[02:08] <holo> hi
[02:08] <holo> ubuntu repos don't come with 2.4 kernels?
[02:10] <Breetai> Hey all, I am trying to get compiz going in xubuntu hardy. I have everything going as far a nvidia drivers. How do I enable compiz from xfce?
[02:10] <crimsun> not since warty (4.10), no.
[02:10] <crimsun> holo: ^
[02:12] <holo> :o
[02:12] <holo> well i need a 2.4 kernel badly!
[02:12] <holo> this machine has only 64mb
[02:12] <holo> ok, not this one, but the other next to me
[02:12] <holo> ok.. shutting down some services should also make it standable
[02:14] <crimsun> holo: you can edit the initramfs, too
[02:15] <crimsun> holo: see the /^MODULES=/ in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[02:15] <holo> thanks
[02:16] <crimsun> holo: you'll then need to regenerate the initramfs
[02:16] <crimsun> holo: (cf. sudo update-initramfs -u)
[02:17] <holo> ok, very usefull tip.. thanks
[02:17] <holo> about kernel 2.4.. is there any backport repo?
[02:18] <crimsun> no.
[02:21] <holo> this is really great machine
[02:21] <holo> just a glance at it and one can tell it
[02:22] <holo> a toshiba from the old days
[02:22] <holo> even has scsi disk
[02:23] <holo> my purpose is to put it faster than xp
[02:23] <holo> not in boot time, but after it
[02:23] <holo> until now it is slower than before
[02:23] <holo> but i believe i can make some miracles here
[02:23] <holo> its for a desperate girl that was using xp here
[02:26] <holo> did i exagerate putting 1gb as swap?
[02:26] <holo> maybe i pushed it a little
[02:27] <crimsun> no, more swap in that machine would help
[02:27] <holo> its amazing.. if i remove cupsys, it wants to remove the games from gnome
[02:27] <holo> i don't want to prevent her to play those stupid games only girls play ;)
[02:29] <holo> i choose reiserfs because i wanted to put something better than ext2 and not as slow as ext3
[02:32] <crimsun> ext3 really isn't slow for the vast majority of use cases
[02:32] <holo> crimsun, just check a boot time with ext3
[02:32] <holo> you can tell the difference just by looking. with no clock
[02:33] <crimsun> holo: not for my use cases, no.
[02:33] <holo> heh
[02:33] <crimsun> believe me, I've tried across many, many kernels.
[02:34] <crimsun> if I were you, I'd look into JFS, since it has lower CPU usage for many use cases
[02:34] <holo> I could, but anyway not its late
[02:35] <holo> in other machine maybe
[02:35] <holo> *now its
[02:42] <holo> what is the mp3 player for xubuntu?
[02:42] <holo> something that doesn't bring a load of gnome libs into the memory
[02:42] <holo> and not mpg123 or mp3blaster please
[02:43] <holo> when i mean xubuntu, i mean xfce
[02:43] <holo> wait, i can make a quick search
[02:45] <crimsun> gmusicbrowser? exaile? quod libet? sonata+mpd?
[02:46] <holo> crimsun, you would guess i want something light
[02:46] <holo> and that looks nice like xmms or winamp
[02:46] <holo> i don't want something to look like amarok in kde.. it really doesn't look nice
[02:47] <holo> the "looks nice" issue is very important here
[02:47] <crimsun> audacious, then
[02:47] <holo> thanks
[02:48] <holo> ha.. a fork of bmp
[02:48] <holo> funny bmp stopped looking nice
[02:48] <holo> maybe was just the default theme
[02:49] <crimsun> I think bmpx is really nice
[02:49] <crimsun> it fails your requirements, however
[02:49] <crimsun> (UI is vastly different from Winamp's)
[02:50] <holo> well, this audacious fully supports winamp skins
[02:50] <holo> I will even put the original skin from winamp to make her feel more confortable
[02:52] <holo> i have to get aqcuainted to the file browser
[02:52] <holo> i never really used file browsers in my unix experience
[02:53] <holo> i was always frustrated about usability design and speed
[02:53] <holo> i allways fell into the shell browser cd
[02:53] <holo> and ls
[02:58] <holo> samba is a tricky point
[02:59] <holo> i will see later if she wants or not
[03:13] <holo> i light browser if she just wants to surf into educational sites?
[03:13] <holo> *a light
[03:17] <holo> crimsun, funny.. i don't see anything usefull to tweak in initramfs.conf
[03:18] <holo> oh yes, the MODULES
[03:22] <holo> is there any xfce frontend for enabling disabling boot scripts?
[03:22] <holo> like ssh boot script
[03:27] <holo> the ol' sysvconfig
[03:28] <holo> well its good enough.. just thought of some frontend for her.. like enabling ssh from there if i need to make remote assistance
[03:28] <holo> but anyway, just found frontend to kde
[03:37] <holo> ok, i will try dillo
[03:37] <holo> some years ago it was fast yet ugly pages
[03:44] <vrkhans> is there any good reader in which you can bookmark your reading
[03:44] <vrkhans> or highlight important stuff you are reading
[03:49] <holo> vrkhans, you can put important things in the clipboard
[03:49] <holo> ^^
[03:50] <holo> and use the app from xfce to access it
[03:52] <vrkhans> thanks
[03:53] <vrkhans> i am also trying to install real player but getting this error: ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[03:53] <vrkhans> ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:53] <vrkhans> what should i do
[03:57] <crimsun> holo: sorry, yes, I mentioned MODULES using regexp about 90 minutes ago
[03:59] <RandomDestructn> realplayer? gack
[04:11] <holo> anyone knows if rsync is used anyhow by synaptics or other package manager?
[04:11] <holo> in xubuntu of course
[04:13] <holo> debfoster rocks
[04:14] <holo> doing a massive cleaning here
[04:14] <holo> or cleansing
[04:33] <holo> ok, i uninstalled something that makes xfce application menu seem more beautifull
[04:33] <holo> any idea what package this could be?
[04:33] <holo> now the menu looks really plain
[05:17] <rrm> hi room... had a question.  can you have xfce only not the gnome libs and all that... sincer i tried that and my system crashed
[05:22] <zoredache> if ou are talking about remvoing gtk, no you cannot do that
[05:23] <maxamillion> rrm: yes, you can but you will have to do an ubuntu server install and just install xfce4 instead of xubuntu-desktop from the respositories (there are also lots of good packages you will also want to grab, like xfce4-goodies and such)
[05:23] <maxamillion> rrm: you could also look into the debian etch xfce installation image if you feel like learning a thing or two about the system :)
[05:23] <maxamillion> zoredache: gnome libraries aren't the same as gtk
[05:26] <rrm> maxamillion that sounds good... i did do the debian and was still under gnome
[05:27] <maxamillion> rrm: right, but there is an xfce install image ... lemme find you a link
[05:28] <j1mc> maxamillion: !!!
[05:28] <rrm> like i said... i did get it... and still was the default with gnome
[05:28] <maxamillion> rrm: debian default is gnome, but there are alternate images for kde and xfce
[05:28]  * maxamillion runs from j1mc 
[05:28] <maxamillion> :D
[05:28] <j1mc> haha
[05:28] <maxamillion> j1mc: how are you?
[05:28] <j1mc> i'm good.  how are you?
[05:29] <maxamillion> j1mc: good, horribly busy but good .... i recently got a full time linux admin job at my university, so even more busy than ever but i still idle the channel while at work :)
[05:29] <j1mc> wooo.  congrats!!
[05:31] <rrm> maxamillion:  i guess what i am saing is that there is not distro just with xfce without any gnome
[05:31] <maxamillion> j1mc: thankies
[05:32] <maxamillion> j1mc: its all redhat stuff, but i've actually warmed up to redhat and fedora a lot ... my loyalties are still to debian of course, but i don't hate the other side of the fence anymore
[05:32] <j1mc> rrm: i guess you're right.  even most xfce-based distros include some gnome apps.  stuff like GDM (the login-window app)...
[05:32] <maxamillion> rrm: yes, there is, debian does it
[05:32] <j1mc> cool.  i like fedora myself.  :)  have you tried their xfce-spin yet?
[05:32] <rrm> the debian is 40r3-xfce-cd1?
[05:33] <maxamillion> rrm: i run debian etch on my home machine that i installed with the xfce install image and the only gnome library or application that was installed is gdm
[05:33] <j1mc> maxamillion: debian xfce still includes GSM
[05:33] <maxamillion> rrm: yup
[05:33] <j1mc> s/gsm/gdm
[05:33] <maxamillion> j1mc: haven't tried the xfce spin, i run gnome at work because i need alot of its samba browsing capabilities to make my life easier
[05:34] <rrm> maxamillion:  i did that and still booted in gnome... really od
[05:34] <maxamillion> rrm: really?!?!
[05:34] <maxamillion> wow ...
[05:34] <rrm> yeah
[05:34] <rrm> and did formated the system
[05:35] <rrm> in the past weeks i tried alot od dristos... from freebsd 6.3 to 7, xubu, ubu, and few others
[05:35] <maxamillion> j1mc: i've really warmed up to fedora, i like how up to date all the packages are
[05:35] <maxamillion> rrm: you could look into the fedora xfce spin
[05:35] <j1mc> plus fedora is beautiful.
[05:35] <j1mc> it's my fave gnome-based distro.  xubuntu is still my fave xfce-based one.
[05:35] <maxamillion> j1mc: yes it is, and i love that the package manager is written in python ... i freaking <3 python
[05:36] <j1mc> :)
[05:36] <rrm> i want a simples distro... mostly mozila, xchat, xmms, xfce
[05:36] <rrm> even ubuntu is bloaded for my tastes
[05:37] <j1mc> rrm: xchat?  :)  try irssi.  :)
[05:37] <rrm> irssi?
[05:37] <maxamillion> irssi freaking = win
[05:37] <maxamillion> rrm: the greatest irc client ever
[05:37] <rrm> is easy to use
[05:37] <maxamillion> rrm: www.irssi.org
[05:38] <maxamillion> rrm: extremely as long as you know irc commands
[05:38] <rrm> i know to an extent
[05:38] <j1mc> rrm: it is just text based, but once you get your config file set up, it is fine.
[05:38] <maxamillion> rrm: it's documentation will walk you through what you need to know to operate it
[05:38]  * maxamillion doesn't have a config file
[05:38] <maxamillion> i just do everything by hand :P
[05:38] <j1mc> and i could post my config file as a sample...
[05:38] <maxamillion> probably inefficient, but i'm just used to it
[05:38] <j1mc> maxamillion: that is slow, though.  :(
[05:38] <j1mc> yeah
[05:39] <maxamillion> yeah ... a bit slow
[05:39] <maxamillion> but i only frequent about 7 or 8 channels on one network so its not too bad
[05:40] <j1mc> :)
[05:40] <rrm> maybe like 2
[05:44] <j1mc> here's my irssi config: http://pastebin.ca/931451
[05:45] <j1mc> it goes in ~/.irssi/config  (where "config" is the file name")
[05:45] <j1mc> (i've removed my irc freenode and oftc passwords.  :) )
[05:45] <maxamillion> ;)
[05:49] <maxamillion> j1mc: actually, back to fedora for a moment.... once i finish my undergraduate in computer science i plan to go for my masters in digital forensics with a focus on security and information assurance ... and the reason i bring this up is because a co-worker and i are planning to make a fedora-based forensics analysis live cd spin (not sure if it will end up being a spin or "fedora based" due to the fact that we will have to package a lot of software ours
[05:50] <j1mc> oh, cool.
[05:51] <j1mc> why would you base it on fedora vs. debian or something?
[05:51] <maxamillion> j1mc: i had considered making it debian based, but i need newer packages mainly for hardware support and development libraries
[05:51] <j1mc> just because you're getting so much Red Hat experience?
[05:51] <j1mc> ah, ok
[05:51] <maxamillion> j1mc: no, because of the newer packages, newer kernel and newer development libraries
[05:52] <maxamillion> debian is awesome and wonderfully stable, but its so out of date :(
[05:52] <j1mc> i like fedora's emphasis on free software.
[05:52] <maxamillion> j1mc: me too, and how they submit all patches back upstream to the original projects development tree
[05:53] <maxamillion> j1mc: oh!!! in a few months my job is going to pay to send me off to get my RHCE
[05:53] <maxamillion> i'm _really_ excited
[05:53] <maxamillion> _rrm_: in irssi?
[05:53] <j1mc> i've drafted an email to an xfce-doc guy to talk about contributing to docs, but haven't sent it yet
[05:53] <maxamillion> j1mc: you should, docs are always in need
[05:53] <j1mc> i would just want to contribute to a few of the most needed areas.
[05:54] <j1mc> i wish xfce had some kind of a graphic that showed how the GUI is built... just the overall struture.  what relies on what.
[05:54] <j1mc> do you know?
[05:54] <j1mc> like xfdesktop... is that the base?
[05:54] <maxamillion> j1mc: nope
[05:55] <j1mc> i want to be able to see how the parts fit together.
[05:55] <maxamillion> j1mc: there is no base, each peice can exist without the other
[05:55] <maxamillion> j1mc: the entire thing is modular
[05:55] <j1mc> ok
[05:55] <holo> where can I see a list of dummy packages xubuntu provides in the installation?
[05:55] <maxamillion> j1mc: its basically all wrapped together with a single binary that loads each part of it in order to "roll it together" ... that's the startxfce binary that does all that
[05:56] <zoredache> holo: apt-cache show xubuntu-desktop
[05:56] <j1mc> dummy packages?  do you mean meta-packages?
[05:56] <holo> dummy packages are screwing my removings because of upgrades
[05:56] <holo> zoredache, thanks
[05:56] <zoredache> sorry, did you want to know what was in xubuntu, or all the meta packages available?
[05:57] <j1mc> maxamillion: that is cool about the rhce thing.  :)
[05:57] <holo> zoredache, so this is the only dummy package xubuntu specific?
[05:57] <j1mc> holo: well, there's xubuntu-artwork, xubuntu-restricted-extras...
[05:58] <j1mc> ... xfce4
[05:58] <zoredache> the xubuntu-desktop package is main meta package that get pretty much everything else
[05:58] <holo> nice
[05:58] <j1mc> zoredache: is right, though.
[05:58] <holo> i shall purge them all
[05:58] <zoredache> but of course there is obvious exceptions
[05:58] <j1mc> purge them all?
[05:58] <holo> yes, remove every dummy package
[05:58] <j1mc> why are you doing this again?
[05:58] <maxamillion> j1mc: yeah, i'm excited
[05:59] <holo> j1mc, yes, remove them
[05:59] <zoredache> holo: why?
[06:00] <holo> j1mc, because packages they provide, some of them I remove. so when un upgrade to a dummy package happens, it installs again those packages.. which is of course something i don't desire
[06:00] <j1mc> holo: ok... i would recommend doing the upgrade, and then removing the unwanted packages after the upgrade is successful.
[06:01] <j1mc> unless you can't do that because you don't have enough hard disk space.
[06:01] <holo> j1mc, yes, i'm doing the upgrade now, and then remove the unwanted packages. i learnt with experience not to bother with these small details. but i'm am running on very limited resources
[06:02] <holo> j1mc, 6gb.. it should also have some mp3 or movies..
[06:02] <holo> its a scsi disk though :D
[06:02] <holo> great toshiba laptop
[06:03] <holo> zoredache, sorry, i thought it was j1mc that made the question "why". you can see my answer above
[06:03] <maxamillion> scsi in a laptop? ... that's awesome
[06:04] <holo> maxamillion, yes.. at least its what it says.. well.. the laptop looks really good.. though its very old
[06:04] <zoredache> holo: we both asked why
[06:04] <zoredache> and I agree with j1mc's reccomendation
[06:05] <maxamillion> holo: oh, it might be a sata drive ... they often use scsi drivers because the technologies are closely related
[06:05] <holo> maxamillion, it looks at least 6 years old, but still the screen has such high quality.. its love at first sight
[06:05] <holo> maxamillion, sata, in such old tecnology?
[06:05] <holo> toshiba pro 4300 series
[06:05] <holo> there you have
[06:06] <maxamillion> oh, maybe that would be scsi
[06:06] <holo> :)
[06:07] <holo> the girl that owns this computer says she hates it because its damm slow with xp.. but i would prefer this machine to some modern laptops they make nowadays
[06:07] <holo> so xp is no more here anyway
[06:08] <holo> i love the keyboard, and its funny that it doesn't come with the windows key
[06:10] <maxamillion> mine had a windows key .. it doesn't do anything, but there is one here
[06:10] <maxamillion> i am actually on my tablet pc that work gave me
[06:10] <maxamillion> hp tc4400 tablet running fedora 8 (full tablet support thanks to the wacom linux project)
[06:10] <holo> maxamillion, actually its usefull for making window+d or something like that
[06:10] <holo> to go to desktop
[06:11] <maxamillion> holo: ah, true true
[06:11] <holo> of course, one can do a more twisted combination
[06:11] <maxamillion> holo: but i use ctrl+alt+(right or left arrow) to switch desktops
[06:11] <holo> exacly, that's more twisted
[06:11] <maxamillion> its just what i am used to because it is default for both gnome and xfce
[06:11] <holo> ha, switch desktops.. i'm going to remove multiple desktops.. this is so slow that she wont have many opened windows anyway
[06:12] <maxamillion> lol
[06:12] <maxamillion> on my workstation at the office i normally have atleast 4 virtual machines running at once and it assign each one to a different virtual desktop
[06:12] <holo> oh.. the upgrade that took 2hours just finished.. gotta put him making usefull work
[06:13] <holo> aha.. i'm running now xubuntu 32 bits in a virtual machine with a kubuntu host
[06:13] <maxamillion> nice
[06:13] <maxamillion> i have different distros of linux and one xp machine on my virtualbox install at work
[06:13] <holo> actually.. after using xubuntu, i want to remodel kubuntu to be xubuntu.. i hate kde.. i really can't like it
[06:13] <maxamillion> fedora 8 x86_64 is the host os though
[06:14] <maxamillion> lol, kde isn't half bad once you get used to it but the qt graphics library looks like crap
[06:15] <holo> maxamillion, kde looks nice, but after some weeks, its colesterol start to bore me.. also the lack of performance
[06:15] <maxamillion> yeah
[06:15] <maxamillion> well i gotta run ... i have work in the morning
[06:15] <maxamillion> night all!!!
[06:15] <holo> i'm running amd 64 and the file browsers are too slow to be usable
[06:20] <holo> dillo flies in this laptop!
[11:55] <Arttu> synaptic tends to freeze during searches, is there anything i can do? cpu load shoots to max...
[11:57] <ArthurArchnix> Arttu: Take a look at your sources.list. Go to a terminal and type "sudo apt-get update" does it hang, or give any errors?
[12:03] <Arttu> apt-get update had no problems
[12:04] <ArthurArchnix> what about "apt-cache search python-gpod" does that find the package pretty quick?
[12:04] <riffraff> hi everyone
[12:04] <Faust-C> anyone experiencing dbus timeouts w/ xfce4?
[12:05] <riffraff> a small question: how does verve gets its path? I can't seem to run anything
[12:05] <Faust-C> its taking a very long time for thunar to start
[12:07] <Arttu> ArthurArchnix: works fine
[12:08] <ArthurArchnix> Arttu: Ok... well, then all I can suggest is that you make sure the repos in synaptic are correct. It's always slower than apt, but as for why it would send your cpu shooting up I have no idea.
[12:12] <Arttu> i'm running an older comp so it's not uncommon that it shoots up for a second when i open something, but it synaptic used to work just fine, the locking up during a search is new
[12:14] <ArthurArchnix> Arttu: Well, if you've got decent bandwidth you can do this:
[12:14] <ArthurArchnix> sudo apt-get clean
[12:14] <ArthurArchnix> sudo apt-get update
[12:14] <ArthurArchnix> then go back into synaptic and see if it got better
[12:28] <Arttu> I'd like to hear an answer to riffraff's question, how do you set up verve? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=544394 goes over my head.
[12:28] <riffraff> :)
[12:31] <whitman> How can I lock the screen in 7.10? I click on the lock screen icon in the Action Buttons panel item but nothing happens.
[12:35] <Arttu> whitman: doesn't work for me either
[12:37] <whitman> The button works if I install xlockmore but I don't want to use that package, I just want a simple screen with a login prompt.
[14:44] <ubstud> when I try "glxinfo | grep render" IT says direct rendering = NO - could someone help me get 3d working on my comp?
[14:46] <aanderse> ubstud: what video card do you have
[14:47] <ubstud> VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01)
[16:31] <Annirak> So, I was attempting to add myself to the 'root' and 'www-data' groups to make working with some cgi scripts a little easier.  Now, I have lost the ability to sudo.  I know that I need to reboot to recovery mode, but I don't know what to do then.
[16:36] <vidd> you do not need to reboot
[16:36] <vidd> if you have root rights...
[16:36] <vidd> are you still part of the root group?
[16:37] <Annirak> Yes.
[16:37] <vidd> create a second user
[16:37] <Annirak> ok
[16:37] <vidd> ad that user to the "admin" group
[16:37] <vidd> su into that user....
[16:37] <Lectus> OMG... I installed xubuntu on my more or less high end PC, and it's *very* fast
[16:37] <vidd> then remove yourself from the root group....
[16:38] <vidd> and you should now have sudo rights
[16:38] <vidd> this is because root can never have sudo rights
[16:39] <vidd> because sudo == root....which you already are
[16:39] <vidd> =]
[16:40] <vidd> i think thats right....root = sudo
[16:40] <vidd> == is equals
[16:40] <Annirak> thanks vidd
[16:41] <vidd> did it work?
[16:42] <vidd> oh...its important to verify the second user has sudo rights BEFORE you remove yourself from root (they can remove you without sudo rights...but better safe then sorry
[16:42] <vidd> 8cant
[16:42] <vidd> *cant
[16:43] <Annirak> vidd, I used the sudo rights to be able to remove myself
[16:43] <Annirak> so that worked
[16:43] <Annirak> when I do $id annirak, all I have in groups is 'annirak'
[16:43] <vidd> so use the exit command to get back to you, and verify sudo is back
[16:43] <Annirak> I do NOT have sudo priviledges
[16:43] <vidd> ah...so add yourself to the admin group for sudo rights
[16:44] <Annirak> do I need to add myself to admin?
[16:44] <Annirak> Ok
[16:44]  * vidd prefers to nano /etc/groups
[16:45] <vidd> s/groups/group
[16:45] <Annirak> That's got it, thanks vidd
[16:46] <vidd> no probloem....20bucks =]
[16:46] <Annirak> ;)
[16:47] <vidd> It is easier to edit the /etc/group file rather then use the cli for setting someone's groups....
[16:47]  * Annirak corrals 20 young male deer and sends them galloping off to vidd
[16:47] <vidd> haha
[16:47] <vidd> dinner for  3 months!
[16:48] <Annirak> haha
[16:48] <vidd> the reason is, the cli commands remove all group settings and only adds the specific groups you specify
[16:48] <vidd> for example...on a default install:
[16:48] <vidd> vidd@sloth:~/rbot$ id vidd
[16:48] <vidd> uid=1000(vidd) gid=1000(vidd) groups=1000(vidd),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),104(scanner),108(lpadmin),109(admin),115(netdev),118(powerdev)
[16:48] <Annirak> oh man
[16:48] <Annirak> I'm missing some groups
[16:49] <vidd> this is why I manually edit the /etc/group file....
[16:49] <vidd> so i dont get yanked out of groups I need my mistake....
[16:49] <vidd> are you in a WM or cli-only system?
[16:51] <Annirak> I was in a WM when started the process
[16:52] <Annirak> but before you told me not to reboot, I had already rebooted.
[16:52] <vidd> in the wm, you can go to Applications->System->Users_and_Groups
[16:52] <vidd> to fix up your groups
[16:52] <Annirak> Ok
[16:53] <vidd> you should be able to access the wm now that you are no longer root
[16:53] <vidd> (by default, root cannot log in to the wm in ubuntu)
[16:53] <Annirak> Well, I rebooted out of recovery mode once I got sudo back?
[16:53] <Annirak> -?
[16:54] <vidd> you should not have been in recovery mode....
[16:54] <vidd> reboot into normal mode....
[16:54] <Annirak> already done
[16:54] <vidd> pray you can!
[16:54] <vidd> can you log into wm?
[16:55] <Annirak> yes
[16:55] <Annirak> worked like a charm
[16:56] <Annirak> (I made sure to set my groups to 'annirak,root,admin'
[16:56] <vidd> ok...hop into the users and groups tool and edit your groups
[16:56] <Annirak> so logging in again wasn't an issue
[16:56] <Annirak> Yeah, it seems to be all good
[16:56] <vidd> im surprised you could log into wm as part of the root group
[16:57] <Annirak> Hey, I don't know, I'm just happy it's working ;)
[16:57]  * vidd NEVER will add himself to root group
[16:58] <Annirak> err, why?
[16:58] <vidd> maybe create a root alias...but never his main login!
[16:58]  * Annirak comes from a debian background and doesn't see a problem with logging in as root once in a while.
[16:59] <vidd> There is no need to open yourself to unnecessary risk
[16:59] <vidd> root is disable for a reason...its dangerous
[16:59] <vidd> and wholely unneeded
[17:00] <vidd> and, as being part of the root group, you cannot correctly compile certain programs
[17:00] <vidd> as these apps MUST be made as a USER and NOT root
[17:01] <Annirak> Yeah, I had a valid reason for doing it, I swear.  But instead, I am going to remove myself from root again, and change the group of /user/lib/cgi-bin to www-data
[17:01] <Annirak> Does that make sense?
[17:01] <vidd> no
[17:01] <vidd> why use cgi-bin at all?
[17:01] <Annirak> Then what would you do if you need to be able to add files to cgi-bin?
[17:01] <Annirak> How would you do that instead?
[17:02] <vidd> cgi-bin should be only accessable by root....
[17:02] <vidd> well....belong to root
[17:03] <vidd> the individual files you put in there should be set with read+execute permissions to all
[17:03] <vidd> or chown them to www-data
[17:03] <zoredache> why is your cgi-bin directory in /usr/lib ?  /usr is meant to be read-only?
[17:04] <Annirak> zoredache: that's the default setting in apache2/ubuntu
[17:04] <Annirak> vidd I was going to set them to 775, with user as root and group as www-data
[17:04] <vidd> will you be having ppl running pearl scripts on your machine?
[17:05] <Annirak> vidd: only python, I expect.
[17:05] <Annirak> though I might add python at some point
[17:05] <Annirak> -python + perl
[17:05] <vidd> @ 775, might just as well leave them as roo:root
[17:05] <vidd> *root:root
[17:06] <Lectus> I've installed pretty much all gstreamer codecs and can't play mp3 on totem. Any ideas?
[17:06] <Annirak> The point was that I wanted to be able to modify them as annirak, without having to sudo every time I wanted to edit them.
[17:06] <Lectus> I was able to play on ubuntu
[17:06] <zoredache> Anyway, I completely disagree with vidd, if you need to regularly install/maintain your cgi stuff, create another directory and create a group that can write there
[17:06] <zoredache> put yourself in the group
[17:06] <Annirak> zoredach: would you make a /var/www/htdocs/cgi-bin and do it that way?
[17:06] <vidd> zoredache, acually...that is right there with what i was saying...just dont be root
[17:07] <zoredache> Annirak: I wouldn't put a cgi-bin direcotry under the htdocs directory....  if things break you could disclose the behind-the-scenes stuff needlessly
[17:07] <vidd> but i prefer to stay away from cgi if i can...dangerous stuff!
[17:08] <zoredache> maybe create a /var/lib/cgibin or something
[17:08] <philphoto> anyone using a Thinkpad?
[17:09] <vidd> no...but what is your question anyway?
[17:10] <philphoto> I use a T30 with 7.10 and I have no wired ethernet.  it's built in to the mobo and there is no evidence of eth support
[17:11] <vidd> so the system has wired ethernet, you have the cable plugged in, and you get no internet connection?
[17:11] <Lectus> how can I play mp3 on xubuntu?
[17:11] <zoredache> Lectus: install a movie player and the extra codecs
[17:11] <vidd> philphoto, is that esentially correct?
[17:11] <Lectus> zoredache: I've installed pretty much all gstreamer codecs and totem can't play mp3.
[17:12] <philphoto> yes.  beyond that, lshw, lspci and lsmod don't show anything relating to wired ethernet or the eepro100 controller
[17:12] <Lectus> zoredache: I remember on ubuntu I could play with these plugins
[17:12] <vidd> leche, install amorok
[17:12] <vidd> Lectus, install amorok
[17:12] <zoredache> Lectus: I like playing music/media with vlc,
[17:12] <leche> vidd, why should i xD
[17:12] <vidd> leche, wrong person
[17:13] <leche> i know ;-)
[17:13] <Lectus> zoredache: I'll try vlc... thanks
[17:13] <philphoto> Lectus: I use some of the lighter weight players not based on KDE and just installed the mp3 codec
[17:13] <vidd> philphoto, have you check the blacklist to verify that it is not listed there?
[17:13] <Lectus> vidd: yes, but amarok is for KDE ;)
[17:13] <leche> ok, now im writing here, could anybody tell me why two nm-applets are started?
[17:13] <leche> i dont know what i did wrong...
[17:13] <philphoto> vidd: no I haven't, thanks.
[17:14] <vidd> philphoto, let me know if that is a bust
[17:14] <philphoto> vidd: where would I be looking?
[17:14] <vidd> leche, well...first off. you installed nm-applet
[17:14] <zoredache> leche: multiple nm-apples is a pretty common thing... delete your session cache add it usually stops
[17:15] <vidd> philphoto, let me find that file...one sec....
[17:15] <Lectus> vlc works fine :D
[17:15] <philphoto> thanks
[17:15] <zoredache> leche: .cache/sessions
[17:16] <vidd> Lectus, it is a know fact...totem socks like there is no 2moro
[17:16] <leche> thx zoredache :-)
[17:16] <Annirak> zoredache: since /var/www/htdocs is my document root, I'll make a /var/www/cgi-bin.  That should be safe.
[17:16] <vidd> Annirak, the hackers will thank you for it
[17:17] <vidd> quickest, fastest, easiest way to compromise a system
[17:18] <Annirak> vidd: it's one directory removed...
[17:18] <Annirak> what's the problem?
[17:18] <zoredache> Annirak: that should be fine...  If you are going to be running a public web server takes some time to read about securing and hardening your system
[17:19] <zoredache> Annirak: I think vidd is just woried because there are tons of insecure cgi-bin applications
[17:19] <Annirak> zoredache: I'm actually building an internal webserver.  It's not supposed to be exposed to the public.
[17:19] <vidd> philphoto, look here: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[17:20] <vidd> Annirak, if it is not accessable to the outside world, then do what you want....
[17:20] <Annirak> Also, my cgi-bin apps are all in python and all my inputs are sanitized by the python cgi library.
[17:20] <vidd> but it would be better to practice safe networking for the times you want to make a public server
[17:20] <philphoto> vidd:  thanks.  I forgot the .d in there.
[17:21] <Annirak> vidd: on the off chance that someone wants to make it outside-accessible some day, I want it secure.
[17:21] <vidd> you know what they say abouts habits
[17:21] <zoredache> Annirak: why cgi-bin python?  Whynot with mod-python, or something else like that?
[17:21] <Annirak> zoredache: I'm using mod-python, actually
[17:21] <vidd> if your not going to allow perl scripts, you dont need cgi-bin
[17:22] <Annirak> I just need to add the mod-python handler to the appropriate directory.
[17:22] <zoredache> if you are using mod-python for all your scripts then you don't need the folders to be set for cgi-bin
[17:22] <Annirak> However.  I should still have an inaccessible directory for storing it
[17:22] <vidd> sudo apt-get install doesnt do that for you?
[17:23] <philphoto> vidd:  there you go.  it was right in there.  eepro100 was blacklisted.  thanks.  gonna restart & see what I get
[17:23] <zoredache> eepro100 is blacklisted because e100 is the prefered module I thought
[17:25] <vidd> zoredache, yeah...but that moduale was not detecting his card
[18:15] <vidd> survey says? philphoto
[18:15] <philphoto> vidd: no joy
[18:16] <vidd> lspci does not see it?
[18:16] <philphoto> vidd: blacklisted module still looks like it has no hardware to affect.
[18:17] <philphoto> vidd: lspci, no.
[18:17] <philphoto> i can post it if you want
[18:17] <vidd> ok....does the machine dual-boot windows?
[18:17] <vidd> yeah...
[18:18] <vidd> !pastebin philphoto
[18:18] <philphoto> vidd: no, but that's another thing I'm going to work on.
[18:18] <vidd> I ask because i want to see if windows sees it...
[18:19] <philphoto> vidd: I just got a new 120gb hdd so I certainly have the room.  i just don' t like the PITA of windoze overwriting my grub
[18:19] <vidd> if windows does NOT see it, then the card is bad, and needs to be replaced
[18:19] <philphoto> right, I had the same idea
[18:19] <philphoto> there is no card though
[18:19] <philphoto> it's built into the mobo
[18:19] <vidd> if there is no card, then how do you have wired?
[18:19] <vidd> well...its an internal card....
[18:19] <philphoto> wifi works fantastic.  i'm talking on it right now
[18:20] <philphoto> yeah.  no physical card.
[18:20] <vidd> actually...yes...ther is a physical card....
[18:20] <vidd> you just have to crack the case to get to it
[18:20] <vidd> its possible that the card is loose
[18:20] <philphoto> I just read most of the manual and couldn't find anything about it.
[18:22] <philphoto> there IS the wifi mini-pci and a port for bluetooth or modem daughter card, but wired is built into the board as far as i can find
[18:23] <philphoto> ubotu: pastebin
[18:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:25] <philphoto> vidd: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/58773/
[18:38] <Ejlan> hello
[18:39] <Ejlan> any one here that know what the problem can be if my monitor turns black when i try to boot/install xubuntu
[18:40] <philphoto> Ejlan: what machine are you using?
[18:40] <vidd> Ejlan, you have 2 monitor jacks?
[18:40] <Ejlan> i have a 8800gt
[18:40] <Ejlan> and dueal core cpu
[18:40] <Ejlan> *dual
[18:40] <Ejlan> and 3gb ram
[18:41] <Ejlan> and i suppose i have 2 monitor jacks
[18:41] <philphoto> athlon? intel?
[18:41] <Ejlan> athlon
[18:41] <Ejlan> or atleast a amd
[18:42] <philphoto> right
[18:42] <Ejlan> im trying to boot the 64bit dist
[18:42] <philphoto> are you using the right iso?
[18:42] <Ejlan> yes
[18:42] <philphoto> and it blanks out while running the live distro?
[18:43] <Ejlan> yes
[18:43] <philphoto> have you tried booting up into a shell?
[18:43] <Ejlan> no
[18:43] <philphoto> vidd: any thoughts on my wired issue?
[18:45] <vidd> sorry...im at work
[18:45] <philphoto> no worries.  sorry about that
[18:46] <vidd> Ejlan, switch the monitor cord to the other monitor jack
[18:46] <philphoto> Ejlan:  I've got two ideas on the problem, but i don't run a true dual core cpu.
[18:49] <Ejlan> samething whit that jack
[18:50] <philphoto> did you run check cd for defects?
[18:50] <Ejlan> i think it should be alright
[18:50] <Ejlan> cause i got the same error when i tryed ubuntu some days ago
[18:50] <vidd> i'd run it neway
[18:50] <philphoto> no, it's checks the data
[18:51] <vidd> is your system an amd32 or amd64 or intel 32 or intel64?
[18:51] <Ejlan> amd64 X2
[18:51] <philphoto> he has amd 64
[18:52] <philphoto> I'm thinking that Ejlan's live cd has some argument with a 64bit dual core cpu.
[18:53] <vidd> I ask cuzz i have a 64 bit processor...but it uses the 32 bit disk...got the same blank screen
[18:53] <Ejlan> i am sertan that i took the amd64 iso
[18:53] <vidd> hardy ot gutsy?
[18:53] <philphoto> or it's running fine and the GC is not responding
[18:53] <Ejlan> 7.10
[18:54] <Ejlan> (thats gutsy if im right)
[18:54] <vidd> Ejlan, im sure you did two...but if your system is intel 64 and not amd64, you have the wrong disk
[18:54] <philphoto> gutsy = yes.
[18:54] <Ejlan> i am on a amd
[18:54] <Ejlan> and i think it's related to mu GC
[18:54] <philphoto> try booting the cd into a shell
[18:55] <Ejlan> wmware? or how do you mean
[18:55] <Ejlan> (new to this)
[18:55] <philphoto> do you get a dialog that allows you to choose how to boot the live cd?
[18:55] <Ejlan> yeah
[18:56] <philphoto> hit recovery mode
[18:56] <Ejlan> i can't see any recovery mode option
[18:56] <vidd> what choices do you have?
[18:56] <philphoto> what options do you have?
[18:57] <vidd> lol
[18:57] <Ejlan> Start or instal xubuntu, graphic safe , instal whit driver cd, OEM install, check cd, Memory test, boot from first hd
[18:58] <Ejlan> and the f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 options
[18:58] <philphoto> try graphic safe
[18:58] <Ejlan> tryed it already
[18:58] <Ejlan> same thing
[18:58] <philphoto> did you check cd?
[18:58] <vidd> hit [esc] and type apci=off
[18:58] <Ejlan> can it be that the 8800 serie don't work well whit linux?
[18:59] <vidd> or is that acpi?
[18:59] <philphoto> acpi
[18:59] <vidd> my twisted fingers!
[18:59] <philphoto> the other confusing one is apic
[19:00] <Ejlan> meh i can't find the sign on this keybord layout (im swedish)
[19:00] <vidd> the one that turns power conrols off
[19:00] <philphoto> Ejlan: I'm a firm believer that linux will work better than windoze on everything down to a flashlight.
[19:01] <philphoto> acpi
[19:01] <vidd> Ejlan, i have good news and bad news....if this works, you can happily install linux on your system....bad news, you will need the alt cd, or to edit grub to get it to load properly....
[19:02] <philphoto> that's not that bad
[19:02] <vidd> because when you boot the live cd with acpi off, it does not install with acpi off
[19:02] <maxamillion> hiya vidd, long time no speak
[19:02] <vidd> (just another reason to never use the live cd
[19:03] <vidd> hello maxamillion
[19:03] <vidd> philphoto, im at a loss with your wired...
[19:03] <vidd> i think its a burned card
[19:04] <philphoto> I'll see if i can find a factory repair manual & get at where the card is on the board.
[19:06] <vidd> Ejlan, did acpi=off get the wm to load?
[19:06] <Ejlan> im still working on the layout issue
[19:06] <Ejlan> :S
[19:07] <philphoto> I was also thinking that adding nosplash might help.  that screen has messed up my desktop boot once in a while (by that machine is literally dying piece by piece.)
[19:08] <vidd> heh....when your done hacking it, mail it to me....ill take any (free) computer!
[19:09] <vidd> =]
[19:10] <Ejlan> im gonna give up now i can't find the "=" button
[19:10] <philphoto> southbridge = on the fritz.
[19:10] <Ejlan> lol
[19:10] <philphoto> Ejlan: give me a sec, I might be able to find that out
[19:11] <vidd> then try noacpi
[19:11] <EjlanZ> k
[19:11] <vidd> and if you have 2 monitors, plug them both in
[19:11] <EjlanZ> didn't work and i don't have 2 monitors
[19:12] <vidd> get an error?
[19:12] <vidd> or just a black scree?
[19:12] <EjlanZ> i don't get any thing atm
[19:12] <philphoto> Ejlan: QWERTY keyboard layout in Swedish has = as alternate to zero
[19:12] <philphoto> SHIFT + 0
[19:12] <EjlanZ> i get a ) when i do that
[19:13] <philphoto> dang
[19:13] <EjlanZ> :S
[19:13] <vidd> then you need to hit the key 2 buttons to the right....no shift
[19:13] <EjlanZ> yay it worked ^^
[19:14] <philphoto> Ejlan: you have an english keyboard
[19:14] <philphoto> that has had the keys changed
[19:14] <philphoto> lol
[19:14] <EjlanZ> donno
[19:14] <philphoto> yes.  get some stickers for the special keys
[19:15] <EjlanZ> the = sign is in Shift+7
[19:15] <Arttu> something's happened to my synaptic, it keeps stalling on searches. any ideas? it'll keep going for hours at cpu load sky high and nothing happens. it still closes normally, though, after thinking a while
[19:15] <philphoto> really?
[19:15] <vidd> Arttu, 7.04, 7.10, or 8.04?
[19:15] <EjlanZ> but that command you gave me only get me "Could not find kernel image: apci=off
[19:16] <philphoto> Ejlan: that is odd.  should be two keys to the right, not left
[19:16] <philphoto> acpi
[19:16] <Arttu> 7.10
[19:16] <philphoto> not apci
[19:16] <EjlanZ> it worked 2 steps to the right
[19:16] <philphoto> I gotcha
[19:17] <EjlanZ> same "Could not find kernel image whit acpi
[19:17] <vidd> boot [space] acpi=off
[19:18] <EjlanZ> Could not find kernel image
[19:18] <vidd> did you type "boot"
[19:18] <EjlanZ> oops
[19:19] <EjlanZ> same whit whit boot
[19:19] <vidd> its been forever since i used a live cd....
[19:19] <vidd> hit [F6] and add acpi=off to the end of the line
[19:20] <EjlanZ> same
[19:21] <EjlanZ> but i think im gonna boot back to windiw$ and try again tomorrow
[19:21] <vidd> get you an alt cd
[19:21] <vidd> or the mini
[19:21] <EjlanZ> ok
[19:21] <philphoto> good luck
[19:21] <EjlanZ> thx
[19:21] <EjlanZ> cya tomorrow then maybe ^^
[19:23] <vidd> maxamillion, bug 198902
[19:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 198902 in update-manager "Xubuntu Update Manager crash dapper-hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/198902
[19:23] <maxamillion> HAHAHAHA
[19:23] <maxamillion> that is stellar
[19:23] <vidd> what?
[19:24] <maxamillion> part of the reason i left the project, nobody takes care of critical bugs
[19:24] <vidd> what do you use now?
[19:25] <maxamillion> same with apache2-mod_python in dapper ... its the LTS release, and nobody has fixed a critical bug in that
[19:25] <maxamillion> vidd: combination of debian and fedora ... depending on what machine i am sitting infront of
[19:25] <maxamillion> vidd: i got a new job, i'm a full time linux admin for my university and all the servers here are RHEL so i got warmed up to the rpm side of the fence
[19:26] <philphoto> maxamillion: which U, if i may ask?
[19:26] <vidd> maxamillion, i spent 3 days getting the data for that bug....they BETTER get someoone on it!
[19:26] <vidd> =]
[19:27] <vidd> cody is supposedly going to try to duplicate it
[19:27] <maxamillion> philphoto: www.shsu.edu
[19:28] <vidd> took precious time away from the java issue i was working on =\
[19:28] <maxamillion> philphoto: sorry for the crappy website, i have nothing to do with the web development team
[19:30] <philphoto> maxamillion: no worries.  I'm a student at Temple U.  Large part of IT uses SuSE
[19:31] <vrkhans> i have  installed realplayer from its bin file, now i want to remove it how can i do that
[19:31] <maxamillion> philphoto: oh cool cool
[19:31] <maxamillion> philphoto: SuSE is a solid distro as well, very nice feature set ... RHCE is a bit more "generic" or "vanilla", kinda no frills but gets the job done
[19:32] <maxamillion> but i do like that RHCE has an array of ncurses configuration utilities ... makes my migration from 8 years of debian systems over to redhat a bit easier
[19:32] <philphoto> maxamillion: debian is my first venture into linux.  my intel desktop is dying and next build I'm thinking of going to SuSE
[19:33] <philphoto> I used RedHat back in the Navy
[19:33] <maxamillion> philphoto: openSuSE is a very nice desktop distro, i actually used it for a little while because a friend of mine down at Rice University swears by it, but once i got the job here i switched to fedora on my laptop just because its what i will be working with here at the office
[19:34] <vrkhans> no one like gentoo, i heard lot about gentoo
[19:34] <maxamillion> vrkhans: gentoo is a really good distro, but neophytes need not apply
[19:35] <philphoto> maxamillion: how are fedora & Suse for laptop useage?  bigger than my current xubuntu?  I'm running old IBM laptops
[19:36] <maxamillion> philphoto: well, its going to be bigger mainly because of gnome as opposed to xfce
[19:36] <vrkhans> i got it
[19:36] <vrkhans> :-)
[19:37] <maxamillion> philphoto: but in terms of hardware support and ease of setup, they are actually a bit better
[19:37] <vrkhans> maxamillion, have you used it
[19:38] <philphoto> maxamillion: right.  I probably have enough horsepower in the T30 to run a gnome environment, but I like simplicity as well.
[19:38] <maxamillion> vrkhans: yeah, i used it for a while but i'm too impatient to compile everything
[19:38] <philphoto> maxamillion: i love apt-get though & I don't know if i can say bye to that
[19:39] <maxamillion> philphoto: oh yeah, a T30 would do fine with gnome ... and gnome really isn't as bloated as many people make it out to be ... i think my laptop with fedora 8 and gnome sits at about 115mb of ram on a fresh boot and i can't remember the last time i used more than 400mb of ram (and i do quite a bit on my laptop)
[19:40] <maxamillion> philphoto: yum is similar, by no means the same, but has all the same capabilities
[19:40] <philphoto> maxamillion: I just stuck 2GB ram into the T30.  :)
[19:41] <vrkhans> does any one know how to remove realplay , i installed it using its bin file
[19:41] <vrkhans> or i just use rm
[19:41] <maxamillion> philphoto: yeah, you'll never tax that unless you fire up some sort of virtualization, run wine, or have a horrible memory leak
[19:41] <zoredache> removing realplayer?  doesn't that require a sacrifice of a baby?
[19:42] <maxamillion> vrkhans: i'm not too sure what all its bin file does, but if you use rm it will get rid of the main application file ... might leave behind some configs and maybe some codec files around your file system
[19:42] <philphoto> maxamillion: perhaps I'll load up SuSE on my ultrabay hdd & experiment on that.
[19:42] <philphoto> and THAT is why i love apt-get
[19:43] <maxamillion> philphoto: wouldn't be a bad idea, its pretty nice but i just don't like that openSuSE is so KDE-centric so you have to install some stuff from their build service community repositories, but its not that bad
[19:43] <maxamillion> philphoto: why?
[19:44] <philphoto> maxamillion: regarding your comment to vrkhans & configs & codecs being left behind.  apt-get does a good job of cleaning up everything
[19:44] <vrkhans> maxamillion, actually realplay you can install with apt-get so what i did i download its .bin file and just run that, it extract and make a directory and other execuatable, now i am thinking wat is the right way to remove it
[19:44] <vrkhans> can not install
[19:45] <maxamillion> philphoto: oh, yeah ... well that's an attribute of almost any good package manager and technically apt-get doesn't do that by default, you have to use the --purge flag to make it get rid of all the config files and such
[19:45] <vrkhans> so i can try apt-get purge realplay
[19:46] <vrkhans> even i didnt use it to install realplay
[19:46] <zoredache> no
[19:46] <philphoto> true
[19:46] <vrkhans> thats what i think
[19:46] <vrkhans> so only option is rm the whole directory
[19:46] <zoredache> well.. actually you can 'try' it, but it won't do anything
[19:46] <vrkhans> i know
[19:47] <maxamillion> vrkhans: what directory are you talking about?
[19:48] <vrkhans> another thing i need some player for listening the live stream on npr which required windows media player, any suggestion
[19:48] <maxamillion> because if you do it to the wrong directory you could nuke your system
[19:48] <vrkhans> realplayer directory
[19:48] <maxamillion> vrkhans: what is the exact path to the directory?
[19:49] <vrkhans> actually the .bin file create a directory in my home directory
[19:49] <vrkhans> name Realplayer
[19:49] <maxamillion> vrkhans: ok, that you can remove safely
[19:51] <vrkhans> maxamillion, what is the command to rm the whole dir
[19:51] <maxamillion> rm -fr name_of_directory
[19:52] <vrkhans> thanks
[19:52] <vrkhans> any replacement for windows media player
[19:53] <vrkhans> i just want to use it for listening the live streaming for npr
[19:53] <maxamillion> npr?
[19:53] <vrkhans> any player that play .axs format
[19:54] <vrkhans> national public radio
[19:54] <vrkhans> sorry its .asx format
[19:54] <vrkhans> it ask for windows media player
[19:55] <vrkhans> any player which play windows media palyer format
[19:55] <Annerhea> Hi, I've got what may be a very dumb newbie question - am I allowed to ask?
[19:56] <vrkhans> go ahead
[19:56] <Annerhea> Thanks, I try to connect to a shared drive on a windows machine using my newly installed xubuntu
[19:57] <Annerhea> But although smbclient lists the share I am not able to mount it
[19:58] <Annerhea> I tried to mount it following this manual http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Samba_Client
[20:00] <Annerhea> when i type at the terminal: sudo mount -t smbfs //servername/share /media/mountpoint
[20:00] <Annerhea> I get an error
[20:01] <Annerhea> "mount wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //servername/share, mising codepage ore helper program, or other error
[20:01] <Annerhea> which is not very helpful
[20:01] <Annerhea> at least not for me
[20:02] <vidd> what is the name of the server? what is the name of the shared folder?
[20:02] <Annerhea> Servername is EXIL shared folder is L
[20:02] <vidd> name of the server= //servername, shared folder(or file) is /share
[20:03] <Annerhea> no blanks - i checked that
[20:03] <Annerhea> :)
[20:03] <vrkhans> have you check your media folder, what drives are there
[20:04] <vidd> so then you would want to sudo mount -t smbfs //EXIL/l /media/[whatever youwant the mountpoint to be]
[20:04] <vrkhans> i have shared windows partition, but i havent use smba
[20:04] <Annerhea> i created the mountpoint earlier and it shows in the media folder
[20:04] <vidd> OR just instal linnetworkneighborhood
[20:05] <Annerhea> ok
[20:05] <Annerhea> Do i find it at the available programs list?
[20:06] <vidd> give me a sc....
[20:06] <Annerhea> sorry, dumb question I should be able to copy & past this into the list myself ;-)
[20:07] <vidd> im looking up the "proper" app name
[20:07] <vidd> sudo apt-get install linneighborhood
[20:08] <vidd> its in the "universe" repo's
[20:08] <Annerhea> installing ... :)
[20:09] <ppe> Sorry, I'm brand new at this and I accidently destroyed my Panelbar. Is there anyway to 'restore' it to it's original settings?
[20:09] <ppe> Without reinstalling, of course :)
[20:09]  * vidd does not allow windows machines to polute his linux boxes, so the app name alludes him sometimes
[20:10] <vidd> ppe when you say "destroyed"...what do you mean?
[20:10] <ppe> I deleted everything.
[20:10] <ppe> There's only a little star left.
[20:10] <vidd> open thunar....
[20:10] <Annerhea> hey, if i were as good with linux as i am with windows i would't use win at all...
[20:10] <ppe> vidd, k
[20:10] <vidd> Annerhea, i dont use windows except to play command and conquor
[20:11] <vrkhans> any one using e17
[20:11] <ppe> Thunar open and armed !
[20:11] <vidd> click "view" and place the check next to "show hidden files"
[20:11] <Annerhea> vidd, i have to, we use it at work and i'm kind of an admin...
[20:11] <ppe> vidd, done and dusted
[20:12] <vidd> open .config (notice the "."
[20:12] <vidd> open xfce4
[20:12] <ppe> . means hidden, right ?
[20:12] <vidd> delete the entire folder "panel"
[20:13] <vidd> yes
[20:13] <ppe> Okay, I'm in /xfce4
[20:13] <ppe> deleted.
[20:13] <vidd> restart x ([ctrl]+[alt]+[backspace]
[20:14] <vidd> panels reloaded at default settings
[20:14] <ppe> Ah, cool!
[20:14] <ppe> That really was a lot of help.
[20:14] <vidd> did it work?
[20:15] <ppe> Yeah, except I've got two PanelBars now :D
[20:15] <ppe> But I think I know how to handle that.
[20:15] <ppe> If nothing else, I can always destroy it again :)
[20:15] <Annerhea> vidd, linneighborhood is now installed what now?
[20:19] <vidd> browse your networks =]
[20:19] <Annerhea> ok, did it and tried to mount from there
[20:19] <Annerhea> "failed to mount"
[20:19] <vidd> did you browse for it?
[20:19] <Annerhea> yes
[20:20] <vidd> idk then =\ as i said...i dont use it
[20:20] <vidd> I just know ppl say its easier
[20:20] <Annerhea> ok, thanks for your help anyway
[20:20] <Annerhea> i guess it must be the samba then
[20:21] <Annerhea> maybe it's not properly configured...
[20:21] <Annerhea> Only, I have no idea how to configure...
[20:22] <vidd> Annerhea, check this out: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280473
[20:29] <Faust-C> ok i need a little help
[20:29] <Faust-C> thunar hsa become extremely slow to launch
[20:31] <philphoto> vidd: found out my wired ethernet problem.
[20:31] <zoredache> Faust-C: run 'top' in a terminal?
[20:32] <Faust-C> zoredache, sec
[20:32] <zoredache> see if anything is hogging the cpu
[20:33] <philphoto> vidd: this is a new mini-pci wifi card, installed by the previous owner.  he took out the OEM card for another TP he was working on and from my searching on the ibm site, it looks like the controller is built into the oem mini-pci card, not the new prism card.   philphoto = feels like idiot
[20:33] <Faust-C> zoredache, nothing is just thunar takes forever to launch
[20:34] <zoredache> Faust-C: do you have any network volumes mounted?
[20:34] <Faust-C> zoredache, yeah ... i was hoping that wasnt gonna be the issue....
[20:35]  * Faust-C *sigh* time to remove shares for fstab
[20:35] <Faust-C> i tried using fusesmb but it cant access password protected shares
[20:35] <zoredache> Faust-C: I generally thing it is a very BAD idea to mount shares via the fstab
[20:35] <zoredache> I perfer to set them up in autofs
[20:36] <zoredache> with autofs, the share will only be mounted when you are looking in the directory
[20:36] <Faust-C> zoredache, autofs? (btw im not as n00b as i sound jsut new to using something 'easy')
[20:37] <zoredache> autofs is a too that will basically watch a directory... if any program tries to use that directory it will mount something into it
[20:37] <zoredache> and it has a timeout so that after a while whatever it was will be unmounted
[20:37] <Faust-C> zoredache, would you happen to have a link to a doc or howto ?
[20:38] <zoredache> I have used it for so long I don't really look a the docs anymore... this is the first hit on google though
[20:38] <zoredache> http://www.linux-consulting.com/Amd_AutoFS/autofs.html
[20:38] <Faust-C> zoredache, ty very much, @ work here i need easy access to shares
[20:39] <zoredache> really it should be as easy as installing 'apt-get install autofs', creating your mount map '/etc/auto.whatever', and updating the master configuration '/etc/auto.master'
[20:39] <Faust-C> zoredache, sweet deal thx
[20:40] <zoredache> of course the really-advanced guys use executable maps... so I basically have a shared named /net
[20:41] <Faust-C> zoredache, wish i would have seen this prior
[20:41] <zoredache> and so when I look in /net/username+servername/sharename it will automatically will mount whatever server I want
[20:41] <Faust-C> ive wasted 2 days messing w/ fusesmb and fstab
[20:41] <Faust-C> zoredache, is it pretty speedy or laggy ?
[20:42] <zoredache> what do you mean speedy?
[20:42] <zoredache> autofs will mount whatever you are mounting in the same ammount of time it takes from you to mount from a command line
[20:42] <zoredache> once it is mounted it should be the same performance as if it was mounted through the fstab
[20:43] <zoredache> if you want fast smb performance you probably want to make sure you use the cifs support in the kernel
[20:43] <Faust-C> ok
[20:43] <Faust-C> very informative
[20:44] <Faust-C> never messed w/ a kernel in binary based distro
[20:44] <Faust-C> havent messed w/ a linux kern since gentoo
[20:44] <zoredache> you don't have to do anything with the kernel...  the cifs driver is built into the stock kernels by default
[20:44] <Faust-C> oh
[20:45] <zoredache> I am just suggest a mount -t cifs is faster then a mount -f smbfs and much faster then fusesmb
[20:45] <NBrepresent> hi, i'm having a weird issue with my modem. it works fine, except for when i first boot
[20:46] <Annerhea> vidd, did it now - your link helped! Thank you very much!
[20:46] <Annerhea> bye
[20:46] <NBrepresent> when i try to connect it reports that the modem is busy, but this is fixed by disabling and reenabling the modem in network connections
[20:46] <NBrepresent> the problem is that i don't want to have to do that every time, and this is actually a computer i'm setting up for my mum
[20:47] <NBrepresent> so she won't know how to do that
[20:47] <NBrepresent> can someone help me add something to a startup script to automate resetting the modem ?
[20:47] <Faust-C> zoredache, i see, ill get to reading ty u very much
[20:48] <gerro> NBrepresent: what do you need help with?
[20:48] <NBrepresent> well, what command would i need to execute to have the same effect as unchecking and checking the box for the modem under network connections?
[20:49] <NBrepresent> and then how do i run that command as part of a startup script?
[20:49] <gerro> NBrepresent: umm capture some packets and see then try sending the same through netcat in a shell script
[20:49] <NBrepresent> i don't understand any of that, i'm sorry
[20:50] <gerro> NBrepresent: what sort of authentication does your modem use if any?
[20:50] <gerro> like are you sshing into it?
[20:50] <NBrepresent> no
[20:50] <NBrepresent> i'm sitting at the computer
[20:51] <NBrepresent> the modem uses pap/chap i think
[20:51] <gerro> NBrepresent: apt-get install wireshark turn that on and turn off all other network programs. then do as you would to reset modem while capturing packets. see what your sending and send the same through a raw connection with netcat by using a bash script name the text file something.sh and chmod +x it then set it for auto start
[20:52] <gerro> NBrepresent: you try browsing web with telnet its similar ;)
[20:52] <NBrepresent> so checking the button actually sends packets?
[20:52] <gerro> yes
[20:52] <gerro> in html
[20:53] <NBrepresent> it sounds like it turns the modem off and back on (i hear it click)
[20:53] <gerro> but it probably uses some sort of ssl or other stuff so might complicate things
[20:53] <zoredache> just to be clear... you are talking about a old telephone modem right?
[20:53] <NBrepresent> yes
[20:53] <gerro> Nbrepresent: why not set your web browser for startup and modem as the homepage?
[20:54] <NBrepresent> i think you think i'm talking about a router
[20:54] <gerro> no its a modem
[20:54] <NBrepresent> i'm talking about a pci dial up modem
[20:54] <NBrepresent> the modem doesn't have a 'page' that i know of that i could load in a browser
[20:55] <gerro> ah crap I was thinking it was one of those external modems with an html login thing
[20:55] <gerro> doesn't it automatically do this stuff for you though?
[20:55] <gerro> or did config files not get setup properly?
[20:55] <NBrepresent> it's all set up and configured, and works every time except for when i first boot
[20:55] <ppe> So... I am installing xubuntu-restricted-extras, and I saw away from the screen for a moment, and then this blue and grey 'Package configuration' is all over my console. There's an <ok> in the bottom, but I can't click it. Should I just close it?
[20:56] <NBrepresent> i just need a command to turn the modem off and back on as part of the startup routine
[20:56] <vidd> philphoto, i TOLD ya it was an issue with the lan card!
[20:56] <gerro> NBrepresent: oh you mean disconnect then reconnect
[20:57] <NBrepresent> no, not the internet connection
[20:57] <NBrepresent> disable and reenable the modem itself
[20:57] <gerro> the modem is a part of your computer like you've said though
[20:57] <NBrepresent> the way the network connections tick box does when you use it
[20:57] <gerro> can't you still use that box?
[20:58] <NBrepresent> no, because i would have to do it every time after i turn the computer on
[20:58] <gerro> maybe some way to figure out how it does it
[20:58] <gerro> NBrepresent: go into /etc/network/interfaces see if its set to auto then
[20:58] <NBrepresent> that's what i'm trying to do, figure out what it does, then replicate that and automate it
[20:58] <gerro> like I have eth0 set to auto with dhcp
[20:58] <philphoto> vidd: yeah, but because there is NO wired ethernet in the new card and all the documentation about this machine says it's just there, makes the asumption that the user would never install anything other than a dual wifi/wired ethernet card
[20:59] <philphoto> vidd:  very confusing but now it's all good.
[20:59] <philphoto> my next question is more pressing...
[20:59] <vidd> ask away
[20:59] <NBrepresent> auto lo
[20:59] <NBrepresent> iface lo inet loopback
[20:59] <NBrepresent> content of interfaces
[20:59] <ppe> Not that my question was very pressing, it's just that I'm afraid to just close it :)
[21:00] <gerro> yeah something like auto then whatever your modems called and iface modem inet dhcp
[21:00] <gerro> ifconfig shows what it is while its normally running
[21:00] <ppe> Oh, nevermind
[21:00] <vidd> ppe ...sorry...i was working on a call for work....didnt see you ?
[21:00] <philphoto> ppe:   I'm not saying my question is more pressing than yours, sorry.  I was saying that the next one is more important than my last question
[21:00] <ppe> I figured it out :D
[21:01] <gerro> NBrepresent: is it not automatically starting? or do you just want to reset it?
[21:01] <vidd> ok philphoto ask away
[21:01] <ppe> philphoto, I was merely using you to gain the attention of these here brains. Sorry to have dragged you into it.
[21:01] <ppe> :)
[21:01] <gerro> NBrepresent: ifdown link then ifup link works
[21:01] <NBrepresent> i just want to accomplish whatever unchecking and rechecking the modem's checkbox under the connection manager
[21:01] <philphoto> ppe: np
[21:01] <vidd> ppe i wasnt igging you....but i do have to pay the bills!
[21:02] <gerro> NBrepresent: yes but why do you want to do that because it doesn't automatically start the connection when it turns on?
[21:02] <ppe> vidd, I'm just amazed that you can do this sort of stuff while you work.
[21:02] <philphoto> vidd: or anyone else.  I'm fixing up an IBM T23 and the only time I hear a fan is during bios post.
[21:02] <gerro> NBrepresent: do ifconfig find the modem listing and do ifdown modem to turn it off then ifup modem
[21:02] <NBrepresent> well, the problem is that until i disabel and reenable the modem it reports 'modem is busy' when i try to connect
[21:02] <ppe> So no reason to explain yourself to a linux lowlife like me :)
[21:02] <vidd> im a tech rep for an internet company
[21:02] <uninvited> philphoto: hi again
[21:02] <NBrepresent> after doing this though, it works
[21:03] <uninvited> philphoto: did you speed up boot time ?
[21:03] <gerro> NBrepresent: hmm perhaps things aren't booting in the right order then
[21:03] <NBrepresent> yeah, maybe not
[21:03] <philphoto> is the PIII mobile architecture that efficient that I don't need the fan running?  I'm used to the P4 heaters
[21:03] <vidd> uninvited, he got this lappy (?) second-hand
[21:03] <philphoto> uninvited: boot = 47 seconds :)
[21:04]  * vidd has to go smoke now...be back in like 5
[21:04] <philphoto> uninvited: what machine do you run again?
[21:04] <gerro> NBrepresent: I want to play around with my modem more :D
[21:05] <uninvited> A31
[21:06] <philphoto> uninvited: ah right.  P-M cpu, right?
[21:06] <uninvited> Aye m8
[21:06] <philphoto> uninvited; did you see my last question regarding cpu fan?
[21:07] <uninvited> No...please repeat
[21:07] <gerro> NBrepresent: what speed your connection anyway?
[21:07] <philphoto> I'm fixing a T23 for mom & dad and the only time i hear a fan is at bios post.
[21:07] <NBrepresent> well, it's supposed to be 56k but i'm using crippled linuxant drivers for a conexant modem
[21:08] <philphoto> the fan works but even under a load there is no breeze coming from the machine
[21:08] <gerro> NBrepresent: oww those things are horrible I put them on aunts computer
[21:08] <philphoto> cpu is 1ghz PIIIm  so it's not a very hot chip like my P4's
[21:08] <gerro> NBrepresent: well here guide how setup local dns cache http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/02/local-dns-cache-for-faster-browsing/ and perhaps try adblock plus for firefox might help a bit. Some like privoxy though.
[21:09] <gerro> NBrepresent: there also some firefox options to not render lot of things except text and make pictures optional
[21:10] <gerro> NBrepresent: do you use one those minimal browsers?
[21:10] <NBrepresent> i'm not too concerned about the speed right now
[21:11] <NBrepresent> nope, firefox
[21:11] <NBrepresent> this isn't my comp, i'm just setting one up for my mum
[21:11] <NBrepresent> dialup on linux is a BITCH.
[21:12] <gerro> NBrepresent: you try swiftweasel some say its alright, custom compiled browser for older cpu sometimes help
[21:12] <uninvited> philphoto: ok, i can't find the problem with that :)
[21:14] <gerro> NBrepresent: how beefy is the comp anyway?
[21:14] <philphoto> uninvited:  I'm saying that I know the fan is functional as it works during post, but never moves while booted into xubuntu
[21:15] <uninvited> philphoto: well, it might not get hot enough.
[21:15]  * vidd is back
[21:15] <gerro> philphoto: what does acpi -t say the temperature is? does it not have thermal sensors?
[21:15] <philphoto> perhaps.  is a pIIIm that efficient?
[21:15] <gerro> philphoto: you could force the fan to run more if you want
[21:15] <vidd> isnt there a tool that lets you check cpu temp?
[21:15] <philphoto> gerro: no thermal sensors
[21:16] <gerro> vidd: yeah but he has no sensors :/
[21:16] <vidd> i just saw your last statement as i hit enter =\
[21:16] <gerro> vidd: do you mean one those pokey rod things some people use?
[21:16] <vidd> that might work too
[21:16] <vidd> =]
[21:16] <gerro> aren't those kind of expensive though
[21:16] <philphoto> the cpu has speed stepping & is usually down around 600mhz at idle
[21:17] <philphoto> i could stick my oven thermometer in there :)
[21:17] <gerro> wow 600mhz at idle??
[21:17] <vidd> if it has no temp sensor, then how does the fan know whn to turn off/on?
[21:17] <gerro> philphoto: long you don't try lick it fine by me :P
[21:17] <uninvited> philphoto: i guess you could check your BIOS for some place to deactivate stepping. I guess the fan would start working there.
[21:18] <philphoto> uninvited: true
[21:18] <gerro> vidd: I think it guesses based on workload some how but that sounds process consuming
[21:18]  * vidd would think no sensor = fan always on
[21:18] <philphoto> vidd: my T30 has no temp and the fan has different speeds.  i think based on cpu speed
[21:18] <gerro> maybe your sensor is busted rofl
[21:19] <vidd> that would cause it to not power up when it should....=]
[21:19] <gerro> only if bios supports that
[21:20] <philphoto> firing up t23
[21:20] <gerro> vidd: but I went to this college course once and half the work machines they used had thermal issues was annoying :/
[21:21] <gerro> false positives don't help much then
[21:23]  * vidd had a client that parked thier tower in front of the baseboard heat, and wondered why "all of a sudden" the machine just started powering off
[21:23] <philphoto> ha ha ha ha
[21:24] <gerro> speaking of weird bootups though.. my system is dual boot and I have to disable ipv6 and completely unplug it and power off before I start it up to ubuntu otherwise I can only go to google.com and few other sites. Now the graphics card won't startup direct rendering and goes into ubuntu safe mode
[21:24] <philphoto> gerro: ubuntu is jealous of your other OS   ;)
[21:25] <gerro> philphoto: think I need to disable ipv6 compatability stuff there because my integrated ethernet doesn't support it but no clue why graphics card doesn't work its nvidia 7300gs and worked before
[21:26] <gerro> the fully power off thing doesn't work for the video card
[21:27] <gerro> vidd: I once had someone put a small fridge by computer ya know refreshments while watching their movies or w/e and they had magnets all over it...heh
[21:27] <philphoto> gerro: I had stuff like that start happening about a month ago with my desktop machine and i just found out that my southbridge is dying.  I'm losing hardware on my mobo by the week and just fighting for a little more time until I can afford to build a new system.  OLD mobo
[21:28] <gerro> omg
[21:28] <vidd> gerro, lol
[21:28] <gerro> then my 250watt power supply can not handle the kickass graphics card and its short circuiting it
[21:28] <gerro> ???
[21:28] <gerro> but it still works under windows which I don't quite trust >,>
[21:32] <gerro> philphoto: I just built this new system ;_;
[21:33] <philphoto> if you haven't adequately powerd it, then you hvae your answer.
[21:34] <gerro> but wouldn't overpowering it damage it?
[21:34] <philphoto> oh no.
[21:34] <gerro> how does under powering mess it up
[21:34] <gerro> maybe if I remove the cdrom drive and underclock the cpu and graphics card?
[21:35] <philphoto> what hardware are you running?  how many hdds?  gc? opticals? cpu freq?
[21:35] <philphoto> you should always get a power supply that can supply MORE than you need
[21:36] <philphoto> that doesn't mean that it's stuffing 500 watts into your hardware all the time, it just means that the max power of the PS is available if needed
[21:36] <gerro> that nvidia card, 40gb hd, 3.8ghz single core intel cpu,
[21:37] <gerro> its a rather small system with some integrated things
[21:37] <philphoto> go to newegg.com & select power supplies then go through the hardware list of everything you're running 7 it will give you a figure of the minimum PS you should be running
[21:37] <gerro> brb I'm powering off until can get better power supply
[21:46] <NBrepresent> hey, i need to know how to replicate the behavioiur of a gui app from the command line
[21:47] <NBrepresent> specifically, the network-admin app in xubuntu
[21:47] <NBrepresent> i'd like to know how i can emulate checking and unchecking the boxes in the network admin box, from the command line
[21:48] <NBrepresent> is there a way to check to see what using that checkbox does?
[21:57] <vidd> what is the checkbox?
[21:58] <diabliyo> hi!
[21:58] <diabliyo> I problem in xubuntu
[21:58] <diabliyo> I'm form spain...xubuntu-es is bad help server
[21:59] <diabliyo> Hallo?
[22:00] <diabliyo> hi!!!!!!
[22:01] <not_chawson> hello, how do you run linux on xubuntu?
[22:02] <diabliyo> :(
[22:02] <diabliyo> I need help xubuntu
[22:02] <diabliyo> Suppot is bad =(
[22:03] <siggjen> you can't get support if you don't explain the problem
[22:04] <diabliyo> I can get compizfusion in Ubuntu, My System is: 1GB RAM, ATI Radeon 700/QE/VE, Pentium IV
[22:04] <diabliyo> xubuntu*
[22:04] <siggjen> i belive so
[22:23] <hackhalotwo> where can i find the key detection speed?
[22:23] <diabliyo> xubuntu is patetic :(
[22:24] <mindframe-> diabliyo, maybe you are the pathetic one... many find it very useful
[22:24] <hackhalotwo> i cant use Ubuntu
[22:24] <hackhalotwo> my laptop can't install it
[22:25] <siggjen> did you try the alternate install?
[22:25] <diabliyo> mindframe: Why @4% languaje!
[22:25] <hackhalotwo> yep
[22:25] <diabliyo> Im using now xubuntu
[22:25] <diabliyo> The web pages  i don't use...
[22:26] <diabliyo> Help Online in xubu is BAD o not exist
[22:26] <siggjen> had no problems on lenovo t60 and ancient compaq
[22:26] <diabliyo> =(
[22:26] <hackhalotwo> Dell Inspiron 1000
[22:26] <hackhalotwo> runs SO slow
[22:26] <hackhalotwo> (Ubuntu)
[22:27] <siggjen> well my compaq is having P3 700 and runs in decent speed
[22:27] <hackhalotwo> the disc runs like a snail
[22:30] <hackhalotwo> anyway, how doi get to the key detection speed settings?
[22:30] <hackhalotwo> mine is too low, so it skips keys
[22:32] <Guiri> I everyone. I'm attempting to install Xubuntu on a Dell Smartstep 100N. The regular Cd own't boot, and it gets only to the configure screen in safe video mode. I'm not sure what to do with the alternative CD.
[22:32] <Guiri> i'd appreciate any help.
[22:32] <hackhalotwo> Dells seem not to like Linux...
[22:32] <Guiri> maybe help me try some boot parameters? I'm not real sure.
[22:32] <hackhalotwo> i had the same probem
[22:33] <maxamillion> hackhalotwo: not true, i've had many dells run linux
[22:33] <maxamillion> hackhalotwo: dell and hp have some of the best linux support around as a matter of fact
[22:33] <hackhalotwo> ah
[22:33] <Guiri> any recommendations?
[22:33] <maxamillion> www.dell.com/linux
[22:33] <Guiri> it seems to be a video mode problem, but safe mode doesn't help
[22:33] <hackhalotwo> what about the old dells
[22:34] <maxamillion> ohhhh, no clue
[22:34] <maxamillion> i only work with hardware that is less than three years old
[22:34] <hackhalotwo> yea
[22:34] <hackhalotwo> Guiri, what year is your dell?
[22:34] <Guiri> Smartstep 100N cerca 2002
[22:34] <Guiri> it's an old one
[22:35] <hackhalotwo> yea, Inspiron cerca 2003
[22:35] <Guiri> my old inspiron 600m worked fine
[22:35] <Guiri> but this is a friend's POS
[22:35] <hackhalotwo> anywa, how did you burn th disc?
[22:36] <Guiri> hackhalotwo, the disk was MD5 checked
[22:36] <Guiri> it's fine.
[22:37] <hackhalotwo> CD-R, CD-RW, DVD+/-R, DVD+/-RW?
[22:37] <Guiri> CD-R
[22:37] <Guiri> boots fine until it tries to setup the Gnome desktop
[22:37] <Guiri> on the livecd
[22:37] <hackhalotwo> ok
[22:38] <Guiri> I'm trying fb=FALSE in the boot menu
[22:38] <Guiri> to see if that helps
[22:38] <TP-mvoltz> Guiri, you might want to try fluxbuntu
[22:38] <hackhalotwo> sure
[22:38] <michaelkyle> hi, i just installed xubuntu, but my desktop resolution its only 800x600 and i cant get it higher,,,what can i do?
[22:39] <michaelkyle> i want to set it to 1024x768
[22:39] <Guiri> thebear1331, thanks. I think Flux would be too difficult for this person, but I may ahve to.
[22:39] <hackhalotwo> desktop or laptop michaelkyle?
[22:40] <michaelkyle> desktop
[22:40] <siggjen> michaelkyle: i usually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and put "1024x768" in front of "800x600"
[22:40] <Guiri> Any idea how to install from the alterative CD?
[22:40] <hackhalotwo> I wouldn't know
[22:40] <michaelkyle> siggjen,  and what about the bits?
[22:40] <siggjen> Guiri: boot from cd and do as told on screen
[22:41] <siggjen> michaelkyle: you can do it on all the bits listed
[22:41] <Guiri> odd. it booted to a busybox command prmopt
[22:41] <hackhalotwo> the altCD threw me into a BIOS manager
[22:41] <hackhalotwo> how do you edit the xorg.conf file?
[22:41] <michaelkyle> so y just add 1024x768 and save? thats it?
[22:41] <siggjen> busybox command prompt sounds wrong, did you md5sum check the iso file before buring it?
[22:42] <Guiri> hackhalotwo, sudo gedit /etc/xorg.conf
[22:42] <siggjen> michaelkyle: yes, in the right section and place
[22:42] <Guiri> siggjen, I md5'd the main
[22:42] <Guiri> not the alt
[22:42] <siggjen> michaelkyle: i prefer vim
[22:42] <Guiri> it's showing the loading bar siggjen. we'll see what happens
[22:42] <hackhalotwo> i did that, no luck
[22:42] <Guiri> this laptop sseems to have some real graphics problems
[22:42] <michaelkyle> siggjen,  what is vim?
[22:42] <hackhalotwo> let me try again
[22:42] <Guiri> yep, just got the command prompt again
[22:42] <siggjen> michaelkyle: an editor
[22:43] <michaelkyle> i use mousepad
[22:43] <siggjen> michaelkyle: that should work too
[22:43] <michaelkyle> siggjen,  look, 1024x768 its already listed
[22:43] <siggjen> Guiri: can you md5sum the iso you downloaded?
[22:44] <siggjen> michaelkyle: are there any monitor sections with frequency settings?
[22:45] <michaelkyle> siggjen, where? in xorg.conf u mean?
[22:45] <siggjen> michaelkyle: yes
[22:46] <siggjen> well sorry i have to sleep now, too late for me already
[22:47] <michaelkyle> siggjen,  http://pastebin.com/d29a19e4b
[22:47] <michaelkyle> tell me what i have to edit there
[22:47] <michaelkyle> pls :)
[22:48] <hackhalotwo> the sudo gedit command didnt work
[22:48] <michaelkyle> hackhalotwo, try sudo mousepad instead of sudo gedit
[22:48] <hackhalotwo> ok
[22:49] <michaelkyle> siggjen, ? are u there?
[22:49] <hackhalotwo> it worked this time
[22:52] <michaelkyle> hackhalotwo,  because "gedit" its an editor of Gnome, and if u have xubuntu u have Xfce, the text editor of Xfce its Mousepad ;) so when someone gives u a command using "gedit" or "vim" or other, just change it to "mousepad" (when its a command to edit a file of course)
[23:12] <maxamillion> you can still use vim if you like ... that one is a command line editor
[23:20] <NBrepresent> hi, i'm trying to get a digital camera recognized in xubuntu
[23:20] <NBrepresent> any tips?
[23:21] <zoredache> buy a memory card reader instead?
[23:21] <NBrepresent> well i guess that would work yes
[23:22] <ron_o> I finally have come to the conclusion that Opera just sucks with flash on linux (maybe windows too) and they simply have abandoned support for it.
[23:22] <ron_o> I finally got opera to work with flash but not my video cuts out randomly.
[23:23] <ron_o> no wonder people don't use Opera that much.
[23:23] <ron_o> what gives?
[23:24] <hackhalotwo> now, where is the key detection speed settings in Xubuntu?
[23:26] <ron_o> ahh, settings >> keyboard ??
[23:29] <hackhalotwo> looked there, no luck
[23:30] <maxamillion> NBrepresent: install something like gThumb or F-Spot
[23:31] <NBrepresent> yeah, i just dl'd gthumb
[23:41] <maxamillion> NBrepresent: define "dl'd"
[23:41] <zoredache> downloaded...