should be only accessable by root.... [17:02] well....belong to root [17:03] the individual files you put in there should be set with read+execute permissions to all [17:03] or chown them to www-data [17:03] why is your cgi-bin directory in /usr/lib ? /usr is meant to be read-only? [17:04] zoredache: that's the default setting in apache2/ubuntu [17:04] vidd I was going to set them to 775, with user as root and group as www-data [17:04] will you be having ppl running pearl scripts on your machine? [17:05] vidd: only python, I expect. [17:05] though I might add python at some point [17:05] -python + perl [17:05] @ 775, might just as well leave them as roo:root [17:05] *root:root [17:06] I've installed pretty much all gstreamer codecs and can't play mp3 on totem. Any ideas? [17:06] The point was that I wanted to be able to modify them as annirak, without having to sudo every time I wanted to edit them. [17:06] I was able to play on ubuntu [17:06] Anyway, I completely disagree with vidd, if you need to regularly install/maintain your cgi stuff, create another directory and create a group that can write there [17:06] put yourself in the group [17:06] zoredach: would you make a /var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin and do it that way? [17:06] zoredache, acually...that is right there with what i was saying...just dont be root [17:07] Annirak: I wouldn't put a cgi-bin direcotry under the htdocs directory.... if things break you could disclose the behind-the-scenes stuff needlessly [17:07] but i prefer to stay away from cgi if i can...dangerous stuff! [17:08] maybe create a /var/lib/cgibin or something [17:08] anyone using a Thinkpad? [17:09] no...but what is your question anyway? [17:10] I use a T30 with 7.10 and I have no wired ethernet. it's built in to the mobo and there is no evidence of eth support [17:11] so the system has wired ethernet, you have the cable plugged in, and you get no internet connection? [17:11] how can I play mp3 on xubuntu? [17:11] Lectus: install a movie player and the extra codecs [17:11] philphoto, is that esentially correct? [17:11] zoredache: I've installed pretty much all gstreamer codecs and totem can't play mp3. [17:12] yes. beyond that, lshw, lspci and lsmod don't show anything relating to wired ethernet or the eepro100 controller [17:12] zoredache: I remember on ubuntu I could play with these plugins [17:12] leche, install amorok [17:12] Lectus, install amorok [17:12] Lectus: I like playing music/media with vlc, [17:12]